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Cashman: The kids aren’t getting traded

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 06, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The GMs just made themselves available to the media for about an hour. Here are a few tibdits:

Brian Cashman said he can’t envision trading Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes or Ian Kennedy. “I know I’m going to be tested,” he said. “And while no player is untouchable, some are more untouchable than others.”

He went on to say that they didn’t develop those pitchers to trade them.

Some people seem convinced a Damon/Crede trade is going to be made soon. However Cashman said he has no significant discussions and Kenny Williams said he has backed off his usual aggressive approach and plans to carefully gauge the market.

Williams did insist that Crede is fully healthy and has already been cleared for baseball activities. But the Yankees think Damon is worth more than Crede and the White Sox don’t want to take on Damon’s salary. I’m not going to hammer you with a bunch of stats because I have other things to do. But this trade makes little sense for the Yankees on many fronts. Just because Chicago has two third basemen doesn’t mean the Yankees should trade for one of them.

Theo Epstein said Boston’s priority is signing Mike Lowell. What about A-Rod at shortstop? “We have a shortstop,” he said.

Marlins exec Larry Beinfest said the Marlins have no interest in talking to Scott Boras about A-Rod. But new Angels GM Tony Reagins welcomed talk about Rodriguez.

You’ll hear a lot about A-Rod and the Mets. But most of it is coming from Boras, directly or indirectly. With the Yankees out and Boston not much interested, Boras needs the Mets involved to drive up the price. Just the perception that the Mets are involved helps him.

The Mets would have to move David Wright to first base, trade Carlos Delgado and find a way to pay Rodriguez what he wants. The Wilpons have built a lucrative, contending team without going over the luxury tax threshold. Why would they start now?

But the Mets are always desperate to upstage the Yankees, so you never know.

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284 Responses to “Cashman: The kids aren’t getting traded”

  1. Bryan November 6th, 2007 at 3:17 pm

    A-Greed

  2. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 6th, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    Cash is brilliant.

  3. EdWhitson November 6th, 2007 at 3:22 pm

    Good post, Peter….so many posters have panicked now that A-Rod is gone, they want us to trade Hughes, Kennedy, etc etc for Miggy….if we did not win with A-Rod at 3B, why would we win with the lesser Miggy? Makes no sense….glad to see you addressed it.

  4. Crawling Back November 6th, 2007 at 3:23 pm

    A-Rod and his snake come crawling back to the Yankees after their best offer is 20mil/year tops….Sah-weet !

  5. TurnTwo November 6th, 2007 at 3:24 pm

    Peter, what about the speculation that the Damon/Crede talks could expand to include Garland for a second tier prospect, which would offset the salaries going back and forth?

  6. jennifer- congrats JOE G November 6th, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    Hope Cash sticks to his word on all accounts. Not trading kids, and not going after Alex.

  7. Joe from Long Island November 6th, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    Sounds like Cash isn’t going to trade one of the three young pitchers for someone with issues – like Cabrera and his weight. Can’t say I disagree.

    As far as Damon-Crede – It just doesn’t make sense for me. Trade someone who can be a leadoff hitter and offensive threat (and who played much better the last half of the season) for someone who is coming off a bad back, has on-base percentage problems and has been forced out of his position? Not straight-up. Maybe as part of a larger deal.

  8. Mike R. November 6th, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    Yankee management has really earned my trust over the years. I rarely second guess moves anymore because I trust their judgement.

  9. sunny615 November 6th, 2007 at 3:27 pm

    I would be shocked if Minaya made any moves regarding A-pud. Wright is the best player in the NL right now. Young and cheap and a better 3Bman than arod.

  10. Phil November 6th, 2007 at 3:28 pm

    Yanks should be very patient right now and see what comes to them.

  11. raymagnetic November 6th, 2007 at 3:29 pm

    Saying that he can’t envision trading them and that the Yankees didn’t develop them just to trade them is definitely not the same as saying there is no way in hell he’ll trade any of them.

  12. nate c. November 6th, 2007 at 3:30 pm

    thanks peter.

    this off-season is pretty interesting so far. I have a good feeling about the next month or so…

  13. sunny615 November 6th, 2007 at 3:30 pm

    My POV is talk is talk. Cash can say all he wants about no trading away the kids (posturing)… but if Miguel Cabrera can be had for a reasonable price (Kennedy plus whatever) Cash will pull the trigger because as Cash always likes to say – he’ll do whatever makes the most “sense” for the team. Posturing.

  14. drizzle November 6th, 2007 at 3:31 pm

    The Yankees especially need to hold onto each of Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy due to the possiblity of Pettitte not being around next year.

  15. ItalianGreco November 6th, 2007 at 3:32 pm

    Great news. Lets keep our young guns.

  16. Jason O. November 6th, 2007 at 3:33 pm

    That’s a good point, because Damon is more valuable than Crede, even at this point in Damon’s career.

  17. B November 6th, 2007 at 3:34 pm

    sunny615,

    I agree. I wouldn’t bother reading into anything any of these GMs say to the media. Actions speak louder than words. You just have to let these things play out.

  18. Laura November 6th, 2007 at 3:34 pm

    As far as I’m concerned, the Mets can have A-Liar. We don’t need him. We didn’t win with him and neither will they.

    From what I remember of the Mets season, they need pitching just like every other team on this planet. Signing A-Phoney isn’t going to replace Glavine or make El Duque younger. You’re going to blow over $300mil on a third baseman when you’ve got a younger, better fielding one already employed?

    If the Mets make this deal, it will prove what a desperate organization they are.

    I’m standing by my original prediction: A-Fraud will end up with the Angels for less money than the Yankees were offering. Maybe now, we can beat the Angels in the playoffs!!

  19. KLev November 6th, 2007 at 3:35 pm

    Let’s set the record straight: Boston has no interest in A-Rod. Why would they? They just won the gosh darn World Freak’n Series without him. Every team he goes to fails (remember, his nickname around the league is “the cooler”). The Sox have a good relationship with Lowell and want him back. If we hear word-one about the Bo-Sox wanting ADog it’s a plant by Borass or some Boston writers who want to tweak the Yanks and their fans.

    I’ll go further: I don’t think they’ll make a serious play for Santana either. They already have a legit #1. They have some GREAT young arms in their system. While everyone would love to have the great Santana, the Sox don’t really need him that much – repeat after me: they just won it all without ARod or Santana. They have as good a collection of young arms as anyone in baseball (call me when Jaba throws a no-hitter). They have a shortstop and they’ll get their 3rd baseman back if they want him.

    ARod’s market is 3-4 teams: Angels, Dodgers, Giants, Cubs and maybe the Mets (and that is doubtful). Period. The rest is just Boras spin….

  20. Jeff November 6th, 2007 at 3:35 pm

    Cashman is the f****** man!

  21. Mike R. November 6th, 2007 at 3:36 pm

    Go Tigers. The Tigers would be the best team (with a realistic shot) scenario for picking up A-Rod. I want their draft pick or a draft pick before theirs.

  22. Jay November 6th, 2007 at 3:37 pm

    “The Mets would have to move David Wright to first base, trade Carlos Delgado and find a way to pay Rodriguez what he wants.”

    Umm, no they wouldn’t. The obvious move would be to move Wright to second base and have A-Rod play third. Wright is a first baseman-to-be with his erratic throwing arm, but then again, so is A-Rod sooner or later. If the Mets want, they can sign A-Rod and insert him into that team without a drop of sweat.

  23. Mike R. November 6th, 2007 at 3:39 pm

    Jay – Close but no cigar. The correct move would be Wright to LF which is a much easier transition than the one from third to second.

  24. mel November 6th, 2007 at 3:39 pm

    They need to hang onto that trio because they have the potential to be Maddox, Smoltz, and Glavine. Maybe stretching it, but they have a chance to be really good and their whole would be greater than the sum of its parts. Trading any of them would be a total reversal in Cash’s Phil-osophy and a panic move (of course IPK would be the only one he’d let go). He’s not panicking right now, so why should we? In Cash we trust. Pretty soon, other GMs will have to be satisfied with fine-tooth combing the next tier of pitchers which, according to some, has some very nice trading chips.

  25. Let a kid play 3B November 6th, 2007 at 3:40 pm

    ‘Can’t the Yanks trade for a M.L.B.-ready righthanded -hitting rookie 3B? They have the talent in the farm system to trade for one.

    Damon/Jeter/Abreu/Posada/Matsui/Cano/Cabrera/Giambi/Rookie
    LF SS RF C DH 2B CF 1B 3B
    L R L S L L S L R

    Adjust the batting order depending on what the kid does e.g. if he hits for power, bat him sixth so he splits lefties Matsui (5th) and Cano (7th) and Cabrera moves to 9th.

    Ef Crede, Rolen, and Betemit being anything more than a utility infielder who could play a little 3B.

  26. Migames November 6th, 2007 at 3:40 pm

    Man, whoever signs Arod will be one lucky team. I say lucky that the yankees and the red soxs wont be going at it, they will get arod at a reduced price.

  27. Mike R. November 6th, 2007 at 3:40 pm

    I read that there were plenty of scouts at the most recent Arizona Fall League game. Many of them were very impressed with Brett Gardner.

  28. MC Hammer/Sinead O'Connor Wrestlng Match November 6th, 2007 at 3:41 pm

    The Yankees have a third baseman, his name is Wilson Betemit.

    Glad the Yankees this year will not be a bunch of bloated spoiled boy band athletes. They should just go with what they have and be patient.

    With A-Rod’s salary gone, Andy’s gone, and Mo and Posada (please Cash, PLEASE DON’T SIGN THEM!!!)potentially off the books, do you realize how much the Yanks have trimmed payroll?!?!

    They did not win with them in the past 6 years, they can also not win without them for cheaper.

    Can someone please look up the payroll if all those guys come off the roster? Is it under $175 million?

  29. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 6th, 2007 at 3:42 pm

    Question:

    Would you rather have the Yankees sweep A-Rod on the Angels in the ALDS or beat Boston in 7 in the ALCS?

  30. Miller November 6th, 2007 at 3:43 pm

    Klev,

    Thank for reiterating what everyone on this board has been saying.

  31. CaptainsCorner November 6th, 2007 at 3:44 pm

    The Mets are just the team that Bor-ASS will use to make the Angels pay more. They always fall into his traps. The Angels is clearly where he will land.

  32. MC Hammer/Sinead O'Connor Wrestlng Match November 6th, 2007 at 3:45 pm

    And from the previous thread, here’s what I wrote:

    I think they should rebuild. I think the window to contend is closed for now.

    We need to find a successor to Posada and Mo. That is only going to come through the farm.

    Think about it, the offense shuts down in the playoffs and the pitching is crap for how many years now? That was WITH everyone aboard last year (meaning A-Rod, Posada, and Rivera).

    It does not stand to reason that it will improve by much this year, with the same cast of characters. With extended contracts MAYBE in the final year of three year contracts would Mo and Po be ale to contend with this team.

    I think letting them walk is smart, it saves money and cuts a clear path in terms of goals for player development and adds to the “war chest” for future FA signings (Santana, for example).

    Just my .02, and I am not panicked by any stretch at all.

    NO MO’ MO!
    NO MO’ PO!
    GO YANKEES!!!
    GO!
    GO!
    GO!

  33. Mike S. November 6th, 2007 at 3:46 pm

    Posada isn’t a cleanup hitter. Not at 36 going on 37. Catchers hit the wall quickly, and it’s amazing Jorge has lasted this long. I don’t want to see Jorge at cleanup.

    Gardner has been good, but no XBH. Something like 26 of his 28 hits are singles. 2 triples. Believe it or not, no doubles. Austin Jackson meanwhile, has been good in Hawaii, and the last I checked, over 1/2 of his hits are for XB. I’d bank more on Jackson than Gardner for the future.

  34. Mike R. November 6th, 2007 at 3:47 pm

    “ARod’s market is 3-4 teams: Angels, Dodgers, Giants, Cubs and maybe the Mets (and that is doubtful). Period. The rest is just Boras spin….”

    I do not agree that the Cubs are legitamte contenders for A-Rod. I would love them to be, but the sale of the team really hampers that possibility.

    I think the Tigers are real candidates. They have been Boras’ safety net before, and the way things look he might need them again.

  35. DMan November 6th, 2007 at 3:48 pm

    Nice, naming Kennedy right along with Hughes and Joba is a big statement.

    Its a GM showing he respects what all his prospects can do.

    Thats good to see.

  36. hmmm November 6th, 2007 at 3:49 pm

    “Can’t the Yanks trade for a M.L.B.-ready righthanded -hitting rookie 3B? They have the talent in the farm system to trade for one.”

    ok, name this player and who they would trade for him.

  37. No More Japanese Pitchers-- PLEASE!!!!! November 6th, 2007 at 3:49 pm

    MC Hammer/Sinead O’Connor Wrestlng Match: You’re pretty much a clueless moron. I hope that helps.

  38. mel November 6th, 2007 at 3:49 pm

    I wonder if Boras is a little disappointed that all 30 teams aren’t lining up with their checkbooks ready to bid for his client’s services.

  39. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 6th, 2007 at 3:49 pm

    HAHAHAHAHA it’s gonna be a beautiful day w/ my cup of coffee when we hear SCOTT BORAS FIRED HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA :)

  40. CaptainsCorner November 6th, 2007 at 3:49 pm

    Bor-ASS who is going to be your mystery team, continent or planet this year? Japan…Pluto??

  41. sunny615 November 6th, 2007 at 3:50 pm

    Jackson will be on the team before Gardner is. Same for Tabata (assuming he heals well). It wouldn’t surprise me if Jackson is fighting for a roster spot come 2009.

  42. Motown Yankees Fan November 6th, 2007 at 3:50 pm

    Rebecca – can’t we have both options? I guess I like the sweep of the Angels because seven game series make me insane. I kept turning the TV off during the Aaron Boone game. I did see the HR live though.

  43. saucy November 6th, 2007 at 3:51 pm

    Question:

    Would you rather have the Yankees sweep A-Rod on the Angels in the ALDS or beat Boston in 7 in the ALCS?

    i’d rather them beat the Angels

  44. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 6th, 2007 at 3:51 pm

    Sunny, Tabata is going to come out swinging like a beast now w/ now hanbone problems :)

  45. Mike R. November 6th, 2007 at 3:51 pm

    Mike S.
    November 6th, 2007 at 3:46 pm

    Posada isn’t a cleanup hitter. Not at 36 going on 37. Catchers hit the wall quickly, and it’s amazing Jorge has lasted this long. I don’t want to see Jorge at cleanup.

    Gardner has been good, but no XBH. Something like 26 of his 28 hits are singles. 2 triples. Believe it or not, no doubles. Austin Jackson meanwhile, has been good in Hawaii, and the last I checked, over 1/2 of his hits are for XB. I’d bank more on Jackson than Gardner for the future.

    I agree that Jackson’s ceiling is much higher than Gardener’s, but Gardener is closer to realizong his potential than Jackson is. I understand the usual xbh concerns, but that really isn’t Brett’s game. He is a high OBP, steal bases leadoff hitter. The guy has 14 SB in 19 games and has been caught only once.

  46. raymagnetic November 6th, 2007 at 3:51 pm

    MC Hammer/Sinead O’Connor Wrestlng Match
    November 6th, 2007 at 3:45 pm
    And from the previous thread, here’s what I wrote:

    I think they should rebuild. I think the window to contend is closed for now.

    Am I crazy or did the Yankees not make the playoffs just this year? Isn’t that contending?

  47. saucy November 6th, 2007 at 3:53 pm

    oops, i thought the question was ALCS in both cases. my mistake.

  48. PittsburghYankeeFan November 6th, 2007 at 3:53 pm

    Mo will sign. That deal is as good as done.

    Po will be interesting. Yankees final offer will be something like $42 x 3 with an incentive laden player option for year 4 (similar to his previous contract). Omar is going to go hard at him.

    Andy will likely come back, but needs a few more weeks to make up his mind.

    A-Dog will also likely come back, with his tail between his legs. Boras is counting on Cuban buying the Cubs–the owners are not going to let that happen. Cash is going to go with Betemit at 3B as the default until things sort themselves out. Damon for Crede is dumb.

  49. Mike R. November 6th, 2007 at 3:54 pm

    I would have liked for Cashman to include Horne in the “untouchable” category, not because I believe he is at the same level with the trio, but because it elevates his prospect status and gives him additional exposure.

  50. DMan November 6th, 2007 at 3:54 pm

    Jackson will be on the team before Gardner is. Same for Tabata (assuming he heals well). It wouldn’t surprise me if Jackson is fighting for a roster spot come 2009.

    Depending on the circumstances obvouisly, I wouldn’t be surprized if he gets a september call up.

  51. Mike R. November 6th, 2007 at 3:55 pm

    Ray – We are doomed. Don’t you get it? We really have to explode the team and start from scratch. In addition we should fire Girardi for that collapse in ’08.

  52. pat November 6th, 2007 at 3:56 pm

    Migames

    If A-Rod can be had at a greatly reduced price and the Yankees don’t get back in it, shame on them. It will show me that A-Rod is not the only one guilty of arrogance and putting his own agenda above the good of the team.

  53. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 6th, 2007 at 3:56 pm

    I agree that Jackson’s ceiling is much higher than Gardener’s, but Gardener is closer to realizong his potential than Jackson is. I understand the usual xbh concerns, but that really isn’t Brett’s game. He is a high OBP, steal bases leadoff hitter. The guy has 14 SB in 19 games and has been caught only once.

    as long as Gardner gets on base, be it a single or double, a high OBP % + base stealing threat is very, very valuable, I’m salivating at the thought of Melky, Action and Gardner in for defensive replacements in late innings, how many balls have a chance a dropping w/ that OF speed and athleticsm :D

  54. Laura November 6th, 2007 at 3:56 pm

    I’d rather beat the Angels in the ALDS if only because they have been a thorn in our sides for a few years now. Plus, we’d get our revenge against A-Primadonna as well. That would be sweet.

  55. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 6th, 2007 at 3:57 pm

    Motown: That would be the ideal scenario, yes,.Could you imagine? That’s be like glory glory hallelujah!

  56. raymagnetic November 6th, 2007 at 3:59 pm

    Mike R. I know the Yankees are finished for 2008 already. Heck, the Yankees are finished period. ;)

  57. Peter Abraham November 6th, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    Jay:

    I covered the Mets before I covered the Yankees. I love David Wright’s talent but he’s no second baseman. He was a HS shortstop who was moved to third shortly after he signed. He’s not quick enough to play second and the Mets aren’t going to stand there and watch him get run over trying to play it.

    The last time the Mets signed a high-priced infielder and starting changing people around, it was a disaster and nearly ruined the career of Jose Reyes. They need to be careful this time.

    They also kept Moises Alou, so he’s not playing LF this year.

  58. gayle November 6th, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    Being as Jon Heyman is the one shouting to the rafters about Arod to the Mets and Heyman is closely linked with Boras I would have to agree with Pete that it is Boras pushing this agenda. I will not believe any of the Arod stuff until I see him at the podium so to speak.

  59. Migames November 6th, 2007 at 4:02 pm

    I agree pat. The Angels must love this

  60. Mike R. November 6th, 2007 at 4:03 pm

    I think that Yanks are high on Gardner. I think that he’s the the type of player we’ve been missing in our line-up. I am cautiously excited.

  61. mel November 6th, 2007 at 4:03 pm

    Beating Boston in the ALCS automatically put the Yankees in the World Series.

    We know which 4-5 teams are in play for Alex. Which team would be the most satisfying for you guys to see Alex go to? Kind of karmic purgatory? Seattle, Texas, Marlins, Royals?

    I say Marlins. Nobody pays attention to them anyway. I bet he’d get people to come watch them play, though. I wonder if he could be payrolled by a regional sports network down there? Hmmm…

  62. AlbanyYankee November 6th, 2007 at 4:03 pm

    The Mets would not have to do what you say. Signing A-Rod is a great move for them because they could then use Jose Reyes in a package for Santana or Bedard and just put A-Rod at short. Adding A-Rod and an ace makes them dramatically better than last year’s team. Of course, they’d be taking on a ton of payroll by adding A-Rod and then having to re-sign Santana after next year.

  63. mel November 6th, 2007 at 4:06 pm

    AlbanyYankee,

    They’re not trading Reyes. Remember, he’s even better than Jeter. And he was that million-watt smile.

  64. Justin-Dawg November 6th, 2007 at 4:06 pm

    Cashman is saying the absolute right thing. It doesn’t mean that nobody is untouchable. Basically what he is saying is that it will take an absolute blowaway offer to justify giving up one of the Yankees’ young Big Three. This is his way of telling the other GMs, “those guys could be available, but you would have to knock my socks off with an offer. Otherwise I am not trading any of them.”

    The Angels are a good fit for our former third baseman. He would provide the protection that Vladimir needs. They should realize by now that they can’t get it done in the playoffs with their lack of offense.

  65. pat November 6th, 2007 at 4:07 pm

    Be careful. Some of you are beginning to sound like Red Sox fans. In the same way they are obsessed with beating the Yankees to get to the end game, you are becoming obsessed with beating A-Rod to get there.

  66. stuart November 6th, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    if the mets got afrauD and santana that is adding about $50 mill per yr to the payroll…. THAT IS A TON OF MOOLAH……….

    reyes is a very good player who had a bad 2nd half of the yr. but is real young, talented, and cheap…….

  67. randy l. November 6th, 2007 at 4:10 pm

    it’s great to hold onto kids, but major league baseball isn’t a 30 and under league. there are a lot of veteran players out there over thirty who will kick the yankees butt if cashman goes too far with the youth movement.
    the red sox right now have a successful blend of young and old. i can’t say the same for the yankees.

  68. #9 November 6th, 2007 at 4:10 pm

    “Cash is brilliant.”

    Yes – but I prefer his American recordings work with Rick Rubin in his later years than hie Sun recordings stuff.

  69. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 6th, 2007 at 4:10 pm

    Stuart that is also wraping it up in the NL

  70. Eric November 6th, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    Something tells me that A-Rod will be taking the Yanks arbitration offer.

  71. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 6th, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    I still want Kazmir :(

  72. SJ44 November 6th, 2007 at 4:12 pm

    The Cubs don’t have their ownership situation settled.

    The leader for in the clubhouse for the Cubs is Bud Selig’s best friend.

    Do you think the new owner of the Cubs is going to tick off his best friend by authorizing the Tribune Corporation (the present owners) to sign Arod to a record contract?

    Ain’t happenin’.

    He has 2 teams right now. Giants and Angels.

    I don’t buy the Red Sox and Mets talk. That’s all Boras and his minions leaking to the media hoping to draw the Yankees back into the fray.

    The Dodgers? After Boras hosed them with JD Drew last year, I’ll believe they are in when I see Arod put on a Dodgers cap the day he signs. The Dodgers HATE Scott Boras.

    I also have my doubts about the Angels. Arte Moreno talks a good game. However, I don’t see him giving up 30% of his payroll for one guy with Vlad’s deal almost up. It goes against their model and business plan.

    The Giants? Its his most likely landing spot because they have the money, the need (Peter McGowan self financed his ballpark. He needs a drawing card to be able to continue to make his debt service payments) and SF is a great city for Cynthia to shop until she drops. Yes, its a consideration.

    Boras miscalcuated here. He has misread just how much people in the industry dislike he and his client. Mainly, for that WS stunt.

    The entire industry is awash with money. Every team, even the Marlins and DRays, are making money hand over fist.

    When owners make money, very, very few of them want to put it back into their teams. Its what has made Steinbrenner’s Yankees so unique all these years.

    The only team that NEEDS Arod, from a business perspective, are the Giants. Everybody else can get by (business-wise) without him.

    Its going to be interesting to see how Scott cleans up the mess he created last week. If he can’t clean it up, his client isn’t going to be happy with the results.

  73. CaptainsCorner November 6th, 2007 at 4:13 pm

    This is how it will go down with the Angels. Bor-ASS and them will negioate and he will tell them they need to offer more money because he has other teams giving more, they will tell him no you dont. Then Bor-ASS will realize that he doesnt and the Angels will get Arod for less money then the Yanks were offering. There is no way he gets more or close to what the Yanks package was, about $250m.

  74. mel November 6th, 2007 at 4:13 pm

    Eric,

    Please! NOOOO! Although that would be rich.

    Brandon,

    I think the only Kazmir you’ll be getting this winter is a cashmere sweater under the tree.

  75. kd November 6th, 2007 at 4:13 pm

    What players would Cashman consider trading one of the big three for? Santana? Pujols?

  76. Ducky Bent November 6th, 2007 at 4:15 pm

    A-Rod ends up with the Sox with a creative contract that’ll make us Yankee fans jealous with envy. Theo has a knack for getting things done in Boston’s favor.

  77. Mike S. November 6th, 2007 at 4:15 pm

    I saw Gardner a couple of times at Scranton. Maybe I hit him on a bad day, but in one game he got a terrible jump and then made a terrible throw. Just saying. I could see him as trade bait, though. The kid does have great speed, but I can’t see a Juan Pierre type on the Yanks.

    You aren’t having three outfielders in Melky, Jackson and Gardner in which two of them have little to no power. Hopefully Jackson (21 next year) develops his more, but I can’t see all three sticking. Throw in Tabata and I really think someone is dealt, and that someone, I think, will be Gardner. Yes, Gardner is 14 of 15 in SB in Arizona, but Jackson is 8 for 8 in Hawaii.

    Just my opinion.

  78. SJ44 November 6th, 2007 at 4:18 pm

    You will never have a good blend of old and young if you trade young for old.

    The Yankees have an excellent mix between old and young among the pitching staff. With more younger guys on the horizon.

    Position players? 2008 is “moving season” in that regard. Hopefully, the position guys will begin to knock on the door in 2008.

    We’ve seen guys like Cano, Cabrera and Shelley Duncan begin contribute. Its now time for the next “generation” to make their move.

    Brett Gardner, Austin Jackson, Juan Miranda, Jose Tabata and Bronson Sardihna (whom Mattingly really likes) are all guys who may be knocking on the door during the 2008 season.

    Obviously, you don’t keep everybody. But, the more depth you have, the more options become available. That’s the long term goal.

  79. sunny615 November 6th, 2007 at 4:18 pm

    I would have to really wonder about Arod landing with the Giants. They already have one bad monster contract with Zito, so it would really surprise me if the Peter Magowan hamstrung his team again by tying up a huge chunk of their payroll into two players. I’m not saying they wouldn’t do it, but it would be pretty darn foolish.

  80. kd November 6th, 2007 at 4:18 pm

    SJ, I happen to agree with your assessment. In the case that the Angels drop out and Arod is faced with the decision of arbitration (and likely $30 mill) from the Yankees or the Giants, what do you think he does? My gut tells me he tells the media that with Mo and Posada back (and hopefully Pettitte) that’s where he wanted to be all along and comes back. He’d be lonely in the club house, but it’s not like he’s ever been the most popular amongst players anyway.

  81. Laura November 6th, 2007 at 4:19 pm

    A-Fraud is not going to accept our arbitration offer. By now, he knows that he has so thoroughly pissed off Yankees fans that there is nothing he can do that will repair the damage. Let him be an Angel. He’ll be the most famous Angel ever. Good for him.

  82. mel November 6th, 2007 at 4:19 pm

    kd,

    I don’t think that Cashman is looking to trade. He won’t give up talent for Santana who’s almost a free agent. I think he’s trying to send the message, “Stop wasting my time by coming to me with your ridiculous rubbish offers that involve my big three.”

    He didn’t give any of them up for Teixeira (or Gagne lol), why would he give them up for Cabrera? (I know, Alex left a gaping crater at 3B, but still)

  83. Mike R. November 6th, 2007 at 4:20 pm

    Ducky Bent
    November 6th, 2007 at 4:15 pm

    A-Rod ends up with the Sox with a creative contract that’ll make us Yankee fans jealous with envy. Theo has a knack for getting things done in Boston’s favor.

    Really? Jealous with envy? As opposed to jealous with rage? Jealous with joy?

    The sox are not interested in A-Rod and with good reason. Everyone wants him, but almost nobody wants him enough to give him that much money for that many years.

  84. Migames November 6th, 2007 at 4:21 pm

    between an 8 year contract and accepting arbitration. Arod goes with the contract. Everyone would.

  85. SJ44 November 6th, 2007 at 4:21 pm

    Did Theo have that same “knack” when he spent almost 200 million dollars (counting posting fees) on Dice-K, Drew and Lugo?

    Talk about overpaying for average talent.

    The Beckett deal wasn’t even done by Theo. It was done by Mike Port, when Theo was on his sabbatical.

    The Gagne deal at the deadline also wasn’t such a great deal for Theo.

    Let’s not get carried away with Theo and his “knack” for doing deals.

    The deal that pushed the Sox to the WS this year wasn’t even made by him. The deals that were made by him this off-season? Iffy, at best.

  86. Mike S. November 6th, 2007 at 4:23 pm

    Mattingly liked Sardinha? I know he had a good ST last year, but between Trenton and Scranton, Sardinha has not shown me much. I see several Trenton and Scranton games per year.

    I can say that Eric Duncan has never shown me much.

    As for Juan Miranda, he is about .294-4-15 right now in Arizona.

  87. Laura November 6th, 2007 at 4:23 pm

    KD,

    You are off point on this one. I think that A-Liar did improve his relationships with his teammates this year. I mean, the guy carried them on his back for the first few months of the year. They may not have liked him (deep down), but they were grateful that he saved their butts. I think that Melky and Cano worshipped him, Abreu and Damon were in awe of him and Jeter was finally able to tolerate him. He had a good thing going and he threw it away for cash. He could have had his name mentioned in the same breath as Ruth, Gehrig and Mantle. Instead, his name is dirt around these parts. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: A-Dog is dead to me. As far as I’m concerned, he never even played for the Yankees. He was playing for himself. Loser.

  88. Mike in RI November 6th, 2007 at 4:23 pm

    mel, I can’t believe that you would actually think Reyes is better than Jeter, even now. You can’t account for the intangibles he brings to the team. When things got tough down the stretch, Reyes pouted. That’s not how a great player handles himself.

  89. CaptainsCorner November 6th, 2007 at 4:23 pm

    Payrod is all about the $$$$$$$$. He probably dreams about it or even sleeps in bags of it. There is no way he would leave some $200m on the table and sign a one year $30m deal. He would take the $200m from anywhere!! The Giants, Marlins, Royals anywhere!!!

  90. mel November 6th, 2007 at 4:24 pm

    Alex would rather die than accept arbitration. boras would never let a third party decide what Alex is worth.

  91. kd November 6th, 2007 at 4:25 pm

    I doubt the Giants offer arod 30 mill/year. That would be paying arod and zito 48 million of a 80 to 90 million payroll. not even peter mcgowan is that stupid

  92. SJ44 November 6th, 2007 at 4:25 pm

    San Francisco is a different kind of baseball market. Fans there don’t care about winning. They want to be entertained.

    They would like to win but, its not like Boston and New York. If they don’t win, but are entertained, they are happy. That’s why it was the perfect market for Bonds. They revered him, even though he never won.

    Peter McGowan is on the hook for huge dollars because he is paying the entire freight for his ballpark. When it sells out, he can pay his bills. When/if it doesn’t, he can’t pay his bills.

    Its worth it to him to overpay for Arod. Is it worth it to Arod to get into another Texas situation? No but, as we have seen, he follows Boras’ lead.

    If Boras says is SF, SF it is for Arod.

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  94. mel November 6th, 2007 at 4:27 pm

    Mike,

    LOL, that was sarcasm. A little dig at Willy Randolph. Reyes hit that wall like a Porsche hitting a barrier at 120MPH. As talented as Jeter is and as easy as he makes it look, Jeter also works hard (when he’s not entertaining). That’s what Reyes needs to learn.

  95. Joe from Long Island November 6th, 2007 at 4:27 pm

    Some thoughts:
    1. The Mets sniff but don’t touch ARod. Not only is it a lot of money, but the controversy and circus that would surround Alex and his family (Remember the T-shirt saga?) would be too much for Fred Wilpon.

    2. The Red Sox won’t bite, either. Not only is Lowell cheaper, but I’ve read that John Henry is having financial problems (his hedge fund taking a big hit, and a costly divorce; though I will admit that I don’t really follow this stuff too closely).

    3. I really can’t stand listening to M&MD. If they don’t have a good interview going, it’s painful. It’s amazing how they can – without any doubt, and sometimes without any knowledge of the situation – predict athletic performances for 2008.

  96. Migames November 6th, 2007 at 4:28 pm

    “San Francisco is a different kind of baseball market. Fans there don’t care about winning. They want to be entertained.

    They would like to win but, its not like Boston and New York. If they don’t win, but are entertained, they are happy.”

    Wow, talk about a generalized comment.

  97. NJ November 6th, 2007 at 4:29 pm

    And A-Rods price just goes down, down, down.

  98. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 6th, 2007 at 4:30 pm

    Yankees interested in LHP Hitoki Iwase

    IDK about this :(

  99. Joe from Long Island November 6th, 2007 at 4:30 pm

    Migames – it’s also an accurate comment. I’ve spent some time in SF, and it’s a pretty shallow place. And I don’t mean the bay.

  100. A-Hype November 6th, 2007 at 4:30 pm

    ARod will wither in SF. He’s be intentionally walked 150 times a year. That will put him into a batting funk.

    Barry Bonds is many things, but no matter how teams tried to “cool” him at the plate, he always remained focused. I see ARod quickly falling into boredom.

  101. Joey Vegas November 6th, 2007 at 4:32 pm

    Not trying to say they’re easy to find, but a MLB-ready rookie 3B I’ve been thinking about is Andy Marte of the Indians. Not sure if he got hurt or fell out of favor but they seem to be moving ahead with Blake at third and Gutierrez in right. Any chance Marte would be available or adequate?

  102. #9 November 6th, 2007 at 4:32 pm

    Still do not rule out Red Sox in ARod bid:

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7413882

  103. CaptainsCorner November 6th, 2007 at 4:33 pm

    Brandon:

    That’s exciting!!! I guess Igawa needs a friend in the minors.

  104. Dee November 6th, 2007 at 4:33 pm

    Good news about the kids. Cash now pelase keep your words.

    “Theo Epstein said Boston’s priority is signing Mike Lowell. What about A-Rod at shortstop? “We have a shortstop,” he said.”

    I’m not surprised Boston won’t go for him but a little pleasantly surprised that Theo is not spinning interests just to stir the pot and drive us crazy. With us and the Sox out, guess one lucky NL team is gonna buy themselves a $32mill/yr player who can’t even DH at age 40 (or 42!)

    “With A-Rod’s salary gone, Andy’s gone, and Mo and Posada (please Cash, PLEASE DON’T SIGN THEM!!!)potentially off the books, do you realize how much the Yanks have trimmed payroll?!?!”

    MC Hammer – what are you talking about? What’s the point of trimming salary if we can’t win games??

    “Would you rather have the Yankees sweep A-Rod on the Angels in the ALDS or beat Boston in 7 in the ALCS?”

    Rebecca – Definitely Boston in 7. Plus by winning the ALCS we or someone else would have knocked out Angels by then or better yet Arod’s team doesn’t even make the PO. If he’s with an NL team and makes it to the WS you know we’ll kick their ass. Anyway if Arod goes with the Giants, their chance of going to the WS next yr is still close to none.

  105. SJ44 November 6th, 2007 at 4:37 pm

    IIRC, Andy Marte may be a minor league FA. I think he has had six years in the minors.

    I remember watching an Indians game earlier in the year and their announcers were talking about them having to make a decision on Marte.

    He really hasn’t panned out. The Braves thought he would be an all star. He isn’t good defensively and his swing got awfully long in the last year.

  106. Mike R. November 6th, 2007 at 4:42 pm

    I wouldn’t mind the Yankees taking a stab at a Japanese reliever as long as the scout him themselves and don’t depend on a third party to evaluate the talent like they did with Igawa. Okajima turned out alright.

  107. SJ44 November 6th, 2007 at 4:43 pm

    Ken Rosenthal=Scott Boras shill. Boras himself could have written that note. He may have.

    If Arod goes to Boston, that will be the biggest mistake he has ever made in his career.

    If he thought NY was tough, and didn’t like getting blamed for the Yankees failures in the post-season, how do you think its going to work for him in Boston?

    New York was a place where the fans wanted to like Arod and he got mixed reviews. They HATE him in Boston. The media hates him. The Red Sox front office (with the exception of Lucchino) hates him. Most of the guys on their team hate him.

    If he signs there, and they don’t win, ‘ya think he won’t get blamed for it?

    Not even Arod is dumb enough to put himself into that powder keg.

  108. Phil November 6th, 2007 at 5:06 pm

    Dee

    it’s about winning, not about having the lowest payroll.

  109. KLev November 6th, 2007 at 5:07 pm

    SJ 44: you couldn’t be more right. They hate him in Boston. They hate Jeter too, but because he was a winner and they liked to think their guy was better, remember back in day: “No’mah’s betta.” ARod hate is a whole different order. They don’t want him. Sure, Manny’s got one year left, and they’d love a bat to pair with Big Papi, but I don’t buy that they’re buying…

  110. Dee November 6th, 2007 at 5:08 pm

    SJ said: “Boras miscalcuated here. He has misread just how much people in the industry dislike he and his client. Mainly, for that WS stunt…..

    Its going to be interesting to see how Scott cleans up the mess he created last week. If he can’t clean it up, his client isn’t going to be happy with the results.”

    Can you guys see Arod firing Boras? I know they’ve been together since he was 17 and all. I wonder if Arod reads stuff online and hears that everyone is bashing him and teams are dropping out.

  111. S.o.S.27 November 6th, 2007 at 5:11 pm

    I was reading today that teams might be going after Orlando Hudson. How about trading a Horne and Ohlendorf or some other package for Hudson. Stick him at second, move Cano to third. He has speed,great glove and hits for average. Thoughts?

  112. S.o.S.27 November 6th, 2007 at 5:16 pm

    Someone is going to give A headcase big money. I also think he will be in Alcatraz. They kept Bonds to sell tickets, now that he’s gone they need a big name player. If they were dumb enough to overpay for a pitcher. What makes us think they wont pay for a big hitter. Its a business and they want to sell tickets. The only way to attract people to S.F.is to over pay. Plus if you can recall A bum made plenty of comments this year about how he liked it there this year.

  113. G. Love November 6th, 2007 at 5:18 pm

    Boras will clean up this mess. He always does. He always finds one sucker that buys into his schemes.

    Arod will not take less than the Yankees were offering. Even it’s only a dollar more, Boras will make sure of that.

    I still think he’ll find someone dumb enough to do 10 years at 30 million for 300 million.

    Best of luck to the team that commits to that lunacy.

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  115. Drive 4-5 November 6th, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    The Yankees have a glaring hole and no one players in their organization remotely capable of filling it. Wilson Betemit?? Puleeze.

    I’ll probably be run out of here on a rail, but why not give up a Phil Hughes or Ian Kennedy in a trade for Miguel Cabrera? Cabrera is 24 and fills the Yankees’ need for a legitimate right handed power bat. I loved the guts Phil Hughes showed in the ALDS, but his fastball is average. He is not going to become the next Josh Beckett. There is a chance his trade value will never be higher

    They could then play Cabrera in left and trade Damon for a 3rd baseman if they so choose.

    They could also make Cabrera into a first baseman. First base is traditionally a power/rbi production spot in a lineup.Last year the Yanks got relatively little power production out of their first basemen. They could afford to sacrifice at first base because they received above average production at 2nd base and 3rd base. With a power hitting first baseman like Cabrera in their lineup, they would simply be shifting the prodction from 3rd base to 1st base.

    The Yankees are going to have to give up something from their farm system if they want to win the AL East. It’s as simple as that.

  116. gargoyle November 6th, 2007 at 5:34 pm

    Theo is giving lip service to re-signing Lowell just to mollify the fans so he can say “we tried.” They’re not going to give Lowell 3 or 4 years. It’s just not what they do.

    ARod will be playing 3B in Fenway in 2008.

  117. Marshmallow Salesman November 6th, 2007 at 5:46 pm

    “The entire industry is awash with money. Every team, even the Marlins and DRays, are making money hand over fist.”

    Sure, but that’s George Steinbrenner’s rightfully-earned money they’re making hand-over fist. Welfare teams like that ought to serve borscht alongside their hot dogs.

  118. jankek's ghost November 6th, 2007 at 5:52 pm

    all this talk about trading for miguel cabrera is just silly. cabrera would cost a LOT in terms of prospects (Hughes+Tabata+Horne, or so) and, at the rate he’s been eating, will look like prince fielder in two years. sure, sure, fielder can hit–and no one doubts cabrera’s ability with the bat–but can you imagine fielder playing third base? cabrera may change and dedicate himself to losing wait and staying in better shape, but there’s no guarantee of that, and $18mil/season–which is what he’s going to get paid by the time the 2009 season rolls around–is only going to make him feel LESS inclined to improve himself. NO, no. If the yanks want cabrera, they should just wait and sign him as a FA after the 2008 season, make him their DH. cabrera may look good on paper, but he looks bad in a bathing suit. and i just don’t think that a guy who looks bad in a bathing suit is going to be able to play 3B in the major leagues (PS cabrera is already a below-average defender at 3B…anyone out there think he’s going to get better as he gains girth?)

  119. Ed FL November 6th, 2007 at 5:57 pm

    SJ44,
    Let me ask a question.If A-Rod does not get his PRICE,can he come back to the Yankees for one year?. Remember Cashman has said the Yankees will offer arbitration to A-Rod in order to get additional draft picks.If A-Rod accepts arbitration, the Yankees have to take him back.Maybe Cashman is not in a hurry to get a third baseman but a first baseman i.e Miguel Cabrera can play first.Then Boras would have an extra year to clean this mess and get a team to sign A-Rod.

  120. Drive 4-5 November 6th, 2007 at 5:57 pm

    janek’s ghost,

    why not try cabrera at 1st base. He fits the body type now.

  121. Doreen November 6th, 2007 at 5:58 pm

    Boston has a shortstop like we had a centerfielder in Bubba Crosby. Everything with a grain of salt, guys. No one’s going to give up their game plan until they have to.

  122. Brendon November 6th, 2007 at 6:02 pm

    I could deal Melky but that is all. The only reason I say this is, Tabata and Jackson look pretty good.

    I really like cash for saying that he won’t trade Joba, Phil or Ian.

  123. Brendon November 6th, 2007 at 6:03 pm

    If only we could find someone to take Giambi’s contract.

  124. Steven November 6th, 2007 at 6:03 pm

    With so many ARod bidders pushing away from the table Boras must be happy about Alex’s midseason praise of the Angels (his last and only option). I’ll laugh when he becomes the offseason’s “blue light special” and wishes he’d taken the Yankees October phone calls. Maybe Gordon Gecko was wrong… greed isn’t good.

    Does anyone know what Cashman’s text back to Boras said when he notified him about the opt-out? I still can’t believe he texted him the decision. Classy guy.

    Hot stove idea. How ’bout Damon for Tejada (and move him to 3rd)?

  125. Drive 4-5 November 6th, 2007 at 6:04 pm

    Doreen,

    I think Julio Lugo’s $9mil salary makes him pretty hard to move though, dont you?

    If there was a worst signing in ’06 than giving Julio Lugo $36 mil it might have been guaranteeing Joel Pinero $4.25mil

  126. Steven November 6th, 2007 at 6:05 pm

    or the money they threw at Nancy Drew

  127. S.o.S.27 November 6th, 2007 at 6:08 pm

    I say call the A’s and ask them if they want to take Giambi. We eat half his contract. It would cost them less than what Frank Thomas cost.

    Hot stove idea. How ’bout Damon for Tejada (and move him to 3rd)?

    Lost alot of power(hgh)and is not that good fielding. Beltre would be a better bet. Maybe look into encarnacion from the Reds.

  128. Amol November 6th, 2007 at 6:24 pm

    The really silly thing about even considering a Damon for Crede trade is that I can’t see Crede as an upgrade over Wilson Betemit. Sure, Crede’s shown a lot more power than Betemit, but Betemit gets on base a lot more. Betemit’s also four years younger, which means he’s more likely to improve, especially if he gets a regular gig, which he’s never had before. Plus, Crede’s power isn’t going to be the same if he leaves the home run friendly US Cellular Field to Yankee Stadium and it’s deep left field.

    I’m not saying Betemit’s the ideal solution, but Crede’s worse.

  129. S.o.S.27 November 6th, 2007 at 6:32 pm

    Betemet needs to lose some weight and also work on his hitting from I believe the right side. He has potential but we already have a weekness at first. I dont think they will go with a bench player in both position. Yankees dont go for rebuilding only reloading.

  130. Alvin November 6th, 2007 at 6:47 pm

    On MMD they were talking about a Melky+Kennedy+Jackson trade for Miguel Cabrera+Dontrelle Willis. What do you guys think of this offer?

    Dontrelle has DRASTICALLY underperformed these last two years, and the Marlins are looking sell him cheap. I the Yankees need to look into some kind of Cabrera+Dontrelle trade seriously because it fills two of their holes. Maybe not the one above, but those two kids are some kind of talented.

  131. Master Wangkee November 6th, 2007 at 6:51 pm

    Peter, I put your analysis on my blog. Thank you for following up on the Crede rumor.

    To me it sounds almost like the Yankees and ChiSox are posturing over the money involved in the Crede/Damon deal. The Yankees probably want the ChiSox to absorb Damon’s full salary and their argument is that Damon’s a better player than Crede. Meanwhile the ChiSox are ‘gauging’ the market for Crede and crying poor.

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    Phil – That’s exactly what I said to MC Hammer:
    “MC Hammer – what are you talking about? What’s the point of trimming salary if we can’t win games??”

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