Posada: “I want to stay with the Yankees”
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Jorge Posada is at the Knicks game tonight and Journal News Knicks beat writer Mike Dougherty was able to snag him for an intervew at halftime.
Here is what Mike just e-mailed me:
Update on his situation: “We’re working on it. We’re working with the Yankees. We’re going to hear from the Mets tomorrow. I have no idea. … I would like to stay with the Yankees. My heart is with the Yankees, so hopefully we can get something done.
Does he want to stay with Yankees? “That would be the first choice, yes.”
When do you want to get this done: “I don’t know yet.”
Are you going to listen to other teams: “Yes.”
Are you in the driver’s seat? “Yeah. Yeah. We’re really close. It’s not about the money. For me, it’s the best situation.”
On Joe Girardi: “I love Joe. You know, Joe’s like a big brother to me. He’s been a big brother to me since like ‘96, so hopefully I’m hopefully looking forward to working with him.”
Are chances better than 50-50 you’ll be a Yankee? “Yes. Right now it’s up in the air, but the chances are good.”
Obviously, great job by Mike getting this info. It sounds like Posada and the Yankees could be close to a deal. Good news for the Yankees.
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The way I understand this, Jorge wants to stay with the Yankees, but if an overwhelming offer comes from another team, he is willing to be overwhelmed. What would qualify as overwhelming is something known only to Jorge and family.
Please be true!
Great news!! Now Yankees have one less person to worry about. I love to see Jorge back.
“It’s not about the money”
that’s good. I guess he’s negotiating for a bigger parking space and more shower room soap.
Oh please…..it’s ALWAYS about the money.
Who was is that said “When they say it’s not about the money, it’s always about the money”?
Thanks Pete. This basically confirms what most of believed already, but after that Giants game, it’s nice to get some good news.
Let’s hope the deal gets done.
My take: He’s just running it out. Jorge is not stupid. If he really wanted the Yankees to sweat, he either wouldn’t have said anything (“Things are at a delicate point right now and I really can’t get into it…”) or he would been less obvious about voicing his preferences (“New York is my home. And I want to stay in NY if I can”). He’s going to take it down to the wire and maybe a little beyond, but he’s coming back. I hope.
Also interesting was the “Girardi is like my big brother” thing. Jorge is nothing if not competitive. Can you imagine the right of passage stuff he went through with Girardi, another guy who won’t give an inch? (Girardi: “No, no, no. Don’t do it that way, do it this way.” Jorge: “Who the **** are you?”) No wonder people who saw them together back then think there may have been a problem. I bet they are great together now, despite an occasional shouting match. You all wanted passion, right?
If only Rivera had enough class to say he’d rather stay in NY.
ya know, Jorge has every reason to sign with the Mets and reunite with Willie Randolph. Like Peter said, right now, the Mets are closer to the World Series than the Yankees. Signing with the Mets would perhaps tip the scales for the next two years.
I say Jorge gets paid. Let him get the fair market value. If he wants to stay with the Yankees, and at four years, then he knows he will see a lot of DH time when Giambi leaves after this year and both Matsui and Damon are gone next year (after 09).
There’s no way he could last four years catching and playing 1B in the NL.
I still can’t believe the Twins want Cano for Santana, along with Hughes and another pitcher. Why not offer Duncan, he’s shown at AAA and in the MLB he has power. Why not Duncan, Cabrera, Hughes and Horne can’t get it done?
Please don’t trade Robinson Cano!
Shelley that is, not Eric…
Irabu’s Son:
You think Rivera lacks class? Unique viewpoint.
Excellent work, Peter. You get the news first even at a basketball game.
“I still can’t believe the Twins want Cano for Santana, along with Hughes and another pitcher. Why not offer Duncan, he’s shown at AAA and in the MLB he has power. Why not Duncan, Cabrera, Hughes and Horne can’t get it done? ”
Shamus, i have noticed a common theme in all of your trade proposals: you seem to think that adding MORE players is the same as adding GOOD players.
that’s not really how it works. two B prospects does not equal one A prospect.
if the Twins want Cano, Malky, and Hughes, it means they want 1 star player, a cheap CFer, and an A pitching prospect.
you can’t substitute Duncan and Horne for Cano. would the yankees trade Cano to another team for Duncan and Horne? no, they would laugh at that idea.
IMO, if the Twins want Robbie and Phil, i’d tell them to take a hike. but if i were the Twins, that’s probably what i would ask for too.
but the Yankees are not going to trade Cano, he may be their best player next year.
To me the biggest tip-off that he’s staying is the comment about Joe G. He doesn’t need to go out of his way to say he loves Joe and Joe is like a big brother unless he know he’ll likely be playing for the guy next year. This is all good.
At the end, I’m very confident Jorge will return and I don’t blame him for making Cash sweat a little before signing for what is probably his last contract before he retires. There are kids with half his years in the league, half his proven performance and no playoff experience who are having a lot more fun in the FA market than Jorge is. Why shouldn’t Jorge push a little now given the kind of career he’s had? I think he’s earned it.
Irabu’s Son: “If only Rivera had enough class to say he’d rather stay in NY.” –
C’mon, how can you say Mo doesn’t have class?! Of course he wants to stay, he expressed his interest to stay back in spring training! Mo’s contract expired, he’s now actively negotiating for a new one, what else do you want from him? Arod did say he wants to stay in NY, numerously times in fact, does that make him classy then given what he ended up doing?
I will be absolutely pissed if they trade Cano.
irabu son:
we’ve all read a lot of total c-rap here from time to time this year, but to call out mariano rivera as not having any class!! take a hike.
that’s about as civilly as i can say it here
hmmm,
The reason so many people on the blog like to make up possible trades is because they all think that they have magic rocks that keep away tigers, too…
If the Yanks could have gotten Jorge signed in the spring for 2/$30M or 3/$36 and now have to pay him 4/$52M or $56M, the amount of money they would have to overpay Jorge now would be in the same neighborhood as the amount of money that made A-Rod unattractive to re-sign.
If Cashman lets his third baseman, his catcher, his manager and his closer go in the same season then he will probably be the subject of the first public crucifixion since the fall of the roman empire. Not to mention that our most seasoned veteran pitcher doesn’t want to play for our team. Who’s next … Jeter? Yeah … I know he’s got a contract until 2010 but it seems that everyone and their grandmother is scared to be a Yankee these days. Maybe we should bring up the Scranto Wilkes Barre team? That would save us a lots of dollars.
Jorge is getting alot of love for the team, he is just soaking in all the attention.
“The reason so many people on the blog like to make up possible trades is because they all think that they have magic rocks that keep away tigers, too…”
true.
i like Shamus’ enthuiasm, he is obviously excited about the team.
i was just trying to offer some advice since i’ve noticed a lot of that on this blog, people are always trying to offer quantity instead of quality.
“If Cashman lets his third baseman, his catcher, his manager and his closer go in the same season then he will probably be the subject of the first public crucifixion since the fall of the roman empire. Not to mention that our most seasoned veteran pitcher doesn’t want to play for our team. Who’s next … Jeter? Yeah … I know he’s got a contract until 2010 but it seems that everyone and their grandmother is scared to be a Yankee these days. ”
this is a funny reaction to a post where Posada says he loves the manager and the Yankees are his #1 choice.
Mariano looks to be coming back.
and Pettitte has said
Yankees will be fine
Rivera, Posada, the Santana and Tejeda.
No synergy with Arod, a self centered egoist
I love how people think free agents should just cave in and be grateful to get what they can from the Yankees?
Why is that? The team makes millions and millions a year. The players should get whatever they can by any means they can use. Why should owners get all the money?
People are stupid Pete, especially fans.
They forget its millionaires trying to get more from billionaires….The fans dont realize they are loyal to the billionaires that run their team.
If Cashman doesn’t offer Posada and Mariano a good contract,he’ll be handing away another WS win,like he did this year, when he under bid for matsuzaka!! Their contracts will determine if the yanks want to contend in 2008. Yankees need them on the team.
oops:
“and Pettitte has said it’s the yankees or no one.”
It’s no surprise that the Twins want Cano…They have a surplus of young pitchers in their system….They want position players, just what the Yanks are short on…..That being said they need to make every effort in trying to obtain Johan….This off course is if they can be granted a window to sign him long term….If not just wait and hope he hits the market next winter…...Jorge will sign with the Bombers after the market drives up his value…..
YES! Hip Hip JORGE!
Yup, as others have said, in the wake of an extremely frustrating Giants loss it is nice to get this good news. Deep down I believed all along Jorge would return but it is nice to hear him say, or imply, it too. Let’s hope they get it done soon – he has earned his payday and the Yankees have no reason to not match or exceed the Mets’ offer. That Jorge said “we’re really close” shows me Cash & co. feel the same way – good news
That signing Jorge greatly increases the odds of a Pettitte return, as Pete pointed out a few days ago, makes it even better.
“I love how people think free agents should just cave in and be grateful to get what they can from the Yankees?
Why is that? The team makes millions and millions a year. The players should get whatever they can by any means they can use. Why should owners get all the money?”
huh.
i agree with you 100%.
but that second paragraph doesn’t seem to jive with your coverage of A-Rod opting out. like that hall of fame bust with the “salary cap”.
ehh, whatever. i’m tired of talking about it. just seems a tad inconsistent.
...Sheesh.
Dude, guys, some of us are still beginners in baseball.
Seriously, when I started posting here way back when in August, I did not know the following:
anyone in the Yankees’ farm system.
I confused Phil Hughes with Darrell Rasner (don’t ask)
sabermetrics
A-rod and the ‘opt out’
that I was totally not alone in thinking that Torre couldn’t manage a bullpen.
etc.
basically what I’m tryna say is be patient. People will learn.
I don’t begrudge Pasada or Mariano for wanting good contracts.They watched Arod, Roger ,and a host of others come in for huge contracts. They both deserve every consideration they can get.They are true Yankees!
The irony of Pete’s comments above, which I generally agree with, is that IN SOME WAYS it validates A-Rod’s point.
“I love how people think free agents should just cave in and be grateful to get what they can from the Yankees?...The players should get whatever they can by any means they can use.”
As was noted above, overpaying for 40+ year olds Posada and Rivera is fine with me. Overpaying for A-Rod may be a better option than trading top prospects for a replacement, especially if they trade Cano as for Santana as suggested earlier. Without Cano in the lineup, I think bringing back A-Rod would become even more necessary.
If the Twins think they can get Robinson Cano and Phil Hughes for Johan Santana they are smoking the same stuff that posters here are smoking when they suggest trades of Ian Kennedy/Horne/Shelly Duncan for Johan.
Do the Twins really want arguably the best second baseman in the AL plus a top of the rotation starter for Johan? I thought they wanted Cano, plus lower level prospects.
raymagnetic
I read Cano, Melky and a lower level pitching prospect would probably get it done. The article said they were looking for offense and position players before pitching.
Bottom line:
Mo and Po’s contracts expired. They’re now actively negotiating for a new contract and keeping conversation open with Cash (i.e., unlike Arod).
They have played hard and have been loyal for their entire career with the Yankees.
This is likely their last contracts before they retire. They’re trying to get the best offer from the richest team in baseball.
To me, this is all fair and square. Anyone who’s calling them not classy, greedy, mercenary or all those unthinkable words have either not watched Mo and Po’s contribution to the Yankees in the past 12 yrs or have forgotten this is MLB and not charity ball.
Thanks Bryant, that’s what I thought as well.
People let Arod leave.You think he got booed last year,after all this drama this postseason,he’ll be heckled
like you wouldn’t believe.He kissed of the Yankees,let him goooooo.When one player causes this much aggrevation to a team,is he worth the headache?
I have a question loosely related to Posada’s re-signing, did Molina even file for free agency yet? I remember hearing about Villone and Viz filing, but not him.
Catya
The guys in the clubhouse who know him seem to have less of a problem with A-rod than you do. Did he run over your puppy or something?
The Yankees know what they have in Robbie Cano. You do not trade a 23 year old, arbitration eligible, gold glove caliber fielding, .307 career hitter, period. They will not trade him and Hughes for Santana. It would not be improving the team to do so. It would also leave them with two infield positions to fill vice one. And, there is not a high quality 2B in the minors ready to take the job.
So when you read stuff like this try and ask if it makes sense and always keep the bigger picture in mind.
Bryant he ran over the Yankees,that’s good enough for me!!
For murphydog, Dee, Mike, Pete, Jeff:
First off, I respect your opinions.
However, here is my gripe with Rivera. The New York Yankees have paid him over $84,000,000 in the last 10 years. 84 million. That is more money than 99.999% of us will ever sniff in our lifetimes. We fans cheered him every time he took the mound, never once booed him for blowing a key save, never once blamed him for World Series losses.
Rivera is one of my favorite players of all-time. Until this off-season. When the Yankees and Joe Torre could not come to an agreement on a contact (reminder: Torre was not fired), Rivera said that “The Yankees are now just one of thirty teams.” What? What about the accolades you’ve received from being a member of the Yankees? What about the rich, extravagant lifestyle you live because for the last 13 years, you’ve been cashing checks from the Yankees? What about we fans, who have been with you every step of the way?
Mariano Rivera is a hero to the working people of New York and our support has helped you become a rich and famous man. Throw us a bone. Tell us how much you love playing in New York. I am not asking you to give the Yankees a discount. I am asking that you give the team and fans some respect.
“They’re now actively negotiating for a new contract and keeping conversation open with Cash (i.e., unlike Arod).”
i’m pretty sure it’s the yankees who are not allowing any conversation with a-rod, not the other way around.
I’m not a fan of Mike Lupica, but he did write a nice piece today on A-Rod and his postseason heroics….
“We fans cheered him every time he took the mound, never once booed him for blowing a key save, never once blamed him for World Series losses.”
not true.
i was there. game 2 of the 2005 season. rivera was booed.
“That is more money than 99.999% of us will ever sniff in our lifetimes. ”
completely irrelevant.
Irabu’s son, why don’t you quell all your angst and send Mo a letter asking him if he loves NY. I’m sure he has no idea what he is doing to you.
Irabu’s son: We don’t even really know for sure that Mo actually said the Yankees were just one of 30 teams do we? Wasn’t that something that was leaked from a source close to a friend of his or something equally questionable like that? And then the first quotes that Mo actually gave reporters after that completely contradicted it. It’s not like we ever heard those words straight from his mouth or anything, can’t always believe secondhand info. and if I had a dollar for every time Mo has said something positive about the Yanks, or that he loves playing in NY, I could afford to go eat at his restaurant.
Besides talk is cheap, it’s not like Mo is Pay-Rod, we don’t need him to repeatedly tell us he loves playing in NY and being a Yankee, after all the times he has already SHOWN us just that.
Rebecca,
If I were you, I would consider working on credentials to teach high school history if you don’t already have them and at the same time apply to doctoral programs in history. You could then choose between the two depending on what happens. The idea of working part time on a doctorate is very iffy. It is easier to get into such programs directly from college and probably works better than waiting. A doctoral program is not more daunting than a master’s program, it is just a longer time commitment. Also consider you are more likely to be eligible for a teaching assistantship and free tuition as a doctoral rather than master’s student.
ps—you may not need better than average GRE scores but I would definitely retake them because most schools only consider your most recent scores.
I would like to experience a sports victory. I am going on the Yankee’s three losses in the ALDS followed by a Cleveland loss in ALCS game 1. Granted we had a tantalizing respite with a few Indians wins, but it was followed by Indian’s 3 consecutive losses in the ALCS and the Rockies 4 consecutive losses to the RS, totally 7 consecutive very frustrating baseball games. Colts lost to the Patriots. Jets lose. Even though I’m not a Giant’s fan, I am a NY sports fan. When are we going to win?
irabu’s son, are you a fat toad or still just a tadpole??
(1) Posada will kick the Mets tires. It will get him an extra year out of the Yankees. It sounds like this is a question of a vested option versus a guaranteed year. If Omar et al give him 5 years, that would be stupid of them, but Jorge would be tempted.
(2) Mo will sign. He also just wants to see what’s out there, and make Cash sweat a bit for not signing him in ST like he wanted.
(3) Pettite may retire. OK. I still think it’s 50-50.
(4) Nobody is giving up Cano, Hughes, Melky for Santana. The Yankees have a decent rotation right now with Joba, Hughes, Kennedy, Wang, and Mussina (yes, even Mussina). Pettite would be icing on the cake.
(5) Get these two done, and then the big question comes: 3B. Let’s see the Angels supposed offer to Underdog. I’m not convinced that this saga is over.
Par M on a previous thread,Lupica’s article mentioned Arod’s deplorable posrseason stats since 2004, 38 runners on base he went 0 for 27. Boras conveniently leaves out those facts,doesn’t he?
”(5) Get these two done, and then the big question comes: 3B. Let’s see the Angels supposed offer to Underdog. I’m not convinced that this saga is over.”
good point.
Rebecca,
I starting out sentences with “dude, guys” your thing?
Peter,
nobody is arguing on behalf of the Steinbrenner’s bottom line. To the contrary, we’re arguing for team flexibility.
Yes, it’s not our money, but it’s our team – we’re the ones who fill up the stadium.
Yes, it’s not our money, but nobody cares that the Steinbrenners and their partners pay Carl Pavano (and perhaps Kei Igawa) for nothing. We care because that money could have been used elsewhere. We care about wasting budget space when another opportunity maybe available. Even the Yankees have a ceiling.
I think we agree. Overpay for Jorge, considering he’s been underpaid in baseball terms, just give us some flexibility with a club option and buyout in the 4th year.
If the Mets sign Jorge, they are still missing the starting pitching that failed them down the stretch. I don’t think they are locks to win the NL with Jorgie.
So he will stay in NY. The question is how much more would the Mets have to offer to get him to Shea?? Since Posada has made it a point to mention them in his 2 interviews. Now whether he is just using them or would really go there is 2 different things..I think he is just using them. I think this will go on for another 2 weeks or so after he gets every last dollar out of the Yanks, which he has every right to do but I do not see him leaving Jeter and also saying how much he likes Girardi for a dollar or 2.. If I was Cash my highest offer would be 4 years/$56m. That is it! There is no way I get into a bidding war with the Mets for a 36 year old catcher. If they want him for lets say $65m then they can have him. Or if he would go there for a dollar over what the Yanks offer then bye.
You can’t compare salaries to regular people. Does your job directly provide your company with millions in revenue? probably not. Did you have to take below market rate at your job for 6 years? probably not.
Mariano treats ytou with respect by playing hard and playing well. that is his end of the bargain. he said plenty of nice things about the yankees after the season. why should be come out with some b.s. statement?
as for A-Rod, I never once said he shouldn’t opt out or pursue the most money. God bless him and anybody else who wants that. my issue was how he conducted himself all season, saying how much he loved New York, etc. Then refusing to even meet with the Steinbrenners.
Peter,
You seem to be overlooking the contribution that teams make toward players from the time that they are drafted or signed as free agents. They invest a lot of money coaching them and while they do, they pay them more than they are worth. Why shouldn’t a player reciprocate that generosity when they become free agents.
It seems like you are opposed to A-Rod squeezing out every last dollar, but you are fine when Posada does it.
Thank You Peter,Arod is a phony!
27for27: Thanks for the advice…unfortunately, the program I’m looking at doesn’t take PhD candidates who don’t already have a Masters, and even then, my GPA barely reaches the minimum.
Carson: It’s a habit, I guess. I don’t really know where it started, seeing as I’ve lived my life on the east coast, but I say dude all the time. Dude, guys, or dude, or dudes and dudettes is a favorite…
I mean, I could go like House and say ‘danglers’ and ‘holies’ but that wouldn’t work out too well, would it
?
Ok weird question that is not trying to imply anything, just a question. Does Jeter have a no trade clause in his contract, or is that just kind of a given because he’s Jeter? It would be kind of interesting to know…
“as for A-Rod, I never once said he shouldn’t opt out or pursue the most money. God bless him and anybody else who wants that.”
sure. but posting that picture of a-rod with the caption “you pay, i play” is basically the same as throwing a raw steak to a pack of wild dogs.
that picture implied a thousand words about how you feel about a-rod going to for the money.
i don’t have a problem with your reporting, i really don’t, but there is a little inconsistency in your comments now.
Andrea,
Jeter has five and ten rights which allow him to veto any trade.
“Ok weird question that is not trying to imply anything, just a question. Does Jeter have a no trade clause in his contract, or is that just kind of a given because he’s Jeter”
not sure about the actual contract, but he has 10-5 rights, so he can’t be traded without his consent.
Derek Jeter ss
10 years/$189M (2001-10)
* $16M signing bonus (paid in 16 $1M installments 1/30 & 6/30, 2001-08)
* 01:$11M, 02:$13M, 03:$14M, 04:$17M, 05:$18M, 06:$19M, 07-09:$20M/year, 10:$21M
* no-trade clause
* signed extension 2/01, avoided arbitration ($18.5M-$14.25M)
* 1 year/$10M (2000), avoided arbitration 2/00 ($10.5M-$9.5)
o replaced tentative deal for 7 years/$118.5M (2000-06)
* 1 year/$5M (1999), won arbitration 2/99 ($5M-$3.2M)
* 1 year/$0.75M (1998)
o renewed 3/98
* 1 year/$0.55M (1997)
o renewed 3/97 (later given more than minimum renewal)
* 1 year/$0.13M (1996)
* drafted 1992 (1-6), $0.8M signing bonus (Kalamazoo (MI) HS)
* agent: Casey Close
* ML service: 11.043
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/
Pete
Do you think we will see Underdog in a Yankee uniform at 3B when all is said and done?
The Yankees and ARod appear made for each other, however dysfunctional that may be for both of them.
ARod deserves the abuse he is taking over the opt out episode—he could have handled it better.
ARod wants to know his true market worth. He was likely instructed by Boras not to meet with the Steinbrenners, since such a meeting would result in an extension offer which may or may not be his true worth.
He could have returned Cash’s call and told him this. That is the part I don’t understand.
Jeter owes that contract to A-Rod and Tom Hicks.
Wow! You guys are on top of this!
I don’t know what makes me think of weird stuff. I just do.
cash:
sign mo and po
these guys are the heart and soul of the team
overpay them… show them the love you showed pavano and giambi and igawa, for instance, who produce nada
with mo and po we get andy
then go get a decent 3rd baseman
i’ll take my chances then with the pitching staff we’ve got
don’t trade the young guys and our future
that’s my 2 cents
Mo and Po have the right to explore the market and maximize thier value.
At the same time, Yanks have the right to stop at some point and say it is too much they want and decide to go in a different direction.
It is a free world folks.
To Pete and others who think that Mets have a better chance than Yanks to go to WS, my question is what are you smoking? Obvioulsy, things will change with the moves the teams will make during the off-season, but as it stands today, with horrible pitching Mets have, they have a better shot? Common, wake up!!!!
”
“For a hundred years the owners screwed the players. For 25 years
the players have screwed the owners – they’ve got 75 years to go.” – Yankees pitcher Jim Bouton ”
BEST. QUOTE. EVER.
hmmm said:
“They’re now actively negotiating for a new contract and keeping conversation open with Cash (i.e., unlike Arod).â€
i’m pretty sure it’s the yankees who are not allowing any conversation with a-rod, not the other way around.”
That’s not true. Arod wouldn’t return Cash and Steins’ calls and refused to listen to Yankees’ offer. Sure he’s ready to negotiate now but that’s after costing $31mill of the Texas money and I suspect he only wants to use the Yanks to hike up other offers. That’s completely different than what Mo and Po are doing as fair free agents. Also Mo and Po both wanted to sign back in the spring.
Irabu’s Son –
I feel that you’re only trying to extend your honest opinions here to which you are entited so I’ll be reasonable with you in return. I think we’ll all drive ourselves crazy and it’ll be a lost cause if we ever compare what these players make to what we all make in salary. Of course Mo makes more than 99.999% of us here as you said. All pro athletes do. It’s demand and supply, they are rare people with extraordinary talents. We need to recognize that, accept it and move on.
and when you said “I am not asking you to give the Yankees a discount. I am asking that you give the team and fans some respect.”
I never feel disrespected by Mo now that he’s trying to negotiate for the most he can get. He’s my favorite Yankee, he’s the best closer in history of the game, he’s always given the team and the fans 100%, and for MLB standard, he’s not making that much. I want him to make more. After 12 years and now into his final contract, I’m excited for him that he’s finally in a position to ask for all that he’s worth.
Speaking of Igawa—he wasn’t in the 2007 team photo. Pavano was, Igawa was not.
BBFan I think Pete was saying if Mo and Pasada went to the mets ,they would be in better contention for the WS, than the yankees,without them no way.
What Jim Bouton fails to acknowledge is that the pendulum has now swung too far in the other direction.
Time is a lot more compressed now.
whoa: exactly what I was about tosay.
Uh, guys, I just saw this from Cot’s:
Chien-Ming Wang p
1 year/$489,500 (2007)
* renewed 3/07 after choosing not to re-sign for $514,050
* 1 year/$353,175 (2006)
* signed 2000 as undrafted free agent from Taiwan, $1.9M signing bonus
* agent: CSMG
The Wanger turned down more money? What am I missing here?
* ML service: 1.159
Catya,
That is not what was said. Please check.
Even if Po goes to Mets, that does not change the equation. Po is not a pitcher. Mets do not need MO. They have a closer already.
“To Pete and others who think that Mets have a better chance than Yanks to go to WS, my question is what are you smoking?”
i don’t know, it’s a legitimate point. it is not the same thing as saying the Mets are better than the Yankees, b/c i don’t think they are.
but the Mets probably have a better chance to make it to the WS if they make it to the playoffs.
the fact is that most of the best teams are in the AL at this point.
to get to the WS, the yankees would have had to beat the Indians and Red Sox, 2 teams easily better than anyone in the NL.
the yankes, red sox, tigers, indians, and angels were all better than anyone in the NL. the Blue Jays, Twins, Mariners, and maybe the A’s could all compete in the NL.
that is what Pete meant.
BBFan ,didn’t say that’s what was said.I said what I thought Pete meant,please reread what I said.
BBFan: thank you.
I agree with Pete’s logic that the players should get their share of the revenue. After all, without the players there is no major league baseball,
The problem people have with ARod is that he not only wants his share,but the equivalent of almost half an average team’s payroll . ARod is an exceptional player, but it’s not fair to the owners or his teamates that he demands to be paid so much that it hamstrings the team.
The Yankees, of course, could afford him. It’s bad enough that he lied to the fans and media about wanting to play here. But his greed also allienates him with his teamates.
“That’s not true. Arod wouldn’t return Cash and Steins’ calls and refused to listen to Yankees’ offer.”
is posada going to sign before Tuesday when he can listen to what other teams are offering?
no.
that was my only point.
the yankees were trying to prevent A-Rod the same luxury they are allowing Posada: to hear what other teams are offering.
as long as a-rod was willing to acknowledge that the yankees’ next offer would adjust for the Texas money, then there is no reason to cut off the negotiations.
if the situations were truly the same, the yankees would be telling Posada that if he doesn’t sign before Tuesday, he can’t come back.
after all, once Posada “opts out” by taking offers from the Mets, it will surely cost the Yankees more money, analagous to losing the Texas money.
in both situations the yankees are trying to exploit imperfect information by not allowing the player to determine market value. the difference is that they are not slamming the door on Posada.
i am not even saying the Yankee SHOULD have opened the vault and met Boras’ demands. i don’t know if they should have, that depends on how much he eventually signs for. but some people are simply taking A-Rod’s decision WAY too personally.
I am not sure Pete has been inconsistent, certainly not in his Journal reporting. But on the blog I think he comes right up to the line.
A-Rod started the whole mess by not talking to people (Boras advice no doubt) so now the Yanks ain’t talking back. I like that.
But I really would not be surprised to see him in Pinstripes next season.
I may be off in left field but don’t you think that it would be better to go with a proven winning pitcher who will most likely win a post season game for you instead of 3 rookies who may not pan out? Now listen, Hughes looks good but he had hickups this year due to the injury or maybe due to something else. We will not know for sure until a full season under his belt. Joba may be a good reliever but we really don’t know how he will be as a started. He was great but he didn’t have to face the lineup a second time, therefore not adjustments from the hitters. He may be just as good a starter as he was this past year but you never know. Kennedy, I just don’t know because he didn’t pitch alot. I know that if they do well then it will turn out OK but if they don’t, will we all be kicking ourselves that the trade was never done. What I am saying is that at least you know what you are getting with Santana. There are too many questions about the long term future of the kids. Remember that Moose would be the only vet in the rotation because Wang is still a kid to some degree.
“ARod is an exceptional player, but it’s not fair to the owners or his teamates that he demands to be paid so much that it hamstrings the team. ”
this doesn’t really make sense.
he can only “demand” what someone consents to pay him.
there is nothing fair or unfair about it. the owners have to willingly agree to pay him.
if they are foolish enough to pay him so much that it hamstrings their team, that is not really a-rod’s fault. no one is putting a gun to their heads.
also, paying A-Rod $25M to be the best player in MLB all 3 years did NOT hamstring the Rangers. paying Chan Ho Park $14M a year to be horrible is what hamstrung the Rangers.
hmmm,
If ARod’s salary doesnt hamstring teams, then why arent more teams trying to buy him?
Hmmm –
If Jorge doesn’t sign until he hears other teams’ offers after Tuesday, I’m completely fine with that. Same as I would have been ok if Arod listened to Yankees’ offer, waited 9 days after the WS to think things over, decided he could get more elsewhere, then opt out. I would have been fine with that too.
You’re right, I admit with Arod it’s personal. But that’s b/c he makes it personal. Not returning calls, saying he wants to stay but not even giving us a chance to make an offer, opting out on the 1st day… I don’t want to dwell on Arod anymore but as many have already said, it’s not the opt out, it’s the way he did it. HE makes it personal.
And speaking of personal, Jorge and Mo have been loyal Yankees for 12 years. They have earned our good wills. Arod didn’t.
“What I am saying is that at least you know what you are getting with Santana. There are too many questions about the long term future of the kids”
if you believe this you will NEVER be willing to play young talent and will ALWAYS want to trade young talent for veterans b/c you fear the unknown.
that’s no way to go through life.
at some point you have to trust the people who evalutate your talent and go to the mat with your own talent.
this same attitude would have lead to trading Jeter in 1996 for an established SS.
i’m not saying i don’t want the yankees to trade for Johan, but at some point you have to accept that the consequences of failure, not making the playoffs for a year, are NOT that bad. the potential payoff is worth the risks.
Rebecca,
Re: Wang, the Yankees probably tried to get Wang to sign a multi-year deal for 500k or so during spring training that would take him into his arbitration years, and he obviously refused, seeing how he could get much more in arbitration.
the thought of a-rod back in the bronx is too awful to contemplate
sure he’s entitled to get the most money he can from anyone stupid enough to pay it
but telling your employer to swallow $21 million and treating that employer and your teamates and fans like a-rod and boras have is a bit much to choke down
go to l.a.
play for joe
maybe joe can screw with his head and bat him 8th on opening day
another league
another time zone
out of sight
out of mind
“If ARod’s salary doesnt hamstring teams, then why arent more teams trying to buy him?”
they WILL try to buy him. as soon as his price comes down.
if the price he is asking now will hamstring their team, they WON’T try to buy him.
pretty simple.
but it’s not “unfair to the owners” that he is asking a high price. they simply can refuse to pay it.
fairness has nothing to do with it.
But dylan, if AFraud goes to LA we might never get to “greet” him at the Stadium like he deserves.
Id take Mora for 3B next yr…he always hits the Yankees well especially Pavano!!(hit on right side of head by Melvin Mora 4-10-05)
Nice to see that Jorge will be back,Id say 80 percent yes!
Mariano Id say 75 percent yes!
Cano and S.Duncan for Johan…....yes
“Same as I would have been ok if Arod listened to Yankees’ offer, waited 9 days after the WS to think things over, decided he could get more elsewhere, then opt out. I would have been fine with that too. ”
no, i doubt you would have. there would have been 10,000 posts on this very blog accusing A-Rod of “leading the yankees on” and “using the yankees’ offer to shop around for more money”.
if a-rod gave yankee fans hope for 9 days than opted out, the reactions would have been just as bad.
i don’t get why anyone cares if he opts out on the 9th day or the 1st day. the net effect is the same. he opted out.
why should he give the appearance of being interested in an offer from the yankees if he really wasn’t?? isn’t that “phoney”?
PK:
Aah, okay. That explains a lot.
“the thought of a-rod back in the bronx is too awful to contemplate”
Not for me it’s not. Not at a fair price, and with whatever PR they need to use to make it palatable.
If he re-signs, and has a great year, no one will care that he opted out.
The Mets aren’t closer to the WS than the Yanks. That’s silly.
And the Yanks aren’t trading Hughes, so people can stop putting him in their trade ideas.
Pete or anyone out there
Do you know when A-Fraud has to accept or reject the Yankees offer of arbitration????
Is there a date we can circle on our calenders???
My first circled date is NOV 20Th for Carl Pavanos release!!!
I admit I do take AFraud too personally. As someone who defended him in times where he wasnt easy to defend, I feel betrayed. I saw him play in over 60 games in his Yankee career and never once booed him. But I was stupid enough to believe his lying a when he said he enjoyed playing here and how much the unifom meant. The Yankees offer would have been a new mlb salary record. The reason he opted out was greed, nothing but greed.
Phil—The Mets are not closer to winning the WS than the Yankees, but in the Not-As-Good League, they might very well be closer to being league champions than the Yankees.
We’ve got the Red Sox, Indians, Angels.
They’ve got….
The Rockies.
Since the Twins are looking for hitting they’ll probably likely ask the Yankees for Cano,Tabata and Melky for Santana who knows maybe even more. Cashman needs his head examined if he does that deal.
And I don’t like the idea of paying twice. Giving them big prospects and giving Santana big money, that’s alot.
They’re not trading Cano either.
drive 4-5
we’ll see a-rod at the all-star game at yankee stadium
we’ll give him a nice bronx cheer
and “fairness” has nothing to do with a-rod’s antics
but what about ethics?
he wants to see what mo, po and andy are doing
he announces his opt out during the final game of the world series
boras claims collusion at the g.m. meeting
boras wonders why the yankees won’t talk to them
it goes on and on
the circus MUST leave town so we can focus on the TEAM not on A-ROT
and his wife with her lovely t-shirt
can people think before they say trade Cano for Santana jesus !! calm the F down w/ those deals, we need Cano this coming season big time and he has value here in NY.
man what an effin’ night
Pete
If ARod had called Hank back and said I appreciate you wanting me. I love NY and want to stay a Yankee but opting out is something that you knew was a possibility when you picked up my contract in 2004 and you agreed to the contract knowing that. Would the Yankees be negotiating with him now? Cashman already said repeatedly that wasn’t happening. Not returning the phone call was poor etiquette but it wasn’t changing the outcome as far as the Yankees were concerned. I’m guessing that in the absence of the ultimatum, the call would have been returned whether he truly loved NY or was using them to up an offer elsewhere..
Eating the $21M for A-Rod over an 8 year period of time is less than $3M a year. Factoring in that they already got a player for $5 or $6M less than the highest paid player on the team for the last 4 years tells me the $21M wasn’t enough of a justification from a business perspective for not negotiating. Without the Texas money, the contract was basically a backloaded 12 year deal (2004-2013); at $30M for the last 8 years that works out to about $25M per. A touch more than Giambi and Jeter money.
The only thing the Yankees got from the way A-Rod’s opted out was a good PR spin that they wouldn’t have gotten if he had called Hank and said what I wrote above.
Rebecca, the Mets also have the Phillies and any number of teams they couldn’t beat when they had to to secure a post season birth. Their pitching is not too good and they have a bad farm system right now.
Time to dust off that ol #45 from the hanger….cuz Phil Franchise might be wearing it in 2008 (unless he stays with #65)He isnt going anywheres guys…Kennedy maybe…Joba and Phil no way!!!
“The Yankees offer would have been a new mlb salary record.”
except the yankees never actually made an offer. you are going by a rumor.
we have NO IDEA what the offer was. no idea.
the numbers that were in that ESPN article were nothing more than the author’s guess.
is it possible the yankees WANT you to think they were going to offer Alex a huge extension?
b/c it seems to have worked.
Utility Man
December 7th
What does yankees need?
Jorge,Mo,Pettite,bullpen pitcher and 3rd basemen.Forget about A-rod we do not need someone just eyes on $$$.
everyone eyes $$$ don’t fall into that love for the game BS
Hmmm –
I’m sick of Arod talk and last thing I want is to talk in circle with you about him. But for the record, yes I would have been ok if he at least returned calls and listened to Cash’s offer first before opting out. I understand this is a business and please don’t try to read my mind.
In anycase it’s apples and oranges to suggest that Arod and Mo/Po should have been treated the same way by the Yankees. Mo and Po are 12-yr career yankees who have 4 rings. Arod is a nomad who’s f*ked up every team relationships he’s ever had. Like I said, You were right when you said some of us are too personal in how we’re treating Arod but he brought it upon himself.
wow ! on the MLB forum the Yankees are about to land Ben Sheets
My understanding is that teams have to offer arbitration by Dec 1 and then the player has 7 days to accept or reject. I have NOT read anywhere that the Yankees have offered just that they will according to Cash
Just because someone puts in their post trading Cano to the Twins,doesnt mean its going to happen.Its called an opinion,do I think Cano would be traded to the Twins???No most likely not.Most people are responding to a post earlier today from someone that said the Twins would be interested in trading Santana and Cano would probably be the centerpiece.Chances of it happening—-not likely.
“but what about ethics?
he wants to see what mo, po and andy are doing
he announces his opt out during the final game of the world series
boras claims collusion at the g.m. meeting
boras wonders why the yankees won’t talk to them
it goes on and on”
i’m failing to see how any of these are unethical.
also, the owners basically admitted to and paid restitution for colluding as recent as 4 years ago. so let’s not pretend that the idea of collusion is impossible.
brandon-
can you post a link to the note.
Sylvia
If it wasn’t about the money, no players would need agents. There’s a name for guys who play baseball for the love of the game. Career minor leaguers.
Irabu’s son: We don’t even really know for sure that Mo actually said the Yankees were just one of 30 teams do we? Wasn’t that something that was leaked from a source close to a friend of his or something equally questionable like that? And then the first quotes that Mo actually gave reporters after that completely contradicted it. It’s not like we ever heard those words straight from his mouth or anything, can’t always believe secondhand info. and if I had a dollar for every time Mo has said something positive about the Yanks, or that he loves playing in NY, I could afford to go eat at his restaurant.
BBB,
Not only did Mo say now it will be 30 teams, he said it on Yes and it was in every NY paper. It was said in late August or early September and it was originally said when the Yankees refused to discuss the contract in spring training. Mo has said this right from the beginning once Cashman refused to negotiate with him. Mo was annoyed when it happened and did say this.
It’s only a bargaining ploy anyway but if Mo could get a massive contract elsewhere, do you honestly think he won’t at the very least look into it ? He’d be a fool not to as would any other player including Posada.
Thank You gayle
I heard the samething…just that the Yankees will offer arbitration when they have to…just wasnt sure how long he has to decide…Thanks Again
please let’s not be trading melky or cano
especially not cano
“In anycase it’s apples and oranges to suggest that Arod and Mo/Po should have been treated the same way by the Yankees. Mo and Po are 12-yr career yankees who have 4 rings.”
and it’s apples and oranges to suggest that A-Rod should treat the Yankees the same as Mo and Po.
correct?
Brandon: wha?!
Ben Sheets could be good, could be Pavano lite.
Chris Capuano? Didn’t he lose like 18 starts in a row?
hmmm,
So you’re calling Brian Cashman a liar? Cash said the Yanks were preparing a substantial offer and certainly wanted Arod back.
I guess Bill Madden is part of a grand conspiracy as well.
“On top of the $91 million owed to A-Rod in the final years of his existing contract (salaries, through elevator kick-ins, of $32, $32 and $27 million), the Yankees were prepared to initially offer a five-year extension at $29 million a year for a total of $236 million. Knowing that Boras was going to demand the contract extend for 10 years, they were then prepared to go an extra two years for $58 million more, especially because, with the DH, they could afford Rodriguez a place in the lineup to chase the home run record.
The Yankees were originally hoping to hold the annual average value of the deal to $28 million, but as it was revealed last week, under the terms of A-Rod’s contract he was entitled to $9 million of the $30 million subsidy the Texas Rangers were giving the Yankees – money the Rangers are still on the hook for. Thus, the total package A-Rod never was allowed to be offered – but nonetheless walked away from – came to $294 million.”
brandon
Any mention of who the Yanks are parting with to acquire Sheets?
big different btwn Chris Capuano & Sheets.
Who do the yankees give up in return, Giambi?
not yet ..I’m waiting for that part.
Capuano is from my hometown, Springfield MA, so I’d be happy to see him in pinstripes(even though he did lose an absurd amount of games this season).
The deal would seem to have the Yankees sending someone to Tampa…maybe Melky? Ugh, I would not want that!
If he walked on $294 then certainly Boras had a tacit agreement w/ some other club…..tampering…..... $294 and he passed….......WTF??!!!!!!!!!!!
Who do the Yanks give up in this unusual scenario and why couldn’t TB just send Crawford and something and get Sheets themselves? Why do they need us?
No I don’t expect Arod to treat the Yankees the same as Mo and Po do. Mo and Po have known Cashman a long time. Po and his wife apparently had lunch with Cash just the other day to talk contract. I never expect Arod and Crod to do that.
But I do expect decency and manners. And I expect respecting the game of baseball ie. not opting out during the WS. We’ve been thru the no return calls, I love NY blah blah blah a million times. What I’m trying to say is YES it IS personal, and YES, we don’t cut Arod the same slack we do Mo and Po b/c Arod hasn’t earned it. Far from it.
hmmmm
almost every move a-rod and boras have ever made are ethically questionable
they hate him in seattle, texas, toronto, boston and now n.y.
the slap at arroyo
the “ha!” against toronto
you name it
he’s a bush leaguer.. who happens to be one of the most talented players ever.. who’s a jerk and will never play on a world series winner
Why would the Yankees be interested in Chris Capuano?
dontfirecash,
I from the Berkshires myself.
it’s not “ethically questionable” to opt out, or to demand a lot of money which is what they have every right to do. What’s crazy is the $$$ amounts being thrown around by both player and management. Thats what is disturbing
Phil, Ben Sheets is making MONEY. That’s why they don’t try to get him (Rays) for themselves.
..and the Rays need pitching..and a catcher…...and a shortstop….....
Rays dont want to pay Sheets
I dont want to trade Melky to the Rays either…besides dont they have like 6 outfielders anyway???
Arod doesn’t owe the Yankees anything.
Boras more than likely told him not to reply to anyone as to not get into a possibility of Arod folding under pressure, which he’s known for or saying the wrong thing.
Just because it was Hank and Cashman, means nothing more than a GM and owner trying to make a deal with him. Arod is in the position of power with nothing to lose in this. He will get a deal from someone for what he wants. It’s for the best anyway.
Just because the fans are upset, that doesn’t mean Arod has to to anything. No one knows why Arod really wants to be elsewhere, aside from and not only because of the money. He may just want away from the NY Yankees all together. It’s his choice.
You may not like it but that’s the way of the world and his right to opt out when he chooses.
“I want to stay with the Yankees†says Posada… Isn’t that what A-rod and Torre said?
Jax
good point, but they have so much money from the haves, that they might consider putting some of it into the team before the big boys get mad and contract them.
it’s on MLBTRADERUMORS.COM and Gotham Baseball’s site Mark Healey is a very good insider source so this may definitely have legs.
People remember the Yankees are trying to get Santana who knows what they’ll do to sweeten a pot or if they look elsewhere for an ACE.
I’m off to bed. I’m gonna say a prayer that the Yankees don’t trade fellow Mass. native Chris Capuano. He stinks!
The Yankees have been masterful in their approach to the A-Rod mess so far. The whole “if you opt out you are gone” ultimatum has worked out well. A-Rod’s rep is in the toilet for the time being, and probably for some time to come.
There was no reason that A-Rod should not have been allowed to test the FA market. The Texas money is not chump change but it is nothing compared to (as has been stated ad nauseum) the Pavano money, the Igawa posting fee, etc. But the Yanks made it seem like he was ungrateful for opting out. Well played.
I do not think that CashMoney will let him sign elsewhere if the deal he is attempting to sign makes sense to the Yankees as well. At least the front office should start a conversation at that point.
“BBB,
Not only did Mo say now it will be 30 teams, he said it on Yes and it was in every NY paper. It was said in late August or early September and it was originally said when the Yankees refused to discuss the contract in spring training. ”
OK wait, now I’m confused. I thought the “now it will be 30 teams” comment wasn’t made until after Torre turned down the offer to return. Can someone clarify?
Either way though, I agree that it’s all probably a bargaining ploy, but that’s part of the business of baseball, Mo and Po both have every right to listen to other offers to try and get more from the Yankees…what I take exception with is the OP’s comment that this somehow translates into Mo disrespecting the Yanks. I don’t see how!
“he’s a bush leaguer.. who happens to be one of the most talented players ever.. who’s a jerk and will never play on a world series winner”
yes, he probably is a jerk.
but i don’t think you understand what the word “ethical” means.
i don’t see how slapping a ball in the heat of competition has anything to do with ethics. at all.
bending the rules during a game has nothing to do with ethics.
I dont want to trade Melky to the Rays either…besides dont they have like 6 outfielders anyway???
w/ Action Jackson not too far away and Bret Gardner right around the corner it wouldn’t be all that bad. Oh and Jose Tabata
“it’s on MLBTRADERUMORS.COM and Gotham Baseball’s site Mark Healey is a very good insider source so this may definitely have legs.”
oh, for a minute there i thought you meant this was a real.
mlbtraderumors.com?
let me know when that Ian Kennedy for Mike Gonzalez trade goes through.
I’d agree with you Vinny except every public statement the lyin so and so made was contrary to his eventual actions. His name isn’t AFraud for nothing.
Hey, Pete, can you shed any like on this Sheets trade rumor? Who would the Yankees have to give up? This is very a intriguing development!
hmmmm
wasn’t it Melky for Mike Gonzalez last year?
The Rays can easily be a contender in the AL east if they ever spent money. They try to have every single player on their roster from the system and hope that they turn out to be good players and then they try to trade them when it’s time to pay them. Kazmir will probably be on the block if not this off-season next one.
This is what I found on mlbtraderumors as of now re: Crawford/Sheets/Capuano…under “Brewers rumors.”
“Finally, Gotham Baseball reports on the Brewers’ serious interest in Carl Crawford. The Dev… sorry, The Rays obviously have no interest in trade pieces Ben Sheets or Chris Capuano, both too “pricey”, says Healey. Meanwhile, the Yanks have reportedly expressed interest in both, so the Brewers and Rays will be trying to get the Yankees involved. If nothing else, this is a fun one to imagine.”
I can dig the interest in Ben Sheets, but what on God’s good green earth would the Yanks want with Capuano? If he can’t win games in the NL Central, is he really for us?
40-man roster question for a rules expert.
When a player is placed on the DL, doesn’t that open a spot for another player?
The front office says they’re going to DFA Pavano because they “need” his roster spot.
dammit where the hell is Pete
“So you’re calling Brian Cashman a liar? Cash said the Yanks were preparing a substantial offer and certainly wanted Arod back.”
nope, not calling anyone a liar, but i don’t believe this for a minute:
“Knowing that Boras was going to demand the contract extend for 10 years, they were then prepared to go an extra two years for $58 million more”
no way.
you really think the yankees were prepared to offer A-Rod 10 years, $294M??
you really think Cashman was prepared to pay A-Rod $30M a year when he is 40, 41, and 42?
does that pass the smell test to you?
would the Yankees really let A-Rod walk over $21M on a 10 year contract? doubtful. if that was really their offer, then wouldn’t they still be offering 10 years, $273M?
that might still get it done, wouldn’t it?
we’ll know in a month or so.
if A-Rod signs for much less than this, we’ll know this was basically BS b/c it would mean Boras made a HUGE miscalculation. and that doesn’t really happen very often.
Melky won’t get Sheets (and Capuano). There would have to be more to the deal. If not, I would trade Melky for Crawford straight up. Why would Tampa do that?
Here’s the link to the Sheets-Crawford thread.
http://gothambaseballmagazine.com/forums/index.php?topic=431.0
Capuano was damn good in 2006, but he was absolutely terrible in ‘07. He could be a good candidate for a rebound year, but I don’t really see the Yanks being that interested in him or the oft injured Sheets.
Drive 4-5,
Ever think Arod said he loves NY the city and not the Yankees ? He never clarified that statement. Maybe he really wanted to stay but Boras talked him out of it.
It is possible.
Tough to say he’s lying, he may have wanted to stay at that time or until Boras showed him what he could make elsewhere after their initial meetings in California.
In any event, what did anyone think he would say, “I hate the Yankees and want to move on.” He couldn’t tip his hand at that time when Boras was starting to pull the strings. And Boras should be blamed for the announcement during the WS but that’s what Boras does, stirs the pot to keep his client in view. We make not like it but worse things have happened.
It’s business not personal, especially when big stakes are in play. Grey areas are what agents make a living on.
The only way Pavano gets dfa’d is if the Yankees don’t have enough slots on the forty man roster to protect their eligible youngsters from the rule 5 draft in December. That doesn’t seem necessary, considering that the existing free agents don’t count towards the forty (Clemens, Pettitte, etc.), and there is some deadwood to be let go anyway. Team insurance may not apply if Pavano is released, and he has to get paid in any situation.
Players on the 60 day DL can have their spots taken on the 40 man roster. In the offseason, all players on the 60 day DL go back to the 40 and you can still only protect 40 players at that time.
“hmmmm
wasn’t it Melky for Mike Gonzalez last year?”
here is the original rumor:
“A baseball source indicated to MLBTradeRumors.com that the Yankees and Pirates are working on a trade that could be Mike Gonzalez and Nate McLouth for Ian Kennedy and Melky Cabrera. This is backed up by our good friend Jake at Bucco Blog, where Gonzalez, Kennedy, and Cabrera were mentioned in a recent podcast.”
Isnt Mike Gonzalez on the Braves???
I remember the rumor last winter about Melky to the Pirates for Gonzalez…but he got traded to Atlanta for LaRoche.
Why would the Yankees make such a deal wit the Pirates?
Gonzalez was/ is damaged goods. McLouth is not significantly better than Melky and is older. Kennedy is too good a prospect to trade for a pig and a poke.
Only if the player is on the 60 day DL does he come off of the 40 man roster.
Cashman’s shortsightedness will be responsible for the situation. His hisitation to sign Posada and Rivera before this season has shown how “cash efficient” this GM is.
Sarcastically, he seems to be accustomed to waste on pitchers such as Kevin Brown, Carl Pavano, Igawa and even Big Unit. Shame!
Last Week the Yankees re-instated Humberto Sanchez,Darrell Rasner,Carl Pavano from the 60Day DL.
Previous poster was right..teams have to have all players on 40 Man roster by the time Rule 5 draft comes around.
Thats how the Yankees got Josh Phelps from the Orioles last winter,he wasnt protected after get picked up from Tigers AAA team.
“Cashman’s shortsightedness will be responsible for the situation. His hisitation to sign Posada and Rivera before this season has shown how “cash efficient†this GM is.
Sarcastically, he seems to be accustomed to waste on pitchers such as Kevin Brown, Carl Pavano, Igawa and even Big Unit. Shame!”
Cash was right not to sign Mo after he came off a season of injury. In fact, if anything, Mo showed this season that while still good, he has begun to decline.
He couldn’t sign Posada and not sign Rivera, so he had no choice but to wait.
Cashman did not make the trade for RJ, he wanted Beltran.
The reason he signed Pavano, who every team in MLB wanted, along with Brown, is that the farm system, that he had no conrol over until 2005, wasn’t producing pitchers.
Since 2005, we are now stocked with young pitchers.
I can’t defend the Igawa thing.
Carry on.
Torre ran into Pavano at a wedding and started lobbying for him. Pavano had higher bids, but came to the Yanks to do his goldbricking.
“Gonzalez was/ is damaged goods. McLouth is not significantly better than Melky and is older. Kennedy is too good a prospect to trade for a pig and a poke.”
right, that was my point. that was a rumor from that site last winter.
we should consider that when deciding if this Sheets/Crawford rumor has any validity.
i would say it doesn’t have much.
“Cashman’s shortsightedness will be responsible for the situation. His hisitation to sign Posada and Rivera before this season has shown how “cash efficient†this GM is.”
and if Posada got hurt, he’d look like a genius.
armchair GMing is so easy when you have 20-20 hindsight.
Who, Rivera did not have “a season of injury” in 2006. He had a slight forearm strain, and was DL’d from 1-21 September, although he was ready to go in less than two weeks. In his final tuneups for the post seasom, 4 games, 4 innings, 4 hits, 0 runs, 6 strikeouts, and one inning in the playoffs.. 1 inning, 1 hit. Hardly an injury riddled season, with 34 saves and an ERA of 1.80.
do you realize how citing the fact that he was only injured in “September” of last year makes the Yanks’ point?
Yes, please resign with the Yankees. I don’t want him in Queens!1
Yeah lets trade our whole farm system for 1 hitter. The Marlins are obviously thinking big but sorry Cash isn’t that stupid. (from si.com)
Specifically from the Yankees, it is believed the Marlins seek either Chamberlain or Hughes, plus outfielder Melky Cabrera, outfield prospect Jose Tabata and a fourth prospect. Meanwhile, the Yankees are telling people they would not consider parting with their two best pitching prospects in a deal for anyone other than Minnesota Twins ace Johan Santana.
DO NOT trade Hughes or Joba for ANYONE!
The day Cash trades Joba or Phil is the day I call for his head on a gold platter.
The day Cash trades Ian or Melky I’ll settle for silver, but only just.
Mike Francesa on Miked-up is saying he thinks Yanks will go to around 4/$58M for Jorge and 3/$45M for Mariano. I’ll be glad when they are back but that sounds a little high to me.
Peter,
I think you’re really stretching it when you allege that you haven’t bashed ARod for opting out and seeking more money, but I’m not about to go looking for quotes to dispute it, so I’ll give you that one. However, when you say you’re only criticizing him for what he’s said all year and for not talking to the Steinbrenners, I think that’s just another example of your lack of objectivity on the subject of ARod. He never once said this year that he wouldn’t opt out. He was