BBWAA awards to be announced
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 12, 2007 
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The annual BBWAA awards will be announced starting today and running through next week. Here is the schedule:
Today: Jackie Robinson AL and NL Rookie of the Year Awards
Tuesday: AL Cy Young Award
Wednesday: AL and NL Manager of the Year Awards
Thursday: NL Cy Young Award
Monday, Nov. 19: AL Most Valuable Player Award
Tuesday, Nov. 20: NL Most Valuable Player Award
How it works: Votes had to be made by the end of the regular season. Playoffs games are not part of the process. Every AL and NL city has two votes with the electors chosen from the ranks of the BBWAA members in those cities or national baseball writers.
You rank three players, except for MVP when you rank 10.
My vote this season for for AL Rookie of the Year. Since the voting his about to be announced, I can tell you that I voted for Dustin Pedroia (Boston), Delmon Young (Tampa Bay) and Brian Bannister (Kansas City).
There is a conference call with the winner. It will be interesting to see whether A-Rod goes on his call. Given that he blew off Hank Aaron when he received the Hank Aaron Award, I would say the odds are against it.
You will just be able to add the BBWA to the list of people Arod will need to return calls from as I am sure someone calls him to let him know he has won.
Hank, Hal, Cash, Torre, Cano, Damon, BBWA
Winter is flying by… Awards already, then winter meetings! The next thing you know, Tampa Time!
Dude, guys, do you all realize it’s less than 90 days before 14 February?
Dang, I can’t WAIT for Valentine’s Day!
(Also, if anyone else has a question about my fanhood, please, by all means, ask away…)
Pete
Who decides which NY writer gets to vote on which category? In smaller markets do the same writers vote on more than 1 award?
OK, I’ll bite… whats the big deal about Valentine’s day?
Peter:
Does the BBWAA pay a fee to each awardee for their appearance on the Conference Call?
If not, count ARod out!
yeah, its was pretty sad rebecca, pay no attention to that stuff. you rule
MoPoRo, I think pitchers and catchers report on Valentines Day.
My favorite holiday too.
“OK, I’ll bite… whats the big deal about Valentine’s day?”
My guess is that Spring Training begins on or about February 14.
As for ROY, I expect Male Pattern Baldness to win the award over Delmon Young.
I also expect people to look back and laugh at that in a few years when Young is a perennial All-Star and MPB is a slightly above average 2nd baseman….with a really dirty uniform.
oh and also, Lord help us all if Ryan Braun wins NL ROY over Tulowitzki. Does defense mean NOTHING anymore?
I’d rather have Lloyd Braun at 3b than Ryan Braun, I honestly believe he’d make fewer errors. SERENITY NOW!
The AL Rookie of the Year voting will really prove how Matsuzaka’s regular season did not go as expected. Many experts before the season thought that he would be a shoo-in for Rookie of the Year and a legitimate Cy Young candidate. It’s really a testament of how much tougher that it is to pitch in this league as opposed to Japan.
“(Also, if anyone else has a question about my fanhood, please, by all means, ask away…)”
how many yankee bobble-head dolls do you have? which players? if none, why not?
alright Pete LOL… now that was a good one
ARod won’t talk to the media until he signs a new deal. He must be getting very nervous as the Angels seem to want Cabrera
I personally have 0 bobble heads. Quite frankly they freak me out. Anyone else with me?
Andrea: bobbleheads are waaay scarier than clowns. I, too, avoid them at all costs….but I might make an exception for T-Clip Bobblehead Night!
So now A-Rod blew off Henry Aaron? Come on Pete. Has every winner of the Henry Aaron Award been there and received it in person? This stuff with A-Rod gets so blown out of proportion. I can’t count how many times I’ve seen guys not be there when an award is presented, but since it’s A-Rod it’s big news.
I’m not going to lie and say that A-Rod hasn’t appeared like a total jerk through all of this, but now everything written about the guy is taking a shot at him. I don’t think he’s even uttered a public word since the last day of the Yankees season, but everybody seems to know what he’s thinking.
Guthrie deserved a vote over delmon young
Boras is having ARod’s animatronics replaced and he won’t be fully reassembled till a new deal is agreed upon.
I live in the same building as Jorge Posada. He was chatting with the doorman and they are very tight. Just saw my doorman now, here is the scoop. Yanks offer is 3 yrs with JP option for 4th. 54.8M. originally the Yanks wanted the option – that was a sticking point. JP will wait to hear what the Mets offer – if comparable – he will sign with the Yanks tomm. Press conference is later this week. If Mets offer something ridiculous – he will mull it. This doorman has Christmas dinner with JP & family and is practically JP’s best friend. i belive it.
BBB: can you imagine Matty and T Clipp bobble heads? I’d totally make an exception.
NDYank–Name more than one player that blew off the Hank Aaron award?
The Pope is coming to Yankee Stadium next year. Pretty fitting that he is visiting the cathedrial of baseball.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/.....newssearch
hmm: Actually, that’s a really interesting question!
I am in the process of acquiring two–Melky and Phil Hughes! I currently don’t have any, but I DO have baseballs signed by Yogi Berra and David Cone (dated 7.18.99), two books signed by Yogi, #250/300 The Yankees’ Encyclopedia signed by multiple Yankees, including Phil Rizzuto, and an autographed, framed picture of Mo Rivera.
I do also have a Stephon Marbury (from his Nets days) and Martin Brodeur bobblehead, just hadn’t had the chance to get a Yankees’ one.
14 February is pitchers and catchers
yank 4, I hope you aren’t pulling our legs.
This means the earliest we will know something is tomorrow. I sure hope Omar doesn’t read this blog to know the Yanks offer.
J-Dawg,
I don’t think Dice K could really be considered for ROY. After the writers screwed Matsui by saying he shouldn’t be considered a rookie after being a star in Japan (even though other players came here and won the ROY) they painted themselves into a corner. Now how would they explain it if Dice K got the award?
Ichiro got rookie of the year in 2001.
Yay for Monday being Random Baseball Trivia day!
this is what he told me – good point about Omar. sounds like the mets would have to offer 4 yrs at 15M a yr. that will make him go back to Cash with something. otherwise if its a few million less- he will be in pinstripes
ND believe it or not there is only 1 player in the history of the Henry Aaron Award who has not been there in person to accept the award. In addition this person has blown him off BOTh times he has won it. Guess who???
Both times he blew him off weere in years he was a free agent.if that doesnt say something I am not sure what does. The excuse that Boras gave BOTH times was that accepting the award at that time the focus would be on the free agency and all of those questions.HOWEVER as far as I know it is pretty easy when asked that question to say I am only talking about the award and not talking about the future after about 4 times or so of saying the same thing it becomes a waste of times for writers to ask the question in this setting but he wants to please everyone so much he does not know how to say that.
yank 4 life- I hope you are telling the truth. Sorry for not totally believing you.
Hi Rebecca,
Yep Ichiro won it, but all of a sudden in 2003 Matsui shouldn’t be considered a rookie when the other before him were? Matsui hit .287 with 42 dbs, 16 hrs, 106 rbi, 179 hits, 82 runs, and 163 games! Ãngel Berroa (anyone remember him) won with KC.
Does anybody really believe that Posada is going to ink with the Mets ???? It’s his only real bargining chip….It’s just a sceond opinion as to his worth….This is all part of the game folks….As for Rivera, His price will continue to increase with every week he’s out on the Nationa market…..As goos as he still is, his value to the Yanks is signicantly higher than it is to all the other teams because of Joba the starter……Yanks sign him within the week…They need to move on Moliina though….
My buddy was given an ARod Bobblehead for his Birthday a few years ago.
Since 1996, have always gotten together to watch Yankee Post Season Games on TV. During the past 4 years, one of our favorite sentiments was to locate the Bobblehead close to the TV set. When ARod would bat with runners in Scoring Position, we would both ask ARod if he would “come up big time” and then shake the Bobblehead.
It always seemed to shake its head “No”……….
Now that ARod apparently is moving elsewhere, what should become of the ARod Bobblehead???????
“I also expect people to look back and laugh at that in a few years when Young is a perennial All-Star and MPB is a slightly above average 2nd baseman….with a really dirty uniform.”
lolololol
Don Capone–Mmm, I sense just a little anti-Yankee bias..
Anyway, no way Dice K gets it. If any Sox pitcher would get it, it’d have to be Okajima.
Pedroia and Braun win ROY.
Sorry Troy…but dang, I am so happy for Ryan Braun!
I hope Ryan Braun can play outfield. He’s horrid at 3B. Just imagine if he improves BB/K ratio??? He would unstoppable.
Did anyone see tha auction on Ebay that Pete posted a link to a few weeks ago to get a bunch of AAA or AA Yankees stuff? I picked up a Joba signed SWB hat for $75 and a pair of Shelley Duncan batting gloves for $50.
Pretty cool stuff.
Whoever had the crack about Pedrioa having Pattern Male Baldness– I am sending you a bill for my laptop. Just sprayed it with Cutty Sark, was laughing so hard!
I agree, if Braun wins it, that would be like giving Giambi a gold glove. Gotta go Tulo!
I LOVE THIS TIME OF YEAR, TRADES, FAgent signings.
By the way, if you want to start a good debate, co check out Dayn Perry’s newest column on FoxSports.com. Top ten free agents and poss trades and who should go where.
He has Colon to the Phillies, Johan to Mets, Fatty Cabrera to the NYY, and Opt-Fraud to the Angels.
I agree with some of Dayn’s writing, but rarely. Je must be Ken Rosenthal’s son-in-law, or his wife’s retarded brother… how he is a FS writer is beyond me.
Anyone ever wonder why Rosenthal is at Fox and not ESPN? I think Rosenthal is a better writer than most the ass clowns at ESPN. I do like Stark, Kurkijian, Olney and Gammons, even though he is SOOOOO Pro-Red Sox.
Why isn’t ESPN knocking on Abraham’s door yet? He’d blow half them out of the water up there in Bristol!
Jorge’s a funny guy. Couldn’t wait for free agency because he’s never been there before. He’s not very good at it, though. Tried to play hardball and keep away from the media. Then in the last few days he’s high profile at fights and basketball games (Knicks?!) around town. And now he’s a chatterbox. Can’t shut the guy up.
I hope and pray that Jorge will be back. Yank 4 Life, you’re story sounds implausible, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Everyone tells the truth here, right?
Yank 4 Life–
I heard that Posada also just put a huge addition on his penthouse apartment? Is this true?
(and, does the sound of the ower tools keep you up?)
congrats to pedrioa, he joins a great list that includes; bobby crosby, angel berroa, Jason Jennings, eric hinske, scott williamson, ben grieve, todd hollansworth, hideo nomo, marty cordova, bob hamelin, pat listach and other…congrats
BRAUN!!!!! I guess its all about the longball, no? Who needs defense? Next year, I bet a DH will win MVP….
Maybe (this past March) many experts from Sox Nation and also ESPN expected Matsuzaka to be considered for Cy Young.
Actually he did about as well as I would have expected. His ERA was slightly higher than expected. But overall he lived up to expectations one would make after talking to a couple regular baseball fans from Japan.
Did he live up to the hype? Nope. The posting fee? Nope. Realistic expectations? Yes.
It would have been nice if ANSKY could have posted a winning bid for his rights at a less insane amount (especially this year w/all the pitching injuries) but I’m glad they didn’t bid a much as Boston did.
You know what? If NY had gotten him him instead of Boston, that might have made the 2-game difference in the standings by the year. in the playoffs? Who knows. Actually he didn’t help Boston all that much (not like Beckett) in the post season except for not getting stomped so in the WS.
He’s not an MVP, but a game here and a game there …. do the Sox still win the WS?
By Sox Nation’s unique rules governing baseball economics (and their own team’s exceptions to them) the Red Sox didn’t buy a championship (again) or waste $120-$130M per year in ’05-’06 salaries. But if NY had done the exact same things that Boston has done, that’s all we’d be hearing from them.
Hmmm … I keep going back to that don’t I? It would be nice to hear them eat their words if some unmentionable free agent goes there and pushes their team salary to #1 in MLB.
Odds are against them winning the WS with him, so that’d be OK with me.
Anyone check out Perry’s piece at Foxsports? Comments?
Ryan Braun and his 26 errors over Tulo and his unassisted triple play (and consistently great D)?
gaaah….SERENITY NOW!
Damn Yankee bias! Tulowitzki was hurt by his man-crush on Jeter.
Shamus: Link?
I, for one, do not want to see ARod hitting in Fenway.
Imagine the offensive numbers he – and the Red Sox – would put up?
Post Season? It appears that The Sawx have plenty of “big-game” hitters to make up for any ARod failures.
Anyway, I really doubt whether its a good match for either party.
Off subject, but I feel bad for Adrian Peterson. Tore a knee ligament and might be out for the rest of the season. I was looking forward to him breaking all kinds of records this season. I’m not even a Vikings fan, but I was rooting for his success this season.
I heard that Jorge expanded his pad too. I saw pictures of his original apartment in some magazine, pretty cool place.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7431662
Rivera to the Tigers. Dayn Perry’s take on free agency sounds reasonable.
Thats right A-Rod in Fenway would probably be a bad match of personalities, LJ. Could you imagine him, Varitek & Matsuzaka going out for a few for brews after every game?
E-ROC,
Find me anybody that actually knows what the Henry Aaron Award is? And how do we know “he blew him off”? What if he called, spoke with Hank, thanked him and said he couldn’t be there in person to accept? Is that ok then? Why do we even care about this?
Ranting Guy, he would have great friends in Ramirez, Lugo & Ortiz, I seriously don’t get the cancer talk
I can pretty much see how Arod would be on the Red Sox.
He would not put up as big of numbers as he did with the Yankees, but he would get clutch hits and walks and we’d see him getting driven in by Manny and Ortiz.
He’d use the wall, a lot like Lowell, and we’d see him standing on second base an awfull lot.
I really feel he’d end up playing well agaisnt the Yankees.
I hope it doesn’t happen.
Rebecca–
Here is Dayn’s piece on where he thinks free agent/ trade candidates will end up. I agree with a few… but some are head scratchers…
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7431662
PS – Ireland is beutful isn’t it? I spent a week at the Dingle Penninsula a year ago.. Amazing… Not as fun as Amsterdam, and not as historic as Rome, but fun as hell, especially for an Irishman.
My full name is E. Shamus O’Connor, so I dug Ireland, saw town where dad’s family came from in Kerry. Saw my great grandfather’s grave site.
I dig history. Probably tied in with my love for baseball. Big Mafia historian, I dig La Cosa Nostra. Mom’s side of fam is from the boot, second generation.
Sorry, prob TMI for a sports blog !
ND Yank-
Lots of people know what that award is.We know that he didnt call him as it was Boras himself who said that they were trying to make contact with Aaron AFTER THE FACT to set up a time where they could meet in person to get the award. We are not making this part up.I will reiterate what I said before with regard to the questions about the contract all he needed to say waqs I am not talking about that and after they asked the question a few times and he said the same thing they would have moved on.
And if you do not believe me here are some quotes from Boras direcly on the subject:
Agent Scott Boras said that Rodriguez, who was absent during the presentation of the Hank Aaron award before Game 4 of the World Series on Sunday, still wants to meet with Aaron to receive the honor in person, and would like to donate a portion of his next contract to a charity of Aaron’s choosing.
“That’s what we’re trying to set up — a situation where Hank Aaron and Alex Rodriguez are together and it’s about baseball and hitting and not anything to do with Alex’s contract,” Boras said.
Rodriguez, meanwhile, took some heat for missing the presentation of the Aaron award, which is given annually to the top hitter in each league through fan balloting. The award is handed out prior to a World Series game; this year, it was done in Denver. Rodriguez hit .314 with 54 home runs and 156 RBIs for New York to win his fourth Aaron award since 2001.
Another Boras client, Milwaukee Brewers first baseman Prince Fielder, was in Denver to be honored as the National League’s Aaron award winner. And Aaron, 73, showed up on crutches after undergoing arthroscopic surgery on his right knee.
Boras reiterated that a personal commitment — and not the contract situation — prevented Rodriguez from attending the ceremony.
“One of Alex’s family members had a very important event that day,” Boras said. “Ballplayers rarely get to attend these things for their families that are important, and he got a chance to do that.”
Boras, nevertheless, said that he and Rodriguez were concerned that the furor over the player’s contract status would turn the event into a circus and detract from the purpose of the Aaron award.
“We had writers call us who weren’t even coming to the World Series who were planning to go just to talk to Alex about his contract,” Boras said. “None of it would have been about Hank Aaron or the award, or about Alex Rodriguez and hitting and winning the award.”
Is anyone else as scared about NL pitchers as I am, making the transition to the AL? And to the AL East, Yankees Stadium, no less.
Thats why when I read about Sheets, Peavey, et al, yikes…
Just a though…
Shamus–You’d fit right in my corner of North Jersey *g*
I’ve been to Dublin, Galway and around the west, Inis Mor, and a few different places in the east, but not the south. Spent considerably more time in the UK last spring, and I loved it.
No family roots there to speak of–Romania and Ukraine on Mom’s side, and we don’t know about Dad’s side, which is incredibly frustrating.
Shamus-
Interesting article.. I think it would take a huge contract to get Mo away from the Yankees.. Not sure I agree with that one!
Shamus:
Dayn Perry’s no dope, (his book was interesting and readable) but predicting moves like Cabrera for Joba and Mo to the Tigers? Anything could happen, but Perry’s thing is numbers, not people.
I’ll admit my position on Mo is completely irrational, but I just don’t think Mo would go to Detroit. He’s agreed to less than market rate before, and he answers to a higher authority than “give me the most money” (I’m not criticizing, just saying what seems important to him). I just feel he is staying in NY.
Joba for Cabrera Bar? Really? I’d be surprised if the Yanks gave up Joba for anything less than a very sure thing, and Miguel “where’s the twinkies” Cabrera has obvious issues. Moreover, acquiring Miguel Cabrera will cost more than Joba (or Huges) including Melky. So, acquiring Cabrera might mean committing to another big expense/long term contract for a 30-ish FA to play CF, in addition to losing a pitching stud and a cheap, effective CF. Getting Cabrera also keeps the squeeze at DH tight, especially if Cabrera plays 3d and Betemit plays 1st.
This is what Dayn says about the two Yankees topics he touches on:
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3. Miguel Cabrera to the Yankees
Cabrera’s defense leaves much to be desired, and he’s not going to stick at third much longer. Still, he’s got an MVP-caliber bat and he’s only 24 years of age. Cabrera boasts a career batting line of .320 AVG/.401 OBP/.565 SLG, and that’s despite playing his home games in one of the best pitcher’s parks in baseball. In other words: He can rake.
The Yanks already have Wilson Betemit in the fold, and he’s an underrated performer. Over the last three seasons, Betemit’s hit a combined .265 AVG/.337 OBP/.455 SLG, while Mike Lowell has hit a very similar .284 AVG/.341 OBP/.449 SLG over that span. Sure, Lowell’s the better defender, but Betemit is hardly a liability with the glove. Considering the dollars and ages involved, Betemit’s going to be the better bargain going forward.
In any event, the Yankees, if they so choose, can install Betemit at third, move Cabrera to first, put Jason Giambi at DH and treat Johnny Damon like the overpaid fourth outfielder that he is. Or they could play Cabrera at third and keep Betemit in a bench role. Either way, Cabrera greatly softens the offensive blow of losing A-Rod.
As for the return package, it’s going to be costly. The Gotham media and Yankee partisans have a long-standing habit of A) Grossly overestimating the team’s mid-grade prospects and B) Assuming other teams, when it comes to making trades, will gleefully and deferentially bend over. That’s not how things work (at least not since the A’s were in Kansas City). You can keep Philip Hughes, Yanks, but getting a player of Cabrera’s gifts is going to cost you Joba Chamberlain and Jose Tabata.
4. Mariano Rivera to the Tigers
This one would be a coup. It’s a fit for sure. Joel Zumaya is out until mid-season after undergoing shoulder surgery, and incumbent Todd Jones is a free agent and not adequate in the first place. Rivera garnered some negative attention for his early season struggles this year, but he came on to post a 3.15 ERA and a nifty strikeout-to-walk ratio of 6.2. After the break he posted an ERA of just 2.52. Signing the future Hall of Famer will inevitably mean out-bidding the Yankees, but Detroit has committed ownership and a GM who’s willing to make bold moves.
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I don’t know. Lil’ Stein keeps saying he won’t move any of the big three for a position player, hinting maybe at least one, if not two could go for the right pitcher.
So I don’t see Joba and Tabata for Miggy.
But I run a bar, whaddya think I know? Guinness costs $129 a keg after the deposit, thats what I know in life!!! I know that you can pour Popov Vodka in a bottle of Absolut and no one knows the difference. Whoops….
Anyhow, I think if Cashman could pull of a deal of Horne, Betances, Sanchez, and Melky for Miggy, obviously he’d do it. But I doubt the Marlins would take that.
The Marlins are asking for packages based around guys like Hughes, Buchholz, Loney, Kendrick, etc.
If it took Hughes and Melky to get Miggy, I still don’t know if I’d do it. I question his weight, ethics, cleanliness of uniform (KIDDING- Migames!!), etc. His idea of Betemit at 3B and Miggy at 1B makes a logjam, with Giambi, Phillips, poss Duncan, ?
And Rivera to the Tigers? That would hurt even more than just the emotional aspect, because then we’d have to make Joba the closer, either that or let Edwar and Krazy Kyle battle it out for the role…
Isn’t K-Rod a free agent next year? Haven’t the Yankees been linked to him in rumors before?
I don’t think he’s a cancer Brandon … Actually I never heard any suggestions of him being a cancer in NY, Texas or Seattle.
It’s just evident that some guys in Boston would need time to get used to having him as a teammate instead of an opponent. Varitek and ARod had that little shoving match. Matsuzaka was told to hit him by other teammates, and he did a few times. Of course the fans there don’t like him now but they would learn to.
Yes on the other hand guys like Ortiz and Ramirez seem like they could could get along with just about anyone.
Joba Chamberlain and Tabata for Cabrera and Mariano to the Tigers.
Some people just have too much time on their hands.
A column in which ZERO thought went into its contents.
it’s cool Ranting
SJ: Agreed, but if it pays well, why not?
SJ44, do you see the Yankees getting involved in a poss salary dump with the A’s: trade for Danny Haren, but agree to take Eric Chavez’s contract (3 years/$34 million)?
Haren is signed for $16 million through the next 3 seasons, and if you take Chavez’s contract, you might get Billy Beane to take Kennedy and Tabata, instead of asking for Joba or Hughes.
I agree with SJ44, just about the entire column was rubbish….Hell, some of the proposed trades I’ve read here over the past few days have as much merit as that BS….Typical fish-wrap writers exposing their short comings when it comes to baseball knowledge…Not all scribes of course subject us to such crap…..I do wonder what the astute Mr.SJ44 has to offer as far as this offseason dealings……Do the Yanks make a move for Santana, and at what price ????
Mariano to the Tigers isn’t a stretch. Let’s just hope it doesn’t happen.
$54.8M for 4 years seems a little fishy. Dollar amounts are usually rounder numbers than that.
Also I’m skeptical about the player option. Seems that if the Yankees couldn’t get a team option, they would at least get 4 years guaranteed rather than a player option.
I don’t know, guess we’ll see.
Shamus:
You guys pay 129 a keg? Let’s see, at 7 bucks a pint… Ah well. I’ll have another anyway. I’m almost half done with this one and it’ll take a while for the next one to pour and settle, so you might as well start it now.
Yeah as fans we never really know how much of the stuff we see on TV is just ‘in the heat of battle’ or if the players really don’t like each other.
I.E. – I got the impression from a couple years ago that Pedro wouldn’t exactly be a favorite teammate of Posada’s if Posada were to go to the Mets next year. Would Don Zimmer (hypothetically only) like being Willie Randolph’s bench coach while Pedro’s on the Mets? Probably not. But you never know …. Clemens and Jeter turned out to be pretty good teammates right away, one season after Clemens gave Jeter some chin music up in Toronto.
From what Varitek sounded like the week before last, he might live with it if he had to. But as for right now he’s hoping Lowell stays and there’s no A-Rod in his locker room next year.
Hebrew Hammer!! Thats my BOY SON!!!
This next year will be, in my humble opinion, fun and frustrating at the same time.
It will be a transition year, especially depending on who comes back and who doesn’t. It will be fun to watch the youth of the organization blossom. But thats not to say we won’t be in possibly in contention.
However, it will also be frustrating if say, god please knock on wood, that Joba, Ian and Phil turn into Carl, Mark and Kerry, if you know what I mean. Or what if they don’t pan out at all, and then we’ll be wishing we dealt them all for Johan and Miggy just to be in contention.
It will be fun, but it will also be a test for the true Yankees fans. It will be interesting to see how many go run into hiding because the team goes, hypothetically, (with its current roster and NO additions made) 80-82, third in the AL East. How many ‘fans’ one year into the ‘new phase’ will demand for Girardi’s head on a platter, or so on.
I’m excited for the future of a new team, a team built from the farm up with a few added players. Yet, also living in the Red Neck Backyard of Red Sox Nation (Maine), I’m also ready for a little ridicule if the Sox win one of the next three World Series while we ‘rebuild’ for that eventual three-to-five year championship run that we, the true fans of this team, know is brewing within our farm system.
I’ll be bold and say it: If we don’t win at least two World Series between 2009 and 2013, I’d be shocked. But it will take patience, I believe. (This is assuming, they don’t go back on their word and pay Opt-Fraud some ridiculous ransom to return. Then, I’m going to be a Pittsburgh Pirates fan, I think!)
So I’m happy to see what we have with our youth, and as a true fan, I am ready to be patient. In the last few years, we’ve had Wang, Melky, and Cano come up from our farm system (even though Wang was an international signing).
Now, with Joba, Ian, Phil, Karstens, Shelley Duncan banging down the door, and right behind them, is Action Jackson, Jose Tabata, Brett Gardner, Humberto Sanchez, Dellin Betances, and so on knocking on the door, this team will be a monster for years.
If it all works out. And don’t forget, sometimes snagging a free agent or a shrewd trade is a key acquisition. Lets not forget, Paul O’Neil, Scott Brosius, Jimmy Key, Roger Clemens (pt. 1), David Cone, Chuck Knoblauch, Tino Martinez, and so on weren’t all from our farm system. But, not all of them were the top-tier free agents or trades when the Yankees acquired them in the 90′s.
Sure, some were sure fire HOF’s, but some were shots in the dark that worked out perfectly. Most of all, a lot of them, selected by Gene Michael, were chosen not just for performance, but character as well.
So if they run out and spend the kids on Johan, Sheets and Miggy Cabrera, for a win now solution, then so be it, I guess.
But…
If hold onto the kids, and let this last year of (mostly) bad, backloaded contracts end, such as Giambi $21M, Mussina $11M, Farnsworth $9M, Pavano $10M, (and then some of the good guys) Pettitte $16M (if he comes back) and Abreu $16M (team option year) expire, then they’ll have A LOT ($83M from those dead deals alone) to go after some poss. free agents (assuming they don’t sign long term this year with a team) in 2009 such as 1B Mark Texiera, SP Johan Santana, and SP C.C. Sabathia, as well as OF Matt Holiday, young guys in their prime that they could fill possible holes with.
I’m rambling here, sorry. Just saying, if they don’t make a single move (with the exception of retaining Po and Mo to reasonable deals) going into this season, going with Betemit at 3B and a rotation of Wang, Joba, Hughes, Moose, and Ian, then so be it. It will be fun to watch them develop.
It will be fun to finally have a team to root for again, and not a corporation. A team full of beaming kids just happy to be there as oppossed to a team full of mercenary free agents who came to NY because they made the top offer.
Sorry I rambled…
“The Gotham media and Yankee partisans have a long-standing habit of A) Grossly overestimating the team’s mid-grade prospects and B) Assuming other teams, when it comes to making trades, will gleefully and deferentially bend over. That’s not how things work (at least not since the A’s were in Kansas City). You can keep Philip Hughes, Yanks, but getting a player of Cabrera’s gifts is going to cost you Joba Chamberlain and Jose Tabata.”
But he included Phil Humber in a trade to the Twins for Santana.Humber’s minor league record is 13 -16 with a 4.11 ERA and he was disaster in his short stint with the Mets. Is he saying Humber is a better prospect than Ian Kennedy or does he just have a bias against the Yankees?
Ha! So I’m not the only one that thinks Dayn is a Yankees hater! He has us giving up Joba and Tabata for Tubby the Fish…Shamoo the Marlin.
If he knew, or I should say, RESEARCHED, then he’d know there is no way the Bombers would give up Joba, ‘specially for Miguel Cabrera, the Whale.
They’d have to get him a place down on the pier where peoplecould feed him fish all day before he went to the Stadium at night.
“Step righ uop boys and girls and flip a fish down the throat of your New York Yankees’ third baseman, Tubby the Fish.”
Amen Shamus, well said. We need a little patience. I just hope 2008 isn’t too bad.
“We need a little patience”
Just a little patience, yeaaaaa yeaa. A little Patience, yeaaaaa yeaaa.
Mariano to the Tigers isn’t a stretch? Its beyond a stretch.
Its fantasy.
His entire life is in NY. He lives in NY year round now and has since the tragic death of his cousin in the pool accident at his house in Panama.
He has business, outside of baseball, in NY.
What does Detroit do for him? Nothing.
He’s not starting over at 37 years old. Neither is Posada.
They will do what they intended to do since the spring. Make the Yankees sweat a bit, then re-sign with them.
Pat,
I don’t see them going after Miguel Cabrera unless the price comes WAY down. They won’t trade Chamberlain under any circumstances.
Right now, the Marlins want 4 A List prospects for Cabrera. They may get it but, it won’t be from the Yankees. I suspect that price will drop at the Winter Meetings because Cabrera is too mercurial a personality (despite his talent) to blow up your entire farm system to acquire.
I only see them trading Hughes if Johan Santana comes back in return.
I think their major off-season move, aside from re-signing Posada and Rivera, will be attempting to acquire Santana.
I have always felt that was the long range plan, in terms of making a big off-season move.
He’s the best pitcher in baseball. He’s healthy and he’s only 28. He’s a fastball/change up pitcher. Meaning, no damage to the elbow or shoulder.
He’s also lefthanded, which his HUGE.
If they can get him, that’s the guy I see them making a big push to acquire.
The rest of the other “big” moves, are all noise. Dreamed up trade scenarios by people who either have too much time on their hands or haven’t noticed the direction the team has been going (in terms of reloading) the past 2 years.
I don’t see them blowing out the farm system this off-season because some fans and beat writers are in a panic because Arod is gone.
Can we also assume that any deal for Santana MUST include a negotiating window for a long term deal and if they dont get it done then the deal is offas I would hate to give up A level talent for a one year rental.
SJ44 must be a carpenter b/c you WAILED that nail on the head!
Amen, I’ve been hearing, quietly, for years, thats the long range plan. George King first said it back in 2006, when speculation was the Yankees would trade the farm to get Al Soriano back to fill the injury holes in the OF left by Matsui and Sheffield.
When the Yankees abstained, and kept abstaining (I also think back to Beckett- they had a chance I read to get Beckett in Nov. 05 for Wang and Cano) to trade youth, I figured either Cashman was going to blow it all up a la Billy Beane and start fresh, or they were saving their talent knowing Santana would price himself out of Minn.
And knowing Terry Ryan, he knew Johan would get traded before free agency, not pull a Jim Bowden and let your star walk away (Soriano from Nats last year– idiot move by Bowden).
The big move will be Santana, prob. Lets just hope it doesn’t cost too much (I would hate to see Joba or Cano go. Phil, Ian, Melky, poss Tabata sure. But please no Joba or Cano!).
Good call SJ
I wouldnt trade Robinson Cano or Joba, but I would move Melky, Hughes or Ian Kennedy in a deal for Santana or Cabrera. You have to give up something to acquire a young impact player like a Santana or Cabrera. To be honest, I don’t see Phil or Ian becoming dominant major league pitchers. Good pitchers, yes. Front of the rotation aces, no. Neither of them has a devasting pitch.
Also, the Yanks would be dealing from their strength, pitching prospects. Their minor league system is top heavy with pitching prospects but it’s not very deep in position players.
I’m not so sure that if the Yanks don’t make a big trade before the ’08 season that they’d ever win again in the Jeter era. Jetes aint old, but he’s not getting any younger.
I have a fear that if the Yankees decide to go with the kids for the next couple of years and not trade any of them, Derek, Mo & Po could potentially go the way of Tom Tresh, Elston Howard and Whitey Ford did in ’65. I pray that I’m wrong.
Interesting tidbit about the Detroit/ Rivera connection?
They wanted him badly in 1994, when he was a prospect. Offered David Wells for him, NYY almost took it, until Rivera started nailing 97MPH on the radar gun consistently. Was always a 91-93MPH guy, but started ripping it.
At last second, NYY cancelled trade. All in Olney’s book, “Last night of the Yankees Dynasty”. Good read. We also almost traded Soriano in 2002 for Jim Edmonds. I would have taken him over A-Rod anyday!
Phil and Joba aren’t going anywhere. Neither is Mo, for that matter. Perry’s piece made little sense.
They just flashed the vote totals for the NL Rookie of the Year on ESPNEWS. Ryan Braun won with 128 points to Tulowitzki’s 126. Wow that was close!!
“congrats to pedrioa, he joins a great list that includes; bobby crosby, angel berroa, Jason Jennings, eric hinske, scott williamson, ben grieve, todd hollansworth, hideo nomo, marty cordova, bob hamelin, pat listach and other…congrats”
………….and Verlander, Howard, Willis, Pujols, Ichiro, and Jeter.
It does seem as though the Twins are looking for position players along with a Hughes / Kennedy type pitching prospect…So that brings us to eiter Cano or Melky…As for 3rd base, Scott Rolen’s name keeps popping up…His glove alone makes him desirable along with his 25 home runs….All of this is subject to his health……I hate to see to Hughes and or Kennedy go as I watched them grow up since they were kids…However Johan Santana just happens to be the best pitcher on the planet, and as stated he’s a lefty…..Really have to make a serious run for him…..As for Cabrera, I still remember the dinger to right that he hit off of Clemens in the 03 Series….This after being subjected to some 95 MPH chin music….His price is absurd right now…..PASS ….
Anybody that trades for Santana will sign him to an extension. Peter Greenberg, his agent, is not one of those guys who takes his client to the market no matter what.
Any team that gives up as much as they will have to give up for Santana will get a deal done with him or there will be no deal.
“congrats to pedrioa, he joins a great list that includes; bobby crosby, angel berroa, Jason Jennings, eric hinske, scott williamson, ben grieve, todd hollansworth, hideo nomo, marty cordova, bob hamelin, pat listach and other…congrats
………….and Verlander, Howard, Willis, Pujols, Ichiro, and Jeter.”
….and Sandy Alomar, Jerome Walton, Gregg Olsen, Walt Wiess, Chris Sabo, Todd Worrell, Alvin Davis, Ron Kittle, Steve Howe, Joe Charboneou, John Castillo, Alfredo Griffin…
All the more reason not to give Rivera and Posada what they want. If they want to remain in N.Y. and it can’t be with the Yanks, where they gonna go besides the Mets? The Mets have Billy Wagner.
Rivera: 2 years @ $10.5M/yr. = $21M
Posada: 2 years @ $14M/yr. = $28M
Let Posada go to the Mets, Mo to Philly. Call their bluff.
Cashman is too soft.
“….and Sandy Alomar, Jerome Walton, Gregg Olsen, Walt Wiess, Chris Sabo, Todd Worrell, Alvin Davis, Ron Kittle, Steve Howe, Joe Charboneou, John Castillo, Alfredo Griffin…”
………and Mike Piazza, Jeff Bagwell, David Justice, Mark McGwire, Vince Coleman, Dwight Gooden, Darryl Strawberry, Steve Sax, Cal Ripken Jr., Dave Righetti, Fernando Valenzuela, Rick Sutcliffe, Andre Dawson, Lou Whittaker, Eddie Murray, Fred Lynn, Carlton Fisk, Chris Chambliss, Lou Pinella, Rod Carew, Johnny Bench, Tom Seaver, Tommy Agee, Pete Rose, Frank Howard, Willie McCovey, Orlando Cepeda, Frank Robinson, Luis Aparicio, Tony Kubek, Willie Mays, and Don Newcombe.
“Let Posada go to the Mets, Mo to Philly. Call their bluff.
Cashman is too soft.”
negotiating is pretty easy on the internet.
mariano might be “bluffing”, but posada would leave if presented with that offer. it’s that simple. he’s not going to take 2 years when he can get 4 years elsewhere.
So what if the Mets got Posada? Their pitching is in shambles. They don’t need Posada, they need pitching. Their ace (Pedro) hasn’t pitched a full season since his decent 2005. He won’t be what he was through 2003, wasn’t all that 2004-05, and is no lock to be healthy all 2008 which he better be. Glavine is either returning to Atlanta or retiring, I doubt he returns to the Mets. Perez and Maine had their breakout seasons in the same year this year, I doubt both equal or better that (I think Perez is more likely to). El Duque is done. With Glavine gone, Florida could ask for and get a king’s ransom for Willis I doubt the Mets would give them and he’s not what he was early in his career. That bullpen outside of Wagner and Feliciano blows. They overachieved then collapsed from being overworked.
Right now I can hear Boras telling his underlings to come up with an ARod rumor and FAST. How dare the BBWA upstage the ARod watch with their silly awards??
Can someone explain to me why you wouldnt trade Hughes for an Ace like Santana,Peavy or Haren? Yes Hughes has alot of potential,but there have been plenty of potential pitchers that never made it in the bigs. I always like to know what I have from Big League performances than a future star prospect. With these 3 aces I named, you get solid #1 guys that are proven.
As far as Cano is concerned, alot of you guys wanted him traded in May. Now you refuse to trade him for a top notch starter. I for one am a fan of Cano, but 2nd base is easier to fill than a true #1. I would pull the trigger for Santana.
Again maybe im being naive.
Does anyone know if Joba or Phil Hughes are eligible for Rookie of the Year considerations in ’08?
I think Cano is tougher to trade than Hughes at this point because, with Arod gone, Cano may be their best all around hitter.
Can’t trade a good young arm AND your best all around hitter for Santana. Melky, Hughes and a couple of other prospects? That’s different and is more in line with what the Braves traded when they got Teixiera.
Let’s hear it. How many bloggers on this board make the annual trek to 1 Steinbrenner Drive, AKA Legends Field in Tampa ?
Pitchers & catchers report on or about February 14 and the position players about a week later. Admission is free and workouts run from 10:00AM to 1:00PM until the exhibition games start in March.
It will be interesting to see how Joe Girardi runs the camp which saw only Torre since Legends Field opened in ’96.
Yes, they will be, as will Ellsbury.
They didnt meet IP requirment this year.
hmmmm
I’d make those offers to them because they’re old and those yearly salaries are generous. Mo would make what he made this year cuz he’s not better than that. He’s ensured of pitching in the final season of the current Yankee Stadium and the first year of the new Yankee Stadium. Ditto for Posada who would be paid $1M > what I-Rod is making next year thus would be the highest paid catcher in M.L.B.
Like I just said, let Posada go to the Mets. I could see the Yanks getting Johann Santana then Pettitte returning upon the Yanks’ urging (Santana/ Wang/ Pettitte/ Chamberlain/ Mussina w/ Kennedy as insurance wouldn’t be a hard sell), and not missing a beat. They need to get a 3B Posada or no Posada. Santana, Francisco Cordero, Miguel Tejada, Mike Cameron (I’m guessing Melky has to go in any package for Santana), Paul LoDuca, Ramon Castro, Jeremy Affeldt, and a couple more new relievers will more than make me forget about Rivera and Posada.
“They didnt meet IP requirment this year.”
You sure about Hughes? I thought it was no more than 45 IP the previous season.
FloridaYank,
I’ll be making the trip from Mass. right around March 1. I have some great pics of Joe Girardi working with the Yanks young catchers. I’m looking forward to seeing him put the squad through their paces. You cant beat Legend’s Field and Spring Training!
i gotta be honest, folks, i wouldnt be crushed if jorge leaves. He is slow as molasses and never blocks the plate. I would like a girardi type, a michael barret. I want a guy that doesnt lead the leage in double plays and is more hard nosed than posada and handles a pitching staff better. I think jorge had a CAREER year and signing himj to a four year deal at 37 is insanity.
Correction: 50 IP
SJ44-
Right on ,that Santana deal is exactly what need to be done. Who plays CF if Melky is gone? Rowand or Torii, or the next level say Cameron etc…
When are you starting YOUR blog??
WILL SOMEONE BE UPSET IF SOMEHOW AROD DOSENT GET THE MVP AWARD
JOSH BECKETT GETS IT
Drive I want to go down to st so badly.
Do they practice on the weekends. Maybe I would make a long weekend out of it and go down to Sunny Fla.
Drive I want to go down to st so badly.
Do they practice on the weekends. Maybe I would make a long weekend out of it and go down to Sunny Fla.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_TxTEls9Fc
Pretty funny song that fits the A-Rod theme of the offseason.
B.t.w. since when is being a g.m. about giving the players exactly what they want?
Posada has no leverage whatsoever. He wants to remain in N.Y., o.k. Yanks or Mets then. If he goes to the Mets, he can kiss his chances of returning to the World Series goodbye because they’re not winning the 88 games they won this year or more next year with that pitching. Name me another team besides the Mets who’d give him 4 years. Toronto with their artificial turf and the specter of their #2 starter A.J. Burnett being able to opt out of his contract after next year? No way.
Rivera has even less leverage. The Mets wouldn’t sign him cuz they already have a closer (Wagner). Philly just got Brad Lidge. Mo wants to sign with Philly thus compete with the Mets and Atlanta? He’s going to Atlanta? Get outta here. Boston has Paplebon, the Angels have K-Rod, Seattle has Putz, Cleveland has Borowski and needs to keep C.C. Sabathia, Minnesota has Nathan, Toronto has Ryan, Oakland has Street (these last three couldn’t afford him). Chicago, Kansas City, Tampa Bay, Baltimore, and Texas are going nowhere. Detroit will probably re-sign Todd Jones or go after Bob Wickman (way less years and money).
A-Rod’s a slam dunk lock for MVP. Next question.
Geez why the hate for Jorge? He has been and will be a good Yankee. Yet there is such hate for him. I don’t understand it.
jennifer,
They practice 7 days a week. But once games start you may see the minor league kids at the complex. The week that pitchers and catchers show up is really cool because the crowds are that big and you can get within a few feet of the bullpens and practice fields. Once the position players arrive the crowds begin to swell. Legends Field is state of the art. You’ll enjoy it.
Even at his age, Jorge deserves every penny he gets. He is as close to irreplaceable as anyone.
So what week is best? And what hotels are good to stay at?
I said it last night and I’ll say it again, if the Twins think they’re going to get Robinson Cano and Phil Hughes from the Yankees for Johan Santana they are CRAZY and Brian Cashman would have to be on PCP to make that trade.
You do not trade a 24 year old second baseman who’s arguably the best in the league plus a 21 year old potential top of the line starter for a pitcher that’s going to eventually cost upwards of 20Mil a year I don’t care how much of an ACE he is.
hey, what do you think fo a possibly Ben Sheets trade?
Very good pitcher, but an arm in a sling waiting to happen. I highly doubt he’s available anyway.
How can you trade Cano and Hughes for Santana? It makes no sense. They already have offensive holes at 1st and 3rd you want another? Is the upgrade of Santana over Hughes worth the drop-off they suffer at second?
Drive 4-5,
Joba and Kennedy will be eligible, but not Hughes. The innnings limit is 50 and i believe he was in the 70′s for IP. It would definitely be nice to see one of the two get it.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-coul.html
Ben Sheets rumor
THey could probably get Sheets without having to give up any of the big three.
Damon+Farnsworth+20 million dollars for Sheets?
Was Joba on the MLB roster for more than 45 days? If so, he’s not eligible either.
I would love to go down to ST sometime…but alas, I have not the means to do so, and anyway, I only get a week off for Spring Break
If you don’t think Posada or Rivera have leverage you don’t know anything about baseball or the business of baseball.
There is a serious shortage of catchers in the game and Posada may be the best all around catcher (offense and defense) in the game.
What’s more, the Yankees don’t have ANYBODY in their farm system to replace him at this time.
Michael Barrett? An awful defensive catcher whom, pitchers HATE throwing to because he calls too many fastballs with guys on base to overcome his weak arm.
Mariano’s “off” year’s equal other closers best years. They BOTH have leverage because they are still very good players and the Yankees don’t have anybody to replace either guy.
And please, let’s stop with the nonsense that the Francisco Cordero’s of the world are better than Mo simply because some of you stat geeks live by your numbers.
Lots of players can have ONE year or do it in a low stress enviornment. Very few can do it in NY.
Even the best player in the game can’t drive in post-season runs. You now want to get rid of perhaps the greatest post-season performer of all-time AND the starting catcher over money?
You do that, you do become the DRays overnight…..with a only a bigger payroll.
There is also the “little” thing of doing what’s right. Other players in the game watch how teams treat players. If you think the Yankees dumping on guys like Posada and Rivera will attract other free agents to this team, you are obviously too young to remember the 80′s.
The Yankees signed a bunch of guys throughout the 80′s who only came here for the check. The real good players wanted no part of NY because of George’s craziness, especially with Dave Winfield.
You do what’s right, run a good organization, and things will fall into place.
jennifer,
I dont know about the hotels. I’m lucky because my brother lives close by.
I like to go down during March because I can catch a couple of games. But it is pretty cool watching just the pitchers and catchers work on drills. The Yanks bullpen has 5 mounds. You can watch their pitching rotation warm up together.
“Can someone explain to me why you wouldnt trade Hughes for an Ace like Santana,Peavy or Haren? Yes Hughes has alot of potential,but there have been plenty of potential pitchers that never made it in the bigs. I always like to know what I have from Big League performances than a future star prospect.”
well, i am not saying the yankees SHOULDN’T include Hughes for Santana, but it’s not obvious either way.
the argument against trading Hughes for Santana goes like this:
Phil Hughes will cost a total of about $20M over the next 6 years if everything goes well.
Santana will cost a total of $113M over the next 6 years if you assume an extension will be about $20M/year.
even if Hughes isn’t quite the pitcher that Santana is, say he tops out as a solid #2, can the Yankees bridge that gap with the $93M they save?
there are arguments both ways.
at this point, i’d opt to hold onto Hughes and Joba and see what they can do. i realize the smarter baseball move might be trading Hughes for Santana, but at some point i think you need to get off the merry-go-round and go to war with your top prospects.
o/w there will ALWAYS be another teams’ salary dump you can trade for if you fear the uncertainty.
right now, i think i’d risk the possibility that Johan signs an extension somewhere else b/c the reward (i.e. having Johan, Joba, Phil and Ian in 2009) is worth the risk.
Apparently Todd Jones re-signed with Detroit…
DETROIT (AP) – Todd Jones and the Detroit Tigers agreed on a $7 million, one-year deal Monday, the closer wrote in an e-mail to The Associated Press.
Damon’s no trade includes Milwaukee. No deal.
Plus, why Ben Sheets? He spends almost as much time on the DL as Carl Pavano.
They would be better off just using Kennedy, Hughes and Chamberlain in the rotation than to take a guy who is always hurt.
Why do you think Milwaukee is looking to trade him? He can’t stay healthy and they don’t want to deal with it anymore.
WHat stat on the planet says that Cordero is better than Rivera?
who said that Francisco Cordero of the world is better than MO?
Mariano numbers are outstanding.
Damon’s no trade includes Milwaukee. No deal.
Plus, why Ben Sheets? He spends almost as much time on the DL as Carl Pavano.
They would be better off just using Kennedy, Hughes and Chamberlain in the rotation than to take a guy who is always hurt.
Why do you think Milwaukee is looking to trade him? He can’t stay healthy and they don’t want to deal with it anymore.
No good then
When he`s healthy he`s one of the best guys in baseball. His value`s low right now. Not much to lose but a lot to gain
Oh well
I’ll check around for hotels than. I have family that live about an hour north of Tampa, it wouldn’t be worth it to stay there.
Geez Jones signed for that much!! $$ just went off in Mo’s head.
who said that Francisco Cordero of the world is better than MO?
Mariano numbers are outstanding.
SJ44:
And please, let’s stop with the nonsense that the Francisco Cordero’s of the world are better than Mo simply because some of you stat geeks live by your numbers.
If yanks 4 life is right, Yanks are overpaying Jorge. I can live with the extra years because it’s probably needed to get it done but the final 2 years are going to be as a DH most likely at 14 million a year. Jorge said it’s not about the money so the Yanks should believe him and offered less the last 2 years of the deal.
my question was directed to SJ….
“who said that Francisco Cordero of the world is better than MO?”
it was in the last thread.
Look at what we are paying Giambi. 22 million to be a once in a while dh.
Look at what we are paying Giambi. 22 million to be a once in a while dh.
So because they made one mistake its okay to make another mistake?
So it’s not just me then, and Sheets is Pavano lite?
Good to know.
I wouldn’t be as big of a mistake
We can’t let Jorge get away. the free agent catchers are crap. He is the best on the market. and one of the best in baseball.
Yes Sheets always seems to injuries.
I watch David Ortiz at least 18 games a year. He’s got to be one of the most prolific DH’s in the league and he’s making 12 million a year. It may be for the goodwill angle that SJ44 is referring to but 14 million for a 40 year old DH is overpaying.
Good to know I’m not totally insane. Just mostly.
We have had a guy on here, under numerous names, who has been touting Cordero to replace Rivera for the last two weeks.
Every time I call him on it, he flies into a hissy fit, changes his blog name, and comes back with the same suggestion.
Its amazing to me how some people are so ticked off at Arod for leaving, yet can’t wait to kick Posada and Rivera to the curb because they are looking to cash in on the last contract they will ever sign.
The Cordero comments weren’t mine. I’ve spent the last two weeks embarrassing the guy who keep posting them.
Now, some of you can pick up the slack. I’m and old man and I get tired of defending nonsense! lol
well, dont confuse an idiot that think that cordero is better than mo as a stat geek, imo, he is just a geek.
Who is this Chad Cordero? Is he in the National League?
Hey SJ– who are the teams in Damon’s 12-team no-trade clause?
I’ve been trying to find that for a month!
And hmmm, good point on Santana vs. Hughes and the $93M gap. The arguement goes both ways.
I’m so on the fence about this one. I think holding Cano and Joba is crucial.
I think if they could trade Hughes, Kennedy and Melky for Santana, man…if I was Cashman, that would be a coin toss, I swear!
Then what do we do about 3B? If they plan on running at Santana, doesn’t leave much for 3B. I am not a fan of salary dump gathering on Rolen or Chavez, both are locked in for 3 years…
Tejada at two years and $26? Sounds reasonable, would be decent RH pop in the lineup, 20 HR, 100 RBI, poss. BUT, would Angelos allow him to the NYY, AND, what would it cost? Would they take Alan Horne, Brett Gardner and Kyle Farnsworth, with 3/4 of Krazy’s final year paid off?
Not likely… But this is the team that gave Gimp Belle 5 years, $65M….
And traded for Krisanna Benson….
And traded for Corky Sosa…
Rivera and most certainly Jorge Posada have a wealth of leverage…..The principle of supply & demand dictates this more so in baseball than any other sport….I do think that they both resign, but they’ll demand more than top dollar….Yanks have no replacements….And if you’re inclind to use Joba as a closer, then the rotation takes a major hit….As for Santana, he’s the only pitcher I’d consider trading Hughes for….I still think Kennedy is the sleeper of the Holy Trinity…..Although we just got a small sample at the end of last season ( 3 starts ), but do not at all surprised when he bumps Mussina ( hopefully ) out of the rotation when the team goes North next Spring…..If the Santana gig could happen so be it, but I hope it would not be at the cost of Cano….If that’s the price, Cashman must say NO……Melky yes…
I keep all my trade chips for Santana. That’s the kind of presence this team needs. A stopper at the top. I think Joba will develop into that and having a future 1-2 of Johan-Joba would be nasty.
While it would be tough to lose a Hughes or Kennedy for the future, I don’t know what fan wouldn’t trade either of one of them right now in a deal for Santana that didn’t include Joba or Cano.
If they want Cano for Santana then that’s pretty much all they will get from us. The Yankees are not dumb enough to trade Cano and one of the big 3 young pitchers. That’s actually too much to give up in my opinion.
If they want a package built around one of the young pitchers, they can’t even mention Cano.
If they want Cano, send us Santana and we’ll throw in an intriguing prospect or two, but nothing top level with Cano.
I’d actually do that deal (Cano for Santana) as it would save our young pitching and enable Cashman to trade some young pitching for Cabrera if he wanted to.
If you told me I could trade Cano for Santana, then try to trade Hughes or Kennedy in a package for Cabrera, I would probably do it.
You’d have a rotation of Johan, Joba, Wang, Hughes or Kennedy (whichever doesn’t get dealt), Mussina and possibly Pettitte.
We’d have a hole at 2b, but is it out of the realm of possibility that Betemit could be a 2b?
His projected full season stats are intriguing.
Put Cabrera at 3b or 1b (hopefully 3rd if we could get him to conquer his weight) in that scenario and that’s an interesting team offensively and pitching wise.
Cano is already better and more established than most of the top prospects being tossed around for Santana. If Minny wants him, they don’t get much else out of us.
I would trade Cano for Johan in a heartbeat as long as it didn’t cost much more than Robbie. If they want one of the big 3 starting pitchers, walk away. They’d be robbing us.
Any trades at this point are pure speculation fueled by a bored baseball media and relished by starved fans.
The majority of teams don’t do deals until their free agent selections are in place and the Yankees don’t do things differently regardless of how much available funds they have.
The meetings last week were mostly to open dialogue with player agents and other GM’s and get a sense of who wants what and what they’re willing to do to get what they need.
Soon the free agent signings will begin to set the tone for the trades at the winter meetings in December.
2001 151.1 4.76
2002 216.2 4.15
2003 220.2 4.45
2004 237.0 2.70
2005 156.2 3.33
2006 106.0 3.82
2007 141.1 3.82
Sheet’s IP and ERA since rookie year of 2001.
Those IP scare me, all the elbow and shoulder issues… Plus, again… AN NL PITCHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please, for the sake of all that’s good, NO !
We all need to be thankful that the best free agent catcher is a lifelong Yankee. Can you imagine if the best catcher available was an Angel or a Red Sox and we had no internal solutions?
Give Jorge the money.
even if Hughes isn’t quite the pitcher that Santana is, say he tops out as a solid #2, can the Yankees bridge that gap with the $93M they save?
thats the 93M risk, if we keep hughes, will he bridge that gap? Is the risk worth 93million?
Just my 2cents here. Cano had, what, 97 RBI hitting 6th, 7th or 8th in the lineup. With ARod gone, I don’t think it would be wise to get rid of someone who could easily bat in over 100 runs if they move him up a spot or two in the lineup. And though some say it is easier to replace a 2nd baseman than a 3rd baseman, I’m not sure I understand that logic – it really depends on what 2nd basemen are available, true? And it’s not always easy for players to change position without going through growing pains both offensively and defensively.
Because it certainly looks like the Yankees, at least at some point during this season, are going to have 3 rookie pitchers starting, wouldn’t it be best to have a stable defense behind them? So, I’m for holding onto Cano, and find a 3rd baseman who doesn’t embarrass himself at the plate, but who can play a mean defense. I am also hoping they do not have to move Cano to 3rd, for the same reason – he’s finally comfortable at 2nd, and the Yankees do not need the headache.
It would be nice to have Santana, but it’s also not imperative in my mind, at least not until we know what the deal is going to be with Posada and Mariano. I’m pretty much resigned to the fact that Pettitte is going to retire.
I can’t see any way that the Yankees trade Canò.
Mel -
I agree with you regarding Posada. I think the Yankees almost have to approach this as if Jorge is not a lifelong Yankee. What would they be willing to give Posada if they didn’t have that so-called “loyalty” factor to deal with? They have no catching prospects and there are no better catchers on the market. Forget sentimentality. They need Jorge, and because of the situation this particular off-season, he should get whatever the market will allow, and that’s going to be a lot.
Wow– great post G. Love…
I have been against giving up Cano until now.
You may have swung me to the dark side.
If they could give Cano, and a mid tier pitcher, Karstens, et al, and not trade one of the big three, that is intriguing.
Is Cano cool and well loved and respected by the fans? Yes.
But by trading him and two mid-tier Pitching Prospects, Jeff Karstens, Humberto Sanchez, for example for Johan, and then, like you say, flipping Hughes and, say, Melky Cabrera and an Alan Horne, for Miguel Cabrera would be sick.
Sign a CF, such as Torii or Rowand for low years, high cash, (3 or 4 years, $45-$60M) and maybe sign Orlando Hudson to battle Wilson Betemit for 2B?
Starting Rotation for 08:
Johan, Wang, Joba, Mussina, Kennedy.
Lineup
1.Damon LF L
2.Jeter SS R
3.Abreu RF L
4.Cabrera 3B R
5.Hunter CF R
6.Posada C S
7.Matsui/ Giambi DH (Both) L
8.Giambi/ Duncan 1B (G-L, D-R)
9.Betemit/ Hudson 2B (B-S, H-R)
That seems like a scary team. The question is, will the trade proposals work?
Orlando Hudson is not a free agent, he is still eligble for arbitration
jorge is doing a sick job on his apt. just bought the one below mine. its another 3 BR. he started construction – leads me to believe he is a re-signing.
or signing with Omar…….
Posada may be the best FA catcher available and that by far, but you just can’t negotiate with “I need him at any price” position. You just can’t give him the $$ to keep him on your team. Sorry even the Yankees aren’t minting franklins.
I don’t go more than 3 years with PO, anything more than that let the buyer beware, but the Yankees don’t have to be the fools.
SJ44
I have no problem with the players getting all they can but that doesn’t mean that they are not being overpaid. If the Yankees are willing to go there, more power to them.
If the Yanks can swing a Santana trade and get him to work on an extension, if I was his agent, I’m starting the negotiation at 28 million per year. I would be sure to remind Cashman that Johan is a better investment at the same price that he was willing to pay a 44 year old pitcher.
And thats a team that is built to contend now and for the future.
Minus Mussina after ’08, our rotation would be set for at least four or five years.
And the lineup… In one year Abreu is gone, making way for Action Jackson or Jose Tabata.
And after two seasons, both Damon and Matsui will be gone, making room for a poss free agent acquisition of a young, prime OF– free agents for 09 (excluding poss extensions) include Matt Holliday and Carl Crawford, to name a few.
Keep fatty the fish in shape and 3B/DH slot would be set for a decade, he’s 24. I bet Girardi would ride him like a drill seargent.
Lets go way into the future… Mark Texieria will definately test the free agent market in 09, especially with you-know-who as his agent.
And when ol’ man Jeter finally calls it a day, hello Hanley…
But thats way, way down a road I’m not ready to travel yet. Derek Jeter Day at Yankees Stadium. Jesus…
Really, he hasn’t been in five years yet? Gosh- I thought he was with TOR longer than he was then. Thought he came up in 02…
Who knows. By tomorrow Mike Lowell may become available again. If Lowell is still in play, I would think the Yankees are going to at least kick the tires.
The problem with the scenarios that trade away position players like Melky and Cabrera is that you’re assuming you can land a very good outfielder or infield option. It’s not like Hank’s going to call up Cashman and say, “Uhh, I accidentally let it slip to the media that I’ve given up Melky and Robbie for Santana. Can you stop by the market and get me a Hunter and someone to play the infield?”
B
November 12th, 2007 at 4:50 pm
Was Joba on the MLB roster for more than 45 days? If so, he’s not eligible either.
He was on more than 45 days, but, not before the expanded rosters and that’s part of the regulations governing rookie eligibility.
The only way Cano can go in a deal with Minnesota is if the Yankees can get Rolen for mid-level prospects and Freddy Sanchez from the Pirates to be the 2nd baseman. Filling one hole (Santana) and creating another (Cano) makes no sense.