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Yankees will be compensated for A-Rod

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Oct 31, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

In response to numerous e-mails from people, I double-checked with Brian Cashman today.

The Yankees do in fact have the right to offer Alex Rodriguez arbitration. Cashman said they would and that they would receive compensation in the form of draft picks.

“We want the picks,” he said in an e-mail.

If Scott Boras somehow accepted, A-Rod would get a one-year deal with a raise. That would certainly be OK with the Yankees. But there is little chance of that happening.

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103 Responses to “Yankees will be compensated for A-Rod”

  1. Mike October 31st, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    And because of this, we should all be praying for the Cubbies to sign him. The #16th pick in the draft would be awesome. But since he’s gonna end up in Anaheim, it looks like we’ll only get the pick before ours and a supplemental. With the way the Yanks are spending money in the draft lately, 3 1-1a round picks is going to be awesome.

  2. Brayden October 31st, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    watch one of those draft picks be better than arod in 5 years

  3. stuart October 31st, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    great news.. hopefully these picks will work out as well as the tom gordan picks did…

    build from within with selective FA signingswhen reasonable..

  4. Jamie October 31st, 2007 at 3:27 pm

    hey does anyone know where we can find the 2008 MLB Draft Order?

  5. sunny615 October 31st, 2007 at 3:29 pm

    How about the top 50 draftees – that would give us a better idea as to who’s available.

  6. Red Sox Fan October 31st, 2007 at 3:31 pm

    I’d rather have A-Rod thana 1st round pick and knowing Betemit is gonna get 500 at bats.

  7. whozat October 31st, 2007 at 3:33 pm

    The biggest thing that galls me is that he refused to let them trade him. The timing of his opt-out, and his refusal to even meet with them REALLY make me think that he knew he was going to leave. If he’d let them trade him, they could at least have gotten some near-MLB pieces – really good ones! – in return. Draft picks are good, but blue chip AA and AAA players are better, you know?

  8. J-Dawg October 31st, 2007 at 3:33 pm

    It’s great that the Yankees can be that well compensated for A-Rod’s departure and Cashman will definitely make great use of those picks.

    If Mark Cuban somehow became the owner of the Cubs, then Chicago would be A-Rod’s destination. I know that they already have Aramis Ramirez, but they would find some way to make it work. Cuban likes to make a big splash and what better way to make a splash than to sign A-Rod to a gargantuan and monster deal. With that being said, it is probably a moot point because Cuban will not be owning the Cubs unless some crazy things happen. Bud Selig has enough problems without having to worry about Cuban.

    Speaking of Cuban, his next move as Mavericks owner should be to trade Dirk Nowitzki. Dirk will put up big numbers, but when has he ever hit a big shot? In the clutch, he doesn’t even want the ball. They’ll never win a title with him.

  9. Bobcat October 31st, 2007 at 3:34 pm

    Baseball America’s “Sneak Peak” into the 2008 draft:

    DRAFT 2008: SNEAK PEEK
    Our first look at the top college and high school prospects for next year’s draft
    COLLEGE
    1. Pedro Alvarez, 3b, Vanderbilt
    2. Justin Smoak, 1b, South Carolina
    3. Aaron Shafer, rhp, Wichita State
    4. Jemile Weeks, 2b, Miami
    5. Brandon Crawford, ss, UCLA
    6. Jordan Danks, of, Texas
    7. Cody Satterwhite, rhp, Mississippi
    8. Brian Matusz, lhp, San Diego
    9. Shooter Hunt, rhp, Tulane
    10. Roger Kieschnick, of, Texas Tech
    HIGH SCHOOL
    1. Isaac Galloway, of, Los Osos HS (Rancho Cucamonga, Calif.)
    2. Aaron Hicks, of, Wilson HS (Long Beach)
    3. Eric Hosmer, 1b, American Heritage HS (Plantation, Fla.)
    4. Ethan Martin, 3b/rhp, Stephens County HS (Toccoa, Ga.)
    5. Jordan Cooper, rhp, Shawnee Heights HS (Tecumseh, Kan.)
    6. Casey Kelly, ss/of, Sarasota (Fla.) HS
    7. Michael Palazzone, rhp, Lassiter HS (Marietta, Ga.)
    8. Anthony Ferrara, lhp, Riverview (Fla.) HS
    9. Daniel Webb, rhp/1b, Heath HS (West Paducah, Ky.)
    10. Mark Ginther, ss, Jenks HS (Tulsa)

  10. Dave October 31st, 2007 at 3:35 pm

    Doesnt compensation depend on who signs him? And arent the first 15 picks protected, so if he signs with one of those clubs we get nada?

    Also, any word on how good next years crop is supposed to be? (in comparison to recent years that is)

  11. whozat October 31st, 2007 at 3:37 pm

    “Doesnt compensation depend on who signs him? And arent the first 15 picks protected, so if he signs with one of those clubs we get nada?”

    We get their second pick, I think. We don’t get nothing. Besides…is ARod REALLY going to sign with one of the bottom-half teams? Unless the ChiSox are down there, and even that’s a longshot.

  12. steve October 31st, 2007 at 3:39 pm

    dave if its a top 15 team i believe the yanks would get two sandwich picks instead of a 1st round and a sandwich pick

  13. murphydog October 31st, 2007 at 3:40 pm

    Bobcat: Thanks for the list.

    My ability to evaluate talent in baseball is very similar to my ability to evaluate talent in horse racing. I pick according to names. So, for my money, the Yankees gotta get Shooter Hunt, rhp, from Tulane and Justin Smoak (pronounced “smoke”?) 1b, from So. Carolina.

  14. Dave October 31st, 2007 at 3:41 pm

    Here is the draft order. He has been rumored to possibly be heading to at least 2 of the teams in the first 15. Especially that 15th one. Let’s hope not!

    1. Devil Rays (66-96)
    2. Pirates (68-94)
    3. Royals (69-93)
    4. Orioles (69-93)
    5. Giants (71-91)
    6. Marlins (71-91)
    7. Reds (72-90)
    8. White Sox (72-90)
    9. Nationals (73-89)
    10. Astros (73-89)
    11. Rangers (75-87)
    12. Athletics (76-86)
    13. Cardinals (78-84)
    14. Twins (79-83)
    15. Dodgers (82-80)

  15. Ben October 31st, 2007 at 3:47 pm

    In that case, I’m more than glad to see him go.

    Good riddance A-Rod

  16. DMan October 31st, 2007 at 3:48 pm

    Yankees would get a suplemental round draft pick.

    Those come after the first round, but before the second starts.

  17. YankeeDudel October 31st, 2007 at 3:48 pm

    Forget sandwich picks. At this point I would take an actual sandwich for A-Rod.

  18. Carmine October 31st, 2007 at 3:49 pm

    And remember, sandwich picks are not always a bad deal. Joba was a sandwich pick in the 2006 draft after we took Ian Kennedy in the first round. Thanks to Gordon and the Phillies.

  19. Carmine October 31st, 2007 at 3:49 pm

    Yeah, I could go for a roast beef sandwich myself.

  20. Ed October 31st, 2007 at 3:49 pm

    Top 75
    http://www.projectprospect.com.....5-fosters/

  21. VOIII October 31st, 2007 at 3:50 pm

    The Yankee will get a 1st and a sandwich if a bottom 15 signs A-Rod or a 2nd and a sandwich if a top 15 signs him. either way the sandwich pick will be between 1st and 2nd rounds. This will also apply to MO and Posada should they sign with someone else. It is possible that the Yankees could have 8 picks in the to 65 or so. This would be a tremendous boost to an already promising farm system. If I am Brian Cashman this would be something to seriously consider going into the Free Agency signing period.

  22. Ed October 31st, 2007 at 3:51 pm

    http://www.projectprospect.com.....ngs-10107/

  23. raymagnetic October 31st, 2007 at 3:51 pm

    Red Sox Fan – Would you rather have Pedro Martinez, or Clay Buchholz?

  24. rbj October 31st, 2007 at 3:52 pm

    Hmm, roast beef for a ham & cheese on whine.
    Sounds good to me.

  25. Carmine October 31st, 2007 at 3:53 pm

    You know, I just read Moneyball and after losing Giambi, Damon, and Isringhausen after 2001, the A’s had 7 picks between the first and supplemental rounds(1 of their own and 2 each from their free agent departures). Only 2 of the 7 have meant anything to the team as of 5 years later, but those 2 were Blanton and Swisher, so not too bad. I mean, I really hope we can keep Mo and Posada, but absolute worst-case scenario(also assuming we didn’t sign any free agents), we’d have the same scenario as the A’s. Again though, I’d prefer to keep Mo and Posada.

  26. Kill-Schill(ing) October 31st, 2007 at 3:54 pm

    Pete, any knowledge of the rule change on how many picks the Yankees receive and where they receive them.

    Under the new rules, I belive, MLB classifies free-agents as type A, B, or C to determine if a team receives draft picks and how many they receive.

    BTW, I’m still not convinced the Yankees and A-Rod are done. You mean to tell me the Yankees are going to refuse him, if he returns to the Yankees and offers his service for $30 million less than the highest bidder– the value of the Rangers subsidy, the Yankees are going to spurn him.

    This nonesense about the Yankees losing credibility with free-agents is just that. The Yankees ultimatum only applied to the limited circumstances of a player with an opt-out clause. Fortunately, very MLB player, mostly Boras clients, have opt-out clauses. And something tells me the Yankees won’t be agreeing to any opt-out clauses with any player for the forseeable future.

  27. BryanK October 31st, 2007 at 3:54 pm

    Everyone would rather have A-Rod, but there isn’t a choice that management could make to have this happen. Let’s enjoy our two picks and more on to other offseason activity.

  28. VOIII October 31st, 2007 at 3:56 pm

    ED,
    Any Top prospect list that has Clay Bucholz over Joba is not worth linking to any thread.

  29. Carmine October 31st, 2007 at 3:56 pm

    Yeah, A-Rod is most certainly a Type A free agent. Mo and Posada are as well. I’m not sure how exactly they judge who’s who, but those three are definitely Type A’s. It’s basically their leaving has a major impact on the team. Type B’s net just a supplemental pick, I believe but no first round from the team who signs the player. Not sure about Type C’s.

  30. Wiggum Fan October 31st, 2007 at 3:58 pm

    Kill-Schill(ing)

    The 2006 CBA changed the draft pick compensation for free agents substantially, including the elimination of “Type C” free agents. The current compensation system is as follows:

    If a free agent is offered arbitration by Team 1 and instead signs with Team 2, then Team 1 may receive some form of compensation. The compensation is determined by the player – free agents are categorized as Type A, Type B, or nothing at all, and the players are ranked within these categories.

    If the free agent is Type B, Team 1 receives what is known as a “sandwich pick” in the following year’s amateur player draft. After round 1 (30 selections) in the draft, Team 1 will receive an extra pick. For more info on sandwich picks, please see the section on the amateur draft.

    If the free agent is Type A, then:

    * If Team 2 has one of the last fifteen draft picks in round 1, Team 1 will receive Team 2′s first round draft pick and a sandwich pick after the first round of the draft.

    * If Team 2 has one of the first fifteen draft picks in round 1, that pick is protected, and Team 1 would instead receive Team 2′s second round pick and a sandwich pick after the first round of the draft.

    * If Team 2 signs two Type A free agents, one from Team 1 and one from another team, the team whose free agent ranks highest by major league baseball would receive Team 2′s first round pick (or second round pick if the first round pick is protected), and the other team would receive Team 2′s pick for the second round (or third round if the first pick is protected). Both teams would still receive a sandwich pick after the first round.

    * Once a team has acquired a draft pick by losing a Type A free agent, it cannot lose said pick by signing other Type A free agents; the only picks a team may lose are the ones which it had before the free agency period began.

  31. Steve M October 31st, 2007 at 3:58 pm

    The thing about the A’s with all those draft picks is that they didn’t have the money to sign the highly regarding first round talent. So they went with swisher who they paid alot for and then found people who usually wouldve fallen to the 3-12th rounds and drafted them early negotiating a cheaper signing bonus for them…..if we had those picks we would turn them into studs

  32. Bobcat October 31st, 2007 at 3:59 pm

    WFAN has Mike Brerardino, writer for South Florida Sun-Sentinal. He thinks that Miguel Cabrera would be a “guy that Joe (Girardi) would stay away from.”

  33. B October 31st, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    http://stlcardinals.scout.com/2/583281.html

    Here’s how the new compensation system works:

    - If A-Rod signs with a team with a Top 15 pick we get: Second Round pick plus Sandwich pick after the First Round
    - If A-Rod signs with a team without a Top 15 pick we get: First Round pick plus Sandwich pick

  34. VOIII October 31st, 2007 at 4:02 pm

    Carmine,
    The difference is in the way the Yankees have been drafting. The A’s factor in signability. The Yankees don’t, They are more agressive because their purse strings allow it. It is possible for the Yankees to come away with 3 or 4 stars out of those picks…Unfortunately it is also possible they could end up with another Brien Taylor…

  35. Wiggum Fan October 31st, 2007 at 4:03 pm

    Carmine –
    Great point about the A’s drafts. There is no guarantee that a pick will work out, remember Brien Taylor?

    It is a tough call for Cashman. He can let Mariano, Abreu, ARod and Posada go and get A TON of picks. That is probably around 10 picks, if you include the Yankees. Don’t forget about Abreu in all this. If those 4 go,and then you assume Pettitte doesn’t come back, that’s over $50 off the books. They Yankees would offer arbitration to Pettitte and if someone (like the Astros) makes him an offer he can’t refuse, more picks for the Yankees.

    Then next year Pavano, Farnsworth and Giambi are off the books.

    Within 2 years, the Yankees can reduce their payroll in almost in half (my guess, not using numbers).

    And keep in mind, Cashman has said that he will take high risk/high reward draft picks AND draft picks that are not easily signable.

  36. VOIII October 31st, 2007 at 4:04 pm

    I would think all three of the Yankees big three are TYPE A.

  37. Matt October 31st, 2007 at 4:05 pm

    Being able to get a first round pick or a sandwich pick for the loss of Arod is going to be great, considering how great the prospects have been the past couple of year…expecially those from losing players.

    If im not mistaken, in 2004 Yanks landed Hughes from losing Pettitte and in 2006 yanks landed Chamberlain from losing Gordon…2008 lets continue this trend.

  38. VOIII October 31st, 2007 at 4:06 pm

    I wonder if the “Viz” can qualify as a type B

  39. whozat October 31st, 2007 at 4:07 pm

    “BTW, I’m still not convinced the Yankees and A-Rod are done. You mean to tell me the Yankees are going to refuse him, if he returns to the Yankees and offers his service for $30 million less than the highest bidder– the value of the Rangers subsidy, the Yankees are going to spurn him.”

    There’s just so much drama, and I’m sure that this most recent thing will have impacted his standing in the clubhouse. And, frankly, given Boras’ penchant for wringing the last $$ out of deals, I don’t expect the ARod drama to play out soon. I’m pretty sure I don’t want the Yanks to still be figuring out their 3B situation several months from now. If one of the other decent options (Lowell, perhaps Crede, maybe someone via trade) can be got sooner, I’d rather have them square that away and then focus on other areas (bullpen, 1b, a hole in CF that might be created by a Santana deal, and what to do about their glut of DHes.)

  40. VOIII October 31st, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    Wiggum,
    The 2 of us coming up with Brien Taylor at the same time, Scary…

  41. Brian - So Cal Yankee Fan October 31st, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    A couple of “sandwiches” is better than a sharp stick in the eye!!! 8)

  42. Global Warming October 31st, 2007 at 4:09 pm

    Stay away from young Sheff in Miguel Cabrera.

    He’s lazy, doesn’t stay in shape, and has said he wouldn’t want to go the Yankees because of the rules.

    There’s also reports of him not getting along with the strict Giardi, not surprising really.

    Is this someone you want to trade the house for and eventually sign longterm for mucho dinero?

  43. whozat October 31st, 2007 at 4:10 pm

    “that’s over $50 off the books”

    I know you mean $50 million, but if it was fifty bucks, and we were excited about it…that’d be hilarious to me:-)

  44. whozat October 31st, 2007 at 4:12 pm

    “2006 yanks landed Chamberlain from losing Gordon”

    Kennedy too.

    Their 1st round pick went to someone else for someone. I dunno who. Who’d they sign after 2005? Maybe the Braves for Kyle, or something?

  45. deanNY October 31st, 2007 at 4:13 pm

    Pete
    Writer from Sun Sentinel on WFAN says you might be in for a boring year with Joe G. Speaks intelligently and in soundbites but he was no fun to be around. Only 6 media members followed the team, and he never addressed anyone by name and told the same stories repeatedly as if he was rehearsing them. They finally started to tell him they had heard it before.

    Better news for the fans was that most of the young players loved him. He did however have a problem with a few players, one of which was Cabrera. The writers take was if Cabrera and Girardi reunited in NY, neither would be that thrilled to see each other. He said not fair to stick him with the label that he kills young pitchers but he did make some very questionable moves with 1 young pitcher in particular that had no prior history of arm issues before Joe got him.

  46. Bobby Meachem's back, babeeee October 31st, 2007 at 4:14 pm

    We’ve come a long way since the days of Brien Taylor, folks. Those were the days when “player development” meant “trade for Ken Phelps.” We can make draft picks matter a lot more now.

  47. sunny615 October 31st, 2007 at 4:15 pm

    The way the Yankeees draft, a sandwich pick or second round pick is not horrible. Cash and Oppenhiemer always go with the high ceiling/high risk draft – basically the *best* guy available no matter what (high bonus demand, injury, etc). Brackman is a great example of that. Hadn’t even thrown a pitch and already saw the surgery table. The Yanks will get someone good no matter who arod signs with.

  48. 56Bomber October 31st, 2007 at 4:16 pm

    “BTW, I’m still not convinced the Yankees and A-Rod are done. You mean to tell me the Yankees are going to refuse him, if he returns to the Yankees and offers his service for $30 million less than the highest bidder– the value of the Rangers subsidy, the Yankees are going to spurn him. ”

    I don’t see this happening. The Yankees original offer of $231M over 8 years would now become $210 over 8 years as the $21M from Texas is history. I don’t think they’d budge off of that amount – at least I hope they don’t.

  49. kd October 31st, 2007 at 4:16 pm

    arod not signing is a blessing in disguise. i don’t think it’s boras at all, he’s lost to cashman before. boras wanted 7 years for damon, cashman said 4 and that’s what it was. arod makes the calls, he just didn’t want to play for the yankees. now we get two picks for a great hitter. watch them turn into the next lefty ace and shut down closer. in five years we’re all going to be looking back on this day as a glorious time in yankee history and still posting to this blog.

  50. whozat October 31st, 2007 at 4:17 pm

    “Is this someone you want to trade the house for and eventually sign longterm for mucho dinero?”

    *snap snap*

    The Twins need a new CF too, and they LOVE cheap players…Ian, Melky, and Horne, I’m telling you…

    Contingent upon johan signing an extension, of course.

  51. Laura October 31st, 2007 at 4:18 pm

    I’ve changed my mind. I don’t want Cabrera. Any guy that cares that little about himself and how he performs his job (by packing on the weight) is lacking in character.

  52. jon October 31st, 2007 at 4:18 pm

    There’s a chance that Viz could even sneak in as a type A.

    Why are you even talking about letting Mo and Posada walk to get the draft picks?

    Why would any team trade for, let alone give up “blue chip” prospects, to get ARod knowing he could opt out a few days later. Unless you’re talking about during the season – in which case you’re proposing that we should have given up on 2007 in July or August?

  53. Kill-Schill(ing) October 31st, 2007 at 4:18 pm

    Thanks Chief Wiggum. Very informative and thorough.

  54. Global Warming October 31st, 2007 at 4:23 pm

    ““Is this someone you want to trade the house for and eventually sign longterm for mucho dinero?”

    *snap snap*

    The Twins need a new CF too, and they LOVE cheap players…Ian, Melky, and Horne, I’m telling you…

    Contingent upon johan signing an extension, of course.”

    What I’d give for that to happen…

  55. saucy October 31st, 2007 at 4:26 pm

    what kind of angers me is that the Socks are probably going to get some picks for Gagne. i could be wrong, but at least i think they will.

  56. deanNY October 31st, 2007 at 4:27 pm

    Robbie Cano might end up friendless this year

    No A-Rod
    No Bowa
    and possibly
    No Melky

    Time for Verducci to write The Loneliest Yankee Part 2

  57. SJ44 October 31st, 2007 at 4:28 pm

    They left off Yonder Alonso from the University of Miami on that list.

    He was the best power hitter in the Cape this summer.

    A first baseman, who is also excellent defensively. He is a stud.

    LH hitter with a lot of power.

    I’d love to see him fall in the draft (due to signability issues) to the Yankees. He can really play.

    I wouldn’t get too caught up in what Mike Beradino has to say. I know Mike pretty well and he gauges whichever way the wind blows then bases that as his opinion.

    I think its comical that everyone expects Girardi to act the same way he did in Florida. The guy was lied to from Day One with the Marlins. He had to deal with “unnamed” (ie: the President of the team) sources ripping him and second guessing everything he did each day. He said nothing, sucked it up, and did his job.

    Yet, like that Cleveland Indians team in Major League I, they kept winning! Almost to the chagrin of the Marlins!

    I’m sure Girardi learned a lot from that experience and I expect him to apply what he learned to his new job. He’s no dummy.

    He also knows most of the writers/columnists in NY, which makes the transition easier.

    He’s not going to be Joe Torre, spinning wonderful yarns to the media everyday.

    However, as fans, do we really care about that? I don’t (no offense, Pete! lol).

    I want a guy prepared, who has his team that plays hard from Day One, no excuses, no backdown from anybody, and looks to win everyday. If he does that and is boring with the media, who cares?

  58. Global Warming October 31st, 2007 at 4:29 pm

    What do you guys think of Alexei Ramirez? IFA from Cuba.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3026151

    Wouldn’t be surprised if the Yankees made a good run at him.

  59. whozat October 31st, 2007 at 4:33 pm

    “Unless you’re talking about during the season – in which case you’re proposing that we should have given up on 2007 in July or August?”

    I was talking about during or before the season, yes. More before. I mean…you’re going to tell me that having a great year and getting lots of fan love this season is what made him choose to leave? He knew already.

  60. E-ROC October 31st, 2007 at 4:33 pm

    Maybe we’ll find a Joba, Hughes, IPK or maybe a Ryan Braun in next year’s draft.

  61. saucy October 31st, 2007 at 4:33 pm

    “Yonder Alonso”

    i’m sure murphydog would approve…

  62. J-Dawg October 31st, 2007 at 4:34 pm

    The best-case scenario for the Yankees in a Miguel Cabrera trade is that he finally grows up and decides to work hard. Maybe a change of scenery is what it takes to get him going. He probably doesn’t like the Yankees ‘rules’ and ideals, but he doesn’t know what it’s like because he has never been here. He needs a kick in the butt and for someone to make him realize just how talented that he is and how he is wasting it away between trips to Dunkin’ Donuts. If he gets traded and messes up that chance, it may be one of the last that he ever gets. If Cabrera continues to be lazy and a problem with his managers, it may not be long until nobody wants to put up with him. Miguel Cabrera, it’s time to grow up and show some maturity. IF he is willing to lose some weight and change his attitude, he would be a perfect target for the Yankees.

  63. ~Adam. October 31st, 2007 at 4:35 pm

    Everyone is freaking out about AROD leaving. And to make it worse they are SO thinking inside the box. There are third basemen perhaps all over the world. Don’t rule out a Japanese player or a Cuban player, or the Yankees finding a gem in someone else’s farm system. We have other guys to trade besides our top three young pitchers too. The Yankees are the Yankees for a reason. They’re going to feild a good team next year and they have a fresh start with a fresh manager who doesn’t have any favorites yet. I’m looking forward to the new Yankees. We have a good young pitching staff and whenever you have that, you’re in pretty good shape.

  64. Migames October 31st, 2007 at 4:37 pm

    happy halloween, i sight that will make you scream:
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....nt.19.html

  65. SJ44 October 31st, 2007 at 4:39 pm

    I don’t see Miguel Cabrera in NY for one reason. I don’t see the Marlins doing anything to make Joe Girardi’s life better in NY.

    I also don’t see the Yankees giving up any of their “Big 3 arms (Joba, Hughes and Kennedy) for him.

    I watch Cabrera every day. He’s a great player. He’s also 260 pounds. When he hit the HR off Roger Clemens in the ’03 WS, he was 185 pounds.

    That’s a 75 pound weight gain in 4 years. That would scare the daylights out of me if I was a GM with a team.

  66. sunny615 October 31st, 2007 at 4:39 pm

    The way that Gag-me pitched, he’s more than likely not going to be a type A free agent. I would be shocked if he was.

  67. deanNY October 31st, 2007 at 4:41 pm

    SJ44
    Girardi might have learned from the experience but I think how the media perceives a manager does impact what is written about them and does impact the microscope both they and the team is put under. Small things in NY get magnified in a way they never would in Miami.

    I would also find it odd if I interacted with someone for 180 days a year and they never called me by name.

  68. SJ44 October 31st, 2007 at 4:41 pm

    Joe Girardi is going to be on Michael Kay’s show (ESPN 1050 in NY) at 5 pm eastern time.

    First one on one interview since he got the job. Should be interesting.

  69. J-Dawg October 31st, 2007 at 4:43 pm

    SJ44- It’s pathetic and actually kind of sad to see someone with the talent level of Cabrera just throwing it all away. The guy could be so much more. Basically the only chance that you have to get him for something cheap would be if the Marlins are absolutely beyond sick of him enough to part with him for very little. In other words, no chance.

  70. SJ44 October 31st, 2007 at 4:43 pm

    Who cares how the media perceives the manager. You don’t hire a manager based on that.

    Buck Showalter wasn’t chummy with the media but he got job done in NY.

    Its a working relationship. Its not about being buddies with the media.

    Joe Torre never called people by name until they put in a few years on the beat. Girardi was only with the Marlins for a year. Perhaps, he was following the Torre Doctrine.

  71. stuart October 31st, 2007 at 4:44 pm

    SJ you are on fire… The bottom line on Girardi is he is smart.. these writers like mike and the maddog the ylike guys who are NICE to them. whatever that means….

    Girardi is a smart prepared guy….he and cashman both agree with the less superstar more well balanced team approach.

    I am oldet then most posters but thinking about it thru many many years the yanks have signed tons of big names from reggie, to winfield, etc. but really the only signing that led to rings is Reggie…

    all the other signings did not lead to any rings… the late 70′s teams had many players from trades; nettles, figueroa, rivers, etc.

    the torre teams had home grown and then the tino trade, tanton trade, and a few others…

    signing these guys NEVER EVER WORK OUT.. Can;t you all see that?????

  72. whozat October 31st, 2007 at 4:47 pm

    “I want a guy prepared, who has his team that plays hard from Day One, no excuses, no backdown from anybody, and looks to win everyday.”

    The Yankees have had that for years. If Girardi can keep that going, good. I’ve heard he rubbed some of the vets the wrong way in 05 as bench coach by trying to change the way they go about things. Hopefully that was bums like Sheff and not guys that are still around, and/or he’ll take a bit of a lighter approach with guys who’ve got a routine that’s been working for them for a long time.

    Last season, the Yanks played their best ball when they were relaxed. They played hard, but had fun playing ball for the whole second half. That immediately changed when they hit the playoffs. Hopefully Joe G can keep them having fun playing hard through the whole season and into the playoffs, instead of letting them succumb to the idiotic “world series or you’re TERRIBLE” mentality.

  73. SJ44 October 31st, 2007 at 4:48 pm

    I see Cabrera and I see a cross between Manny and Arod from a hitting standpoint.

    Go back to 2003. Clemens knocks him on his butt and, on the next pitch, he hits a HR. He was only 19 years old!

    Its just amazing to see what he looks like now.

    Ozzie Guillen, his countryman, actually took him out to dinner (he was the bench coach on the ’03 Marlins) and read him the riot act over how he looked and told him he was throwing his career away.

    He also routinely showed up 90 minutes prior to gametime this year. It finally drew a one game suspension from the team.

    You really hope the kid gets it together because he is amazing with the bat in his hands.

    Who knows, maybe a Pena-Girardi, good cop/bad cop deal would help him.

    I just don’t see the Marlins doing anything to help Girardi in NY.

  74. pat October 31st, 2007 at 4:48 pm

    Stuart
    The early Torre teams had pitching good enough to keep the score down so that multiple base hits rather than multiple 3 run homeruns were needed to win the game.

  75. J-Dawg October 31st, 2007 at 4:48 pm

    One more name from outside of baseball who isn’t friendly with the media- Bob Knight. As in three-time national champion, all-time winningest coach Bob Knight. You think that it bothers Texas Tech’s administration that Knight struggles with the media? NO. They love Bob at Texas Tech. It’s going to be the same way with Girardi and the Yankees. Nobody is worried about his media relationship at all. Just win ballgames and championships, and we will all be perfectly happy with that.

  76. B October 31st, 2007 at 4:52 pm

    Here’s a scouting report I found on Yonder Alonso:

    “Alonso earns the role of top prospect mainly on default, as the league’s higher-ceilinged athletes failed to impress. Alonso, on the other hand, hit from the day he joined Brewster and never looked back. Coaches love Alonso’s approach at the plate, probably the best in the league in years, as he draws a lot of walks and never gets cheated. He’ll struggle a bit against southpaws, but few expect it to be a long-standing problem. Alonso is agile enough to check in as average at first base, though he lacks the soft hands that scouts love. Alonso should be a first-round pick next June because he’ll always post a high average and OBP, but whether he has a future hitting 20 or 30 homers will dictate how high.”

  77. whozat October 31st, 2007 at 4:53 pm

    “We have a good young pitching staff and whenever you have that, you’re in pretty good shape.”

    Slow down…we have a promising young pitching staff. None of these guys have more than what, 80 IP at the major league level? Ian, Phil and Joba are all very promising, but they WILL each struggle at some point next season. Joba and Hughes will also not be allowed to throw more than about 160 innings next season — or, they shouldn’t be, given their load this season. So, these guys are very promising, and could very well be a fabulous 1-2-3 for the next ten years, but they aren’t yet.

  78. SJ44 October 31st, 2007 at 4:53 pm

    If folks are looking for Yankee information from Mike and the Mad Dog, just change the dial. They know nothing.

    Its 5 hours of speculation, with each guy saying, “good idea” when they come up with something that interests them.

    If you are looking for Yankee info, listen to Kay’s show. He has better sources and actually uses them.

    Yes, he can be a “team” guy (after all, he is employed by the YES Network), but at least you get reliable info.

    He was 100% on with the managerial stuff. While Fatso and Fruit Loops were saying Mattingly was “in”, from Day One, Kay said that Mattingly was not only not guaranteed the Yankee job (which Mattingly HIMSELF confirmed yesterday), but that Girardi blew everybody away in his interview and was the likely hire.

    Mike and the Mad Dog just mail in their shows each day. They offer ZERO in terms of real, fact based info on anything. Especially the Yankees.

  79. Drive 4-5 October 31st, 2007 at 4:55 pm

    Not to sound stupid, but if being discilpined and well prepared was all it took to be a successful manager why is Buck Showalter unemployed and seemingly unemployable?

  80. Drive 4-5 October 31st, 2007 at 4:57 pm

    pardon my typos..I’m a terrible hunt and pecker.

  81. whozat October 31st, 2007 at 4:58 pm

    “Who knows, maybe a Pena-Girardi, good cop/bad cop deal would help him.”

    I just don’t see dealing several good young players for a guy who, if they can’t reach him, becomes a 26 year old DH just because he’s too lazy to be anything more. Besides…another DH is the last thing the Yanks need. If they re-sign Jorge to a 3 year deal, he’ll be needing to DH a lot by the end of that. One of Matsui or Damon will be DHing a lot of the time as soon as Jason’s gone.

  82. stuart October 31st, 2007 at 4:58 pm

    girardi and Kinght no comparison personality wise. girardi may be all business and not warm and cuddly but bobby knight is a assh le…

    big difference girardi is still a gentlemaen….

    showalter had a successful managing career also…

  83. Sherri October 31st, 2007 at 4:59 pm

    Someone just sent me this: http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse.....rodriguez/

  84. ~Adam. October 31st, 2007 at 5:05 pm

    Bob Knight comparisons are way wrong. I know I grew up with Bob Knight in Indiana. No comparison, Girardi was, to say the least, polite in his phone interviews. Bob Knight would’ve broken the phone or thrown it across the room after the third question. All Bob Knight ever dealt with was a small college town media. It’s no secret Bob Knight and Tony LaRusa are good friends. If either was a coach in NY, they’d need the National Guard to keep everything cool at the press conferences.

  85. ~Adam. October 31st, 2007 at 5:07 pm

    whozat- granted they’re unproven. But clearly, they’re good, or at least everyone in baseball is wrong. If they turn out to be busts, Cashman should get the blame. Otherwise, you gotta be excited about the next decade.

  86. jyjjy October 31st, 2007 at 5:12 pm

    “The way that Gag-me pitched, he’s more than likely not going to be a type A free agent. I would be shocked if he was.”

    Despite Gagne’s collapse with Boston his overall numbers for the year are still fairly respectable; 3.81 ERA, a K per inning, 16 saves…
    However he basically didn’t pitch in 06 and I believe the classification is based on the last 2 seasons. I’m not sure if they compare the player with the other free agents but he would probably end up a type A if they do. The pitching in this free agent class is really ugly.

  87. JonMichel October 31st, 2007 at 5:25 pm

    Don’t the Yanks also get compensated for Torre as well.

  88. J-Dawg October 31st, 2007 at 5:31 pm

    Folks, I just like to think outside the box that’s all. My point was that nobody is asking Girardi to be a saint, just like no one asks Knight to be a saint. You may get wacky suggestions and points from me sometimes but I just enjoy being on here with all of you and I’ll never put any of you down.

  89. Chris Serico October 31st, 2007 at 5:55 pm

    No pressure on the players who represent these draft picks in lieu of A-Rod; for these players’ careers, critics might unfairly expect them to justify at least $21 million worth of salary.

  90. Wiggum Fan October 31st, 2007 at 5:57 pm

    Anytime Ozzie Guilien is involved, you know the results will be a disaster. So Ozzie talks to Cabrera, 4 years later 75 lbs. And Ozzie is not from any country I have ever heard of, he’s out there.

    Good catch on Viz possible being a Type A free agent. I think he should come back.

    I don’t see the Twins trading Santana. With a new stadium on the horizon, they can’t alienate their fan base anymore.

    What’s wrong with Ken Phelps? He’s still around, he changed his name to Jason Giambi.

    Michael Kay is a hack. I enjoyed him when he was on the radio with Sterling (I am sooo old). Now, they both just grate on me. YES needs to bring in play-by-play person and not Kay. Too many stories, (often not relevant), and he gives the impression that he is “one of the boys.” Better than Joe Morgan though.

  91. Carmine October 31st, 2007 at 6:13 pm

    To defend my earlier comment, I wasn’t knocking the A’s draft. I obviously understand the way Billy Beane was working at the time(though their payroll this year was pretty middle of the league rather than bottom of the barrel). I meant to emphasize that Swisher and Blanton were two good additions for their team. Swisher is a solid young hitter and Blanton’s very good.

  92. yomas October 31st, 2007 at 7:53 pm

    Florida will want Joba or Phil, Melky, and another prospect for Miggy. Why would the Yanks want that deal? He is headed for 1st base within 2 years and will be the next Fielder in girth. After next year, we may have Texiera at first anyway since we know Boras is taking him to free agency.

    Also Hal said tranisition for a reason. 2008 may not be up to standard for the product that we are accustomed to seeing but that’s because the 2008 class is weak. However you free up 100 mil, in 2009 you have the following free agents to go after if they don’t sign an extension with their current teams: Santana, Peavy, Sabathia, Sheets, Burnett, Texiera, Vlad (possible dh), KRod, Nathan, Crawford. The following year free agent class is not bad at all either I might add.

    With 100 mil saved in those 2 years, I think you will see 1 or 2 of the pitchers signed to go with the big 3. You will see tex and/or crawford. Also if you are going to make a free agent splash, why not do it all in the same year because draft pick compensation is not rolled over into the next year. The yanks have drafted so many live arms and signed so many IFA’s that they can take a year off to develop those kids as well.

  93. Wiggum Fan October 31st, 2007 at 8:27 pm

    Don’t forget, the lower the Yankees payroll, less in luxury tax/revenue sharing. If they don’t spend the money, the less they help other teams.

    And they can count construction of the new stadium against the formula for sharing. So they will really hurt other team if they lower payroll.

    In 2006, the Yankees contributed $77 million (that’s what I found anyway) towards revenue sharing. Money to help others. Drop payroll, add in the stadium deducts and that number might be closer to $35 million (not $50 bucks as one of my last posts. I am guessing on the $35 million.

  94. yomas October 31st, 2007 at 8:35 pm

    well for the 2009 season the threshold will be 170 mil so when they sign those free agents, the yanks won’t be hit like they have been. also i also heard that mlb because of its revenue sharing plan made so much money that next year all teams will be getting 30 mil (including the yanks).. does anyone know if that is true?

  95. Master Wangkee October 31st, 2007 at 9:23 pm

    My take on Arod’s interview with WFAN in spring training was that he had a chance to play for “like 5-6 other teams”. He rejected a trade because he knew he would be opting out and didn’t want to add another team to his growing team hopping list. He’d rather secure his reputation than let the Yankees be justly compensated. Sure, it’s his right, but it still stinks.

  96. Patrick Bateman October 31st, 2007 at 9:37 pm

    Peavy, Vlad, Crawford all have cheap options for 2009, they will all be picked up.

  97. Wiggum Fan October 31st, 2007 at 9:42 pm

    yomas – I hadn’t heard that and when I did a quick google of the revenue sharing, nothing like that came up.

    It is in the CBA but there is no way I am going to read through that. I (almost) would rather read Schilling’s blog.

    On a side note, I think Schilling should go to the Mets. He would be able to tutor the young anchors of the staff… Pedro and El Duque.

  98. Rob October 31st, 2007 at 10:26 pm

    Thanks Pete!

  99. rankdog October 31st, 2007 at 11:42 pm

    I don’t believe they will have to pay the luxury tax in 2009 because they are funding the new stadium.

  100. Wiggum Fan November 1st, 2007 at 6:40 am

    mlbtraderumors.com has the free agent rankings. Viz is a Type B.

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