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Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 09, 2007 
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Brian Cashman left the GM Meetings holding onto his prospects. It’s a matter of patience, he says.
I’ll be headed down to Chelsea Piers later on for Joe Torre’s Safe At Home Foundation dinner. Jorge Posada and Mariano Rivera are scheduled to attend and hopefully will discuss their situations.
Derek Jeter and other Yankees will be there as well. Andy Pettitte and Roger Clemens were originally scheduled but bailed out in the last couple of days. Pettitte is staying in Texas to watch his son’s football game. The Rocket is making a commercial.
Hope Pettitte Jr’s team wins
I’ve heard that football in Texas is a little bit like a religion…
Bad form for Andy to cancel.
I mean, aren’t all high school football games on Friday nights? It’s not like this game came up at the last minute.
He doesn’t want to be pressured. Maybe he is afraid that Joe will try to talk him into going to LA. I think Roger bailing is worse. To film a commcercial?? please!! He could get there if he wanted to.
Is Andy’s son okay? I had heard he broke his hip or something and there was some concern if it was a growth bone (?). Has anyone heard anything about this?
I hope we dont trade jose tabata or the trio
Add Action Jackson to the list.
I don’t like either of them canceling, but I give Roger a bit of a pass. If he’s being paid to make a commercial, he has to be ready to shoot when they tell him they’re ready. It seems like more of a last-minute commitment than a football game.
But yeah, he probably COULD have postponed it a day.
Classy Rocket…. Personal pockets before charity!
I don’t think that it is bad for Pettitte not to be there. He has a commitment to his son to watch him play football. Andy was loyal to Joe Torre, but his family does and should come first. It’s probably a thrill for Andy’s son that Andy is there to watch him play. I just wonder if Clemens is doing another Cingular/AT&T commercial. Let’s see, what other products could Roger be a pitchman for?
The ChiSOx are covered in Damon’s partial no-trade, and according to Ken Davidoff (newsday), the Yankees are more interested in trading Hideki Matsui.
Read Davidoff’s article here
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....?track=rss
just passing along info – don’t shoot the messenger.
Roger Clemens is always thinking about the money and Pettite is always thinking about the family. He is a prime example of the difference between these two.
I AM SO HAPPY ROGER ISN’T COMING BACK. I enjoyed his prime years, but the old man needs to understand his baseball playing days are over.
Jennifer–Andy’s son was injured in early-mid September and I think it turned out to be something that wasn’t as serious as first thought. Maybe Andy committed to the event tonight because he didn’t think at the time that his son would be playing yet.
Cashman canceled also, but the Yankees have made a contribution & no doubt that Pettitte & Clemens made generous contributions as well.
You guys crazy. I can’t believe people honestly care that either guy cancelled on a charity event.
Does anyone know what time you can see them walk into the event?
7:32
B, probably no one here cares if Cashman, Clemens or Pettite cancel a charity event. But we do try to read the signals.
We can figure Cashman is likely to be in trouble with his Steinbrother bosses if he shows up at a Torre event at this stage. But Clemens and Pettite? Clemens is picking up his personal services contract with the Astros; would the Astros prefer he save his public appearances for events that reflect glory on their team? And Pettite has declared that he’s a Yankee or nothing, so presumably follows their party line.
Or, and much worse to contemplate, we can wonder if Clemens and Pettite prefer to fly below the radar as the Mitchell report is about to come out…
“You guys crazy. I can’t believe people honestly care that either guy cancelled on a charity event.”
It amazes me that people get like this over something so trivial. I guess if I paid whatever the outrageous amount of money it costs to get in I would be disappointed, but it wouldn’t be that big a deal considering who else is going to be there. God forbid Clemens and Andy want to do other things.
Thanks Skippy.
Rebecca:
Believe it or not, “journo-cum-grad-student” was supposed to be complimentary. You identified and raised a legit issue when most others were not addressing it and laid it out well – - all while you were supposed to be studying instead. No harm intended.
“Classy Rocket…. Personal pockets before charity!”
you guys are unbelievable.
i am sure Roger Clemens donates a higher percentage of his income to charity than most people here. but let’s judge him on a blurb in Peter’s blog!!
you don’t even know what the commercial is for.
maybe it’s for the United Way?
maybe he committed to it a long time ago and doesn’t like to break his commitments.
it’s just unbelievable how people sit and wait for anything to be posted here and then rain down with uniformed criticism of everyone.
Im going to that too.
I think Pettitte was at Joe’s event last year. He’s a sweet guy, but I have read descriptions of him as a terrible liar – - he can’t do it. Fielding all the sure to come questions about the contract, his future and now the self-perpetuating rumors of his PED use wouldn’t be worth Andy attending again this year.
As to Cashman, I don’t think the Steinbrenners are preventing him. I read earlier that the Yankees cut Joe a big check for this event. Why then prevent Cash from going? I thing Cash just doesn’t want to draw attention away from Joe’s Charity’s night. (Has Cash ever gone to this event?)
For Clemens, in practice, VIPs often get listed as attending and the organization only announces their cancellation late – or not at all – to avoid killing the draw.
I really don’t read much into this.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3100957
This one was way crueler than the marriage proposal prank at Yankee Stadium.
Pete’s gotta be pumped for tonight.
Springsteen will be in the building!!
did Clay Bucholz really steal your laptop
It might have been a nice gesture for Roger to give some of the 28+million he ‘earned’ from the Yankees to Joe for his foundation.
Who knows about Andy? I’ve heard several versions of why he left the Yankees before.
ARGUABLY THE BEST NEWS EVER: (courtesy of NY TIMES)
The Orioles also need a closer because of injuries to Chris Ray and Danys Báez and are interested in Kyle Farnsworth, who was developed by the Chicago Cubs when MacPhail and Manager Dave Trembley worked there.
Talk about a “win-win”, addition by subtraction, insert your favorite cliche!
mel:
negligent infliction of emotional distress. What were those idiots in St. Louis thinking about, setting this up without a filter, edit or delay?
I hope the phone doesn’t cut out in Rogers commercial, that way he hears his wife telling him not to come back.
murphydog,
According to the article, there was a filter. A human filter.
Terrible, terrible. I’m not not a fan of litigation and ridiculous financial judgements, but that teen deserves way more than the $25K she’s asking for.
Heyy guys, I looked at all the clubs that have their schedules out to see when the yankees play them. This is what i found out…let me know what you think.
Here is the Tentative 2008 Season Schedule for the Yankees. H stands for Home game and A stands for Away game.
April
4-7 (H) vs Rays
8-10 (A) vs Royals
14&15 (A) vs Rays
18-20 (A) vs Orioles
22-24 (A) vs White Sox
25-28 (A) vs Indians
29-1 (H) vs Tigers
May
2-4 (H) vs Mariners
6-8 (H) vs Indians
9-11 (A) vs Tigers
12-15 (A) vs Rays
20-22 (H) vs Orioles
23-25 (H) vs Mariners
26-28 (A) vs Orioles
30-2 (A) vs Twins
June
6-9 (H) vs Royals
13-15 (A) vs Astros
17-19 (H) vs Padres
20-22 (H) vs Reds
24-26 (A) vs Pirates
30-2 (H) vs Royals
July
8&9 (H) vs Rays
11-13 (A) vs Blue Jays
21-23 (H) vs Twins
28-30 (H) vs Orioles
31-3 (H) vs Angels
August
4-7 (A) vs Texas
8-10 (A) vs Angels
11-13 (A) vs Twins
15-17 (H) vs Royals
19-21 (A) vs Blue Jays
22-24 (A) vs Orioles
September
2-4 (A) vs Rays
5-7 (A) vs Mariners
12-14 (H) vs Rays
15-18 (H) vs White Sox
19-21 (H) vs Orioles
23-25 (A) vs Blue Jays
Did you guys read about the latest flap? The players union is complaining about the gm’s colluding at their meetings. They’re worried that they’re working to keep down the price of one particular player. Talk about paranoia.
if Tejada comes back in that deal this isn’t a win win, it’s a desperation move I’d rather they not do. You guys don’t know how Tejada plays when he is down, this mitchell probe case is about to label him.
“It might have been a nice gesture for Roger to give some of the 28+million he ‘earned’ from the Yankees to Joe for his foundation.”
right, b/c he doesn’t come to the dinner automatically means he didn’t give anything to the foundation. it must be hard to be omniscient, i bet people ask you lots of quetions.
also, $17M does not equal $28M no matter how many times you want to say $28M.
“The players union is complaining about the gm’s colluding at their meetings”
Lock em out. they make too much money.
If A-Rod drives his price tag up then all the players will see their values rise as well.
If A-Rod doesn’t get a big contract, then it could reflect on what is offered them. The collusion charge is supposed to make some team get worried enough that they will sign A-Rod to a large deal, or give Boras a reason for his blunder.
Next time you miss a day of work to sit at home and pick your scabs or just because you don’t feel like working that day…
…remember your responses to this and the criticism of Andy and Roger just for missing a charity dinner.
I shudder to think what yous would say if they missed a game to sit at home and watch TV.
Hypocrites. The lot of ya. Slap yourselves.
Are teams really “colluding” against A-Rod or did they just realize how absurd his asking price is? Hmmmm, I think the latter. What a joke.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3101262
Jake,
This is from the Crasnick chat:
John (Dallas): Jerry, Collusion, is this Boras’ way of saying “I screwed up”?
Jerry Crasnick: (12:11 PM ET ) John,
Wow, you’re cynical enough to be a sportswriter. I have to agree with you, though. I’d doubt that the union would be doing this much pre-emptive bellyaching about A-Rod without Boras twisting their arm. It certainly seems to give Scott an out if he fails to get the money he wants for A-Rod, doesn’t it?
First off, there wasn’t any criticism of either player in my post. Secondly, from what I hear, Miguel Tejada has changed completely since Rafael Palmeiro mentioned him in the whole B12 situation. Tejada went from being a happy ballplayer who always played hard to what you see today. Someone who is known to “dog it,” someone who is considered moody and a bit selfish. I believe that Tejada is just like Gary Sheffield- terrific player, rotten attitude, and someone who could drag a team down. Miguel Tejada isn’t the answer.
J-Dawg,
Must be male menopause, where the hormone level is an a constant state of flux.
How can anyone prove if the gm’s got together and said lets not offer him a contract. His asking price is sky high! You can’t blame gm’s if they don’t want to committ almost 25% of their budget on one player!!
Brandon— I think it would be a win- win if we do get Tejada. Bring ‘em in, let him play 3rd. 2 year stopgap. Who else can we get to play 3rd for cheap. Farnsy and a AA pitcher and its a deal.
Dirk,
You sort of have a point there. People were wanting to send Farnsy away AND eat his contract last season.
But really, Tejada? yuck. Also, Farnsy was lights out in 5 of his last 6 appearances. He’s not complete trash.
But yeah, if you can get usable parts, it’s definitely better than dipping into the Big 3.
Farnsworth “not being complete trash” is the only reason the O’s would take him from a division rival in exchange for Tejada. Really, if the only name player we have to give up for Tejada is Farnsworth, this is a no-brainer. Seems too good to be true.
Mel,
You are exactly right. There is no way that the big 3 are going anywhere– unless something great happens (Santana). But might as well get Tejada and have him try to do something than to bring in Crede and have it cost you much more than that.
Tejada also has almost no range.. And Jeter is losing more and more every year..
I’d rahter get a more defensive minded thirdbaseman.
I still support Wilson as out thirdbaseman, at lease until the prices start to drop as far as trades go.
Dirk,
You should check out Crasnick’s chat. Besides a lot of digs at and one-liners about A-rod, he answers a question about Johan. The person asked why should teams give up so much when it’s clear that Santana wants to test free agency. He answered that the union would love to see him hit free agency. I’m sure that the Yankees would love to see him hit free agency, too.
Meh.Why do you guys care if Andy or Clemens ditch?I mean, would you want to fly to New York to go to a Charity Dinner during the offseason?The one part of the year you get to be with your family?And as for Clemens, it was probably a previous commitment, and he maybe he likes keeping his promises.
murphydog: I am much complimented by it!
(I just find it funny, because I’m neither a journalist nor a grad student
)
mel:
Human filters are the worst kind. Too much thinking and not enough at the same time.
Anyway, Tejada makes me sick, watching him not run out grounders to 1st base – - because he’s a spoiled (former) superstar. I know I’ll get inundated with crap for this but he just doesn’t seem like a Yankee.
But maybe he’s a candidate for a “change of scenery” career rehab?
“Farnsworth “not being complete trash†is the only reason the O’s would take him from a division rival in exchange for Tejada. Really, if the only name player we have to give up for Tejada is Farnsworth, this is a no-brainer. Seems too good to be true.”
that’s because it is too good to be true.
you guys are absolutely nuts if you think the Orioles would trade Tejada to a division rival for Farnsworth and spare parts.
last season Farnsworth’s trade value was Bob Wickman IF the Yankees paid all of his 2008 salary.
now all of a sudden he is supposed to bring back Miguel Tejada? a player who by all accounts was just a notch below Jeter last season accounting for defense?
i think you guys are taking 2 seperate rumors (i.e. interest in Farnsworth, and trading Tejada) and combining them.
Farnsworth for Tejada is laughable.
you know, OTHER teams would also want Tejada.
Rebecca:
Ah, c’mon. Don’t be modest. You must have the journo bug or else why the blog?
As for the “grad student” thing, I can’t keep all of you younger people straight in my head. Are you the one not studying for her GREs?
Well, maybe he can get something back on the offensive side..
But his defense is not that great. He has 0 range, and I don’t know how fast he can react..
“Tejada also has almost no range.. And Jeter is losing more and more every year.”
his range is still far superior to Jeter. and you’d be moving him down the defensive spectrum where less range is needed.
contrary to what the Baltimore media thinks, Tejada was still an average SS last season.
i would guess an average SS can be a slightly above average 3Bman.
i’m not saying the Yankees should or shouldn’t trade for Tejada, but i think he’d be fine defensively.
Hey guys, I found some of the schedule for the yankees 2008 schedule. I checked all the clubs and found out when they played the Yankees. This is what I found:
H stands for Home game and A stands for Away game.
April
4-7 (H) vs Rays
8-10 (A) vs Royals
14&15 (A) vs Rays
18-20 (A) vs Orioles
22-24 (A) vs White Sox
25-28 (A) vs Indians
29-1 (H) vs Tigers
May
2-4 (H) vs Mariners
6-8 (H) vs Indians
9-11 (A) vs Tigers
12-15 (A) vs Rays
20-22 (H) vs Orioles
23-25 (H) vs Mariners
26-28 (A) vs Orioles
30-2 (A) vs Twins
June
6-9 (H) vs Royals
13-15 (A) vs Astros
17-19 (H) vs Padres
20-22 (H) vs Reds
24-26 (A) vs Pirates
30-2 (H) vs Royals
July
8&9 (H) vs Rays
11-13 (A) vs Blue Jays
21-23 (H) vs Twins
28-30 (H) vs Orioles
31-3 (H) vs Angels
August
4-7 (A) vs Texas
8-10 (A) vs Angels
11-13 (A) vs Twins
15-17 (H) vs Royals
19-21 (A) vs Blue Jays
22-24 (A) vs Orioles
September
2-4 (A) vs Rays
5-7 (A) vs Mariners
12-14 (H) vs Rays
15-18 (H) vs White Sox
19-21 (H) vs Orioles
23-25 (A) vs Blue Jays
Maybe Tejada plays like crap becuase he is on a crap team. things could change if he is on the Yanks with Joe G. as manager
hmmm- Dead on, it’s going to take MUCH more than Kyle Farnsworth to justify the Orioles trading the face of their franchise to a division rival. Although with Peter Angelos running the show, you never can tell. Keep in mind that even if the Yankees don’t trade Farnsworth, that this is the final year of his contract. We only have to watch him for one more year!
There is a talk out there that Oswalt will be put on the market. He may be someone we can go after without giving up all we would have to give to retain a Santan or Peavy. Thoughts?
Ashley-
Some of the schedule is still up in the air, mostly because the Yankees want to end the season at home, not away..
hmmm,
Thanks for the reality check. What’s the deal with their bullpen anyway? It must be dire. Is Ray still injured? Didn’t they have the worst bullpen ERA?
Tejada, Cabrera, Lowell, and Crede are raising their value while driving down the earning potential of the greatest player of all time. Even O Henry couldn’t write such irony.
DMan:
Agreed, he’s lost a step or two. But maybe some of his sluggishness is the loss of his competitive edge. It’s really aggravating to see that in a talented guy like Tejada.
If he’s got less range, maybe he’s third base material. Or maybe that just starts another round of how much the numbers prove Jeter stinks as a SS. In other words, you can’t have a slow, short ranged 3d baseman, because that keeps Jeter from cheating too far toward 2d base.
Ashley, nothing on the Sux or Muts?
murphydog: Hah, I guess you’re right! It’s just, my background is creative writing (I acutally got rejected from the journalism program here!), so I never think of myself as a journalist!
And yeah, I am studying for the GREs, but I am still an undergraduate!
Perhaps the lack of the rest of the schedule is to get the Yankees to end the season at home?
murphydog-
That’s what I’m thinking.. You need to have somebody with above average range at SS or 3B.. And with Tejada and Jeter, the Yankees wouldn’t have that..
They’d have an ‘average’ at best left side of the infield..
It’s espcially important if you think about Damon in left..
Runner on second, 2 out, ground ball, past a diving Tejada and Jeter, Damons charges, throws.. And it almost made it to the pitchers mound that time..
Word is that the guys from Oakland “would love to open the season in Japan”, but MLB is still waiting for the World Champions to give the o.k. Another reason why the schedule’s incomplete.
Sara, Nope they dont have their Tentative schedule out yet. I’ll let ya know when they do thought.
DMAN, Yupp…its just the tentative schedule they said all dates and opponents subject to change.
How about Hank Blalock? I keep hearing that he might be available. Didnt play much last year but I would take a chance on him over having to get a guy and switching his position.
Why do we open the season against the rays when they are indoors and we are outdoors?
“Tejada, Cabrera, Lowell, and Crede are raising their value while driving down the earning potential of the greatest player of all time. Even O Henry couldn’t write such irony.”
you’re right.
putting Cabrera on the market could remove a major player for A-Rod. same with Tejada.
Boras may have foreseen Cabrera, but i wonder if he thought about Tejada hitting the market as a 3Bman?
Crede…ehh, might be pushing it. he’s clearly a notch below.
It’s the last year at the Stadium, so there are probably ceremonies etc., they want to take into account toward the end of the season.
Or, maybe the schedule isn’t finished as they wait to see where A-Rod signs, so they can schedule that team to finish the season at home with the Yankees.
(Jon Sterling’s voice: “The count is 0 and 2, nobody on, it’s the 7th innning, two out, and the Yankees lead the Angels by a score of 4 to 0. Chamberlain winds and deals, and OH LOOKOUT! Chamberlain drilled him! He just drilled A-Rod in the back with the fastball. Oh man. A-Rod is on the ground…I hope, Susan, that he’s alright… Susan: “Oh my goodness gracious. No, Jon… he looks fine. It looks like it hit him in the wallet…”)
Why do we call it cheating instead of leaning or playing closer to 2nd?
I know it common to say it, but it really isn’t cheating when you are playing for position. Right?
S.o.S.27-
I can’t say im in favor of any trade until I know the asking price you know? Hank’s solid, but I think tTexas would ask for more than hes worth. They need pitching down there..
I don’t like his OBP much though.. .318 in 05 and .325 in 06… It was .358 in the 58 games he played this year though..
Jeter cheats?
DMan:
That chicken arm in LF is a consideration with a possible Tejada @ 3d base.
I don’t think the major issue with 3B is defense. The major issue is finding a right handed slugger, which is what Tejada is. And he is a Yankee killer, which gives him the number 1 point on his resume for why the Yanks would take him.
Bravo Murphydog
Just a point:
Maybe you’re right. I just call it “cheating” when you do it to compensate for slowness in that direction rather than playing a regular righty-lefty batter re-positioning, or when the shift is on for a dead pull lefty.
murphydog: LMAO!
murphydog…totaly hysterical!!!!!!!
I really think Rocket did a direct “laying on of hands” to Joba, maybe a Texas-Nebraska version of the Vulcan Mind Meld.
After that message to Youkilis, the tone has been set.
Over on the Red Sox boards they are advocating Theo trading Lester, Ellsbury and a top prospect for Miguel Cabrera.
In other conversations they are advocating trading Buckholtz, Ellsbury and top prospects for Johan Santana.
If Theo is willing to do that and trade those kind of players who just a world series ring and performed well in the post season, the Yankees will have no chance of getting Santana unless they put Joba in the mix.
If the Red Sox walk away with Johan this off season and pair him up with Beckett, Dice K, Lester, Schilling, we may as well start playing for the wild card.
I don’t think Theo and the Sox would trade young potential stars for Santana though. I think they like the homegrown vibe they’ve got going on.
It’s still scary to think about them getting Johan. I don’t care if they get Cabrera, but Johan….shudder…..
hmmm,
TG that Boras isn’t Lowell’s agent. Talk about collusion.
Radio reporting that Sox have offered “the other third baseman” a 3 year deal, but Lowell’s agent feels that he can get a lucrative 4-yr deal on the open market.
Good let them open the season overseas. We saw how it killed the Yankees for the first few weeks, let it do the same to that other team.
Here is a almost complete 2008 schedule for the Yanks, they are all based on tentatively released schedules from MLB teams plus some news items. It has 147 out of 162 games on it. Oakland has yet to release it’s schedule, which would at least comprise of half the games missing.
http://www.baseball-fever.com/.....hp?t=67698
it makes no sense because Farnsy has what 1 yr. left so we’re taking on a longer contract in Miguel Tejada who completely turns to Bill Buckner in the playoffs, NO THANKS
CHEAP SOLUTION
It seems that the Angels might be leaning towards getting Cabrera instead of Alex. Marlins are asking for Kendrick in that deal. Which would make Uggla expendable. Would they take Melky and a prospect for Uggla. He would bring somehomerun power we’re missing. Then move Cano to third. We save our 3 monsters and get a player for cheap. Then get Rowand to fill the void in the outfield.
Lastly Sheets might be available. I know hes had injuries every year but he has one year left on his contract. I dont know what it would take to get him but I would think a Igawa,Horne or Marquize.We could catch lightening in a bottlewith him. When healthy he is deffinately capable of being an ace. Again wont cost us the big 3.
See that’s not what I think. I’d much rather have a solid defensive player with average hitting than another superstar on the team.
Tejada is a career .287 hitter and has a career OBP of .344
Wilson is a career .260 hitter and has a career OBP of .332
Tejada obvouisly has a lot more power, and experience..
But I still like Wilson more for the position right now. He’s a better defensive player, and won’t cost us any of our prospects.
Maybe I’m out of my mind with that, but it’s how I feel.
The league should send the Royals over to Japan to start the season. That would be just like sending the Bad News Bears over. Come to think of it, the Bad News Bears did go to Japan one time. The Royals would be the real life version of them, except that they don’t have Tanner Boyle playing shortstop!
G. Love:
Theo is mulling the same cost-benefit analysis every GM with the parts needed for such a trade. Cash could pull the trigger on a deal that could get Miggy or Santana too. Does Boston and NY play chicken to see who really dares mortgage the future?
I give the edge to Theo. He’s not yet where the Yankees are in luxury tax. But it’s still a heavy price in terms of mortgaging the future. And any deal for Santana is going to mean a big bucks extension in addition to giving up talent. And Ellsbury looks amazing in just a small sample. I’m not sure I could give him up for anybody.
S.o.S. 27:
Too many moving parts? Otherwise interesting.
Ellsbury is their Jeter. He’s not going anywhere.
D Man,
I understand how important defense is, but does anyone realize that the only true righty in the lineup right now is Derek Jeter?????? Holy crap! We need some right handed power. here is what I propose:
Fist, make sure Andy is coming back. If so, trade Melky and Kennedy plus a prospect or two to the Marlins for Cabrera. Then go out and get Torii Hunter on the free agent market.
Now you have:
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Cabrera 3B
Hunter CF
Posada C
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Phillips/Duncan/Giambi 1B
Starting Rotation:
Andy
Wang
Joba
Hughes
Moose
I mean does anyone not think that this is the perfect answer to filling the A-Rod void?
Hunter last season 28HR 107RBI .334OBP .505SLG
Cabrera last season 34HR 119RBI .401OBP .565SLG
mel:
He’s probably faster than Jeter and may have more pop. Quite a talent.
D Man,
I understand what you are saying, but does anyone realize that the only true righty we have in the lineup right now is Jeter!!!! Here is what I propose:
Fist, make sure Andy is coming back. If so, trade Melky and Kennedy plus a prospect or two to the Marlins for Cabrera. Then go out and get Torii Hunter on the free agent market.
Now you have:
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Cabrera 3B
Hunter CF
Posada C
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Phillips/Duncan/Giambi 1B
Starting Rotation:
Andy
Wang
Joba
Hughes
Moose
I mean does anyone not think that this is the perfect answer to filling the A-Rod void?
Hunter last season 28HR 107RBI .334OBP .505SLG
Cabrera last season 34HR 119RBI .401OBP .565SLG
100% agree.
J-Dawg: But you know, if they did that, then the Royals would have a great season, all for some reason that makes no sense whatsoever
“Lastly Sheets might be available. I know hes had injuries every year but he has one year left on his contract. I dont know what it would take to get him but I would think a Igawa,Horne or Marquize.We could catch lightening in a bottlewith him.”
wait, BEN Sheets? and KEI Igawa?
is there another Igawa i am missing?
there is no right handed hitting on the yankees right now people. Wilson stinks hitting right handed!
Sara-
Its a solid idea, but I just can’t shake not wanting to trade Kennedy..
I’m even ok with trading Mekly, as much as I love the guy.. But Kennedy.. I don’t want to trade him just yet..
murphydog,
I meant that he has “it”, but yeah, what you say is true.
mel:
And didn’t Ellsbury steal a base and win the entire country a free taco? (I looooove Taco Bell tacos). Jeter hasn’t done that yet!
Wikipedia:
On October 25, in game two of the World Series against the Colorado Rockies, Ellsbury stole second base off of pitcher Ubaldo Jimenez, winning the entire nation a free taco through a promotion offered by Taco Bell.
I don’t think Kennedy is worth as much as Jobba and Hughes. I mean how many starts did he have? 3? I just don’t understand what is so great about him that you wouldn’t trade him for a 24 year old slugging 3rd baseman who people are saying is a future hall of famer.
Damnit so I missed my chance to get a $1 taco for free.
I’m crushed.
Sara:
I think if Kennedy were the pitcher necessary to get Miggy Cabrera, that deal would get done. But the Marlins want Hughes or Joba, not Kennedy. IPK is a red herring in this discussion.
but you throw in Melky and a prospect or 2? yanks farm system is STOCKED with pitching
jennifer:
sadly, yes. (It’s OK to mourn).
Kennedy right now could be a Greg Maddux type SP, all I’m saying is right now if SP is our strength then I wouldn’t want to weaken this either. Jose Tabata and Action Jackson aren’t too far away and Alexei Ramirez is in D.R. waiting for a suitor so Cabrera is not a must. SP is and the bullpen then the DEFENSE, then worry about your boppers.
Sara:
I hear you but it’s talent for talent, not quantity makes quality. I don’t see the Marlins moving Miggy for less than Hughes or Joba, (probably plus Melky and a prospect).
Sara Ian has been compared to Mike Mussina. Mike Mussina was a pretty darn good pitcher in his prime, check out his numbers! Also look at Ian’s numbers in the minors they were better than Joba’s and Phils. Don’t get caught up in the radar guns, there are plently of pitchers who have done very well without the upper 90′s fb. I wouldn’t be so quick to toss him aside.
Brandon:
reasonable take on the situation.
I think the uncertainty re: Pettitte may work against giving up any of the young arms, Kennedy included, more so than a strong desire to keep Kennedy.
Jennifer,
I am not tossing him aside. And I am not doubting that he is a good pitcher but does everyone not agree that the yankee lineup is horribly weak right now. This team has a lot of pressing issues. Now remember i said this would only work if Andy is back. If he isn’t then they are goign to need all of the pitchers that they can get.
murphydog,
You’re right. Jeter didn’t win tacos for the entire nation, but Ellsbury will never be as legendary or iconic as Jeter.
I don’t think they’ll keep showing that swipe in the All Time Best Plays highlight reel.
Jeter has his flaws, but he’s still the man. Look for a new and improved Jeter on a mission now that he has his team back.
murphydog, I just don’t understand why people want to break this 3 up, do we not realize this could be our Zito, Hudson, Mulder combo ? they’ve worked at every level they have been challenged at who’s to say the MLB would be different, let another team over price Cabrera he’s not the only option, everyone wants a quick fix it doesn’t work like that sometimes
Cabrera would not be a quick fix. He is 24 years old!!! Sign him to a lenghty contract and you have a young, great, talented 3rd baseman!!!! how is that a quick fix??? a quick fix would be getting mike lowell or migue tejada
mel,
Thanks for that chat link. Unreal. Boras did screw up, but I do think A-Rod will get a retardedly large contract from someone. Someone (like the Rangers) is dumb enough to give in sooner or later and its not like they wouldn’t get some value out of it.
But collusion? Please.
I think Cabrera would require too much and if the Yankees are seriously convinced that Johan Santana will be available via trade, they are probably keeping their chips available for that potential. I think that he is the only guy (and maybe Peavy too, but NL pitchers concern me) I would be willing to trade Phil Hughes for.
I like the idea Tejada (though I am not a huge fan of the guy) if he is willing to convert to 3B. Mainly because it means Kyle Farnsworth is no longer a Yankee.
What ever happened to the three-team trade? Doesn’t seem as frequent as it used to be.
Do the Yankees have a clean up hitter right now?
What is Posada doesn’t come back?
Here’s the line up:
Damon
Jeter
Abreu
Matsui
Cano
Bettemit
Melky
Molina
Phillips
PATHETIC!
I didn’t mean to use the word tossing aside. But Cash has stated he wants to build this team around pitching. We have what appear to be 3 very good starting pitchers, with even more coming down the line in a few years. And as Brandon said they just might be our Hudson, Mulder and Zito. We didn’t score a zillion runs when we were winning. And if these 3 turn out to be as good as we think they will we won’t need to win games 10-8 anymore. We might win them 3-1. Which is more statisfying to you? I know the saying is chicks dig the long ball. I dig the nail bitting 2-1 games!! Sure its nice to see some high scoring games, but it gets frustrating when you lose the high scoring games 10-8.
Sara, that is not “pathetic”.
Sure, we’d like to see Posada in there instead of Molina, but Cano is only going to get better as will Cabrera.
Plus, we do have Giambi if necessary (though I think he is a roid using dirt bag).
and if pettite doesn’t come back rotation is:
Wang
Hughes
Jobba
Kennedy
Moose
no way we even win the wild card
Sara-
Trading away highly-trouted prospects for super-star players is what the Yankees did 2002-2006.. They’ve been moving away from that practice ever since.
If it’s Kennedy in the mix, then they’re going to want at least 2 of our other less-developed pitching prospects too.
I don’t think anyones trying to say Cabrera isn’t an amazing player, it’s just that the Marlins are looking for WAY to much right now.. In the long run (and short run for all we know) it wouldn’t be worth it.
If Posada doesn’t come back I agree we will be in trouble.
There have been some issues raised with Cabera, his work ethic, doesn’t dive for balls. I’ve heard not that far down the road he might have to be switched to first! He is only 24 and he is getting too big for that position!! That isn’t good!
jake, come on. you really think that lineup can win 95 games?
Jennifer,
Girardi had nothing but great things to say about Cabrera. Joe is not laid back, he will get on him. Put him on a team with veterans who have excelled at this game for a long time and I bet you anything he changes his tude.
Why would the Brewers want to trade away Sheets, their ace, for mediocrity (igawa/Marquez) and good potential, Horne?
The take for Sheets would likely mean 1 of NY’s “big 3″, but C-man in his right mind would say no thank you, given Sheets’ chronic injury history.
IMO MIL must be big time frustrated at Sheets’ inability to stay healthy, but that doesn’t mean MIL puts him on the block with an asking price merely other team’s garbage.
Reading NY POST today, it allmost seems to me that Cashman is not scared to lose out on Mo and Po if they stick to wanting that extra year. I wonder if he has replacements in mind already. He also looks like he will roll the dice on the youngsters this year and not give them up for a quick fix. If we have a choice to not contend for 08 but bring a championship contender for years after, I will take a struggling 08 team. Time to get back to the 90′s formula and also stop letting these players hold the team hostage. Even with the case of Pettite, it hurts us not to know if we need to move on and find a replacement or count on him being back. Maybe do the Clemens deal,where we get a fresh Pettite for the final 4 months.
With Girardi’s style of managing, having a bonafide power hitter may not be a pressing need. Hopefully he will incorporate some of the NL style into this Yankee offense. Maybe we will see more dedication to stealing bases and using the hit-and-run. Maybe this change of not waiting for the three-run homer is the best thing to happen to this lineup, because there will be situations where the Yankees absolutely need to send runners. Torre seemed too hesitant to do that at times. I think that Girardi won’t show any hesitation.
Getting back to the topic of a possible conflict of interest in the Mitchell investigation. Is anyone else concerned about the timing and possible source of the story in the San Francisco Chronicle saying that Paul Byrd had bought HGH from a Florida clinic that has been targeted by law enforcement. I am wondering if MLB is investigating this leak in light of the story appearing the day before Game 7 of the ALCS and if not, why not? The Chronicle reporter reviewed the clinic records. The article indicates that the records were provided by a confidential news source.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....038;sc=735
remember the yanks are going to get to very high draft picks when the offer A-hole arbitration. They can afford to loose a prospect or two
and that’s another thing I notice alot when we’re refering to this Yankee makeup everyone is labeled a screw up & everyone is looking for a quick fix but the face of this team is Jeter and he needs to take a bit more criticism, eversince he has been named captain we haven’t won a damn thing. And sooner or later the face of this team has to change, it needs to go into transition to change, Jetes isn’t getting any younger, sooner or later it has to be led by someone else whether it’s Cano, or Angelini or Tabata or Jackson or Montero or Joba, Hughes whoever it is we can’t go on trading our kids for quick fixes to build around the 96′ team
As difficult as it may be to accept, it’s not a birthright to make the playoffs every year.
I think that many would agree that one off-year would be worth 10 years or more of success. As painful as it is to point out, the Sox went from 3rd in the AL to World Champions in just one year.
The worst case scenario is that players we depended on in past years moved on and left a lot of benjamins on the table. Not much more could be done. And please don’t say it’s because they let Torre leave. That’s insulting.
27 good question, I haven’t heard if there was any investigation regarding the leaking of the story. I don’t recall who broke the story? It should be looked into, because the timing was highly suspicious.
if the yanks lose Mo then there goes Joba out of the starting rotation. Now we will need to replace Pettite and Joba
Sara and all the more reason not to trade Ian.
Because the only pitcher that has spent more time at home is our very own Pavano. That would be riduculous if they asked for one of the 3 for a guy that is off more than he works. Thats not including a 1 year rental. More than a good potential pitcher and some mediocre players would be too much.
Sara,
Who says we have to win 95 games EVERY YEAR? Yankees fans are spoiled.
I have said this a thousand times on this blog: if the Yankees have to take one step back to take 3 steps forward for 09, I am all for it.
Instead of dumping tons of money on FAs and trading away our prospects for superstars, build on what we have now, try to put together a “competitive” team and go with it, assess mid-season moves based on where we are in late June.
I hate to say it, but the Red Sox will be a force to be reckoned with for a few years, why not REBUILD instead of RELOAD so that we can put them back where they belong in the long haul?
Jennifer,
Don’t you know anything about baseball? Hitting, not pitching, wins championships. lol.
lol, mel that’s 2 days in a row
Jennifer,
Mitchell denied that he or any member of his investigative staff had anything to do with the publication of allegations against Byrd (SI.com story). I do believe that Mitchell has a record of integrity and I don’t suspect that he himself was responsible. But I don’t know how he can be certain that no member of his investigative staff had anything to do with it.
Brandon,
?? The insult?
Sign me up!!
The Yankees score 968 runs this last year.. Thats not going to be repeated..
At somepoint we’ve got to realize, like the Yankees themselves are, that you can’t blundegon your way to a championship. You need to pitch.
The Yankees, Angels, Tigers, Mariners, and Rockies all had a better overall .AVG than the Sox.. Didn’t matter.
How about the Yankees agaisnt the Indians.. The Yankees had a .290 AVg, the Indians .268.. The same as the “Rays” (new name haha)
The difference was in the pitching. The Yankees had an ERA of 4.49.. The Indians 4.05 and the Red Sox 3.87..
Pitching is the key to this. We need to hold onto our pitchers.. If we’re going to trade our prospects, then it should be for some established pitchers. Not position players..
Does Santana giving up 33 bombs this year scare anyone? Does anyone think maybe he is wearing dowm? I have to say im a little leary.
Mitchell denied that he or any member of his investigative staff had anything to do with the publication of allegations against Byrd (SI.com story). I do believe that Mitchell has a record of integrity and I don’t suspect that he himself was responsible. But I don’t know how he can be certain that no member of his investigative staff had anything to do with it.
“Since a politician never believes what he says, he is surprised when others believe him.”
jake, come on. you really think that lineup can win 95 games?
Lineups dont win games, its lineups and pitching. So if the yankees have the pitching with THAT lineup, they have the wins.
Pettitte is 35. No need to give him 2 months off and have him pitch 4 months. If he cant pitch the whole year, there is no point in signing him
SoS27
Thank you!
Seriously, we need to rejuvenate the domination. Ain’t going to happen by trading away the farm for a fat slob like Miguel Cabrera.
or dumping $260 million on Pay-Rod.
I wonder if Scott Boras has soiled his own shorts yet.
Mel silly me
Migames,
I totally think the Yankees can win 95 games next year with that lineup and a pitching staff that includes Pettitte, Wang, Hughes, and Joba plus Moose or IPK. Problem is, we still have to monitor IPs for the youngsters. That’s why I think trying to trade for a veteran inning eater with one or two years on their contract might be wise. I don’t know who that is, but it seems logical, right?
If you don’t resign Posada and Mariano and Pettite retires, you have to realize that it will be tougher to be a big contender. But 95 wins is not unrealistic if we round out a solid bullpen and bring in someone capable of giving us 200 innings (because Moose can’t) on top of the re-signing of Mo, Po, and Andy.
How about having a 6 man rotation? That would keep the innings down for the youngsters.
Jake,
We dont need a Joba and a JOBA THE HUTT(CABRERA)on the same team. Unless they do a schilling type of deal and have a wieght clause for him. But still I have HIGH hopes for Ian and would prefer to hang on to him.
SOS- don’t quite understand your point.
Here’s mine;
Sheets will not be available and there is no way on planet earth the Yankees trade any of the ‘big 3′ for Sheets if somehow MIL said WTH, let’s put him on the block and get rid of the injured bum.
BTW: How did you put your comments in a box like that-pretty slick?
Mussina could stick around in the rotation to form a six-man rotation, but that would be tricky. Moose is well-known for wanting to pitch once every 5th day. He doesn’t want any deviation from his routine. Girardi will figure something out though. He’s a smart guy.
There is talent in the 2008 Yankee lineup and a bright future. But without some hitting help from the right side, an improved bullpen, and the return of Andy Pettitte, 95 wins will be a long shot.
Joba, Hughes and Kennedy have bright futures, but lets be realistic, they are not going to turn into Smoltz/Glavine/Maddox in one season .!
Forget Mussina, that ship has sailed..actually sunk.
It would not be a disaster to suffer through a rebuilding year in 2008 for a potential run of the mid-90′s “glory years” starting in 2009. That said, the Yankees already will field a winning team in 2008 – Count on it. But without some major help through free agency or trades, winning it all in 2008 is a long shot.
Yankee21,
Just read it today that he will be on the block. I think his value is down from years past. Simply for the fact he hasnt been able to finish a season. So I strongly believe that it wouldnt cost us any of the 3 for a one year injury prone player.
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“Because the only pitcher that has spent more time at home is our very own Pavano. That would be riduculous if they asked for one of the 3 for a guy that is off more than he works. Thats not including a 1 year rental. More than a good potential pitcher and some mediocre players would be too much.”
he threw 141.3 innings last year. he is far from a horse, but it’s absurd to compare him to pavano.
he is signed for $11M next year. that is basically the salary of an average pitcher these days.
the Brewers want to compete in 2008. if Sheets is healthy they will compete. if he isn’t and only pitches 140 innings, they still might compete. if they trade him for Kei Igawa they definitely won’t compete.
can you please explain to me the motivation from Milwaukee’s perspective to trade a potential ace for some of the Yankees second tier pitching prospects? why would they do that?
some of you guys really think other teams are dying to take the Yankees’ crap back in exchange for useful players. no wonder so many people rip cashman here, they don’t operate in the real world.
in the real world, Alan Horne for Ben Sheets is not a realistic trade. if it was, it would have happened already.
LathamJoe,
Well spoken, very well spoken.
And Girardi is certainly competent and will have a game plan in mind.
Let’s see what Cash and Girardi come up with and come January, I bet we’ll have a solid feel for what kind of success we can expect in 08.
Side Note: a 6 man rotation is a BAD idea any which way you look at it.
How about Karstens as the 6th man. He seems to be pitching pretty good right now for the U.S. Moose traded to Philly or made the long man.
J-Dawg,
I’m sure it was because he had a chip on his shoulder, but Mussina responded admirably both on and off the field in the last of the season. And he had no idea of when he would be pitching next.
6-man rotations don’t usually work, but worst-case scenario it might for the Yankees. And it’d have to be 6 guys on a 5-man rotation, resting guys so they don’t smash their innings cap.
Hey! How about this? IF Andy comes back, you have Wang, Pettitte, Hughes/Joba, IPK, Mussina. Hughes goes 5 innings and then Joba goes 4 to finish the game.
Seriously, how jacked do you think the Big 3 are at the prospect of them anchoring the starting rotation next season? That’s so cosmic.
Yankee 21,
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I do think the Brewers will make Ben Sheets available. He’ll be a free agent in ’09, right? I doubt they’ll overpay to keep him so they might as well get what they can for him. Same with Peavy, Sabathia, and Santana. The Yankees shouldn’t trade for any of them, or Miguel Cabrera. It cost entirely too much and they would be pay twice for them.
Mel- It may be a sign of the Apocalypse, but Moose did become more flexible toward the end of the year. You’re right!
Hmmm,
What do you think it would cost us? Again not worth the top 3 for a one year injury prone rental. I thought we could get him and hope he stays healthy for less cost.
What do you think it would cost
Mel,
I like the rover idea. 5 inning then 4. But wouldnt Ian need a break as well? I would make Ian that guy,for 2 reasons. 1. he has more innings pitched last year. and 2. he is a control pitcher.
Sara-
“Fist, make sure Andy is coming back. If so, trade Melky and Kennedy plus a prospect or two to the Marlins for Cabrera. Then go out and get Torii Hunter on the free agent market.”
TRADE MELKY AND KENNEDY?are you out of your MIND?can you begin to imagine our outfield without melky?i would pick melky over torii hunter ANY day.i see great things cumin for this one…
as for kennedy, i havent seen enough of him yet. but i like the way he looks so far.
S.o.S.27
I was thinking of saving on innnings to avoid a big jump in innings. It’s my understanding that Hughes doesn’t have very many inning under his belt, because he was “babied” in the minors. It’d be a dream to let them all go 200+, but I know that’d be destructive.
Our of the trio, I think kennedy has pitched the most innings in a season.. And I think it was 165..
Dman,
Thanks. What’s the max on the jump?
“What do you think it would cost us? Again not worth the top 3 for a one year injury prone rental. I thought we could get him and hope he stays healthy for less cost.”
not sure. i don’t know if they would do it without at least kennedy.
there is probably a package somewhere that could get it done without including one of the 3 starters, but i am not sure what that package is.
look, i understand what you are saying, 1 year of Sheets is NOT worth Kennedy or Hughes. i agree.
but this is what i am saying: the Brewers don’t HAVE to trade Sheets. the alternative, holding onto Sheets, is not an unattractive one.
so you have to think about it like this: the package you offer has to include MORE than fair value because you first have to convince them to trade Sheets.
hmmm,
If he doesnt go on the trading block then I agree that you have to give them more than fair value. But if hes already out there on the trading block, then I would think it would take less. Maybe as you stated earlier, they might be sick of his injuries.Remember it is the Brewers and he is owed 11 mil(salary dump).
My Pettitte concern: He is on the steroid list and doesn’t want his family to be negatively impacted more than necessary as therefore might give up pitching even though his elbow isn’t bothering him now.
STD story – that girl deserves a lot more money than she is getting.
Roger came back to the Yankees for 4 reasons that I know of: 1. Torre, 2. Money, 3. Andy, 4. Wants to go into HOF as a Yankee but I still wish I knew what his “Every decision you make might not make somebody else happy,” he said. “I wish there were three of me. I really do. My innermost thoughts and feelings that I’m keeping close to my heart, when it’s all said and done at the end of the year, I’ll tell you the exact reasons why I did what I did,”
was all about.
Love the Farnsworth piece; maybe that will be part of the Tejada deal that would make life at 3rd a bit easier – they are talking about 3rd, not ss. Also, it wouldn’t be just Farnsworth; they would need to give-up something/one else.
Team schedule – no Dodgers, too bad. Dodgers are opening in Asia according to Mattingly.
Michael Kay – let me begin with I really don’t like him but his Donnie interview was excellent. He was ranting about Bud Selig not being allowed to tamper with the salaries, etc. Donnie said he was shocked Alex opted out – he couldn’t even fathom walking away from that kind of money.
Seth Everett of MLB.com said that the money being bandied about for A-Rod was $27M/yr – a big come-down from what Boras was asking for.
Last night Posada and family were down at the Seaport for an event – Jorge wouldn’t answer any questions about the Yankees but when asked about Torre leaving he did say, “We†when responding as in we, the Yankees.
again–i just don’t understand all this talk about trading for miguel cabrera. sure, sure, there’s a lot of media hype, but there’s a lot of media hype about britney spears, too, and that doesn’t mean her CD is any good.
cabrera is a great RH bat, absolutely. the problem is that he’s very likely not going to be a third baseman very much longer. he’s already sub-par defensively and, if he keeps gaining weight (some reports say he’s gained 60 pounds since his rookie debut), he’ll be a first baseman or DH by 2009. . .and the yankees will still need a third baseman!! PLUS–there will be a certain Teixiera guy on the market as a free agent first-baseman in the winter of 2008 who would certainly look good playing for the yankees. AND the price for cabrera, if we can believe the press, is going to be ridiculous–hughes/tabata++ AND a HUGE salary by the time the 2009 season begins.
miguel tejada, on the other hand, could be a great acquisition. if the yanks could obtain him for a package of melky/gonzales/horne (or something like that), i’d say GO FOR IT.
he could provide solid offense and defense for another two years–easy–until, let’s say, someone like laird, or vecchionacci, or suttle may be ready to take over.
horne’s gonna be a solid #3 starter, i think, melky’s already proven himself, and gonzales isn’t much, but he’s something. and the yanks could then sign mike cameron (for two years) or aaron rowand to play CF until A-Jax is ready.
why give up the farm, once again? isn’t that the kind of thinking that has gotten the yankees into their present mess? you give up a phil hughes ONLY for a still-young-enough top pitcher (i.e. santana, kazmir, etc.), NOT for a DH.