Posada has his deal: 4 years/$52 million
-
- November
- 12
The Daily News is reporting that Jorge Posada has agreed to a four-year deal worth $52 million. Working on getting confirmation of that.
This makes sense in that $13 million is what they gave Hideki Matsui and Johnny Damon when they signed.
UPDATE, 11:19 p.m.: It has been confirmed. It’s actually $52.4 million. Funny how that’s what the Levinsons want for Lowell, too. You can connect the dots with these things quite often.
So Posada gets what he wants, an average annual value of $13.1 million. That nudges him north of Damon and Matsui and makes him one of the highest paid players on the team, as well he should be.
Rivera was in the Dominican Republic today but is supposedly on his way home. I would expect his deal to get done in the next 24-36 hours.
This entry was posted
on Monday, November 12th, 2007 at 10:52 pm by Peter Abraham.
You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed.
Share and Enjoy: 
| 
Print This Post
| 
Email This Post
man, you’re quick! i just read that and i bet to myself that it was already posted here
four years… egads… someone better hope he can transition to 1b … better get Mattingly back.
HIP HIP…....someone finish this off please
Read it on Rotoworld at 10.49 and Pete had it three minutes later.
This is absolutely fantastic. The Yankees could not afford to lose Jorgie.
JORGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
Nice, Mo is next, then Johan!!!
jorGE!!!!!!!
I had some reservations about four years at first, but it looks pretty good now. This gives the Yankees some extra time to develop another catcher in the Minors. Jorge has been durable and he definitely earned this kind of deal with his performance this year. Now they can get Mo signed and then they can figure out their bullpen and find a third baseman.
Finally, the Yankees can look towards next season knowing they have a great catcher that can really help our young pitching staff. Cash is probably so happy lol.
4 years is too much, but there was no other alternative out there. Now trade for Tejada if you don’t have to give up any top pitching prospects for 2 years, and sign Rivera and some more bullpen help.
JORGE!!
OMG I’m so excited Po is a good guy. I bet he can get even more from the Mets but Georgie you the man!
yeeha! happy to have jorge back, no matter the cost.
Yeah, let’s sign every player over 35 to a four year $52 million deal because they made previous bad deals.
hopefully this will entice pettite to come back
So much for no deals tonight.
thank god. Any word on Mo? I always figured he’d sign first.
hip hip !!!!!
If you people like this deal, give Hank and Hal credit. They got it done.
Did the Yankees overpay? Absolutely, but they only have themselves to blame for failing to cultivate Posada’s succesor. They had 7 yrs. to do it. Now they’re paying for it, literally.
The 4th year may be too much, but it’s Jorge…he deserved it. Seeing all the money wasted on Pavano, etc., Jorge deserves to get his. He actually contributes.
Pete
Did Jorge get a $4 million dollar contract buyout for 2008 on top of the $52 million?
They better get him a 1st baseman’s glove. Either that or teach him to DH by year 4. Still it’s an important signing for the Yankees. Congrats Jorge and Cashman, it’s good for a team to have a catcher.
dammit
HIP HIP !!!!
Why I’m not worried about four years:
This is the American League. The DH is the most wonderful invention known to mankind.
If Jorge can play 1B/DH/backup catcher and mentor a rookie catcher in his fourth year, he’ll be well worth it. Hope Molina comes back next year also.
This is good news although many will scream and cry about the fourth year. Sorry, if the guy is worth hiring for three years, it’s hard to believe he’ll be a crippling albatross in the fourth. Particularly a guy who’s widely thought to be a promising future coach.
3yrs/42M with a $10M 4th yr as a backup C/DH role (as a thank you).
YAH BABY!!!! If Jorge can convince Andy to come back it will be worth it even more. Don’t discount that possibility….
I SAID AND SOMEONE BETTER FINISH IT ..
HIP HIP !!!!
49 yr old dh… no – I’m not nervous.
Too long and too much, but there was no other way – we can’t afford to open up anymore holes so it had to be done. Now sign Mo and Andy will probably become more inclined to come back. Then we can concentrate on filling 3B and some more competent relievers.
I’m excited for 2008 and maybe 2009.
But, the rational side of me says that signing a 36 year old catcher for 4 years isn’t exactly prudent. Po lucked out that there aren’t any good alternatives at least for next year.
Billabong,
Hope you learned your lesson, fool.
To the rest,
This contract may be longer than what is optimal. But consider it a well earned reward for all he has brought to the table. The clubhouse needs stability. If in the fourth year it turns out we are massively overpaying, so be it. Consider it bonus money. And for those of you who need everything justified in “business” terms, baseball isn’t only about the accomplishment of championships and the creation of revenue, it is also about the weaving of a narrative, the telling of a story. This yarn feels satisfying, even if it unravels at the end.
40 – it’s late… typing impossible.
Great news! I don’t even mind the extra year. If the last year is a waste, then so be it. I would rather that money go to Jorge as a backup than have it go to someone like Carl Pavano.
Cashman’s first piece of business this winter – draft a freakin’ catching prospect!!
Like I said, dont think that Jorge staying wont play some part in Andy Petitte’s decision making process. He may retire anyway, but he’d have been more likely to had Jorge left.
I SAID AND SOMEONE BETTER FINISH IT .. I can go all night
HIP HIP !!!!
I don’t mind the 4 years. I figure Jorge will be prime for another 2 years, 3 if we’re lucky.
Then he’ll DH and continue to add a lot of value as a mentor/leader/morale booster in the clubhouse. And he is and will now remain a career Yankee to take us to the new stadium. All that and I think our chance of signing back Andy just got a little bit better.
All these factors to me is worth an extra $10mil from the richest team in the league which has overspent much more on guys we hardly knew (Yes again, Igawa)
Cash and Hank better get working on signing Molina pronto. We can’t afford going through another year of inadequate back-up catchers who are useless in spelling Posada. God knows we need somebody good to spell the 36-40 year old Posada.
Jorge’s signing can be topped off by signing Mo and Jose Molina to make it a good week’s work. This solves the catching and closer questions and move on to the other big needs of a 3rd baseman, Andy’s return, some middle relief and possibly another starter.
The wheels are in motion ….
JORGE!!!!!
the grumpy one is BACK !
Just for you Brandon…
JORGE!!!!!!!
as long as Jorge plays better than Alex Smith…. man that guy is terrible.
thank you Pat
Jorge doesn’t have the typical power production for a DH, though I guess he would suffice. Most likely, his offense will decline somewhat and this would obviate transitioning to DH. Move on to Mo now and try to pry away Tejada. Also, it is extremely important to sign Molina now, without Torre managing a backup can play more than a handfull of games and save some of Posada’s legs and keep his bat live.
They have good catching prospects, just not for 2008 or probably 2009. Cervelli and Montero are their names I believe. Plus they probably drafted a few new ones in 07 that I don’t know about.
Jorge has an insane workout routine and has thus far been very durable. I see no reason that he can’t play out his career as a full time catcher. Pudge Fisk was catching 120+ games a season deep into his fourties. Though I won’t dispute that it’s time to develop a replacement. Great news!!!
thank you too Kristin
Sunny,
Someone in the previous thread wrote that Jesus Montero is 3-4 years away. On the other hand, there’s lots of folks been waining on Jesus for a lot longer than that.
where is SJ to tell us how the Yankees just doomed the franchise for decades with another horrific contract? j/k SJ
-Brandon
HOORAY!!!
Hooray?????
Oh ye of little faith!
jonnycat, you beat me to it.
Its weird that no other website has this info besides Daily News. I hope its true and not premature.
I tis on ESPN as well
Also we have cathcing [prospects they are just young 4 years if they work out should be about right
btw Jesus Montero caught his first game today, 7 SB attempted vs him, he threw out 4 baserunners
4 yrs. is to much. I hope all you people applaud the yankee gravy train(overpay old players in yrs and amount) will remember your glee of this signing in 2 yrs..
4 yrs. the guy is a 36 yr old catcher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
maybe by the time he is 40 he will learn how to run the bases!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOORAY!!!
Hooray ? lets help Jonnycat here
HIP HIP !!!
Sigh, too long. Really hope there’s a buyout for the 4th year. Still, DHing is always a possibility with Giambi gone.
After Molina and Mo (hopefully) we need to take care of 3b.
I know he’s not ideal, but we can supposedly get Tejada without giving up our biggest prospects, including Hughes and Joba.
THEN we need to go after Santana with passion. Here’s where you offer one “big” arm like Hughes, Tabata (hate to lose him) and another played not named Joba or Austin Jackson.
If for no other reason we get 4 more years of staring at Jorge’s wife….smoke!!!!
Given the money the team has unfortunately wasted on some folks over the past several years, at least with this deal it is going to a player who truly deserves it and truly has earned it. I can rest easy that Jorge grew up and now will always be a Yankee. There is something to be said for team loyalty in this day and age where some guys change teams almost as often as they change socks. Yeah, it money and that may talk louder than team loyalty, but you can’t overlook the timing of this deal – BEFORE he goes and tests the waters.
Stuart,
The worst Yankee mistakes in recent history have little to do with age:
Pavano
Igawa
Giambi
Weaver
Mo, Johan then A-Fraud comes crawling back …
I had it at 10:40
In fairness, the Yankees and Jorge can make the point that at 36 Jorge doesn’t have as much wear and tear as a normal catcher would, being that he played infield until he got to the minors. Good news is that Giambi is off the payroll after this year, a line most Yankee fans have wanted to hear for about 4 years.
“Cashman’s first piece of business this winter – draft a freakin’ catching prospect!!”
Romine
Montero
Cervelli
Anson
Weems
and the draft is in June.
And for Brandon – JORGE!!!!!!
Who cares how long his contract is? This is the team that paid $40 million from Carl Pavano. Carl Pavano? And they ate every penny without even blinking.
Four years to groom another catcher…OK, so it’s not three, but then again we all thought that Posada’s 07 option would never vest when he signed his contract in 02.
I hear ya. But, I once wanted A-Rod to come crawling back, but now I’d love to use some of that money to offer Johan a nice extension if we are lucky enough to land him.
stuart, in 2 years, catchers of posada’s caliber will be getting at least this much or more. did the sox overpay for varitek? of course. but he was their team leader, just as jorge is for the yanks.
also. player salaries are on the rise. i agree 4 years is too much for anybody not named posada. he is a key piece to this team and they really need him as part of the transition from old to new. if he hits for just 2 years and then bottoms out, it would still be worth it in my opinion. unless you want to concede 08 and 09, i think they had to have him. and if he helps bring andy back, even better.
thanks Lori, take note JC
the thing with the twins is that they really DO NOT need young pitching, they need position guys. Thats why you were hearing that they wanted Robbie.
Also I wouldn’t trade Hughes, I’m not convinced that Joba will be better than him.
To what Lori said, AMEN!
And to all the people who are doubting the four year contract just remember this. Who would you rather pay…Jorge Posada at 41 years old and 13 million or Carl Pavano at any age and 10 million. So if we have to pay him when he isn’t exactly at the prime of his career…hasn’t he earned it? If Carl Pavano did…Jorge certaintly has…
mow Rivera needs to sign, who knows what happens after that
now Rivera needs to sign, who knows what happens after that
I only care if the Yankees, in the future, don’t go after somebody big because they have too much money tied into players like Posada – old, and possibly brken down by that time.
Remember, we didn’t get Beltran, supposedly because Cashman didn’t want to go over budget, whatever that means in Yankeeland.
I still think Pavano could be a good pitcher if he stays HEALTHY…but that is the key. Unfortunately, he has been unable to do that and after Tommy John he is done for this year anyway. I don’t like the four years and if you look at Jorge’s stats before this years ridiculous stats, it makes you wonder. There is no way he keeps up this years performance, but I don’t mind seeing his wife on YES.
put alex smith out of his misery
Is Pavano an organ donor? Maybe we can take some of those and stash them away in case someone ever needs a kidney. Might as well get something for that 40 mill.
HIP
For Brandon –
JOOORRRRRRGEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HIP!!
Bad move going 4 years, now we will be stuck with a .270/15/75 hitter at first base for 2 of his 4 years.
JORGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JMAC, I agree. Pavano is a pretty good pitcher when he pitches. I would almost put money on it that if he signed with Atlanta or a small market NL team for 09, he’ll be pretty good. It just wasnt meant to be in NY.
Paul9, those numbers would still be better than Varitek. nobody is complaining in boston.
posada is a leader. you arent seeing that value in his stats. but its there. and its worth every penny in my opinion.
so anyone think forget Molina lets go after Torrealba ?
Whew! Okay, so far so good this off-season.
There are things the Yankees have done this off-season that you could question:
1.) Hiring Girardi
2.) Letting A-Rod walk
But here’s the list of slam-dunks:
1.) Snatching up Posada
2.) Hanging on to Mo.
I absolutely would not question hiring Girardi.
That’s not fair.
Cashman should have broken the news here, the most popular of Yankee fan sites.
Posada’s deal is for $52.4m. Now I get it…Pudge’s option was for $13m so that is the Yanks way of still making Posada the highest paid catcher. I guess that kind of stuff is really important to a player these days..
I have officially lost all confidence in any Yankee fan who can say Carl Pavano is even a decent pitcher. He is a Ferrari driving wannabe womanizer with a penchant for pansyness.
4yrs/52.4M
i wonder if the .4M was so he’d make more than matsui and damon? interesting
Should have said Ferrari wrecking…sorry
yr. 4 we turn Posada into a DH/1B looks good to me
HIP HIP JORGE!!!
glad to see that’s done. good work on everyone’s part. now let’s get Mo signed up.
Why is it that Jeter is the only Yankee with reference to whom we hear the term “intangibles”? Posada’s got them in spades…not to mention hearts, diamonds and clubs. He’s got character, heart, grit, integrity, leadership, drive. Even if his durability slips, those things make this gamble (and EVERY contract is a gamble) that much more attractive. I’d rather have them gamble on Jorge than most other players. The baseball and business arguments are there. These factors count as well.
sunny615, don’t pay much attention to the Yankee minor league system, do ya?
Ditto. If anything, that might turn out to be one of the better moves the Yanks make this year.
Mark McCray, prepare to look like a fool when Pavano is an above average pitcher in the NL in a couple years. he is a complete bust in NY. but there is a reason a ton of teams wanted him. he can actually pitch. just watch the painful 2003 World Series and get back to me.
Pavano was good before coming to the Yanks and was considered a proven postseason pitcher. A string of bad luck and then bad attitude brought him down. I don’t think he would have been as good as he was in the NL, but he would have been a solid number 3 if he stayed healthy. This point is moot however.
ok. you are right. the length is too long but of course they have made much bigger blunders.
after the 2008 season bye bye; moose, kyle, giambi, pavano, abreu, and pettitte(who I think will etire this yr.) that is $78 mill…..
I don’t even consider Pavano a pitcher anymore. Same as I no longer consider Michael Jackson a musician.
I was falling asleep when I heard the Yankees made a big splash and I knew it had to be Jorge. I’m so glad he is back.
See he wanted to stay a Yankee. He began his career a Yankee and will finish it. Hopefully he will get himself a monument. 
even Don Zimmer, who pretty much despises the Steinbrenner Yanks, and loves Torre, thinks the Girardi signing was a great move.
“the grumpy one is BACK !”
Farnsworth never left.
Phil, Jesus Montero aka the best upcoming RHB beast catcher in the Yankee system was gun downed 4 baserunners today
Bad move going 4 years, now we will be stuck with a .270/15/75 hitter at first base for 2 of his 4 years.
Totally agree but the Yankees had no choice. They had to stop the bleeding this offseason and their catching situation is not so good. Posada had the Yanks by the balls.
Phil, Jesus Montero aka the best upcoming RHB beast catcher in the Yankee system gun downed 4 baserunners today
woops too excited
Boston Dave. Go back to Boston and root for Carl Pavano and the Red Sox. They would both be happy to have you as a fan. I invite you to come to my website and bust me out on that when it happens. Maybe we could come up with some kind of wager
Dee, that’s fine. but some team will be happy to sign him in 2009 if he’s healthy. i know that is a big IF. but there is a difference between not being able to stay healthy and not being able to play.
Speaking of Lowell, it looks like Boston’s failed to sign him to a 3 year deal. What’s everybody’s thoughts on offering the guy a 4 year contract? Personally I’d be a little reluctant to do so, but man is the market bare this year.
He’s worth it.
boooooooooooooooo!!! Now imagine signing Mo for 3 yrs. By the time he’s 41, I doubt he could even lift his right arm.
BiG mIsTAkE.
I always said 4 years was too much, and in 2011 he’ll be overpriced as a mediocre DH, but this had to be done. Like I’ve said, you can’t survive a 200+ point OPS hit at TWO positions.
Anyway, if you like, think of it like this:
2008 – worth ~$16-17M
2009 – worth ~$13M
2010 – worth ~$10M
2011 – worth ~$3M
That’s about $43M, and I think the extra $9M is worth it just in terms of not losing his bat for 2008.
Mark, why and how would I “go back” to Boston? I live here you tool. but i guess since you lack an argument, you need to resort to that. its all good.
everybody say it with me now (even though I see you all already said it a bunch of times, bears repeating
)
HIP HIP…................
.........JORGE!!!!!!!
W00t!!!!! Big load off my mind. Great news for the team and soooo happy Jorge is a Yankee for life, he will go out in pinstripes AS IT SHOULD BE!
Phil, in your response to sunny, if you’re implying that Montero is the answer, well, we shall see. many scouts see him slotted elsewhere on the diamond. And don’t forget, Navarro was supposed to be a formidable heir apparent, but he’s not exactly the second coming of Yogi Berra.
haha, thanks brandon… i’m learning a bit everyday. BTW, how do you copy/capture someone else’s comment in an inset box like that?
thanks
Sorry, but, one more time. HIP HIP…..JORGE!!!!!
Not really Boston Dave. Carl Pavano found out what it is like to make 10 million dollars a year and only have to pitch in 36 games. Ask Brian Cashman what he thinks of Carl Pavano and I am pretty sure he will tell you the same thing I am.
Boston Dave –
I know, you’re being rational and I’m just being delirious, because JORGE IS BACK Y’ALL!
But seriously I know what you’re saying, I actually would want Carl to show more signs of life so someone out there will want to trade for him and get him off our books.
I would only do 3/39 for Lowell. Otherwise i’d make a trade for another 3rd baseman.
blockquote in these
Not to rain on our parade (and contradict the praise of this deal I posted above), but Posada was probably the 2nd or 3rd most responsible Yankee for this season’s playoff loss. Hopefully it was an aberration.
Haha. Yeah Dee, I guess that maybe I SHOULD root for Pavano so we can get rid of the “Mistake” or the “Error” as he has commonly been called.
I get to rub this in my co-workers face tomorrow!! He kept saying Jorge might go to the Mets I insisted it would be the Yankees!!
no F’ LOWELL !!!!
Speaking of Lowell, it looks like Boston’s failed to sign him to a 3 year deal. What’s everybody’s thoughts on offering the guy a 4 year contract? Personally I’d be a little reluctant to do so, but man is the market bare this year.
Horrible idea. I’m sure it’s been mentioned a billion times on this blog but signing a soon to be 34 year old 3rd baseman to 4 or a Yankee 5 years is a ticking time bomb. Can’t forget to mention that his Home/Away Splits are disgusting. He’s an aging product of Fenway whos going to cash in big.
Hopefully the Yankees learned their mistake with Damon.
No to Lowell, at least offensively. His numbers out of Fenway aren’t impressive at all.
Mark – I dont care what Pavano does outside of a Yankee uniform. Though not surprising, you have failed to understand my point. The point was, don’t confuse not being able to stay healthy with not being able to play. I realize Pavano has become a joke but he is the same guy who shut down the potent Yankees lineup in 2003 and had a great year in 2004. just because he cant keep his buttocks from being strained doesnt take that away. I guess using your logic Adrian Peterson stinks too. that bum.
Yeah, and same can be said about Soriano the year he got traded and look how great he’s turned out to be.
I just heard something about A-rod, buts from someone who told someone who told someone….
so I dont know if I should really start a rumor.
While I don’t agree with the 4th year and think Jorge will not contribute much then, this is a good thing that happened. He’s the best C available and it’s good to know he’ll retire a Yankee. It should be no other way.
Hopefully, now all you will stop referring to him as “Po”. Nothing has been more annoying than wading through post after post of that.
Ducky, great point. And yes, personally I wouldn’t go past 3 years either.
Sox supposedly offered Lowell 3/42.
How is this for a scenario. In just a few short months JOBA CHAMBERLAIN will be taking the mound to pitch to JORGE POSADA as a starter next season
:-) 
Will Theo draw a line in the sand with Lowell and balk at a 4th year?
Who do they have lined up to replace him?
Surpised it took Pete this long to report this.Crappy blogs got this reported before he did.
Also yes Posada was bad in the playoffs but Derek Jeter was worse.All he had over A-Rod was playing in the clutch in the regular season which he did but not better then A-rod.And in the playoffs which is the only reason why he gets paid $18 million.3 double plays and 8 men left on base BS to that.
...and JOE GIRARDI will be coaching them!!!!! YESSSSSSS
Pavano? He had that one decent year in 2004. Otherwise, you’re talking about a pitcher with a WHIP in the 1.40 – 1.45 neighborhood.
He is NOT anywhere near an elite pitcher.
Thanks McCray. That just made my winter that much longer.
Miller-
Go ahead. This is a blog. We’ll take it with a grain of salt.
Mark – maybe not if they dont sign Mo… gotta get him signed so Joba can definitely start. I think it’s a safe bet but who knows.
Pat than I hope the Yankees pass. I hear they are interested in the third baseman from the Pirates, go after him, hopefully you can get him cheap.
Any how off to bed have to get up early for work. Night all.
Torre, apparently internally with Youkilis switching or some kids named Chris Carter and Jed Lowrie
Mo will not be leaving now that Jorge is back—always a chance but slim to none.
Miller
Go for it. This blog is built on rumor, innuendo and hearsay.
This as posted earlier, this guy was almost right on, so maybe he did have the scoop.
Hey guys – this is a great night for all Yankees fans, so for once let’s all get along.
I’m heading to bed for some sweet yankee dreams. Number 27 Y’ALL!!
Ducky, are you pulling “elite” out of your a$$? who said elite? i said above average. what is an average ERA? I dunno 4.5? and ask the yankees about the 2003 world series. point is, pavano with NY has been a joke. but IF (yes, big IF), he could actually stay healthy, he wouldnt be all that bad.
Comparing this salary to Hideki and Damon is stupid…since neither were 36 and neither were catchers on the downside of their career. Look at Jorge’s stats before this year, very pedestrian. This was Cashman overpaying for not signing him early to an extension. His gamble was that he would keep sliding and have a crummy year, but he bucked the trend. I do not expect him to repeat his stats from last year, but he should be worth the money for at least 2 years and the Yankees are one of the few teams that can afford a 13 million dollar backup in his last two years.
OK well take this with a grain of salt. Again TAKE THIS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.
But I have a friend who works with agent Peter Greenberg and he has heard the A-Rod was so mad of the way Boras handled this whole situation that he went behind Boras’ back and is negotiating a deal with Cashman that could come as early as tomorrow. Its 10 years, 27.2 a year with incentive clauses. Those incentives being more money when he hits 600, 650 and then passes Babe, Hank and Bonds…
ok once again… PLEASE DO NOT SHOOT THE MESSENGER. IM NOT SAYING I BELIEVE I AM JUST PASSING IT ALONG.
JMAC, its not stupid to compare but i agree with your points. contract values are on the rise also. and you cant undervalue his leadership (similar to varitek for the sox when they gave him 4/48M to hit .250).
You are all very very wrong about Carl Pavano…
Very wrong…
He wreaked a Porsche, not a Ferarri.
But I have a friend who works with agent Peter Greenberg and he has heard the A-Rod was so mad of the way Boras handled this whole situation that he went behind Boras’ back and is negotiating a deal with Cashman that could come as early as tomorrow. Its 10 years, 27.2 a year with incentive clauses. Those incentives being more money when he hits 600, 650 and then passes Babe, Hank and Bonds…
ok once again… PLEASE DO NOT SHOOT THE MESSENGER. IM NOT SAYING I BELIEVE I AM JUST PASSING IT ALONG.
don’t play w/ me man
Fox’s Duke Castiglione last night said the Yankees were going to offer Lowell 4/60 million at midnight tonight
Miller – I find it hard to believe… but I personally would love that. I hope you’re right…
and I hope all the ARod haters in here are ready to swallow their pride and admit they were hasty in their judgement (at least some of their judgement).
Miller-
thanks.
not sure if that’s fits, though.
I believe the Lowell offer from the Sox is a smokescreen to them now signing Arod. I’ve thought from the beginning that they had a deal in place with Boras before the opt out was announced.
They offer Lowell a below market extension that he can’t accept and now they announce they are moving on and looking at every available option. Arod should be wearing a Boston hat and jersey by X-mas.
The Red Sox and Boras play dirty. They did it last year with Drew and I fully expect them to do it this year with Arod. This a group of people who think they are all bigger and smarter than the game.
Lowell is 32. There is no good reason why they couldn’t offer him a 4th season. It’s not like he’s going to be 50 in year 4.
I wouldn’t be surprised…I know someone who is loosely related to someone in the Yankees front office and he suggested that as a possibility. Again, this news is merely conjecture and with no facts or basis behind it, but nothing would surprise me with A-Rod and if you read those articles about how the Yankees were willing to get close to the 300 million with everything combined and that no team is even talking near that point, a 10yr 270 would be that 10 year 290 with the 20 that Texas was supposed to be thrown in…in otherword it would be the same deal.
Carl Pavano over 9 seasons was 62-64 with a 4.2 ERA. Chien-Ming Wang in 3 seasons with the Yankees is 46-18 with a 3.7 ERA. Granted Pavano did pitch for the Marlins but as I remember they were pretty good that year.
YANKEE FANS:
I am not telling you to believe this or not. All I am saying is defintly keep your ears open in the next couple days.
Miller
ARod was apparentlt seen at Atlantis betting $1000 blackjack last weekend. So where is he negotiating his new contract?
Who is giving ARod a 10 year deal???
james, that is insane… i love mike lowell but i think thats a wee bit much. it would be sort of funny just for the “piss off the sox fans” factor. the sox offer of 3yrs/36-45M is on target and anybody who pays more might regret it.
Miller, Greenberg and in Johan’s agent? Tell your friend to convince him that Johan should come to NY no matter where he is traded (if he’s traded elsewhere).
Anyway, I’m not saying you’re making this up, but I’d be totally shocked if that happens. BTW, do you post here often as Miller? (This might help in legitimizing this rumor).
CASHMAN SAY NO TO LOWELL !!!
Would be something wouldn’t though? An All-Star goes behind his greedy agent to stay with the team he sopposedly loved.
Has a certain ring to it…
Miller –
Thanks for the responsible grain of salt warning…
If that is true I would take Arod back. This coming from the born-again Arod hater. I never booed the guys once, I cheered so loudly at the april game when he hit the bottom of the 9th grand slam that I lost my voice for 2 days after. But now I hate the guy.
If he really has the guts to go against Boras, good, c’mon back. But somehow I doubt he does. I get the impression he’s a superb althlete but heartless, soul-less and gut-less.
Brandon,
I know, he’s destroying that league. With Cervelli, Anson, Montero, Romine, Weems, Arcia and the others we’re gonna be in really good shape at C starting in a year or two and going for a long time.
Miller
That grain of salt would need to be on the rim of a glass filled with a very large margarita. Would love for it to be true but seems unlikely.
Ducky,
I wouldnt say Im in the ranks of posters such as yourself, or SOS or hmmm
but yes I post in here quite a bit.
I believe the Lowell offer from the Sox is a smokescreen to them now signing Arod. I’ve thought from the beginning that they had a deal in place with Boras before the opt out was announced.
They offer Lowell a below market extension that he can’t accept and now they announce they are moving on and looking at every available option. Arod should be wearing a Boston hat and jersey by X-mas.
The Red Sox and Boras play dirty. They did it last year with Drew and I fully expect them to do it this year with Arod. This a group of people who think they are all bigger and smarter than the game.
Lowell is 32. There is no good reason why they couldn’t offer him a 4th season. It’s not like he’s going to be 50 in year 4.
BINGO. I believe you’re spot on, G Love.
Boston Dave I don’t disagree that its high. Duke threw it out there right at the end of his weekend sports show and said that its what a High ranking Yankee official told him.
Phil, yup
Carl Pavano in 8 games started in the Postseason:
3-0 1.40 2 0 0 0 19.1 IP 15 K’s
Isn’t this the only season that matters?
Guys please don’t shoot down Miller the messager. He gave us plenty of RUMORS warnings.
I’m surprised I didn’t hear repeated anywhere, I’m also surprised he didn’t make a bigger deal out of it.
Ducky,
but yes I post in here quite a bit.
Thanks, Miller (I’m fairly new here myself). I get a good sense that you’re being straightforward with us.
I HOPE this happens. It will eliminate our giving up players to replace A-Rod and use them to go after Johan instead.
The idea that the Yankees would offer Alex incentives based on home run plateaus is beyond ridiculous. Why is the world would you want a player trying to hit home runs?
Meanwhile, to the cretin to keeps trying to post with his name being a curse word: You’re getting caught in the filter. Figure it out, Einstein.
I love all these Alex rumors. I hate to break it to you but he’s with Boras and he will do what Boras suggests he does. If he really wanted to stay with the Yankees, he would have taken their calls. He didn’t. Case closed, end of story.
It’s not happening.
thank you JMAC…. and I don’t think anybody called Pavano elite. just that when he actually pitches he’s pretty good.
lowell at 4 yrs $60 mill is idiotic. and about the arod rumor, we do not want him back at any pirce…
arod leave, PLEASE…
Hey, if what Miller says comes true I nominate Miller to start his own blog! I’ll be the first to join!
4/60 to Lowell???! Please let THAT be the crazu rumor.
Cash please don’t. You recommended Girardi, and now you resigned Jorge, your stocks are up. Don’t do anything stupid to give your credibility all back again.
Pete:
I just thought I would pass along some informatiion that I heard first hand from someone I know personally in the business. Is that irresponisble reporting, most likely, but I still believe Yankee fans had the right to know.
I believe you are right when you say he is with Boras, I just hope that this rumor has some validity to it, thats all.
Okay, midnight is passed. Free agents are free to sign.
Pete have you ever been wrong ?
4 years/ 60 million to Lowell is ridiculous. Wasn’t this the guy that was a throw-in/washed up 3B that the Bosox were FORCED to take from the Marlins to make the Beckett deal happen? He is nothing without that LF wall 3 feet away.
lowell for 4/40 is decent. the extra 20M is almost worth it as an FU to Boston…. almost. can we settle on 4/48?
I love the rumor, Miller, but I’m just not buying into it.
Arod has gone this far down the rabbit hole with Boras and Boras is such a master at what he does, I think without a doubt that he’s got Arod committed to the plan.
Even if the plan changes and they end up taking less than what the Yankees could have offered, it’ll still sound like it was what Arod and Boras wanted all along.
Boras isn’t Jerry Maguire. He’s not going to lose Kush on the night before the draft.
Boras is Bob Sugar.
I was skeptical about Rodriguez being mad at Boras, because he is definitely smart enough to know that you don’t bite the hand that feeds you, and Scott Boras is invariably the hand that feeds Alex Rodriguez. Boras is the man who Rodriguez ultimately trusts, he has always been able to secure top dollar contracts for Rodriguez, and Rodriguez isn’t going to switch agents just because of some bad publicity with how the opt out was handled. Alex knows not to mess with Boras’s formula, the formula that will give him another gargantuan contract.
G Love, do you mean Bob Sagat?
Bor-RRRRat is Al Sharpton
Let’s move on from the Carl Pavano thing. Joel Sherman does a pretty good job explaining why Carl Pavano is a blob. I’ll let him tell you since its getting late and I have been writing a research paper on Japanese Baseball all day.
“So for a four-year, $39.95 million contract, the Yanks would have received 19 starts and a load of headaches and heartaches from the brittle Pavano. He went 5-6 as a Yankee with a 4.77 ERA. He had as many wins in four years as a Yankee as reliever Luis Vizcaino did in the four weeks from to June 22-July 21 last year.”
Pete, I’d be surprised if A-Rod doesn’t already have a deal in place – possibly with the Sox.
BUT…big BUT..if he doesn’t, then I don’t see any team coming close to what the Yanks offered. At that point, it isn’t beyond Boras to have A-Rod come crawling back to the Yanks, telling them how he never wanted to depart. This saves Boras some face, makes Alex more sympathetic to naive fans, and all is well.
I hate sappy movies like Jerry Maguire.
“you had me at blah..blah..blah”
“you complete my a$z..blah..blah”
Alright Im going to bed. With Mo flying in from DR this week should be interesting enough.
See you all at 9am when I get to my crappy job. Night all.
Boston Dave—I meant Bob Sugar. Rent JERRY MAGUIRE and you’ll get the reference.
4/52 seems to be Cashman’s lucky number. He could just lob that one at Lowell too.
Miller:
Did you ever wonder.. what if you worked for a sports agent and had a friend that kept breaking your shoes to get inside info. What would be the best way to get that guy off your back? Answer: Feed them a real stinker and let them repeat it.
Miller,
Boras represents man ball players. I doubt Cashman is going to go behind his back. For Cashman, it would be easier to tell A-Rod to direct Boras to negotiate his contract. Remember Cashman is a professional.
PLEASE NO TO LOWELL
PLEASE NO TO LOWELL
PLEASE NO TO LOWELL
PLEASE NO TO LOWELL
Mark – such simple concepts yet so hard for you to grasp…
Dr. Acula
Where have you been??
i know G.Love, though I have no intention of ever watching it again
I think Peter needs to get a chatroom on this site. The people need to voice their opinions!!!
nite all… jorge down, mo and petitte to go
Haha. Boston Dave. It is okay. I am just arguing to argue at this point. Carl Pavano was a decent pitcher. I will give you that. But I tend to look through a pinstriped lens and you know what when I look at Pavano with it—well…he just keeps turning into a heap of garbage. I can’t help it. Sorry.
Ed
I find the rumor unlikely but the Yankees were looking to get a face to face with A-Rod before the opt out to negate the Boras factor. The Yankees have negotiated contracts directly with players before so I don’t think that would be Cashman’s call to make.
Dr Acula:
Agree with Senor Biancalana. I was about to call the cops.
Yes, when I look at Pavano as a Yankee…I see a piece of garbage. Luckily that image of him in a Yankee uniform is over.
Mark, no argument there. i just know that some team is going to benefit from the complete mess that he was/is in NY and get him for a 90% discount. i guess its no different than matt clement, jaret wright (gulp), etc etc…
“Lowell is 32. There is no good reason why they couldn’t offer him a 4th season. It’s not like he’s going to be 50 in year 4.”
G. Love:
Lowell is NOT 32. He’s 33, and will be 34 in February. He’s past his prime. A 4 year deal for him is EXACTLY the kind of thing that got the Yanks where they are now. Jorge had a legit good year. Lowell had a Fenway-caused good year (much like Rowand’s year caused by playing in the bandbox in Phillie). Signing Jorge to this deal is OK – as long as the Yanks don’t sign MORE players who’ll need to be a DH in 2010.
Just say no to Mike Lowell. He WOULD be a burden at the end of a long deal. And I’m sure he’ll demand a no-trade as well, and that would be just awful.
what about the fat toad
murphydog,
Good point, but I’ll play devil’s advocate. What if this were true and the A-Rod/Boras tandem are getting shut out (personally I think a deal with the Sox is already in place).
Do you not think that Boras would orchestrate something like that? He’ll willingly play the bad cop with Cashman, A-Rod the good cop, if the Yanks offer was indeed the best?
No Boras tactic would surprise me, especially if done in desperation.
I’m not agreeing with Miller and his scoop or whatever it you may want to call it….However I do believe that the Yanks & A-Rod will bump into oneanother before it’s said and done…..Are the Yanks moving forward, YES, will Boras and A-Rod try and catch up with them, it’s a definite possibility…Will anything come out of it, unlikely…..
Uhm, Arod killed the last bit of the little kid in me (I’m 35) imagine what he did to the kids younger… it’s utterly disgusting that greed and ego would lead a man to this.
As for the drugs, err I mean the news coming out tonight.. I need more, more, more… more baseball rumors please..more contracts!!!
*plunk.. it’s way past my bedtime.
haha. i just had to say that cause i have been writing about Japanese baseball all day and I think it is really funny that Steinbrenner called him a “Fat Pussy Toad” you know…filled with pus.
test
“I’m not agreeing with Miller and his scoop or whatever it you may want to call it….However I do believe that the Yanks & A-Rod will bump into oneanother before it’s said and done…..Are the Yanks moving forward, YES, will Boras and A-Rod try and catch up with them, it’s a definite possibility…Will anything come out of it, unlikely…..”
“jonnycat November 13th, 2007 at 12:24 am
test
“I’m not agreeing with Miller and his scoop or whatever it you may want to call it….However I do believe that the Yanks & A-Rod will bump into oneanother before it’s said and done…..Are the Yanks moving forward, YES, will Boras and A-Rod try and catch up with them, it’s a definite possibility…Will anything come out of it, unlikely…..—
flea,
You know I never thought of how many kids must be absolutely crushed by what A-Rod did until you just mentioned it.
Go Yankees 2008. Peter if your reading this…get a chatroom…Happy rumor hunting….
“I’m not agreeing with Miller and his scoop or whatever it you may want to call it….However I do believe that the Yanks & A-Rod will bump into oneanother before it’s said and done…..Are the Yanks moving forward, YES, will Boras and A-Rod try and catch up with them, it’s a definite possibility…Will anything come out of it, unlikely…..â€
test
blockquote
“I’m not agreeing with Miller and his scoop or whatever it you may want to call it….However I do believe that the Yanks & A-Rod will bump into oneanother before it’s said and done…..Are the Yanks moving forward, YES, will Boras and A-Rod try and catch up with them, it’s a definite possibility…Will anything come out of it, unlikely…..â€
DISGRACEFUL ….........How can Jorge believe that he can be productive passed 38? How many catchers put up good numbers pass 38?
I don’t even want to hear about playing first base. I’d like to think that we will have a solid first baseman in 4 years. What are the Yankees suppose to do, bench the first baseman so they can justify playing Posada.
The only thing that remotely makes sense to me is the Yankees and Posada agreeing that he was underpaid and the last few years and that they threw away money on Pavano so why not reward the acheiving players hat were underpaid.
I’d rather have them do that and pay him $36 million for 2 years than this. THis is a bizzare contract length. And I guess Riviera gets 4 years two even though his arm may fall off in another 2 years.
Hard to root for the Yankees when they do things like this – no other team in the league has the resources like them. ITs the Yankees and the rest of the league…...
Hi Guys!!
Very, very nice of you to ask.
Other than Torre landing LA, it’s been a slow news week.
http://tinyurl.com/2awr7b
Classic moment
blockquote>jonnycat November 13th, 2007 at 12:28 am
“I’m not agreeing with Miller and his scoop or whatever it you may want to call it….However I do believe that the Yanks & A-Rod will bump into oneanother before it’s said and done…..Are the Yanks moving forward, YES, will Boras and A-Rod try and catch up with them, it’s a definite possibility…Will anything come out of it, unlikely…..â€
There ya go, jonnycat. I think you got it.
u just get this feeling that cashman is keeping his options open re: third base. sure lowell is officially OUT there, but i do not discount the possibility that a-rod might indeed come on back to the yanks. miller, your rumor is potentially tantalizing and thank you for it, yet i would side w/ G. Love and J-Dawg. boras is the master salesman. he has sold arod a bag of goods. he is not about to lose arod now. lowell becoming a free agent actually works in boras’ favor. if lowell had re-signed w/ the sux before the midnight deadline then it would have removed a potentially large market landing spot for boras’ icon. w/ lowell not signing, it keeps boston in the mix for arod. busines aside, the sux management would LOVE to stick it to the yanks by signing arod. lowell is probably a better fit for them given his home-road stats, but it would not surprise me to see arod land in boston and lowell in ny. if i were cashman i would sit tight. no panic moves. sign mo, sign molina, work on the bullpen and sit tight. other gm’s will come to u. the winter meetings are coming. if arod were to indeed “come back,” it would be alright. if not, whatever. we will survive. the hot stove makes for great discussion though.
oh, and one other thing… lowell was the WS MVP, yet u do not see the sux gushing all over the guy and opening up the wallet. they are looking to make a business decision. i do not want to hear the BS that theo hangs w/ the players, and in turn the players really groove for him. whereas cashman is a stiff and the players don’t like him… blah, blah, blah… they allowed pedro to leave, they allowed lowe to leave, they allowed millar (cowboy up himself) to leave, they allowed mueller to leave, they allowed damon to leave, they traded arroyo, they showed trot the door in exchange for nancy, they took a hard stance w/ the shill, foulk went bye bye and they will potentially do the same for lowell. all business. spare me the b.s. about sentiment. there is no sentiment involved. when they re-signed losertek it was all about business. he served a role for them. i do not know when his contract is up, but count on them allowing him to go bye bye as well. i do not want to heart the garbage about how the sux are all about promoting an atmosphere conducive to winning b/c of their “nice guy” approach to fashioning a team. they make decisions based on $$$.
Better odds Scott brosius plays 3rd base for us before Alex does.
“Big V”- was that part of a comedy routine? when Posada is “passed” 38? wtf does that mean?
Miller:
Arod will sign with the San Francisco Giants. Perhaps the rumor you heard was a ploy to make the Giants jump.
52 million of ‘Arod’s’ money just walked out the door.
Mo’s turn is next and then Johan Santana in after 2008.
This team can’t find a third baseman soon enough. I want Arod’s (delusional) Army DEAD.
Great news. I love Jorge’s intensity and he’s a core value of this team. The contract is a bit long and pricey but when you consider the other options out there it had to be done.
Cashman is smart. I hope there’s some kind of verbal agreement that in his 3rd and fourth year he splits time between 1st or DH with a young catcher. Hopefully, Cash has the foresight to spend the next two years seeking out a catching prospect to eventually split time and be mentored by him..like he did with Gerardi.
“Look at Jorge’s stats before this year, very pedestrian. ”
Wait a second…one of the best hitting catchers in baseball every single season of his entire career=very pedestrian? Jorge had one year that wasn’t very good, 2005, and even that season he was still well above average offensively for a catcher.
Jorge!!!
“The idea that the Yankees would offer Alex incentives based on home run plateaus is beyond ridiculous. Why is the world would you want a player trying to hit home runs?”
Uh…home runs good, right ?
Big V,
Are you honestly opposed to paying Jorge Posada? it’s frickin’ Jorge Posada! I could care less if he collects $14 million in the last year of his contract sitting on the bench playing Don Zimmer. Whatever. He’s earned it. One of the greatest catchers in Yankees history. Greater than Munson.
Unless it changed in the last CBA, achievement based incentives are illegal. All incentives are playing time based.
In a few weeks Borass will tell the world ARod has signed with the Redsox. This deal was made weeks ago. They did it with Nancy Drew so until they get caught, they will do it again. That how the Sux roll.
What an awful signing!!! Great, let’s give a 36-year old catcher who isn’t that great defensively top dollar for 4 years through age 40. Let’s determine who our 1B is in 2010 and/ or 2011 as he isn’t catching in one or both of those years right? Let’s determine who our DH is in 2010 and/ or 2011. Let’s sign an old catcher to be one for 2 years then an overpriced bad 1B and 20-25 HR DH. Since when was 1B an easy position and since when has a player, catcher or otherwise, began his 1B career at 38 or 39 years old (assuming Posada is the catcher 2008-09 then moves to 1B for 2010)?
Posada wanted to remain in N.Y./ go nowhere else and 4 years. No way the Mets were signing him for 4 years with no DH to move him to in 2010 and/ or 2011 and the uncertainty that he could be the 2010 and/ or 2011 1B. All he had was the Yanks. The Yanks had the leverage over him, not vice versa. I’d have offered him 2 years @ $15M = $30M with a vested $15M option for a third year based on games caught in 2008 and/ or 2009 upping the total value of the contract to $45M. I’d also throw in bonuses for the Gold Glove, Silver Slugger, A.L.M.V.P., and World Series M.V.P. to send the total value of the contract to $50M. For 3 years.
Once again Cashman negotiates against himself and shows he is merely a glorified checkwriter. He overpaid Damon, Matsui (his extension), and now Posada in years and money. It better pay off for him next year or he’s gone after it. He’s already manufactured $46M bust Kei Igawa which was HIS baby not George’s and not getting A-Rod to drop his opt-out clauses during the A-Rod trade. ‘Better get past the A.L.D.S. next year or happy job hunting and we’ll see what you do with a sub-$100M/ low-$100M payroll.
read this
http://bronxbanter.baseballtoaster.com/archives/865293.html
Cashman also screwed up with Abreu, who publicly said he loves N.Y., wanted to stay in N.Y. O.k. then we’re buying you out for $2M and offering you a one-year $10M contract so you make $12M total for 2008 cuz you’re not worth your $16M club option which the Phillies, not the Yanks, gave yo