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Cash pursues a deal late into the night

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 08, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I just left the lobby of the Hyatt Grand Cypress. The bar was closing down but Brian Cashman was going strong talking with Sam and Seth Levinson, the agents for Jorge Posada.

I can’t tell you for sure they were discussing a deal for Posada. But I’m guessing Cash wasn’t in the lobby after midnight for kicks.

Meanwhile, I was standing about 40 feet away talking baseball with Scott Boras and a few other writers. I needed a quote from him for my A-Rod story (which I got) and the rest was mostly in the interest of getting to know him better.

Boras is a fascinating character. He’s operating on a different level than 95 percent of the people in his business. It would be an education to spend a few days watching him work.

He didn’t have anything particular to say about the Yankees beyond that he considers the door still open to negotiate with A-Rod. He’s also clearly annoyed with how the media portrayed the situation when Alex opted out.

But he says it all with a smile. Boras is holding the cards and he knows it. The papers rip him, the fans curse him and the owners probably want him shipped off to Iraq. But he almost always gets what he wants.

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I just flipped through the comments from today. Two things:

I love people trying to figure a way to get Miguel Cabrera or Johan Santana without giving up actual talent. Most of the trade proposals I’ve seen are apparently based on the other GM being on crack. Sending five Class B prospects to a team does not equal two blue-chippers.

And while trying to read between the lines of what agents and GMs say is fun, it’s generally a waste of time. Every agent threatens to put his client in the open market and every GM pretends they don’t care.

Most free agents (non Boras division) either want to stay with their team or not. Those that do will generally make the best deal they can regardless of deadlines. Those that don’t will leave unless the team makes them a crazy offer. All the rest is just noise in pursuit a few more thousand.

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214 Responses to “Cash pursues a deal late into the night”

  1. sunny615 November 8th, 2007 at 1:43 am

    Holy crapolies – go to bed m’man…

    I’m off to sleep myself…

  2. sunny615 November 8th, 2007 at 1:45 am

    No one here better criticize your hard work – you are one dedicated dude – both to your job and to your “blogfans”.

  3. Ethan November 8th, 2007 at 1:51 am

    Thanks Pete! Great reporting 24 hours a day. This blog keeps the off-season interesting.

  4. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 8th, 2007 at 1:51 am

    Pete has more patience then me, if Bor-RRRRRRRat were to take an interview w/ me his face would be planted in cement , I’m sorry it’s just how I feel about that S.O.B.

  5. JBRO November 8th, 2007 at 1:53 am

    Thanks for the late night update

  6. CaptainsCorner November 8th, 2007 at 2:12 am

    They also could of been talking about Lowell. Which I doubt because everyone believes he will go back to Boston and I dont want him anyway.

  7. Joel November 8th, 2007 at 2:15 am

    Have an extra cocktail or two before that post, did ya Pete? :)

  8. jonnycat November 8th, 2007 at 2:17 am

    great up to the minute news pete! keep up the good work!

  9. whoa November 8th, 2007 at 2:32 am

    I have ZERO (=0) interest in trading for Santana.

    But I have a jones for Cabrera.

  10. Andrea November 8th, 2007 at 2:49 am

    People never sleep. I love it.

    I also love the dedication of Cashman and Pete.I have the most awesome image in my head of what must be going on at these meetings :).

  11. RockinDaBronx November 8th, 2007 at 2:54 am

    damn, I always thought George had Cash tucked in by 9.

  12. kasey Anderson November 8th, 2007 at 3:51 am

    thank you, pete, for hopefully quieting some of these armchair GM’s down. i stopped reading through the comments a while ago because they were littered with outlandish trade “proposals.”

  13. Wyatt Irked November 8th, 2007 at 4:20 am

    O.k. I’m laying down the law right here and now to everyone here incl. Peter :)

    RE: JOHANN SANTANA

    The Minnesota Twins will not trade Johann Santana before or during 2008 for these reasons:

    1. They will lose Torii Hunter to free agency. If they trade Santana, they’re not only telling Twins fans “We’re not competing for 2008 and probably for the next 3-5 years” but they’re losing half their best players, the other half being Mauer and Morneau who then see the team isn’t about keeping players. I could see one or both of them being annoyed to pissed off.

    2. They have a bond issue for their new ballpark. If they let go of Hunter and trade Santana, the new ballpark will be opposed and killed as who wants to give a new stadium to a team who lets go of and trades half their best players and what’s to stop them from ultimately bidding farewell to the remaining best players after that? You’re getting a new stadium then shedding your best players including one of the best starting pitchers if not the best one (I think he’s the best) in M.L.B?

    3. Santana would never accept joining a new team in the middle of a walk year esp. if it’s a switch to the N.L. where he’d have to learn all the hitters he’s never faced there and bat (which puts him at risk for injury in the batter’s box or on the basepaths). He also might not want to be used to replenish Minnesota like Mussina didn’t want to be used to replenish Baltimore in his final year with them (2000). Santana could simply say he’s not signing an extension or re-signing with whoever gets him and the deal is off cuz no way a smart team trades 3-4 players for one year or less rental player. Only a stupid, desperate team with a g.m. looking to get fired or be pushed onto the plank
    trades for Santana without extending him. You know Cashman would never trade for Santana without locking him up.

    4. Santana will most likely want to become a free agent and see what he could get. I’d imagine he’d ask for 8 years because that’s what Mike Hampton got from Colorado and $20M/yr. cuz he’s certainly worth more than 2007 Andy Pettitte who made $16M. So we’re talking a minimum record $160M here, folks. If Pettitte returns for at least $16M next year then retires and the Yanks let go of Mussina after next year, the Yanks would have a minimum $27M coupon towards signing Santana (Pettitte’s $16M + Mussina’s $11M for 2008), $32.75M with Farnsworth’s $5.75M off the books after next year as well. You could even throw in Abreu’s $16M off the books minus the hopefully far less than $16M cost of a new RF (or a re-signed Abreu) as well. Santana would cost the Yanks only $160M – ($48.75M – money saved in RF) or less if Pettitte gets > $16M next year.

    RE: MIGUEL CABRERA

    Ian Kennedy will have to be the starting point in any deal for Cabrera as I don’t see the Yanks trading Chamberlain or Hughes. Cabrera will probably cost 4 players. One of them should NOT be Melky Cabrera because if you trade Cabrera, the outfield defense and defense as a whole is an utter mess:

    Posada re-signed C: Average at best, who knows about 2008 on?
    Giambi/Betemit/Duncan/Phillips 1B: AWFUL. ‘Will cost the Yanks at least a game or two next year.
    Cano 2B: The ONLY above average defensive everyday player with Melky gone.
    Cabrera 3B: Below average.
    Jeter SS: Below average SS the Yanks will have to move to LF at some point.
    Matsui LF: Below average.
    Damon CF: Average at best. I could see him lose it next year with a bad enough injury.
    Abreu RF: Below average.

    Miguel Cabrera’s RBI total would really be RBI minus runs he and the outfield gives up on defense.

  14. Wyatt Irked November 8th, 2007 at 6:10 am

    Minnesota isn’t trading Santana before 2008 cuz that’s them putting up the white flag before 2008 even begins. They’re not trading Santana during the season either cuz then opponents of the Twins’ new stadium will fight to stop the ballpark from being built and for good reason: the team is crap without Santana. I seriously doubt Santana would want to be traded in the middle of a walk year and no way he’d be cool with going to an N.L. team/ to the N.L. where he has to learn new hitters, bat, and risk injury in the batter’s box or on the basepaths in his walk year. So what if he isn’t cool with a trade, he can’t do anything to stop it you say? Oh yes he can. He can simply not sign to an extension with whoever he’s traded to or re-sign with whoever he’s traded to, and that would kill any deal cuz I can’t see a smart team giving up the cream of their farm system crop for a year or less rental player. He will most likely want to be a free agent after next year and see what he can get.

    The only guy I could see the Yanks including in a trade for Miguel Cabrera is Ian Kennedy. I don’t see them trading Chamberlain or Hughes.

  15. Sherri November 8th, 2007 at 6:35 am

    Pete, thanks for all your hard work!! I read your blog daily (if not hourly) and you give us great stuff! It’s almost like being there! Keep up the good work!

  16. Andrea November 8th, 2007 at 6:50 am

    kasey: no no, my proposal was good. I think I said Kennedy, Tabata and Marquez for Chipper Jones.

    I was scolded by someone for thinking logically and saying perhaps Cashman should hold onto Kennedy (just my opinion) until Pettitte makes a decision), and he said, in jest, that I should be more like the other posters and come up with absurd trades. I like my trade. Get rid of two pitchers and go for a position player that is probably not available at all :)

  17. murphydog November 8th, 2007 at 7:10 am

    Following the credo of any good trial lawyer, Boras never asks a question he doesn’t already know the answer to. Boras is better informed than some GMs and at least as well informed as most GMs about their own teams and players, and the alternatives to his player. He probably understands what is really going on in baseball at any given moment better than almost anyone. (You can tell him, “no,” but you can’t tell him he doesn’t know what he’s talking about). A-Rod’s abilities and work ethic only serve to push Boras’ preparation and zeal to new heights.

    As much as Bill James and the SABR contingent have helped change the game, Boras has pushed the Commissioner’s office and the owners to keep up with him. If Boras could ever walk away from his business, he would make a fascinating Baseball Commissioner.

  18. Jim PA November 8th, 2007 at 7:18 am

    Cashman’s a cool, level-headed guy, even though the three blind Steinmice aren’t. I trust he’ll get done what needs to get done, soberly weighing pros and cons, and I won’t turn on ESPN one day and choke on my coffee hearing about some off-the-wall deal made in a panic.

  19. Shamus November 8th, 2007 at 7:20 am

    Hey Woah–

    Zero interest in Santana but jonseing for Cabrera? Have you been watchig the NYY for, ohhh, the last 7 years? Names like Giambi, Matsui, Sheffield, A-Rod, Areu ring a bell? Did they get us No:27? On the flipside, remember names like Randall Red Arse Johnson, Jaret Wright, Carl Pavano, Jeff Weaver, Kevin Brown, Kavy Vaxquez? Did they win anything for us?

    My friend, it is all about the pitching. If I have to give up Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera, Jeff Karstens and Humberto Dirty Sanchez, then I wasnt an ace in return, a la Santana or Kazmir (an AL ace, not an NL ace like Peavey). We don’t need the next Manny Ramirez, a guy that thinks a bat is a toothpick, a guy that getss fatter and fatter evert trip around the bases.

    Drop a low-level prospect and grab a salary dump or health risk, for no more than two yeas… Miguel Tejada? Yes. Eric Chavez? Yes. Brabdon Inge? Yes. Joe Crede? Yes.

    Scott Rolen at three years and $36 m? HELL NO !!!!

  20. Shamus November 8th, 2007 at 7:21 am

    Kennedy, Tabata and Marquez fir Chipper Jones? I live in Maine, but I will travel anywhere and pay any price to be able to buy and smoke whatever you are puffing on!?!?!?!?!

  21. mary ellen November 8th, 2007 at 7:32 am

    Pete, I hope you’re guessing right that Cashman was making a deal for Jorge – good stuff. I have a feeling that the 3rd base position will be filled by some crazy convoluted deal made with the Yankees and 2 or 3 other teams combined. Just that kind of a market this season, not a lot of FA’s to choose from. Love this time of year, it’s so interesting. And you Mr. Abraham, make us fans feel like we’re a part of it – thanks alot!

  22. DMan November 8th, 2007 at 7:32 am

    I tihnk we all need to conclude at somepoint that there are no attractive third base options out there..

    Or, there are a couple options, but they’d cost us more than they’re worth..

    Lets focus on the bullpen instead.

  23. Andrea November 8th, 2007 at 7:41 am

    I was trying to come up with a totally ridiculous, yet unique, and almost believable, trade idea. Clearly I’ve succeeded! I was totally joking. Besides the fact that the braves wouldn’t trade chipper. I felt left out of the awful trade ideas! I wanted to join in.

  24. TurnTwo November 8th, 2007 at 7:42 am

    speaking of the bullpen, did anyone see what the Astros got back for trading Brad Lidge? It’s like they practically gave him away for nothing. I know the guy has had some issues the past couple seasons, but he was back to just about lights out the second half of last season.

  25. TurnTwo November 8th, 2007 at 7:44 am

    and one 3B target i havent really heard mentioned would be Mark Teahan in Kansas City. He was replaced at 3B by young phenom Alex Gordon last season, and was put in RF. As bad as they need pitching, you cant tell me the Royals wouldnt take a couple of pitching prospects below the Big 3 level for the guy.

  26. randy l. November 8th, 2007 at 7:56 am

    murphydog-
    agree with your assessment about boras. i wish he was in the yankee organization. i have a question for you since you have always been a consistent supporter of cashman. what is up with his creating a seemingly permanent throw away position at first base.
    he seems to look at it like we looked at right field when we were kids in sandlot games( throw the crummy kid out there).
    every team that the yankees play has a better first baseman.
    wouldn’t it make sense to upgrade at first base to recapture some of the runs lost at third base? if you think i was obsessed with back up catcher last winter and spring ,wait till this year if cashman takes up three roster spots to have the worst first base production in the american league again.
    and on that back up catcher note. did it ever occur to cashman that if he had a decent back up catcher in the spring then posada wouldn’t be in there everyday piling up numbers that cashman would be paying for in 2008 and onward. everything affects everything else. i’m still not convinced cashman is a creative,comprehensive thinker. he seeems to get stuck on a program and can’t get off- like having crummy first basemen and not seeming to be the least bit concerned.

  27. ZomgLOLz November 8th, 2007 at 8:07 am

    lets trade giambi for miggy cabrera straight up llllolllllzzzz

  28. TurnTwo November 8th, 2007 at 8:11 am

    randy, you have to take into account:

    1. Jason Giambi, 6 or so years ago, was the Yankees 1st baseman of the future. when you spend $20 million at a position, even for the yankees, it doesnt allow you the opportunity to have a $10 million backup option to fill in just in case Giambi doesnt pan out. is it Cashman’s fault that Giambi, now in the last year of his deal, would have faded as a star so quickly into his deal? i dont think so, but that deal is now in its last year, and i’m sure the yankees have a contingency plan in place (maybe in-house Juan Miranda) going forward when Giambi is ready to go.

    2. the yankees are not the only team without a true backup catcher. they were very fortunate back in the day to have Girardi there to mentor Posada, and then let Posada take over nad be the force he has been. But catching is a position that across the league, even the perennial great teams are lucky if they have a solid everyday catcher, let alone a very good backup option.

  29. jennifer- congrats JOE G November 8th, 2007 at 8:14 am

    Wait the bar closes at 12pm that sucks!! :P

    I really hope they get Jorge done, we can’t afford to lose him. I believe he really wants to stay in NY and more importantly with the Yankees. He has a lot of ties to NY I can’t see him leaving.

  30. jennifer- congrats JOE G November 8th, 2007 at 8:16 am

    Damn lack of edit button. I meant 12 AM!!

  31. Dee November 8th, 2007 at 8:19 am

    Wow Pete, thanks for your hard work. Given what we all get out of this blog I find people who nitpick you just for the sake of it seriously ungrateful and just plain rude! Oh and classless…hee:-)

    So when does your Boras piece come out? Can’t wait. So you guys were 40ft away from Cash huh? I’m picturing a staredown pingpong match between Boras and Cash. Cash is probably too nice for that and he had real business to focus on with Jorge’s agents but the version in my head sounds fun.

  32. randy l. November 8th, 2007 at 8:29 am

    turn two-
    i agree the problem revolves around the money invested in giambi. but cashman is falling into the fallacy of thinking because he’s already invested money in something that is no longer valuable, that he has to keep it. the money spent on giambi is gone. there is no logical reason to say no more will be spent on first base. this is a prime example of cashman getting rigid in his thinking.
    catching is at a premium. we agree on that. posada does too . that’s why he’s going to get 4 years at 15 million per year because cashman played him so much his stats went through the roof. smart gms keep player stats down in contract years. it may be unethical ,but it’s part of the gamesmanship of gms. cashman seems like it never occured to him that posada was piling up some amazing numbers.

  33. Vinny November 8th, 2007 at 8:32 am

    The Rays are looking for young bullpen help and although the Yankees need bullpen help of their own, Scott Kazmir sounds real good in the Yankee rotation even if Pettitte decides to come back.
    Kazmir is arbitration eligible and the cheap Rays may not want to pay.

  34. Doreen November 8th, 2007 at 8:38 am

    Randy l. –

    Are you crazy? Maybe I’m naive, but why would you sit a player who’s producing? Especially when you have a mediocre pitching staff, who needs every run scored? Also, Posada is not the first player to have a “career year” in a contract year – so, again, maybe I’m naive, but who are the GMs who make their most productive players sit out so that they can save a few bucks?

    Not only that, but, was Cashman prescient or something, that he was certain that Jorge’s production would continue throughout the season, without much of a letdown, when historically that has not happened to him?

  35. myrtlebeachfan November 8th, 2007 at 8:38 am

    If Giambi works hard in the offseason, he will have a good season. .265, 35 hr, 115 rbi. even last season he hit a good amount of homeruns for at bats and he was never in good shape. Let’s not count out a former MVP just yet. Him and Damon will have great years next year.

  36. jennifer- congrats JOE G November 8th, 2007 at 8:38 am

    For those that misses Yankee hot stove on Wcbs here is a link

    http://www.wcbs880.com/pages/1182310.php

  37. randy l. November 8th, 2007 at 8:38 am

    message to cashman:
    just for practice sign a batboy. sign on an intern for free. sign someone. and then since back up catchers are so difficult to find and everyone agrees molina fit in so well, sign him immediately. even if you overpay, it’s overpaying for such a small amount it just doesn’t matter. just do it.

  38. Eric November 8th, 2007 at 8:38 am

    Nothing worse than some moron coming up with a trade proposal here.

  39. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 8th, 2007 at 8:39 am

    So apparently for Christmas, we need to get BOTH Pete and Cash a sleep package! You know, lavender sheet spray, heat wraps, sleep music…

  40. myrtlebeachfan November 8th, 2007 at 8:39 am

    I’ve been saying we should trade for Kazmir since the season began. That guy is great, Cy Young capable. He just needs an offense and he will become one of the best pitchers in the league. He’s the real deal and young. Let’s get him.

  41. The D train November 8th, 2007 at 8:41 am

    Cashman seems non-committal with signing Mientkiewicz. It’s possible the thinking is to give Juan Miranda a long look in spring training.
    Meanwhile, Cashman needs to get Molina, Jorge, and Mo signed to at least get the catching and closer situations solved.

  42. jennifer- congrats JOE G November 8th, 2007 at 8:42 am

    But for what price?

    Also anyone know if the guys the Phillies gave up for Lidge were any good. He might be a sleeper. I think Lidge just needed a change of scenery.

  43. John Long Island November 8th, 2007 at 8:42 am

    Counting on Giambi?

    The only thing they are counting on with Giambi is that his contract runs out after next season.

    He became a different hitter in NY. He doesn’t use the whole field like he did in Oakland. Makes a huge difference. He used to be a real tough out because he was unpredictable.

    Now its feast or famine if he is even healthy.

    The Yanks proved they are a better team without him in a full time role this year. He’s a good weapon for the bench and a good lefty DH but expecting to him to hit close to 40 homers??? Crazy talk.

  44. TurnTwo November 8th, 2007 at 8:42 am

    its not rigid thinking on BC’s part, but you just cant spend any more on a position that you are paying that much for.

    and you can make him the full time DH, but now that role is being filled with the extra OF, and a rotation including Jorge, so then you’ve got a $20 million hood ornament on the bench. if you’re cashman, you just have to bite the bullet, plug in what you can, and ride it out and hope Giambi stays healthy enough this last year to give you some production.

    and GM gamesmanship to keep Jorge’s stats down? that might be the most absurd thing i’ve ever heard. so you want Cashman to go over the head of the manager and tell the manager he has to sit jorge in the middle of a playoff chase, because you want to keep his stats down so you can resign him for cheap next year? thats disgusting.

    and just stop with the Kazmir thing already.

  45. J-Dawg November 8th, 2007 at 8:42 am

    I’ve been a bit lazy and I haven’t tried to come up with any ridiculous trade proposals yet. I’m starting to feel a bit left out, so I’ll have to come up with something impulsive and idiotic. Well, those two words probably describe my usual posts. :)

  46. jennifer- congrats JOE G November 8th, 2007 at 8:42 am

    I don’t understand the delay on Molina. That should be an easy deal to get done. He said he wanted to remain a Yankee and he was our best back up in YEARS!!

  47. Peterson November 8th, 2007 at 8:43 am

    If there is one guy who knows the Phillies system it’s their former GM Ed Wade. WHo is now Astros GM.

  48. Peterson November 8th, 2007 at 8:45 am

    Kazmir needs more than an offense to be a great pitcher.

    How about lasting more than 5 innings every start?

    You can’t blame his won-loss record on the pen when he only goes 5 innings.

    You take the bull by the horns and you start going 7/8 every start so your crappy middle relief doesn’t ruin it for the team. That’s what a good pitcher does.

  49. TurnTwo November 8th, 2007 at 8:45 am

    basically, for Brad Lidge, the Astros got an expendable middle relief guy, and a fringe everyday CF who has a little more pure speed than Melky. it’s an awful deal on Houston’s part.

  50. Bob Glassberg November 8th, 2007 at 8:48 am

    From the Times this morning

    “The Orioles also need a closer because of injuries to Chris Ray and Danys Báez and are interested in Kyle Farnsworth, who was developed by the Chicago Cubs when MacPhail and Manager Dave Trembley worked there.”

    Welcome news! The O’s also don’t want to carry the two years of Tejada’s contract.

  51. DMan November 8th, 2007 at 8:51 am

    TurnTwo
    November 8th, 2007 at 8:45 am
    basically, for Brad Lidge, the Astros got an expendable middle relief guy, and a fringe everyday CF who has a little more pure speed than Melky. it’s an awful deal on Houston’s part.

    Seems that way… The Yankees need to be out to make deals like this for BP help right now too..

    Honestly, priority wise I think the way it should be approached is:

    1. Posada, Rivera
    2. The Bullpen
    3. Pettitte
    4. Third base
    5. First base

    I think theres way to much focus on third base right now.

    Not that Lidge is a guy the Yankees really wanted, but there has to be a few teams out there shopping some BP pitchers…

  52. sunny615 November 8th, 2007 at 8:52 am

    jennifer- congrats JOE G
    November 8th, 2007 at 8:42 am
    But for what price?

    Also anyone know if the guys the Phillies gave up for Lidge were any good. He might be a sleeper. I think Lidge just needed a change of scenery.

    The biggest piece of that puzzle was Michael Bourn who is a solid leadoff guy with speed and power. Basically our Jackson or Tabata (if he doesn’t get any bigger).

    From SI:
    Bourn, a left-handed hitter, batted .277 as a rookie this year with one homer, six RBIs and 18 steals, seeing limited time as a defensive replacement in an outfield that included Pat Burrell, Rowand and Shane Victorino. Hunter Pence will move to right for Houston.

    “We receive a speed center fielder, a top of the order bat, who we think has the ability to be a catalyst for our club for a long time and hopefully set the stage for Hunter Pence and (Lance) Berkman and Carlos Lee to drive him in,” Wade said, remembering when Bourn won a race among prospects at the instructional league after the 2004 season. “He’s an outstanding athlete.”

  53. sunny615 November 8th, 2007 at 8:56 am

    jennifer- congrats JOE G
    November 8th, 2007 at 8:42 am
    I don’t understand the delay on Molina. That should be an easy deal to get done. He said he wanted to remain a Yankee and he was our best back up in YEARS!!

    I think Cash has to worry about Rivera and Posada first. Pettitte second and then the backups… but I have no doubt Cash has already reached out to Molina’s agent to let them know the Yanks are still interested and are getting the numbers ($$) and years from his agent. It’s all negotiating and that takes time. I don’t think Cash is going to say “what do you want in terms of length of contract and pay? Sure! You got it!” I’m certain he’ll make the deal happen with the Yankees best interests in mind.

  54. jennifer- congrats JOE G November 8th, 2007 at 8:57 am

    Thanks for the info Sunny.

  55. jennifer- congrats JOE G November 8th, 2007 at 8:59 am

    Oh I understand that Jorge and Mo are most important believe me. But wouldn’t Molina’s be the easiest contract to get done? They are working very hard to come to terms with years/money with Jorge and Mo. It shouldn’t take that long with Jose.

  56. pat November 8th, 2007 at 9:00 am

    Molina would probably like to know if he’s projected to catch 25 games if Posada comes back or likely more than that if he doesn’t. The dollars he would agree to might be very different with the different scenarios.

  57. DMan November 8th, 2007 at 9:01 am

    jennifer- congrats JOE G
    November 8th, 2007 at 8:59 am
    Oh I understand that Jorge and Mo are most important believe me. But wouldn’t Molina’s be the easiest contract to get done?

    Im not sure how easy it would be.. I mean I think Molina could actually start for a few teams out there.. The Yankees need to sit down with him and figure out what it’ll take for him to remain a backup.

  58. randy l. November 8th, 2007 at 9:01 am

    “so, again, maybe I’m naive, but who are the GMs who make their most productive players sit out so that they can save a few bucks?”
    it’s done all the time. players have to complain to the players association if it goes too far.
    my main point is that cashman paints himself into a corner with his thinking sometimes and doesn’t seem to connect the dots and realize the implications of his decisions. he gets stuck on a position like back up catcher or first base for years and doesn’t seem to be able to upgrade it. he’s great on young pitching, but not so great on putting together a bench or a bullpen.
    … and one more thing ( in a weak attempt to add some humor here),he wears cheap golf shirts while in florida. that striped golf shirt he wore for days during the torre saga said tourist all over it.
    cash- you’re in florida all the time. quit looking like a tourist.

  59. TurnTwo November 8th, 2007 at 9:01 am

    I certainly wouldnt mind building a trade around Farnsworth to take Tejada’s contract for the next 2 years.

  60. murphydog November 8th, 2007 at 9:02 am

    randy1:

    “smart gms keep player stats down in contract years. it may be unethical ,but it’s part of the gamesmanship of gms. cashman seems like it never occured to him that posada was piling up some amazing numbers.”

    That’s a stunner. To me that’s the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. I think maybe GMs on teams that are not competitive do that, but not the Yankees.

    1st base is one of the places you can see Cashman trying to turn 180 degrees on the team’s old philosophy. He was “stuck” with Giambi last year, whether it was his idea or George’s trophy hunting that brought Giambi to the team, we all know it was too big and too long a contract.

    Cashman’s “younger, more cash flexible, more athletic” strategy dictates that changes to get on that path must also be cost effective, or else he’s undoing his plan before it starts. In other words, he’s not throwing good money after bad or giving away cheap talented youth unless it’s the dream scenario. The 1st base situation wasn’t the reason the Yankees didn’t get past the first round. Pitching was the reason. Did Giambi prevent them from having the pitching they needed? Maybe indirectly because of the salary inflexibility he caused, but then again you have to also drag in the corpses of every failed pitcher the Yankees have had over the last 7 years.

    Sure they need a regular 1st baseman and backup catcher. They also need a 3d baseman and need to hold onto their young stud pitchers to stay young, flexible and more athletic. Gone are the days of giving a multi-year deal to an aging Free Agent who is nothing more than a one year fix. Cashman has to nail down Po and Mo first and then go on to 3d base, 1st base and backup catcher. I think they’ll sign Molina. IMO, the 3d base – 1st base dilemma will be a zero sum game, the more spent at one position, the less available for the other.

  61. J-Dawg November 8th, 2007 at 9:03 am

    The Yankees are definitely in need of bullpen help, in particular lefty set-up men. They may try to squeeze something out of Kei Igawa. He may be ready to make an impact next year after a year of seeing Major League hitters. They could also sign Japanese lefty Hitoki Iwase. Iwase was mentioned the other day as a cheaper option. That sounds like it would be a good move. Who knows, the Yankees could get lucky and Iwase turns into their version of Hideki Okajima. Sometimes, getting lucky is the name of the game.

  62. Jax November 8th, 2007 at 9:04 am

    Kennedy,Tabata or Jackson,Marquez or Horne should get a M.Cabrera deal done.

  63. sunny615 November 8th, 2007 at 9:06 am

    myrtlebeachfan
    November 8th, 2007 at 8:39 am
    I’ve been saying we should trade for Kazmir since the season began. That guy is great, Cy Young capable. He just needs an offense and he will become one of the best pitchers in the league. He’s the real deal and young. Let’s get him.

    The thing about Kazmir that unsettles me is his delivery. It’s a strenuous delivery and it’s given Kazmir arm and shoulder problems in the past and IMO, he’s one or two more seasons away from surgery. Besides, he’s still a relatively inexpensive solid top of the rotation starter… that won’t come cheap. Devil Rays GM Andrew Friedman will ask for Hughes or Kennedy on top of several other top players and prospects. Dunno if it’s worth it.

  64. murphydog November 8th, 2007 at 9:08 am

    Jax:

    Disagree. For a top tier offensive threat, the Marlins have to get back a top tier pitcher, like Hughes or Joba, that will be pitchable in ’08. It’s “talent for talent,” not “quantity is quality.”

  65. hmmm November 8th, 2007 at 9:08 am

    “Sending five Class B prospects to a team does not equal two blue-chippers.”

    this is probably the one concept that is hardest for people to grasp. you are absolutely correct.

    guys like Chase Wright and Jeff Karstens have NO trade value in a deal for a star player. none.

  66. pat November 8th, 2007 at 9:10 am

    Jax

    If the Marlins turned this down:

    “Marlins discussed a Cabrera deal during the summer, with Chad Billingsley, Matt Kemp and James Loney going the other way. According to MLB.com’s Jim Molony, the Marlins turned it down”

    Not sure exactly what they are looking for but the Yanks aren’t going to get away cheap.

  67. sunny615 November 8th, 2007 at 9:10 am

    Jax
    November 8th, 2007 at 9:04 am
    Kennedy,Tabata or Jackson,Marquez or Horne should get a M.Cabrera deal done.

    um… no thanks.

  68. hmmm November 8th, 2007 at 9:10 am

    “kasey: no no, my proposal was good. I think I said Kennedy, Tabata and Marquez for Chipper Jones.”

    i would jump out a window if the yankees made this trade.

  69. murphydog November 8th, 2007 at 9:10 am

    IMO Kazmir is a season ending injury waiting to happen.

  70. murphydog November 8th, 2007 at 9:11 am

    hmmm:

    Agreed. I’m the guy jumping from the window next to you.

  71. B November 8th, 2007 at 9:12 am

    “basically, for Brad Lidge, the Astros got an expendable middle relief guy, and a fringe everyday CF who has a little more pure speed than Melky. it’s an awful deal on Houston’s part.”

    It was only for 1 year of Brad Lidge. He’ll be a free agent at the end of the year, so it’s really a pretty good deal for the Astros.

  72. DMan November 8th, 2007 at 9:13 am

    J-Dawg

    I just tihnk they need to hurry up and decide what they want to do with the BP.

    If they sit around and focus on third base for to long, a lot of the BP options out there will be gone..

    Is the Bullpen going to be filled with rookies like Karstens, Igawa, Olendorf, Edwar, etc?

    I mean if thats what the Yankees want to do, then fine.. But if not, they need to hurry up and find some options..

  73. B November 8th, 2007 at 9:14 am

    If the Marlins did in fact turn down Chad Billingsley, Matt Kemp and James Loney for Miguel Cabrera than we can just stop mentioning him. Kemp and Loney are better players than any position prospect we can offer and Billingsley is better than Kennedy.

  74. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 8th, 2007 at 9:16 am

    The Bullpen is a huge concern, so as such, I don’t think it’s something you ‘hurry up’ with. I think it’s something you take your time with, to make sure you consider ALL options. It was our undoing in 2007, we don’t want the same in 08!

  75. TurnTwo November 8th, 2007 at 9:17 am

    The thing with Miguel Cabrera is that the longer the Yankees hold out in a trade, the better their chances are of prob getting away with a lesser package.

    No matter what, he isnt going to come cheap. But, while the Dodgers and Angels have better packages to offer in theory, they are two organizations that are notorious for not trading prospects for anyone.

    The way that the Yankees held the line with the Phillies for Abreu is the way they have to pursue Cabrera. They have to be ready not to get him, but they should continue their interest in him, and IMO, if the Marlins are really dedicated to move that payroll, they’ll buckle… you’re still going to have to give away talent, but you might get the Marlins to throw in a Tankersly or another player in their package going out to get the deal done.

  76. pat November 8th, 2007 at 9:17 am

    DMan

    Agree. I’m betting third base isn’t going to get resolved for many weeks and may require trading someone who is ML ready. The bullpen can be addressed through trades if necessary with some of the 2nd tier or lower prospects and to a lesser degree through free agency. If the Yanks new plan is to devalue the importance of offense in favor of pitching, they need to commit to that full on.

  77. sunny615 November 8th, 2007 at 9:18 am

    Apparently now, Hank Blalock is available via trade… wonder if Cash is in on this and what the Rangers would expect for Blalock.

  78. randy l. November 8th, 2007 at 9:20 am

    murphydog-
    the right decision to make about the wasted money at first base is to just write it off and make decisions as if no money was wasted. the money is gone. what can be done to get a good first baseman from this point on? what difference does it make whether the production comes from first or third. both are equal holes. at the present time, the yankees have bad first basemen and bad third basemen. they paid a lot 5-6 years ago for a first baseman. i don’t see how that matters on what they decide to do for 2008.

  79. YankeeFan4Eva November 8th, 2007 at 9:20 am

    I think now that Florida is officially listening for Cabrera and they may be packaging in Willis(whom had a bad year but I think he can be effective)I will trade away only Kennedy, and 2 other minor leaguers for that trade. In a heart beat.

  80. B November 8th, 2007 at 9:20 am

    TurnTwo,

    The Dodgers under Ned Colletti have shown a definite willingness to trade prospects. He favors veterans. Also the Angels have a new GM and after Stoneman held all their prospects only to see their value fall, I assume he’ll be willing to deal.

  81. B November 8th, 2007 at 9:21 am

    Unless Hank Blalock can continue to play his home games in Arlington, I’m not interested.

  82. pat November 8th, 2007 at 9:21 am

    I’ve read numerous places that Blalock is not available. Where did you see/hear he was?

  83. DHC November 8th, 2007 at 9:22 am

    Randy I, two ways I think you’re wrong about Cashman.

    One, that he’d have been smart to make Torre sit Posada during a year when Jorge was possibly the most reliable hitter on a team that needed him badly — not to mention a year when for months we had no decent backup catcher.

    Two, and here as a New Yorker I think I’m on pretty safe ground, that he wants to look as if he belongs in Florida.

  84. Jax November 8th, 2007 at 9:22 am

    I don’t know what exactly the Yankees are willing to give up and who the Marlins will take but if you where to ask me where M.Cabrera would end up, my guess is the Bronx.

    Teams that are likely interested in him like the Mets,Angles,Dodgers,Giants,Red Sox,Yankees,I would say the Yankees and Dodgers have the best shot to get him. But I think the Dodgers would probably have to give up Kershaw.

  85. murphydog November 8th, 2007 at 9:23 am

    If the Angels are really in the A-Rod stakes, it’s pretty unlikely they can get seriously involved with Miguel Cabrera. That leaves the Dodgers. With less teams to drive up the price, the Yankees can drive a harder bargain – maybe. But I agree they have to be ready to walk away.

    Blalock? Interesting. Texas should give him up to the Yanks for nothing since the Yanks helped A-Rod opt out and cancel Hick’s $21 mil. debt.

  86. mel November 8th, 2007 at 9:24 am

    Sean McAdam did a winter forecast for the Yankees. Usual doom & gloom. Just a little irritated how they mention Joba and Ian as “farm aid”, but left Phil out of the article. Interesting that he said that Tabata could help out if he continues to progress. Who’s further along? Jackson or Tabata?

  87. hmmm November 8th, 2007 at 9:24 am

    “if you think i was obsessed with back up catcher last winter and spring ,wait till this year if cashman takes up three roster spots to have the worst first base production in the american league again.”

    believe it or not, the yankees did not have the worst first base production in the league. they were 9th out of 14th.

    not great, or even good, but enough to allow them to blow away the league in runs scored.

    also, Teixiera will be a FA after this season. it is entirely possible that Cashman does not want to tie up 1B with anything more than a stopgap and plans to go hard after Tiexiera after this season. we really don’t know.

    it’s hard to say that he simply doesn’t care about 1B, we don’t know what is going on behind the scenes.

    i think the yankees should be able to piece together league average production at 1B this year with Betemit, Duncan, and Giambi. then they can shed Giambi’s $20M and go after a FA next offseason.

  88. DMan November 8th, 2007 at 9:25 am

    Rebecca–Optimist Prime
    November 8th, 2007 at 9:16 am
    The Bullpen is a huge concern, so as such, I don’t think it’s something you ‘hurry up’ with. I think it’s something you take your time with, to make sure you consider ALL options. It was our undoing in 2007, we don’t want the same in 08!

    Well I agree with you Rebecca, but there are teams that are going to beat us to the punch.

    If the Yankees are mostly looking at options for thirdbase, they might miss an oppurtunity to pick up a bullpen guy..

    But, then again maybe they’re content with what they have now. A mix of Igawa, Ross, Karstens, Edwar.. Maybe mix in a few other rookies.. Maybe hope Sanchez comes back really strong..

    I’m just afraid while the Yankees are in talks for a third baseman, we’ll see a trade go through for a solid BP pitcher, and we’ll all be tihnking ‘Hey, we could have sent better players/prospects to that team!’

    I’m sure the Yankees aren’t completely ignoring the BP, but it feels like they’re paying the most attention too thirdbase, and I don’t think they should be…

  89. murphydog November 8th, 2007 at 9:26 am

    Jax:

    Maybe you’re right about Cabrera coming to NY, but that’s the thinking that Cash is tying to undo. Cabrera comes to NY on NY’s terms only, not just because there’s a big checkbook here. Cashman is working hard to make other GMs’ expectations more realistic.

  90. DHC November 8th, 2007 at 9:26 am

    But Randy I agree with you about that first base money. It’s gone. The team can’t afford to juggle a bunch of platooners out there for another year just because a prior investment was wasted. The Yankees print money anyway, and they just got even richer with the departure of Bo-Rod. Spend some of it fixing a real weak spot.

  91. TurnTwo November 8th, 2007 at 9:27 am

    Where have they shown they’ll trade prospects? I know that they’ve played vets over prospects, which was the wrong decision, but I havent seen them trade those prospects anywhere yet. Same with the Angels; they have a new GM, who might be willing to be a little more aggressive.

    But I’ll believe it when i see it.

  92. pat November 8th, 2007 at 9:28 am

    murphydog

    Why wouldn’t the Angels explore the Cabrera option fully before making any committment to A-Rod? They’ve got the players to trade and the offensive production would be similiar at a much lower cost. If a Cabrera deal goes down, it will likely be before an A-Rod deal goes down.

  93. Jack Florham Park November 8th, 2007 at 9:28 am

    Just thinkin out loud, but earlier in the year wasn’t there some conjecture of a Giambi-for-Figgins deal, with the Yanks throwing in some cash? That would solve the leadoff and 3rd base issue, no? That would also make Damon expendable (for a solid reliever).

  94. hmmm November 8th, 2007 at 9:28 am

    “the right decision to make about the wasted money at first base is to just write it off and make decisions as if no money was wasted. the money is gone. ”

    i actually do agree with this concept 100%, i just don’t see anything to spend additional money on at 1B right now.

    maybe we should wait until ST to declare that both 3B and 1B are holes?

  95. long time November 8th, 2007 at 9:29 am

    forget blalock he’s a lefty they need a right handed bat, Melky, Jeter,and Posada isn’t enough too combat a lefty starter or out of the bullpen

  96. jennifer- congrats JOE G November 8th, 2007 at 9:29 am

    Jackson is tearing it up in the Hawaiian league.

    I’d stay away from Donrelle. He is another pitcher with a poor delivery waiting to happen. He is also another NL pitcher. When will we learn not to bring NL pitchers to the American League? HE had an awful season last year his era is 5.17 he gave up 29 homeruns!! 29!!!! 241 hits in 205 innings!!

  97. sunny615 November 8th, 2007 at 9:29 am

    pat
    November 8th, 2007 at 9:21 am
    I’ve read numerous places that Blalock is not available. Where did you see/hear he was?

    John Heyman SI.com:
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

    Beyond Cabrera and Willis, here are a few more key players who could be had in the right deal this winter:

    7. Hank Blalock, Rangers third baseman. The Dodgers and Red Sox have called. A secondary option in the red-hot third base market (behind Lowell, Cabrera and perhaps Beltre).

  98. Andrea November 8th, 2007 at 9:30 am

    Guys…I was kidding with the Chipper Jones trade. Everyone else was making absurd trades. I wanted to too! See how I have away all the young pitching for an aging 3B? I’m as good as all the rest of the armchair GMs out there now. I apologize if I caused any angst.

  99. murphydog November 8th, 2007 at 9:33 am

    randy1:

    I see your point, but I think the answer lies in my reply to Jax. Cashman is working hard to make other GMs’ expectations more realistic. He has to overcome the expectation that the Yankees are “easy” because of the freely available cash and the addiction of having to win it all every year.

    I also agree with hmmm that they can put together league average 1st base with parts currently available. That scenario however presupposes an upgrade at 3d. It could well be the reverse, going with less at 3d base (Mike Lamb is available as a FA) and getting more out of 1st. Depends on what deals Cash can make. But he cannot overreact. That will have bad repercussions for years and prove to the other GMs and agents that Cash is not serious about getting younger, cheaper and more athletic.

    In many ways, I think this year is about Cash’s credibility in following the new program.

  100. J-Dawg November 8th, 2007 at 9:34 am

    Jennifer- Dontrelle Willis’s stock has gone way down in the past year. That’s why the Marlins are hanging onto him now. His value is probably so low at this point that the Marlins are practically begging him to have a good season just to raise his value in a trade.

  101. sunny615 November 8th, 2007 at 9:34 am

    I’m not worried about Blalock being a lefty, I’m more into the idea that Blalock is 200 times better than Crede, whom everyone here seems in on.

  102. Mike R. November 8th, 2007 at 9:36 am

    I told you that you did well Andrea. It was absurd enough to be laughable, but believable enough to rile people up. Awesome!

    BTW Did you get the job at that publisher?

  103. ORORO November 8th, 2007 at 9:37 am

    lets trade Karstens….leave Kennedy alone.

  104. murphydog November 8th, 2007 at 9:37 am

    pat:

    The Angels could try to double track the 3d base solution. But Boras won’t take that lying down. Also, Cabrera requires giving up lots of talent in a trade and Cabrera clearly has “issues.” A-Rod has a track record and “only” costs money. Big difference and big choice for the Angels.

  105. Jax November 8th, 2007 at 9:39 am

    I don’t think either one is more further along than the other (Jackson/Tabata). They both going to start at AA next year.

  106. mel November 8th, 2007 at 9:39 am

    murphydog,

    Great comment about Cashman tempering the demands of other GMs.

    Gone are the days of panic moves that emptied the cupboards. You’re going to miss out on certain deals, with mixed results (see Gagne vs. Teixeira), but others will pan out. Abreu has been a great deal for the Yankees (I know, his salary made little sense to any other team, but we got him & Lidle by giving up very little).

    Even though it left a crater the size of Haleakala at 3B, I like his stance on Alex, too. (Although, I don’t believe the whispers that Alex would be open to coming back)

    Players like Cabrera are nice to haves, but he must feel comfortable enough with his other options that he can hold out on the Big 3.

  107. Ducky Bent November 8th, 2007 at 9:42 am

    If Cashman could get Miggy for Tabata, who if all the stars are aligned perfectly *might* approach Miggy’s numbers (HUGE IF), Kennedy, who has pitched all of 19 innings and is probably projected as a #3 at best, and a lower level prospect, he’d be absolutely nuts to turn it down. Actually, he should be committed.

    That said, the Marlins would want more, maybe a Joba or Hughes included, to which I’d say no. Joba because he has a once in 10 year arm, and Hughes because of the potential he’s shown, though I’m a bit concerned about his reaching it. Something was off with his mechanics. I’m hoping it was due to the injury he sustained and it can be righted.

  108. hmmm November 8th, 2007 at 9:46 am

    “lets trade Karstens….leave Kennedy alone.”

    agreed, the team needs new batting gloves.

  109. Andrea November 8th, 2007 at 9:46 am

    Mike R: I actually ended up going back to school instead. In a few short months, I will be enrolled in a PhD program. Hopefully.

  110. Mike R. November 8th, 2007 at 9:48 am

    Andrea – Great! I want an autographed copy of your first book. I’ll e-mail you my shipping address once it is published. :)

  111. mel November 8th, 2007 at 9:49 am

    Ducky,

    I think that Hughes has shown that he has righted it. With the exception of one homerun in GM 1 against Cleveland, he pitched well towards the end of the season and pitched great in relief of Clemens.

    Look at his GO/AO ratio in the minors, pre-hamstring, post-hamstring. Very different. He went from being a historically groundball pitcher to, well, to a flyball pitcher (think Karstens). He’s getting back to what he was supposed to be. The best pitching prospect in baseball.

  112. B November 8th, 2007 at 9:52 am

    TurnTwo,

    Since taking over Colletti has dealt Dioner Navarro, Joel Guzman, Chuck Tiffany, and Edwin Jackson. He’s willing to trade young players.

  113. TurnTwo November 8th, 2007 at 10:02 am

    With all due respect, those guys arent prospects. James Loney, Clayton Kershaw, MAtt Kemp, Jonathan Broxton, Jon Meloan… they are prospects.

  114. randy l. November 8th, 2007 at 10:03 am

    “believe it or not, the yankees did not have the worst first base production in the league. they were 9th out of 14th.”
    well,that’s a surprise. on ops, they were 10th. better than i thought, but still not good. on an interesting aside, tampa bay had 50 homers and 137 rbis out of first base.
    according to boras, that would be worth…?
    i’m not saying that cashman shouldn’t experiment and try players that are under the radar, but surely there must be a better option than just sending phillips out there every year as part of a platoon. the devil rays took a chance with pena who has always had a high upside. the red sox got creative when they moved youkillis over there. i say try out some players who have a chance of being better than league average.
    if cashman doesn’t have time to pay attention to the back burner positions,he should hire someone as a talented assistant gm( like antonetti with cleveland) to do the stuff he doesn’t get to (like back up catchers).

  115. jennifer- congrats JOE G November 8th, 2007 at 10:11 am

    Dioner Navarro is on the Devil Rays.

  116. B November 8th, 2007 at 10:12 am

    “With all due respect, those guys arent prospects. James Loney, Clayton Kershaw, MAtt Kemp, Jonathan Broxton, Jon Meloan… they are prospects.”

    Guzman and Tiffany were definitely prospects (albiet with flaws) when they were traded.

  117. B November 8th, 2007 at 10:14 am

    “Dioner Navarro is on the Devil Rays.”

    We know. He was traded to them from the Dodgers by Ned Colletti, which is what we’re discussing.

  118. TurnTwo November 8th, 2007 at 10:20 am

    Edwin Jackson was exposed as a hard throwing pitcher who couldnt throw strikes. He’ll always get another chance, because he does have good stuff, like Daniel Cabrera down in Baltimore, but he’ll never pan out like he was supposed to, and the dodgers sold on him while they could get some sort of value back.

    I dont even know who this Tiffany guy is, and since he hasnt made his name known to us since he’s been moved, I feel pretty comfortable about him not being a prospect.

    and they still arent the level of real prospects.

  119. murphydog November 8th, 2007 at 10:22 am

    How could the door open back up to the Yankees?

    If the Angles show the least sign of balking at taking A-Rod, either to seriously consider Cabrera or in starting to shy way from A-Rod’s asking price, Boras is not above staging a public apology to the Yankees, saying it was all his fault and won’t you please let us talk to you now. When it comes to getting the deal done, Boras has no pride.

  120. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 8th, 2007 at 10:25 am

    I have a problem w/ wannabe GMs thinkking Tejada is a smart option since when ? we have one syringe using former A’s player, we don’t need another waste.

    As for packaging Austin Jackson an Jose Tabata

    early in the yr. there was a poster here trying to convince me that trading Joba Chamberlain to Atlanta for Saltalamacchia or Teixeira was a “smart” decision I told that poster

    “picture this Joba in Atlanta becoming the next Nolan Ryan, would you be ok w/ that ?”

    Now for people trying to go quick fix because we lost our 3B and a RH power hitter going after Miggy Cabrera or a Scott Kazmir..

    PICTURE THIS “Austin Jackson becomes an allstar gold glove CF hitting like Vernon Wells except w/ more baserunning speed and 1/2 his MLB hits are XBH, he’s deemed the best CF in the game”

    “Jose Tabata a good fielding COF and starts pulling the ball becomes a Manny like batter and is coming through in the clutch for GW hits and BBs”

    would you like seeing a 19 yr. old and 20 yr. old who should have been your future franchise pieces in another jersey succeeding ? I KNOW I WOULDN’T

  121. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 8th, 2007 at 10:28 am

    I have a problem w/ wannabe GMs thinkking Tejada is a smart option since when ? we have one syringe using former A’s player, we don’t need another waste.

    As for packaging Austin Jackson an Jose Tabata early in the yr. there was a poster here trying to convince me that trading Joba Chamberlain to Atlanta for Saltalamacchia or Teixeira was a “smart” decision I told that poster

    “picture this Joba in Atlanta becoming the next Nolan Ryan, would you be ok w/ that ?”

    Now for people trying to go quick fix because we lost our 3B and a RH power hitter going after Miggy Cabrera or a Scott Kazmir..

    PICTURE THIS “Austin Jackson becomes an allstar gold glove CF hitting like Vernon Wells except w/ more baserunning speed and 1/2 his MLB hits are XBH, he’s deemed the best CF in the game”

    “Jose Tabata a good fielding COF and starts pulling the ball becomes a Manny like batter and is coming through in the clutch for GW hits and BBs”

    would you like seeing a 19 yr. old and 20 yr. old who should have been your future franchise pieces in another jersey succeeding ? I KNOW I WOULDN’T

  122. B November 8th, 2007 at 10:30 am

    Guzman was ranked the 3rd (2006) best prospect in their system the season he was traded, and Chuck Tiffany was ranked 10th(2005) a year before he was traded. He had elbow surgery after being traded to the Devil Rays and missed most of 2006 and all of 2007, which is why you probably haven’t heard of him. Jackson was also 3rd (2005) in their system a year before he was traded. Like I said these guys were prospects when they were traded, but they weren’t flawless.

  123. Master Wangkee November 8th, 2007 at 11:34 am

    Murphy Dog:

    “3d base – 1st base dilemma will be a zero sum game, the more spent at one position, the less available for the other.”

    Agreed 100%. Since productive first baseman are easier to come by than offensive threats at 3b, I think it makes more sense to fill 3b with a defensive specialist and invest more resources to fulfill our hitting needs at the position with lower demand and higher supply (1b). It’s a bonus if that productive first baseman wears a gold glove. I envision a Crede/Betemit platoon at 3b with the Yankees acquiring Teixeira in a deadline deal in 2008 or via free agency after 2008. Atlanta just dealt away Renteria for a young starter so it seems they’re sacrificing the present in order to plan for the future. We have the young pitchers to land Teixeira in a deadline deal. If they want any of the untouchables, we can just wait another 1/2 season and buy Teixeira on the open market. Because of the asking price of Miggy vs. Teixeira, I’d rather pursue Teixeira (via trade or free agency) and wait until 2010 when Miggy becomes a free agent.

    In this scenario, we keep the future in tact. In the worst case scenario, 2008 becomes a transition year but I’ll take that over a panic move any day.

  124. DHC November 8th, 2007 at 12:16 pm

    Mel says of Hughes, “He’s getting back to what he was supposed to be. The best pitching prospect in baseball.”

    He’s not a prospect anymore. And it’s a long, long way from best prospect to elite MLB pitcher. Hughes wasn’t even the best rookie pitcher on his own team.

    Not knocking him. Nice pitcher. Probably middle of the order on a good team. But untouchable? That’s hyperbole from CashMan, meant to drive his trade value up.

  125. Jason O. November 8th, 2007 at 1:04 pm

    Abraham, I know you’re sports-centric but Iraq is improving by the week…plus a guy like Boras would thrive there, in a place where business opportunities abound.

  126. MNMike November 9th, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    As a loyal MN fan, I highly doubt MN will trade Santana unless they feel the trade will make them VERY competitive THIS year. MN desperately needs a DH, 3B and CF (after losing Hunter) and unless a trade can fill those spots satisfactorily it will not happen.

    Santana also has a comprehensive no-trade clause, so the deal would require Santana to waive the clause. His own statements make it clear he would be willing to do that if the circumstances were right. I think that would mean HUGE contract extension from a team that will contend EVERY year. This narrows it down to about 4 teams, maybe fewer.

    Right now it looks like the teams that would have the ability to lure Santana likely don’t have the positions available that MN needs. Sure NY has a boat load of young pitching talent, but so does MN, we’re not going to trade Santana to bolster an already crowded rotation.

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