Cashman: The Yankees need Pettitte
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 05, 2007 
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“Obviously we want Andy to stay with the Yanks and pitch for us in ’08,†Brian Cashman said a few minutes ago. “In fact I’d say I need him to. He’s an important piece for us.â€
Cashman spoke to Pettitte for approximately 15 minutes and told him the Yankees would give him time to decide. The $16 million deal remains on the table. But as Cashman builds his roster, he will need a decision sometime in the next two months.
“We’ll have to talk about that,†Cashman said. “Right now, believe me, I understand where he’s coming from. We’ll wait.â€
Direct from the lobby of the hotel, here is Cashman talking about Andy Pettitte’s decision to decline his option for 2008:
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Worst case, where do they go if he retires? do you go with Kennedy, Joba, Moose, Wang, and Hughes, or trade for someone?
whatever, yanks are crumbling house of cards now.
If he does retire (hopefully not!)- gotta trade for someone. Can’t have a rotation with no lefty starter if you’re the Yankees. And Igawa does not qualify as a lefty starter!
Yuck, even typing the word Igawa with regard to the rotation, just makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth. Pleeeease come back, Andy!!!
trying hard to avoid that sinking feeling. really really really want andy back next year…
pete, do you have andy’s address? we should start a letter writing campaign.
Cumberberg – That’s actually not a half-bad idea!
He’ll be back.
chicago dave — i have one good idea a day, so if you like that one, i’ve hit my quota!
Now if Pete would only publish his address…
Pettitte is class.
Plain and simple.
Cumberberg-Pete’ll let Hendricks know & 46 can read it for himself here.
I’ll always root for laundry, but the Mgmt’s report card to fans is looking lousy going into WinterMtgs if Andy does anything else but re-up.
I’m definitely down for the letter-writing campaign. I will write any sort of prose to get Andy to stay. Perhaps Pete can forward our correspondence on to him?
BBB – That’s another good idea…But I’m sure Pete would decline, given that he would likely get inundated with mail!
Please don’t shoot me because I am a Sox fan and I am sincerely asking this question but I am afraid it may be interpreted as sarcastic. What is the status of Pavano? Is it a foregone conclusion that he will be out the entire season?
NOOOOO! Andy we need you!
Cumberberg, my first reaction was also where can we write Andy.
Pete, please, Andy’s address please. Tell Cashman the fans want to help.
When it rains it pours….boy it’d be really nice to get some good Yankees news in the off-season.
Right now Yanks are 0-3.
Dude, guys, they say
one handwritten letter = 500 emails, so if you write it, do it by hand =)
Funny question was about the Japanese pitcher, he wasn’t too sure who they were talking about. Said something like we better know who he is. LOL
Ray if he were a normal pitcher he should be ready to pitch some time in August. But he isn’t normal so he won’t be ready till Sept.
In all seriousness SJ knows a little more, he is throwing off flat ground. And you probably know the progression. I don’t see the Yankees allowing him to rehab using their facitilites and allowing him to pitch to show he can still do it. Unless of course they are desprite.
Pavano = “ouchies. My elbow hurts. I needs Tommy Johns.” So he’s out for all of 2008. I think. Knowing Pavano, he won’t come back any sooner than he has to. I say he should have to sell Cotton Candy to the bleacher creatures.
Jennifer,
Thank you for the update. I was just curious.
“boy it’d be really nice to get some good Yankees news in the off-season.
Right now Yanks are 0-3.”
Jonathon, Joe Girardi.
Joe Girardi, Jonathon.
Have you met?
Haha. I would correct my crappy typing in my Pavano quoted speech, but I’m going to leave it. Poor grammar for Pavano!
Pete- Thanks for the audio file. I find it amazing that we can hear the actual press conference, held only moments ago.
If Andy is truly grappling with family issues, then there is no way to predict what his decision will be.
Do you go with the 5 starters we have now – Wang, Moose, Joba, Hughes and IPK – and a long man? We would definitely need that long guy, I think, because Joba and Hughes don’t have their innings where they need to be. With Andy in the fold, one could rotate the 6 starters somewhat, to keep the number of innings pitched controlled.
Rebecca: I will write with a fountain pen in calligraphy if it will help bring Andy back!!
Here’s a little secret…Pavano doesn’t actually like to throw a baseball. Hunting supermodels is his singular passion…
Even with Pettitte we have to get a starter too many what if’s.The reason we why we have been bad in April and May and kill our Bullpen and get knocked out of the playoffs at the ALDS is injuries and overrated pitchers.Not our lineups not the bullpen.
We need pitching.Even with Pettitte.
Consider this scenario:
Mo doesn’t re-sign, Pettitte decides to retire and Joba becomes the closer.
That leaves us with four “true” starters: Mussina, Wang, Hughes and Kennedy. Cash-money will need to get busy and add a few arms through FA (slim-pickens)or a trade.
Anyone feel good about Damon and a prospect for Crede and Garland? Don’t see it happening, but it’s one off the top of my head.
Thanks Pete for the audio.
Wrte to
Andy Pettitte
c/o The New York Yankees. We all know the adderess of the Yanks. I am sure the Yankees will forward Andy’s mail.
How about a Jon Lieber return to the Bronx?
Andy is huge. Please come back Andy.
As far as The rotation is concerned, what about Karstens? He was pretty solid last spring before the injury. Any chance of him being the 5 starter? or is he now long-man for life?
The jury is still out on Girardi…
Even if Girardi is a positive, Yanks are 1-4…still not a good average.
The Yankees are 0-3, IMHO
I’m not sure I like the idea of more Jon Lieber. I grew to like him while he was here but he hasn’t gotten any less injury prone and I don’t think we should go down that road again. If worse comes to absolute worst I’d sooner sign Livan Hernandez. But…um…let’s hope it doesn’t come to that. Please come back Andy!!!
Lieber ruptured a tendon in his foot in late June. His future career is now in doubt. See the story here: http://philadelphia.phillies.m.....8;c_id=phi
Posada, Rivera will be inked within the next 10 days….Pettite is anyone guess, although I hold out that he’ll return….Wishful thinking maybe….Seemed sort of strange seeing Joe Torre today being intoduced to the LA media this morning….It was covered live here in Southern Cal…..Damn, what a strange few weeks it’s been…..
ok Andy wanna play that game huh …. we go after Kazmir and revisit Andy
Ok everyone, seriously, we need to write Andy.
I want to tell him that for a big heart true blue Yankees that he’s been it is simply unjust for him to have the Bug Game as his last. We grateful fans want to salute him at Yankees Stadium and send him off to retirement the right way, the way he deserves.
It would be nice to get some good news for once.
You’d think the pressure is really ratcheting up on Brian Cashman. He has a very tough job. There are days where he must feel that everyone he comes in contact with needs to be stroked, but nobody is stroking him back.
Somewhere in the back of his mind, Cashman has to be screaming ” I cant even get a straight answer out of Andy Pettitte!”.
Carl Pavano is the only man I ever knew of to suffer from bruised buttocks. I would never admit it.
Any day now I expect to see Cashman lose all remaining hair on his head or breakout into a horrific case of rash.
Let’s see 16,000,000 or stay at home with wife and kids ? he’ll be back!!!!!!!!!! one last shot at the big bucks can’t make that driving a school bus.
Chicago Dave,
I knew Lieber had ruptured that tendon, but thought he might be able to make an ’08 return.
Thanks for the link though man.
Hopefully once Mo and Posada are signed Pettitte will come back knowing that they are also going to be here. Maybe Cash will surprise us with a major league 3rd or 1st baseman.
so I’d offer TB Ian Kennedy, Wang & Ohlendorf for Scott Kazmir
what do you think would Tampa accept ?
so I’d offer TB Ian Kennedy, Wang & Ohlendorf for Scott Kazmir
what do you think would Tampa accept ?
less.
How Do , I was wondering about a Limit on signing Type A/B free agents. If the Yankees resign Mo – Posada – Andy can they still sign Hunter or Rowand. Does anybody know the answer to a Limit on Signings ?????
Very Nice !!!!
why would they take wanger he is arbitration eligible around the same time as Kazmir? Iguess if they were stupid.
2008 FA Pitchers:
* – player whose contract includes 2008 option
Tony Armas Jr. PIT, Kris Benson BAL, Paul Byrd * CLE,Shawn Chacon PIT, Roger Clemens NYY, Matt Clement BOS, Bartolo Colon LAA, Scott Elarton CLE, Josh Fogg COL, Casey Fossum * TB, Freddy Garcia PHI, Tom Glavine NYM, Livan Hernandez ARZ, Jason Jennings HOU, Brian Lawrence * NYM, Jon Lieber PHI, Kyle Lohse PHI, Rodrigo Lopez COL, Wade Miller CHC, Eric Milton CIN, Russ Ortiz SF, Andy Pettitte * NYY, Odalis Perez * KC, Mark Redman COL, Kenny Rogers DET, Curt Schilling BOS, Carlos Silva MIN, Julian Tavarez * BOS, John Thomson KC, Brett Tomko * SD, Steve Trachsel CHC, Jeff Weaver SEA, David Wells LAD, Kip Wells STL, Randy Wolf LAD, Jamey Wright TEX
Jaret Wright BAL, Victor Zambrano BAL
Anyone you would go after?
Notice how many ex-Yankees are on that list? Chacon, Jaret Wright, Rodgers and Wells.
How about Bartolo Colon? He’d be good for a start or two.
“The Yankees are 0-3, IMHO”
“whatever, yanks are crumbling house of cards now.”
why don’t we wait until Pettitte actually makes a decision?
though i guess the same exact people who wanted to give up the 2007 season in May are now here conceding 2008 in November.
this blog is ridiculous sometimes.
Well that’s it – this is a sign to end the Yankee franchise and build a new team with a new name – the house of cards is curmbling – all due to bugs on Lake Erie
You lot need to stop being so darned pessimistic.
Call it 0-3 when Andy retires and Mo and Po sign deals with Phillies and Mets, but not before.
As per my favorite chick flick Ever After:
“Nothing is final until you’re dead, and even then I’m sure G-d negotiates”
longtime, Wang will come cheap when he hits arbitration and that deal would fill TB’s need.
Wang a potential ace/# 2 – 3 SP
Kennedy a #2 – 4 SP
Ohlendorf a BP arm that can be legit
for
an Ace in SP Scott Kazmir
TB would listen
19 game winners( 3 something era) don’t come cheap in arbitration he would command more than Kaz
Oh, God, are we going to have to bring Clemens back again just to re-sign Andy?
“Nothing is final until you’re dead, and even then I’m sure G-d negotiatesâ€
Rebecca
Scott Boras has that tattooed on all his clients.
“longtime, Wang will come cheap when he hits arbitration and that deal would fill TB’s need. ”
i’m not sure you understand what arbitration means.
Wang is no longer cheap starting this season.
he’ll make about $4-5M this year, $6-7M next year, and $9-10M in 2010.
besides he would have too pitch on the turf
longtime, but it’s 24 yr. old LHP Scott Kazmir … I MEAN DAMN
“Oh, God, are we going to have to bring Clemens back again just to re-sign Andy?”
Other way around. Clemens comes back for Andy. Andy comes back on his own.
“Brandon (I want Arod back but fire Boras first)
November 5th, 2007 at 10:25 pm
so I’d offer TB Ian Kennedy, Wang & Ohlendorf for Scott Kazmir
what do you think would Tampa accept ?”
Yanks would have to be smoking some serious Mary Jane to offer this deal to Tampa Bay.
Why the hell would the Yankees trade Wang & Kennedy & Ohlendoff for Scott Kazmir? That would be worse than the Mets trading Kazmir for Victor Zambrano.
don’t get me wrong i would love hime but TB won’t make that deal unless you throw in a hughes
What goes around comes around. Yankees were fine with letting Joe hang out there wondering while they ‘thought it over’. Not too surprising if Andy, Mo, and Jorge let them wonder a while as the three of them ‘think it over’.
Let’s just hope what they come up with in the end is favorable to the team.
Not to mention the huge foreign fan base that the Yankees lose if Wang was to get traded.
Remember this ?
On September 30, 2006 the Los Angeles Times reported that former relief pitcher Jason Grimsley, during a June 6, 2006 federal raid by federal agents investigating steroids in baseball, named Pettitte as a user of performance enhancing drugs.[4] The Times reported that Pettitte was one of five names blacked out in an affidavit filed in federal court.[4] Grimsley had told investigators that he got amphetamines, anabolic steroids, and human growth hormone from someone recommended to him by former Yankees trainer Brian McNamee, who is a personal strength coach for Clemens and Pettitte.[4] However, on October 3, 2006, the Washington Post reported that San Francisco United States attorney Kevin Ryan said that the Los Angeles Times report contained “significant inaccuracies.”[5] Pettitte, along with the other four players named, has denounced the story.[5]
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Mitchell report coming out soon ….
Wouldn’t it be advisable to wait and see what we have pitching wise, before we trade anything away? By the midsason trade deadline, the Yankees should have a firm grasp on the situation in addition to seeing how Humberto Sanchez recovers and if Horne is ML ready. What the Yankees need to do imo is to add Demaso Marte to the bullpen via trade as our dominant LHP. We could fill the rest of the spots from within. They also need to focus on re-signing Mo/Po and finding a 3B as well as looking into a 1B.
Sign David Wells to a month to month contract.
In the end, I think Andy will return. I just think he needs some time to think it over. All is not lost. This postseason hasn’t exactly started off on the right foot for us, but I have faith that in the end, we will land on our feet.
And even if we don’t, I’m a Yankee fan now and forever. That will never change.
Come back Andy!
“Not to mention the huge foreign fan base that the Yankees lose if Wang was to get traded.”
Josh, so what ? oh and for people asking about what TB does if he hits arbitration , Wang isn’t a 10 million dollar a yr. SP , I’d laugh at the team that signs him to that price, if he were to go through arbitration what would it be 4 yrs. 40 million TB would deal for that. They have arms through the draft and Kennedy is a huge throwin
“though i guess the same exact people who wanted to give up the 2007 season in May are now here conceding 2008 in November.
this blog is ridiculous sometimes.”
There is a difference between being a supportive fan and being a pollyanna.
Just for the record, I was always positive about the 2007 season. I thought the Yankees had too much talent to be bad for the whole year.
You cannot ignore the developments over the past few days and say they don’t matter. Pettitte was/is an important part of the Yankees success next year.
If he does not return it is not good.
Winning 90+ games will be hard enough without a bat like A. Rod’s. Winning them without a pitcher like Pettitte will be next to impossible.
“If he does not return it is not good. ”
i agree. but it hasn’t happened yet.
Now does andy also dont understand to be a yankee like hank said on a rod ! wake up guys this is a business andy wants to test free agency just like a rod wants ! dont belive the crap that he cant decide what to do!
Winning 90+ games will be hard enough without a bat like A. Rod’s. Winning them without a pitcher like Pettitte will be next to impossible.
Amen. We need Mo and Posada and Pettitte.
Tread WANG to RED SOX ?
It would be great.
I’m still in the bring Kazmir for Wang, Kennedy and Ohlendorf
I think he is done. He has made 92 million for his career and everybody says he doesn’t spend anything. He seems like a family man who may want to just spend time with his kids. I really think he is done.
guys, the Yankees and Devil Rays do not trade major players.
the Yankees and the Orioles do not trade major players.
the Yankees and the Red Sox do not trade major players.
the Yankees will NOT trade for Scott Kazmir. there is a 0% of that happening. none.
if the DRays make Kazmir available, there will be plenty of teams making attractive offers so that the DRays won’t have to trade him to a division rival.
the Yankees will also not be trading for Bedard.
So Brandon, since we may be short a starter (Pettitte), you’d trade TWO starters and a reliever to get back ONE starter as a solution? Might be a good move for a fantasy team I guess.
Wow… if this holds true, Yankees just went to 3rd place winning 78-85 games.
Brandon you would be willing to trade 27+ wins for 17+ wins is what you’re saying.
Jeff in MA,
Joba would be an Ace
Kazmir you # 2 SP
Hughes your # 3 SP
the back end can be filled
1, 2 & 3 SP is the most important after that it’s the defense and BP, we have quick movers in this system even Jeffrey Marquez can fill in for Wang at the # 4 or 5 spot.
The odds of Kazmir getting traded away from TB are about as good as A-Rod signing with the Marlins.
Why in the world would TB trade away Kazmir, especially when the centerpiece of the deal (Wang) is a sinkerballer whose biggest weakness in pitching on turf and half of his starts in TB would be exploiting his biggest weakness?
You can mark it down — Kazmir will NOT be traded this offseason to anyone.
He’s 23 years old, only makes $400K, and is one of the top young pitchers in the game. Why would TB want to give him up when they have no starting pitching after Kazmir and Shields?
Most of these so-called rumors involving certain players are just that – rumors. Many of them don’t have any substance or logic to them at all.
Pete,
Do you realize that you posted that cash has a good hunch about pettitte right before the post that said pettitte declines option? Good job there cashman – u cant even have a solid hunch about pettitte, how can u have a good hunch about any free agents? Every day I think more and more that cash has no idea what he is doing and knows about us much as you or me. Maybe thas why he always talks in code because he never really knows anything – wouldnt surprise me in the slightest.
So Pettitte prolly declined because he feels he can get more than 16 million from the yanks. I cant see any other reason for it.
Trading anybody in the lineup or any starter for crede would be a horrible idea. Not only because of recent injuries but also the fact that the guy never walks at all. His OBP pretty much is his batting average. He has some power tho but no speed making him a two tool player. So we are going to replace the best player in baseball for a two tool player possibly – doesnt sound very appealing sorry. At least he is better than feliz. I would prolly trade Hughes for Miguel Cabrera. It would suck to do so but we cant replace arod with crede or feliz or really any free agent on this crap market and call it a day. I really think the marlins may do that trade as well. Cabrera is going to be making 8 digits soon and he is 24. The marlins want a prize pitching prospect who want make alot of money for a long long time. If we can get away with trading any one else for him id try everything but in the end, I think we really should make a run at getting cabrera. If we cant do that, we really have to obtain a centerfielder to replace melky and get a first baseman with some pop. Then, we can stick somebody at third and attempt to replace one amazing player with three good players.
Two things about Andy — first, he’ll do what’s best for his family, letters or no, unfortunately. Second, free agent attrition if it happens can be at least partly attributed to Torre’s exit. Management should be prepared to accept that this may be a consequence of the lack of effort to get Joe T. back.
(Nevertheless I do like Joe G. and am looking forward to having him as manager)
Dude, guys, the pessimism?
So totally not working right now.
I’m not saying you’ve got to be all like ZOMG GREATEST YANKEES SEASON EVER IN 2008 (though I’m delusional enough to do it), but, c’mon.
You honestly expect only 78 wins out of the Yankees?
Last time the Yankees had a season that poor, I was in grade school and didn’t know a sac bunt from the infield fly!
raymagnetic it’s Scott Kazmir, minny would ask for too much for Santana and lets say Johan is a FA in 09′ and we get him do you realize Kazmir and Johan on a Yankees staff
DROOOOL
raymagnetic it’s Scott Kazmir, minny would ask for too much for Santana and lets say Johan is a FA in 09′ and we get him do you realize Kazmir and Johan on a Yankees staff
DROOOOL
Dave –
When Andy said it’s Yanks or nothing, I believe him without a doubt. He’s not trying to get more money from another team.
I’ll believe Barry Bonds never did roids or Arod will take a $100mil paycut to come back before I believe Andy is shopping for more money.
He wants to spend time with his kids? The guy has five months vacation and he’ll be retired, minimum, at the age of 40. Who needs more time than that with their kids? I spend the weekend with mine and I’m ready to strangle them.
I love Andy as much as anyone and we clearly need him back, but this cocktease routine is a little annoying. The season ended a month ago, is the decision really all that complicated? Guarantee he comes back.
1)Hughes, Horne, and Gardner to the D.Rays
2)Kazmir and {insert expensive arbitration eligible hitter} to the Twins
3)Santana to the Yankees.
Bueller, anyone?
Dee,
I didnt say andy is trying to get more money from another team. I said he is trying to get more money from the YANKEES. He doesnt want to play for only sixteen if he can get more elsewhere. He wants to play for the yanks for 25 mil. Thas the only reaosn to decline an option from a team he wants to play for.
Why are all of you idiots talking about a kazmir trade? He isnt even in the market. Hes making league min, why would the d rays trade him? Altho his fantasty value would skyrocket if he could win more than 14 games each yr.
Jeff –
I agree. I’m excited about Girardi too but also think the Torre thing is at least a small factor in what’s going on here. Hopefully Mo and Po will sign in a few days (I’m confident they will) and we’ll all stop having these sinkng feelings…
Actually, Andy is probably shopping for a 2 or 3 year deal. That would allow him to pitch until he is 38.
3 yr/48-52 million.
Brandon –
I see where you’re coming from but I don’t think trading away lots of talent to get all stars is a good approach right now. That’s kind of “old Big Stein” thinking in my book. Is Kazmir going to win more games than those three pitchers put together next year?
I also get a little bit annoyed with the many trade schemes people come up with that leave a loose end dangling — many of them seem to end with “then all we’d need is a left fielder from somewhere” or a second baseman or a fourth starter or what have you.
Jeff in MA, Kazmir is 24 yrs. old and a LHP that is a work horse, this isn’t like oh I’ll trade Wang and Kennedy for uh Pedro Martinez or uh Barry Zito
Wang+Kennedy+Ohlendorf or Veras for Scott Kazmir
SIGN ME THE F—- UP !!!!!
Dave –
Sorry I misread your post. Really, you think he wants more money? I’ll be a bit surprised but won’t rule it out. I guess everyone can use a few more millions especially if you know someone has deep pocket to pay and they desparately need you to change your family plans around.
Brandon, you are certifiably insane. Seek professional help.
OK, just, initial here, and here, and sign and date it at the bottom. There, it’s official!
“He wants to play for the yanks for 25 mil. Thas the only reaosn to decline an option from a team he wants to play for.
Why are all of you idiots talking about a kazmir trade? ”
you think Pettitte is going to get $25M and we’re idiots?
Joel Sherman wrote in today’s NYP that the Rays may look to trade Kazmir now while his three-years before arbitration maximize his value.
Maybe you’re the idiot Jeff, or at least illiterate.
He wouldn’t lie he just needs more time….
http://www.beliefnet.com/story.....732_1.html
Lay off Kill, I didn’t call anyone an idiot. I don’t call people names.
Kill-Schill,
The Post and other news outlets have reported recently that A-Rod could wind up with the Marlins. That doesn’t make it any less insane.
We’re gonna hear a lot about stupid and idiotic trade rumors this week and the rest of the offseason.
Kazmir is going nowhere.
Arods list according to jon heyman Angels, Red Sox, Mets, Giants, Dodgers. What exactly was the dodgers payroll last yr? 3 times what arod wants per yr? The sox are going to win the world series after spending over 200 million on payroll and then go out and drop 350 million on arod. Not to mention, boston fans despised the guy for three yrs. The mets would have to convince david wright to move to second. Then, they would have to completely ignore their biggest need which is starters and relief and blow 350 million on another big bat (the only strong suit of that team. I doubt the Giants have the money either. They buy the biggest free agent in the market last yr and he turns into the biggest flop during the season. Now they r going to go out and spend 350 mil on a guy that may not even bring them into the playoffs becuz their team has soo many flaws. They are a possibility but a long-shot. The angels are prolly the only possibility the way i see it. They have the payroll to sign arod but they would really be mortgaging their future for the guy. They have a solid team already so if he arrives in anaheim, they would be a shoe-in for the playoffs and arod would have a supporting cast unlike the situation in san fran. The only thing i can see if that the angels would be spending 1/3rd of their 2007 payroll about 110 million on one player. With colon and his 16 mil coming off the books it is a possibility. They still have lakcey and escobar signed and some young pitchers. They have vlad, figgins kendrick and gary mathews. They have shield and speiers. They would certianly win. They have a hole at third. Its just a matter of money esp long-term for a club that isnt exactly considered a high payroll team. I dont think arod will get his asking price for them.
Didn’t you write this post to Dee on 11:21pm?
“Why are all of you idiots talking about a kazmir trade? He isnt even in the market. Hes making league min, why would the d rays trade him? Altho his fantasty value would skyrocket if he could win more than 14 games each yr.”
sorry, I’m the idiot. That was Dave.
Kill – I am “Jeff in MA”. I didn’t write that post.
sorry Jeff in MA.
“Do you realize that you posted that cash has a good hunch about pettitte right before the post that said pettitte declines option? Good job there cashman – u cant even have a solid hunch about pettitte, how can u have a good hunch about any free agents? Every day I think more and more that cash has no idea what he is doing and knows about us much as you or me.”
For all you know, Cash knew what Pettitte was going to do when he said that. But hey, just smear away.
I like Dee’s idea about writing to Andy, so I set up a thread at my board where anybody that would like to do so can.
You’ll have to register if you haven’t already in order to be able to post. My apologies if that ends up being inconvenient, but it’s what keeps the trolls out so that the thread doesn’t get crap mixed in with it.
If we can get a nice long thread together for Andy, I’ll find a way to get it to him, whether that means bribing Pete with some Springsteen stuff (
) or writing the office of the Hendricks, or whatever it takes.
Spread the word on other sites if you can, and thanks in advance to anyone that decides to take part. Here’s a link to the thread: http://www.clubbronx.com/viewtopic.php?p=701#701
GOD PLEASE LAND ME SCOTT KAZMIR, MAKE THE DRAYS TAKE WANG AND KENNEDY AND VERAS not OHLENDORF
Whoa, cashman said I have a good hunch about pettitte to pete today knowing that later today he would decline his option? Why would he say that today if he knew pettitte would decline? He would say I have a bad hunch or not say anything. If he said that knowing pettitte would decline he is dumber than I thought. I really think cashman doesnt really know that much more than we do when these meetings start. Its like these guys come to the meetings without making any contact before hand. What exactly do they even do if not discuss the status of free agents and trade talks. Its got to be something for the millions cash is making.
brandon, pray for Santana. He is much more likely and a better pitcher. Santana contract is up next yr and he may be the highest payed pitcher in 2009 in all of baseball and would get traded before that happens so the twins can get something out of him. Kazmir isnt making anything next yr. The d rays r keeping him for a while still. And santana is better than kazmir
Kevin DeLeon hit a 3 run shot today
Melancon also pitched 2 innings. Velocity was at 88-92, not bad for coming out of TJS by ST he should be back up to 95 – 97 mph his regular arm speed
Dave, Santana is a FA in 09′ we can get him for $$$ and not mortgage a farm while in turn trading Wang , Ohlendorf and Kennedy for Kazmir. If we pull that off you’d have
Joba
Santana
Kazmir
Hughes
FA -
what’s not to like
GOING BACK TO THIRD BASE PROBLEM HERE’S THE SOLUTION, IT’S A CUBAN PLAYER, HIS NAME IS ALEXEI RAMIREZ HE IS 26 YEARS OLD, HE PLAY ALL POSITIONS OF THE INFIELD MAINLY THE 2B AND SS, BUT HE’S VERY COMPETITIVE AND HE’S AN ALL STAR IN CUBA WHO WANT’S TO PLAY IN MLB SO I THINK HE CAN FILL THE VOID IN THIRD BASE AND EVEN HE IS A GOOD HITTER, HIS LIFETIME STATICS IN CUBA ARE; 332 AVG,87HR,391 RBI IN SEVEN SEASONS IN CUBAN BASEBALL, CUBAN PLAYERS ARE WELL KNOWN IN BASEBALL FOR HIS GRIT, HE IS A FREE AGENT AND HE’S NOT ASKIN FOR 25 MILLIONS PER YEAR, I THINK HE COULD A GREAT FIT IN THIS TEAM, WHO CAN ALTERNATE THE ROLE WITH BETEMIT, BUT THE IDEA IS WITH TIME HE OVERTAKE THE POSITION.
Alexei doesn’t project that well in the ML, I’d go after him but not as the new 3B, sign him like we did Miranda let him learn to play out here.
This is bad if Andy doesn’t come back.
There is no free agent pitcher or pitcher available in trade that comes with all the intangibles Andy has.
I hope this doesn’t drag on past Christmas.
We need him to lead the rotation and spend another year with the kid starters. We also need him for the post season.
I hope he comes back.
I love the Girardi move, but I’m starting to wonder how much the managerial change is affecting these decisions.
We’ll never know the truth, but I think a lot of us would have been very happy with more Torre if it meant Pettitte, Mo and Posada were sure things.
I think Arod was gone even if Pinella was the manager here.
Schilling is about to resign w/ the Red Sox a 1 yr. incentive deal.. INSULTED !!!
WELL,MAYBE YOU ARE RIGHT, WHAT I MEAN IS THAT THE YANKEES SHOULD LAND HIM AND I THINK HE WILL FINALLY TAKE A CHANCE TO SHOW HIS SKILLS, I TELL YOU HE IS NOT A-ROD BUT HE CAN PLAY, HE’S A VERY GOOD PLAYER.
yeh but BEISBOL LATINO, I’d put him in A or AA and let him adjust before throwing him out there. Oh and can you chill w/ the caps we understand
ICU-ANO is in a bubble
here is 2008 pitching staff
Pettitte
wang
hughes
chamberlain
mussina
kerry wood
al reyes
ron villone
joe kennedy
chris britton
kyle farnsworth
mariano rivera
Dave,
It seems Cash knew and still made the comment because he was looking beyond the option date:
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....ml?ref=rss
The pitcher called Cashman earlier in the day, wanting to personally inform the GM of his indecision. Cashman said he appreciated the call, which lasted 10-20 minutes, though he said he was confident that Pettitte’s thoughts were genuine and not some kind of negotiating ploy.
“He didn’t need to convince me, but I appreciated the fact that he called me directly,” Cashman said. “He’s not ready to make a decision about playing or retiring yet, and he’s earned the right to take some more time as far as we’re concerned.”
PEOPLE DON’T PANIC ANDY IS COMING BACK AND THE ROCKET TOO.
YEAHHHHH, ANDY IS COMING BACK CUZ THIS TEAM WILL BE LIKE LATE 90′S TEAM
T.J. Simmers of LA TIMES not that gaga over Torre in the Dodgers saying he’s in for a wake up call in LA
T.J. Simers is an @$$. Kobe gets along well with all the media in LA, but won’t give Simers the time of day because of something he said.
Simers is something along the lines of Skip Bayless. Just says (sports talk radio) and writes dumb things to generate attention.
Torre is the same manager who had a sub .500 record before he was handed the keys to a team that was ready to win after being built by Michaels and Showalter.
true mel, but he did make good points.
Brandon, sorry didn’t read the article, just was giving the general opinion of how people in LA hate him. I don’t even live there, so that tells you how far his putridness permeates.
However, I did see on espn news that they said he’ll have a very solid rotation, the best NL closer, and possibly a shiny-new 3B. O.k. the shine comes from his hair gel and lip gloss, but you know what I mean. Dodgers also had the best record in all of baseball on a certain date in June before Little lost the clubhouse.
Speaking of Little, Madden is already sniping at Girardi. He thinks it was unprofessional of both Joes to be dealing with the Dodgers while Little was still in their employ.
He also thinks that Girardi was a little disenguous about this being his dream job and that he’d probably say the same thing if he got the Cubs job.
Letter writing campaign for Andy is here
http://www.fuckyouarod.com/200.....-you-feel/
oh no Mel, he was speaking on 1050ESPN w/ BT on the overnight shift, he said Torre still doesn’t guarantee anything and Colletti isn’t signing Arod, LA is Dodger town and he said Torre has his work cut out because eversince Grady Little’s win pct. has been better than Torre’s over the past few yrs. and Little took that team to the playoffs, he thinks Joe will get star struck over there.
I kind of agree.
I mean are the Cubs, Mets, Phillies, Padres, Rockies, Braves, DBacks and Brewers taking a backseat to the Dodgers in the NL ? I don’t think so
No one knows for sure what the makeup of the team is going to be. The Dodgers could now have the incentive to go full out since they got Torre and spend some money for players. Maybe not Arod money, but a tweak here and there and they are in contention or at least have a shot at the playoffs.
It all depends on how well Torre sells what he can bring to the team. They looked awful cozy today so you can’t discount anything at this point. If they bought into anything, they’ve already approved his coaches, which is a good start and it’s also possible Mazzilli will be there as the bench coach. Sounds to me like Torre did a full court press and is getting everything he wants so far.
The Dodgers draw close to 4 million a year in LA, so spending money may not be out of the question for them. They could also strike deals with money players that are incentive laden and with long term payments, so they don’t cripple themselves in the short term.
I wouldn’t pay any player 30 to 35 million, high caliber player or not. Arod isn’t worth 30 million to me. They can get 2 or 3 quality players or good up and coming players for that kind of money.
Who’s to say, they could even start their own network depending on their deal with MLB, as per the TV rights and such. Anything can happen. It’s all a waiting game now.
“There is no free agent pitcher or pitcher available in trade that comes with all the intangibles Andy has. ”
Sorry I’m not interested in intangibles. Otherwise Miguel Cairo would be a good candidate for a starting third baseman. He plays with aloy of heart, after all.
But I will take Pettitte because of his tangibles. Those are very impressive. Intangibles are irrelevant.
If Pettitte doesn’t return, this is what I’d do:
Go for broke and offer Tom Glavine a year and $10M (what Maddux just got from San Diego, a mil more than the player’s option he declined, and a mil less than the club option the Mets declined). The worst he could say is no. If he declines, move on. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. If he signs, Wang/ Glavine/ Hughes/ Chamberlain/ Mussina w/ lots of backup and trading chips is a solid rotation and the Yanks clear $6M ($16M Pettitte made this year – $10M the Yanks pay Glavine for next year). Glavine and Mussina would be off the books after ’08 ($21M cleared which pays Johann Santana’s salary for the first year of his contract with the Yanks). The Yanks could earmark the $6M saved signing Glavine in place of a retired Pettitte towards Wang’s 2009 salary.
If Glavine doesn’t sign:
Sign Eric Milton, a free agent lefty who came up in the Yankees organization and was the central piece in the Knoblauch trade, to a one year contract with a low base salary. He’s not a kid anymore, but he isn’t old (he turns 33 next 8/4). I think he’d jump at the chance to return to the organization he started with after an injury-plagued 2007 with the Reds (0-4, 5.17 ERA in only 6 starts) for whom he was a complete bust for (3 years $25+M).
If Glavine signs or doesn’t sign and Milton signs:
Sign David Wells to a minor-league contract where he makes $2M if he makes the team (according to baseball -reference.com, he made $4M in 2006 and $3M in 2007, so $2M is fair). Like Glavine, the worst he could say is no. I could see him rejecting it -understandable from a man who has 239 career wins- and if so, fine. I think the Yanks could get more out of Wells (even at his advanced age) for $2M next year than they did with Villone or certainly Randy Johnson for $2M this year (the Yanks had to pay R.J. $2M this year as part of trading him to Arizona).
Leave Pettitte the option to return for July on.
The 2008 rotation w/o Glavine would be:
Wang/ Hughes/ Chamberlain/ Mussina/
Milton, Wells, Kennedy, Karstens, Clippard, or Igawa as the #5 starter (open competition, scouts at every game).
The possibility of Pettitte returning.
The Yanks could still trade for a starter and try to trade Mussina although I doubt he’d agree to a trade. If he doesn’t agree, I’d play hardball with him and tell him he’s competing for a job in the rotation in spring training. He’ll change his tune fast cuz let’s see…go elsewhere and be guaranteed 30 starts there for a chance at a new contract at good money with a postseason-competitive team after 2008 or be in and out of the rotation with the Yanks and be lucky if any postseason-competitive team wants him for ’09.
The bottom line is if Pettitte retires, the Yankees need to stockpile veteran lefthanded arms so the rotation isn’t Wang, 3 kids with exactly 16 career M.L.B. starts between them (Hughes, Kennedy, and Chamberlain), a hasbeen (Mussina), and insurance with little experience or success in M.L.B. (Igawa, Karstens, and Clippard). I’d go for the whole kit and kaboodle and sign Glavine, Milton, and Wells.
Check Cot’s Baseball Contracts. Glavine, Milton, and Wells are the best free agent lefty starters and there’s no lefty outside of Santana the Yanks should sell the farm and break the bank for. You wanna tell me “forget them, get Santana”, don’t put your eggs in one basket. Joel Sherman from the N.Y. Post made a point: Minnesota may be reluctant to deal Santana cuz then it’s bad faith shown towards Minnesota i.e. the team just got a new ballpark and now they’re letting go of Torii Hunter then trading Santana. Hunter will be a goner. How far off would it be that Mauer and Moreau would be next to go? Twins fans would live with Santana signing elsewhere after 2008 more than him being traded before or during 2008 cuz at least the team fought to keep him and just got outbid.
I wouldn’t consider Santana to the Yanks, Mets, or anyone else but the Twins after next year a forgone conclusion. If Nelson Liriano returns to 2006 form, Silva can be kept, and Garza and/or Bonzer get better, the Twins have something there with Santana leading the way. They’re back in at least wildcard contention and Santana/Silva/Liriano/Garza or Bonzer/ Santana for Game 5 would be a potentially lethal A.L.D.S. rotation.
i think by 2009, Santana will have been traded to a team already. The twins will want something for him rather than just lose him to free agency. Thas the thing about super star pitchers these days – they carry your team for ten yrs and then, you get to trade them for prize pitching prospects if you cant afford them. I dont think Kazmir would be available to the yanks. If the drays do trade him y would they give him to the yanks in their own division?
If Pettite is only looking for more time, why not pick up the option and then decide to retire? He must want more (ala Michael Strahan)
I’m not devastated by this.
2008 is a rebuilding year regardless of whether Pettitte returns or not.
What are the odds that Andy would stay healthy for 2 straight years? Judging by his comments he seems pretty amazed that he made it through 07 totally healthy. Maybe he’s decided to go out while he’s still a reasonable facsimile of Andy Pettitte in his prime.
I just hope that Pettitte is a man of his word. I have a funny feeling that he could end up in Dodger blue.
we just need pettitte for one m ore yr. After that, I think kennedy, hughes and chamberlain will all be ready to take over. They all need a full yr of starting along with a veteran that can show them the way. And Moose is not the veteran to show them the way and wang is too young and cant even speak english.
“I just hope that Pettitte is a man of his word. I have a funny feeling that he could end up in Dodger blue.”
really, based on what?
“I’d go for the whole kit and kaboodle and sign Glavine, Milton, and Wells.”
wow. this makes sense.
but i probably should have stopped reading after the words “sign Eric Milton”.
the only problem with signing milton is that he’s horrible. besides that, it’s a pretty good idea.
A “hunch”, lol. Not based on anything, just a gut feeling that I hope I’m very wrong on.
Pettitte has been the definition of class. He will be a Yankee or he’ll be retired.
sunny, I hope you are right!!
Brandon, Mel, et. al., T. J. Simers is not even a baseball writer — he came up as a football writer and now writes a ‘sports’ column in which he tries to cover more subjects than he knows anything about, and makes up for lack of depth in any one area by striving to be ‘provocative’.
As for reception of Torre in LA, judging from reports from Dodger beat writers and Dodger blogs, relieved and hopeful seem to be the main themes.
Dodgers/Angels are the Yankees/Mets of LA. The big brother Dodgers are the old respected franchise with the larger fanbase while the Angels are the younger brothers racing to catch up and hoping to surpass their elders. Familiar dynamic to New Yorkers.
DHC,
Thanks for the insight. I love the Lakers, so of course I stumbled across Simers because he had some kind of beef with Kobe. He also used to have some kind of radio show with his daughter, right? Timers Squared or something? And all the people on the Lakers blog at the LA Times wanted him fired from the paper because of incompetency. JA Adande used to say some dumb things, too, but I noticed that as he goes more mainstream (i.e. Around the Horn, etc.) he’s much smarter and more pleasant.
Someone said that Torre would be star-struck in LA. I don’t think so, Torre is a star who handled super-stars. His personal friends include Belichik (I can never spell it right), Charlie Weiss, and probably the Dalai Lama. Even Phil Jackson was asked about Torre and he refererred to him as “Joe”. That struck me that they know each other personally. I think he’ll make a bad team good and a good team great. Just listen to the man speak, he’s almost hypnotic. Some New York writer wrote how the lazy days of Joe’s (Torre) 45-minute pre-game sessions are gone. They’re definitely not expecting that from Girardi.
I still maintain that being the Yankee manager for as long and successfully as he was made Torre a star. In no other city would he have become such an icon. Well now, in the illustrious words of Reggie Jackson, Torre’s taking his star with him. I’m happy for him, and it will put the Dodgers back on the map. Why’s that a good thing? Because they’re baseball royalty who’s crown became a little tarnished. And more Dodger talk means more Yankee talk and less Red Sox talk.
Mel, I watched the broadcast of Torre’s ‘coronation’ in LA and if anybody seemed starstruck it was not Joe. It started off as boring and predictable as those things always are but as soon as JT started taking questions from the press it turned into a master clinic on media relations. How desperately did the Dodgers need that?
Agree with you, he got his star here (and he thanked Steinbrenner again for that in the middle of all that Dodger blue-ness) but he has definitely taken it with him.
Torre referred to the Yankees several times in his “speech”.
he knows the deal…
I would be shocked if Pettitte didn’t come back. It would just be so fitting for him to pitch with the young guys and be there for the last season of Yankee Stadium, he would be honored by the Yankees properly and it would be a moment you could never take away from him. Why would he go out like this? Last game he pitched was a gem, but lost to the “bugs”! don’t think so!
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