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Karstens leads Team USA past Mexico

November
7

Jeff Karstens threw six scoreless innings for Team USA in the Baseball World Cup today in Taiwan. The U.S. beat Mexico 3-0 in its opener as Karstens allowed five hits with two walks and two strkeouts.

John Blundell of MLB is over there and told me that most of the questions Karstens received after the game were about being teammates with Chien-Ming Wang.

No word yet on when Jeff will pitch again, but we’ll keep you posted.

This entry was posted on Wednesday, November 7th, 2007 at 12:27 pm by Peter Abraham.
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76 Responses to “Karstens leads Team USA past Mexico”

  1. Phil - 27 in '08

    Good for Karstens!!!

    He can still prove to be a valuable pitcher in the MLB.

  2. baka

    Nice to see that, maybe we can use in a trade, or he can be our long man

  3. J-Dawg

    Karstens could have some value as a spot starter/long reliever. This year was a struggle for him from the start due to the elbow trouble and the broken leg in April. If he gets an injury-free campaign this year then just maybe we could see a bit of the promise that he showed in ‘06.

  4. saucy

    congrats to Jeff

    and hooray for a new Ad, ‘Kohl’s’. (No offense, laser hair removal for men!)

  5. J-Dawg

    “Injury-free campaign NEXT year.” Next year, not this year.

  6. Andrea

    Yay Jeff!

  7. DMan

    Nice. He might see some starts next season. The Yankees can’t pitch Hughes and Job the whole season.. Innings limit, and all that..

  8. mary ellen

    Atta boy, Jeff! He’s had some hard luck but looking good now – another young arm for ‘08! GO YANKS.

  9. mel

    Good Job, Jeff!

    Shh! Nobody tell him he may have just pitched his way off the Yankees. ;)

  10. Crawling Back

    Jeff Karstens threw six scoreless innings for Team USA in the Baseball World Cup today in Taiwan…...WAIT…make him the ACE of the staff !...come on now,,,do you REALLY think that the Baseball World Cup is a good indicator of how he will pitch NEXT YEAR in the MLB for the Yankees ? A leetle bandwagon jumping here,,,,don’t ya think ?

  11. mel

    It’s like 1:45 a.m. Thursday in Taiwan.

    So this game was actually played yesterday. We need to keep that in mind when following Team USA.

  12. DMan

    Crawling Back
    November 7th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
    Jeff Karstens threw six scoreless innings for Team USA in the Baseball World Cup today in Taiwan……WAIT…make him the ACE of the staff !…come on now,,,do you REALLY think that the Baseball World Cup is a good indicator of how he will pitch NEXT YEAR in the MLB for the Yankees ? A leetle bandwagon jumping here,,,,don’t ya think ?

    Who said make him the ace?

    He can be used as a long reliever or spot starter..

  13. Reasons

    Thanks for the update on Karstens. He’s not one of the 3 pitching prospects we regularly hear about, but could play an important role in the rotation down the road (especially if they end up trading one of the ‘3’). They extent of your coverage is much appreciated.

  14. nate c.

    i think it is great, even if it is against inferior competition. this kid needs to get some confidence and remember that he has a lot of talent.

  15. sunny615

    I think all this does is up his trade value… by how much … probably only Cashmoney knows. Karstens could be a solid 4 or 5 on an NL team… IMO that’s where Cash could use him as trade bait – for what – is anyone’s guess – probably an add on in a bigger trade deal.

  16. G. Love

    Sell High! Trade him now!

  17. Emobacca

    Jeff Karstens is not a “solid 4 or 5 starter”. Frankly with his stuff he will be lucky if he has a job at the major league level again

  18. Bryan

    News Flash: Karstens still stinks

  19. Ajax

    Hey Marlins….you don’t need Ian Kennedy for Migs. Look, this guy just beat the entire damn world. Repeat….you don’t need Kennedy. Karstens is better. You are getting sleeeeepy.

  20. Andrea

    Crawling: its called rooting for your players. No ones calling him an ace. Just happy for him is all.

  21. Rob

    If Karstens was any good Pete would have spelled his name correctly in the headline.

  22. sunny615

    good point Rob

  23. sunny615

    Emobacca
    November 7th, 2007 at 12:56 pm
    Jeff Karstens is not a “solid 4 or 5 starter”. Frankly with his stuff he will be lucky if he has a job at the major league level again

    I respectfully disagree… in the NL, facing weaker lineups, I think Karstens could fare pretty well…

  24. S.o.S.27

    Karstens just upped his trade value.

    What would it take to grab Hudson from AZ.? Cano plays third.I would bet less than(money and prospects)Cabrera,Rolen,Atkins,Lowell and Crede.

  25. DMan

    I respectfully disagree… in the NL, facing weaker lineups, I think Karstens could fare pretty well…

    Or the Devil Rays for that matter.. How could he not get a starting spot or pitch out of the BP for that team?

  26. DMan

    rats, forgot the blockquote on that one..

  27. The Lady

    I’m confused. What’s the difference between this tournament and the World Baseball Classic?

  28. TurnTwo

    i’ve liked Karstens because he pounds the strike zone and works very quickly. i think he definately suits the role of a spot starters and long man out of the pen, which i’ve read Girardi insists on having on his roster.

    i could see Karstens going in a trade for a mid-level player who is being displaced by a younger player, say for example, Scott Hatteberg in Cincy. Cincy always needs pitching, and Karstens could have success pitching to those lineups in the NL Central. Hatteberg’s option was picked up, but Joey Votto is ready to go.

  29. Emobacca

    Karstens is an extreme flyball pitcher who doesn’t miss bats, no major league team will knock on the Cash’s door for Jeff Karstens.

    I just hate that every young kid gets tagged with the “solid 4-5” label no matter how poor their stuff is. Do you really want to pitch Jeff Karstens every 5th day?

  30. Pepper Brooks

    Pete, just reading around some of your fellow journalist entries in local fish wraps.

    What percentage of your fellow journalists think about what they write rather than pulling from the AP wire and circulating stories? The Joe Crede/Johnny Damon story is an perfect example.

  31. Shamus

    IMO, the equation for the New York Yankees 2008 Roster.

    Right now, trade Ian Kennedy, Jeff Karstens, Tyler Clippard and Jose Tabata to the Marlins for 3B Miguel Cabrera. Throw in $5-7M, Beinfest is a whooa for cash, to quote Paulie from the Sopranos. They said publically that they want one of the Lethal Weapon 3’s, (Hughes, Joba or Ian), so give ‘em Ian, and some other good prospects, fill it out with cash for their new stadium. Plus, they have been looking for a young bonafide CF for a long time, since Pierre left a few years ago and Tabata is ranked high.

    Then, trade the farm for Johan. Just hear me out. Trade highly regarded prospect Alan Horne, plus Melky Cabrera, b/c you know Hunter is bolting, Humberto Dirty Sanchez, Chase Wright, any and all except Cano, Joba or Hughes. If they want Damon, we pay him off and send him on his way. I could see $5 more M being added to this to make it happen, especially with new balprak opening in Minn. as well.

    So, the Starting 5 is Johan, Joba, Wang, Hughes and Moose. Poss Pettitte? If not, then for delpth, go get Fatolo Colon for a one year, $5 M deal that is incentive laden, club option, etc. as back up.

    The infoeld would be set with Cabrera at 3B, assuming Minky comes back to 1B, would have to with just Roid-boy in the last year of his megadeal there, with Duncan surely being traded away. And for the OF, with Melky and poss Damon gone, you go Abreu in RF, sign Hunter 4 years, $70M to play CF, good glove, righty bat, great clubhouse, and then you have Matsui in left, sharing time with Damon if still around.

    Boom. I should be GM. Someone tell me how that doesn’t work. All those trades are pretty fair, I’d say. Its not like I am throwing out the Pavano for Ortiz and Manny ideas so many idiots on here do…...

  32. DMan

    Emobacca
    November 7th, 2007 at 1:08 pm
    Karstens is an extreme flyball pitcher who doesn’t miss bats, no major league team will knock on the Cash’s door for Jeff Karstens.

    I just hate that every young kid gets tagged with the “solid 4-5″ label no matter how poor their stuff is. Do you really want to pitch Jeff Karstens every 5th day?

    Well as the Yankees, no not at all.. But go take a look at some of the other pitchign staffs out there.. They could definitly use a guy like Karstens..It’s not like he’d be the best 5th starter in the league or anything, but he could definitly be decent in that spot.

  33. Emobacca

    “Someone tell me how that doesn’t work”

    You only gave up 1 decent pitching prospect and 2 pitchers who don’t project as a ML SP for Cabrera. Every team will blow that offer out the door

  34. sunny615

    Like I said earlier, I don’t think Karstens will get moved just because he pitched a shut out at the World Cup, but he may make an already exisiting package more appealing to the other team.

  35. Jamie

    WHy sign Hunter for 4 years when you have your future center fielder, Austin Jackson, a year or two away?

  36. Rob

    shamus: you are not getting Johan Santana unless Phil Hughes or Chamberlain are in the deal. Just because you give them 5 guys in return doesn’t mean you get Santana back.

  37. DMan

    Shamus-

    Also, with the Colon idea, the Yankees don’t do incentive laden contracts for players..

  38. Crawling Back

    DMan …... all I am saying is that it is really nice that he did well…but it means very little ….

  39. sunny615

    You don’t get top talent without giving up top talent. No one is going to give you one of the best hitters in the league for your third best prospect and 2 marginal ones. Even with Tabata included – he’s not ML ready and probably is another 2 years off. Marlins will expect Joba or Hughes and nothing less. If the Yanks don’t give them up, another team will give up their #1 to get Cabrera or a better propect than Kennedy with a higher ceiling.

  40. jennifer- congrats JOE G

    Can’t we be happy for the guy. Finally pitching and doing pretty darn well. He had a very difficult season, so lets not put him down.

  41. DMan

    lCrawling Back
    November 7th, 2007 at 1:16 pm
    DMan …… all I am saying is that it is really nice that he did well…but it means very little ….

    Ture, but him pitching well opens up more doors than if he had gotten shelled..

  42. jennifer- congrats JOE G

    I don’t want Colon on this team. He is injury prone and doesn’t seen to have a good work eithic. NO NO NO!! IN the last two years he pitched a total of 28 games!! HE is not that good!!

  43. S.o.S.27

    Colon? Wasnt he the one throwing batting practice to A hole. And also to the whole league last year? I would take Chase Wright over Pilsbury.

  44. Bryan

    the fake GM Shamus is hilarious

  45. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir)

    OH GOD !!!! CASHMAN PLEASE DON’T TRADE TABATA OR ACTION, AVOID THE TEMPTATION !! STAND TALL !!

  46. jennifer- congrats JOE G

    Brandon, I believe you are being serious. I don’t want to see either of those guys traded. Imagine two years from now when Johnny is gone and outfield of all our prospects.

    Melky tabata and action jackson. :)

  47. the todd

    shamus. the marlins want a CF … right now tabata is a RF and will be in the future. hes getting pretty heavy. clippard and wright have little trade value in my opinion, they aren’t going to get you anyone big like cabrera or johan.

    people have to remember, its quality not quantity when it comes to trading prospects.

    also cashman isn’t going to “trade the farm” it took him 3 years to make it a top 5 system in the MLB.

  48. S.o.S.27

    If the twins end up deciding not to trade Santana. How about a package for Peavy?

  49. DMan

    S.o.S.27
    November 7th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
    If the twins end up deciding not to trade Santana. How about a package for Peavy?

    I would love Peavy. Who wouldn’t?

    But I haven’t heard of him being on or anywhere near the trading block..

    I think they’d be crazy to trade him.

  50. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir)

    Jennifer, what scares me is Cashman may try to salvage a yr. for the franchise, I trust Cashman but if he lets Tabata or Action go trust I’m calling for his head everyday after that deal goes final, I mean what idiot GM trades top baseball OF prospects one is 19 the other is 21 :(

  51. IK 4 KK

    The Yanks should strike first with an offer to Lowell of 2 years at $10M/yr. = $20M that way Boston has to counter with more years and money i.e. a longer and/ or more lucrative contract which will hurt them. If Lowell takes the 2 and 20, sign him. If he doesn’t, forget him and hope Boston betters that offer.

    If Lowell can’t be signed, the Yanks should offer Ian Kennedy to San Diego for righthanded hitting 3B Kevin Kouzmanoff who posted .275 BA, 18 HR, and 74 RBI for only $380,800 in his first full year with S.D. this year. He turns only 27 years old next 7/25. S.D. could start Chase Headley at 3B.

    Damon LF L
    Jeter SS R
    Abreu RF L
    Posada C S
    Matsui DH L
    Kouzmanoff 3B R
    Cano 2B L
    Giambi 1B L
    Cabrera CF S

  52. McLovin

    i believe peavy will be a F.A. in 08 unless he re-ups w/ the pads, might as well wait and sign em then if he is something the yankees want

  53. S.o.S.27

    He will be a free agent the same time Santana is 09. They might want to unload him before its too late. Cash seems to have a good trading relationship with the Pads. Maybe trade Ian,Melky and other top prospects to land him. And while we’re at it give them Igawa(they wanted this year) for Kouz and put him at firstbase.

  54. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir)

    THE HELL W/ LOWELL ALREADY !!!

    splits stats away from Fenway he stinks

  55. raymagnetic

    Kouzmanoff is a bad 3B to put it kindly.

  56. Evil Fox Shill

    I love these posts that emphatically state, “you are NOT going to get Miguel Cabrera (or Santana, or whoever else) without trading Joba, Hughes, or Kennedy.” Why, because you said so? If you had this inside information, you wouldn’t have the time to be posting on someone’s blog about it. You’d be in Orlando drinking Crystal with Brian Cashman.

  57. jennifer- congrats JOE G

    I don’t think Cash will make the trade. But if someone tell him to he might not have a choice.

  58. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir)

    raymagnetic, a shi—y third baseman is Kouz ;)

  59. McLovin

    why the hell is everyone so desperate to trade all our prospects all of a sudden? my god…learn your lesson. Cash didn’t build this farm system up so much to just unload it all in one offseason. Peavy had a good season, but he got hammered by colorado in the one game playoff. He’s got good stuff and is definitely an ace, but he is not someone i would sell the farm for, that’s stupid.

  60. jennifer- congrats JOE G

    Why don’t we get Aaron Boone. We don’t need an All Star at every position. Plus we will come full circle. :) Maybe we can get him for a 2 year deal cheap. Who is available 08 or 09?

  61. DMan

    Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir)
    November 7th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
    THE HELL W/ LOWELL ALREADY !!!

    splits stats away from Fenway he stinks

    Its true. Away from Fenway he hit .272. Which is basically his career avearge.

    This not terrible at all, but hes going to be asking for more money than he’d be worth.. And more years..

    He won’t settle for 2 years from anybody. 3 is a minimum for him, but he’ll start out asking for 4.

  62. S.o.S.27

    Move Kouz to first. Still look for a guy to take over third base duties.

  63. the todd

    evil fox shill people say that because its true. the marlins have requested them …

    “Brian Cashman met with the Marlins at about 6 p.m. last night at the GM meetings. No offers were made, but a source with knowledge of the situation said the Marlins made it clear that the Yankees would have to include either Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain or Ian Kennedy in any trade for Cabrera, something the Yankees are not willing to do.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/11/07/2007-11-07_yankees_want_miguel_cabrera_wont_trade_b-3.html

    if you talk to cashman tell him to get my crystal ready. i’m coming to orlando.

    boosh.

  64. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir)

    it’s making me sick listening to FATCESSA and FRUITY LOOPS leading the brigade yeh the Yankees should trade Tabata in a deal and Cabrera would be the right deal, he’s 19 you fat idiot, I swear the only thing he knows about the Yankees is Bernie Williams

  65. mel

    Cashman is exactly what this team needs right now. He’s sticking to his convictions and tightening the belt. Now, other teams will know that when Cashman says something he means it. Look at the Abreu/Lidle (God rest his soul) trade, Gagne no-trade, and the Alex opt-out.

    No more of these we’ll pay YOU and TAKE your rubbish deals. You want to deal? Fine, just don’t waste our time or use us to inflate the price. And be prepared to blow us away if you want any of our top prospects.

    Cashman’s not going abandon the plan if the ship starts taking on water. He’s trying to do his job not save his job. Of course he’ll make mistakes, but which GM doesn’t? And please don’t tell me Theo doesn’t make mistakes.

  66. raymagnetic

    If I’m Cashman I’ll definitely trade Tabata for Cabrera if Hughes/Kennedy/Joba don’t have to be included. I’d probably trade AJax if the trioka don’t have to be included.

    Miggy Cabrera is a once in a lifetime bat. Tabata/Jackson are still suspects at the moment.

  67. S.o.S.27

    I read that the Marlins wanted two of our 3 pitchers and Melky. No way would i do that. These G.M.’s always seem to ask for the moon when it comes to the Yanks. Its like we are being blackballed every year. Marlins always seem to do give their players for less to other teams. Watch Cabrera go somewhere for a lesser prospect than Ian,let alone two of our guys.

  68. Crawling Back

    DMan …..I’ll say it is slightly better than getting shelled…..think of the “stage” he is on….oh, and by the way….Bah-Humbug ! :-)

  69. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir)

    I’m praying for you guys Action and Tabata, I’m seriously praying for you, the lynch mob is back again :(

  70. Theresa

    Shamus – you can’t just throw in $5-7 mil when you’re trading 4 players making the mimimum. Money is thrown in when you’re trading away a high salary player and are sending money to the acquiring team to help offset the cost of that player. There are some rules about money being involved in deals and Selig having to approve deals when more than a certain amount is involved. And that’s just the first thing absurd about your “equation”...

  71. pat

    If Cabrera was a free agent, what would his market look like?

  72. sunny615

    probably between arod and soriano.

  73. Clay Bucholz stole my laptop (aka Joe)

    “it’s making me sick listening to FATCESSA and FRUITY LOOPS leading the brigade yeh the Yankees should trade Tabata in a deal and Cabrera would be the right deal, he’s 19 you fat idiot, I swear the only thing he knows about the Yankees is Bernie Williams.”

    A caller this afternoon asked them about Alan Horne. It was obvious that they had never even heard of Horne.

  74. ZomgLOLz

    ZomgLOLzzzzzz!!!!

  75. Shamus

    Theresea sorry if I offended you, blogmaster!

  76. Bean

    Karsten said he was very impressed to see how popular Chien-Ming is when he walked into a McDonald’s and saw his big portrait poster hanging in there. And everybody knows he is a teamate of Chien-Ming Wang.

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