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Open market beckons Posada and Rivera

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 11, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It has been a quiet few days in baseball as the GMs digest the information they obtained in Orlando last week.

For the Yankees, the next two days will be stressful. Starting Tuesday, Jorge Posada and Mariano Rivera will enter the open market and with the swipe of a pen could leave the Yankees.

I have not yet heard a team express an interest in Rivera. The industry-wide assumption is that he will return to the Yankees. The Phillies were a possibility but they traded for Brad Lidge. One way or another, Rivera will stay in pinstripes.

But Posada will have options. The Mets almost certainly will make him an offer on Tuesday if he is available. The Blue Jays are interested and the Marlins will at least inquire.

Posada will not leave New York. His son’s doctors are here and he recently expanded his home in Manhattan. He will play for either the Mets or Yankees next season, that much we do know.

I believe the Yankees will act out of desperation and sign him. But it’s not guaranteed. Posada has always had a little edge to his personality and he could hold it against the Yankees that they would not sign him to an extension in spring training. He also was Joe Torre’s clubhouse enforcer, a guy who brooked no disrespect to the manager.

Posada is a smart guy. As members of the feeble National League, the Mets are closer to the World Series than the Yankees are. He would arrive in Queens an instant team leader.

But he also understands the value of being a career Yankee. He has seen up close the stature Yogi Berra has. He wants to walk into history with his buddy Derek Jeter.

Ultimately, it’ll be the money. Omar Minaya acts on impulse and Brian Cashman is devoid of sentiment. If Minaya gets the Wilpon family to throw four years and $65 million at Posada, Cashman might just walk away.

His agents have played it smart, going right to the deadline. What advantage is gained by signing earlier? Now the deadline is approaching.

UPDATE, 4:45 p.m.: Just to clear something up, the Yankees made firm offers to both players, that happened weeks ago. Now there is negotiating going on. Some people e-mailed me asking about a report that the Yankees would make them offers. They already have. The question now is where the negotiation goes.

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386 Responses to “Open market beckons Posada and Rivera”

  1. Joe from Long Island November 11th, 2007 at 4:26 pm

    Peter –
    Interesting contrast you drew between Minaya and Cash. But ultimately you are right, I think. Cash has always used the expression, “It has to make sense” when discussing picking up players. Four years, at as much as $65M as you stated, wouldn’t make sense, and that’s in the league with a DH. Overpaying for Torrealba would make more sense, cold as that may be. Though we would be giving up 1-2 years of better offensive output (maybe).

  2. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 11th, 2007 at 4:32 pm

    We can’t let Jorge leave, but we can’t pay him a zillion dollars either. Jorge has alot of respect for the Yankee organization, and the catchers that played before him; Yogi, Munson. I still can’t see him leave the Yankees, I think he is making them and the fans sweat it out.

  3. tonyb November 11th, 2007 at 4:35 pm

    If Omar offers 4 for 65, then good bye Jorge. It’s bad business to pay that kind of money to a 41 year old catcher. I love Jorge, but I also understand that you can’t always cave when you’re held over a barrel.

    Without Andy, Jorge and AROD, it’s going to require some blockbuster trades to turn this into anything but a rebuilding year. Maybe Torre knew what he was doing when he declined the one year deal.

  4. DHC November 11th, 2007 at 4:37 pm

    Some people scorned the warm fatherly image of Joe Torre as an authority figure, but everything has its advantages and its disadvantages. Torre was able to dilute Cashman’s unsentimental-businessman image and Steinbrenner’s abrasiveness enough to give some humanity to the Yankees image. Now the face of NYY is hard-nosed-tough-guy manager arm in arm with the ColdCash Man. People like Andy and Jorge who perhaps were influenced by personal loyalty in the past may conform to the new Yankee ways and take a pure-business approach themselves now. Nothing wrong with fitting in. And the new ways may be the best ways for the coming years. We’ll know more next year at this time.

  5. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 11th, 2007 at 4:41 pm

    Ross !!

  6. Agent47 November 11th, 2007 at 4:44 pm

    If posada wishes to be greedy he can take his horrible game calling skills to queens.

  7. Bronx Bomber November 11th, 2007 at 4:46 pm

    Cash already has his work cutout for him this winter as he needs to provide this team with a true ace, re-sign his closer, replace a depleted bullpen, add some righthanded pop and find a 3bsmen. Then there was the whole process of finding a manager.

    Why add to his stress w/ a scramble for MORE power and a catcher…cut Posada a big fat check and move on to the other equally important issues.

  8. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 11th, 2007 at 4:47 pm

    bad throw Eli :(

  9. Torre, Torre, Torre November 11th, 2007 at 4:47 pm

    maybe it’s for the best.

    good-bye, Georgie, thanks for the memories, hope you enjoy the DH-less national league.

  10. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 11th, 2007 at 4:50 pm

    com’on hit this Romo guy once please make it hurt

  11. BBFan November 11th, 2007 at 4:51 pm

    “As members of the feeble National League, the Mets are closer to the World Series than the Yankees are.”

    You must be kidding. With that terrible pitching, Mets are a better lock for WS? LOL.

    When are people going to stop this Torre humnan face BS? He is gone, get over it. If Posada cares about only highest money deal, it does not matter who is the manager.

    It is unbeleivable about the doom and gloom written here that would happen if Posada leaves. Yanks will be alright. They need a good defensive catcher who calls a better game. Sure, we should go after Posada and get him. But if it comes to more than 3 years, it is better to shun him unless you are prepared for this playoff futility for many years to come. See, Yankess have taken care of Posada well over his career and they do not owe him any thing.

  12. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 11th, 2007 at 4:51 pm

    please resign.

    It’s been a bad weekend and a horrible day. I could use some cheer.

  13. Torre, Torre, Torre November 11th, 2007 at 4:51 pm

    Hip-Hip Mercenary !

  14. CT November 11th, 2007 at 4:52 pm

    Can anyone really see Jorge catching Pedro? I don’t think he’s going to the Mets.

  15. eyes of realism November 11th, 2007 at 4:53 pm

    How much influence does the Captain have with Mo and Jorge ? Simply put …. a lot.

  16. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 11th, 2007 at 4:53 pm

    CT, yup :(

  17. Torre, Torre, Torre November 11th, 2007 at 4:56 pm

    Cashman better start kicking the tires on Lo Ducca.

  18. On D Ball November 11th, 2007 at 4:57 pm

    DHC

    I hope you are not talking about those nice NY Yankees that used to have Yankee Jr. Days so I could get to watch my favorite team live. And free to boot.

    My father had a friend who would beg, borrow and steal to hire a bus so he could hire a bus to take kids from an orphanage and me to the games.

    They filled the entire upper deck with us kids.

    They showed lots of humanity to me.

  19. Mike S. November 11th, 2007 at 4:59 pm

    The funny thing is, Yogi wasn’t a career Yankee. Yogi played in a handful of games for Stengel in 1965 for the Mets.

  20. Mike S. November 11th, 2007 at 4:59 pm

    just saying…

  21. NY 23 November 11th, 2007 at 5:03 pm

    How Do , I would Not Give Posada 4 years . It is just asking for Trouble . Draw a line in the sand 3 years or the Yankees move on .
    Very Nice !!!!

  22. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 11th, 2007 at 5:04 pm

    Torrealba >>> LoPuca

  23. Phil - 27 in '08 November 11th, 2007 at 5:05 pm

    4 years and $65M for Posada? Wow, Pete. I didn’t realize Minaya was willing to go that far.

    If that is the case we’d better get used to Posada in a Mets uniform because, even though it is not my money, that would be a lot of money to pay at the end of the contract for a catcher of that age.

    At least that would open up a spot to (potentially) bring in an above-average catcher and upgrade defensively at that position.

  24. Mitchell's Eleven November 11th, 2007 at 5:06 pm

    I hate to say it, but I think the right thing here is to let fiscal responsibility take a back seat and overpay to bring both back, if need be. Until there are better homegrown solutions, we can’t afford to lose Posada’s production, or replace him with any of the less-than-stellar secondary options out there. With Mo, the future of our starting pitching staff looks bright with Joba Chamberlain in the rotation, and not with him closing. Loyalty goes both ways. If we expect them to stay, then we should expect the team to reward them for years of excellent work at this time. There are other places we can more fiscally responsible at.

  25. chris November 11th, 2007 at 5:06 pm

    REGARDING PAY-ROD’S SUCCESSOR

    Hey Pete -

    Are we really that bad at the hot corner, in AAA? There is no one that has shown some legitimate major league potential at 3rd?? Someone not named Drew Henson preferably…

  26. BBFan November 11th, 2007 at 5:12 pm

    It is just not money.
    Once you give them these long term contracts you need to coddle thier egos and play them even if they lost it. If not, they feel insulted they are not playing.

  27. Phil - 27 in '08 November 11th, 2007 at 5:16 pm

    If you have Posada at age 41 and you are on the hook for $15M+ and he is not a productive player, you face damage on at least two fronts:
    1) Payroll (and salary cap penalty) – probably minimal worry to the Yanks.
    2) Roster spot – how do you gracefully bench, DFA, or trade a Yankee mainstay?

    If he is a solid contributor at age 41 at C, 1B, or DH…then the above is moot. But the odds are against it.

  28. BBB November 11th, 2007 at 5:17 pm

    I really don’t mind the Yanks giving Jorge 4 yrs and 65 mil at all if that’s what the Mets are offering. He can DH or play 1b w/us, whereas there he only has the 1b option down the line. The Yankees really need to retain him IMO…hate Paul LoDuca, don’t want to see him on the team at all.

    meanwhile GO GIANTS!!! Shockey w00t!

  29. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 11th, 2007 at 5:19 pm

    we’re wearing these fools down BBB !!!

  30. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 11th, 2007 at 5:23 pm

    BBB I totally agree, I hope he isn’t even on the Yankees radar if po leaves.

  31. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 11th, 2007 at 5:27 pm

    Gilbride calling some suspect plays right :(

    and Eli can you throw the ball away instead of taking sacks

  32. Joe from Long Island November 11th, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    The point about Jorge catching Pedro may not be an insignificant one. Jorge seems to have a long memory. This may just be Negotiations 101 – But plugging a roster spot for that 4th year may be a killer. Look at what we’re going through with Giambi now.

    It will be a tough call for Cash – balancing that 4th year against the need for offense without He Who Shall Not Be Named.

  33. 27for27 November 11th, 2007 at 5:39 pm

    Hey Rebecca,

    What type of grad program are you trying to get into?

    Posada is not perfect, but what are our realistic alternatives? Unless there is something better out there for us, I say we should go all out to re-sign him

  34. Rusty November 11th, 2007 at 5:40 pm

    I don’t know what the problem is with giving Jorge 4 years – figure hes a productive player for the next two seasons and spends his last two hopefully mentoring his replacement, platooning at catcher and getting some time at DH. I dunno, seems stupid that one year is gonna make or break this deal, i understand that its going to be a silly amount of money to be paying Posada in years 3-4, but if you keep things in perspective (the money we threw at Igawa, Pavano and the remainders of Giambi and Damons contracts) i don’t see why everyone is deciding to pinch pennies when it comes to Jorge.

    Bottom line is that he’s got many perks for the team aside from just his offensive numbers, i’d rather see a career yankee like Posada mentoring Jesus Montero or any other catching prospects that come up through our system than some stopgap player like Torrealba or Barrett. Hes bound to produce for another 2 seasons, and then whatever, we get a yankee legacy HOF caliber catcher working with our rotation and whatever rookie catchers we can get our hands on for the last 2 seasons.

  35. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 11th, 2007 at 5:41 pm

    holy crap TYNES actually made a big kick

  36. Torre, Torre, Torre November 11th, 2007 at 5:42 pm

    Giambi was a big-fat drag on our roster this year, and he’s going to be a big-fat drag on our roster in 08.

    Do we really want to go through that again with P-Merc?

  37. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 11th, 2007 at 5:42 pm

    27for27:

    I’m looking into an MA program in medieval history for now…would like a PhD eventually, but not straight off.

    If you have any recommendations, I’m listening.

  38. BBFan November 11th, 2007 at 5:43 pm

    You do not necessarily need an offensive catcher to win WS. We proved that with Girardi in 1996. There are number of Girardi like catchers in the FA market, including Molina.

    My first preference is still to sign Posada for upto a max three years. But, if it does not work out there is no reason to lose sleep over.

  39. bh blue November 11th, 2007 at 5:50 pm

    Brandon sesttle down. They are doing alright. Just need to get Eli to play a better second half.

  40. Rusty November 11th, 2007 at 5:52 pm

    All im saying is that i think we have to look at that 4th contract year as his DH / BUC year, I would hope that at some point in the next 3 years that we can acquire a full time catcher either from the FA market or from our system. Yes, its alot of money to pay to a DH/BUC, but as i pointed out in my last post, a good team catcher like Posada has alot more to offer to the team than just what he brings with his bat or his glove.

    Aging Giambi provides nothing to this team past his OBP, hes a big contract FA type who lends little to nothing to clubhouse chemistry and was an average 1B at best before we signed him, theres no peripheral benefit to a guy like him on the team.

    When we signed Roger this past season all the talk was about how even if he didn’t pitch to potential, it was a smart move cause he adds so much character and leadership to the team, i don’t see how Posada in his 4th year would be any different: hes a leader on the field, calls a good game, was part of the dynasty and lends alot to clubhouse chemistry – to compare Giambi to Posada is totally off.

  41. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 11th, 2007 at 5:59 pm

    *Shakes head at Giants fans*

    Heh, try playing in the AFC!

    See now, we Jets fans (okay, the ones I’ve talked to) would be perfectly complacent to go 3-13 if it means beating the Patriots.

    :-D

  42. Mike S. November 11th, 2007 at 6:00 pm

    Angel Chavez (.291-11-66) got most of the time at 3B at Scranton in 2007. He is 26 and had a cup of tea with the Giants in 2005.

    As for Eric Duncan, forget it. He is a lefty hitter in a lineup already stacked with lefties whose last three seasons have seen .235, .234 and .241. The soon-to-be 23-year-old hasn’t shown me much in the games I have seen him at Trenton and Scranton. In the last two seasons, he has played only 14 games at 3B, as he was switched to 1B a few years ago.

  43. Vinny November 11th, 2007 at 6:04 pm

    Such is the case when there’s a demanding position and few to select from. Corner outfielders are a dime a dozen but not catchers.
    Jorge and his agents know exactly where they stand but gut feeling says he’ll not shake the Yankees down to the point of being ridiculous. All parties will come to terms and walk away happy. Jorge will be a Yankee for life.

  44. Mike S. November 11th, 2007 at 6:04 pm

    He is a lefty hitter in a lineup already stacked with lefties, and Duncan’s last three seasons have seen .235, .234 and .241 out of him.

    Sorry…hope that reads better.

  45. Mike S. November 11th, 2007 at 6:09 pm

    Actually, Chris Basak got most of the 3B time, then Chavez went to 3B. I’m thinking of the last time I was up there, when it was Chavez, hence he was the first one I thought of.

    As for Basak: August 17, 2007: Selected off waivers by the Minnesota Twins from the New York Yankees.

  46. Brandon (I want Arod but fire Boras first, please land me a Kazmir) November 11th, 2007 at 6:13 pm

    they can’t hit him, they just can’t

  47. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 11th, 2007 at 6:14 pm

    Who are ‘they’, who are they hitting, and why are they hitting them?

  48. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 11th, 2007 at 6:15 pm

    I had actually forgotten that Pedro was even on the Mets till a co-worker brought that up. He is a Met fan mind you. I said that Jorge would either go to the Yankees or Mets for the reasons stated by Pete. But I don’t know how much he can forgive and forget what Pedro did. I still think Jorge will be back, he is just tweaking the Yanks.

  49. 27for27 November 11th, 2007 at 6:18 pm

    Rebecca,

    I am an academic, but not in history. Still, I have some idea of how the whole process works. What are your career goals?

    Posada knows our pitching staff, works well with young pitchers, has really improved his ability to throw runners out at 2nd, and is an offensive threat. Not so great defensively behind the plate as most dramatically evidence in the ALDS game 2. Someone said he doesn’t call a great game, but I can’t comment on that. I’d be interested to hear what others think in that area.

  50. Andrea November 11th, 2007 at 6:21 pm

    27for27: like Rebecca, I’m applying to graduate schools as well. We take solace in each other from time to time. What is your academic area?

  51. We Miss Paulie November 11th, 2007 at 6:22 pm

    If Jorge decides to go elsewhwere….what about Molina? He seemed great whenever he played last season? Hes not a bad Plan B that the Yankees already have…

  52. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 11th, 2007 at 6:28 pm

    But can he catch everyday?

  53. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 11th, 2007 at 6:29 pm

    27for27:

    My ultimate goals are to teach history–high school for a couple of years, work at a PhD part-time, because right now an MA is daunting enough, get it, and then teach courses on early Tudor England or medieval England in some semi-prestigious university.

    My other ultimate goal is to write novels. If you want to see the one I’m currently working on, feel free to check out m’blog.

    But yeah, any advice you have, I am all ears. My GRE scores were as average as possible, really, so I’ll probably retake them.

  54. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 11th, 2007 at 6:29 pm

    He hasn’t made much over his career. Maybe we can ink him to 2/4. That is what he made 7 years!!

  55. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 11th, 2007 at 6:30 pm

    We won’t know if Molie can catch full time unless we resign him. We can’t assume he’s automatically going to come back to the Yankees.

  56. Andrea November 11th, 2007 at 6:49 pm

    Ok, is Molina even a free agent? Every time some article sited Yankees who became free agents, Molina was not on that list. Mo, Posada, obviously A-Rod all were, Vizcaino, Villone and Mientkiewicz were. I never saw Molina on on the list. I don’t really know what that means, I’m just saying.

  57. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 11th, 2007 at 6:54 pm

    Molie has declared for FA, yes.

  58. RSM November 11th, 2007 at 7:01 pm

    My instinct tells me that Posada wants to stay, but he’s annoyed about not getting an extension in ST and is using his leverage to make the Yankees pay.

    However, if there is one GM willing to seriously overpay (in money OR contract length) for a player he really wants, it’s Minaya.

  59. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 11th, 2007 at 7:10 pm

    I am confused about the article that was in the Post. Why do the Yankees even need to release Carl. Isn’t he on the 60 day dl, therefor not even on the 40 man roster.

  60. Andrea November 11th, 2007 at 7:12 pm

    Ok, why are all newspapers listing Yankee free agents completely ignoring Molina then? he’s seriously not mentioned at all.

  61. tim November 11th, 2007 at 7:14 pm

    Jorge was just on the air at the Knicks game tonight. He said 90% chance on returning to Yankees. THen said 90% chance of going to the Mets. He said it was between those two teams and they just came back to the Garden and there was an impromptu news conference going on with Jorge on the side of the court. Not sure what’s going on

  62. whoa November 11th, 2007 at 7:15 pm

    Posada at his age is a lot more replaceable than A-Rod.

    The Yankees should come to their senses and get A-Rod signed.

    Mo and Posada can leave if they want. I wouldn’t overpay them.

  63. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 11th, 2007 at 7:20 pm

    Tim: Wow, can you keep us updated?

  64. whoa November 11th, 2007 at 7:24 pm

    Posada is playing it too cute.

    Go the Mets if he wants to be that way.

    The Yankees developed him. The Yankees converted him to catcher The Yankees made him a multi-millionaire. The Yankees surrounded him with enough talent to win four rings.

    He’s being an ingrate by holding the Yankees up.

  65. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 11th, 2007 at 7:26 pm

    DAMIT JORGE!! Just put the Knick game on where is he sitting?

  66. Dee November 11th, 2007 at 7:29 pm

    I’ve always felt that Jorge could make a great manager someday, especially for the Yankees. Has he ever expressed interest? I may be reaching here but that’s another of the many reasons why he should stay a career Yankee.

    Really no one is interested in Mo?? What happened to Phillies? It’s a strange conflict I have…I’ll seriously go into traumatic shock if Mo leaves but I still like to know that he is wanted elsewhere.

    If Jorge and Andy both leave it’ll be way too depressing. Girardi and Cash will need to create some special motivational coach position for Paulie to come back and boost morale.

  67. Drive 4-5 November 11th, 2007 at 7:29 pm

    Brian Cashman should have signed Jorge last spring. In the least, Cashman’s stubborness is going to cost the Yanks more than they wanted to pay both Jorge and Mo. Brian Cashman is also ultimately responsible for the Yankees not having one legitimate catcher in their minor league system.

    If Cashman loses Jorge Posada, then he needs to be the next to go. There was no reason whatsoever for the Yankees to be in this predicament.

  68. Bryant November 11th, 2007 at 7:30 pm

    Ideal situation would be to have a true defensive catcher to work with the mass of young pitchers coming through the Yankee system right now. Unfortunately offense from the catcher position is more necessary now more than ever. Yankees need to get it done with Jorge.

    I know the Yankees can win without A-Rod but you got to admit the domino effect of his not being with the team is troubling. Instead of overpaying 1 guy, the Yankees have the potential of overpaying many to try and reconfigure to replace what they already had and could lose some of the kids in the process. Sometimes going cheap is infinitely more expensive.

  69. whoa November 11th, 2007 at 7:32 pm

    dude,

    The Yankees didn’t sign Jorge in the Spring because they couldn’t sign Mo without seeing him stay healthy and if they had signed Po it would have risked insulting Mo.

    And they have a cacher, Cervelli.

    Cash has rebuilt the farm system. It’s you who needs to go.

  70. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 11th, 2007 at 7:32 pm

    When Jorge managed the last game this year, he made the comment that he couldn’t do this (meaning meeting with the media etc). Who knows he could change his mind down the road. Although I’d see him being a Lou type. Picking up a base and throwing it.

  71. Torre, Torre, Torre November 11th, 2007 at 7:33 pm

    Cash shouldn’t waste anymore time with Posada.

    Really, why would the Mets ink him to a four year deal? There’s no DH. Sure they can talk about moving him to 1st base, but advanced age reduces range, and it’s not like he starting off with a lot of agility to begin with.

    If he doesn’t sign by the end of the week, then let him go to Shea or Dodger Stadium.

    Spring training is 90 days away; lots of holes to plug, and there isn’t enough time to pamper Georgie’s ego.

  72. Ross November 11th, 2007 at 7:34 pm

    Jorge was the “give me a minute” celebrity at halftime of the Knicks game.

    Says that there is a 90% chance he will stay with the Yankees, but 10% chance he will play for the Mets. He said it was between the two teams.

    Said he never wants to put on another uniform, but “we’ll see”. Apparently there is a huge meeting tomorrow with the Yankees.

    No link, because the interview JUST happened on the knicks halftime report. Just thought I would pass it along!

  73. Drive 4-5 November 11th, 2007 at 7:34 pm

    whoa,

    I disagree. Brian Cashman is the ingrate. Jorge Posada has given 100% to the Yankees. All he asked if for some security. He deserved it and Cashman refused to give it. Jorge Posada owes nothing to the Yankees. They paid him for his services and he delivered them.

  74. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 11th, 2007 at 7:35 pm

    Look at the chain of events that occured because someone got behind the wheel drunk (i’m sure other things played into it, but for arguements sake). Swindle was in line to succeed George. Was talking with Joe about managing this year. If Joe would have been extended we probably would have seen both Mo and Po extended. Once he was arrested that all went out the window. We now have a new manager, and who knows what else.

  75. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 11th, 2007 at 7:36 pm

    Ross- THanks!! Hopefully we won’t put on another uniform!!

  76. Ross November 11th, 2007 at 7:36 pm

    P.S

    The 90% thing that he said was confusing, but I am pretty sure he was just reiterating that he said there is a 90% chance he will stay with the Yankees. The follow-up question was – can you see yourself in a Mets uniform after all of these years with the Yankees. The answer was “90 % – it will be one of the two”. I took that to mean “like I said, it is 90% that I will be back with the Yankees, so you can figure out that there is a 10% chance I will go to the Mets”

    It was definitely confusing.

  77. Torre, Torre, Torre November 11th, 2007 at 7:38 pm

    They paid him for his services and he delivered them.

    Exactly.

    Another mercenary who thinks he’s bigger than the Yankees.

    Sign Georgie and then trade him for Kobe.

  78. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 11th, 2007 at 7:38 pm

    He is just screwing with Cash. Cash probably jumped for joy when he heard 90% to the Yanks, than feel to the floor when he heard 90% mets.

    I can’t see Jorge in a Met uniform. I don’t think he likes the crap that Reyes, Millage pull.

  79. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 11th, 2007 at 7:39 pm

    Don’t lump Jorge with an ass like Kobe.

  80. Drive 4-5 November 11th, 2007 at 7:43 pm

    whoa,

    Sorry you cant participate is a discussion without getting personal.

    Here’s the man you are going to replace Jorge Posada with:

    Francisco Cervelli in 89 games and 290 at bats hit .279 with 2 home runs and 32 rbi’s at Single A Tampa. In other words, in 600 at bats he would project to 4 home runs and 64 rbi’s.
    Cervelli isnt exactly showing anything in winter ball either.He’s hitting a whopping .179 without a home run or an rbi.

    Nice “prospect”.

  81. Dee November 11th, 2007 at 7:45 pm

    Jennifer -
    Thanks for the reminder, now I remember Jorge made that comment. He’s usually pretty good with interviews so hopefuly that won’t stop him if he’s interested. I was so excted Joe picked him to manage the last game, I kind of knew he would too.

    Just turned on the Knick game now. Where’s Jorge sitting?

  82. Bryant November 11th, 2007 at 7:48 pm

    Jorge meant it’s 90% that he would stay in NY with either the Yanks or the Mets. While I think his heart is with the Yank and he wants to stay, NY is the key. Doctors, kids schools, wifes career aspirations, remodeling all indicate he wants to remain in NY. All things being equal, he’s wearing pinstripes. If Minaya blows him away, it could be interesting.

  83. ThatWasMe November 11th, 2007 at 7:51 pm

    90% Yankees, 90% Mets. I think Jorge has been around Yogi too long.

  84. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 11th, 2007 at 7:52 pm

    I haven’t found out where Jorge is sitting. :(

  85. Dee November 11th, 2007 at 7:53 pm

    Torre –

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    Is sample size is a foreign concept to you? How many ABs does Cervelli have in Winter Ball?

    But I guess that you would expect the Yankees to have acquired a great prospect at every level at every position since 2005.

    Perhaps you are unaware that power is the last tool to develop.

    Patience is a virtue.

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    That comment doesn’t have a leg to stand on!

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    Again, I’d be willing to offer a 4th year, club option. But I don’t want to carry dead weight againg (Giambi). One of the main reasons Giambi signed with us, instead of staying with his brother in Oakland, was Big Stein offer an additional year at $23 million. Oakland took a lot of heat, but in the end, they lucked out by not caving into an inflexible contract.

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    All this for one more year at extra $13-15mil instead of the $23mil for Jason. I think there’s a difference here.

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    And if anyone says “you don’t pay blah blah dollars for a back up,” I just might scream.

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    you just don’t pay $15 million dollars for a back-up!

    okay, just kidding.

    Dee- I think we agree. Overpay for Jorge, considering he’s been underpaid in baseball terms, just give us some flexibility in the 4th year.

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    As for power being the last tool to develop,I’m fully aware that is the norm. However,in an interview on scout.com Cervelli labels himself a “contact hitter”.

    The very reason the Yanks are trying to convert Cervelli to become a catcher because they don’t have many catching prospects in their system. Prior to 2007,he was a 3rd baseman and shortstop.

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