Little Stein speaks up; Roger over and out?
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 07, 2007 
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Two final items for today:
Here’s the latest from Hank Steinbrenner: “It’s pretty obvious which players we’re not going to trade. Chamberlain, Hughes and even Kennedy. Not for a position player.”
So maybe for a pitcher? Johan Santana is not on the market. Maybe the Yankees would want Jake Peavy. But bringing a NL pitcher to the AL is a risk.
Meanwhile, Roger Clemens told the Astros he wants to start his 10-year personal services contract with the team, which means spending time as an instructor and consultant. You can never say never with Roger, as agent Randy Hendricks said, but this could be a sign he will retire.
Brian Cashman said Clemens is not on his radar.
That’s it for tonight. The Meetings wrap up tomorrow and I’ll get a few posts on the blog before flying home.
I’m liking Hank more and more each day. We have always had a crazy, ornery dude for an owner and I like it.
He seems passionate about it, which is all you can ask for.
It’s a safe bet that this year was finally it for Clemens. There were so many injuries for him. The groin, the foot blisters, the elbow, and the hamstring. I just find it hard to believe that he would consider pitching and the possibility of putting himself through that stuff again.
I hope Hank means that and sticks to it. As appealing as some options would be, I agree. I consider giving up Kennedy if Santana becomes available, but until then, I don’t trade any of the big 3 kids for any position player.
agreed on Hank, I’ll take him over a silent tightwad a-hole (Pohlad)
Hank is awesome. I’m beginning to like him more and more each day.
As an aside, my friend and I are joking about how great it’d be to run a university course on Yankees/Sox. So of course I’m busy making a syllabus.
…I need to get out more, don’t I?
Most people here are overrating Kennedy, he should probably go in a deal for Miggy if it doesn’t include too much.
Rebecca:
Yes, you need to get out more. Don’t the have bars where you go to school?
Okay, this is me going to go weep in a corner…
We really need to get Po and Mo.
I hope all this talk of hitting the market is just posturing for more money.
At this point, they are going to test the waters. If they get monster offers and leave for somewhere else, people will blame the Yanks for losing Torre, but if they must point the finger, it should be at Cash for not tendering extensions at the start of the season.
Oh well, I’m not going to worry about things that haven’t happened yet.
We’re finally getting some info from the lately-tight-lipped organization. I’m starting to like Hank, as big a mouth as he has
Guys remember when Roger made a appearance in the Big Steins booth and made the announcement that he is comming back. He said Big Stein said something which he is going to keep close to his heart….I am curious what is it that Big Stein said to Roger????
There is a university in Maine that has a professor who teaches Red Sox Nation as a course. Pass/Fail not allowed. She has been doing this for years.
She fears that the poor, underdog RS are going to lose their identity.
And BTW, there are plenty of bars where Rebecca goes to school.
Rebecca:
NO need for tears. Go out. Have some non-baseball fun. C’mon, do you think our hero Pete Abe is weeping in a corner? Hell, no. He’s out hoisting a few cold coronitas. Go ahead. (I won’t tell anybody).
He said it was his last year, that A-Rod is his love child that he abandoned at birth, and that Clemens has to take care of him.
That and he is making more than Big Stien with that contract.
I think Kennedy would be a good choice por Miguel Cabrera.
But Hughes and Chamberlain are far more valuable than a position player (That’s because there isn’t enough available Good Pitching in the market).
But if Santana comes into the equation, that’s a different story. Like Cash said: “Nobody is untouchable”
Rebecca – What do you mean get out more? Posting on this blog isn’t going out?
What is it that Big Stein said to Roger?
Blah, blah, blah, warrior, blah, blah, blah, true Yankee, blah, blah, blah, here’s $24 million.
Hank can you please keep quite and let Cash run the trades. Like he would know if Kennedy should be traded for Cabrera, leave that to the baseball people. He speaks way too much.
NYY – I’ve also been wondering about what Clemens was saying for the past few months
As for Cabrera, I don’t trust him enough to get in shape (even with Joe Girardi’s intense drill-master type personality) and I don’t want another guy clogging up the DH position in a few years… Maybe I’m being naive but I don’t see Joba, Kennedy, or Hughes being big-league busts. I have tremendous faith in all of them.
Murphydog: Do you actually think I’m crying
?
I get out plenty. Just not this week, cos I have the GREs Saturday, so I at least have to pretend to study!
Po’Arod–Yep, I know. My friend, who I’m doing this with, is a Sox fan and brought up that course when we were joking about it, which made me go, DUDE WE NEED A YANKS SOX COURSE!
“I hope Hank means that and sticks to it.”
Same here. It’s one thing to say it but if he/they stick to what they say – the Yankees brass can get major respect from the fans & media.
some sound reasoning re: the 3 kid pitchers………..finally………
murphydog: Dude, I’m not really crying. I’m plenty calm. Heck, I won a Phil Hughes hat a couple days ago and yesterday found out I’m getting free bobbleheads as well, so I’m chipper.
Except for the part where I have to take GREs on Saturday, but we won’t mention that.
So Wang is not on his list of no-trade – means they would like to trade Wang?
Testing…
…I get out plenty? Please post?
wooo..let’s bring in Jake Peavy. He’s another big game performer — especially in the postseason — just like C.M. Wang, right folks?
CaptainsCorner, hank steinbrenner is a big baseball guy and is involved with a lot of the scouting and things of that nature with the yankees. That’s always been his strength. So when he says these things, he actually does know what he’s talking about. It’s not like George who just liked someone for their big name or what they did the year before.
ummmmm, Dave….comparing Peavy to Wang is very very wrong. Who ever said Wang was a big game pitcher? no one ever made that statement unless you know something that most of us don’t.
I don’t understand how the Yankees would turn down a deal for Cabrera if it included Kennedy, Cabrera and maybe a lesser prospect. That would be a steal on the Yankees’ part. The same can’t be said for Hughes and Chamberlain, but Kennedy has never been projected as anything more than a middle-back of the rotation pitcher. People are overrating Kennedy and trying to find flaws in Cabrera’s game. Yes, he isn’t perfect, but he also is without a doubt a top 5 hitter in all of baseball.
Why are people so willing, almost EAGER to trade Kennedy?
I think he’s going to be really good!
my point is that we don’t need another postseason choker on the roster (e.g. Wang)
Achilles, why are you trading away a pitcher(that you won’t replace with anyone in return), creating a huge hole in Center by trading Melky, and then throwing in yet another prospect for yet another OFFENSIVE player? The yankees don’t need offense….they need pitching. I have no problems trading Melky as long as he brings the yankees an ace type pitcher.
so you are saying Peavy is a choker? what makes you say that Peavy is a choker? because he lost against the Rockies in the play-in game? Sorry but you are going to have to show me far more than that to discredit Peavy as an ace.
I kind of wish that the Yankees would re-sign Dougie Fresh (I am NOT typing out that name). Sure, he’s not a great bat, but he’s great defensively, and he only made like $1M or $1.5M last year, and with how much they pay people, and iwth no A-Rod to pay, it doesn’t seem like much.
His plays at first make me gasp. I like it.
“hank steinbrenner is a big baseball guy and is involved with a lot of the scouting and things of that nature with the yankees”
i thought he spent his time breeding horses…
Tommy, if the yankees are going to trade any of the big three, Kennedy is the guy who is graded the lowest out of the three.
Lidge to Phils http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7421230
right, but he was always a big baseball guy from what I have read and what has been written about him. He’s always been the guy who loves the statistics side of the game and working with the scouts.
I think thte Yankees would do well to see if Pettitte is coming back before trading away Kennedy.
Rob, here’s Peavy playoff numbers…
2 Lg Div Series 0-2 2 2 12.10 0 2 0 0 9.2 19 13 4 5.
That’s why he’s labeled as a choker in the playoffs, then count his performance against the Rockies, and you don’t have a pretty sight.
Now Rivera’s agent says Mo will probably test the market. Cash offer him 3 years $42m. That is the top offer. Cash can you stop having cocktails with the GMs and get busy with signing Mo!!!
Rivera’s agent, Fern Cuza, was in the Dominican Republic on Wednesday with another client, Pedro MartÃnez. Cuza said he was awaiting a new offer from the Yankees, who met with Rivera on Oct. 30 in Tampa, Fla.
“I think we’re probably going to just go on the market and see what’s out there,†Cuza said in a telephone interview. “We’re not too far off from that period.â€
Love Michael Bourn, but surprised that was all the Stros got. I’ve always thought Lidge had enormous potential… it’s good for the Phils. The bigger shock in that article was that Tom Gordon is still the setup man. I thought his entire body was broken lol you would’ve thought he’d have retired by now
“so you are saying Peavy is a choker? what makes you say that Peavy is a choker? because he lost against the Rockies in the play-in game? Sorry but you are going to have to show me far more than that to discredit Peavy as an ace.”
how about 2005 and 2006 postseason?
http://www.baseball-reference......ja01.shtml
Joe, thanks, i didn’t know the stats from what he did in the playoffs.
Andrea! Shame on you! There is no space on this board for that kind of forward thinking and lucid analysis. How dare you young lady.
Rob:
I know Kennedy is the low rated one of the three kids.
I just have a feeling about Kennedy.
I’m not as sold on Hughes as everyone else. Joba, yes. Phil, maybe.
thanks for the numbers, Joe, Rich. you’re more web savvy than I’m
Peavy for Hughes and Melky??
tough call
think I would pass
Mike R: I’m sorry! What was I thinking! Trade Kennedy NOW! Trade them ALL!
Kennedy, Melky, Horne etc. for M Cabrera is a no brainer….
That still probably wont get it done from the Marlins end
Hank has it right, period. Don’t trade the “Big Three” no matter what! Cabrera has great natural talent, but he’s a fatty, and always will be a fatty. He’s just going to keep plumping up until one day it will be like have Sid Fernandez at third base. Not pretty!!! No thanks…
What the hell do the Marlins want with good players anyway?
On another note…I’m psyched that the Yanks want to re-sign Molina. That’s a deal that needs to get done sooner than later, in my opinion…
That’s better Andrea, but put a little more effort into proposing lopsided trades okay. I’ll give you an example. How about Horne, Steven White and Melky for BJ Upton.
Andrea – They have to make at least a half-hearted attempt to act like a major league team now and then!
wow good move by the Phillies Brad Lidge can be dominant
I will fall in love w/ this Steinbrenner if he starts putting the no touch label on Action Jackson and Tabata till then I’m still comparing him to 5 levels above James Dolan
Lidge needed a change of scene BADLY. Still, I’ll be curious to see if he gets his mojo back in Philly…
The Phillies just need to make sure that Lidge doesn’t have to face Albert Pujols whenever they face the Cardinals. Lidge hasn’t been quite the same since Albert’s monster home run off of him in the ’05 NLCS.
At least won’t have to face Pujols too many times next year lol
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a ball hit so hard and so far as that Pujols homerun. Man, what a bomb that was…
the Phillies pitching coordinator fixed JC Romero and Alfonseca I expect a dominant Lidge next season
Chicago Dave- I’ll never forget Pettitte’s reaction in the dugout. You could see him say, “oh my gosh!”
The Yankees can upgrade their offense, defense and bullpen all they want, but the only acquisition that will make the team a WS favorite is the addition of a guy like Santana…. someone you can count on for two victories in each playoff series. The Yanks haven’t had the kind of high quality depth in the rotation needed to sustain playoff success since Andy and Roger first left.
They need Santana, Garland (if Andy retires), and they need to keep Joba in the bullpen next year if they are going to be legitimate contenders. Going into a playoff series with CM Wang as your ace is too dicey a proposition… sometimes a bunch of groundballs find holes, it happens. No one would want to face Santana, Wang, Garland and Mussina/IPK in a series, with Joba and Mo in the pen (along with IPK for long relief).
The Yankees need to either get serious about rebuilding and stick to what they’re preaching (sounds a lot like “Bubba Crosby will be our CF this year” talk to me – which is somewhat unfortunate)… or they need to acquire the one player who will without a doubt (or as little doubt as you can have in this game) make them the most dangerous team going into the playoffs.
remember how silent the crowd got
Has Lidge recovered yet from that Pujols HR?
Cabrera is a phenomenal hitter, who brings too much baggage.
Lack of conditioning was an issue with the Yanks in 07.
I know we have a new manager, but it was still an issue.
Lidge is going to the Phillies? Did he sign with them or was traded?
J-Dawg – Leave it to Andy to have a G-rated reaction to a homer like that, right? (Such a good family guy…) I think everyone else in the stadium was saying “Holy S@%t!!!”
Mike R: how about…Kennedy (I feel like he’s in every trade proposal, and who am I to take him out…), Tabata and Marquez (let’s just get rid of ALL our pitching) for Chipper Jones.
And when someone tries to tell me that Chipper is Atlanta’s version of Jeter, I will argue that they are letting Andruw Jones go and he has been with their franchise forever, so perhaps they are inloading everyone.
I’m good at this perposterous trade thing!
Rachel, I was a big Pujols fan because I hated the Astros , I remember that night like it was yesterday, he hit that wall in LF and that place was bananas till that one pitch..
HAHAHAHA suffer Stros’ !!!
Achilles17
The problem I see is if you trade Kennedy for Cabrera and Santana becomes available, there’s no way of trading for him without giving up Hughes or Joba.
IMO, Joba and Hughes are untouchable and Kennedy should only be considered in a trade for Santana. Every team has a finite number of prospects, and the key is if trading them, to trade them for the right pieces. Pitching wins and that needs to be the Yanks focus now.
Garland is not that good. I’ve seen enough of his games with the Sox to know. Some nice stats, but WAY too hittable.
That Pujols kid is pretty good, maybe we should get him to play first base.
But Brandon how could you have rooted against the Stros with Pettitte and Clemens – that was the only reason I was rooting for anyone
Here’s my ridiculous trade for the evening…Hughes, Joba and IPK for Ty Wiggington. He can play third, can’t he?! HA!!! I kill myself…
Based on interviews and such, I got the impression that Garland didn’t much care for the Yankees. He insisted if he were traded to NY he wouldn’t shave his face…. Doesn’t sound like someone who wants to be a Yankee. Not that shaving your face is the be all end all, but if Johnny Damon did it, who are you, John Garland, to think that you can get out of it?
seriously though Dave the only reason Iwould contact Houston wuold be for oswalt or Lidge… now one out of the two is gone
come on, ChiDave. At least mine was a LITTLE believable…
Rachel, I not to long ago the Stros’ did something in our home, my middle finger never went higher
Chicago Dave,
You’ll have to throw in Alan Horne too, or maybe Jose Tabata.
Andrea – I think I might cry. I have never been so proud. You can officially say that you could do Cashman’s job better than him.
I can’t see how Santana gets here without giving up Hughes/Joba.
If you want Santana that badly, then Hughes would have to go.
And Pujols is the BEST hitter in the game, not Arod! Beats him in BA, OBP and Slugging.
Andrea – That IS believable. At least, it’s believable given what other teams have asked the Yanks for in trade scenarios over the past few years.
Meanwhile, I bet Theo could offer Julian Tavarez and Julio Lugo and walk away with Cabrera. Seriously…It’s a joke how other teams bend over for that guy.
leave JOSE TABATA ALONE !!!
Mike R: I recently had a job interview at a publishing firm in Hoboken. The guy asked me my dream job. I said either the president of my undergraduate university or the GM of the Yankees. To my surprise, this guy who publishes nonfiction, largely political books goes “but Brian Cashman does a lot of work!”
Ok, it wasn’t that recent, this was in August when the team wasn’t doing so well and I think it was when Sean Henn was blowing games. So I was surprised he knew who Brian Cashman was. I said “yeah, but really, can it be that hard?” I was kidding of course. Cash obviously does a lot of work.
The guy interviewing me and I decided we’d probably like to be Sean Henn. He sucks at his job, but still has a job, and makes a lot of money. He doesn’t make A-Rod money, but even at league minimum, he probably makes more than either of us will ever make (not you, Mike R, as I have no clue what you make. But definitely more than me or publishing guy).
I’m glad I’ve made you proud.
I would never in my life ever root against Andy Pettitte.. as someone said, he didn’t even curse when that ball went out – I mean seriously! Nobody has a kid-friendly reaction to soemthing like that but Andy
I remember that the Phillies were insisting on Hughes in the Abreu trade a couple of years ago. They didn’t back down until th deadline when they realized nobody else was gon to take him.
Whoa, Brandon. Deep breathes. My trade proposal is meant in jest.
I honestly can’t think of anyone with whom I’m willing to part at the moment that someone would be willing to take.
BTW, how did Cash get away with giving the Angels Jeff Kennard for Molina? Was it cause he was FA at the end of the season? That was the easiest trade EVER.
Mike R. – Yep, that’s exactly what I’m talking about!
Is Jeff Kennard actually any good?
What I love about Molina is he had that Yankees (for lack of a better word)stereotype in mind, where he assumed it was all business, and he became friendly with all the fun-loving guys like Melky, Robbie, I guess even the veterans like Abreu and Arod and he realizes what kind of a team the Yanks really are (or are quickly becoming)
it’s nothing personal Andrea it’s that Tabata is 19 yrs. old a Manny Ramirez meets Jeter type of hitter, and a good COF w/ a strong arm, I don’t want to let him go.
I’d rather move Melky before Tabata or Jackson and I love Melky
Everyone is missing the possible hidden good news from the Phillies trading for Brad Lidge. This could be the biggest sign that Mo is about to sign. The Phillies have been mentioned as a team that would have gone after Mo if he made it to free agency.
So is it me or is the offseason crazier than normal?
Or only just for yankees fans?
Joe, Phillies getting Lidge still doesn’t knock out Mo not signing w/ us, though Mo will sign probably by weeks end
nah Rebecca it is crazy this year.
Good news for this Phillies and Yankees fan on the Lidge trade. This takes the Phillies OUT of the Mo sweepstakes and being as Mo has said he wants to place close to home and I dont see him with the Sox or Mets I personally think the re-signing of Mo just got a LOT closer to happening.
Now for teh Phillies fan in me now we can move Myers back to the starting rotation and we really did get Lidge for not a lot. I really like Michael Bourne but we have lots of OF. Greg Geary was ok this year not Lidge though
Rebecca – I think it is (just for us) – but isn’t it better that way?
Brandon, I know, but I don’t see Mo signing far from NY if he left. The only team who is good and needed a closer near NY is Philly. I’m just thinking maybe the Phils were told Mo won’t be available. Hey, I’m trying to be optimistic, it beats me proposing a Ohlendorf, Veras and Melky for Santana deal.
Yanks can not sign Molina until they sign Posada. Molina would want to wait just incase Posada doesn’t come back and then he would ask the Yanks for more money.
So, seriously, is Jeff Kennard any good? I’m truly curious…
Cash get busy and sign Mo already!!
Rivera’s agent, Fern Cuza, was in the Dominican Republic on Wednesday with another client, Pedro MartÃnez. Cuza said he was awaiting a new offer from the Yankees, who met with Rivera on Oct. 30 in Tampa, Fla.
“I think we’re probably going to just go on the market and see what’s out there,†Cuza said in a telephone interview. “We’re not too far off from that period.â€
keep Kennedy… he will be comparable to Buchholz. The Yanks have a ton of other pitching talent they can trade.
CaptainsCorner, he’s not going to the Mets, he’d rather slit his wrist than that
Thanks Brandon!!! I appreciate the info.
Brandon and Rachel: Yup.
It’s certainly better this way! Makes it seem like the baseball season doesn’t end!
Mo, please, for the love of all that’s holy, SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE
Thanks!
I don’t see Mo going to the Mutts…But Jorge? Yeah, I could actually see that happening.
your welcome Chicago Dave
I think I’m honestly enjoying thinking about all these player moves than just being in the middle of a pennant race in june with nothing to talk about
Anyone besides me think won’t be the closer here anymore in the third year of this deal??
Edit: talking abt Mo there
Mo ? yeh it’s only a matter of time till Mark Melancon takes the CL role, he is flat out nasty
Rachel – How do you figure? Who else are we going to find to close?
Speaking of future relievers, I see Ohlendorf as a future setup guy, but I was thinking, everyone was hailing JB Cox as our next closer, is he still supposed to be that good after being out all year??
Ahhh…Brandon to the rescue again!
Still, I think Mo will be the closer as long as he wears the Yankee uniform. It just wouldn’t seem right otherwise!
Well that’s the thing. Our bullpen is semi-in-shambles right now.. but this year I actually held my breath every time he came into a game. And it was just a gut thing. There was nothing in my mind saying he would blow it. But as the year went on, he just kept scaring me. I know everyone says it happens to him every year toward the end of the year but this was different – it was like the decline was beginning – and I think it’ll start being a rapid decline and we won’t be hearing enter sandman in as clutch situations anymore (with joe t i would say something dif bc of the trust thing but joe g has the common sense to play whoever is going well, thats all)
Then Chicago Dave I hope for a short contract and a young closer waiting in the wings to catch him if he falls. And it would absolutely crush me if he played for any other team
Rachel – Yes, I agree with you to an extent. There’s no question that Mo’s years as a completely dominating closer are behind him, but he’s still damn good. Heck, if the Tigers could keep Todd Jones as their closer, and the Indians are sticking with Borowski…Well, I think the Yanks are safe with Mo for a few more seasons!
In general, though, the Yankee bullpen needs some significant re-tooling.
I think for our sanity, Mo has to retire a Yankee.
He would not look right in any other uniform.
Detroit making a play for Mariano and the Mets for Jorge seems to be the rumors out there.
Rebecca – AGREED!!!
Philly has been mentioned for Mo too.
Absolutely agree… I just have this weird thing about not wanting these old guys closing out games. I guess I’m taking Mo for granted but i feel like he’s going to be worse than people thing. And I’m also worried about his arm because I don’t know how Girardi’ll use him, and he IS baseball-old for goodness sake
MO was lights out in the CLE series this year!
Rachel – Well, I guess the only thing to do is just cross our fingers and hope everything goes well for Mo, Girardi and the Yanks next season (and beyond), right?
Rachel–In 1999 I decided that Mo was my favorite Yankee, so I have thus followed his career religiously.
He pitches poorly in April, and he pitches poorly in August. He is lights out in October, except when playing Boston, in Fenway, in 2004.
Yes, he’s past his prime, but he is still the Sandman.
Exit light
Enter night
Take my hand
We’re off to Never Never Land
I like IPK and think he has great potential. But sometimes I think his worth is inflated by being lumped in as part of the big-3. The kids kind of became a symbol of hope for us. If he was coming up alone and with the same talent and performance, I get the feeling he wouldn’t be considered as untouchable.
lol Rebecca does this mean I should see it as a waring sign if he has a good April? JK… I just think he wore out down the stretch this past year and we’ll never know how much use is too much for this guy because he puts himself out there every single day
Dee, he moved through the system faster than Joba, I have never seen this in my life. Also Kennedy dominated every level he moved up to, A ball , AA, AAA his SO:BB were disgusting
Rachel–He’s like Martin Brodeur in so many ways…
Jeez, if Philly got Lidge for that pile of driftwood, I wonder if Cashman was evee in on him.
He would have been one helluva set up guy for Mo and if Mo walked, he’d be a good candidate to close and keep Joba in the rotation.
Oh well.
I do think Philly getting a closer helps the Yankees chances with retaining Mo. I don’t think would want to move his family that far from this area and Mo’s NY Grill.
Dee – The game he pitched against Toronto was enough to seal IPK’s reputation as “the real deal.” Besides, if he was our only quality starting pitching prospect right now, you better believe the Yanks would be holding onto him for dear life.
I actually think the Yankees are playing a little overvalue the prospect with IPK in the hopes of him landing one of the big fishies out there in Cabrera, Santana, etc.
By including him in the same conversation with the other guys they either think he’s that good or they are trying to pump him up so they can deal him and save Hughes/Joba from any talks.
The best way to accurately compare Hughes, Joba and IPK is to let them all pitch in the same starting rotation (i.e. Yankee rotation, not minor league rotation) for a full season.
oh no not the Devils! Rangers all the way!
G.Love, the thing about IPK is that he is cerebral, Pedro at watching your bat, reminds me of how young Mussina use to paint corners and has a Duque type presence, he just out thinks you & has the nasty stuff to ground out or strike you out to death.
Trade Kennedy for Cabrera. That is a no brainer and should happen. Yankees have enough pitching to let one go. Yes, he may be the next ace of the marlins, but the offensive output of Cabrera will mean so much more in the end.
Although I can understand the tight grasp on the young pitchers by the fans. We aren’t used to the Yankees actually having pitching talent waiting in the wings. This is somewhat new to us. There are plenty more behind Kennedy coming up. Yanks can afford to send one away to get Cabrera or even Santana. Kennedy would still be in AAA when 2008 started anyway as there isn’t enough room for him, if Pettite comes back.
TRADE KENNEDY TO REPLACE AROD AS IT WILL PISS AROD OFF.
Young and has the ability to put up ARod numbers without the attitude. We can use a Manny-esque hitter on the team. Miggy being Miggy. Time to have some fun and lose this business like atmosphere. It’s baseball people, not Halliburton.
You girls still care about hockey?! Get with it…Hockey officially died with the strike.
Anyone want to make predictions on Kei Igawa ’08? I say 5.8 ERA
Hey I would never defend hockey because they are doing nothing to help themselves (vs…) but I’ll till root for a team and listen to their games
4.99 ERA
If Igawa ends up pitching for the big league club in 2008, then we’ll know the Girardi era started off in a truly disastrous fashion.
Igawa? 1.27 ERA, pitching for the M’s. While we have Beltre…
Sure.
LOL
Kennedy is not perceived as an overpowering pitcher as are Joba/Phil.
His pedigree and numbers are outstanding.
Many people just don’t equate a guy like Kennedy with the “ace” tag.
I love Kennedy.
I think Joba is a special talent.
Phil? Could be great, could be Mark Prior.
Know what would fix things up with the Yankees? Give Giambi some more juice. His problems at bat would disappear. He’d hit for power, run like the wind, and be that big bad dude we know and love so well.
I am horrible at making predictions, but I’ll say that Kei sticks around with the Yankees as a lefty on lefty reliever and has a 4.17 ERA.
the syringe is missing in Giambi’s life but eh, I rather try and dangle him
1) I would not trade Hughes, Chamberlain, or Kennedy for anyone, period. They are all VERY promising, young and cheap. Good pitching is just way too hard to come by these days.
Also, keep in mind these guys still need some time to mature and build innings. Given that fact, the uncertainty of Pettitte’s return, Mussina’s deteriorating performance and the likelihood of someone on the staff being injured at least part of the season, we will need as much pitching as we can get.
2) Some of you guys (and gals) are delutional. Cabrera is possibly one of the best young players in the game. NO WAY is he coming to NY without New York offering a return package centered around Hughes or Joba.
3) Mo and Posada’s best days are behind them. But, they are both lifelong Yankees and fan favorites. More importantly, there are no practical alternatives available to replace them, especially Jorge. They must be resigned, even if it means overpaying.
Hey Joe G is the Man:
I’m wary of Cabrera, but I love the “Miggy being Miggy” line. Any comparison to Manny is worthy in my book.
“He’d hit for power, run like the wind, and be that big bad dude we know and love so well.”
…And he’d provide his own musical accompaniment with the maracas between his legs! (These are your nads on ‘roids…YOWZA!!!)
what’s weird about No-K Igawa is that it’s either 8 K’s w/ 6 BB and 3 ER w/ 1 single allowed or a game when his arm just doesn’t like to throw strikes.
ah now I know who he reminds me of !!!
HIM
Brandon – Wow, what a low blow to Victor Zambrano! Igawa is way worse than Zambrano (or, at least, way worse than Zambrano at his best).
well both had trouble making it past 5 IP, both hit batters and back stops instead of gloves, both had strikeout potential than lose the strike zone
Yes, they both suck…But I still think Igawa is the worse of the two!
No-k >>> not Carlos
Chicago Dave & Brandon –
Points well taken. I’m not down on Kennedy at all and wouldn’t want him traded, not even for Cabrera especially with the weight issue. I’m seriously just curious about the big-3 phenomenon. I’m very interested in player and team perceptions and to me (this is subjective I admit), it seems like Kennedy is really benefitting the most from this big-3 protective bubble than if he was on his own.
From Roto
“Marlins discussed a Cabrera deal during the summer, with Chad Billingsley, Matt Kemp and James Loney going the other way. According to MLB.com’s Jim Molony, the Marlins turned it down”
Playing the prediction game?
http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....semen.html
Go and predict the Yanks ’08 third baseman! How hard can it be, my brother guessed ‘tony batista’!
Hughes being the centerpiece of a trade for Cabrera works as well. Hughes had a nice start against the Rangers, but he wasn’t all that impressive overall. Let Hughes be the centerpiece for Santana or Cabrera. At least with Santana you know you have a proven pitcher who can handle the AL.
Good pitching is hard to come by and why the Yankees have been smart these past couple of years and have been stocking up. Trust me when I say, there are plenty more coming up the pipeline and losing one won’t hurt. 2 months into the season, you will all be singing the praises of another pitching prospect and Kennedy will be long off your radar. Yankees did good. They have pitching for years to come and for blockbuster trades like Cabrera or Santana. Cashman also isn’t dumb. There will be more asked of the Marlins than just Cabrera. He is good at getting potential prospects thrown in and will from the Marlins. They are a bad team, but they get nice draft picks.
huge posts always kills blog movement
That, and bedtime.
I like the Cashman’s position. I like the fact that Hank’s smart enough to follow the brains. I like Kennedy. I like Joba. I really like Hughes. He’s a fighter. I like Girardi. There’s a lot to like in ’08.
Prunes can help with that….. a few each day and you’re regular.
I like the 3rd baseman. He’s really good. Who is it again… the name skips my mind.
I like the 3rd baseman better than Girardi. Don’t like him. We’ll see how he does, but I just don’t like him.
Yeap. 08 looks great.
So far the yankees only need a few key players.
Prunes can help with that….. a few each day and you’re regular.
lol. A very wise old lady once told me that eating an orange each night keeps you regular.
[quote]“Marlins discussed a Cabrera deal during the summer, with Chad Billingsley, Matt Kemp and James Loney going the other way. According to MLB.com’s Jim Molony, the Marlins turned it downâ€[/quote]
That’s as good a package we could give the Marlins
In fact that’s over paying by a fair but in my opinion.
Mean Mr. Mustard,
Maybe your 3rd baseman can come back and manage the Yankees in ’08. He would smash the old record salary for a manager.
I bet CashMan would give up Kennedy or possibly even Hughes in a big package where he gets Cabrera and Willis. Maybe a huge package with Kennedy/Melky and 2-4 of Bruney, Britton, Marquez, Horne, Clippard, Karstens, Veras, Rasner, Jackson, Beam, Desalvo, Henn, Ramirez, Wright, Sanchez, Gonzalez, Phillips, Miranda, Sardinha or Mussina.
Cabreara AND Willis would require trading ALL three of our young starters plus 2-3 more prospects, and even that probably would not get it done.
[quote="Vin"]The Yankees can upgrade their offense, defense and bullpen all they want, but the only acquisition that will make the team a WS favorite is the addition of a guy like Santana…. someone you can count on for two victories in each playoff series. The Yanks haven’t had the kind of high quality depth in the rotation needed to sustain playoff success since Andy and Roger first left.[/quote]
I agree completely with this. I assume that’s why little stein said that the big three aren’t going anywhere for a position player. You have to consider trading any of them if you have the opportunity to pick up a young, hard throwing ace.
i guess that’s not how you do the quote thing