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Johnny Damon joins the party

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 07, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Johnny Damon, the pride of Orlando, stopped by today at the behest of Joe Girardi. The two had a chance to talk and according to Damon, it was all positive. The Yankees want Damon as their LF and DH and to hit leadoff.

(Meaning that if Joe Crede is coming to New York, it’s not for Johnny Damon)

Damon also expressed hope that Alex Rodriguez will come to some sort of deal with the Yankees. Johnny has tried calling Alex and hasn’t received a call back. The “Can’t Get A Call Back from A-Rod” list is a long one: Hank, Hal, Cash, Cano and now Damon.

Miami must have poor cell service.

 
 

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216 Responses to “Johnny Damon joins the party”

  1. nate c. November 7th, 2007 at 1:42 pm

    wow. a rod is something special.

    Peter – is he just held up in his house? Only taking calls from Boras?

  2. Jersey yanks fan November 7th, 2007 at 1:43 pm

    I’m detecting a little sarcasm in that last line there Pete.

  3. Matt (In Toronto) November 7th, 2007 at 1:43 pm

    i dont want arod back. especially after he cannot take the time to call back a teammate (cano), now 2, in damon.

  4. MoPoRo November 7th, 2007 at 1:44 pm

    Too bad A-Rod is such a cancer in the clubhouse… lol

  5. Phil November 7th, 2007 at 1:47 pm

    Getting ARod back is a lot better than trading a bunch of prospects to replace him.

  6. DMan November 7th, 2007 at 1:48 pm

    Just more proof on how much of a two-face Arod must really be..

    He had the fans, media and now apprently Damon fooled.

    He made everybody thinking he loved it in New York and couldn’ imagine playing anywhere else.. We’ve all heard that post game interview..

  7. Emobacca November 7th, 2007 at 1:49 pm

    Its about time AFraud emerges from his bunker

  8. Frank Marco November 7th, 2007 at 1:51 pm

    such a shame that Arod won’t return their calls…..what a jerk.

    I’m glad Damon is staying!

  9. Andy November 7th, 2007 at 1:52 pm

    A-Rod is such a cancer they won 90+ games for 4 yrs and made the playoffs every year.

    How about getting some pitching?

  10. jennifer- congrats JOE G November 7th, 2007 at 1:53 pm

    afraud was sunning himself in the Caymans this weekend. I just hope it wasn’t on a rock for the media to snap pictures. :)

  11. sunny615 November 7th, 2007 at 1:54 pm

    big surprise.

    can’t wait to hear boras blame himself for arod’s ignoring his teammates.
    “I stole arod’s cell phone.”

  12. We Miss Paulie November 7th, 2007 at 1:55 pm

    Man, Arod sure has a knack for burning bridges.

  13. Crawling Back November 7th, 2007 at 1:56 pm

    oh…A-Fraud ????….A-FRAUD ???….come out, come out wherever you are !!!!…as much as it pains me to agree with ANYTHING Steve Phillips says……24 and one is exactly it….wherever he lands this year….I hope his teammates give him the cold shoulder ALL FREAKIN’ YEAR !…The jerk is an egomaniac and needs a reality check….DUDE…you are a baseball PLAYER…you PLAY A GAME for a living….get over yourself @$$-MAN !

  14. sunny615 November 7th, 2007 at 1:57 pm

    hopefully, the next bridge will have a nice puddle of gasoline that arod can stand in when he goes to light this bridge with his torch.

  15. S.o.S.27 November 7th, 2007 at 1:57 pm

    That should tell us all that A-RUDE wont accept arbitration. He knows he doesnt have to see those faces again in the clubhouse. So why would he care.

  16. sunny615 November 7th, 2007 at 1:58 pm

    ps – I’m glad to hear Damon is staying.

  17. marc November 7th, 2007 at 2:00 pm

    I notice Jeter’s name was not on the call list.

  18. THE SAINT November 7th, 2007 at 2:02 pm

    why don’t try shelley duncan or jose tabata at third

  19. nate c. November 7th, 2007 at 2:03 pm

    marc – i think jeter is glad to see him go. when mike and dog asked jeter last week he said something to the effect of ‘yeah, it doesn’t sound like he’ll be back’ haha. then again, he doesn’t get involved in anyone elses business

  20. S.o.S.27 November 7th, 2007 at 2:04 pm

    sunny-“I stole arod’s cell phone.”

    He didnt steel the phone. A DUCK was on the other line but the call was dropped.

    Verizon is comming out with a commercial of him having noone behind him(other service) and Cashman having Verizon and that croud thats always in it.

  21. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 7th, 2007 at 2:04 pm

    Marc, he’d take the personal flight and stick the cell up Jete’s … ;)

  22. gayle November 7th, 2007 at 2:05 pm

    Has there evber been a party Johnny Damon doesnt join. In terms of Arod not returning calls it really does boggle the mind especially the ones from his teamates. Damon I am sure has the super secret numbers as well being as they have the same agent.

  23. Chris November 7th, 2007 at 2:07 pm

    My boss is actually in the Bahamas this week at one of the high end resorts there. He saw A-Rod in the gym with his wife watching. The cell phone service IS bad there, even with a world band Blackberry 8830. Now, I’m sure A-Rod wouldn’t return the calls anyway….

  24. J-Dawg November 7th, 2007 at 2:07 pm

    It’s good that Damon will most likely be back. He could still be traded, but it will take much more in return than that White Sox third baseman. Damon really started to come on late in the season and I think that he can make that kind of impact right away if he reports to Spring Training in shape.

    As far as Rodriguez goes, it’s crystal clear that he has no interest in returning, so it is time to move on and find another solution at third base. Maybe he either lost his cell phone or forgot to pay his bill. At any rate, so long.

  25. John in Ohio November 7th, 2007 at 2:09 pm

    Big year coming up from Damon….watch.

  26. Terence D November 7th, 2007 at 2:10 pm

    I still think A-Rod is playing 3b for the Yanks on Opening Day ’08.

  27. S.o.S.27 November 7th, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    A HOLE favorite 5 list
    1.his wife
    2.Bor-a$$
    3.Penella
    4.Michael Young
    5.His hook i mean his personal trainer

    So there you have it, Damon and Cano havnt moved up the rankings yet to get their calls answered.

  28. long time November 7th, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    interesting Damon was with Boras yesterday and wonders why Arod won’t return his phone calls also wish Arod would reconsider and sign with Yanks What a bunch of crap. this is going to be a fun month coming up. It is going to get real wild. The back pedalling begins

  29. marc November 7th, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    Jeter is an honest man. His silence speaks volumes.

  30. Jeremy November 7th, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    Why the Yankees would want Damon to DH is a mystery, especially when two superior DHs in Giambi and Matsui. Damon does not hit well enough to justify giving him the DH spot except in emergencies.

  31. murphydog November 7th, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    Boras strategy number one is to separate the negotiating player from his teammates and former management precisely because he does not want his clients swayed by non-economic factors, like friendship, loyalty, fun, (“ain’t pinstripes great?”) mom or apple pie. Not that I think A-Rod has a heart that could be touched by a guy like Damon. As far as I’m concerned he seems like he could have played the Tinman in this year’s Rookie Costume Party. But the non-returned calls are strategy. That it makes A-Rod look like a creep is the price he pays for brass knuckle negotiations.

  32. sunny615 November 7th, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    I would think Damon DH’s as an occassional rest option… not full time – where Matsui would sit in left and Giambi PH’s.

  33. hmmm November 7th, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    “In terms of Arod not returning calls it really does boggle the mind especially the ones from his teamates. ”

    no it doesn’t.

    it’s straight from the Boras playbook.

    isolate your client. cut off all emotional ties.

    once you can start to see yourself in another uniform, you are ready to make the most money possible.

    ironically enough, this is the same strategy Boras used to convince Damon to come to the Yankees. everything was done behind the scenes. Boras notified the Red Sox by email after everything was done. he didn’t give them a chance to negotiate and the Red Sox were fairly stunned when it happened.

    sound familiar?

  34. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 7th, 2007 at 2:15 pm

    marc
    November 7th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
    Jeter is an honest man. His silence speaks volumes.

    yeh that silence spoke loud for the 2 weeks Torre was on standby, atleast we know he steps up for a steroid using DH/1B

  35. Jake November 7th, 2007 at 2:15 pm

    Screw A-Rod, let him go find a deal for less money from some other idiot franchise that is willing to let their club be dictated by the self-conscious, constantly in need of coddling world that is Alex Rodriguez.

    Damon, turn your phone off and shut your mouth. Let him go. Funny thing is, Boras probably told him to call A-Rod as they share the same agent. Boras realizes he screwed up and is attempting to circumvent as much by getting the Yankees back in to play.

    Boo-Ras and Screw-Rod

  36. murphydog November 7th, 2007 at 2:16 pm

    A-Rod is supposed to be out of the country I think – - some island. Makes no sense for him to stick around now.

    As for Jeter, I think now everybody sees why the friendship cooled.

  37. Pepper Brooks November 7th, 2007 at 2:17 pm

    Miami must have poor cell service.

    Arod hid his phone in the bra of the Toronto blond. She kept it as collateral for his return visit later in the year. Local authorities are looking for the suspect so that the phone can be returned to its rightful owner.

  38. Yanksrule57 November 7th, 2007 at 2:18 pm

    A-Rod and Boras have a plan. A-rod lets Boras do all the media and keeps himself out of sight. We won’t see Alex again until Boras has a deal signed.
    As far as not returning teamates calls, well, he is just showing what kind of person he really is.
    Any team that plans on trying to sign him should know by now what type of person they are getting. Remember before he signed with Texas the stories that came out from the Mets regarding special considerations he wanted?
    They talked about him having his own concession tent and being able to pocket the income from the sales of A-rod items among other things.
    The Met’s got spooked and to cover themselves with their fan base they put the details of the negotiations in the press.
    I hope they learned their lesson from that experience.
    I don’t normally enjoy seeing people go through difficult times but I can’t help but enjoy the thought of A-rod finding no teams willing to pay him more than the Yanks offered.

  39. marc November 7th, 2007 at 2:18 pm

    Did anyone ever see how Jete handles Kim Jones after a game.
    “I tell you this after every game, WINNING is the only thing that matters,” “numbers don’t matter to me,” “I didn’t know I passed so and so on the hit list.” He is the
    absolute best and someday will manage this team. He is bigger than Mattingly.

  40. murphydog November 7th, 2007 at 2:20 pm

    Maybe Damon is helping Boras create market demand in NY. Even though he’s not management, he still wears the uniform and is making it seem like his former teammates want a write-in ballot for 3d base so they can get him back.

    Steady, now. Keep your eyes on the Captain boys, not the left fielder.

  41. marc November 7th, 2007 at 2:22 pm

    Torre should have been gone after 06. Jeter has too much class to speak out. He knows his place.

  42. ATM Support November 7th, 2007 at 2:22 pm

    If you were in A-Rod’s position with the opt out, would you return phone calls from other players who you might let know how you feel about things?

    Damon would probably tell what they talked about, what he thought on the matter. Same with Cano. You know the reporters would ask, and they would tell.

    How the heck do any of you know what A-Rod thinks? How do any of you know that he hasn’t spoken to some of the other players from the Yankees? Because they have said they haven’t heard? What better way to keep a private conversation private. Nope, didn’t speak to him, but I did call. That stops the inquiry right there.

  43. Stuck In Queens November 7th, 2007 at 2:22 pm

    Guys… I just called him and got through.

    He’s only taking T-mobile calls cause he’s running low on minutes.

  44. gayle November 7th, 2007 at 2:23 pm

    Marc imho will never manange he is more then owner type. also why would he manage if you look at most managers they were never big name players who had made lots of money they are mostly big name players who never made the money (yogi) average players who never made the money (scoiscia, Torre) or career players hwo had no impact

  45. murphydog November 7th, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    ATM: By your logic, why would the other players even say they called but didn’t get a call back? It just makes A-rod look bad.

  46. Paul9 November 7th, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    Maybe he can’t afford roaming charges until he signs his next deal

  47. DHC November 7th, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    Damon is the Golden Lab of ball players.

    What breeds are the other guys?

  48. Doug November 7th, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    I wonder how we will react when APod hit his first hr on opening day for the Yanks

  49. OhPlease November 7th, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    Why would he admit speaking with A-Rod even if he had. The inquisition he would get in the lobby of the Hotel could be dangerous to guests. They share an agent so I’m sure there’s a way for them to communicate.

    For 4 years everyone told A-Rod to shut up. Now he has and you’re complaining about that. A-Rod should not tell any one anything. Too many unnamed sources already. No need for named ones.

  50. Migames November 7th, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    “Jeter has too much class to speak out. He knows his place”

    This is just an example of the stuff that I find funny. Do we really know jeter? Do we really know that he wanted torre gone in 06? Do we really no arod? Are we basing our opinions of jeter and arod based on what they have said to kim jones and company?

    These guys are businessmen. They make more money than all of us make put together. There is no way of knowing whats in the soul of these folks. Its just speculation and what peter gammons writes. Lets not claim that we know the players and what type of people they are, cause we dont.

  51. Lauren November 7th, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    Hi Pete,

    Again, great coverage this week.

    Any rumblings or speculation about what Theo ‘Boy Wonder’ Epstein offered Lowell?

    Thanks!

  52. BBB endorses Beltre for '08 3b November 7th, 2007 at 2:26 pm

    Three cheers for Damon staying. Great news. Hopefully it also means no Crede.

  53. murphydog November 7th, 2007 at 2:26 pm

    Doug:

    Put down the crack pipe and step away from the couch ; )

  54. marc November 7th, 2007 at 2:27 pm

    gayle…youve got a point but it’s his job if he wants it and if the time is right he could even become a bigger legend in NY with a world series victory.

  55. DHC November 7th, 2007 at 2:27 pm

    Gayle is right, DJ has already said he wants to be an owner after he retires. He will need co-owners and Posada has already publicly said he’ll be one of them.

    DJ says he doesn’t want to be a manager because he doesn’t really like to watch other people play. As Torre said about watching the WS, it’s like watching somebody else eat a hot fudge sundae.

  56. S.o.S.27 November 7th, 2007 at 2:28 pm

    Why do you all believe what Cashman says? Why would he come out and say that we dont need Damon and that he isnt in our future plans. For Damon to fly to Orlando could mean that Cashman is discussing a trade presented to him that includes Damon. Again, Cashman is smart not to kill the value of his players. I say its a 50/50 chance Damon is going to be in another uniform come next year.

  57. BBB endorses Beltre for '08 3b November 7th, 2007 at 2:28 pm

    “Damon is the Golden Lab of ball players.

    What breeds are the other guys?”

    Ohhh I love it! Although in my mind Melky is very Golden Labesque too – can they both be Golden Labs? I suppose Melky could be demoted to a golden retriever if need be.

    Farnsworth is a poorly trained pitbull.

    Andy is a bulldog.

    Mike Mussina is a cat.

  58. J-Dawg November 7th, 2007 at 2:29 pm

    Shelly Duncan is a Rottweiler.

  59. the todd November 7th, 2007 at 2:30 pm

    i wonder if arod has the decensy to at least send a text.

  60. murphydog November 7th, 2007 at 2:32 pm

    Migames:

    Do we really know Jeter? No. But a person’s outward, observable behavior means a lot over the course of years. I realize there is role playing and use of party manners in front of the cameras, but Jetes has been here for ten years. Scandals? Other than Mariah Carey, none. (And he was too young to know better then). Ten years of propriety and respectful behavior from Jeter means nothing? C’mon.

  61. marc November 7th, 2007 at 2:32 pm

    migames…If we can judge a ballplayers character by the way he plays the game then Jeter deserves my “leap of faith.”

  62. ItalianGreco November 7th, 2007 at 2:33 pm

    Not that it means anything, and if someone already said this I’m sorry but A-Rod just bought SHAQ’s house in Miami. Myabe going to the Marlins??

  63. ND Yank November 7th, 2007 at 2:33 pm

    ARod just has a new cell number, no big deal. He never even knew that Cash, Hank, Hal and Damon even called him.

  64. jennifer- congrats JOE G November 7th, 2007 at 2:34 pm

    S.o.S.27 He lives in Orlando. He drove over in his Porche. It is a short ride. He stopped by to chat with his new manager and gm.

  65. murphydog November 7th, 2007 at 2:34 pm

    A-Rod to the Marlins means they can’t afford to field nine guys.

  66. DHC November 7th, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    BBB!! Wonderful!! Mike Mussina is a cat!!

    Can he be a Maltese?

  67. ND Yank November 7th, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    I wouldn’t call what Jeter did or didn’t do with Mariah Carey a “scandal”.

  68. S.o.S.27 November 7th, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    Pavano would be a weener dog.

  69. My Own Kinda Flavor November 7th, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    ..i’m sorry .. i have to say this ..

    the whole idea that the yankees ‘left torre out to dry’ is SO ridiculous to me. This is something entirely created by the IMPATIENT media.
    Did ANY other team make any moves within the same time frame? Did any other teams sign any other players within this same time frame? If that was anybody else – OTHER than torre – would anybody think that they were being hung out to dry?
    Is rivera being hung out to dry? or Posada? .. how about deciding on abreu’s option? .. did the yankees play games with him too? … did pettitte play games with us because he didn’t decide on his option until a couple of days ago?
    NO – the answer to all of these is NO – none of these situations should be considered ‘hung out to dry’.

    it’s RIDICULOUS!

    and look at torre now – making less money, in a a lackadaisical baseball world that can only DREAM to be as intense as our yankee world…. or even ‘east coast baseball’ for that matter.

    Personally, i think torre did a number on all of you… including the yankees. He wanted out and just KNEW the media would take care of the rest.
    I don’t care what ANYBODY says – that yankees still offered him a nice contract… but he was ‘offended’ that the yankees questioned his motivation.

    How can this man, after 12 seasons in NY, suddenly become so damn ‘sensitive’? …. cause he was spinning the truth my friends!

    i’m sorry to come off as a torre hater, actually, quite the contrary.
    i was blown away the day the news came that he would no longer be our manager. I’m going to miss him a lot. He’s one of the few people you see on tv, or the news, or wherever, and it makes me wish i actually knew him.

    But HE bailed on the YANKEES….he bailed on US – it really is THAT simple.

    … i’m very sorry to see mattingly follow him, and to see him in another uniform, i especially LOVED bowa, so i’ll miss him as well, but i’m also very excited about Girardi, and a better in-game manager might help us with at least 5 more wins over the course of the season (given the same team, of course).

    …sorry to take up so much space… but at least I feel better now.

    Let’s go yankees!!

  70. DHC November 7th, 2007 at 2:36 pm

    Edwar is a whippet, thin and trembling.

  71. CaptainsCorner November 7th, 2007 at 2:37 pm

    It just shows what kind of (insert any word you like) Arod is. Damon is a Bor-ASS client and still cant get threw to him. Unless Arod is on a leash, tied up and in a cage there is no excuse for him not to atleast call Damon or Cano back. I understand he wouldnt call the organization but he cant call his teamates back???!! Unless he doesnt know you can return a phone without including any info about what team you are signing with. He is lucky at this point that he even has teammates that still want to talk to him. He really is a loser. No one likes him but he doesnt do anything to help that..maybe he really doesnt care.

  72. murphydog November 7th, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    ND Yank:

    Not a scandal because he got out before the drug rehab/breakdown or whatever it was she had. But I guess my point was that in ten years that’s the closest he’s ever come to one. I’d say that was some good evidence that he lives right.

  73. marc November 7th, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    Cano and Melky are golden lab puppy brothers.
    Joba is a bulldog.
    Jete has some doberman in him.

  74. hmmm November 7th, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    “If we can judge a ballplayers character by the way he plays the game”

    we can’t.

  75. pat November 7th, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    Captains Corner

    If no one likes him, why are they calling him?

  76. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 7th, 2007 at 2:40 pm

    ahh Pat hit a very good point

  77. marc November 7th, 2007 at 2:41 pm

    arod is waiting to sell his story to the highest bidder…instructed by borass…no leaks allowed

  78. Vin November 7th, 2007 at 2:41 pm

    Pavano would be a weener dog.

    Funny, because I thought he was roadkill… except somehow less useful.

  79. hmmm November 7th, 2007 at 2:41 pm

    “I’d say that was some good evidence that he lives right.”

    how do we know that Jeter hasn’t been injecting himself with HGH for the past 10 years?

    we don’t.

    we have no idea about any of these guys.

  80. DHC November 7th, 2007 at 2:42 pm

    Pat, only the Golden Lab and Golden Lab puppy have called him.

    Golden Labs love everything that moves. And some things that don’t.

  81. Chris NY November 7th, 2007 at 2:42 pm

    Just saw a report that A-Rod has actually been held hostage by an aledged “associate” of Scott Boras in a seedy neighborhood in East LA… Supposedly, he’s been held captive since the Yankees’ early oust from the post-season at the hand of the Cleveland Indians………

  82. marc November 7th, 2007 at 2:43 pm

    hmmmmm…..that’s where the leap of faith comes in…did you ever see arod dive into the stands? who would you trust
    more jeter or arod?

  83. pat November 7th, 2007 at 2:43 pm

    As for Jeter, I have a friend who used to work for a NY Newspaper. There were

  84. Migames November 7th, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    “did you ever see arod dive into the stands?”

    this is why arod leaves

  85. pat November 7th, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    As for Jeter, I have a friend who used to work for a NY Newspaper. She told me that if it was Jeter in the Toronto stripper photos instead of A-Rod they would never have been published. She said on the whole, Jeter was very discrete but there were things that came up and they never made it to print.

  86. BBB endorses Beltre for '08 3b November 7th, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    Beagles cry a lot, right?

    Pavano is a beagle.

  87. DHC November 7th, 2007 at 2:47 pm

    Marc, or could Jeter be a Weimaraner? That cool look, those light watchful eyes…

  88. murphydog November 7th, 2007 at 2:47 pm

    hmmm:

    We could assume the worst about anyone. All I’m saying is that the observable evidence over 10 years, as opposed to guesswork and supposition, is that he lives right.

  89. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 7th, 2007 at 2:48 pm

    Marc, WTF is it with you ?

    marc
    November 7th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
    Did anyone ever see how Jete handles Kim Jones after a game.
    “I tell you this after every game, WINNING is the only thing that matters,” “numbers don’t matter to me,” “I didn’t know I passed so and so on the hit list.” He is the
    absolute best and someday will manage this team. He is bigger than Mattingly.

    marc
    November 7th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
    Jeter is an honest man. His silence speaks volumes.

    marc
    November 7th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
    Torre should have been gone after 06. Jeter has too much class to speak out. He knows his place.

    seriously.. the way your talking, your coming off as a guy you that probably has his poster on the ceiling w/ some lubriderm on the left

    marc
    November 7th, 2007 at 2:43 pm
    hmmmmm…..that’s where the leap of faith comes in…did you ever see arod dive into the stands? who would you trust
    more jeter or arod?

    seriously this isn’t the place for you man

    go there

  90. mike November 7th, 2007 at 2:48 pm

    Giambi is not a SUPERIOR DH to Damon. Unless giambi has the stellar years of 3 years ago, they are the same, rather have damon onthe basepaths

  91. marc November 7th, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    The last I recall Jeter is not a married man with a child.

  92. ND Yank November 7th, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    Who cares if Jeter is with a stripper? He’s single isn’t he? No big deal. And if ARod’s wife lets him “run around” on the road, that’s no big deal either. If she doesn’t, that’s ARods problem and I could care less.

  93. Migames November 7th, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    and what scandals did arod have? He was with a stripper? We didnt seem to care much about it when he was putting up those numbers. What else? He gambles? Im sure Jeter has never played poker or been to a strip club because he dives into the stands…

  94. DHC November 7th, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    Pat, a few things drift out about Jeter but he’s a single guy, no one expects him to be celibate, it’s just not the news it is when a married athlete who parades around carrying a toddler is caught out..

  95. J-Dawg November 7th, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    I have a miniature Dachshund and they are stubborn and bull-minded. Melky could be a Dachshund because he is bull-headed when it comes to ignoring everyone’s advice about sliding head-first into first base!

  96. murphydog November 7th, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    pat:

    With all due respect, since Gray Hart, Bill Clinton and any other public figure you can think of, nobody gets a pass on anything from the press. What you are talking about went out with “Pride of the Yankees.”

  97. Migames November 7th, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    “The last I recall Jeter is not a married man with a child.”

    Good point marc. Arod is the only guy in the majors who is married with children and has a stripper friend.

  98. hmmm November 7th, 2007 at 2:52 pm

    “hmmmmm…..that’s where the leap of faith comes in…did you ever see arod dive into the stands? who would you trust
    more jeter or arod?”

    are you serious?

    we are making character judgments b/c Jeter jumped into the stands?

    i mean, i love Jeter as a player, but this is insane.

    who played the game harder than Pete Rose?

  99. pat November 7th, 2007 at 2:53 pm

    DHC

    I’ve only heard 2 guys asked and both said they did. I see no evidence of anyone who didn’t yet. You can conjure up images inside the clubhouse all you want but the people I’ve heard with my own ears sound like they want him back.

    Has Johnny spoken with Mariano, Jorge or Andy?

  100. gianthinker November 7th, 2007 at 2:54 pm

    I guess this is good news but then I have to think Matsui could be in jeopardy. There’s simply a log-jam at OF/1B/DH that cant be denied.

  101. Chris NY November 7th, 2007 at 2:54 pm

    Unless A-Rod’s man-stripper is going to play third this year, I couldn’t possibly care less about what the papers write about any of them.

  102. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 7th, 2007 at 2:54 pm

    this isn’t the place for you Marc, if your here to speak about the Yankees speak, but if your here to put Jetes on a pedestal and get on peoples nerves or get praised

    go there Jeter board

  103. marc November 7th, 2007 at 2:55 pm

    jeter has singlehandedly won so many more big games than arod especially under pressure.

  104. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 7th, 2007 at 2:55 pm

    this isn’t the place for you Marc

    go there Jeter board

  105. murphydog November 7th, 2007 at 2:56 pm

    Migames:

    The stripper thing is an issue because A-Rod is married. The poker playing is an issue because A-Rod was not playing poker at a legit casino; he was caught at several after hours big stakes poker games and was warned about it by the team. Ultimately none of it is a big deal. I’m not pitting A-Rod against Jeter. All I’m saying is that given 10 years of opportunity to screw up in one of the biggest media/gossip centers in the universe, Jeter’s kept his nose clean. It’s an admirable achievement.

  106. J-Dawg November 7th, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    gianthinker- There definitely is a log-jam there, but it’s going to be highly difficult to trade Matsui. He has a no-trade clause. Giambi is in the last year of his contract, so his departure after next year will clear up some much-needed space.

  107. DHC November 7th, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    Brandon, I went there out of curiosity to know what you were suggesting, and my question is — how do you even know about this giant collection of publicity photos of Jeter?

  108. marc November 7th, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    dhc…lol

  109. jennifer- congrats JOE G November 7th, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    I don’t recall the timeline, but I heard from someone they saw Alex at one of these after hours poker clubs. I believe it was right around the time the newspapers picked up on it.

  110. hmmm November 7th, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    “jeter has singlehandedly won so many more big games than arod especially under pressure.”

    i’d love to discuss what jeter has done ON THE FIELD as compared to a-rod.

    that is a perfectly fair comment.

    but pretending his play on the field makes him some sort of saint in real life is silly and embarrassing.

  111. Migames November 7th, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    “The stripper thing is an issue because A-Rod is married. The poker playing is an issue because A-Rod was not playing poker at a legit casino; he was caught at several after hours big stakes poker games and was warned about it by the team. Ultimately none of it is a big deal. I’m not pitting A-Rod against Jeter. All I’m saying is that given 10 years of opportunity to screw up in one of the biggest media/gossip centers in the universe, Jeter’s kept his nose clean. It’s an admirable achievement.”

    Arod gets caught. Jeter doesnt. Are you with jeter every second of the day? Come on. Nobody is a saint, and we dont know, nor should we care.

    I love jeter, he is a great ball player, but after 9 innings, who cares about him

  112. S.o.S.27 November 7th, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    There definitely is a log-jam there, but it’s going to be highly difficult to trade Matsui. He has a no-trade clause. Giambi is in the last year of his contract, so his departure after next year will clear up some much-needed space.

    Eat 2/3 of Giambi’s salary and send him back to Oakland. Problem solved. Matsui makes a better d.h. than Jason.

  113. A-Hype November 7th, 2007 at 3:04 pm

    I just got a Text from ARod

    SELL THE HOUSE
    SELL THE CAR
    SELL THE KIDS
    FIND SOMEONE ELSE
    FORGET IT
    I’M NEVER COMING BACK

  114. marc November 7th, 2007 at 3:04 pm

    just wondering… does anyone know if arod has any type of charity like jeter and posada sponsor?

  115. pat November 7th, 2007 at 3:04 pm

    I didn’t say the pics or stories had anything to do with strippers. Some of the same pictures and stories which were deemed not worth printing in NY have appeared in national publications. I just find it hard to believe that Jeter is a bigger story nationally than in NY.

  116. sunny615 November 7th, 2007 at 3:04 pm

    Eat 2/3 of Giambi’s salary and send him back to Oakland. Problem solved. Matsui makes a better d.h. than Jason.

    You’re probably going to have to dish out money to Giambi as well to get him to waive his no-trade – either that or the A’s will have to give him an extension – and Beane will not do that.

  117. Wolf In Pinstripes November 7th, 2007 at 3:05 pm

    hmmm said: “Boras strategy number one is to separate the negotiating player from his teammates and former management precisely because he does not want his clients swayed by non-economic factors, like friendship, loyalty, fun, (”ain’t pinstripes great?”) mom or apple pie. Not that I think A-Rod has a heart that could be touched by a guy like Damon. As far as I’m concerned he seems like he could have played the Tinman in this year’s Rookie Costume Party. But the non-returned calls are strategy. That it makes A-Rod look like a creep is the price he pays for brass knuckle negotiations.”

    ______

    Dude – spot ON. This is just part of the game as a Boras client. The process is going to make ARod look like a jerk to the fans, but that’s just the price he pays for going with his agent’s M.O.

    Nie to see Damnon reaching out. Regardless of what fans think or how Alex is looking by all of this, I’m sure that there are players on the team that got close to him and would love to have him back with the Yankees. See, the thing that separates the players from the public is that they recognize and appreciate the _talent_. Would they take ARod’s production back on the team if they could? Of course they would. I saw people mention here that Boston fans would do a 180 regarding ARod if he were putting up 50HR for them in a Red Sox unifor,. I’m certain that most NY fans that despise him right now would be willing to move on if he came back and splattered numbers all over the place as well. Beleive me, I am just as disgusted and disheartened by everything ARod as most people, but if he came back to NY somehow, I’d be more than happy to have his talent back. He’s not my family member or friend or anything like that, so I could get past all the drama if I had to.

    As for players that do things the _right_ way when dealing with a team, come show your support for Andy P, people – http://www.clubbronx.com/viewtopic.php?t=192

  118. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 7th, 2007 at 3:05 pm

    if we trade Matsui I might do it for Beltre, that would be an upgrade on the RHB side and since we still have Betemit, Bobby & Cano the LH side should be fine, I heard rumors we are interested in Marte, Hawkins or Iwase any updates here on that ?

  119. sunny615 November 7th, 2007 at 3:05 pm

    marc
    November 7th, 2007 at 3:04 pm
    just wondering… does anyone know if arod has any type of charity like jeter and posada sponsor?

    I think it’s called the “give arod more money foundation”.

  120. S.o.S.27 November 7th, 2007 at 3:06 pm

    just wondering… does anyone know if arod has any type of charity like jeter and posada sponsor?

    I believe he was at a charity event last year with Bonds. Of all people.

  121. pat November 7th, 2007 at 3:06 pm

    Marc

    He does. I don’t know the name of the foundation but they had a charity luncheon this summer at Daniel.

  122. J-Dawg November 7th, 2007 at 3:06 pm

    I wish that Giambi would approve a trade, but he wouldn’t go back to Oakland. He is absolutely hated there. He was hit by a beer during a game at Oakland in 2005.

  123. A-Hype November 7th, 2007 at 3:06 pm

    Eat 2/3 of Giambi’s salary and send him back to Oakland.

    if you stick in a Hoagie, Giambi will eat the contract himself.

  124. murphydog November 7th, 2007 at 3:07 pm

    Migames:

    “Arod gets caught. Jeter doesnt. Are you with jeter every second of the day? Come on. Nobody is a saint, and we dont know, nor should we care.”

    So apparently the universe is playing favorites with Jeter? He’s one of the most recognizable faces on earth. It’s just as hard for Jeter to hide as it is A-Rod.

    Look, I’m not vouching for the guy’s soul, OK? I’m just making a simple and limited point: The hyper-competitive media has caught A-Rod out in a few situations that haven’t befallen Jeter. In fact, in ten years Jeter has managed to avoid having a scandal attached to him. (That’s meaningful, but it doesn’t get him into Heaven). You prefer to believe that’s because Jeter’s either been lucky or is treated better by the press. You’re entitled to your opinion.

  125. murphydog November 7th, 2007 at 3:08 pm

    Wolf In Pinstripes:

    That wasn’t hmmm. He said it more eloquently.

  126. A-Hype November 7th, 2007 at 3:09 pm

    ARod’s charity is the “Fort Knox Foundation”

  127. S.o.S.27 November 7th, 2007 at 3:10 pm

    sunny615-You’re probably going to have to dish out money to Giambi as well to get him to waive his no-trade – either that or the A’s will have to give him an extension – and Beane will not do that.

    Knowing he wont get much playing time this year,I think would convince him to waive it. In the previous years he knew he had a full time job. Times have changed. I doubt he would even ask for that extention.

    p.s. Thanks again for the blockquote class. Im obbsesing over it.

  128. Jeremy November 7th, 2007 at 3:10 pm

    marc, a Google search for Arod and charity will take you to ARod’s website, which will tell you more about ARod’s charitable donations than you could possibly want to know.

    Rest assured that ARod has been very generous with his wealth. Anyone can question his motives (“ARod doesn’t care about the people he helps, it’s just for the good of ARod Inc.”) but ARod has been active in charitable causes.

    ARod has done nothing to indicate that his character is somehow a detriment to his team. That doesn’t mean everyone should want to hang out with the guy. It just means that his character flaws probably don’t offset any of his tangible, on-field contributions.

  129. A-Hype November 7th, 2007 at 3:11 pm

    ARod sponsors an annual Christmas dinner strippers called “Toys For Tarts”

  130. ATM Support November 7th, 2007 at 3:11 pm

    just wondering… does anyone know if arod has any type of charity like jeter and posada sponsor?

    Yes he does. Its called the ARod Family Foundation. Its on his website.

  131. S.o.S.27 November 7th, 2007 at 3:13 pm

    Brandon-if we trade Matsui I might do it for Beltre, that would be an upgrade on the RHB side and since we still have Betemit, Bobby & Cano the LH side should be fine, I heard rumors we are interested in Marte, Hawkins or Iwase any updates here on that

    Matsui doesnt get along with Ichiro. I doubt he waves it.

  132. NYY November 7th, 2007 at 3:15 pm

    i do think the press treats jeter better to an extent, but he is not stupid, the man goes out to dinner with his friends, picks up woman, but has them come to his apt separately. He is never seen in public with them (and i personally know woman who go along with this) and you hear stories living in the city. He doesn’t go out during the season here, he has them come to him, I’m sure his doormen are not going to run to the press.

    But forget about this, and Arod he is not coming back, lets hear more trade specs!!!

  133. A-Hype November 7th, 2007 at 3:15 pm

    Jeremy,

    wake up and smell the Boras. It’s called a Tax shelter.

  134. Jeremy November 7th, 2007 at 3:15 pm

    ARod’s website is a frightening place, by the way. It often refers to him as “AROD,” as in “AROD, Rollins win Legacy Awards.” Creepy.

  135. Miller November 7th, 2007 at 3:17 pm

    How about Matsui for Crede and a prospect?

    Have Giambi and Duncan DH and Johnny rome LF.

    We really dont need Matsui.

  136. A-Hype November 7th, 2007 at 3:17 pm

    Jeter can date all the women he wants, he’s single.

  137. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 7th, 2007 at 3:17 pm

    Matsui doesnt get along with Ichiro. I doubt he waves it.

    care to elaborate ?

  138. A-Hype November 7th, 2007 at 3:19 pm

    Matsui doesnt get along with Ichiro.

    I guess Ichiro bogarts his porn.

  139. Jeremy November 7th, 2007 at 3:19 pm

    A-Hype, believe me, I understand what a charitable deduction is and I’m sure ARod does too. (I’m also reasonably confident that ARod has an accountant/financial advisor and does not rely on Boras to manage his wealth.) I even said you can question ARod’s motives. The question was just “does ARod have a charity,” and the answer is yes.

  140. S.o.S.27 November 7th, 2007 at 3:19 pm

    Miller-How about Matsui for Crede and a prospect?

    Have Giambi and Duncan DH and Johnny rome LF.

    We really dont need Matsui.

    No way. A 20+homeruns 100+ r.b.i.’s. He can net us more than a broken down third baseman.

  141. marc November 7th, 2007 at 3:20 pm

    I still think he thinks too much of himself to jump into the stands for a ball. Hell he can’t even catch a pop-up.
    For all his numbers he couldn’t will us to a championship
    like Reggie, Jeter or Munson.

  142. Wolf In Pinstripes November 7th, 2007 at 3:22 pm

    My bad murph – wish there was a quote button here. LOL

    Anyway, you both made excellent points as usual. I just got you mixed up.

  143. murphydog November 7th, 2007 at 3:23 pm

    Does the A-Rod website have a picture of him picking up his 2007 Hank Aaron Award at Game 4 of the WS?

  144. Miller November 7th, 2007 at 3:23 pm

    SOS,

    A broken down 3rd basemen + prospects.

    Im telling you, Matsui is not the same player from 2003-2005. He just looks…..bad?

  145. Migames November 7th, 2007 at 3:23 pm

    jeter willed us to 4 championships? Really?

    was it that Tony Gwynn wasnt willing his team in 98 when he played us?

    What about those braves teams we played, they werent willing their teams?

    Come on….Jeter, and Arod are one of 25 players. We didnt win because we didnt have pitching, not because of arod.

  146. S.o.S.27 November 7th, 2007 at 3:24 pm

    Brandon- It has been well speculated since he first came here, that they didnt get along back in Japan. Im not sure if it was from playing on the National team together. Even this year when Ichiro had’nt been signed they said that he wouldnt come to N.Y. Some of that being because of Matsui being on the team. All I can tell you is from what i have read.

  147. murphydog November 7th, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    Wolfie:

    It’s a compliment to be confused with hmmm.

    hmmm is one of my favorites. Hmmm doesn’t run on, never wastes a word and is (almost) always right.

  148. raymagnetic November 7th, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    SOS,

    A broken down 3rd basemen + prospects.

    Im telling you, Matsui is not the same player from 2003-2005. He just looks…..bad?

    I really wish you people would look up Matsui’s numbers from this year and his career numbers before saying he’s washed up. His numbers were the same this year as they’ve always been.

  149. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 7th, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    ahh thanks for the info SoS

  150. mel November 7th, 2007 at 3:28 pm

    You guys are so funny, Marc’s just yanking your chain.

  151. Dee November 7th, 2007 at 3:28 pm

    ItalianGreco asked: “Not that it means anything, and if someone already said this I’m sorry but A-Rod just bought SHAQ’s house in Miami. Myabe going to the Marlins??”

    Marlins already said they’re not interested. In Beinfest he implies other people are just spinning it (hello Boras). Also other quotes from Cubs, Tigers, White Sox and Bosox. that’s 5 clubsthat are not voicing interest at least in public:

    “The White Sox, who were in the mix for Edgar Renteria before the Braves dealt him to the Tigers last week, have no plans to pursue A-Rod to play shortstop.

    “Me and his agent traditionally have been unable to agree on the value of players,” said GM Kenny Williams.

    The Marlins, whose entire payroll last season was less than A-Rod’s $27 million salary, will not try to bring the Miami native home, despite some rumors to the contrary.

    “We have no plans to speak with or engage in contract negotiations with A-Rod,” said Larry Beinfest, the team’s president of baseball operations. “We get mentioned in a lot of things. I don’t know if that’s by chance or by design, but for a team in the position we’re in, we sure do get mentioned a lot.”

    While not completely pulling out, Cubs GM Jim Hendry says paying one player $35 million a year for 10 years, “doesn’t make a lot of sense.”

    Dave Dombrowski, president of the Detroit Tigers, was even more blunt, telling the AP, “We don’t have any interest.”
    The Red Sox are on the bubble, at best, as they continue their attempts to re-sign World Series MVP Mike Lowell.

    Asked if A-Rod would be a possibility at shortstop, GM Theo Epstein replied, “We have a shortstop,”"

  152. S.o.S.27 November 7th, 2007 at 3:28 pm

    Miller,
    I agree,he is not the same player. But keep in mind he broke his wrist last year and his knee was hurting him in the end of the year(DRAINING FLUIDS FROM IT). He still put up some good numbers. Which again could get us a much better player in return. Thats if we cant get rid of Giambi.A whole year at d.h. should keep him fresh and i would expect a much more productive year from him. Out of the 3(damon,matsui,giambi),he would be the last I trade.

  153. Doreen November 7th, 2007 at 3:29 pm

    Migames –

    People tend to forget that two teams play in a WS, and both teams, all 25 men on each, plus various coaches, etc., all want to win. It cracks me up. And I guess Jeter just hasn’t willed it hard enough the last 7 years.

  154. BBB endorses Beltre for '08 3b November 7th, 2007 at 3:31 pm

    “ARod’s website is a frightening place, by the way. It often refers to him as “AROD,” as in “AROD, Rollins win Legacy Awards.” Creepy.”

    Creepy indeed! What really bugs me out is the “Arod Avenue” section (heh, I can’t even type that without chortling) where he posts his favorite motivational fan mail. It was funny to read in 06 when he was in his big slump – the entire thing was like one big walking Stuart Smalley affirmation!

  155. marc November 7th, 2007 at 3:31 pm

    nah mel i’m not

  156. Yankeebombers November 7th, 2007 at 3:31 pm

    This may be off topic a bit since everyone is talking about A-Rod but I wanted to bring people’s attention to Austin Jackson and what he’s been doing in the Hawaii Winter Baseball league here on Honolulu. Below you’ll find the link to the HWB website for a great article on Austin Jackson. I’ve also had a chance to talk with him and he is a very cool guy…great with the fans! I recently spoke to one of the scouts from the Phillies organization that was in town for the games and he was saying that he believes that Jackson has ” a lot of good tools” and sees him as a Mike Cameron type of player (without the substance/steroids allegations). Hopefully this guy makes it to the Bronx sooner than later because he is a really smooth player. Jackson also told me that he’ll be starting in Trenton AA ball next season.

    As for Brad Suttle, although he is struggling a little right now in this league, I spoke to him at the last game and he is a good, down-to-earth guy. He seemed pretty happy when I told him I was a huge Yankees fan, sort of like when someone tells you that you just got a job. I was a little surprised but I guess he’s just been hounded by the Red Sox fans here that seem to keep popping out of the closets since 2004. Oh well, I’m sure it’s happenening everywhere.

    I also asked the Phillies scout about his take on Jose Tabata and he told me, “I haven’t seen him personally but I hear he is pretty special.” Gave me goosebumps.

    We’ve been extremely lucky here in Hawaii getting to see some great baseball and also getting the oportunity to meet Joba and Ian from last year! They were so humble and outstanding with all the fans! Thanks for reading and check out the article below on Jackson.
    http://www.hawaiiwinterbasebal...../detail/91

  157. marc November 7th, 2007 at 3:33 pm

    doreen…you seem to be forgetting all the big hits and plays from ’95-’00

  158. Bill November 7th, 2007 at 3:33 pm

    This whole A-Rod situation is getting way blown out of proportion. Everyone is looking at every little detail and putting as negative a slant as possible on it.

    Damon said he’d left a message and A-Rod hadn’t returned the call. Big deal? How do we know whether 10 minutes had passed or 10 days? Did Damon leave a message asking A-Rod to call him or just leave a message saying I hope you re-sign with the Yankees which maybe didn’t even need a return call. Cano just said he hadn’t talked to him. Why would you necessarily expect him to talk to him regularly in the offseason. I’d assume that A-Rod will eventually reach out to anyone who he was close to on the Yankees but why does it have to be before he knows what he’s doing next year?

    And Pete’s comparison of Pettite to A-Rod isn’t that meaningful because Pettite played most of his career with the Yankees and had decided that it was Yankees or retirement. A-Rod clearly wants to test the market which is his right. Its a much different situation and he’s going to conduct himself differently.

    The $350MM to sit down I think is blown out of proportion too. I think that was just Boras saying A-Rod doesn’t want to negotiate exclusively and throwing out a rediculously high number to discourage a counteroffer. He wants to test the waters and negotiate from what he viewed as a position of power. It was gamesmanship on their part, just as the Yankees’ decision to close the door for now is gamesmanship on their part. I think if Boras finds that the market for A-Rod isn’t as robust as he thinks (and I don’t think it is that robust) and the Yankees could do a deal for $20-30MM less than whatever their maximum would have been in a pre-opt out extension offer, the door would be wide open again. They probably are still very open to resigning him at the right price, but just aren’t willing to let Boras shop that price around. I think there’s still a good chance he’s back next year, maybe not as high as 50/50 but I think they are far from out of it.

  159. keith November 7th, 2007 at 3:34 pm

    Where was Jeter’s “will” when he made 17 outs in 17pa vs CLE? Did he just not care this season? Maybe he intentionally failed so A-Rod wouldn’t get to win a WS!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111

  160. JDnotDrew November 7th, 2007 at 3:35 pm

    Need spring tocome qick this year . I can’t take these who called who or didn’t call in this case posts. Cut the BS and talk baseball.

  161. marc November 7th, 2007 at 3:36 pm

    how quickly we forget…

  162. BBB endorses Beltre for '08 3b November 7th, 2007 at 3:36 pm

    Thanks for the update on Action Jackson Yankeebomber! I live near Trenton and can’t wait to go see him for myself next year.

  163. ATM Support November 7th, 2007 at 3:36 pm

    Funny how now that A-Rod opted out there seem to be more 3rd basemen “available”. Rolen, Cabrera, Crede, Lowell. Is some of that because the Yankees are looking for a replacement or because they want to create an opening?

    Is it to drive the price down?

    What if the Yankees offer arbitration and he accepts? Draft picks would be gone then.

    There are a lot of things going on with this whole game.

  164. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 7th, 2007 at 3:37 pm

    ACTION JACKSON :D , thanks for the article Yankeebombers

  165. Jonathon November 7th, 2007 at 3:38 pm

    “We didnt win because we didnt have pitching.”

    Funny, I thought it was because Joe Torre mysteriously turned into an idiot between Game 7 of 2001 WS and Game 4 of the 2007 DS.

  166. Doreen November 7th, 2007 at 3:39 pm

    Marc -

    You’re kidding, right?

  167. jon November 7th, 2007 at 3:39 pm

    I honestly have a lot less respect for Damon now.

  168. jennifer- congrats JOE G November 7th, 2007 at 3:40 pm

    Great article thanks for posting!!

  169. Yankeebombers November 7th, 2007 at 3:40 pm

    Glad you guys enjoyed the article! The Action Man seems to have a pretty big following already!

  170. nate c. November 7th, 2007 at 3:40 pm

    Bill – well put.

  171. marc November 7th, 2007 at 3:41 pm

    ok jeter isn’t a winner and arod is

  172. jennifer- congrats JOE G November 7th, 2007 at 3:42 pm

    Yeah i’m going to have to make the drive to see Action Jackson. I went 2 years ago, very nice park. And this season I went out to Scranton. It was so cold that day no one was at the stadium!! Spent most of it in side the resturant watching the game.

  173. Doreen November 7th, 2007 at 3:42 pm

    Marc, I was responding to Migames:

    jeter willed us to 4 championships? Really?

    was it that Tony Gwynn wasnt willing his team in 98 when he played us?

    What about those braves teams we played, they werent willing their teams?

    Come on….Jeter, and Arod are one of 25 players. We didnt win because we didnt have pitching, not because of arod.

    I was being sarcastic. Because no one can will their team to win, no matter how well they play, and no matter how many times they dive into the seats.

  174. Migames November 7th, 2007 at 3:42 pm

    marc, whats your argument? That jeter’s “will” won us 4 championships and he stopped trying in 2001?

  175. Doreen November 7th, 2007 at 3:43 pm

    Because I was basically agreeing with Migames, who, correct me if I’m wrong, was also being slightly sarcastic.

  176. Jonathon November 7th, 2007 at 3:43 pm

    Yankeebombers

    I looked at Austin Jackson’s numbers today. Quite eye opening. That coupled with his 2007 season in the minors.

    Looks like there might be a player there.

  177. S.o.S.27 November 7th, 2007 at 3:44 pm

    brandon,
    O.K. i learned yesterday how to blockquote. Now I see a happy face. How do I get happy faces on my quotes.

  178. jennifer- congrats JOE G November 7th, 2007 at 3:44 pm

    And hopefully it is for the NY Yankees as a sept call up and starting of in 09′

  179. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 7th, 2007 at 3:46 pm

    the normal happy face is —> : followed by –> ) then blockquote

  180. Yankeebombers November 7th, 2007 at 3:46 pm

    Jonathon

    Yeah, Jackson’s season in Tampa was pretty impressive. He may not get the fanfare and recognition of Tabata but he’s one of those guys that you just seem to notice on the ballfield.

  181. jennifer- congrats JOE G November 7th, 2007 at 3:47 pm

    :) : ) :P : P :8 : 8

  182. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 7th, 2007 at 3:48 pm

    Yankeebombers, trusat me true Yankee fans know who Action Jackson is

  183. S.o.S.27 November 7th, 2007 at 3:48 pm

    yankeebombers-Phillies organization that was in town for the games and he was saying that he believes that Jackson has ” a lot of good tools” and sees him as a Mike Cameron type of player

    If his defense is compared to Camaron than it will be exciting to have him rome our outfield.Hopefully with more offensive tools than Camaron.

  184. G. Love November 7th, 2007 at 3:49 pm

    I like Damon showing up at the meetings and talking to the team. To me, that shows he wants to be pro-active and a part of things.

    I think Damon fell in love with being a Yankee during game of the ALDS. It had to be one of the best feelings in the world to run out to LF after hitting the HR and have the entire stadium chanting your name and going crazy. I was in seats on the LF line and you couldn’t talk to the person next to you people were so loud.

    Damon was visibly touched. I was close enough to be able to see that in his face.

    If that doesn’t make you want to be a Yankee and win for the fans, I don’t know what will.

    Clearly with Arod, the cheers fell on deaf ears. I never once felt that he looked moved by the love he got the from the fans, even when was doing curtain calls. To Arod we’re just another uniform, just another city.

    Steve Phillips is looking more and more right for calling him the 24 and 1 guy. It’s clear that it’s about him first and the disposable team he plays for 2nd.

  185. Reggie November 7th, 2007 at 3:49 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ortCat=mlb

  186. marc November 7th, 2007 at 3:49 pm

    so according to you “will” does not exist? There are no intangibles in baseball? Players can’t feed off each other? These are all pie in the sky? Jeter’s will translates into big hits and homers and plays, need I name them all? Pitching helps too, don’t get me wrong. But really, when was the last time arod did something big in a post-season game?

  187. A-Hype November 7th, 2007 at 3:51 pm

    Boras just issued a statement, he says ARod will return any phone call, but only if you offer a contract worth at least $350 million.

  188. On D Ball November 7th, 2007 at 3:51 pm

    Nows we know why Arod needs a raise:

    http://www.reuters.com/article.....38;sp=true

  189. ND Yank November 7th, 2007 at 3:53 pm

    murphydog
    November 7th, 2007 at 3:23 pm
    Does the A-Rod website have a picture of him picking up his 2007 Hank Aaron Award at Game 4 of the WS?

    Talk about a nothing story that was overblown because it was ARod. How many times has a person/player not been there for awards like this? Too many to remember. But when it’s ARod, it’s a big story.

  190. Chris NY November 7th, 2007 at 3:54 pm

    “A-Rod just bought SHAQ’s house in Miami. Myabe going to the Marlins??””

    Two things, 1, he already lives in Miami, so buying a new house where he already lives doesn’t mean he’s playing for the Marlins.

    2, what is he going to do with the giant Superman logo in the pool and all over the house? Have them turned into dollar signs?

    Speaking of which, I’m sure when A-Rod comes back to the Bronx with another team a lot of people will boo (as they should), but I hope we don’t become another city throwing fake money on the field because he opted out, as many, many other teams have done to some of the guys that came TO the Bronx for more money. I hope we’re not that hypocritical, but I’m sure plenty of fans will prove me wrong.

  191. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 7th, 2007 at 3:54 pm

    S.o.S.27
    November 7th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
    yankeebombers-Phillies organization that was in town for the games and he was saying that he believes that Jackson has ” a lot of good tools” and sees him as a Mike Cameron type of player

    If his defense is compared to Camaron than it will be exciting to have him rome our outfield.Hopefully with more offensive tools than Camaron.

    he’s been compared to Tori Hunter in the field, Vernon Wells type bat

  192. Doreen November 7th, 2007 at 3:55 pm

    But Marc -

    Intangibles and will are not the same thing. “Will” is like not to be silly here, but, wishing really, really hard. The intangibles are being in the right place to make a play – that doesn’t go on a scorecard. Most every athlete who plays the game has the will to win. Not everyone is a master of the intangibles. Do you think that this year Jeter didn’t have the same will to win he always does? According to you, that would explain the DPs he hit into. Sometimes things just don’t go your way. It’s really not explainable, EXCEPT that having great pitching tips the scales in your favor.

  193. Yankeebombers November 7th, 2007 at 3:56 pm

    “he’s been compared to Tori Hunter in the field, Vernon Wells type bat”

    I would take that any day!!!

  194. Titan November 7th, 2007 at 3:56 pm

    Instead of trading PROSPECTS for a Batter, they should think first in trading for Pitching.

    We have seen last years how Power Pitching dominates in October.

  195. Jonathon November 7th, 2007 at 3:57 pm

    Even even he has Cameron’s offensive skills, I’d be happy with that.

    Cam’s usually good for about 20-25 HR and 80+ RBI. If only he could get on base a little more.

    A good year for Jackson in SWB might mean a September call up.

  196. marc November 7th, 2007 at 3:58 pm

    Doreen,

    Did Reggie will us to win in 77?

  197. Chris NY November 7th, 2007 at 3:59 pm

    On D Ball, that’s ridiculous. Some people just search for reasons to blow money… edible gold? GREAT! I’ve always wanted to eat… uhhhh, gold….?…

  198. A-Hype November 7th, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    Chris NY

    the difference is ARod went on and on all year about how much he loved us, the yankees, the uniform, his teammates, and NYC. Then he opts out, via Text message, refusing to hear our offer.

  199. marc November 7th, 2007 at 4:02 pm

    We’re playing semantics here. All I’m saying is that Jeter is a winner and arod is not. One is generally a clutch player with lesser stats through the years. I don’t see the argument. Of course, pitching wins.

  200. S.o.S.27 November 7th, 2007 at 4:03 pm

    Jennifer and Brandon,

    Thanks for the instructions but i cant seem to get it. I will stick with being pitcure less. Dont want to clogg up petes other threads.

  201. keith November 7th, 2007 at 4:03 pm

    marc: no

  202. Yankeebombers November 7th, 2007 at 4:03 pm

    One thing I’ve noticed from watching Austin Jackson is how he never seems to have to make a diving catch and I mean that as a compliment. He just always seems to be right under the ball.

  203. A-Hype November 7th, 2007 at 4:04 pm

    “will” is overrated.

    I think we should hire a Voo-Doo Doctor as the bench coach.

  204. Doreen November 7th, 2007 at 4:06 pm

    No, Marc. As I recall, Reggie hit a few little homeruns to help the Yankees win.

  205. marc November 7th, 2007 at 4:07 pm

    what about gil hodges and the 69 miracle mets?

  206. Chris NY November 7th, 2007 at 4:07 pm

    A-Hype, I agree, that’s why I absolutely think booing is more than justified.. But we all knew he was going where the money is, we just expected NY to be that “where.” His opting out was a shocker because it meant he didn’t want to play in the place most likely to give him the biggest paycheck.

    so if we start throwing money on the field and acting like people in Oakland, Seattle, etc…, we’ll sound like Red Sox fans who still complain that the Yankees buy everything while they’re up there spending $102M on a 3/4 starter from Japan…

  207. marc November 7th, 2007 at 4:09 pm

    Reggie singlehandedly won that game and therefore the series. Saying he willed it is just another way to say he was a clutch performer.

  208. JDnotDrew November 7th, 2007 at 4:15 pm

    bold

  209. Doreen November 7th, 2007 at 4:18 pm

    Marc -

    The ’69 Miracle Mets had an awesome pitching staff. You have to assume that all athletes have the will to win.

    And it’s not semantics. If you don’t see the difference, you don’t see the difference, and nothing I say is going to change the way you see things.

  210. DHC November 7th, 2007 at 4:19 pm

    Back to the Matsui-Ichiro question, what I read (too long to remember the source) was that in Japan they were the stars of the two major opposing teams, sort of like the Yankees/Red Sox rivalry but on a national level, and were fierce opponents, rather than personal enemies.

  211. S.o.S.27 November 7th, 2007 at 4:24 pm

    DHC,

    What all I read on these two was that it was a great dislike in a personal level. I have read that and heard it more than several times. But who knows if the media wanted to make it more of a rivalry.

  212. murphydog November 7th, 2007 at 4:36 pm

    ND Yank:

    RE: A-Rod and the Aaron Award no show

    I believe that the NL winner managed to get there. If A-Rod is bored of winning awards maybe he should just tell the sponsors ahead of time that he doesn’t need anymore of them. Otherwise it’s a simple matter of having the class to be there. Being baseballs’ best player comes with some impact on your schedule.

  213. My Own Kinda Flavor November 7th, 2007 at 5:16 pm

    this might not be as crazy as it seems ..

    but …

    what about the idea of signing Bartolo Colon and have him be the setup man for rivera? – assuming rivera returns.

    it’s something that could potentially keep colon a bit healthier and steer him towards a new role in his career.

    … haven’t heard this anywhere, so there’s no juice, but i still think it’s something to consider.

  214. My Own Kinda Flavor November 7th, 2007 at 5:22 pm

    oh yeah .. and as far as ‘will’ ..?

    does anybody remember game 5 of the 97 playoffs (against cleveland) ..
    … and we were down to our final out ..

    paul o’neil came up and ripped the ball … the man on hobbled knees dug in with everything he had and found a way to second base – almost sliding past the bag, and clinging on with as much determination that i have ever seen… one of my personal defining moments of o’neils career ..

    and then … even with ALL THAT WILL and DETERMINATION …

    Bernie came up..

    and typical bernie … first pitch swinging – he popped out to end the game.

    … now, i ask you..

    … we never made it to the world series that year, but what good did Paul O’neil’s grit, will and determination get us that day?

    _______________________________

    this is baseball … it takes much more then one mans ‘will’ to win ANYTHING!

    … at least on the offense.

  215. marc November 7th, 2007 at 6:57 pm

    so let’s dismiss will, traits you admit exist in O!Neill,
    because Bernie pops up on the 1st pitch. It’s all part of the game and life, there are good traits and bad, why dump on the good ones. Give me a gritty, gutty team that won’t quit with timely hitting and decent pitching and you can win. I don’t care about all the numbers and stats.

  216. marc November 7th, 2007 at 7:02 pm

    and by the way, maybe if bernie would have imposed his will by bearing down and taken a few pitches we would have won that game.


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