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	<title>Comments on: Steinbrenner puts the onus on Rivera</title>
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		<title>By: The Fallen Phoenix</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Fallen Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody asked before why a point that Rivera was the 12th best closer out of 30 meant he deserved top dollar.

Just to clarify, the ranking I provided was not a ranking of CLOSERS, but of ALL relievers--and just because you are a closer DOES NOT make you the best reliever on your team.  Joe Borowski was NOT the best reliever out of the Indians bullpen, at best he was the third or fourth best reliever.

Indeed, the way baseball closers are used now means they don&#039;t *have* to be the best relievers on their team, because chances are the most important, high-leverage late inning is actually going to be the 7th or 8th, rather than the 9th, particularly in a close ballgame.

...the situation is a lot more complicated than that, though.  And even when you consider Rivera relative all the other closers in the league, while he might only have been the 12th best reliever in all of baseball, he was definitely in the top 10, and I think even the top 7, of all closers in all of baseball by that metric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody asked before why a point that Rivera was the 12th best closer out of 30 meant he deserved top dollar.</p>
<p>Just to clarify, the ranking I provided was not a ranking of CLOSERS, but of ALL relievers&#8211;and just because you are a closer DOES NOT make you the best reliever on your team.  Joe Borowski was NOT the best reliever out of the Indians bullpen, at best he was the third or fourth best reliever.</p>
<p>Indeed, the way baseball closers are used now means they don&#8217;t *have* to be the best relievers on their team, because chances are the most important, high-leverage late inning is actually going to be the 7th or 8th, rather than the 9th, particularly in a close ballgame.</p>
<p>&#8230;the situation is a lot more complicated than that, though.  And even when you consider Rivera relative all the other closers in the league, while he might only have been the 12th best reliever in all of baseball, he was definitely in the top 10, and I think even the top 7, of all closers in all of baseball by that metric.</p>
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		<title>By: saucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>saucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GreenBeret7, i can&#039;t tell where your quotes start and your actual comments begin...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GreenBeret7, i can&#8217;t tell where your quotes start and your actual comments begin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: GreenBeret7</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenBeret7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*taking away any of the spotlight.

I really wish they&#039;d put in a correction button to correct spelling errors so people wouldn&#039;t think I was illiterate instead of just a bad typist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*taking away any of the spotlight.</p>
<p>I really wish they&#8217;d put in a correction button to correct spelling errors so people wouldn&#8217;t think I was illiterate instead of just a bad typist.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenBeret7</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenBeret7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasnâ€™t thinking about Mientkiewicz when I said people from his childhood but I guess thatâ€™s a possibility too. Was thinking more about his HS coach and the guy from the Boys Club of Miami that he seems very close with or some of the Miami area players who he works out with in the offseason. 

A little off topic- I know some people prefer to believe that everyone hates him and heâ€™s a â€œclubhouse cancerâ€ (I hate that phrase) but I read yesterday that A-Rod was one of the first people to congratulate Braun for his ROY win. Braun said A-Rod is a mentor to him and it was great to hear that he was proud of his accomplishment. He does seem to play nicely with the kids and they seem to enjoy being around him too. Miguel Cabrera should give A-Rod a call this winter and see if wants to workout with him. Miguel following A-Rodâ€™s workout routine could produce an even more amazing ball player.


Perhaps he gets along with the younger players like Cano, Cabrera and Braun better than the veterans, because the kids aren&#039;t jealous or concerned about Rodriguez thating away any of the spotlight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasnâ€™t thinking about Mientkiewicz when I said people from his childhood but I guess thatâ€™s a possibility too. Was thinking more about his HS coach and the guy from the Boys Club of Miami that he seems very close with or some of the Miami area players who he works out with in the offseason. </p>
<p>A little off topic- I know some people prefer to believe that everyone hates him and heâ€™s a â€œclubhouse cancerâ€ (I hate that phrase) but I read yesterday that A-Rod was one of the first people to congratulate Braun for his ROY win. Braun said A-Rod is a mentor to him and it was great to hear that he was proud of his accomplishment. He does seem to play nicely with the kids and they seem to enjoy being around him too. Miguel Cabrera should give A-Rod a call this winter and see if wants to workout with him. Miguel following A-Rodâ€™s workout routine could produce an even more amazing ball player.</p>
<p>Perhaps he gets along with the younger players like Cano, Cabrera and Braun better than the veterans, because the kids aren&#8217;t jealous or concerned about Rodriguez thating away any of the spotlight.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ44</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJ44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Braun and Arod worked out together at the University of Miami when Ryan was there.

Arod helped him make the transition from high school SS to college third baseman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Braun and Arod worked out together at the University of Miami when Ryan was there.</p>
<p>Arod helped him make the transition from high school SS to college third baseman.</p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t thinking about Mientkiewicz when I said people from his childhood but I guess that&#039;s a possibility too. Was thinking more about his HS coach and the guy from the Boys Club of Miami that he seems very close with or some of the Miami area players who he works out with in the offseason.  

A little off topic-  I know some people prefer to believe that everyone hates him and he&#039;s a &quot;clubhouse cancer&quot; (I hate that phrase) but I read yesterday that A-Rod was one of the first people to congratulate Braun for his ROY win.  Braun said A-Rod is a mentor to him and it was great to hear that he was proud of his accomplishment. He does seem to play nicely with the kids and they seem to enjoy being around him too.  Miguel Cabrera should give A-Rod a call this winter and see if wants to workout with him.  Miguel following A-Rod&#039;s workout routine could produce an even more amazing ball player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t thinking about Mientkiewicz when I said people from his childhood but I guess that&#8217;s a possibility too. Was thinking more about his HS coach and the guy from the Boys Club of Miami that he seems very close with or some of the Miami area players who he works out with in the offseason.  </p>
<p>A little off topic-  I know some people prefer to believe that everyone hates him and he&#8217;s a &#8220;clubhouse cancer&#8221; (I hate that phrase) but I read yesterday that A-Rod was one of the first people to congratulate Braun for his ROY win.  Braun said A-Rod is a mentor to him and it was great to hear that he was proud of his accomplishment. He does seem to play nicely with the kids and they seem to enjoy being around him too.  Miguel Cabrera should give A-Rod a call this winter and see if wants to workout with him.  Miguel following A-Rod&#8217;s workout routine could produce an even more amazing ball player.</p>
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		<title>By: randy l.</title>
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		<dc:creator>randy l.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nobody could claim that we haven&#039;t made a substantial offer - unless they&#039;re crazy,&quot; Steinbrenner said...&quot;
hank has such a way with words. his negotiating style is like the proverbial bull in a china shop. 
 that said, the offer to rivera is a good one, it is fun to watch yankee brass squirm when things don&#039;t go as they expect. i would love to see mo take a trip out to visit the dodgers just to listen to all the stupid things hank would say in response.
hank vs. rivera on who &#039;s going to blink first.
my money&#039;s on mo.
but when all the fun is finished, he&#039;d better be a yankee. i expect he will be. he may want the fourth year just because. cashman continues to pay the price for his instransigence last winter.
the yankees should send him a bill for what he&#039;s cost them for his simplistic no extensions policy. i hope cashman makes note of this for the future when he&#039;s in a simlilar situation.this is one reason why i like seeing posada and rivera hold cashman up. maybe the more painful it is for him , the more he&#039;ll learn to be more flexible in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nobody could claim that we haven&#8217;t made a substantial offer &#8211; unless they&#8217;re crazy,&#8221; Steinbrenner said&#8230;&#8221;<br />
hank has such a way with words. his negotiating style is like the proverbial bull in a china shop.<br />
 that said, the offer to rivera is a good one, it is fun to watch yankee brass squirm when things don&#8217;t go as they expect. i would love to see mo take a trip out to visit the dodgers just to listen to all the stupid things hank would say in response.<br />
hank vs. rivera on who &#8217;s going to blink first.<br />
my money&#8217;s on mo.<br />
but when all the fun is finished, he&#8217;d better be a yankee. i expect he will be. he may want the fourth year just because. cashman continues to pay the price for his instransigence last winter.<br />
the yankees should send him a bill for what he&#8217;s cost them for his simplistic no extensions policy. i hope cashman makes note of this for the future when he&#8217;s in a simlilar situation.this is one reason why i like seeing posada and rivera hold cashman up. maybe the more painful it is for him , the more he&#8217;ll learn to be more flexible in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Ranting Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ranting Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe when I read how many people have wanted to trade Matsui away. If he hits &quot;only&quot; .295/23/110 next year that&#039;s actually a good year and I think he&#039;ll do better than that. He should be able to cover more ground in the OF than last year after getting his knee fixed too. Will he ever be a 25 year old Andruw Jones or a 29 year old Bernie Williams?     No. But neither will either of those guys. 

How about Torii Hunter? Hunter needed Matsui to be injured to put up offensive numbers almost as good as Matsui. And Melky&#039;s going to be a better defender over the next 4 years than Hunter. That&#039;s not based on hunter&#039;s past reputation but that over the next 4 years Hunter will be aging whereas Melky will be maturing.  

Off season position player moves should be minimal. 1B &amp; 3B are the weakest spots now, not all 3 OFs, 2B and backup OF. 

I read something about Bernie just weighing the possibility of playing for Tore in LA. I remember how many people wanted to see a fading Bernie return this past year. If many of the same people who want to dump Matsui want to bring Bernie back (he&#039;ll be 39, not 33, which is Matsui&#039;s age now and an age when Bernie himself was still good) or bring Hunter in, then I&#039;ll just wait until the end of spring training to engage in any blogging... when there&#039;s actual baseball to talk about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe when I read how many people have wanted to trade Matsui away. If he hits &#8220;only&#8221; .295/23/110 next year that&#8217;s actually a good year and I think he&#8217;ll do better than that. He should be able to cover more ground in the OF than last year after getting his knee fixed too. Will he ever be a 25 year old Andruw Jones or a 29 year old Bernie Williams?     No. But neither will either of those guys. </p>
<p>How about Torii Hunter? Hunter needed Matsui to be injured to put up offensive numbers almost as good as Matsui. And Melky&#8217;s going to be a better defender over the next 4 years than Hunter. That&#8217;s not based on hunter&#8217;s past reputation but that over the next 4 years Hunter will be aging whereas Melky will be maturing.  </p>
<p>Off season position player moves should be minimal. 1B &amp; 3B are the weakest spots now, not all 3 OFs, 2B and backup OF. </p>
<p>I read something about Bernie just weighing the possibility of playing for Tore in LA. I remember how many people wanted to see a fading Bernie return this past year. If many of the same people who want to dump Matsui want to bring Bernie back (he&#8217;ll be 39, not 33, which is Matsui&#8217;s age now and an age when Bernie himself was still good) or bring Hunter in, then I&#8217;ll just wait until the end of spring training to engage in any blogging&#8230; when there&#8217;s actual baseball to talk about.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenBeret7</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenBeret7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge 
November 14th, 2007 at 8:56 am 
Doug is not signed next year. It doesnâ€™t appear the Yankees will bring him back.



Yes, I understand, but, he still has connections to the team, and, even Mienkeiwicz&#039; return wouldn&#039;t surprise me that much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge<br />
November 14th, 2007 at 8:56 am<br />
Doug is not signed next year. It doesnâ€™t appear the Yankees will bring him back.</p>
<p>Yes, I understand, but, he still has connections to the team, and, even Mienkeiwicz&#8217; return wouldn&#8217;t surprise me that much.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth for Freedom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth for Freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you look at the Yankee&#039;s options, and I am sure that is part of what went into the decision Boras and A-Rod made, they will either have to seriously downgrade their offense by signing Mike Lowell _(bad move IMO) or trade young players that are showing a lot of promise for the future (even worse move, IMO)

So A-Rod and Boras felt they had the Yankees in a hard spot, they did up to a point, and the Yankees knew it. They both were playing hard ball. I don&#039;t think Boras really believed the Yankees wouldn&#039;t talk or go after A-Rod. 

It could very well be that A-Rod wants to remain a Yankee, though with him, who knows. Boras always works to isolate his clients from the negotiations, by A-Rod not talking to the Yankees, it is the same situation, only this time it was leaked and made A-Rod look bad. Probably worse than he ever intended.

Boras forgot that one of his jobs is to make his client look the best he possibly could. They took a chance, and found a dominate will not playing their game.

In the end, if A-Rod were to come back to the pinstripes, he would be forgiven. There are a ton of ways to spin it so both sides save face, the real question is if both sides are willing to meet half way.

BTW, these two articles are only echoes of other rumors that have been going on with A-Rod and the Yankees talking. Boras might not have leave to talk about it. 

Also, how does anyone know that there aren&#039;t others, such as maybe some of his team mates from this past season, who are closer to A-Rod now than the agent who helped make him look like a horse&#039;s a**?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you look at the Yankee&#8217;s options, and I am sure that is part of what went into the decision Boras and A-Rod made, they will either have to seriously downgrade their offense by signing Mike Lowell _(bad move IMO) or trade young players that are showing a lot of promise for the future (even worse move, IMO)</p>
<p>So A-Rod and Boras felt they had the Yankees in a hard spot, they did up to a point, and the Yankees knew it. They both were playing hard ball. I don&#8217;t think Boras really believed the Yankees wouldn&#8217;t talk or go after A-Rod. </p>
<p>It could very well be that A-Rod wants to remain a Yankee, though with him, who knows. Boras always works to isolate his clients from the negotiations, by A-Rod not talking to the Yankees, it is the same situation, only this time it was leaked and made A-Rod look bad. Probably worse than he ever intended.</p>
<p>Boras forgot that one of his jobs is to make his client look the best he possibly could. They took a chance, and found a dominate will not playing their game.</p>
<p>In the end, if A-Rod were to come back to the pinstripes, he would be forgiven. There are a ton of ways to spin it so both sides save face, the real question is if both sides are willing to meet half way.</p>
<p>BTW, these two articles are only echoes of other rumors that have been going on with A-Rod and the Yankees talking. Boras might not have leave to talk about it. </p>
<p>Also, how does anyone know that there aren&#8217;t others, such as maybe some of his team mates from this past season, who are closer to A-Rod now than the agent who helped make him look like a horse&#8217;s a**?</p>
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