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A-Rod slips leash and returns to Yanks

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 14, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

In what was a bad day for the Scott Boras Corporation, Alex Rodriguez went to the Yankees directly and apparently has all but finalized a 10-year, $275 million deal.

It took 32 years and nationwide scorn but it seems A-Rod is finally his own man. Good for him and good for the Yankees. His playoff performances aside, keeping A-Rod at third beats Mike Lowell or shipping out young prospects for Miguel Cabrera.

By leaving money on the table, Rodriguez erases the stain of opting out the way he did. The Yankees also don’t lose face as Alex came back to them. The only loser is Boras, who had dreams of Rodriguez landing a $350 million deal. Boras wasn’t fired but clearly he was circumvented.

Now two steps remain: Wrap up Mariano Rivera and convince Andy Pettitte to return. Having Posada, Rivera and Rodriguez back should make that easier. It certainly doesn’t hurt.

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845 Responses to “A-Rod slips leash and returns to Yanks”

  1. jay destro November 14th, 2007 at 6:55 pm

    yay pete

  2. Paul9 November 14th, 2007 at 6:55 pm

    Pete man I thought you were off for vacation…do you have to come back now with this circus?

  3. CYF November 14th, 2007 at 6:55 pm

    Very glad this is gettin done. Let’s hope nothing throws a wrench into the process.

  4. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 14th, 2007 at 6:56 pm

    Some vacation, eh Pete?

  5. BBB November 14th, 2007 at 6:56 pm

    Wow dude. This is f’n priceless. I am absolutely enthralled by A-Rod manning up and doing this! I never, never EVER would have figured him for the type. Perhaps there is alot we don’t know about him after all!

  6. CYF November 14th, 2007 at 6:57 pm

    Pete is an addict to this blog, and like all addicts he just can’t stay away. Pete, it’s time for the 12 steps my man.

  7. Paul9 November 14th, 2007 at 6:57 pm

    Watch tomorrow he will be an angel. hahaha this board would be on fire if that happened

  8. catya November 14th, 2007 at 6:57 pm

    Welcome back I think, If you are on the team !

  9. dimagg5 November 14th, 2007 at 6:57 pm

    This is great news!

    At first I thought this might be a ploy from Boras to make other clubs think the Yanks are involved so they sweeten their deals to ARod.

    But if he is really back, it brightens up the outlook for next season a bit more.

  10. jay destro November 14th, 2007 at 6:57 pm

    now that i got my “first response” out of the way, let’s get into my thoughts.

    If Alex is honest about this, it would be the Yankees way of saying that Boras is not bigger than the game.

  11. Oops November 14th, 2007 at 6:57 pm

    Maybe an additional step, on your part, could be to completely and offhandedly dismiss the chances of a youthful and reinvigorated Lou Gehrig rising from his eternal rest to fill the hole at first base? That way we could be sure it will happen shortly?

  12. PeteNJ November 14th, 2007 at 6:58 pm

    So any word on when the aliens are going to arrive in Central Park?

  13. Paulie November 14th, 2007 at 6:58 pm

    Now let’s get Johan and call it in offseason. Pete needs a break.

  14. BBB November 14th, 2007 at 6:58 pm

    Also, mlbtraderumors says something to the effect of, because Boras was not in on the negotiations he HAS to be fired, because not having him there is a violation of their contract. Does this mean he wouldn’t get the commission?

  15. CYF November 14th, 2007 at 6:59 pm

    Aliens landed in Central Park ages ago, or haven’t you noticed some of the “people” that crawl around thereabouts?

  16. DMan November 14th, 2007 at 6:59 pm

    I am incredibly confused?

    So, what happened here? How much did the Yankees save? I’m so confused…

  17. Jaewon November 14th, 2007 at 6:59 pm

    This is amazing. I am stunned

  18. kd November 14th, 2007 at 7:00 pm

    I really feel bad for pete, imagine your office calling three hours after you left for vacation. you’re the man for post pete, strong work.

  19. BBB (A-Rod sticking it to The Man?!) November 14th, 2007 at 7:01 pm

    I know I’m rambling now with all my disjointed comments, but this is HUGE if true. It is essentially A-Rod, often thought to be one of the most “corporate” players in baseball, saying “Damn The Man.”

    As someone who takes a healthy interest in Damning The Man herself….oh man this is really priceless!!

  20. Phil November 14th, 2007 at 7:01 pm

    Boras had an associate of his company present. He, himself, didn’t need to be there in person. He has employees. The Union has gained the Yanks assurance that they are respecting ARod’s designation of Boras as his agent.

  21. On D Ball November 14th, 2007 at 7:03 pm

    I will remind you that it was On D Ball that said that the world was not waiting to give Arod the kind of numbers that Bore Ass was talking about.

    But being brilliant, yet humble I will give credit to others that suggested the same thing.

    But keep in mind Bore Ass still gets 5%.

  22. stuart November 14th, 2007 at 7:03 pm

    again Borass loses nothing .. they accept $275 mill.(or whatever it is) because that is all they could get.. Borass gets paid.. Borass looks greedy and classless but I assume he could care less all he cares about is the MONEY..

  23. Crawling Back November 14th, 2007 at 7:03 pm

    And beings from Saturn have opened up a Lemonade Stand in Central Park….right, Pete ??? :-)

  24. Gary November 14th, 2007 at 7:05 pm

    $27.5 million a year for 10 years is an amazing contract.
    It will be really interesting to see what other MLB players can come close to this contract.

    I think Man Ram is the only other $20 million dollar dude…but that contracts only go one more year left on it.

    The Hank & Hal Show continues to be entertaining.

    This is almost as funny as watching GM Theo Ep quit then realize he has to make some real dough before he can retire to his dream job of backing up Bernie on the guitbox!

  25. JJNJ November 14th, 2007 at 7:06 pm

    HOLY CRAP didn’t see this coming LOL

  26. Andrea November 14th, 2007 at 7:06 pm

    I said that I would love him again if he ditched Boras and came crawling back.

    I love you, Alex.

  27. Motown Yankees Fan November 14th, 2007 at 7:07 pm

    Didn’t Andruw Jones renegotiate with the Braves without Boras a few years ago without any union trouble? Or was that under a different contract?

    Also, Boras has zillions of employees, and I am sure many of them are fine lawyers with excellent negotiating skills. One of them, at least one of them, had to have been in the room.

    This is almost as good as last Christmas when we found out Randy Johnson wanted to be traded. Well, maybe it’s better.

  28. BBB (A-Rod sticking it to The Man?!) November 14th, 2007 at 7:07 pm

    Well this seems like as good an occasion as ever to quote one of my favorite movies…

    A-Rod sez, “Damn The Man! Save the empire!”

  29. Mike NYY-River Avenue Watch November 14th, 2007 at 7:08 pm

    Awesome, they ink the best player in baseball for 10 years, enough that he could break the HR record

  30. Ranting Guy November 14th, 2007 at 7:08 pm

    If those are the terms it looks like A-Rod pretty much absorbed the $21M (approximately) but they spread it out over 10 years. In principle, that’s fine by me and probably what it would have taken for acceptance, short of firing Boras.

    A-Rod still gets a raise, but not as much as Boras convinced him expect. It’s just $21M less than the raise the Yanks apparently wanted to offer.

    Hey A-Rod, Boras’ advice just cost you $21M … shouldn’t that be taken out of his commission?

    I think A-Rod might be able to get by on less money. If not, Carl Pavano can probably lend him some.

  31. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 7:09 pm

    Welcome To The Greatest Show On Earth – THE BRONX ZOO !!

    Come one, come all – Where Everything is Everything

    Never a dull moment in New York:

    The stock market teeters, Marbury threatens Isiah with blackmail, another Giuliani mess, and now, the Return Of The Jedi

    Here’s ESPN’s special report on the Empire, with Buster Olnery and Peter Gammons.

    http://tinyurl.com/2y2sg8

    Runs 4:10

  32. Andrea November 14th, 2007 at 7:09 pm

    BBB: BEST MOVIE EVER!!

    I think we might be the same person, deep down.

  33. Ranting Guy November 14th, 2007 at 7:10 pm

    OK Pete – as soon as this clears THEN you can go on vacation.

    For real.

  34. LathamJoe November 14th, 2007 at 7:11 pm

    “Crawling Back” for $275 Million/10 years….. I’d crawl all the way from Florida for THAT much money!

    D-Man, I’m with you..Just how much money do the Yankees save in this deal??????

  35. Paulie November 14th, 2007 at 7:11 pm

    Any word on the details of the contract i.e. Is there an opt out clause in it after say five years, etc?

  36. ItalianGreco November 14th, 2007 at 7:11 pm

    This is all good, but I believe it when he signs the contract. I wonder if he can opt out of this contract in few years? Hopefully, he can’t!

  37. rbj November 14th, 2007 at 7:11 pm

    So Men in Black is actually a documentary?

  38. Dave November 14th, 2007 at 7:11 pm

    I think we only get 1 of Pettitte and A-Rod. Posada and Rivera are both A free agents, so are pettitte and A-Rod. Does this mean we have to pick? I guess the MVP wins, but it sure stinks that A-Rod will have cost us Pettitte? Can Andy come back like Roger mid-season to avoid the Free Agent rules for the offseason?

  39. Chevy November 14th, 2007 at 7:12 pm

    Well……looks like I gotta get back to work defending AROD again to all my Yankee hating friends.

    Just dont sign Lowell…..no draft picks to Boston…please.

  40. BBB (A-Rod sticking it to The Man?!) November 14th, 2007 at 7:13 pm

    Andrea: With the possible exceptions of Big Lebowski and Clerks, definitely the best movie ever! I must say I never thought I’d see an Empire-esque show of rebellion from Alex, but I am loving every second of it!

  41. #13 November 14th, 2007 at 7:14 pm

    YEAH, ALEX!!!

    I have just gained a lot more respect for A-Rod. Especially if its true that he hasn’t been talking to other teams at ALL since he wanted to make sure he made it right as a Yankee.

    Once this gets confirmed and done I for one will be a very happy Yankee fan.

  42. BBB (A-Rod sticking it to The Man?!) November 14th, 2007 at 7:15 pm

    Wait what is this about signing A-Rod means we can’t sign Pettitte? I definitely don’t like the sound of that one!

  43. batty November 14th, 2007 at 7:16 pm

    I think y’ll are giving him way too much credit. The Angels knowing no one else was putting money in the pot lowballed him – Boras and him figured he’d be able to get the original deal if he swallowed hard and here we are.

  44. Boston Dave November 14th, 2007 at 7:16 pm

    what I am interested to see will be the clauses…. im sure there is a no-trade. but im hoping none of the other ridiculous clauses from his last contract will be included.

  45. Boston Dave November 14th, 2007 at 7:18 pm

    and i have been saying it all along. all the arod rippers better be ready to admit their hatred was premature.

  46. catya November 14th, 2007 at 7:18 pm

    I got my wish the baby stein’s brought Boras down to size,the first time in his 20 yrs as an agent.I hope he got the message,when you play with fire you get burnt!Ha ha

  47. GreenTeaSucks November 14th, 2007 at 7:19 pm

    So basically he gets 2 more guaranteed years for the same money by opting out. I don’t want to hear any stuff about how what a great guy A-Rod is for accepting this offer after knowing he screwed up and was left out to dry.

  48. whoa November 14th, 2007 at 7:19 pm

    I think the time Rivera is taking to agree to what is clearly a ridiculously fair deal is more offensive than anything A-Rod has done.

    Peter,

    This Michael Corleone quote reminds of your attempt to take a vacation:

    “Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.”

  49. Andrea November 14th, 2007 at 7:20 pm

    ok, I believe Pete cleared it up that the Free Agent signing rules DO NOT apply to signing one’s own players. So no worries.

    BBB: 2 of my other favorites. The number 37 has a special place in my heart because of Clerks. We’re so twins in different universes. Only you love TClipp a little more and my heart belongs to Matty.

  50. Rockin' Rich November 14th, 2007 at 7:20 pm

    Peter, you can aways start that vaca tomorrow, right?

  51. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 7:21 pm

    Welcome home, Alpha-Dawg

    http://tinyurl.com/2k9ce8

  52. Scott Brosius Would make a Good Neighbor November 14th, 2007 at 7:22 pm

    I heard that the Yankees now cannot bring back Pettite, because they will have already signed 3 Type-A Free Agents (Posada, Rivera and ARod) – is that true?

  53. Andrea November 14th, 2007 at 7:24 pm

    There should be a team option to opt out if they want.

  54. Sullivan November 14th, 2007 at 7:24 pm

    so many hypocrites that hated him for the past month and slammed him every opportunity. now we are saying we love him? just goes to show you how many hypocrites there are. i’m interested in how many times he’s bashed when he has a bad game or if we make the playoffs next season how many of you will call him a choke. this is how you teach the young generation of yankee fans how to act with players. I hope when I get of age I won’t turn on any Yankee player the way the fans did to Arod.

  55. Suzyn Waldman November 14th, 2007 at 7:24 pm

    Where is your evidence that A-Rod is “leaving money on the table?” and how can you say that the Yankees come off looking good here? Hank looks like even more of a baby and A-Rod absolutely hosed them business wise.

  56. Jimmy November 14th, 2007 at 7:25 pm

    Oh yeah baby!

  57. Ken November 14th, 2007 at 7:27 pm

    Suzyn? Is that really you? I don’t think A-Rod hosed them. Even if we are still overpaying, the guy is the best offensive player in the game. Your comment makes me think it might not really be you.

  58. whoa November 14th, 2007 at 7:27 pm

    Suzyn Waldman November 14th, 2007 at 7:24 pm

    Where is your evidence that A-Rod is “leaving money on the table?” and how can you say that the Yankees come off looking good here? Hank looks like even more of a baby and A-Rod absolutely hosed them business wise.

    After reading your post, all I can say is that you chose the perfect user name.

  59. Paul9 November 14th, 2007 at 7:29 pm

    BRILLIANT DAY TO BE A YANKEE FAN! Oh yeah what year will the opt out clause be in this time…

  60. Donna November 14th, 2007 at 7:29 pm

    I expect the kids who hang out on this blog to be gullible enough to believe Bora$$ and A-Fraud’s BS…but I certainly didn’t expect it of you, Pete.

  61. Andrea November 14th, 2007 at 7:29 pm

    For the record, I never hated A-Rod. I did call him a douche (can I say that on this board? I guess I’ll find out)… But I was just sad. I’ve rooted for him since the first day he signed, and when all of New York booed him, I cheered even louder. I felt a little betrayed. So if all this pans out, I’ll be super psyched. So if anyone lumps me in with the people who hated him, I’ll be a very unhappy young lady.

  62. mysterjc November 14th, 2007 at 7:30 pm

    I told ya’all to bet the farm on A=rod’s return..get ready to collect…..

  63. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 7:30 pm

    Suzyn Waldman,

    must be hard typing with those tears in your eyes.

  64. LathamJoe November 14th, 2007 at 7:30 pm

    Welcome back, Doc Acula, we’ve missed you!
    Where’ve ya been? Vacationing in Transylvania?

    Suzyn:
    Oh My Gawwwwd! It’s, It’s Arawwd and He’s back, Just like Rajahh!

  65. Suzyn Waldman says November 14th, 2007 at 7:31 pm

    “Goodness gracious! Of all the dramatic things! My chair’s greasy with anticipation! Alex Rodriguez is coming back to the Bronx! It smells like an unrefrigerated meat locker between my legs! Goodness gracious!” *cries*

  66. Whatever November 14th, 2007 at 7:31 pm

    Dr Acula, nice link. Thanks. After a ball-busting day at work, logged into what is always my first stop for my Yankee fix, Pete’s Lohud blog, thinking maybe Rivera signed or something, and lo and behold, I did a double take on the ARod news. I can dig it baby! Hope it gets done.

    Looks like Hank’s got some of his Daddy in him. He’s so pissed at Boras he even doesn’t want him in the room. I love it.

  67. CaptainsCorner November 14th, 2007 at 7:31 pm

    Hank said that they will negotiate and he will only go to a certain point so it doesnt matter if Bor-ASS is in the room. So, I dont think they have even discussed #’s to the point of coming to an agreement. Plus the Yanks would be stupid to give him that much money when it is obvious there isnt that many teams interested. They would just be bidding against themselves. My offer would be 8 years/$30m a year. $240-$20m= Take it or leave it $220. I dont understand why people are talking $280m, that is way too much.

  68. TXYankee November 14th, 2007 at 7:32 pm

    ARod admitted he was wrong and apologized (to Hank). I won’t hold my breath waiting for you to do so, Peter, but can you at least stop bashing him?

  69. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 7:32 pm

    Donna,

    what BS?

    you insult Hank when you say that. And I don’t mean “Hank The Drunkn Dwarf” (rest his soul).

  70. Ducky Bent November 14th, 2007 at 7:33 pm

    LOL Hank

  71. Ducky Bent November 14th, 2007 at 7:34 pm

    This player’s union question has been resolved. Michael Weiner, the general counsel for the Players Association is fine with how it has transpired..

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....8731.story

  72. BeetleJuice November 14th, 2007 at 7:35 pm

    Hank The Drunkin’ Dwarf? Ahh, He ain’t no match for me, buddy!

  73. pat November 14th, 2007 at 7:35 pm

    No Backpeddling Zone. If the contract gets done, some of you need to take a page from A-Rod’s book and say you were wrong and just support him because he’s gonna be a Yankee for a long time.

  74. kasey November 14th, 2007 at 7:36 pm

    go dodgers.

  75. warm and fuzzy November 14th, 2007 at 7:36 pm

    Now trade him to the Marlins for miguel and some pitching ,and let him rot in that empty stadium,wiht all his money.

  76. Wolf In Pinstripes November 14th, 2007 at 7:36 pm

    BWAHAHAHA – I TOLD you all the drama was just starting when he opted out. :D

    Seriously, I could have never predicted this, but I did feel like something wasn’t right all this time. I thought there was some way he could end up back in NY and I refused to start hating the guy until the dust settled.

    That having been said, it looks like he did exactly what so many people were saying was the best thing he could do – go behind Boras’ back and not let himself be controlled.

    So – Andrea, I’m not sure if I am comfortable saying “I love you, Alex ( ;) ) , but I share your sentiment 100% otherwise.

    There’s always a chance for the drama to not be over with yet until a deal is inked, so I’m going to keep my bourbob bottle sealed until it’s a done deal. After that,let’s fix the damned bullpen and shore up the rotation as needed.

  77. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 7:37 pm

    LathamJoe-

    Hey Guys. Yankee fans are very special.

    Aside from Jorge’s return, it’s was a slow news week, until today!

    Yes. Yes.

    Oh My Gawwwwd! My Goooodness! It’s, It’s Arawwd and He’s da Baasses Box, Just like Rajahh! And he Bock to saaaaaave da Jankees!!

  78. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 7:38 pm

    Wow where is that dude who posted this 3 days ago!! He rocks!! He’s got major sources!! And I think he was just about right on the money.

    As I said earlier I take back all the mean things I said about Alex. I still maintain my distain for Borass.

  79. Brian November 14th, 2007 at 7:38 pm

    Should we expect those aliens in Central Park now, ass?

  80. Andrea November 14th, 2007 at 7:38 pm

    Wolf: Alex can be a girl’s name….

    I think to get their money’s worth out of A Rod, maybe they should teach him how to pitch, too…

  81. El Comaduce November 14th, 2007 at 7:39 pm

    i wonder if any of the other deals will leak…

  82. carolinanyy November 14th, 2007 at 7:40 pm

    Ugh… looks like the circus will be in town for another 10 years.

    Great. Just when I thought the Yanks were moving on – they seel their sole. Some “discount”… the Yanks essentially are doing what Texas did – bid against themselves and give Arod the richest contract in the history of the game… again!

    Not really a day to celebrate if you ask me…

  83. Ranting Guy November 14th, 2007 at 7:42 pm

    Hey where’s Brandon? Out celebrating somewhere? Taunting Sox fans?

    Uhhhhh …. How certain is anyone of there being a signature on the dotted line at this point?

  84. mel November 14th, 2007 at 7:42 pm

    carolinanyy,

    lol. how many Boston writers/columnists will write columns about how the Yankees duped themselves.

  85. LathamJoe November 14th, 2007 at 7:42 pm

    Dr. Acula:
    That photo hits the spot. Thanks so much!
    That Marilyn,She was truly the ARod of her time!

  86. Sam November 14th, 2007 at 7:42 pm

    I don’t know if anyone is aware of a rift between Michael Kay and Sterling, but when Kay was told of what Sterling said on WFAN, he was absolutely incredulous and all but dismissed John’s report, noting that Sterling isn’t even working now, and he said that he would wait for a more reliable source before he reported the deal as final.

    Either way, it was very telling that Sterling did not reveal his news on Kay’s show. Not that Yankee land needs more drama today, but I found it interesting nonetheless…

  87. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 7:44 pm

    Hey I know in all the excitement we forgot Jorge had his physical today. Did he pass? :) Is he official? When is the press conference?

  88. mel November 14th, 2007 at 7:45 pm

    Also,

    A quick recovery to Hideki Matsui. Please come back strong and shut up all the doubters!

  89. Jake November 14th, 2007 at 7:45 pm

    Wait a minute, is this official? Pete, you sound like you are saying that this is official…

    In the end, A-Rod is all about where he can get the most $. Too bad he was too brain-numb to realize that he was already playing for that team.

    He can take his 2007 MVP season and shove it up his A$$ because he ain’t done proving anything to this Yankee fan.

  90. mike f November 14th, 2007 at 7:46 pm

    yeah, it was yet another ugly moment for michael kay. they seem to be gaining in frequency.

  91. Wolf In Pinstripes November 14th, 2007 at 7:46 pm

    “The number 37 has a special place in my heart because of Clerks.”

    OMFG!!! LOL!!!

    Andrea, you are such a cool chick, you know that? Seriously. Long live Kevin Smith.

  92. warm and fuzzy November 14th, 2007 at 7:47 pm

    Well back to 10 more years of no WS,with him on the team.

    1996-2000= no mvp Yankees won 4WS in 5 yrs

    Arod has 3 mvp’s,no WS

    I’ll take the 4WS in 5 years

  93. mel November 14th, 2007 at 7:47 pm

    mike f,

    But before the Sterling moment (lol), Michael Kay was quite giddy with the prospect that this was true. Me thinks he has a man-crush on Alex.

  94. adkwriter November 14th, 2007 at 7:48 pm

    Something tells me this was the plan all along.

  95. Jake November 14th, 2007 at 7:49 pm

    can anyone tell me if it is OFFICIAL or just speculation. I don’t trust Alex and I don’t trust Boras. Having said that, it may all be posturing.

  96. Sam November 14th, 2007 at 7:49 pm

    lol Mike F.. That’s unfortunate.

  97. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 7:49 pm

    Mel, I think he has a man crush on Mussina and was rebuffed that is why he hates Mussina. :P

  98. El Comaduce November 14th, 2007 at 7:50 pm

    This is not a circus… Not by a long shot…. Plus, now that there is no opt out hanging over his head, the man can relax…

    He will do well this year… This will be the year when he wrecks a playoff series and the yankees win big…

    Dont blame arod for our playoff woes… While he did not help us, it was the pitching that did us in…

    we keep our kids for now, maybe get yohan, maybe we keep them and they shine….

  99. mel November 14th, 2007 at 7:50 pm

    Jennifer,

    He hates Mussina because he has a superior mind, not because he blew him off. (wait, can I say that?)

  100. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 7:50 pm

    Jennifer-

    that was Miller.

    Take a bow, dude!

    LathamJoe-

    Norma Jeane DiMaggio is timeless.

    Here’s a touching and poignant clip about Love, Fate & Tragedy, featuring Joe and Marilyn.

    http://tinyurl.com/2bqc7v

    Runs 2:10

    You have to sit through a short commercial, first

  101. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 14th, 2007 at 7:51 pm

    Hey, at this rate our offseason will be done by Thanksgiving!

  102. EY November 14th, 2007 at 7:52 pm

    As much I was angry about Arod’s opting out, I was much more worried about having to trade Kennedy and/or Hughes and Melky just so we can get some fat lazy bat to fill our 3B. If he can come back that’ll solve so many problems.

    Sign Mo, hope that Andy comes back, and maybe do something about 1B (maybe?). Then we can concentrate on our biggest problem: bullpen relief.

    A rotation of Wang Pettitte Hughes Joba Kennedy looks very good to me, and we also have Moose who still might bounce back and give us some quality innings.

  103. Aubrey November 14th, 2007 at 7:52 pm

    holy crap.

  104. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 7:53 pm

    Mel. LOL Too funny!!

    So when do we hear this is official.

  105. Jake November 14th, 2007 at 7:53 pm

    mel,

    is this official or speculation?

    someone please answer me. i am waiting to see how i need to react…

  106. Bob November 14th, 2007 at 7:53 pm

    Well that solves Third Base, Now whose on First?

  107. carolinanyy November 14th, 2007 at 7:53 pm

    Am I the only one who thinks another 10 years of Arod is a mistake. I mena, sure he’ll put up big numbers, but is that really worth all the drama, “look at me” attitude, and the inevitable “Oh, no it’s October” headlines?

    I was hoping the Yanks were serious in moving in a new directions. Guess not.

    Those who do not understand the past are doomed to repeat it… what’s old is new again… etc, etc…

  108. #13 November 14th, 2007 at 7:53 pm

    November 14, 2007
    A-Rod Statement: Yanks Have Brought Me Happiness
    Alex Rodriguez just released the following statement:

    After spending time with Cynthia and my family over these last few weeks, it became clear to me that I needed to make an attempt to engage the Yankees regarding my future with the organization.

    Prior to entering into serious negotiations with other clubs, I wanted the opportunity to share my thoughts directly with Yankees’ ownership. We know there are other opportunities for us, but Cynthia and I have a foundation with the club that has brought us comfort, stability and happiness.

    As a result, I reached out to the Yankees through mutual friends and conveyed that message. I also understand that I had to respond to certain Yankees concerns, and I was receptive and understanding of that situation.

    Cynthia and I have since spoken directly with the Steinbrenner family. During these healthy discussions, both sides were able to share honest feelings and hopes with one another, and we expect to continue this dialogue with the Yankees over the next few days.

    ******
    Interesting that the discussions were a result of reaching out to “mutual friends” and this is all Alex & Cynthia.

    Smart AROD!!!!

  109. Sam November 14th, 2007 at 7:54 pm

    Mel, I think Kay’s crush on A-Rod is even more intense than Suzyn Waldman’s obsession with The Rocket Man.

  110. Adrian November 14th, 2007 at 7:54 pm

    Well now we can spend more time looking for a Ace Stater and 8th innings guy.And maybe getting Pettitte.

  111. Jeff NJ November 14th, 2007 at 7:55 pm

    Well he is the best 3rd baseman on the market so it’s good that he’s back. Of course the whole opt out shenanigans leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I was getting used to life after A Rod.

    As far as Boras being cut out. Not only do I not believe that, but I actually think this could have been their plan all along. Test the market and then take the best deal, which just happenned to be with the Yankees. Only way to do it was for A Rod to make it seem like Boras is wholly responsible for the opt out and A Rod is an innocent bystander. Only way I believe it is if he actually fires Boras (not that it would cost Boras any money).

  112. pat November 14th, 2007 at 7:57 pm

    Jake

    Not official but they are working on getting it done.

  113. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 7:58 pm

    EY Totally agree. I didn’t want to see our stud pitchers traded.

  114. #13 - make it 55 next year AROD November 14th, 2007 at 7:59 pm

    JeffNJ: If Arod signs a 10 year deal why would he need to keep Boras as an agent? I doubt after the 10 years he’ll stick around as a player.

    I also tend to believe that Boras was cut out of this even if not publicly. If not, why would AROD make a point of saying he decided to reach out to the Yankees and communicate a message through mutual friends? He certainly could’ve said he arranged for his agent to contact them, etc.

    Oh well, either way if this gets confirmed it is very good news for the Yankees and AROD. AROD wanting to be a Yankee is key.

  115. Sam November 14th, 2007 at 8:00 pm

    Assuming we could acquire Kazmir and Santana for the same price, which pitcher would you rather have?

    Santana will be 29, and Kazmir will be 24)

  116. Donna November 14th, 2007 at 8:00 pm

    And A-Fraud and Bora$$ continue to lead all of you around by the nose…you believe just what they want you to believe.

    No one ever said $cott Bora$$ was a fool.

  117. Jimmy November 14th, 2007 at 8:01 pm

    How about Torre? He wanted Alex on his team! You people have no shame and have to have all the good players on the Yanks!

    At least we got Proctor

  118. mike f November 14th, 2007 at 8:01 pm

    i’d rather have danny haren from oakland then either one of them

  119. Floyd November 14th, 2007 at 8:01 pm

    Great…NOT

    More choking in October.

    10 years of misery..Here we come.

  120. We Miss Paulie November 14th, 2007 at 8:03 pm

    I really like this. Especially if he fires Boras.

    I take back everything I said last week:)

  121. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 8:04 pm

    If Andy and Mo come back I’d say our off season grade would be a A. Cash still needs to do bullpen work.

  122. mel November 14th, 2007 at 8:04 pm

    Jake,

    It’s anywhere from “not done” (high Yankee official not named Steinbrenner via Kay) to “in talks” (ESPN/SI) to “all but finalized” (Pete Abe) to 101% chance (Sterling).

    The reaction here has ranged from “Yes!”, “I told you so”, “NOOOO!”, “I’m giddy thinking about the 50/150″ (that was me), “he still sucks in the post season”, to “Hanks a genius” (rolls eyes).

    I’m a fan and will cheer whoever is on the team, so I’m still waiting for confirmation. :)

  123. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 14th, 2007 at 8:06 pm

    mel,

    Have I ever told you that you are brilliant?

  124. DMan November 14th, 2007 at 8:07 pm

    So, lineup wise it looks like the Yankees will be fielding the same one as last season?

    Now we just need to work on the SP and the bullpen..

  125. The Biz Markie November 14th, 2007 at 8:07 pm

    I like Haren a lot, but I would prefer Kaz and Cytana because they’re lefties and they have better overall numbers against Boston. But we might be able to get Haren at a cheaper price.

  126. #13 - make it 55 next year AROD November 14th, 2007 at 8:07 pm

    NY Daily News is reporting that although AROD reached out to the Yankees it was the Yankees who insisted Boras couldn’t be the lead negotiator. Supposedly the Yanks insisted Alex do the talking and take the lead in talks.

    If true this is hysterical, but whatever it takes. I am just glad that AROD is making it known that he wants to remain a Yankee and it isn’t all about the money.

    HERE WE GO YANKEES, HERE WE GO!!

  127. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 8:08 pm

    mel-

    (rolls eyes)

    :roll:

  128. Jeff November 14th, 2007 at 8:09 pm

    If it wasn’t for Alex, we wouldn’t have even made the playoffs, and last time I checked, Alex is coming off a better playoff than Jeter, but we all love to conveiently forget that little tidbit!

    Alex is going into the Hall of Fame as a Yankee, will have 13 retired by the team, and break imporatnt records wearng a Yankee uniform as the team will move into the new Stadium and will draw even more people.

  129. Paulie November 14th, 2007 at 8:09 pm

    Word out is that during a recent visit to California, A-Rod realized that a lot of the blonde dancers look too much like women and don’t have the brawny style he prefers of the east coast dancers.

  130. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 8:10 pm

    Dr. How the heck did you do that!?!

  131. El Comaduce November 14th, 2007 at 8:10 pm

    warm and fuzzy: You give this team the pitching they had in 96, and you don’t think they win this year???

    Does anyone remember stanton, nelson or mendoza? Not only quality arms but proven playoff performers. Everyone puts this on arod, but if you cant hold a lead, your not going to win…

    Blame wang for this year more than arod….

    check out the numbers for the 98 pen btw…
    http://www.baseball-reference......1998.shtml

    Mendoza pitched 130 innings with an era of 3.25… Wow.. Not bad from your long man

  132. Johan SantanaMan November 14th, 2007 at 8:11 pm

    Trade for me! Trade for me!

  133. El Comaduce November 14th, 2007 at 8:11 pm

    if we get kazmir, shea stadium and citi field will both implode

  134. mel November 14th, 2007 at 8:11 pm

    Rebecca,

    Aw shucks. Not bad for someone with an IQ of 35, huh?!

    Against improbable odds, 3/10 of the men on the floor at the Boston Garden have Allen as their surname. Go Nets, take down the last undefeated team!

  135. carolinanyy November 14th, 2007 at 8:12 pm

    Of course Arod WANTS to be a Yankee… he found out the market wasn’t what he thought and the Yanks would give him the most $$$.

    The Angels offered this ridiculous 10/275 contract he would WANT to be a Halo!

  136. Tommy November 14th, 2007 at 8:13 pm

    Santana over Kazmir for sure.
    I just don’t think the Yanks will go after Santana now.
    Too many years, too high $ to do for another player, especially a pitcher.

  137. Dee November 14th, 2007 at 8:13 pm

    I’m full of questions…

    Who is this mutual friend?

    Will Arod fire Boras?

    Will Arod call a press conference a la Joe Torre to explain what happened?

    Will his contract have another opt-out clause?

    And who is Miller???

    And btw Miller, any more news/rumors to report? Can you go back to your source and ask for a follow up??

  138. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 8:13 pm

    Jen-

    colon,(the word “roll”),colon – no spaces.

  139. mel November 14th, 2007 at 8:13 pm

    Doc,

    That is so way c :roll: :roll: l !!

  140. SaturdayNightBoogie November 14th, 2007 at 8:13 pm

    Yankee Stadium sells out almost every game. How can Arod draw more people?

  141. mel November 14th, 2007 at 8:14 pm

    oops, guess I can do 2 rolls in a row.

    C
    :roll:
    :roll:
    L

  142. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 8:15 pm

    :roll:

    Dee- Some speculated that it is Kevin Long. He became very close with him last year.

  143. Johan SantanaMan November 14th, 2007 at 8:15 pm

    From SI’s Heyman -

    Rodriguez’s agent, Scott Boras, is in intense negotiations with top Yankees people in an effort to wrap up what will be the biggest contract in baseball history, eclipsing A-Rod’s former deal.

    I thought Boras was not supposed to be involved??

  144. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 8:15 pm

    Dr. You have any others?

    Yeah I want to know Millers real name!! I wonder if it is Alex? :)

  145. ramar November 14th, 2007 at 8:15 pm

    Thank god. A-Rod is back HOME! Now we need Mo to quit fudging around and sign his 45 mil deal, Then “all will be right” in Yankee land!!!

  146. Jared S. November 14th, 2007 at 8:16 pm

    I am a diehard Yankees fan and this is an awful move by the Yankee brass. Steinbrenner said they were done with ARod. PERIOD. If he said that it depended on whether or not Boras was negotiating or on the size of the contract, that would have been different. But he said that the Yankees did not want ARod. That being said, I would have only approved of the Yankees move if they gave him a hefty paycut to what their original offer was to send the message to ARod that he missd out big time by opting out and by not even talking to the Yankees. I think it is obvious that ARod did this because he realized that no team out there was willing to pay him the amount that he and Boras were demanding. If he does fire Boras, that would change things a bit but if it is true that one of Boras’ lawyers was there, then it is essentially the same as if Boras were there. But even if he fires Boras, I am still convinced that he would have gone to the highest bidder.

  147. Giff November 14th, 2007 at 8:17 pm

    I think Peter needs to apologize to the readers who pointed out that A-Rod’s plane was in Florida. Apparently it’s quite possible that he was down there as part of his secret talks with the Steinbreners. I thought all those plane stalkers were crazy, but who knew?

  148. #9 November 14th, 2007 at 8:17 pm

    “Who is this mutual friend?

    Will Arod fire Boras?

    Will his contract have another opt-out clause?

    And who is Miller???”

    Tune in tomorrow — same Bat-time, same Bat-channel…

  149. mel November 14th, 2007 at 8:17 pm

    Johan SantanaMan,

    That’s Boras saving face through his buddy Heyman. When Heyman “broke” the news earlier, any mention of Boras’ involvement or lack thereof was missing.

  150. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 14th, 2007 at 8:18 pm

    mel: I assume you mean 135 :-P

  151. #13 - make it 55 next year AROD November 14th, 2007 at 8:18 pm

    Jared: I don’t think Steinbrenner ever said that. I believe he said they don’t want AROD *if* he doesn’t want to be a Yankee. If he’s proven he wants to be in pinstripes, he’s the best there is right now, why wouldn’t they want him?

  152. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 8:19 pm

    For Jake and whoever missed all the action earlier today, go to the previous thread and read the posts from about 4:00pm to 5:30pm.

    I’ll be self-serving and post three of my posts from that thread:

    I have clients both inside and outside the organization. I heard the same thing from four sources this afternoon, that the “deal is done”. There are four minor holdups:

    1) the PR nuts and bolts;
    2) making sure the deferred portion conforms to MLB union guidelines;
    3) confirming to all parties that A-Rod chose to not have Boras present, though included via consultation;
    4) approval of the Commissioner’s office.

    What should be obvious is that all of this has gotten legs over the past few days and is now coming out because it’s allowed to come out. The Yankees have a “media blackout” policy; if you break it, your relationship is terminated.

    The fact that I’m discussing this should tell you that the blackout has been lifted. The PR machine is at work….

    And those of you who have praised Hank for being the “tough guy” in this instance couldn’t be more right. The difference between he and his father is that Hank has been able to learn from watching his father. The organization is in good hands.

    You’re going to hear a lot of complimentary things said in the next few days regarding how Hank handled this, and they will be accurate. But be real clear about something: this was a HUGE step for A-Rod to make. He did the right thing.

    The fact that there are others in the organization’s history that have done the same was not lost on him.

    Of greater import, however, is A-Rod’s legacy. He’s reached the point financially, where he realizes he’s never going to spend however much he has “left on the table”.

    Athletes are not normal, in that their competitive nature is on a level most of us cannot relate to. The massive egos that go with the territory sometimes drive players to lose site of the “big prize”. In A-Rod’s case, the “big prize” is not money.

    There is no greater place to be a baseball player than in a Yankees’ uniform. And no greater uniform in which to be the all-time home run king.

    The legacy to be left by the all-time home run king who was a Yankee is immeasurable. That’s what’s behind all of this, and to A-Rod’s credit, he’s been big enough to reach out and apologize to the organization. Don’t minimize how much courage that took.

  153. Johan SantanaMan November 14th, 2007 at 8:20 pm

    :-/ :-O :-D :-* :-P :-[ :-! 8-) >:-o O:-) :-$

    :oops: :cry: :evil: :twisted: :roll: :wink: :!: :?: :idea: :arrow: :mrgreen:

  154. #9 November 14th, 2007 at 8:20 pm

    The news of ARod staying with the Yanks will be a relief to the legions of blond strippers in this city.

  155. Rob November 14th, 2007 at 8:20 pm

    Look, when an agent or lawyer is getting a piece of the action they are likely to call the shots. I remember Peter telling all of us to not blame Boras who is only executing the will of his client. But we have been right. I really believe that A-Rod has been handled by Boras and handled poorly. The Texas deal has been discredited and Boras was out to prove that not only was it a good deal – the next one would be bigger – WRONG! I would be astounded if this contract contains any of the ridiculous incentive clauses or opt-outs he commanded in the Texas contract – as 1. The Yankees don’t do that and 2. It would start an escalation of increasingly self-indulgent demands throughout the roster. This will not be a bigger deal and A-Rod will have to come back to orbit even as the highest paid player in the game.

    As for Boras, everyone is so awe-struck by his bound player presentations with their ridiculous forecasts IE. Damon 3,000 hits, A-Rod 1,000 HRs – will break Pete Rose for hits record etc.. Anyone who has worked in the corporate world would be fairly unimpressed with his amateur presentations, unsubstantiated claims and boorish tactics – yet he is admired. His advice to A-Rod is to conduct himself as if he was facing sentencing on manslughter charges – don’t speak to anyone – bluff the opposition, bargain through strength. What strength? Aren’t fans tired of players pretending not to care? As if playing in Milwaukee is the same as playing in New York – but that is the act all of these guys perform and we’re supposed to root them on.

    And once A-Rod inks the deal – how will he cope with the blow to his ego year after year? How can he go on with the blustering Boras buzzing that he is not getting his fair share and is being dis-respected and could have owned a franchise. A-Rod may in fact be unredeemingly damaged goods because of his representation.

  156. Dee November 14th, 2007 at 8:21 pm

    Let me try the eyeroll too! :roll:

    Yeah Jennifer Miller is a bot of a mystery. I don’t think it’s Arod or any of the in-circle players themselves but I do find it suspicious that Miller came in from nowhere (or at least I haven’t noticed that name before), dropped the bombshell and now he’s gone after it’s official. Or has Miller been on this blog all along before?

  157. mel November 14th, 2007 at 8:21 pm

    Rebecca,

    lol. I consider myself more smart alec than anything.

  158. mel November 14th, 2007 at 8:23 pm

    Thanks, Johan. Man does more that strike out guys!

    For those of you who really want to learn the icons, just hover your mouse over the one you want.

  159. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 14th, 2007 at 8:23 pm

    Bobcat: Thanks for that post.

  160. sunny615 November 14th, 2007 at 8:23 pm

    Wait – I’m confused – is Boras in with the negotiations or out?

  161. sunny615 November 14th, 2007 at 8:25 pm

    oops cry evil twisted roll wink ! ? idea arrow mrgreen
    (put these between colons no spaces)

  162. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 8:26 pm

    FYI if you copy all the smiley faces into your email, you can than right click and see what was used to make the symbol
    :mrgreen:

  163. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 8:26 pm

    Paulie-

    Word out is that during a recent visit to California, A-Rod realized that a lot of the blonde dancers look too much like women and don’t have the brawny style he prefers of the east coast dancers.

    Nothing wrong with some Yankee-muscle.

    http://tinyurl.com/yofdfl

  164. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 8:27 pm

    Actually you should be able to just move your pointer over the smile and see what was used. :!:

  165. Jared S. November 14th, 2007 at 8:27 pm

    this if for #13 – make it 55 next year AROD:

    “We’re not going to back down,” Steinbrenner said. “It’s goodbye.”

    That is what Steinbrenner said. The Yankees now lose credibility because he couldn’t stick to his word.

  166. randy l. November 14th, 2007 at 8:27 pm

    “In what was a bad day for the Scott Boras Corporation, Alex Rodriguez went to the Yankees directly and apparently has all but finalized a 10-year, $275 million deal.”
    “The only loser is Boras, who had dreams of Rodriguez landing a $350 million deal.”
    and now for the minority opinion:
    before opting out, arod had a three year deal for 81 million. the way i understand it, before he opted out, the yankees offered 5 more years at thirty million per year. that’s 150 million plus 81 million which equals a yankee offer of 231 million for 8 years.
    how does going from 231 million to 275 million make boras the loser? that’s 44 million more in arod’s favor.
    arod had an opt out clause in his contract because of boras putting it in there. if boras hadn’t put it in there , arod couldn’t have opted out after a mvp year. he’d be in an 81 million dollar contract. now it looks like he’s going to be in a 275 million dollar contract. so how is boris the loser?
    explain that in numbers .
    the 350 million was unlikley to have ever been the goal. the 275 may have been exactly what they were after in the first place.
    pete, i know you write well, but i don’t understand your logic with numbers. to me the numbers say boras and arod made a killing and the yankees are paying way more than they wanted to.

  167. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 8:28 pm

    sunny:

    Boras is still part of the A-Rod team, technically, inasmuch as it is required by the CBA.

    However, as was the case with Bernie and Andruw, the player initiated discussions directly with the team.

  168. sunny615 November 14th, 2007 at 8:29 pm

    Jared S.
    November 14th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
    this if for #13 – make it 55 next year AROD:
    “We’re not going to back down,” Steinbrenner said. “It’s goodbye.”
    That is what Steinbrenner said. The Yankees now lose credibility because he couldn’t stick to his word.

    I would have to disagree – Arod came to them… They didn’t go to arod. Arod is also willing to take off the $21 mil that would have come from the Rangers (concessions)… so the Yankees were truthful in that they did not pursue arod.

  169. mel November 14th, 2007 at 8:29 pm

    Latin phrase of the day:

    Suzyn est :cry:

  170. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 8:30 pm

    Rebecca:

    You’re welcome. It’s hard to sit on information, but it’s harder to lose the relationship…

  171. sunny615 November 14th, 2007 at 8:30 pm

    So Boras is talking to Cashman? Wasn’t there a quote that said “as long as Boras is not at the table”? or something to that effect?

  172. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 8:30 pm

    Jen-

    :lol:

    :shock:

  173. Matty November 14th, 2007 at 8:31 pm

    Rebecca and I were chatting that Pete was running around in the Carribean screaming “COMPUTER! I NEED A F’N COMPUTER!” before finally hauling towards the beach and swimming for the mainland fully clothed.

  174. Jaewon November 14th, 2007 at 8:31 pm

    Is this a deal or what? I mean this wild day has went from A-Rod signing = aliens landing in central park, to meeting with the team, to an all but finalized deal without Boras, to furious negotiations? And why is this blog the only news online platform that says anything about the yankees almost finalizing a deal with A-Rod. ESPN says they’re “talking, nothing more” and they’re the guys who make up rumors for a living! Someone clear my head!

  175. Miller November 14th, 2007 at 8:31 pm

    I am Cynthia Rodriguez. Please, no questions.

  176. sunny615 November 14th, 2007 at 8:31 pm

    Ok – so somewhere I read (maybe here?) that Boras himself does not physically have to attend – one of his lackeys will do and that that will satisfy the representation part?? Is there any truth there?

  177. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 8:32 pm

    sunny:

    Does it matter? The important thing is that A-Rod stepped up and corrected the chasm that existed between the ownership group and himself.

  178. Willis November 14th, 2007 at 8:32 pm

    Bobcat

    Great post…

  179. mel November 14th, 2007 at 8:33 pm

    Pete’s not going to want to go on vacation and leave the kids alone here. Look at what happens on the blog when he’s gone. HTML and smiley workshops.

  180. Matty November 14th, 2007 at 8:33 pm

    BTW, I cannot wait to hear Boomer and Carton on WFAN tomorrow. Craig wanted A-Rod on the Mets soooooo badly.

  181. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 8:33 pm

    Well than Miller um Cynthia I take back all the bad things i’ve said about your husband. :lol: :wink:

  182. Matty November 14th, 2007 at 8:34 pm

    I think Cynthia Rod. is jealous because Laura Posada is hotter than she is.

  183. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 8:34 pm

    Just to back on track… forget about your need to know all of the minute details. Just know that by the information getting out to the public, that it is happening. There are details to be worked out, but it is happening. And it will happen without our input.

  184. Fleas November 14th, 2007 at 8:34 pm

    Mike Lowell on first would be awesome! Image that.. That would take him out of Bostom and force Boston to trade a lot of talent for Miggy Cabrera or have some unknown without Lowell type numbers!

    Forget Boston though, if we got Lowell to switch to first our line-up would totally improve with another righty bat…

    My batting order is as follows:

    Damon,
    Jeter,
    Abreau,
    AROD!!!! w00t!
    Lowell,
    Posada,
    Matsui,
    Cano
    Cabrera

    NOTE: Please don’t resign Vizcaino!!!!! But what are the options?

  185. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 8:34 pm

    Dee-

    Miller has been here for awhile. I can vouch for him, he’s from Jersey.

  186. Matty November 14th, 2007 at 8:35 pm

    You know what I like to think? That Boras was outside of the negotiation room like Michael Douglas was outside of the room his daughter was in in “Traffic”.

  187. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 8:35 pm

    Mel- He will come back and this blog entry will have 20,000 posts in it. :D

    Matty- they will be :cry: I can’t stand listening to them. I really need to sit down and write a letter to the program director about how horrible they are.

  188. pat November 14th, 2007 at 8:35 pm

    SI says this isn’t the forst time A-Rod didn’t follow Boras’ wishes

    “In July 1996, Rodriguez went against Boras’ advice and agreed to a $10.6 million, four-year contract extension through 2000.”

  189. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 8:36 pm

    Willis,

    Thanks.

  190. Jared S. November 14th, 2007 at 8:36 pm

    To Sunny 615:

    Do you think that Alex sincerely wants to be a Yankee? The reason he came was because all the other teams notified Boras that there was no chance of a $350 million contract. So logically, the Yankees were the only team willing to shell out an insane amount of dough for him. He came “crawling” back in order to make the most money possible and to get in the good graces of the fans because he has slyly made us believe that he was “crawling” back when he knew all along that the Yankees still wanted to talk to him even though he disrespected them by refusing to talk to them unless they offered $350 million. And the fact that he came to them doesn’t mean anything. Steinbrenner said “It’s over”. Now, no one can believe what Steinbrenner is saying. And Boras is an absolute genius. He knew no one wasn’t giving him $350 million, so now it appears as if $275 million is a cut when it is really an increase from his original contract. Boras is still his agent. He is still gonna get 13 million out of this.

  191. mel November 14th, 2007 at 8:37 pm

    Jennifer,

    Looks like the blog is almost to 200,000 posts.

  192. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 14th, 2007 at 8:37 pm

    Bobcat: Indeed. Of course, the biggest secret I’ve ever had to keep was the one where I didn’t tell my parents I was giving a graduation speech… :-X

    Just gives me tremendously more respect for the guys that do this job.

  193. DMan November 14th, 2007 at 8:37 pm

    Fleas-

    Eh Lowells not that good.. And he’d want 4 years.. There will be some 1B players with better skills after the 08 season..

    I think the Yankees should wait for those.

  194. Enoch November 14th, 2007 at 8:37 pm

    I can’t read all of the above comments to see if this has been discussed, but I’m having a hard time believing that he will sign a ten year deal. I would guess 8 at the most, maybe with options after that. If the 10 year deal has been finalized, forget what I just typed.

  195. Dee November 14th, 2007 at 8:38 pm

    Hi Miller you’re back!

    Got it, Miller has been here for a while so no he’s not Arod/Boras/Crod/Cashman/Feisand/Sweeny/Kay. My bad!

  196. sunny615 November 14th, 2007 at 8:38 pm

    Lowell is a type A free agent, meaning if we sign him, Boston gets our first round pick and a sandwich pick…

    Cash’s draft record so far has been pretty good… Keep the picks … do not sign Lowell.

  197. Andrea November 14th, 2007 at 8:38 pm

    Wolf: re: me being a cool chick: I know you said this like an hour ago, but I was busy. Thanks! I was writing my thesis and I stopped at 37 pages and sent it to my advisor as it was. Just to say I sent my advisor 37 pages. I have issues.

  198. PittsburghYankeeFan November 14th, 2007 at 8:39 pm

    Bobcat

    You hit it right on the nose. He can now be Babe Ruth, not Dave Winfield. He will be bigger than Reggie in this city, probably bigger than Dimaggio when all is said and done.

    That counts more than money. Boras believes in money only. This did take a lot of guts on both his and Hank’s parts.

    The Yankees and ARod were made for each other, no matter how dysfunctional. I’ve been saying that for weeks.

    Now, given your sources, Bobcat and Miller, what’s the deal with Mo? Why don’t they give him less total (say $40-42 million x 3), with a large, incentive laden mutual option for year 4? I’m sure Mo is looking at Clemens contract at 44 years old. Mo is the Clemens of relievers, and although it doesn’t make great baseball sense, I see his point.

    Any info?

  199. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 8:40 pm

    Enoch:

    It’s 10. And the money is $275M, give or take some incentives, etc.

  200. sunny615 November 14th, 2007 at 8:40 pm

    Jared S.:

    see Bobcat’s post

  201. Matty November 14th, 2007 at 8:43 pm

    Jennifer

    I’m sorry you don’t like the show. But instead of complaining about it, you can just not listen.

  202. carolinanyy November 14th, 2007 at 8:43 pm

    Arod is also willing to take off the $21 mil that would have come from the Rangers (concessions)…

    The above is just silly… oh, great Arod did the Yanks a huge favor and is only accepting $275M instead of $296M.

    It’s a banner day in the Bronx…

    The Yanks bid against themselves – I guess Arod and the Yanks deserve each other.

  203. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 8:44 pm

    sunny:

    The Yankees are NOT signing Lowell. Not. That would do exactly the opposite of what Cashman has been working so diligently toward: roster flexibility. The 3-headed monster at 1B from 2007 will either stay in place or be modified in some fashion.

    PYF:

    The Mo contract will get done as well. Again, if it wasn’t, we wouldn’t be talking about it. Part of what’s at play is the “edge” that both Mo and Jorge have about them. There is some “diss-ing” going on here, but all is well.

  204. Joe from Long Island November 14th, 2007 at 8:44 pm

    Does it matter who “won” or “lost” in this bizarre little episode?

    The Yankees got a right-handed, power-hitting 3rd baseman, who only cost them money, not talent. Someone who may break the home run record, apparently unemcumbered by PEDs, as a Yankee.

    Isn’t that enough?

    Now, if the pitching holds up, we might actually win something next year.

  205. DM November 14th, 2007 at 8:47 pm

    For some reason, I still think Boras is going to get Hughes or Joba out of the deal.

  206. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 8:47 pm

    Joe:

    Cashman is not done. The last few weeks has been housekeeping. The REAL work begins now. All the last few weeks have done is get the roster back where it was on October 1.

    (Note: Pettitte is obviously waiting for these other pieces to fall in place. Why wouldn’t he? Would you come back to a team without A-Rod, Jorge and Mo? While his return is not a given, it’s certainly been given new energy.)

  207. Joe from Long Island November 14th, 2007 at 8:48 pm

    I’m a Mike Lowell fan – anyone who beats cancer and goes on to succeed like he has deserves some respect. But Bobcat is right – filling the roster with aging players is what we have to avoid.

  208. Jake November 14th, 2007 at 8:49 pm

    mel,

    Thanks for the clarification.

    I too will root for the Yankees regardless of who is on the team, but this circus is a bit much.

    We need the focus to be on the team and not on just one player.

    In the end, GO YANKEES.

  209. kasey November 14th, 2007 at 8:50 pm

    the funniest part of this is everyone who’s foolish enough to believe boras masterminded the opt-out announcement but a-rod had the “nuts” to come crawling back to the yankees.

    if you really think that poor widdow alex was blindsided by the timing and nature of his opt-out announcement, you should try following professional sports for a while. you might learn something.

    likewise, if you think a-rod is going to fire boras, you are outside your mind. scott’s going to get a piece of this massive contract, and he’s going to keep working with alex and milking teams out of every last cent.

    the yankees didn’t fold? they didn’t back down? really? we have cashman and steinbrenner on record as saying they’d washed their hands of him, and now he’s back in pinstripes. that’s a monumental reversal of positions, i don’t care how you want to dress it up.

    this is a pathetic day in yankees history, and yet just another day in the life of alex rodriguez, who has proven that he is, indeed, bigger than the yankees legacy, bigger than the organization, and bigger than baseball. congrats, alex.

  210. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 8:51 pm

    Jake,

    No offense, but you obviously didn’t live through the “Bronx Zoo” years. This boring, corporate behaviour is mild in comparison.

  211. CaptainsCorner November 14th, 2007 at 8:51 pm

    I guess the Yanks are so involved with Arod and Bor-ASS that they forgot to announce if Posada’s deal is official yet.. Did he pass his physical today…Also is Mo going to let this drag on for another week or 2 and try to get the Royals involved..Mo take the deal already it is plenty.

  212. DMan November 14th, 2007 at 8:52 pm

    I really am conflicted about this.. I’m not sure how I feel about ARod on this team..

    I was looking forward to a team with a lot of role players on the team instead of superstar after superstar.

    Whats this going to do to team chemistry? He did ignore every Yankee that tried to call him..

    Whats this going to do to the Yankees image?

    I really don’t know how to feel about this.

  213. warm and fuzzy November 14th, 2007 at 8:52 pm

    GREAT A 43 YR OLD FART AT 3B IN 10YRS.

  214. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 8:53 pm

    DMan,

    Don’t make it too complicated. Go to a game or two, wear your interlocking NY gear and enjoy it for the entertainment that it’s supposed to be. Nothing more, nothing less.

  215. sunny615 November 14th, 2007 at 8:54 pm

    kasey – So… arod taking the same deal he would have gotten before opting out is … bad?

  216. carolinanyy November 14th, 2007 at 8:54 pm

    Spot on Kasey

  217. ellen November 14th, 2007 at 8:55 pm

    I;m obviously missing something: How are the Yankees saving face here? Because A-Rod called them rather than the other way around? Didn’t the Yankees say, if you opt out, goodbye? And now they’re going to give him $275M, and eat the $21M that they would have gotten from the Rangers. Sounds like their credibility took a hit.

  218. Andrea November 14th, 2007 at 8:56 pm

    DMan: I didn’t know how to feel about it either. But look at it this way: who would be better at third base this offseason?

  219. mel November 14th, 2007 at 8:56 pm

    kasey,

    Cashman’s exact words were, “That ship has sailed”. Well apparently that ship has come back to port.

    I’m as anti-A-rod as they come, but you have to feel a little bit better about 3rd base? Just a wittle-ittle?

    IIRC, you came on the other night and gave one of your doom and gloom posts. Something about losing the manager, catcher, closer, third baseman, and front end starting pitcher?

    If we can get decent pitching, get Girardi to clean up the mistakes that cost us close games last year, then we should be able to have a decent year, no?

    It may be a sad day, but you no what they say about tomorrow… :)

  220. warm and fuzzy November 14th, 2007 at 8:57 pm

    Dman if he bought each one of them a lamborghini diablo
    alls forgiven,I’ll bet.

  221. wood is good November 14th, 2007 at 8:57 pm

    You gotta assume part of what’s holding up Mo saying “yes” has been the A-Rod development–busy front office + he wants to have at least one news day all to himself. Mo deserves it. With the Alex situation heating up more than three days ago, Mo had to be put on the back burner for a wee bit….

  222. Lauren November 14th, 2007 at 8:57 pm

    3 postseasons and nothing. it’s time to move on. who cares about the pay cut? we’re getting him by default (no one else wants him.)

    honestly, i was excited about a team without him. sorry, but this blows.

    Pete: thanks for posting and enjoy your vacation!

  223. DMan November 14th, 2007 at 8:58 pm

    Even with Arod, I won’t be excited until the Yankees solidify their pitching..

  224. #13 - make it 55 next year AROD November 14th, 2007 at 8:58 pm

    Jared: Stein kept his word. As far as we know the Yankees didn’t back down and chase him after he opted out. They said from the get-go the money lost if/when he opted out would be taken off the top of whatever they would offer in negotiations if he opted out. Initially they didn’t close the door to negotiations if he opted out, just that the money on the Texas deal wouldn’t be a part of future negotiations. When he opted out Steinbrenner made it personal in a statement claiming AROD didn’t want to be a Yankee and so they wouldn’t want someone who doesn’t want to be there. They wouldn’t chase him as a free agent and they’d move on, rightfully if someone doesn’t want to be there the team needs to move on.

    The way I see it (assuming this all gets confirmed as done in the next day or two): the Yankees didn’t chase him after he opted out. The Yankees moved on in evaluating other options for 3rd base because AROD’s opting out was taken as a loud message that he didn’t want to be in NY, when that wasn’t the case. Stein made it personal and it wasn’t. NY announced they had planned on offering at least 8 years and a whole lot of money but he opted out without discussions. Alex wanted to remain in pinstripes and at some point realized the message opting out sent was one the Yankees (and fans) took personally as if he didn’t want to be a Yankee. He wants to be a Yankee – and did what was required to make that clear to the Steinbrenners. They kept their word, they didn’t chase. They kept their word and took the Texas money out of the equation. AROD keeps his word to the organization and fans by making it clear he wants to be in pinstripes and steps up to the plate and delivers the message himself. That takes being a bit humble – not bad to see the highest paid baseball star owning up to his responsibility in this with the owners.

    And as a Yankee fan, its great to know we have the best – especially when it took extra work and swallowing some pride for both the owners and AROD to sort through the buzz and figure out how to meet each others needs. Yankees want AROD. AROD wants to be a Yankee.

    DONE.

  225. Buddy Biancalana November 14th, 2007 at 8:58 pm

    Right on Mel!!

  226. Jeter's Future Wife November 14th, 2007 at 8:59 pm

    I for one still and not that warm and fuzzy about welcoming AROD back. I still think he’s a cancer to a team, can’t play when it counts BECAUSE of the CONTRACT. He has so much to live up to as Torre would say, playing for the highest contract in the game. I just don’t know if he’s mentally built enough to really play with that – of course, when it counts. I just don’t care about Mr. April and Mr. May, he can go to hell, oh i mean, Boston. the only reason he is coming back is b/c he can’t get no satisfaction anywhere else and he’s got his tail between his legs, how much of that is “not about the money”? He needs to play the game b/c he loves to play it, not b/c he can make millions, that’s obviously a huge bonus!

  227. warm and fuzzy November 14th, 2007 at 8:59 pm

    I’m glad the Yankees didn’t come crawling back to him.The other players were watching too,you know.

  228. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 9:02 pm

    Matty I have it on because I need to know the time. I cut my morning so close. I don’t sit for a minute and I am out the door catching a bus to the city. I wish there were better alternatives to listen to sports in the morning but there aren’t. :(

  229. ellen November 14th, 2007 at 9:03 pm

    kasey:
    Of course they folded. I don’t care who called who first. They’re offering him more $ over more years than what they said they would before he opted out, even though now they have to foot the whole bill without Texas’ money. It’s called caving.

  230. Buddy Biancalana November 14th, 2007 at 9:03 pm

    To all the A Rod haters, don’t forget the Yankees pitching was absent aside of Pettitte in the playoffs. True, A Rod has to grow up, hopefully this situation has humbled, just a little.

  231. Ducky Bent November 14th, 2007 at 9:04 pm

    Jeter’s Future Wife, you sound just like your “fiance”.

  232. RockinDaBronx November 14th, 2007 at 9:04 pm

    Pete now go home and get some ass.

  233. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 9:05 pm

    Some of you may not be aware of this, but it’s been posted and reported several times in the past 200 or so posts…lol… one of the holdups the past few days was that Hank wouldn’t take A-Rod’s telephone call.

    A-Rod initiated the discussion, via several intermediaries, and then called Hank. It took several days before Hank would take his call.

  234. mel November 14th, 2007 at 9:05 pm

    RockinDaBronx:

    :shock:

  235. Miller November 14th, 2007 at 9:07 pm

    So what happened today, I think I might have missed it.

  236. YankeeJosh November 14th, 2007 at 9:07 pm

    I think I’ve figured it all out. Isiah Thomas must have bribed Boras to get A-Rod back to the Yanks to avoid any more bad Knicks press.

  237. Ducky Bent November 14th, 2007 at 9:07 pm

    Bobcat,

    Thank you for all the information and reassurances that you’ve provided us.

    I’m psyched about A-Rod and the “new” makeup of the Yankees front office.

  238. warm and fuzzy November 14th, 2007 at 9:07 pm

    Bobcat NOW he know who’s boss!

  239. Ducky Bent November 14th, 2007 at 9:08 pm

    Miller! I’m gonna keep a keen eye on all your posts from now on!

  240. Miller November 14th, 2007 at 9:10 pm

    Ducky,

    Maybe I just got lucky with that one, but ill try my hardest to reveal any Yankee info that comes my way.

    Dont you worry.

  241. kasey November 14th, 2007 at 9:10 pm

    mel,

    sure, it’s a better option than lowell or tejada at 3rd, or mortgaging the farm to get miggy cabrera.

    but guess what? we’ve seen what a-rod can do, and we’ve seen what this team can do with him at 3rd. did they get any better with this move? nope. we’re looking at essentially the same lineup as last year’s, with everyone a year older.

    in terms of pitching, it looks like they’ll lose pettitte. they’ll definitely lose clemens. you may get hughes and joba for full seasons, but their innings and pitch counts will be monitored carefully (we hope). so, as of right now, their rotation is wang, hughes, joba, ?, ?

    guess what? there’s no ace there. throw out all the stats you like, but there’s no certified stopper among those three. there are three young guys who are bound to get hit. if you think joba and phil are going to step into their first full seasons in the majors and pitch lights-out ball, you haven’t been following baseball very closely for the last few decades. and if you think wang is suddenly going to learn how to pitch on turf or what to do when his sinker is up, think about how well that worked last season. the guy is what he is. when he’s good, he’s great. when he’s off, he’s damn near awful.

    they have not yet gotten BETTER this offseason. they’re going to end up spending a TON of money to tread water retaining arod, posada and rivera. and that’s fine. they needed those guys. but, seeing as how they’ve fared in the playoffs since 2003, they need to get BETTER. that hasn’t happened yet.

    sorry if i’m not overjoyed that the most egomaniacal pariah this side of barry bonds will be in pinstripes for the next decade. they may not win a championship but, hey, they’ll be all over the tabloids. and that’s just as good, right?

    go dodgers.

  242. #13 - make it 55 next year AROD November 14th, 2007 at 9:11 pm

    Couple of thoughts:

    I assume the Yankees wouldn’t agree to 10 years and $275 million if they didn’t believe another team was willing to offer that much or more. If Steinbrenner was in love with a player he wouldn’t offer a 10 year deal at that kind of money period…unless they knew others/rivals would be in the ballpark on $$.

    I also assume AROD wouldn’t have opted out to begin with if he didn’t think it made sense to do so for him long-term.

    We also know AROD has been the buzz all around and several teams and owners have gone on record as being interested. We know from AROD’s statement that he did not talk to any teams and he didn’t want ANY negotiations to start before he could talk to the Yankees.

    I don’t see this as anyone caving. Strategies get misunderstood, teams/people/agents/players/news media/fans react. When the dust settles negotiations either begin with the team the player wants them to begin with or they begin with multiple teams.

    I assume AROD’s statement is true. He didn’t want negotiations with any other team without talking to the Yankees. Perhaps later than many would’ve liked, but its now happened and its done. Win/Win for all.

  243. Jeter's Future Wife November 14th, 2007 at 9:11 pm

    Bobcat,

    so what is your role exactly? agent?

  244. Dee November 14th, 2007 at 9:11 pm

    Bobcat said: “one of the holdups the past few days was that Hank wouldn’t take A-Rod’s telephone call. A-Rod initiated the discussion, via several intermediaries, and then called Hank. It took several days before Hank would take his call.”

    I HEART Hank!

  245. We Miss Paulie November 14th, 2007 at 9:11 pm

    So, besides gaining Girardi and losing Mo and Pettite (for now) we essentially have the same team as ’07. Whats going to be different in ’08?

  246. SJ44 November 14th, 2007 at 9:12 pm

    The Yankees didn’t cave at all.

    Arod went to them. They are doing a deal without Boras shopping it around.

    If Arod didn’t go to them, they wouldn’t have done this deal.

    Its not hard to figure out.

    As far as the initial offer (8 years, 235) prior to the opt out, that was just an initial offer. Not the final offer.

    Just as Mariano and Jorge’s offers (3 for 40 each) were not their final offer.

    In essence, if the numbers are 10/275, that’s what the deal would have been if they negotiated prior to the opt out.

    They got the player back, stuck it to the agent (which many in the Yankee heirarchy aren’t heartbroken over) and still will get Rivera and Posada done.

    At the end of the day, I’d say its a win-win for Arod and the Yankees. When that happens, its usually called a good deal.

  247. Mark November 14th, 2007 at 9:12 pm

    Assuming this A-Rod deal holds up, there’s still much work to be done. Jose Molina is a must sign. Andy Pettitte must return. The middle relief must be settled and in particular, a lefthander in the pen. The 1st base mix needs to be sorted out. A proven starter is needed with Johan Santana high on the wish list.

  248. Terry in N.H. November 14th, 2007 at 9:13 pm

    Tired of the “arod failed in the playoffs” quoters. A guy named Wang had an absolutely terrible postseason letdown. BTW, Jeter hit into 2 crucial innning ending DP in the playoffs. I welcome Arod back, things look alot brighter now. A new stadium, Arod, and the kids could be a start of something good, who knows.

  249. Buddy Biancalana November 14th, 2007 at 9:14 pm

    SJ-

    You think the Yanks will still go hard after Johan or just wait until he is a FA?

  250. Andy November 14th, 2007 at 9:14 pm

    I would be willing to bet a good chunk of change that Boras has been orchestrating the about-face. He clearly miscalculated and wasn’t able to find that $350 million deal. That said, the whole thing about A-Rod doing this on his own is likely crap. At the end of the day, the Yanks get their .350/50/150 third baseman, A-Rod gets $280 million, and Boras gets his huge commission. Yes, Boras has to come across looking like A-Rod overruled him, but a small media hit (particularly one that most people in the know are aware that it was contrived) is a small price to pay

  251. #13 - make it 55 next year AROD November 14th, 2007 at 9:14 pm

    SJ44: AMEN!

  252. mel November 14th, 2007 at 9:14 pm

    Oh,kasey. One day, we’ll lure you back to the bright side. Where I live it rains everyday, too, but we have a lot of rainbows. We’ll get you one day, no doubt about it. lol.

  253. SJ44 November 14th, 2007 at 9:14 pm

    Who says its the same team as last year? The off-season is just starting.

    I guess they could have decided not to re-sign Arod and bring in somebody else just to have somebody different on the roster, if that’s what some of you want.

    Their main off-sesaon objective was re-signing their own free agents. Players who are FAR better than others at their respective positions who are free agents.

    Now, they can concentrate on filling the other holes on the team.

  254. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 9:15 pm

    It is amazing 3 days ago the team looked a mess. Now today it looks like everything is falling into place.

    A new manager is a big difference even if the general makeup of the team is the same. I don’t think we will get off to a poor start this year either.

  255. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 9:15 pm

    Buster Olney’s updated article (10 mins ago) is mostly accurate:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3109894

  256. Ducky Bent November 14th, 2007 at 9:15 pm

    Miller,

    That was no luck, that was prime meat you delivered to us. I remember when I first read it I sensed, by the way you delivered it and handled yourself, that it was legit.

    By the way, you’re a celebrity on a few Yankee boards now!

    Thanks again.

  257. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 9:16 pm

    SJ44:

    As I posted a few minutes ago:

    Cashman is not done. The last few weeks has been housekeeping. The REAL work begins now. All the last few weeks have done is get the roster back where it was on October 1.

    (Note: Pettitte is obviously waiting for these other pieces to fall in place. Why wouldn’t he? Would you come back to a team without A-Rod, Jorge and Mo? While his return is not a given, it’s certainly been given new energy.)

  258. Jeter's Future Wife November 14th, 2007 at 9:16 pm

    Ducky Bent,

    I could care less about AROD’s legacy….He will have to do an awful lot to overcome what he has created in the last several weeks if you ask me and plenty others.

    I would have much rather seen them use that money to get Santana among others.

    I am not fair weather, I really just don’t like the whole thing; I’m glad Hank didn’t take his calls for a few days, whoop dee doo wha day….but he did take his call eventually, so what.

    If I were his teammate, I would definitely feel a bit astranged from him just b/c of all this crap. he’s different than the rest. He didn’t call any of his teammates back during that period of time, what does that say?

  259. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 9:16 pm

    I think the reason the yankees allowed Alex back into the fold there wasn’t a good third baseman out there. I’m not even saying a great. they really didn’t have a choice.

  260. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 9:18 pm

    JFW:

    It doesn’t matter what “role” I play… just know that I’m in the financial field and have dealings with numerous players, past and present.

    Unfortunately, the stories I’ve been told I’m sworn not to name names…LOL.

  261. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 14th, 2007 at 9:18 pm

    Wait, when we say Hank won’t take A-Rod’s call, we’re talking Steinny, right? Cos I keep thinking Aaron!

  262. Miller November 14th, 2007 at 9:19 pm

    I think with Alex back, we have Mo sign on the line, and offer Andy the House.

    Now we have our line up set(questionable at 1st

    A rotation to GO TO WAR with.

    The only thing we need is to beef up our bullpen and I think this potentially could be abother dynasty…

    sorry if im getting ahead of myself, im just excited.

  263. YankeeJosh November 14th, 2007 at 9:20 pm

    Rebecca, I think Hank Aaron just won’t take Barry Bonds’ calls.

  264. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 9:21 pm

    did they get any better with this move? nope.

    Au contraire, Kasey

    We got rid of the green-tea and replaced with some Jack!

    http://tinyurl.com/2tfoxj

  265. dontfirecash November 14th, 2007 at 9:22 pm

    Think I’m going to start rooting for the Dodgers. Screw you A-Rod.

  266. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 9:22 pm

    Rebecca:

    I was referring to Hank Steinbrenner.

    He just may slip the moniker “Little Stein” and now become the next “Hammerin’ Hank”.

  267. Taylor November 14th, 2007 at 9:26 pm

    Jeters future wife – first that name sounds like a groupie fan. It’s about being a good player on the team not about a player because you think he’s cute. You talk more hate than baseball.

    2nd you don’t sound like a Yankee fan just a hater and all the swearing and hate Yankee fans don’t need. We want to be in the playoffs and a good team. We want to do a heck of a lot better than we did last season. If it means having all the key supporters and players who performed well and kept us alive in which Arod’s contribution was a big part of it along with Posada, Jeter, Cano, Damon, Godzilla and others. Not wanting a player on the team that plays well because you hate him for some reason is really ridiculous and you can do some growing up. Besides I doubt you will ever become Derek Jeters wife. He’s not a hater and has a lot of class. Whatever his personal feelings are with Arod, I’m sure as a teammate he’s happy for him to be back on the team to have some help with winning games. Arod has not been a cancer on the team none of last season and it was his best showing. So get over it and either support the Yankee players or stop calling yourself a true yankee fan. Like the other poster said about hypocrite fans and haters. They only jinx our team.

  268. PittsburghYankeeFan November 14th, 2007 at 9:27 pm

    Miller (aka Cynthia Rodriguez): Sorry about the stripper jokes. Pete Abraham has her number now.

    Kasey: They improved markedly without Torre. I love Joe as much as the next person, but 12 years is enough–you get stale. More hunger and better pitching management and in game decisions should ensue.

  269. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 14th, 2007 at 9:27 pm

    Bobcat: Nah, we’ll come up with something more creative before long ;)

  270. Jeter's Future Wife November 14th, 2007 at 9:28 pm

    Buster’s article that he just posted 18 min ago is nothing new – I just don’t understand what “Cynthia” has to do with any of this? give me a break, she is probably the worst goal digger, she was publicly made aware that her husband is hangin with strippers and she could leave him and almost catch Oprah for richest female in US!

  271. Ducky Bent November 14th, 2007 at 9:28 pm

    Jeter’s Future Wife,

    Obviously, the way all this went down brought out a host of emotions amongst Yankees fans. I just don’t see any negatives to the Yank’s filling a need with one of the premier players to ever play the game.

    You mention Santana. I don’t see A-Rod’s potential signing as a hindrance to us getting Johan at all. If anything, with A-Rod’s signing, we get to keep all our players and top prospects that can in turn be used to land Santana.

    Also, whomever we would have landed probably would have commanded 15-20 mil per year and have nowhere near the talent of A-Rod.

    That’s just how I see it.

  272. sunny615 November 14th, 2007 at 9:29 pm

    While not an arod defender, I am grateful he’ll be at 3B over anyone else out there (Crede, Atkins, Lowell, or Betemit). And honestly, just because the Yankees signed Arod to big money means they can’t throw big money at Santana? pshaw. While not the Bank of America, the Steins have enough bank to get and sign Santana long term if they really want him. This is the Yankees we’re talking about here, not the Drays. And truth be told, one of my coworkers was ready to leave our firm for another, but our firm gave him a nice raise to get him to stay – a nice raise. Am I estranged from him because he fanagled a bug raise out of our company? Hell no… Good for him and now do I do that? These a professionals – not college drunks. Get a grip. I can see it now – Giambi stewing in the corner – “How dare arod get that kind of money with those shanagans! You won’t see me throwing to him!” boo-hoo.

  273. whoa November 14th, 2007 at 9:29 pm

    Jeter’s Future Wife November 14th, 2007 at 8:59 pm

    I for one still and not that warm and fuzzy about welcoming AROD back. I still think he’s a cancer to a team…

    I have it on good authority that Jeter is embarrassed by both your user name and your posts.

  274. carolinanyy November 14th, 2007 at 9:31 pm

    They got the player back, stuck it to the agent (which many in the Yankee heirarchy aren’t heartbroken over)

    How can you possibly stick it to an agent who will get 5% of a 10-year, $275 million contract.

    How? That’s just silly.

    Yanks got played.

  275. hmmm November 14th, 2007 at 9:32 pm

    “I was looking forward to a team with a lot of role players on the team instead of superstar after superstar.”

    me too. there is nothing worse than having hall of fame talent play for your favorite team.

    i really wanted Joe Crede.

    who needs players who get on base when you have guys who get their uniforms dirty.

    we need gritty, gutty hitters with .310 OBPs and no more than 20 HRs.

    HRs are bad. they kill rallies.

  276. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 9:33 pm

    Jeter’s wife, Jorge’s wife was also part of the discussions. Even thought it is a business they are still a family. Their husbands live with the team 8 months a year.

  277. kasey November 14th, 2007 at 9:33 pm

    “At the end of the day, I’d say its a win-win for Arod and the Yankees. When that happens, its usually called a good deal.”

    i love your posts, dude, and you know a ton about the game, but you’re the same guy who was ranting during the playoffs that they had to let him go because they need players who can play come october. i’m paraphrasing, as your exact words were actually harsher than that.

    now it’s a good day because he’s coming back? whatever. i guess as long as you can talk yourself into the signing, it’s a “win-win.”

    me? i’ll go ahead and call it what it is: alex rodriguez getting what he wants in the end and the yankees ponying up a ton of money to bring back the exact same lineup that got shut down by the likes of paul byrd and jake westbrook in the postseason. you posted on that, as well, but it seems this “good news” has wiped your memory clean of everything you posted during the playoffs.

    again, you’ve got a ton of knowledge about the game and your posts are insightful, but this is a pretty big 180 from what you were saying in october. hell, sounds like you’d fit right in in the yankees front office.

  278. Boston Dave November 14th, 2007 at 9:33 pm

    Arod… you still have a shot at love. are you interested?

  279. Ducky Bent November 14th, 2007 at 9:33 pm

    LMAO hmmm!

  280. hmmm November 14th, 2007 at 9:34 pm

    “give me a break, she is probably the worst goal digger”

    coming from someone named “Jeter’s Future Wife”.

  281. Brian November 14th, 2007 at 9:34 pm

    I am very disappointed by this news. First, I am angry at the Yankees for going back on their word, I definitely don’t trust them as much as I used to. Secondly, I am pissed at A-Fraud. I only want players who want to be on my team, by opting out that is slapping the team in the face. Now the fact he is going to be overpaid once again is spitting on the team. I will always love and cheer for the Yankees, and I have put up with A-Fraud’s antics, and supported him, but this is the year that I boo the hell out of him. The guy is an egotistical, pretty boy who will never win a World Series.

  282. SJ44 November 14th, 2007 at 9:34 pm

    Bobcat,

    I agree. Cashman has a pecking order and he’s hitting all of his marks. Molina is almost done and then they can get to shaping the bullpen, kicking the tires on some first base options, and see if the Twins put Santana on the market.

    I can confirm Boras is in Miami. I saw him myself yesterday. I imagine he will stay in Miami until everything is done.

  283. Jared S. November 14th, 2007 at 9:34 pm

    The last 3 weeks have Boras’ fingerprints all over it. First, if Arod REALLY wanted to be a Yankee and REALLY wanted to win a World Series as a Yankee, he would’ve accepted the original Yankees offer, which if I am correct, was about $30 million a year. Boras misread the market and told Arod that he could do better. Boras then realized that no team was willing to pay close to that, so he told Arod that he could still get within the Yankees good graces by appearing to crawl back to them. This alleged $275 million contract is still bigger than his previous contract, so he is taking a paycut from the initial Yankees offer but he is getting a raise from what he was paid last year. It’s pretty simple. He wants to be on the team that will pay him the most. He opted out because he thought the Yankees would not pay him the most. He is now a Yankee again because the Yankees will pay him the most. Boras is still his agent. He is still listening to Boras.

    The Yankees said they were done with Arod. They said that there would be no more negotiations. period. They did not say that if he wanted to talk to them, they would talk. They said that they were moving on. Don’t try to read between what they said. Just read what they said. The quotes say it all. http://www.waswatching.com/arc....._reac.html

  284. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 9:34 pm

    Jeter’s Future Wife-

    Don’t be a hata.

    What do you want Cynthia to do? File a law suit like Judith Regan?

    At least Alex validates his girlfriends’ parking, unlike J-Rod!

    ‘sides, Cynthia is a good mom.

    http://tinyurl.com/yrv48n

  285. Jeter's Future Wife November 14th, 2007 at 9:35 pm

    Taylor,

    you have no idea what you’re talking about – I’m not a hater by any stretch and have been a fan for over 20 years now. The name I post under is more of a joke than anything, hardly a groupie, I’m way too old for that! and

    oh by the way, in response to: “2nd you don’t sound like a Yankee fan just a hater and all the swearing and hate Yankee fans don’t need. We want to be in the playoffs and a good team. We want to do a heck of a lot better than we did last season.”

    well – duh! but like DJ said, we won before AROD got in town and we will win now that he’s gone (this was said at Torre’s function last week). My point is simple, we don’t need Alex to win the Series. Look at Boone and Scott Brosius, they were our heroes a short time ago and they weren’t any player like AROD. it just goes to show that everyone in this blog surely was hatin AROD when he was “gone”, now everyone has changed their tune. To each his own, I’m just not changed, maybe I will later on, but not now! and Taylor, don’t ever, ever doubt that I’m a fan, just have different opinions than you.

  286. kasey November 14th, 2007 at 9:35 pm

    and SJ44, i’m shocked to see that somebody of your intelligence believes the yankees “stuck it” to scott boras.

    you really think he had no idea what was going on? that he’s reading these stories and spitting coffee across his desk in surprise? boras knew a-rod was signing with the yankees the same way a-rod knew boras was announcing the opt-out during game four. boras is getting his cut of the massive salary so, guess what? he STILL wins.

  287. Jeter's Future Wife November 14th, 2007 at 9:37 pm

    Dr. Acula,

    now Cynthia, she on the other hand is someone that I could despise, with her whole t-shirt thing with children around, yeah, what a great mother! gimme a break, she has zero class!

  288. kasey November 14th, 2007 at 9:37 pm

    boras is in miami. hooray. i bet his cell phone and email don’t work out there. he was probably completely blindsided by this news.

    as for santana, if you want him, as pete said, say goodbye to cano and hughes, along with some kids in the system.

  289. Miller November 14th, 2007 at 9:37 pm

    Alright Im taking off. I have a question though, did Peter ackknowledge the fact that this rumor was on HIS blog three nights ago?

    Just wondering.

  290. Jeter's Future Wife November 14th, 2007 at 9:38 pm

    I mean, what could possibly be wrong in her life? she can buy anything, go anywhere, maybe just can’t buy her love! ha ha hee hee!

  291. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 9:38 pm

    I’m not sure Miller, shoot him an email.

  292. SJ44 November 14th, 2007 at 9:38 pm

    There is no doubt Kasey he has post-season issues.

    But, what’s the alternative right now?

    Look at the roster. No righthanded power at all.

    What are the realistic third base options?

    Lowell, Crede, Tejada, Betemit? Its not a sterling list.

    Add to it that there is a serious lack of RH power around baseball and the pickings are slim.

    The fact that he went against Boras and took the reins in this is a serious step forward for him.

    The money? He was going to get big money from somebody. It wasn’t like he was going to get scraps.

    Is he a perfect player? No. However, from Games 1-162, he’s the best player in the game.

    When you look at that, along with the possible options available to the Yankees, I say its a win-win deal.

    Both sides needed each other.

  293. Joe from Long Island November 14th, 2007 at 9:39 pm

    The starting rotation, though it has rookies, looks better to me than what we started with last April – Wang, maybe Pettitte, Hughes, Joba, Kennedy, Moose, compared with Wang, Pettitte, Moose, Pavano, and Igawa.

    Hopefully, no more experiments with rushed and under-prepared DeSalvo, Clippard, Wright…Time will tell.

  294. ORORO November 14th, 2007 at 9:39 pm

    Jennifer – HIP HIP JORGE!
    November 14th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
    Jeter’s wife, Jorge’s wife was also part of the discussions. Even thought it is a business they are still a family. Their husbands live with the team 8 months a year.

    Jeter’s wife?…that would be A Rod.

  295. dontfirecash November 14th, 2007 at 9:39 pm

    First round playoff exit here we come!!!!!!! I personally was looking forward to the Yanks sucking balls next season. I could have proved my worth as a fan by rooting for the Yanks through thick and thin. Now I have to root for the world’s number one douche bag: Me-Rod.

  296. PittsburghYankeeFan November 14th, 2007 at 9:40 pm

    Kasey

    Chill out. This makes sense for all concerned. I just wish it had a lot less drama. in the end, it makes everyone look better, except perhaps Boras.

  297. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 14th, 2007 at 9:40 pm

    Okay, am I the only one that’s wondering what the heck it is that SJ does?

    ;)

  298. Jeter's Future Wife November 14th, 2007 at 9:40 pm

    Jared S.

    so are you not liking this whole thing from what I read from you?

  299. Andrea November 14th, 2007 at 9:40 pm

    LOL Boston Dave

  300. asburyboss November 14th, 2007 at 9:41 pm

    how about AROD to SS, Lowell to 3d, jeter to 2d and cano to the Twins for Johan?

    Just saying…Bobcat?

  301. Jeter's Future Wife November 14th, 2007 at 9:42 pm

    dontfirecash,

    I can see it coming too! why not, we’re used to it now. hell, I look forward to the Hot Stove League now, it’s all we have 2nd week into October.

  302. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 9:43 pm

    Jeter’s Future Wife-

    How are kids ever gonna learn to spell without innovated streetware? It’s not like they’re gonna read “Huckleberry Finn” or Judy Blume.

  303. Jared S. November 14th, 2007 at 9:43 pm

    that would be correct. this whole thing stinks of borass. i think we shouldve offered arod 1 mil less than jeter is making just to show that we value jeter more. that just would have been funny even though arod clearly wouldnt accept it.

  304. kasey November 14th, 2007 at 9:43 pm

    SJ44,

    he’s certainly better than any of the guys you listed. i was intrigued by the possibility of cano at 3rd and somebody else at 2nd, but whatever.

    i just don’t buy that he cut boras out of the equation. you can bet scott had his hand in this.

    but, yeah, you’re right. he supplies the lineup with plenty of right-handed power, which they need. from games 1-162, as you said. however, after that, all bets are off. so, does he help them reach the goal of the organization? if that goal is tabloid headlines and a home run record chase in a few years, you bet. if the goal is a world series then, no.

  305. Anthony November 14th, 2007 at 9:44 pm

    What does ARod’s signing have to do with Santana? Did someone forget that we have our four worst contracts coming off the books in time for Santana’s free agency? Giambi, Pavano, Moose, and Farnsworth are all done after this year. With Giambi’s and Pavano’s contract, we have plenty of money for Santana, maybe Peavy, Ben Sheets, John Lackey, or Bonderman, too.

    I was looking forward to an end to ARod drama, but whatever, this is the Yankees, there will always be something. And he is the best player in baseball, let’s not forget that.

    Things are moving well. If we get ARod, Mo, and Pettitte back, we can start looking at a Santana trade. Or we could go to war with the addition of Joba, Hughes, and Kennedy for a full season. Hopefully, we’ll shore up the bullpen next and secure the bench. And I don’t know about Jose Molina, there are better options available. Perhaps Mike Lieberthal or Ramon Castro? It would be nice to have some power in a backup.

  306. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 9:44 pm

    see, I misspelled “streetwear” – LOL!

  307. YankeeJosh November 14th, 2007 at 9:44 pm

    Rebecca, no you’re not.

  308. PittsburghYankeeFan November 14th, 2007 at 9:44 pm

    Dontfirecash:

    If there were no bugs in game 2 and if Wang was a bit more tired in game 4 so his sinker had more bite, ARod would have hit the clinching HR in game 4.

    The Sox would have fallen to the Yankees, big time (we have their number), and ARod would have been a postseason hero.

    Girardi is not going to sit on his butt this time. Could it actually be that ARod really meant what he said all season about wanting to be a Yankee?

  309. SJ44 November 14th, 2007 at 9:44 pm

    Kasey,

    This is a hit to Boras. Not in money but in stature.

    He comes out of this as the guy who lost the staredown contest with Hank Steinbrenner.

    When was the last time he didn’t get his number? His number was 350 million. He also wanted Arod on the West Coast. He got neither.

    In one week, he had Greg Maddox and Alex Rodriquez go against his advice and do deals on their own.

    Yes, he gets the commission. He has plenty of money. This is all about power and ego.

    What has happened is that teams now see they can seperate the client from the agent if they hold their ground.

    That has never been the case with Scott Boras clients prior to this week.

  310. Mike in SF November 14th, 2007 at 9:45 pm

    I would seriously like to hear a credible argument, from those that watch games on a consistent basis, on why you are upset about the Torre situation.

    His mis-management, both micro and macro, has cost us a few title shots. I understand we should have kept in-house in a front office position. But another opportunity to orchestrate failure strategy? Thankfully not!

    Please justify to me why you are bitter on the improvement of our manager.

  311. Ducky Bent November 14th, 2007 at 9:45 pm

    Jeter’s Wife, please don’t turn this into a jealous yenta blog.

  312. Jeter's Future Wife November 14th, 2007 at 9:46 pm

    I think I am going to sign off,

    Bobcat, it was a pleasure and to the rest of you, check you out tomorrow, probably with more NY drama!

  313. Russell NY November 14th, 2007 at 9:47 pm

    “The Yankees will be in violation of baseball’s collective-bargaining agreement if they exclude agent Scott Boras from their negotiations with his client, Alex Rodriguez.”

    So tie him to a chair, staple his mouth shut, glue his eyelids closed, and plug his ears.

  314. JDnotDrew November 14th, 2007 at 9:47 pm

    Jeter’s wife: Cynthia’s shirt was designer and in no way is offensive. It’s the new style from europe. She’s prob a pretty good mom.

  315. -------- November 14th, 2007 at 9:48 pm

    “Boras wasn’t fired but clearly he was circumvented.”

    More like circumcised!!!!

  316. Jeter's Future Wife November 14th, 2007 at 9:48 pm

    Dr. Acula, LOL!!

    Ducky Bent,

    please, not jealous, just enjoy a few jabs here and there.

  317. Ducky Bent November 14th, 2007 at 9:48 pm

    Miller,

    Peter did acknowledge the “rumor” but not you by name. He pretty much shot it down as nonsense.

    I’m hoping that Peter eventually does acknowledge that it first broke on this blog, even though it wasn’t by him. And I hope he mentions you by name to give credit where credit is due.

  318. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 14th, 2007 at 9:48 pm

    Okay, for the record, I thought the Celtics were cute at first, but now I’m just plain angry.

  319. Leyen November 14th, 2007 at 9:48 pm

    Can I deem A-Rod excise opt out or not, it matters if salary subsidy.

  320. Jeter's Future Wife November 14th, 2007 at 9:49 pm

    JDnotDrew,

    I’m talking about the shirt she wore with an “expletive” on it! she wore it out in public!

  321. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 9:50 pm

    Mrs. Jeter,

    You’re either with us or you’re with the Red Sawks!

    http://tinyurl.com/2awr7b

    :lol:

  322. Jeter's Future Wife November 14th, 2007 at 9:50 pm

    JDnotDrew,

    here is the article about the shirt

    http://www.nypost.com/news/reg....._k__li.htm

  323. Russell NY November 14th, 2007 at 9:51 pm

    SJ44 – I could be wrong but didn’t Bernie Williams do it with Boras before?

  324. G. Love November 14th, 2007 at 9:51 pm

    I think Pete’s in denial. Or on vacation. Either one.

  325. Ducky Bent November 14th, 2007 at 9:51 pm

    LOL…. Dr Acula you come up with awesome stuff.

  326. Andrea November 14th, 2007 at 9:51 pm

    kasey: you make me laugh…do you go to the games and just sit there wit your arms folded, frowning, wearing black eyeliner with Dashboard Confessional playing in your ears?

    I’m kidding, of course. Everything you say makes sense, you just take the most pessimistic possible view. And it’s funny, because when Pete posted some of your music, it was not all that pessimistic sounding. It’s hard to connect your comments here to the music you played and I can only presume wrote.

    Well done. You’ve officially baffled me! :)

  327. Jeter's Future Wife November 14th, 2007 at 9:52 pm

    here’s the best part of the article in NY Post

    “The obscene phrase was plainly visible to thousands of fans – including plenty of kids – as she, her 2-year-old daughter, Natasha, and an older woman took their seats in the players’ family section of the House that Ruth Built.

    “[One] father, was so embarrassed, he got up and left and took his son,” who appeared to be about 10 years old, a fan said.

    “I mean this kid was right in back of Cynthia – his nose must have been about 4 inches away from the words ‘F- – - you.’ “

  328. Eddie Layton November 14th, 2007 at 9:52 pm

    Ten years ??????????????????!!!!!!!! Why did the Yanks give him ten years? Arod is going to turn 33 years old during the 2008 season. Yanks are going to be paying him nearly $30 million per year at age 40, 41 and 42. This is totally insane.

  329. Jeter's Future Wife November 14th, 2007 at 9:53 pm

    dr. Acula,

    what? I’m with NY, you know that!

  330. Joeysdadjoe November 14th, 2007 at 9:54 pm

    A lot will hinge on the young guns and whomever we use as 7th and 8th inning relievers.If Jason Giambi plays… and Cashman says he will… we have a monster lineup.

  331. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 9:55 pm

    Gracias, Ducky!

    awesome is as awesome does..

    Here, this is especially for you.

    http://tinyurl.com/2t273p

  332. Hooog November 14th, 2007 at 9:55 pm

    Andrea & BBB: I thought I was the onlu Empire fan. Now, I must go listen to GWAR.

  333. VTyanksfan November 14th, 2007 at 9:55 pm

    Anyone think Arod is on George Mitchell’s steroid or HGH list and wants to sign before the report comes out? Or that some teams are shying away from signing him because they think he’s on the list?

  334. SJ44 November 14th, 2007 at 9:55 pm

    Kasey,

    Cano had as much of a chance to play third as Bubba Crosby had to be the starting CF in 2006. I never saw that as a realistic possibility.

    Here’s why I don’t think this is Boras’ Plan.

    Arod was legitimately PISSED over all the bad PR after the WS.

    Don’t ask how I know, I know!

    Pissed enough to fire Boras? All I know is, Boras has spent more time in Miami during the last 2 weeks, than he has in years. The cynic in me says it was to babysit his client and make sure he didn’t get whacked.

    Arod usually goes out to Newport Beach to meet with Boras, not the other way around.

    Arod recently did a deal to buy Shaq’a house on Star Island in Miami. He did the deal himself. Boras was not involved in the transaction.

    When that happened, people in Miami starting talking about a “rift” between them.

    I didn’t pay much attention to it when it came my way because I was out of town on business, as I am most weekends in the Fall.

    However, when I came back to town on Monday, I started hearing more about this supposed rift. Then, I saw Boras in town, which made me curious.

    Why is he in Miami instead of meeting with teams, his usual MO when handling free agents?

    Then, I read Miller’s comment about “talks” going on. Made a few calls, got denials across the board.

    That made me think something was up.

    When the news broke today, I began to put two and two together, made a few more calls tonight. From what I have been told, it made me realize that this was not a Scott Boras plan. This really was about Arod trying to work things out with the Yankees.

    Who knows, maybe we are all being lied to but, I don’t think that’s the case.

    I really think this is the one instance where Scott screwed up and misread the marketplace and Arod really did take control of something for the first time in his life.

  335. Willis November 14th, 2007 at 9:55 pm

    Hey…where can I hear kasey’s music?

  336. Ducky Bent November 14th, 2007 at 9:56 pm

    If Jason Giambi plays… and Cashman says he will… we have a monster lineup.

    For what? 14 games? ;)

  337. Paul9 November 14th, 2007 at 9:56 pm

    Arod will figure it out in one of the next ten post seasons he plays in. Watch

  338. Mark November 14th, 2007 at 9:56 pm

    SJ44 -

    I believe you stand corrected. Varitek is a Boras client and clearly told him that he wanted to stay in Beansville hence the 4-year deal he signed at the end of ’04.

  339. dontfirecash November 14th, 2007 at 9:57 pm

    click the link on his handle.

  340. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 9:59 pm

    Mrs. Jeter

    You know guys only tease the Grrls they like.

    married women are fun! – in more ways than one – wink, wink.

  341. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 9:59 pm

    Hey…where can I hear kasey’s music?

    In an elevator near you.

  342. Ducky Bent November 14th, 2007 at 9:59 pm

    Dr Acula –

    Wow. Gave me the chills. Thanks!

  343. Vader November 14th, 2007 at 10:00 pm

    This is a day I don’t think many of us thought, especially Pete, would be coming, except Miller. I’ve said to many of my friends that I would always want A-Rod playing for the Yankees, but if it didn’t happen I wouldn’t miss the drama. I guess this is what he is.

    This is a great day for the Yankees. There was no way that they were going to replace his production, with the exception of lowering the team ERA by about a run and half and that still might not do it. Don’t forget there may possibly be three very young pitchers in the rotation next year. If this does happen and with this much steam I highly doubt it will fall apart, the Yankees did not have to give up anything but money to get this done.

    Now the Yankees can maybe put together a package to get Santana if he becomes available, since that is what this team has lacked come playoff time is a shutdown starter that will win a game turning series, something the Yankees haven’t had in some time.

  344. SJ44 November 14th, 2007 at 10:00 pm

    Russell,

    There is one significant difference between the Bernie negotiations and the Arod negotiations.

    Boras did all the work in the Bernie negotiations. What happened was, Bernie wanted to give the Yankees the final shot. So, he met with George.

    The contract, more specifically, the deal on the table from the Red Sox, was done by Boras. It was a question as to whether or not the Yankees wanted to match it, or exceed it.

    Boras still did the negotiating with the Yankees to finalize Bernie’s deal.

    In this case, this is Arod taking control of the situation and, along with his intermediaries, negotiating the numbers/length of the contract.

    Boras is merely serving in an advisory capacity. He isn’t running the negotiation.

    I can tell you, that was NOT the plan when they decided to opt out. That’s about as far away from their plan as anyone could have imagined.

  345. Janney November 14th, 2007 at 10:01 pm

    Yanks offer Lowell 4 year deal

    http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/sports/BO66884/

  346. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 10:01 pm

    asburyboss:

    Cano is not going anywhere. He has been mentioned as being part of a trade with the Twins for Santana, but only by the media, who have to write something this time of year. Cano is the type of player that Cashman wants to build around going forward.

    The inside betting money is on Santana staying put, for all sorts of political reasons (REAL political reasons!). The Twins cannot afford to lose the longest-standing “faces” of their franchise (Torii Hunter and Johan Santana) in the same season, and expect to sell enough tickets in their new stadium to justify the projections (sorry, Mauer and Morneau aren’t there yet).

    That said, the offensive side of the roster is all but done. The Yankees will run essenitially the same lineup out there that scored almost 1,000 runs.

    Now the REAL work begins in earnest.

    Pitching, pitching, pitching. As SJ44 has indicated, getting Viz in the fold, along with Pettitte, are the priorities.

    Look for names like Affeldt, Marte, Mahay to be tossed about, along with the usual cast of characters from last year when addressing the pitching staff. There are NO free agent starters available, so forget that.

    The current wisdom is to add a lefty or two in the bullpen and run the kids out there in relief roles (a la the Twins), so as to get them MLB experience AND manage their innings.

  347. SJ44 November 14th, 2007 at 10:02 pm

    Mark,

    Boras still negotiated the deal. Even got an extra year out of the Red Sox. Its different than what’s happening with Arod.

    This is Arod doing his own deal. Varitek did let Boras do the negotiating in his deal with the Red Sox. That’s how he got the 4th year.

  348. tim c. November 14th, 2007 at 10:04 pm

    espn breaking news
    ARod, yankees move closer to new deal.

  349. Tiffany November 14th, 2007 at 10:04 pm

    I’m not dreaming right? A-rod is back to the Yanks!!!!??? *rubing my eyes* someone pinch me!

  350. Brandon (I TOLD YOU ALEX WOULD BE BACK WOOOOHOOO !!!) November 14th, 2007 at 10:04 pm

    I just realized I guessed right on the next Yankee 3B Rebecca, on your blog :D

  351. Ducky Bent November 14th, 2007 at 10:05 pm

    Kasey-

    “The Reckoning”

    Two thumbs up!

  352. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 10:06 pm

    SJ44:

    Your information is correct regarding Boras’ need to “babysit” his client. Very much so…

  353. Ducky Bent November 14th, 2007 at 10:07 pm

    Well I guess we can scratch Lowell. Switching to 1b is something “he doesn’t want to do.”

    http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/sports/BO66884/

    (thanks for the link)

  354. Jeter's Future Wife November 14th, 2007 at 10:07 pm

    gosh, what will be next tomorrow?

  355. CB November 14th, 2007 at 10:08 pm

    This would not be the first time a Boras client negotiated directly and cut Boras out of the negotiations.

    Andruw Jones did the same thing during his last contract. Boras and the Braves reached an impasse and Jones went in with his father and signed a contract for below market value.

    That was taken as Jones wanting to stay with the Braves and taking a bad deal.

    Irregardless of whether the Yanks won or Arod on this one, Boras clearly takes a big hit on this. ARod was his crown jewel.

  356. Crawling Back November 14th, 2007 at 10:08 pm

    Yanks offer Lowell 4 year deal

    http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/sports/BO66884
    Nice Post ! I would LOVE for Lowell to reconsider and play first for us

  357. Brandon (I TOLD YOU ALEX WOULD BE BACK WOOOOHOOO !!!) November 14th, 2007 at 10:08 pm

    did they just say 10 yrs. $220 million ?

  358. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 10:09 pm

    Janney-

    Big Props. Now that’s Breaking News.

    BOSTON — 7Sports has learned that Mike Lowell has received contract offers from four separate MLB teams: the Braves, Angels, Cardinals, and Yankees.

    A source close to the Lowell side of the negotiations tells 7Sports that each offer is a 4-year contract, worth between $55-60 million.

  359. This (Next) Year November 14th, 2007 at 10:10 pm

    One A. Jones of the Braves went against Boras and did his 75m contract (which is now expiring) with his dad.

  360. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 10:10 pm

    The “offer” to Lowell should not come as a surprise.

    I’ve heard that sometimes teams make offers that they know will be rejected.

    The offer is about the years, not dollars, or position. Sound familiar?

  361. Boston Dave November 14th, 2007 at 10:10 pm

    signing lowell to play first would be an atrocious move

  362. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 10:10 pm

    we’ll give Lowell 60 million reasons to change his mind.

  363. Bryant November 14th, 2007 at 10:10 pm

    A-Rod backed out of the Shaq deal. Guess all those who thought 21 million dollars wouldn’t change his lifestyle were wrong.

  364. Brandon (I TOLD YOU ALEX WOULD BE BACK WOOOOHOOO !!!) November 14th, 2007 at 10:11 pm

    god I hope we’re just trying to bait Boston to overpay for Lowell 55 – 60 million Lowell is not worth that

  365. Boston Dave November 14th, 2007 at 10:11 pm

    bobcat, i think you’re probably right

  366. Anthony November 14th, 2007 at 10:11 pm

    That Lowell deal smacks of simply trying to make the Red Sox get into another bad contract. I don’t think they’re serious about it and they know he won’t switch to first. Besides, Tex is a free agent after this year, I don’t think the Yankees are going to go blocking up the position at this point, especially if they have ARod back. The offense will be as good as last year- maybe better because apart from ARod and Posada, everybody had down years. I also expect Cano to blossom this season into a 30+ homer guy.

  367. Joe from Long Island November 14th, 2007 at 10:13 pm

    Interesting tidbit about Lowell and his offers for 4 years (see link above).

    I wonder what the Braves intend to do with Chipper Jones, and the Cards with Rolen (I don’t think they’re moving Pujols off of 1st).

    Looks like Lowell might have to make a decision – go for the years/money and leave Boston and maybe even have to play 1B, depending on which offer, or stay in Boston for less money.

    Is Cash just tweaking the Sox, or does he intend to cut loose some of our 1B? It would seem to take us out of the Texeira sweepstakes if Lowell came here. Besides, I was looking forward to more of Shelly Duncan.

  368. Tiffany November 14th, 2007 at 10:14 pm

    btw my brother almost burned his a-rod shirt lol

  369. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 10:14 pm

    Lowell becomes the fall-back postion now. It keeps the pressure on the Red Sox AND A-Rod. More A-Rod.

    The Red Sox WILL let Lowell walk over the fourth year (remember Johnny Damon)?

    They believe 1B is easier to fill than 3B. And the won’t get in on Cabrera. He will go to the Dodgers, if anywhere.

  370. Andrea November 14th, 2007 at 10:14 pm

    Hoog: Empire fans are everywhere–just gotta find them! (You love GWAR, why don’t you join the band!)

  371. sunny615 November 14th, 2007 at 10:15 pm

    If they get Lowell at first – then who plays -

    Lowell 1B
    Giambi 1B, DH
    Matsui LF, DH
    Damon LF, DH
    Duncan RF, 1B, DH

    excess?

  372. dontfirecash November 14th, 2007 at 10:15 pm

    Tiffany,
    I leave all burning of baseball related materials to Scott “Sparky” Proctor.

  373. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 10:16 pm

    sunny:

    See above.

    The Cardinals’ bid is not about moving Pujols; it’s about Rolen. He is going to go.

  374. Ducky Bent November 14th, 2007 at 10:16 pm

    I think Texeira will sign an extension and remain with the Braves. He’s too crucial for them to let him go, plus he seems to like playing in Atlanta.

  375. Boston Dave November 14th, 2007 at 10:17 pm

    what makes everyone think the yankees will go after Teixera? It seems extremely unlikely that they’ll match the types of deals he’ll be offered (if they sign ARod then there is no chance). also, next year there may be more top FA starters than i can ever remember. screw adding more bats.

  376. Giuseppe Franco November 14th, 2007 at 10:17 pm

    Why would anyone want Mike Lowell to play First Base when they can sign someone like a much younger Mark Teixeira in another year?

    Doesn’t make any sense.

    Regardless of A-Rod, I don’t want Lowell playing 3B or 1B. Yankee Stadium is not a good fit for him.

  377. Joe from Long Island November 14th, 2007 at 10:17 pm

    If Lowell left the Sox, they could move Youkilis to 3rd, and put Hinske at 1st. Hinske did win ROY when he came up. To be honest, I don’t know what happened to his career, but obviously Toronto gave up on him, and now he warms the bench in Boston.

  378. Boston Dave November 14th, 2007 at 10:19 pm

    does anyone think the Yankees are going to vastly overpay for Lowell to play first – when the only real asset he brings is his gold glove defense at 3rd

    AND give boston their first rd pick?

  379. Sparky O November 14th, 2007 at 10:19 pm

    Terrell has 25 Million reasons to live ….

  380. Andrea November 14th, 2007 at 10:19 pm

    Haha. I already colored in the NY on the hat on my A-Rod calendar. Oops.

  381. Hahaha November 14th, 2007 at 10:20 pm

    “His playoff performances aside, keeping A-Rod at third beats Mike Lowell or shipping out young prospects for Miguel Cabrera.”

    Oh come on dude! You have been taking shots at ARod at any chance you get. He is the main reason they made the playoffs this year, and he wasn’t the best or worst hitter in the postseason this year. Jeter and Posada and Melky and Mientkiewicz and Giambi were worse. Damon and Cano and ABreu were better than him. (in a small number of at-bats, mind you) Sure ARod struggled in 2005 and 2006 in october but that was in less than 30 total at-bats. I’m glad you don’t make baseball decisions for a team based on small datasets like that.

    Are you really saying that once the playoffs start you’d rather have Mike Lowell as your third baseman instead of A-Rod? Haha! Come on, that’s a joke. Do you not remember how ARod had some monster postseasons against the Yankees when he was with Seattle? Huh? Or were you rooting for Boston then?

    A-Rod is a career .279 hitter in the playoffs with a .360+ OBP in about 150 at-bats. When he gets more at-bats his numbers will get closer to his typical averages. It’s called Small Sample Size.

  382. Peter Rabbit November 14th, 2007 at 10:21 pm

    Question guys,

    Why can’t the Yankees put Wilson Betemit at 1B? He’s only 25, he’s a satisfactory fielder, and he’s a switch hitter. Why spend all this money on Lowell if Betemit can do it?

    What’s Betemit going to do? He was playing everyday in LA, but we’re going to make him a bench player?

    And wouldn’t it be great if Shelley played first? That guy is awesome, I hope he doesn’t fade as fast as Shane Spencer. He looks like he could have some staying power.

  383. Brandon (I TOLD YOU ALEX WOULD BE BACK WOOOOHOOO !!!) November 14th, 2007 at 10:22 pm

    oh sh** they found Stephon Marbury !!!!

  384. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 10:23 pm

    Tiffany, I think alot of people have to pull the shirts out of the fire place, and out of the garage, and wash out the oil stains. :)

    I’m glad I helf off on doing anything to my shirt.

    Brandon that offer sounds more like it. his original contract was 250 subtract the Texas money. If that is true the Yankees come out looking really good.

  385. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 14th, 2007 at 10:24 pm

    Brandon–do me a favor, send me an email.

    Right now it looks like you’re the winner of my ‘guess the third baseman’ contest! =D

  386. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 10:24 pm

    Lose the idea that the Yankees are going to add any more bats. Enough. Don’t need any more. No Tex, no Torii, no nobody.

    They are grooming kids and have the start to a dynomite farm system. If they start bringing in FA to fill the positions that the kids are working toward, it sends a horrible message to the younger players. The Yankees are just starting to turn that thinking around INTERNALLY. We all see it, but the players are starting to believe they have a chance as well.

    That said, here’s a nugget:

    The internal thinking at Yankeeland is very simple. No more outside deals. Grow what you eat. The ideal scenario is that the Twins wait to trade Santana in mid-year. By that time, Tabata will be playing again and the Yankees will have had the next wave of young pitchers showcased at the MLB level (a la Joba’s two months). Then they will have some real bargaining chips.

  387. Boston Dave November 14th, 2007 at 10:24 pm

    peter rabbit – that makes more sense than lowell at first. i honestly dont think the yanks will be too concerned with first if they sign arod. phillips/giambi/duncan/damon? is fine. would you want an all-star there? of course. do you need one there? no.

  388. Andrea November 14th, 2007 at 10:26 pm

    I don’t like Betemit playing every day. He strikes out a lot. But maybe that’s because he didn’t play every day.

    Shelley Duncan for 1B!

  389. Keith November 14th, 2007 at 10:27 pm

    I concur with SJ44′s thoughts on Boras babysitting A-Rod. It became a case of A-Rod being tired of it and deciding he wanted to be his own man for once in his baseball career.
    A-Rod might have looked in the mirror and didn’t want to be viewed as hypocritical in what he kept saying last summer about his desire to remain a Yankee.
    He knew he was in for a big contract but didn’t like the way Boras went about his posturing.
    We may be seeing the maturity of A-Rod emerging.

  390. Brandon (I TOLD YOU ALEX WOULD BE BACK WOOOOHOOO !!!) November 14th, 2007 at 10:28 pm

    Rebecca- I’ll write you back in your blog

  391. Joe from Long Island November 14th, 2007 at 10:29 pm

    I think they wing it at 1st, and save youngsters for when Santana becomes available. Remember, pitching is most important, and he’s the best out there.

    The Lowell bid, I think, is to tweak Boston to go for a bad deal.

  392. Brandon (I TOLD YOU ALEX WOULD BE BACK WOOOOHOOO !!!) November 14th, 2007 at 10:29 pm

    be back later guys :D , gotta watch my Knicks :(

  393. Bryant November 14th, 2007 at 10:30 pm

    Yanks are going to play Giambi at 1st base 3 or 4 times a week or until the wheels fall off. They are not going to pay that much to have him be a pinch hitter.

  394. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 14th, 2007 at 10:30 pm

    Alright I”m going to hit the hay. Never a dull moment in Yankeeville.

  395. YankeeJosh November 14th, 2007 at 10:32 pm

    Betemit is not an everyday player. He strikes out way too much and can’t hit right-handed. I don’t want to see him anywhere near the starting line-up. I’d take Lowell at First as it would add another decent right handed bat to the line-up, and his glove would be just as solid at first.

    How’s this for a line-up:

    1. Damon (LF)
    2. Jeter (SS)
    3. Abreu (RF)
    4. A-Rod (3B)
    5. Giambi or Matsui (DH)
    6. Posada (C)
    7. Cano (2B)
    8. Lowell (1B)
    9. Melky (CF)

    That’s a very balanced line-up.

  396. kd November 14th, 2007 at 10:33 pm

    Man, what does SJ44 do? He’s simply amazing.

    What are the chances that Lowell wants to play 1b? I think he has more value at 3d. This will just make the Red Sox offer 4/65, a contract that will hurt them. Good news.

  397. pat November 14th, 2007 at 10:33 pm

    SNY reporting A-Rod deal could be done by tomorrow. 10 years and as much as $300 million with incentives.

  398. TheWangWay November 14th, 2007 at 10:34 pm

    This is ridiculous. A-Rod opted out, got an extension and a pay raise from the Yankees. Boras is a genius. You guys are retards.

  399. asburyboss November 14th, 2007 at 10:35 pm

    I want Shelley to be given every opportunity to be the full-time 1st base. Why not? Giambi? he’s an expensive PH and a reminder about 7 year contracts

  400. Drive 4-5 November 14th, 2007 at 10:36 pm

    I just want to see Lowell leave the Red Sox. How great would it be if, on the same day ARod finalizes the Yankee deal, Lowell signs with the Cardinals?

  401. gayle November 14th, 2007 at 10:37 pm

    On the issue of the shirts how about the Yankee store which had arod shirts at 50 per cent off and also if he does sign all the YES specials they edited last week to take arod out of it (ie MO Yankeeography) they will have to edit him back in lol

  402. Giambobo November 14th, 2007 at 10:39 pm

    A-Rod opted out of $91M through 2010 ($32M for 2008, $32M for 2009, $27M for 2010). $275M – 91M = $184M by the final 7 years = a little over $26M/yr. but I heard there are incentives totalling to what? No opt out clause/s I hope.

    Lowell is in play for I assume 1B? How? Damon and Matsui make $13M/yr. each through 2009 and have to share LF and DH. Matsui has a full no-trade clause. Giambi is an untradeable $21M in salary for 2008 with a $5M buyout for 2009. Superceding that is he has a full no-trade clause and is a 10-and-5 guy. He has to play 1B and get some time at DH, too.

  403. Drive 4-5 November 14th, 2007 at 10:40 pm

    gayle,

    As soon as I read your post the Modells jingle “I gotta go to Mo’s” went off in my head lol.

  404. JoeT YANKEES November 14th, 2007 at 10:41 pm

    definitely did not expect this from A-Rod

    As much as we all hated him a couple of weeks ago up until a few hours ago I’m still glad to have him back

    He’s obviously much better then Lowell, and Mike’s numbers away from the fen were not very impressive and as good as Miggy C is, he would’ve cost way too much in players…. for the Yankees, spending the money on A-Rod isn’t really a big deal at all

  405. Dr. Acula November 14th, 2007 at 10:42 pm

    You guys are retards.

    Uh-Oh. Boston’s inferiority complex is rearing it’s ugly head.

    speaking of which.

    Matt Damon named this year’s “Sexiest Man Alive”

    Not a bad guy, for a Harvard dude.

    http://tinyurl.com/2bf5f9

  406. Crawling Back November 14th, 2007 at 10:42 pm

    Lowell is only offered a contract for 4 years with the Yankees if he will play 1st base….Hmmm…I WONDER if that means that the Yankees are SURE they will sign A-Rod…..ahh…that’s a *BIG FAT YES* ! :-)

  407. Tony C November 14th, 2007 at 10:43 pm

    What happened to all the haters? Have they been won over by thr potential maturation of MR. Rod ?

  408. -------- November 14th, 2007 at 10:45 pm

    “You guys are retards.”

    Better intellectually disabled than emotionally disturbed. Please return to your parent’s basement, or the rock you came out from under.

  409. Sparky O November 14th, 2007 at 10:45 pm

    Yanks only offered Lowell 4 years he should be offended

  410. sunny615 November 14th, 2007 at 10:45 pm

    Bobcat
    November 14th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
    sunny:
    See above.
    The Cardinals’ bid is not about moving Pujols; it’s about Rolen. He is going to go.

    um… what? when did I mention rolen or pujols?

  411. Boston Dave November 14th, 2007 at 10:45 pm

    Pete has a better chance of bagging Kim Kardashian than the Yanks do of signing Lowell to play first. put it to rest.

  412. randy l. November 14th, 2007 at 10:46 pm

    “This is a hit to Boras. Not in money but in stature.
    He comes out of this as the guy who lost the staredown contest with Hank Steinbrenner.”
    sj44″
    so you freely admit there is no hit to boras in money.
    then what’s up with the anti boras nonsense?
    arod and boras have gotten what they want.they now have 275 million for ten years. they had a three year 81 million dollar contract.
    the process that boras put in motion ended up a total success for arod.
    i’m a bit puzzled by the spin you’re trying to push that boras somehow lost something here.
    boras won.

  413. JoeT YANKEES November 14th, 2007 at 10:46 pm

    and here I am thinking that I was the sexiest man alive….

    btw what I meant with the money not being a big deal thing is that with a lot of teams they have 15 million dollars to spend this offseason (or w/e the number is) with the Yankees if there is a way to improve the team, they’ll go for it either way.

    heard a joke the other day on XM Radio from an Indians fan talking about payrolls and how the Indians are much lower then the Red Sox and Yankees – he said the difference between a sox fan and a Yankees fan is the Sox fan will look at the difference and try to rationalize how they spend the same amount and a Yankees fan will say “hell yeah we spend more then u, and we’re going to kick ur @$$ with it!!” – thought that was funny lol

  414. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 14th, 2007 at 10:47 pm

    kd: none of us are quite sure, but I think we all want to know…

  415. #13 - make it 55 next year AROD November 14th, 2007 at 10:48 pm

    Yup, 3rd base in NY isn’t available for Lowell. LOL

    Either the Yankees already knew they had AROD’s deal locked up or they made the Lowell offer so the Red Sox would increase their payroll.

    Either way timing is everything. The AROD stuff had to break (thanks Miller!) before the Lowell offer news. Imagine what we’d all be saying if we didn’t know about AROD and were just hearing that NY offered Lowell a contract for 1st base only?
    :)

  416. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 10:48 pm

    sunny:

    No, that was in response to your “if they get Lowell” post. My reference to “above” was that they are not going to get Lowell.

  417. Crawling Back November 14th, 2007 at 10:48 pm

    “pat
    November 14th, 2007 at 10:33 pm
    SNY reporting A-Rod deal could be done by tomorrow. 10 years and as much as $300 million with incentives.”
    .
    Where is this being reported ?

  418. hmmm November 14th, 2007 at 10:49 pm

    “I’m talking about the shirt she wore with an “expletive” on it! she wore it out in public!”

    you mean there were EXPLETIVES? IN YANKEE STADIUM?!!

    in all my years and hundreds of trips to the bronx, i have never heard anything like the word printed on that T-shirt!

  419. Crawling Back November 14th, 2007 at 10:49 pm

    Pete was seen with Kim over the weekend ;-)

  420. sunny615 November 14th, 2007 at 10:50 pm

    bobcat – ah – then we’re in agreement – I don’t think Lowell is worth that kind of deal.

  421. JoeT YANKEES November 14th, 2007 at 10:50 pm

    wait I didn’t hear the Lowell news…. they offered him 4 years to play first?? how much??

  422. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 10:52 pm

    The offer to Lowell keeps the pressure on many organizations/individuals:

    1) Red Sox, to match the four years, which they won’t.
    2) Red Sox, to go to the “find a 1B instead” plan.
    3) Red Sox, to handle the internal problems it would cause (clubhouse) by NOT bringing Lowell back.
    4) Angels, to up the ante, or get in play on Cabrera.
    5) Dodgers, see Angels.
    6) A-Rod, to keep negotiating.

  423. sunny615 November 14th, 2007 at 10:52 pm

    I guess today was not a good day for Pete to go on vacation – looks like there’s going to be 1200-1500 comments per post – thanks to this arod story – over the next few days.

    thank goodness lohud got that new server… :-)

  424. sunny615 November 14th, 2007 at 10:53 pm

    $55 to $60 mil with a play first base stipulation

  425. sunny615 November 14th, 2007 at 10:54 pm

    6) A-Rod, to keep negotiating

    This I see as one of the major reasons for the offer.

  426. sunny615 November 14th, 2007 at 10:54 pm

    off to work. nite all.

  427. Boston Dave November 14th, 2007 at 10:54 pm

    is $28M/yr really that much when Lowell is going to get $15/16M to hit .270, 24HR, 85runs, 90RBI in the NL? or carlos silva or kyle lohse getting $12M to pitch like crap?

    the more i think about it, salaries are going through the roof and getting one of the top 3 players in all of baseball for the price of 1 mike lowell and 1 carlos silva isnt that bad after all.

  428. Jamie November 14th, 2007 at 10:56 pm

    wait i missed it, did the yankees offer lowell 4 years?

  429. pat November 14th, 2007 at 10:57 pm

    Crawling Back

    On Sportsnite on SNY (TV show).

  430. Boston Dave November 14th, 2007 at 10:57 pm

    jamie, it was reported that 4 teams did, including the yankees. but the yankees want him to play first… and it was probably just an offer they knew he would refuse.

  431. #13 - make it 55 next year AROD November 14th, 2007 at 10:58 pm

    Crawling:
    In Jon Heyman’s SI article,
    “The new discussions are believed to be centering on a 10-year contract for about $280 million. They are also likely to include a big incentive package that could put the total package well over $300 million.”

  432. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 14th, 2007 at 10:58 pm

    …I just heard from a friend $25 mill bonus for passing bonds/aaron

  433. J-Dawg November 14th, 2007 at 10:58 pm

    This whole thing is amazing. I really don’t have anything to add, I think that it has all been said. The Yankees are definitely filling in the hole at third base with the best third baseman available.

  434. #9 November 14th, 2007 at 10:59 pm

    Sweeny Murti says 10 years at $275 million with $25 million, in incentives, tied to passing the HR marks of The Babe, Hammering Hank & Baroid…

  435. OhioYank November 14th, 2007 at 10:59 pm

    Here is Miller’s heads-up in case you missed it …

    “OK well take this with a grain of salt. Again TAKE THIS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.

    But I have a friend who works with agent Peter Greenberg and he has heard the A-Rod was so mad of the way Boras handled this whole situation that he went behind Boras’ back and is negotiating a deal with Cashman that could come as early as tomorrow. Its 10 years, 27.2 a year with incentive clauses. Those incentives being more money when he hits 600, 650 and then passes Babe, Hank and Bonds…

    Now the Yankees need to focus on two things… Hope the Twins jump the gun and take a package of prospects that does not include the Big 3 and add a left reliever.

  436. hmmm November 14th, 2007 at 11:00 pm

    “This is ridiculous. A-Rod opted out, got an extension and a pay raise from the Yankees. Boras is a genius. You guys are retards.”

    actually, he hasn’t gotten anything yet.

    why don’t we wait for the final numbers?

  437. #13 - make it 55 next year AROD November 14th, 2007 at 11:01 pm

    Crawling:
    Also portions of the NJ Real News article below on reported details of the AROD deal.
    “Once Rodriguez told the Yankees he wanted to come back, things started moving pretty quickly. According to a person who was briefed on the discussions, Rodriguez and the Yankees are already in negotiations on a 10-year contract worth approximately $280 million.

    The person, who requested anonymity because he is not directly involved, said the deal would be heavily backloaded, with only about $50 million of it coming in the first three years.

    The Yankees made it clear to Rodriguez that the only way they would do the deal is if he agreed to a much lower salary in 2008, 2009 and 2010. When Rodriguez went back to the Yankees and told them he wanted to come back, he agreed to essentially make up for the Texas money by accepting a lower salary for the next three years.

    After 2010, Rodriguez’s salaries would increase to an average of more than $30 million per year. The deal would also include incentive bonuses that could push Rodriguez’s salary higher, even in the first three years, if he met certain performance thresholds.

    The average annual salary of $28 million would be more than $27 million a year he would have made in the peak-salary years of his previous contract and would match Roger Clemens’ record salary of $28 million from 2007.

    The person briefed on the discussions said the deal was complicated and could take a few days to finalize, but that both sides seemed confident it would eventually get done.”

    Sorry don’t know how to do links.

  438. Paul9 November 14th, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    lets just hope hes not on the mitchel report

  439. Bobcat November 14th, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    OhioYank:

    Actually, the hope is that the Twins wait til July. The Yankees need time to showcase the next round of prospects, who will, if all goes according to plan, begin the season as the Yankee bullpen, en masse.

  440. tonyb November 14th, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    Am I the only one who thinks 10 years @ 27.5 for a player who is 32 is just insane? I don’t think Alex or Boras gave up a damn thing with this contract, on the contrary, they got everthing they wanted. Boras was floating the $350 million dollar figure just to soften everyone up for a deal in this vicinity.

    No other team that would have come even close to this deal, at least not for that many years. Sorry, but we got hosed.

  441. pat November 14th, 2007 at 11:03 pm

    Torre on A-Rod
    The McCourt’s are committed to winning. We would have been involved.

    On Mo saying he would consider going with Joe to LA

    He used me as a shill, Torre said, laughing. That’s fine. I don’t care.

    As for the possibility of Rivera joining him in Los Angeles even though the Dodgers have closer Takashi Saito, Torre said: “Anybody who doesn’t want him is crazy. Put it that way

  442. Boston Dave November 14th, 2007 at 11:04 pm

    Pete said it best… giving incentives based on HR is terrible. do you want ARod trying to hit HR? isnt that what he was doing going for #500?? i would rather just pay him the incentives as part of the deal than have that crap in it. i hope thats not the case. because its a BAD idea.

  443. #13 - make it 55 next year AROD November 14th, 2007 at 11:04 pm

    Great Torre comments, thanks pat.

  444. randy l. November 14th, 2007 at 11:05 pm

    hmmm-
    if there’s one thing we have consistently agreed on, it’s that arod is a great player and that the yankees are obviously stronger with him on the team.
    what’s your take on boras and arod as far as getting what they wanted?
    to me, it looks like a number and years that they would have put up on the chalk board last winter as a goal they were after.
    whatever the perception is on the hank vs. boras issue, the yankees are a much better team tonight (assuming the deal gets completed) then they were last night.

  445. Boston Dave November 14th, 2007 at 11:06 pm

    tonyb… $27.5M = 1 mike lowell and 1 kyle lohse. unless there are escalator clauses, 27.5 will not be that much in 2-3 years. salaries are going through the roof.

  446. Boston Dave November 14th, 2007 at 11:06 pm

    please just pay ARod $300M up front if it means no HR clauses…

  447. #13 - make it 55 next year AROD November 14th, 2007 at 11:07 pm

    Agree that would be a bad idea if its actually worded that way. I can hear it now, as each HR gets closer to the record the buzz will be on AROD getting another $25 mill or whatever it will be when he breaks the record. Then all the “all about money” will start again instead of it being about the game and enormity of the records.

  448. Boston Dave November 14th, 2007 at 11:09 pm

    and will the idiotic johan santana trade rumors stop???

    please refer to pete’s earlier blog regarding the imbeciles that say “lets get santana without giving up the big 3 or cano”

  449. Boston Dave November 14th, 2007 at 11:09 pm

    *trade proposals

  450. This (Next) Year November 14th, 2007 at 11:10 pm

    Sorry if this is very late, but where is it reported that th Yankees made a 4 year offer to Lowell?

  451. Patrick November 14th, 2007 at 11:12 pm

    TonyB- True, 10 years is too much for anyone. But, ARod has the bodytype and skill set that age very well, he’ll be an MVP candidate each of the first 4 years, the yearly salary won’t see as crazy in a few years, and honestly, the Yanks can afford to carry a lot more bad contracts then any other team in the game.

  452. hmmm November 14th, 2007 at 11:19 pm

    “what’s your take on boras and arod as far as getting what they wanted?
    to me, it looks like a number and years that they would have put up on the chalk board last winter as a goal they were after.”

    i kindof agree with you that Boras is laughing all the way to the bank. he is getting paid no matter what and he doesn’t seem to mind being public enemy #1.

    that said, the deal is NOT finished. we don’t have the details. Buster Olney said on ESPN that the deal was more like $220M for 10 years.

    i find that REALLY hard to believe, but it might not be baseless in that the $220M is guaranteed, and the next $50M is in incentives.

    if that was the case, i think it would be a coup for the yankees and a “blow” to Boras.

    incentives are great for a team like the yankees. the yankees are more than happy to pay you for producing.

    i have to wait to see the final contract.

  453. tonyb November 14th, 2007 at 11:21 pm

    Boston Dave,

    I’m not really unhappy with the $ figure, it’s the years. A lot of things can happen in 10 years. If AROD hurts his back in year three and becomes a player with average power (i.e. Donnie Baseball) this contract will hurt. I know Alex stays in shape and works hard, but 10 years is a long time.

    I don’t think anyone was bidding against us and we didn’t play hardball after he came “groveling” back to us.

    Then again, maybe the Yanks wanted to sign Alex for 10 years. If we did, this invalidates my point.

  454. stuart November 14th, 2007 at 11:28 pm

    the yanks are not getting Lowell along with arod, dream o n….have Lowells value is his fielding at 3rd.

    2 vizciano stink he is a big priority to whom??? He is 32 or 33 and utterly average at best…

    if arod does get more then the Ynaks were offering him before after deducting the texas money the Yanks are MORONS AND FOOLS..

    iF arod doES NOT LIKE THERE OFFER HE CAN WalK….

  455. PAT M. November 14th, 2007 at 11:29 pm

    Miller you must get a raise in stature by the members who partake in these everyday discussions….I do remember some of the more promient bloggers who denounced the possibilty that A-Rod would be returning to the Yanks….It’ll be interesting if any of them admit that they were wrong and offer some form of an apology for their ranting…..They know who they are……Good call my man…..

  456. Bill A November 14th, 2007 at 11:30 pm

    Stop worrying about Arod breaking down 6 years in to the contract. The guys getting paid to perform on the field, but also, clearly, the FO is investing in his pursuit and eventual ownership of the all time hr record.

    Hank, et al know what they’re doing. They’re not giving him a ten year contract because he’s deanding it, they’re giving him it because they’re now all in with arod, all the drama all the eventual glory.

  457. Doug Niman November 14th, 2007 at 11:31 pm

    The biggest loser today is Boras – no doubt. The Yankees win because we gained a right handed power bat and 3rd baseman without having to give up any of our young arms. Which believe me, we would have had to if Miguel Cabrera was to be considered.

    A-Rod wins for obvious reasons – he gets a raise and the years – plus he gains a little cred by defying Boras and showing a little class. Maybe Pete’s right, maybe it took Alex 32 years to find his cajones.

    No one was more angry at A-Rod then I the night he opted out. I hoped and prayed all year that he would do the right thing for himself, his legacy and for the pinstripes.

    Opting out was a Boras stunt, but A-Rod took the heat. He looked like a chump and he knew it. i would love to hear a press conference where he displayed a little humility.

    It made sense for him to come back. For everyone really. Now he can have a legacy that goes beyond his contracts. He can now take his place amongst the greatest Yankees of all time, bring the home run record back to New York where it belongs and forever be pictured next to the Babe. What a story that will be. How could he have even considered letting that get away from him?

    If there were a Mt. Rushmore for the Yankees, when it is all said and done, A-Rod would be one of the faces.

    I can’t wait for the Boras press conference – or when he is forced to say something at the Winter Meetings.

    So, i am happy to have A-Rod. We need him – hands down. He’s the best player in the game and he wears our uniform. I want him to really become a Yankee though and for that I am unfortunately still holding my breath.

    Doug

  458. Russell W November 14th, 2007 at 11:34 pm

    Thanks SJ for clearing that up. Heard somewhere that Boras has to be in on the negotiations but I bet it will be to a limited extent.

    Sunny – I highly doubt the Yankees are going to sign Lowell for 4 years to play 1st base. 1st base is a power position and they would be getting next-to-nothing out of him at Yankee Stadium (or any park outside fenway).

    Pray Tex hits the market after his stint with the Braves :)

  459. Sparky O November 14th, 2007 at 11:35 pm

    Eric Wedge must be pissed Arod did this the day he was named Manager of the year

  460. hmmm November 14th, 2007 at 11:36 pm

    “if arod does get more then the Ynaks were offering him before after deducting the texas money the Yanks are MORONS AND FOOLS..”

    except we’ll never really know, will we? we’ll never know what the yankees were going to be willing to pay before he opted out.

    the only number that was floated was an initial offer. surely Boras would have countered, and they would have met in the middle.

    only the yankees know the initial number they had in mind.

    all reports sound like they were willing to pay him about $30M/year.

    sounds more like $27M/year now.

    take the $3M per year difference, times 10 years…$30M.

    but yes, we get it, you don’t like A-Rod.

  461. Jim Clark November 14th, 2007 at 11:36 pm

    So Posada is staying. Rivera almost certainly will. Rodriguez
    probably will since Boras has found out no one wants to start at $350 million. Pettitte will either stay or retire. Aren’t any of these guys going to be like Bowa and Mattingly in following Torre to Chavez Ravine?

  462. Wolf In Pinstripes November 14th, 2007 at 11:37 pm

    Nobody should fixate on the length of the contract, as ARod’s contracts have been the best example of any to show he won’t necessarily be playing here in 10 years. How many years did he sign for in Texas, and how many of those did he actually play in Texas? Signing a 10-yr contract does not etch in stone that he will be a Yankee for 10 more years.

  463. pat November 14th, 2007 at 11:42 pm

    Wolf
    If A-Rod stays on pace to break a HR record, the Yankees aren’t letting him go anywhere. If he isn’t, he’ll be a 10-5 guy and he doesn’t have to go anywhere if he doesn’t want to. 10 years is going to mean 10 years.

  464. Melvin November 14th, 2007 at 11:44 pm

    I will still boo A-Rod

  465. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 14th, 2007 at 11:46 pm

    Doug, that is a brilliant website!

  466. Dee November 14th, 2007 at 11:51 pm

    Please, no Lowell at 1st, no Lowell anywhere near the Bronx period.

    I’m starting to get nervous about Mo. What’s he waiting for??I know he’s trying to play hard to get but even as the biggest Mo fan I would say 3/45 is too high for him. Mo please don’t let this backfire…

  467. randy l. November 14th, 2007 at 11:51 pm

    “i have to wait to see the final contract.”
    i’m in total agreement with that and also agree a lot of incentives would show that boras blinked, but if it’s simply 280 million for ten years i think he he got what he wanted.
    with arod and posada seemingly back on board,things are looking immensely better.
    even if the hank led yankee’s management has to overpay to get back arod,posada, and rivera i’ll be looking at it as a step in the right direction for the organization learning on the fly to be more flexible. the really big problem would have been losing these guys. at least they didn’t do that.
    it’s going to be amusing in the coming days watching the people who jumped off the arod bandwagon jump back on now that it appears he’s a yankee again. it’s not however a done deal until it’s signed. look at how long the jd drew contract took to complete after it was announced . there may be some drama left in this one yet. but like the drew deal, it should get completed when all is said and done.

  468. TheWangWay November 14th, 2007 at 11:56 pm

    the backloading of the contract would be great news; it would give the yankees payroll flexibility, and they have a ton of money coming off the books moving forward.

  469. Global Warming November 14th, 2007 at 11:59 pm

    First things first. A-Rod can go to hell, he’s obviously only coming back to the Yankees because no team would touch his insane contract demands. He’s still a fraud and all about the money.

    That nonsense on his website is clearly PR bs.

    That being said, I’m glad the Yankees are doing this. Keeping the prospects and staying away from Mike Lowell.

    Good times.

  470. Lori November 14th, 2007 at 11:59 pm

    Wow – the parameters of this deal being reported are all over the place. Some are saying it is just about done, some are saying they are negotiating, the numbers are EVERYWHERE. It was almost worth having him opt out just to watch the current entertainment.

    I just wish that Boras was really out. The Yankees site has an article on the ongoing negotiations – it says that Boras was excluded from the Padres-Maddux handshake still.

  471. pat November 15th, 2007 at 12:00 am

    As per Newsday:

    Here’s how the conversation went, according to Long:

    Cashman: “Kev, we made our offer and they shut us down.”

    Long: “I still think Alex would love to be a Yankee.”

    Cashman: “I don’t get it.”

    Long: “Well, I just know how much he wants to be a Yankee and I know how much that you have expressed that you want him back. If that’s the case, then certainly you should both still be talking about it.”

    Cashman didn’t return a message Wednesday.

    When Long heard the news Wednesday, he said he sent Rodriguez a text message saying, “If this is true, you’re going to have an awfully happy hitting coach if this happens. He replied, ‘Well, we’re working on it.’ ”

    In the end, it appears A-Rod and the Yankees realized they need each other perhaps more than they had thought.

  472. Bobcat November 15th, 2007 at 12:01 am

    For what it’s worth, I’ve made several calls and inquiries tonight regarding the Boston TV station’s reporting that four teams (Yankees, Braves, Cardinals, Angels) have all made four year offers to Mike Lowell.

    My sources have the Yankees DISCUSSING four years, conditionally (1B) with Lowell, but no teams have made any offers.

    Near as I can tell, this story is fabricated.

  473. Bobcat November 15th, 2007 at 12:02 am

    pat:

    I’ve heard that that discussion took place, but Long wasn’t the “intermediary”.

  474. randy l. November 15th, 2007 at 12:04 am

    i’m not advocating it, but it would be a dagger in the hearts of boston fans if lowell signed with the yankees. he would have no trouble switching to first. it might take him a week to be above average there.

  475. asburyboss November 15th, 2007 at 12:07 am

    Sparky O…VERY funny

    WangWay…the “Yankees” and “payroll felxibility”- didju really put them in the same sentence? How big of a board do you need to hit you on the head to realize thaose words are foolish in regards to the Yankees

  476. Wolf In Pinstripes November 15th, 2007 at 12:07 am

    pat – I understand what you’re saying, and I don’t disagree. I was just trying to point out there are ways that the length of a contract can be different from the actual service time put in towards it.

    Personally, if ARod were still producing on a pace towards HR records, I would want him too. I’m an ARod fan – if my post reads as if I don’t want him on the Yankees, that certainly wasn’t my intention. Hell, that’s one small reason I didn’t want him to opt out to begin with. I want to see the single-season and all-time HR records back in pinstripes.

  477. PAT M. November 15th, 2007 at 12:07 am

    The deal will be completed in time for his MVP award presentation……So he can address both issues and all will be cool…..Make no mistake, Scott Boras takes a big hit today…Maybe not in dough, but for an egomaniac and control freak his cred got wacked……Anyone who believes otherwise needs to take a good look at his body of work and his method of getting his own way…..The national media is going to take great delight in raking his behind over the coals of humilation…….Love it

  478. asburyboss November 15th, 2007 at 12:08 am

    Bobact…that Lowell story was probably placed by the Levinson bros (lowells agents)…it is the lead in story up here in Boston…In fact, the network I was watching led with a head shot of Lowell in a Yankee hat and pinstripes. For a minute I thought he’d signed…then they just read the same report we all had.

  479. Dunn November 15th, 2007 at 12:11 am

    I hope Lowell signs for 4 years with Boston. They will probably get some team’s first round pick as well as a sandwich pick if Lowell signs elsewhere. I’d rather they keep Lowell. It’s only a matter of time until he reverts to being an ok hitter and nothing more. And it’s likely to happen even before that 4th year. I’d rather they have that then get draft picks that turn into awesome young pitchers or position players.

  480. Global Warming November 15th, 2007 at 12:11 am

    Whats the point of having Lowell at first?

    He’s an aging product of Fenway.

    Stay away!

  481. Dr. Acula November 15th, 2007 at 12:19 am

    Bobcat-

    I know who you are!

    http://tinyurl.com/27xxsk

  482. We Miss Paulie November 15th, 2007 at 12:20 am

    This is funny. I saw a Red Sox logo today on a hat that lists their world series wins: 1903, 1912, 1915, 1916, 1918, 2004, 2007.

    Its hilarious how badly the Red Sox want to be legit by listing their world series wins but there is NOTHING between 1918 and 2004. It’s so evident and so sad how bad it looks.

  483. tim boat November 15th, 2007 at 12:21 am

    aside from conflicting reports about Boras’ involvement in negotiations.

    what happens if A-Rod re up with the Yankees is this:
    the new contract still eclipses his previous deal as the richest contract in sports
    the yankees still end up paying more for him than they would have with The Texas Subsidy
    and A-Rod still gets a raise.

    all the while no one else probably would have touched $200 million for him. how many other players are making north of 20 million? let him hit the streets and see what he can get from the Angels or Dodgers. I’m betting it won’t touch the Yankees contract offer. “Below market value” yeah right!

    The winners here are A-Rod and Boras (laughing all the way to the bank) and the Rangers. The Steinbrenner boys got played for suckers.

    Boras isn’t taking a hit on this. Let’s not forget Andruw Jones did the same thing and circumvented Boras to hammer out a discount deal with the Braves ( a real discount – which this ARod contract would not be) but nobody here remembers that. so how much of a hit is Boras really taking?

  484. YankeesLuv November 15th, 2007 at 12:27 am

    Happy to see Arod come back. It’s a win-win situation for the Yankees and Arod, they both look good well except Boras. I think Arod finally grew up, good for him. I’m happy also because we won’t have to give up prospects trying to replace him.

  485. Tseng November 15th, 2007 at 12:38 am

    Assuming the contract ends up at about 28 a year, you’re still not really paying him 28 a year when he’s 41, 42 and in the last years in his contract. I mean, if the current inflation rate holds steady around 2.76 like it is now, his 9th and 10th year will be worth about 21,914,984.66 present dollars and 21,326,376.66 dollars respectively. That’s not so bad if you look at in that sense =P

    Heck, if the yanks stuck 110 million into a mutual fund with a 10% return for the next 10 years they’d have 285.3 million. I wonder if we could convince Alex to take a contract of 10 million a year for hundred or two hundred years. His children would be “well” provided for.

  486. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 12:40 am

    what’s the number $220 or $275?

  487. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 12:40 am

    Interesting excerpts from Jim Caple:

    And don’t give me that crap about how A-Rod would upset your club’s precious chemistry. I keep reading all these comments praising the great “chemistry” and “teamwork” of the Boston Red Sox. Please. As if the Rockies and Indians somehow had flaws in their character, or were bad teammates simply because they didn’t beat the Sox. So the Rockies won 21 of 22 games, and then got swept in the World Series because their bottle of “chemistry” ran out? Nonsense.

    It’s wonderful if every teammate is like Mike Lowell or Jason Varitek, but it’s hardly necessary as long as a player produces. For crying out loud, Curt Schilling’s ego is so monstrous it’s an official stop on the Boston duck boat tour, while Manny has repeatedly asked to be traded. Talent matters, not personality.

    I understand people worrying that signing A-Rod would preclude their team from obtaining other necessary players. But that’s a needless concern. Signing someone like A-Rod, Derek Jeter or Manny Ramirez to a contract for $20 million to $25 million per year isn’t what hurts a team financially. It’s signing the likes of Jeff Weaver for $8 million and Richie Sexson for $15 million, then trading for Horacio Ramirez and his $2 million salary (not that I have any particular team in mind). Bill Veeck once said, “It isn’t the high price of stars that is expensive; it’s the high price of mediocrity.” In that sense, signing A-Rod might help financially, because you’ll be less likely to waste your money on some stiff who won’t produce (hello, Adrian Beltre).

    Have teams gotten better after A-Rod left? Well, that depends on how you look at it. We all took great delight trumpeting that “fact” when the Mariners sported the best regular-season record in American League history the year after A-Rod signed with Texas. But the Mariners haven’t been to the postseason since that 2001 season, finishing in last place three times.

    And while the Rangers did improve to 89-73 the season after they traded A-Rod, they haven’t had a winning record since and landed right back in last place this year.

    As for A-Rod’s poor postseason play? That’s overblown. Yes, he was awful in 2005 and 2006. But does anyone really think that Rodriguez’s batting .267 with a .353 on-base percentage and one home run this October was more to blame for the Yankees’ loss to the Indians than Chien-Ming Wang and his 19.06 ERA in two losses? Does anyone think A-Rod struggled more than Derek Jeter (.176, no runs, one RBI)? Or that A-Rod’s 2004 postseason (.320, 11 runs, eight RBIs, three home runs) was why the Yankees didn’t reach the World Series that year? For that matter, do Angels fans want Vladimir Guerrero off their team because he has three hits in his past 30 postseason at-bats?

    The point is, unless you surround him with the league’s worst pitching staff (I’m talking to you, Tom Hicks), A-Rod will help get your team in position to play each October.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ortCat=mlb

  488. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 12:43 am

    Funny quote from WasWatching:

    “This just might be the second biggest cave-job in New York this year after the Mets.”

  489. Hello November 15th, 2007 at 12:45 am

    Thanks for posting Sunny615. That was a very refreshing article and a side of the A-rod saga that few people in the media rarely write about.

  490. Bryant November 15th, 2007 at 1:03 am

    New candidate for the intermediary- Rob Thompson.

  491. AJW November 15th, 2007 at 1:21 am

    I wouldn’t put it past Boras and Arod to run with the final contract numbers to the Angels, Dodgers, Red Sox and Mets. I smell a rat here.

  492. A-Point November 15th, 2007 at 1:32 am

    AJW, if that were the case then AROD.COM would not have had the post on it. The Yankees would not have had any leaks.

    A-Rod took a big hit on his image. At this point in his career, when weighing the money (which is still a huge amount) vs. legacy, and future moneys to be made through all kinds of marketing ploys, polishing up the image, I think the money for the moment takes a second seat.

    Boras is on the outs, regardless of how much he gets as his percentage, he lost clout. Just even the talk of this has diminished him.

    A-Rod making a move like you described would finish him as far as his image goes. He wouldn’t recover and it would probably hurt his on field production.

  493. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 1:34 am

    I doubt it – the only way that number is a threat is if it stays on the table. If arod walks away, Hank rescinds that offer faster than a Joba fastball. And arod and boras no longer have a bargaining chip since the offer from the yankees is no longer valid. The angels are now no longer competing with that bid.

  494. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 1:36 am

    and what A Point said too.

  495. A-Point November 15th, 2007 at 1:40 am

    Absolutely agree with your post too, sunny615.

    If this deal falls through it doesn’t help out Boras and Co. If A-Rod put it on his website, and the Yankees let it leak out, this deal is practically done. The only thing left is to hammer out the details.

  496. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 1:56 am

    People accusing the Yanks of “bidding against themselves”…

    They rose two years and about 60 – 65 mil above their rumored opening offer at a time when they were the only team that could bid. Of COURSE they were going to be willing to offer more than that. People expected them to offer around 30 – 32 mil per for ten years, minus the Texas subsidy. They’ve wound up right about at that figure, with ARod eating the Texas money, it seems.

    So…the Yanks got what they initially wanted, and ARod looks like he took a “hometown discount”.

    Did people expect him NOT to get a raise on this deal? He was going to make more than 25 annually. Signing him for the homerun chase, but not the homerun crown would be dumb. So, he was _going_ to get the ten-ish years.

    Now, we can worry about the pitching and use the draft picks to land us some position talent. And/or trade some of this young pitching for elite catching and infield prospects.

  497. Matt Waters November 15th, 2007 at 2:00 am

    “The Yankees site has an article on the ongoing negotiations – it says that Boras was excluded from the Padres-Maddux handshake still.”

    The Pads organization despises Boras. After the ’98 World Series, they presented a contract offer to the avenging agent regarding his client, pending free agent Kevin Brown. Boras looked over the deal, began laughing, and walked out of the room. They never heard from him again.

  498. Joe G is the man November 15th, 2007 at 2:04 am

    I don’t know which way to go with this. I’m happy as a monster slugger is back and all trade speculations for third are gone and there is no offense to replace. If it just wasn’t ARod who was the one coming back. Why can’t it be a nice guy who puts up crazy offense. A nice normal down to earth humble gamer. Nope, it’s ARod. I love his numbers, but hate his attitude and tension and drama. I have a love/hate relationship with AROD.

    But I can see it happening. ARod needs to retire as a Yankee to protect his legacy. He will go a lot further leaving the game in pinstipes than in any other uniform and he knows this and it means a lot to him. Yankees need ARod as he makes them A LOT of money.
    Yankees salary is going to be drastically reduced in 2009 and they can seriously bring up their own talent to replace the high priced roster slots there now. Giambi is gone. Pavano is gone… not that he was ever really here. Mussina is gone and so on. ARod will forever be a Yankee and that is how it is. Yanks can afford it and the Yanks need his production. ARod needs the legacy that comes with being a Yankee.

    This isn’t a ruse orchestrated by Boras and ARod. They aren’t stupid. No team would deal with them seriously if they did this just to up the offers from other teams. It would be seen as unethical and many grievances would be filed and the fallout would be huge and ARod wouldn’t put himself in that position after the fiasco of the opt out.
    ARod is certainly worth the money he is going to get from the Yankees. You can’t say he isn’t worth that amount. He is getting the money he deserves and playing for a team that will solidify his place in history. ARod did the right thing by reaching out to the Yankees and coming in on his own without Boras. Love him or hate him, you can’t deny that ARod did the right thing here. If the opt out wasn’t the fiasco that it was, I don’t know if we would have seen this from him. May have been Boras all the way, as it always has been. He knew what he had to do and did it and that says a lot about ARod.

    Also don’t get fooled and think no other team would have offered him 28-30 million a year for 10 years. Other teams would have and most likely were on the way to that. He just understands that the Yankees are the best for him and his future.

    What we need to worry about is Jeter and how he is going to take this news.

  499. A-Point November 15th, 2007 at 2:05 am

    People are forgetting about the HR record chase also when talking about the number of years.

    Why would you sign him to a contract that would allow him to leave just when he is near those lofty numbers? Would that make sense to give him the chance to be open to the highest bidder when he is in the sunset years? That would be stupid. That is part of what makes the deal for both A-Rod and the Yankees.

    Pitching becomes the next priority for the Yankees. If they can nail down some good relief pitching and get Andy to put off retiring for a year, the chances for the Yankees next season just got a lot better. New manager, different in game plays, different pitchers on the mound and plenty of young arms to showcase, a lot of batting power. How is that not a decent, balanced team?

  500. Bobcat November 15th, 2007 at 2:06 am

    Tyler Kepner with his normal, fine reporting (you won’t find too many factual mistatements in his piece):

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11.....f=baseball

  501. AJW November 15th, 2007 at 2:08 am

    You make a good point (no pun intended) A-Point. I just can’t wait until this is all finalized.

  502. DVB, in Spirit & Mind November 15th, 2007 at 2:09 am

    “What we need to worry about is Jeter and how he is going to take this news”……you’re kidding right ? Jeter is a true Yankee and only cares about winning…the only thing Jeter is worring about is how NOT to hit into so many DPs next year AND the Yankees winning title number 28. Jeter is a winner, period. You keep A-Rod on the team, go get us a Lowell OR another real answer at 1st base, throw in Andy P. and Mo coming back, with a dash of Santana, Kazmir or any other Quality Starting Pitcher and the Yankees are gonna be locked AND loaded. I fully expect that the Yankees will NOT be done dealing when they secure A-Rod, Mo and Andy….Expect even MORE big things…they will come. Good Night, All !

  503. JBRO November 15th, 2007 at 2:15 am

    You must mean championship number 27…

    And dont expect Lowell at first…

  504. Bryant November 15th, 2007 at 2:17 am

    Here’s a tidbit from the NY Times I haven’t seen reported anywhere else. Guess A-Rod did know how to use a phone.

    “Steinbrenner said he spoke with Rodriguez by telephone shortly after Rodriguez opted out. In that conversation, which Rodriguez initiated”

  505. DVB, in Spirit & Mind November 15th, 2007 at 2:21 am

    yes number 27…THEN number 28….I don’t EXPECT Lowell at 1st…but stranger things…. ???

  506. Adrian November 15th, 2007 at 2:22 am

    Jeter is a yankee but will never make A-Rod numbers when cano hits better then you in the regular season and Post-Season on his third year you had a bad year.Jeter will always have the rings but needs his clutch back.

  507. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2007 at 2:46 am

    As asuggestion to shore up the bullpen, a deal of Bruney, Justin Pope, Angel Chavez, DeSalvo and cash to Pittsburgh for Marte and 1st baseman Steven Pearce….Farnsworth and Rasner to Colorado for Brian Fuentes, who they want to unload, and sign Jeremy Affeldt and Joe Kennedy, who are free agents and cost no draft picks. Kennedy could go long relief and spot start to cut down on the workload of the 3 young starters and Mussina, and is additional insurance in case Pettitte does decide to retire.

  508. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 3:37 am

    “Farnsworth and Rasner to Colorado for Brian Fuentes, who they want to unload”

    They want to unload Fuentes and take on Farnsworth? Why do they want to unload Fuentes? He was GOOD after his stint on the DL. He may have been made _expendable_ by the emergence of their new closer, but that doesn’t mean they want to dump him.

  509. kasey November 15th, 2007 at 3:57 am

    affeldt and kennedy aren’t bad options. the pitt and colorado deals are a bit far-fetched, though.

  510. Juke Early November 15th, 2007 at 3:58 am

    IF anybody reads the entire history of baseball, except for the massive change in $, shenanigans between players & ownership have been the norm. It’s just the last 20 years the tide turned overwhelmingly in the players favor.

    Now an agent is another suit in the room, though the player’s advocate & an important one for contract details. That is, until their own motives undercut that of their boss: the player.

  511. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2007 at 4:00 am

    Fuentes wants out and Colorado doesn’t want the hassle. He was on the market at the deadline also. NYY could add some cash to the deal if salaries are a problem, but, Rasner is an NL type pitcher who would do well in that league. Hell, they could add Britton to the deal and get a AA or AAA player back.

  512. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2007 at 4:14 am

    kasey
    November 15th, 2007 at 3:57 am
    affeldt and kennedy aren’t bad options. the pitt and colorado deals are a bit far-fetched, though.

    Marte is on the market and Pittsburgh needs pitching, cheap, young pitching. Chavez is an infielder with a little pop and good speed and glove…plays short, 2nd and 3rd base well. He’s 25 years old. They’ve got no place for Pearce with LaRoche at 1st base. As far as Fuentes goes, they want to move him. He’s in his last year, coming off of a couple of DL stints, but, should be healthy. They also had some interest in Farnsworth earlier this year to set up for Fuentes before Manny Corpas came up. Besides, Hawkins will be too expensive to resign.

  513. dylan November 15th, 2007 at 5:12 am

    open letter to a-rod:
    take your fragile psyche and your inflated ego and your vile wife with her t-shirt collection and your vile agent and GO SOMEWHERE ELSE

    open letter to the stein brothers:
    you are MORONS
    THE MAN IS MAKING FOOLS OUT OF YOU!
    this whole thing has been manufactured
    YOU ARE NEGOTIATING AGAINST YOURSELVES
    boras has manipulated you
    your father never would have allowed himself to be manipulated in such a fashion

  514. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2007 at 5:30 am

    dylan
    November 15th, 2007 at 5:12 am
    open letter to a-rod:
    take your fragile psyche and your inflated ego and your vile wife with her t-shirt collection and your vile agent and GO SOMEWHERE ELSE

    open letter to the stein brothers:
    you are MORONS
    THE MAN IS MAKING FOOLS OUT OF YOU!
    this whole thing has been manufactured
    YOU ARE NEGOTIATING AGAINST YOURSELVES
    boras has manipulated you
    your father never would have allowed himself to be manipulated in such a fashion

    Is “Vile” the new word for the day? George Steinbrenner did exactly the same thing. Look at the list of players he brought back after trading or releasing them….gave them jobs in the front offices and on staff when nobody would touch them. Look at the number of managers he fired and brought back to manahe again, later. Billy Martin, 5 times and would have been 6 if he hadn’t run his truck in a ditch and died. Get over your whining, laddie.

  515. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2007 at 5:33 am

    That manahe is supposed to be manage.
    George Steinbrenner bid against himself with Catfish Hunter, Reggie Jackson, Dave Collins, Ken Griffey and Dave Winfield, and that doesn’t include his own players.

  516. Toxic November 15th, 2007 at 6:43 am

    A-Rod only did this to piss about with Pete’s vacation

  517. Dr. Acula November 15th, 2007 at 7:07 am

    EXTRA EXTRA!!

    See Today’s Front Covers

    “Richard Burton” & “Liz Taylor” reunite – AGAIN

    http://tinyurl.com/2mf3d2

    Paypah Mistah??

  518. Jim PA November 15th, 2007 at 7:09 am

    Hey, Pete…Wake up and write somethin’-
    There’s over 500 posts on this one already.

  519. bardos November 15th, 2007 at 7:16 am

    one, no way a 10 year contract, even to sign God, is a god one. alex will be 42, without a Bondsian over-sized head. Perhaps in 10 years $28million a year will be chump change?

    two, the lack of a no trade clause could yet save the yankees as they pay another team a texas-subsidy late in the contract.

    three no way the yankees are signing lowell. it’s just to make boston sign a bad 4 year contract.

  520. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2007 at 7:31 am

    one, no way a 10 year contract, even to sign God, is a god one. alex will be 42, without a Bondsian over-sized head. Perhaps in 10 years $28million a year will be chump change?

    two, the lack of a no trade clause could yet save the yankees as they pay another team a texas-subsidy late in the contract.

    three no way the yankees are signing lowell. it’s just to make boston sign a bad 4 year contract.

    After this coming season, Rodriguez will be a 5-10 player and, won’t need a no-trade clause.

  521. E-ROC November 15th, 2007 at 7:40 am

    10 YRS??? What about 8 yrs?

  522. ThatWasMe November 15th, 2007 at 7:41 am

    Great job Dr.. Why you are the man!!

  523. The D train November 15th, 2007 at 8:08 am

    The best case scenario with Johan Santana is to stay on the cautious side.
    If the Yankees can come out of the gate reasonably strong and unhurt (opposed to last year) and hold their own, they can wait until the July 31st trading deadline. This allows time to see the development of Alan Horne, Daniel McCutchen, Jeffrey Marquez, and David Robertson among others before deciding on what young pitching they can actually part with in a Santana deal. This also hinges on being able to sign Santana long term rather than just a rental just to get through the 2008 season.

  524. Tommy November 15th, 2007 at 8:11 am

    Hank continues to be the media’s dream date.
    Today via Kepner in the NYT:

    …..I’m going to go as far as I want to go……. It’s no different than bidding on a racehorse at auction.

    Classic!

    Murphydog, you out there.
    In his column, Lupica compares Boras to Karl Rove and Alex’s popularity to Ron Paul’s.
    Perspective issues perhaps?

  525. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2007 at 8:18 am

    The D train
    November 15th, 2007 at 8:08 am
    The best case scenario with Johan Santana is to stay on the cautious side.
    If the Yankees can come out of the gate reasonably strong and unhurt (opposed to last year) and hold their own, they can wait until the July 31st trading deadline. This allows time to see the development of Alan Horne, Daniel McCutchen, Jeffrey Marquez, and David Robertson among others before deciding on what young pitching they can actually part with in a Santana deal. This also hinges on being able to sign Santana long term rather than just a rental just to get through the 2008 season.

    The NYY may be able to pry Kasmir loose with a stable of pitchers, but the Twins want young position players. They’ve got pitchers, but, no position players.

  526. Bryant November 15th, 2007 at 8:22 am

    Tommy

    I chuckled when I read that. My first thought was for 275 million he could have at least included the word thoroughbred.

  527. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 8:25 am

    “Marte is on the market and Pittsburgh needs pitching, cheap, young pitching. Chavez is an infielder with a little pop and good speed and glove…plays short, 2nd and 3rd base well. He’s 25 years old. They’ve got no place for Pearce with LaRoche at 1st base.”

    Actually, they have a couple of young starters that are already good, and several other young arms that are promising but haven’t come into their own. They’ve been looking for a veteran stopper-type for a couple years, but no one will sign there. They may need pen help, but who doesn’t? Also, they need more offense.

    You’re trying to give them a young Miguel Cairo, a pitcher worse than the ones they already have (desalvo), a reliever who’s 26 and never succeeded above AA, and a guy who has trouble throwing strikes. And you’re expecting a solid reliever and a good hitting young 1B in return. Just because someone is on the market does NOT mean the team’s going to dump him for garbage. Just because a prospect is blocked doesn’t mean they’ll dump him for garbage.

    “As far as Fuentes goes, they want to move him. He’s in his last year, coming off of a couple of DL stints, but, should be healthy. They also had some interest in Farnsworth earlier this year to set up for Fuentes before Manny Corpas came up. Besides, Hawkins will be too expensive to resign.”

    Farnsworth is in his last year too. And worse than FUentes. And more expensive.

  528. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge November 15th, 2007 at 8:27 am

    I find it interesting that this has been going on for a week and the yankees kept it under wraps. :)

  529. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge November 15th, 2007 at 8:29 am

    “I think he won the fans over during the season last year,” Steinbrenner added. “I just think he was apologetic for things that happened earlier, when he wasn’t necessarily calling the shots. He wants to stay a Yankee.”

    Interesting statement. The cynical part of me wonder if he is just saying this to calm the fans down.

  530. Lori November 15th, 2007 at 8:39 am

    Of course it is Jennifer – he knows there was outrage all around when ARod opted out – as we’ve discussed ad nauseum here that was a bad situations handled badly by ARod and Boras. And Steinbrenner made some pretty definitive statements. He has to play a litte “CYA” here too.

  531. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge November 15th, 2007 at 8:42 am

    Samsung 4 seasons of hope. They need a new charity since Joe is gone. I think they should donate the money to Jorge’s charity.

  532. Jim Clark November 15th, 2007 at 8:42 am

    Who cares what Mike Loopyca thinks when he takes time from playing golf with Jeff Wilpon to write a column that makes me yearn for an ordinary idiot like Dick Young.

  533. Bill November 15th, 2007 at 8:43 am

    If AROD re-signs, does he get a press conference again. I forget how they do re-signings.

  534. TurnTwo November 15th, 2007 at 8:50 am

    with ARod back in the fold, i like what NoMaas had to say about making moves going forward.

    Cano+ for Santana, and then spinning Chien Ming Wang to LA for Broxton and Loney, and let MO walk if he continues to demand above what he’s being offered.

    More fantasy than reality, but makes sense.

  535. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge November 15th, 2007 at 8:54 am

    Bill I’m not sure. I believe they at least do a conference call.

  536. El Comaduce November 15th, 2007 at 8:59 am

    i have read all these posts i have to agree that jorges wife is OFF THE CHARTS HOT…

    not sure about the other stuff

  537. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2007 at 9:13 am

    whozat
    November 15th, 2007 at 8:25 am
    “Marte is on the market and Pittsburgh needs pitching, cheap, young pitching. Chavez is an infielder with a little pop and good speed and glove…plays short, 2nd and 3rd base well. He’s 25 years old. They’ve got no place for Pearce with LaRoche at 1st base.”

    Actually, they have a couple of young starters that are already good, and several other young arms that are promising but haven’t come into their own. They’ve been looking for a veteran stopper-type for a couple years, but no one will sign there. They may need pen help, but who doesn’t? Also, they need more offense.

    You’re trying to give them a young Miguel Cairo, a pitcher worse than the ones they already have (desalvo), a reliever who’s 26 and never succeeded above AA, and a guy who has trouble throwing strikes. And you’re expecting a solid reliever and a good hitting young 1B in return. Just because someone is on the market does NOT mean the team’s going to dump him for garbage. Just because a prospect is blocked doesn’t mean they’ll dump him for garbage.

    “As far as Fuentes goes, they want to move him. He’s in his last year, coming off of a couple of DL stints, but, should be healthy. They also had some interest in Farnsworth earlier this year to set up for Fuentes before Manny Corpas came up. Besides, Hawkins will be too expensive to resign.”

    Farnsworth is in his last year too. And worse than FUentes. And more expensive.

    ___________________________________________________________

    Fuentes isn’t going be cheaper very long. He’s going into arbitration looking at 7-7.5 million and is a free agent after next year. The Rockies were asking for a #3 starter, inparticular, Garland and a top minor league closer type. They were ignored. Detroit is interested, but, may not have a match. I’d even swap Rasner for Karstens to do the deal.

  538. Doreen November 15th, 2007 at 9:22 am

    I can’t believe I actually read all these posts!

    Anyway, my two cents, relatively short and sweet. I believe the Yankees got what they wanted, regardless what the final dollar amount on the contract is. They wanted to keep the Texas money, because they wanted to keep their payroll structure intact. Apparently, this new contract with ARod is backloaded so that they can preserve that salary structure. Also, they did not want ARod to negotiate with other teams. Well, it looks like ARod will sign this contract before “playing the field,” and if he doesn’t, the offer will be rescinded and it will be not be able to be used as leverage with another team. This deal is done mostly on the Yankees’ terms. Also, the Yankees do not have to scramble and give up players to inadequately fill the 3B/cleanup hole.

    Of course, ARod gets what he wants, too, else there would be no deal at all. He gets his money, and if he is to be believed, he also gets to stay with the team that he has developed a true affinity for.

  539. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 9:22 am

    Hey Jen -

    Just a quick note – I think you’re forgetting to end the blockquote with a “/blockquote” between greater than and less than signs.

    see the chart

  540. filthy slider November 15th, 2007 at 9:25 am

    how is gay rod leaving money on the table, he had no offers.
    the yanks are over paying this choker. he should be offered 130 mil for 5 years with a 29mil club option on year #6.
    take it or leave it!

  541. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 9:26 am

    From ESPN:

    “Joe Torre figures Mariano Rivera will end up staying with the Yankees. If not, the Los Angeles Dodgers’ new manager has an open spot waiting in his bullpen.

    “Anybody who doesn’t want him is crazy. Let’s put it that way,” Torre said Wednesday evening.

    “I haven’t talked to him about it, but I’d be surprised if he didn’t,” Torre said. “He’s state-of-the-art for me. I don’t know what he’s thinking at this point in time.”

    Rivera, who turns 38 on Nov. 29, said this week the Yankees are his “first option.” But if he can’t reach a deal with New York, he’d consider following Torre to the Dodgers.

    “He’s using me as a shill, that’s fine,” Torre said with a smile.

    Don Mattingly (hitting coach) and Larry Bowa (third base coach) are following Torre from New York to Los Angeles. But Ron Guidry, expected to be replaced as Yankees pitching coach, isn’t coming along.

    “I talked to Gator and I told him that I really wanted to stay closer to the Dodger organization since they had a lot of young pitchers. I thought it was the best thing to do,” Torre said. “He’s just going to stay home.””

    here’s Torre’s ESPN article: MO welcome on the Dodgers

  542. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge November 15th, 2007 at 9:27 am

    Thanks Sunny I was putting the / in the wrong place!

  543. El Comaduce November 15th, 2007 at 9:27 am

    I mentioned an article yesterday… It talked about the padres and how they built there bullpen… They look for starters who have lost favor and transition them into bullpen… They also love deceptive windups… They thought out of the box and it payed off.

  544. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 9:27 am

    From ESPN:

    Joe Torre figures Mariano Rivera will end up staying with the Yankees. If not, the Los Angeles Dodgers’ new manager has an open spot waiting in his bullpen.

    “Anybody who doesn’t want him is crazy. Let’s put it that way,” Torre said Wednesday evening.

    “I haven’t talked to him about it, but I’d be surprised if he didn’t,” Torre said. “He’s state-of-the-art for me. I don’t know what he’s thinking at this point in time.”

    Rivera, who turns 38 on Nov. 29, said this week the Yankees are his “first option.” But if he can’t reach a deal with New York, he’d consider following Torre to the Dodgers.

    “He’s using me as a shill, that’s fine,” Torre said with a smile.

    Don Mattingly (hitting coach) and Larry Bowa (third base coach) are following Torre from New York to Los Angeles. But Ron Guidry, expected to be replaced as Yankees pitching coach, isn’t coming along.

    “I talked to Gator and I told him that I really wanted to stay closer to the Dodger organization since they had a lot of young pitchers. I thought it was the best thing to do,” Torre said. “He’s just going to stay home.”

    here’s Torre’s ESPN article: MO welcome on the Dodgers

  545. ~Adam. November 15th, 2007 at 9:28 am

    $275 MILLION / 10 years…

    Seems like the Yankees intend to pay him $1 MILLION / Home Run.

  546. pat November 15th, 2007 at 9:28 am

    “Samsung 4 seasons of hope. They need a new charity since Joe is gone.”

    They are keeping it with Safe At Home.

  547. DVB, in Spirit & Mind November 15th, 2007 at 9:31 am

    Mo and A-Rod both signing today.

  548. randy l. November 15th, 2007 at 9:31 am

    “He’s a free citizen and he can do what he wants. I, at no time, told Boras he can’t be there. The bottom line is, I’m going to go as far as I want to go, regardless of who’s in the room. It’s no different than bidding on a racehorse at an auction. ”
    hanks’ on a slippery slope here. it’s not cool to be comparing people to racehorses. it does show how hank thinks though. even though he wasn’t trying to be offensive, he just can’t help himself.
    he’s so close to wrapping up a deal everyone wants. all he has to do is put a buffer between the time he thinks something and the time he says something. this blog isn’t the only place a delete button would come in handy.

  549. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 9:34 am

    from the Boston Globe:

    The Marlins are fielding offers for third baseman Miguel Cabrera. Sources indicate they’ve had discussions with the Red Sox, but Boston might be saving up its arsenal of young players for a run at Twins lefthander Johan Santana or Oakland righthander Dan Haren

  550. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 9:36 am

    Hank needs Howard Rubenstien.

  551. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 9:38 am

    Interesting article:

    on Steins and Arod

  552. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2007 at 9:39 am

    Hank neds a zipper in his face.

  553. mel November 15th, 2007 at 9:40 am

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....id=3110717

    This is an audio clip of Feinsand w/ Stephen A. Smith. It’s the whole thing in a nutshell. Smith managed to stay very calm. He’s not an A-rod ran.

  554. mel November 15th, 2007 at 9:42 am

    Here’s a nice article on Rubenstein. Sounds like a classy guy. He must cringe whenever Hank opens his mouth.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10.....domir.html

  555. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 9:43 am

    Here’s the most interesting excerpt from that article:

    People who should know say that while Rodriguez had given Boras the go-ahead to opt out, he had no idea the agent would leak the news in a way that would upstage the World Series.

    “He was blind-sided by the timing,” was the way one person put it. “He was (ticked) and he got more (ticked) as time went on and he saw the hit his reputation was taking. The demand for his (merchandising products) dried up almost immediately.

    “He was so angry at Boras that at one point he told friends he was thinking of suing him. Then there was a series of steps that led him to take control of the situation. The Lowell talks (with the Yankees) pushed him over the edge. He didn’t want any part of going to Boston. So he made his move without Boras.

    “I think their relationship will survive – there’s too much history there. But I don’t think it will ever be the same.”

    For once, then, it seems Boras pays for being a bully. Apparently he didn’t count on Hank Steinbrenner showing up out of nowhere as a tough guy who couldn’t be bluffed in the manner of his old man.

  556. Bryn White November 15th, 2007 at 9:43 am

    I think the Sox get it. They are going after picthing.

  557. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 9:44 am

    I think it’s fair to say you can replace “ticked” with “pissed the hell off”

  558. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 9:44 am

    “Fuentes isn’t going be cheaper very long. He’s going into arbitration looking at 7-7.5 million and is a free agent after next year. The Rockies were asking for a #3 starter, in particular, Garland and a top minor league closer type. They were ignored. Detroit is interested, but, may not have a match. I’d even swap Rasner for Karstens to do the deal.”

    So, you’re giving them a _maybe_ 4/5 starter and a worse reliever that costs around the same? QUANTITY IS NOT QUALITY. Fuentes is good. Farnsworth throws hard. Rasner and Karstens are fringe back-of-the-rotation guys. They’d rather have ONE high-upside minor league closing prospect than that package. And I suspect they’ll get it. Like…Sanchez straight up for Fuentes or something like that.

  559. hmmm November 15th, 2007 at 9:48 am

    “your father never would have allowed himself to be manipulated in such a fashion”

    yeah, you’re right.

    he let Giambi’s agent strike the steroid language from his contract.

    i’d call that being taken for a ride.

  560. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 9:49 am

    wonder what’s taking rivera so long to decide…?

  561. Bryn White November 15th, 2007 at 9:51 am

    Any word which way Lowell is leaning

  562. hmmm November 15th, 2007 at 9:52 am

    “how is gay rod leaving money on the table, he had no offers.
    the yanks are over paying this choker. he should be offered 130 mil for 5 years with a 29mil club option on year #6.
    take it or leave it!”

    you have no idea what offers he would have had, it’s only november.

    joe torre just said that the dodgers would have made a move for him.

    also, grow up. you sound like an idiot.

  563. mel November 15th, 2007 at 9:53 am

    sunny,

    Don’t you remember? Mo said something about being worried about the makeup of the team. He wanted to know who the manager, catcher, closer, and starter were going to be. Wait…Oh, wrong guy.

  564. Bob Merc-The Shift November 15th, 2007 at 9:54 am

    There is also chatter about still pursuing Mike Lowell and playing him at 1st base. Hmmm…Lowell, Cano, Jeter, A-Rod…Nice infield…but it doesn’t solve our pitching woes. I’ve been a Yankee fan since my childhood in the early 60′s…I hope we aren’t in what I’ve always called a “Yankees down cycle”…if you do the research it happens ever so often and typically runs quite a few years. Our World Series titles then come in groups or bunches. One thing is for sure. I have a press pass up here in Scranton, Pa. for the AAA club and I and my wheelchair are going to wear out some rubber this coming Spring. We have to fortify our staff…or all the talent in the world won’t bring that trophy back to the Bronx. I would hope Mo and Pettitte rejoin the team…let Clemens do his consulting work for the Astros…I wasn’t thrilled when he signed this year and said as much on my radio show in May. We all saw how that turned out. If we do snag Lowell and he plays 1st…it appears Giambi, (The biggest free-agency bust ever), will be our DH. The D-Train would be a nice add to the staff…especially since Girardi already managed him. Another lefty NEVER hurts any pitching situation. I’m glad A-Rod showed some sack…but I still can’t help but feeling Boras set it up this way…in other words, made himself look like the bad guy so A-Rod could look like the hero. Either way, Boras makes his commission on the deal. GO YANKS!!!

  565. Sara November 15th, 2007 at 9:54 am

    HERE’S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. DID ANYONE STEP BACK AND REALIZE THAT WE HAVE THE SAME EXACT TEAM AS LAST YEAR BUT RIGHT NOW MINUS PETTITE, MO AND CLEMENS. UMMMM….WHERE DID IT GET US LAST YEAR? WILD CARD? FIRST ROUND PLAYOFF ELIMINATION? HAS CASHMAN EVER HEARD OF UPGRADING???

  566. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 9:54 am

    It looks like Erik Bedard is Andy MacPhail’s top priority right now. He’s already gauged the trade interest for his ace, and is now exploring the idea of a contract extension.

    Jeff Zrebiec says the Mets, Yankees, Angels, and Dodgers expressed interest in the southpaw starter. The Dodgers are pushing the hardest for him. Two years of Bedard is expected to cost a team three MLB-ready players.

    rats.

  567. Annie Savoy November 15th, 2007 at 9:54 am

    A sad day for the Yankees – no real fan of the game wants ARod on the team.

    Let him go to the Dodgers where he can be a ‘celebrity’ and act like one. The National Enquirer will love following him around to all his ‘activities’ both on and off the field.

  568. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 9:56 am

    mel – :-D

  569. Yankee Fan in Boston November 15th, 2007 at 9:57 am

    Um, Sara, it’s November 15 – given that no free agents have signed yet and very few trades of consequence have been consummated, don’t you think you are jumping the gun a bit? Besides, we upgrade if Carl Pavano is not starting opening day ;)

  570. migames November 15th, 2007 at 9:58 am

    “HERE’S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. DID ANYONE STEP BACK AND REALIZE THAT WE HAVE THE SAME EXACT TEAM AS LAST YEAR BUT RIGHT NOW MINUS PETTITE, MO AND CLEMENS. UMMMM….WHERE DID IT GET US LAST YEAR? WILD CARD? FIRST ROUND PLAYOFF ELIMINATION? HAS CASHMAN EVER HEARD OF UPGRADING???”

    Thing are different than last year, Im willing to bet the house that Carl Pavano is not the opening day starter. Its nov. alot of time to get bullpen help and swing that trade for cabrera.

    The yankees had the top two free agents on the market (arod and posada) and they managed to secure both, while also grabbing Mariano.

  571. migames November 15th, 2007 at 9:58 am

    yankee fan in boston-great minds think alike

  572. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 9:59 am

    Annie Savoy
    November 15th, 2007 at 9:54 am
    A sad day for the Yankees – no real fan of the game wants ARod on the team.

    Speak for yourself. I didn’t know you were the authority on who is a real “fan of the game.” If you are, then there are bigger problems in baseball then arod’s signing with the Yankees.

  573. migames November 15th, 2007 at 9:59 am

    check that, not cabrera, but santana…its time to say goodbye to robinson cano

  574. mel November 15th, 2007 at 10:00 am

    If the reports are true, Alex is taking a paycut at $27.5M. Anyone who doesn’t see that average salary over the next 10 years as a bargain does not know the economics of baseball. Ichiro is creeping into the 20′s for goodness sake.

    Kay mentioned that George Steinbrenner never used incentive clauses for players, so this contract is new territory for these Yankees. I’m not opposed to it, if money motivates Alex then it might be a good thing. We’ve seen what Alex can do when he’s on a mission.

  575. hmmm November 15th, 2007 at 10:00 am

    “UMMMM….WHERE DID IT GET US LAST YEAR? WILD CARD? FIRST ROUND PLAYOFF ELIMINATION? HAS CASHMAN EVER HEARD OF UPGRADING???”

    HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF PHIL HUGHES, IAN KENNEDY, AND JOBA CHAMBERLAIN IN THE STARTING ROTATION?

    ALSO, IT’S ONLY NOVEMBER, WHY DO YOU THINK CASHMAN IS DONE DEALING?

    ALSO, WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?

  576. Bobcat November 15th, 2007 at 10:00 am

    sunny:

    Mo has been on a religious retreat this week.

  577. Sara November 15th, 2007 at 10:00 am

    Yanks need another right handed bat in the line up. i say go for Torii Hunter. But here’s the thing…how many more high salary players can the Yankees afford now that they are getting A-Rod back. and by the way, the bull pen stinks! right now the only guy in there is Farnsworth!

  578. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 10:02 am

    Bobcat – but didn’t he get back two days ago?

  579. hmmm November 15th, 2007 at 10:02 am

    “A sad day for the Yankees – no real fan of the game wants ARod on the team. ”

    really? b/c reading these comments on this blog, i’d estimate it around 70% of the posters are glad he is back.

    i guess we’re not real fans.

    only Annie Savoy determines who is a real fan or not.

    but whatever, keep crying to bring back the corpse of Bernie Williams.

  580. raymagnetic November 15th, 2007 at 10:03 am

    Giambi, (The biggest free-agency bust ever)

    Really? I guess you’ve never heard of Carl Pavano. Giambi however in 4 of the 6 years he’s been with the Yankees has been a top 10 offensive player.

  581. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 10:03 am

    Sara – No on the Torii Hunter. The same reason that everyone is saying no to Lowell should be the same reason for Hunter. No more 4-5 year contracts for 32+ yr old declining players please.

  582. Bobcat November 15th, 2007 at 10:03 am

    sunny:

    Not to the point where he was ready to address his contract.

    Imminent.

  583. Miller November 15th, 2007 at 10:04 am

    November 15th, 2007 at 9:58 am
    “HERE’S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. DID ANYONE STEP BACK AND REALIZE THAT WE HAVE THE SAME EXACT TEAM AS LAST YEAR BUT RIGHT NOW MINUS PETTITE, MO AND CLEMENS. UMMMM….WHERE DID IT GET US LAST YEAR? WILD CARD? FIRST ROUND PLAYOFF ELIMINATION? HAS CASHMAN EVER HEARD OF UPGRADING???”

    No we have a much younger pitching staff who have proven they have big league stuff, our line up is once again beef and a new coach who is going to light a fire under their asses. All we need to do now is beef up the bull pen.

    And trust me you dont UPGRADE from A-rod, anyone else would be considered a downgrade. C’mon.

  584. pat November 15th, 2007 at 10:04 am

    Sara
    Don’t be so glass half empty. They rebuilt the base and can enhance it from there. Heard someone say this morning. Look at it this way, it’s only November and the Yankees have signed Posada and are working on signing Mariano and A-Rod. If the Yanks do that, they will have signed the top 3 free agents that were available this year.

  585. mel November 15th, 2007 at 10:04 am

    I hope God texted him this message:

    “Sign on the damn line Rivera!”

  586. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 10:05 am

    bobcat – excellent.

  587. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 10:06 am

    mel – I think God would say darn… HA :-)

  588. BSKLLL November 15th, 2007 at 10:08 am

    hopefully andy comes back. you’ll have wang, pettitte, joba, hughes and kennedy with mussina as the spot starter….not too shabby eh?

  589. TurnTwo November 15th, 2007 at 10:10 am

    migames, agreed.

    with ARod back in the fold, i agree with NoMaas’s assessment. Move Cano plus for Santana, and spin Wang to LA for a package like Loney and Broxton. If MO resigns, its gravy, but if not you’ve got Broxton to take over closer duties, keeping Joba in the rotation.

  590. pat November 15th, 2007 at 10:13 am

    Moose could be a little crankier this year. His best friend, bullpen catcher Mike Borzello, is going to LA with Torre.

  591. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 10:13 am

    “but santana…its time to say goodbye to robinson cano”

    That’s a horrible idea. Cano is a perennial all-star candidate and he’s what, 24? He’s cheap right now and he’s the best young position player in the organization. NO ONE else is giving up a player like him to get Santana, so the Yanks shouldn’t either. They too are keeping their stable of prospects to run at a guy like Santana or Haren.

  592. Miller November 15th, 2007 at 10:13 am

    Carl Crawford could be moving to the Cubs in a 4 player Deal

    Also im hearing rumors about a three team trade involving the Rays, Brewers and the Yanks, no details on players involved yet.

  593. Bobcat November 15th, 2007 at 10:13 am

    Once all the housekeeping gets done (sign Posada, Rivera, Rodriguez, Molina, Vizcaino), the priority shifts back (actually always was) to pitching. Pettitte is next, followed by pursuing the results of the tire-kicking at the GMs’ meetings.

    There won’t be any more bats added.

    Assuming Pettitte returns, left-handed middle relief will be addressed. There won’t be a lot spent or given up for this spot (think Mahay, Affeldt). The right-handed side will be filled by the kids, and there are a ton of them.

    There are no starters in the free agent pool, so there will be some pushing done to pry away a top SP, without giving the farm away. The focus will, naturally, be on growing the hitters internally to turn into trade material for top-level starting pitching.

  594. Miller November 15th, 2007 at 10:15 am

    once again, all speculation…

  595. Bobcat November 15th, 2007 at 10:16 am

    Miller:

    I think what you’re talking about involved players to address the hitting situation. The pitching that would be involved hasn’t been finalized, from what I understand. That’s about all I can say.

    The parameters may change, but there’s no reason to think that will get legs until the other stuff is taken care of.

  596. mel November 15th, 2007 at 10:16 am

    Reading some of the doom and gloom has got me thinking. With a sleeping manager, a record for number of rookie starters, injuries to Pavano, Wang, Clemens, and Hughes, poor starts by our #1 & #3 hitters, Farnsworth as our setup guy, and a huge hole at 1B we still managed to pump out nearly 1000 runs and ended up with the second best record in baseball.

    This year, as of 11/15 we have a new manager, Joba in the starting rotation, and no Pavano. We’ve got our catcher back and are close to getting a decent 3B and closer.

    Nothing to be down about at all. Unless you consider not having Santana, Miggy Cabrera, AND Bedard on the team right now a failure…if you do, then good luck with that.

  597. B November 15th, 2007 at 10:20 am

    Anyone have any ideas for how to fill the hole at 1B?

  598. Bryn White November 15th, 2007 at 10:21 am

    The players in the Rays deal are Crawford to Cubs, Sheet to Yanks dont know who Rays would get

  599. Bobcat November 15th, 2007 at 10:22 am

    B:

    There is no hole at 1B. There is no future HOFer, but that is the spot that allows the roster to have some flexibility. There won’t be any additions to 1B.

  600. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2007 at 10:22 am

    whozat
    November 15th, 2007 at 9:44 am
    “Fuentes isn’t going be cheaper very long. He’s going into arbitration looking at 7-7.5 million and is a free agent after next year. The Rockies were asking for a #3 starter, in particular, Garland and a top minor league closer type. They were ignored. Detroit is interested, but, may not have a match. I’d even swap Rasner for Karstens to do the deal.”

    So, you’re giving them a _maybe_ 4/5 starter and a worse reliever that costs around the same? QUANTITY IS NOT QUALITY. Fuentes is good. Farnsworth throws hard. Rasner and Karstens are fringe back-of-the-rotation guys. They’d rather have ONE high-upside minor league closing prospect than that package. And I suspect they’ll get it. Like…Sanchez straight up for Fuentes or something like that.

    ______________________________________________________

    Fuentes had two stays on the DL last year, and he’d lost the closer’s job before that. Nobody’s going to give up a #3 starter for a relief pitcher. Colorado was asking about Farnsworth last year. Colorado gets a 4/5 starter, a setup guy who’s cheaper than what they’ll unload and 1 mil in cash. Their budget is stetched to within 4-5 mil of it’s limit according to Denver papers. The advantage for NYY is Fuentes is a lefty. Colorado also needs to sign a catcher (Barrett)and they want to resign Matt Herges to a 2 year contract at around 2 mil a year.

  601. Miller November 15th, 2007 at 10:22 am

    Bryn:

    WHo woould the Yanks send?

  602. Bryn White November 15th, 2007 at 10:24 am

    Melky and Kennedy

  603. mel November 15th, 2007 at 10:24 am

    B,

    The plan is too stuff Phillips, Giambi, Duncan, and Betemit into that big hole. They want to fit Lowell in, but he reportedly doesn’t want to play 1B.

    Sunny,

    I think your god and my god are two different guys. I’ve sent mine a case of Jack Daniels and asked him to keep Giambi healthy.

  604. Terry November 15th, 2007 at 10:24 am

    I don’t buy this “Boras lost” BS for one second.

    It’s theatre. The “who runs back to whom” meme doesn’t mean anything either because nobody (including the media) knows what was said behind closed doors or through private channels. It has to be emphasized that the players involved in this deal understand the importance of theatre too; they’re not stupid.

    Bottom line: Arod got the best deal he could get; Boras gets his cut. If all they really lost was the “love” of the media, I think they came out WAY ahead. Who in their right mind could look objectively at this TEN-YEAR $275 MILLION DEAL and say that Boras LOST ???!!!

    If anything, it looks like the Yankees begged for (and got) a meaningless face-saving measure and then ponied up the dough.

  605. Bobcat November 15th, 2007 at 10:25 am

    Miller:

    All I can tell you is nothing’s been “authorized” in terms of information on that one. The natural concern is injury history. Not a great addition.

  606. ItalianGreco November 15th, 2007 at 10:26 am

    Sheets will not be good in NY. He is always hurt and we all know about NL pitchers trying to make in in the AL.

  607. mel November 15th, 2007 at 10:27 am

    ItalianGreco,

    Even Beckett struggled his first year. I’d rather have Crawford than Sheets. Yuck.

  608. boomer November 15th, 2007 at 10:28 am

    agree, say no to Sheets.

  609. migames November 15th, 2007 at 10:29 am

    “That’s a horrible idea. Cano is a perennial all-star candidate and he’s what, 24? He’s cheap right now and he’s the best young position player in the organization. ”

    Who do you want to give up for Santana? Shelley Duncan? you have to give the quality in order to get the quality

  610. Bryn White November 15th, 2007 at 10:30 am

    I think that deal is dead.

  611. Truth for Freedom November 15th, 2007 at 10:30 am

    Annie Savoy
    November 15th, 2007 at 9:54 am
    A sad day for the Yankees – no real fan of the game wants ARod on the team.

    Let him go to the Dodgers where he can be a ‘celebrity’ and act like one. The National Enquirer will love following him around to all his ‘activities’ both on and off the field.

    In plain words – BULL. Who the heck are you to say that no real fan of the game wouldn’t want one of the best baseball players on their team?

    Most of the “drama” with A-Rod is the media. He has shown himself to work extra hard every day, he has shown himself to be a mentor to younger players like Cano and Melky. He has shown himself to be anything but the “cancer” in the clubhouse by words from the team mates themselves.

    Get over your hatred. The smear job on A-Rod was hyped up because of the opt out stuff. With a long term contract in place, with no opt outs, things will settle quite a bit.

  612. ItalianGreco November 15th, 2007 at 10:30 am

    Yeah, I don’t want Sheets at all. He would be the #3 starter at best, and for Melky and Kennedy, that is a horrible deal!!

  613. Miller November 15th, 2007 at 10:30 am

    Bobcat:

    I agree with you 100%. By the way, why is your name Bobcat, didnt go to OU did you?

  614. mel November 15th, 2007 at 10:31 am

    If we have to ante up Cano, then I would take my chances by waiting to see if we can get Santana in free agency.

  615. Bryn White November 15th, 2007 at 10:34 am

    The Yanks are not done yet. There are a lot of rumor rolling around.I think you can bet, the Yanks will sign Rowland or Hunter for CF. All the rumors I have heard, Melky is in all.

  616. Miller November 15th, 2007 at 10:37 am

    November 15th, 2007 at 10:34 am
    The Yanks are not done yet. There are a lot of rumor rolling around.I think you can bet, the Yanks will sign Rowland or Hunter for CF. All the rumors I have heard, Melky is in all.

    WHY???? Are we only trying to get younger in pitching????

  617. Bobcat November 15th, 2007 at 10:39 am

    Again, remember that the “rumors” you hear have been provided to serve a purpose.

    More often than not, any deal the Yankees do comes as a “surprise” (think Clemens, Damon, A-Rod x 2). There is a reason for that. The Yankees use the media for strategic purposes and DO NOT authoize any information to be “leaked” that they don’t want others to read.

    Whatever you are reading is for others’ eyes. The real news comes out when it’s supposed to and not before.

    Leaked information = services terminated. Simple corporate policy.

  618. ItalianGreco November 15th, 2007 at 10:39 am

    Bryn,

    yeah, there are tons of rumors floating around, but Melky and Kennedy for Sheets is a bad move. Sheets was good last year, but got hurt like always.

  619. TurnTwo November 15th, 2007 at 10:40 am

    I would like Sheets in this rotation. His stuff is #1-2 caliber, when he puts it all together and is healthy. he’s had some freak injuries in the past, and as far as i remember, nothing serious structurally.

    Kennedy is a nice pitcher, but most project him to be at best a #3-4 guy. I’d take the chance.

    and i dont see the Yankees in on the Rowand/Hunter market. I think they’d give the job to Gardner to win out of Spirng training, and if he doesnt take the reigns, Damon is more than adequate to track down balls in CF until Garnder or AJax gets some more ABs in Scranton.

  620. LAS November 15th, 2007 at 10:40 am

    I just visited NoMaas.org, a Yankee site that points out that it was NY Time writer Tyler Kepner who–via an off-the-record source–suggested 10 days ago that Alex could come back if he offered a discount. The post at the top of the blog includes an “emergency” interview with Kepner that took place after the news officially broke.

  621. Brandon (I TOLD YOU ALEX WOULD BE BACK WOOOOHOOO !!!) November 15th, 2007 at 10:41 am

    Bryn White
    November 15th, 2007 at 10:34 am
    The Yanks are not done yet. There are a lot of rumor rolling around.I think you can bet, the Yanks will sign Rowland or Hunter for CF. All the rumors I have heard, Melky is in all.

    not a chance, not w/ Action Jackson and Brett Gardnerwaiting in the wings, Hunter is going to the highest bidder, wants a longterm deal, Rowand’s bat is better than Lowell but not worth what he’s asking for

  622. hmmm November 15th, 2007 at 10:42 am

    “Sheets will not be good in NY. He is always hurt and we all know about NL pitchers trying to make in in the AL.”

    no, what do we know about it?

    this is another soundbite that keeps getting repeated, but what do we know?

    every pitcher is different. some have succeeded and some have failed. there is no blanket statement to be made.

    if the price is right, the yankees would be crazy not to want Ben Sheets.

    his injuries have all been kindof flukey, like he had vertigo, a sprained finger, hamstring, etc.

    in other words, these are not elbow injuries.

    Sheets would be a great pickup.

    i have previously said that the Brewers wouldn’t trade him cheaply, but if they are getting Crawford, they obviously aren’t.

    i would prefer Crawford, but i would guess that the D-Rays would NOT trade Crawford within the division.

  623. A-Fraud November 15th, 2007 at 10:44 am

    Yankee is too good for A-Rod

  624. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge November 15th, 2007 at 10:44 am

    Annie Savoy Thank with your head not your heart. Alex is the best third baseman out there. Did you want them to trade all our prospects for a over weight 3rd baseman who will turn to a first baseman dh. Or did you want Mike Lowell?

    Borzy left. Oh no!! What is Mike going to do?! I can’t believe Borzelo did that to Mike. :P

  625. Buddy Biancalana November 15th, 2007 at 10:44 am

    That would be a 4 team deal, who do the Brewers & Rays get?

  626. hmmm November 15th, 2007 at 10:47 am

    i would rather trade Kennedy and Melky for Sheets than Hughes or Cano for Santana.

  627. Bobcat November 15th, 2007 at 10:47 am

    Brewers/Cubs/etc. is a concoction. If you’re into unfounded rumors, here is a site that will keep you busy for hours. Most of their information is link-based, but the trade rumors are just that (Crawford post is about 4-5 down the page):

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

  628. Buddy Biancalana November 15th, 2007 at 10:50 am

    Bobcat-

    Thanks, I do check out that site regularly.

  629. TurnTwo November 15th, 2007 at 10:51 am

    hmmm, agreed.

  630. Terry November 15th, 2007 at 10:51 am

    Truth for Freedom,

    Right on most counts. But what we have to remember is that this “face-saving” theatre/jiujitsu wasn’t just so that the media and the management could save face.

    Alot of fans also fall into the category of rooting against Arod and the Yankees know that.

    Having Arod and Boras “crawl back” to the Yankees allows these anti-Boras/Arod types to psychological assuage their own egos and accept Arod (and by extension Boras). The Yankees organization knows this, which is a BIG part of the reason they wanted Boras to debase himself in public. That gives these anti-Arods a villain OTHER than Arod himself and provides some rationalization for them to accept Arod next season. It’s a credit to Boras’ professionalism (and self-sacrifice) that he was willing to oblige in favor of his client’s best interests.

    Again, this face-saving theatre is about more than just a sub-section of dumb-as-sh!t (or self-deluding) media and fans. It’s part of doing business in Sports; Boras is good at it.

  631. ItalianGreco November 15th, 2007 at 10:53 am

    hmmm,

    Yeah, I may be talking out of my ass, on the NL to AL transition, but I do know this, Sheets is injury prone. I just don’t want another Carl Pavano. If Sheets can stay healthy, then yes, he is a great addition to the staff, but for Melky and Kennedy, it may be a little too much for an injury prone pitcher.

  632. Bobcat November 15th, 2007 at 10:54 am

    burn:

    And you care, because….?

    You need to get out more… LOL.. don’t we all.

  633. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 10:57 am

    “There is no future HOFer, but that is the spot that allows the roster to have some flexibility. There won’t be any additions to 1B.”

    There should be. A righty that can provide league average production would be good. Duncan didn’t make it to the show until age 28 for a reason. If he runs into one, it’ll go a long way…but it’s pretty easy to keep him from running into one.

    .270/.350/.450 is all I’m asking for, really. A big issue with the lineup this season was the left-handedness. Against lefties, if ARod didn’t get it done, basically no one did. I don’t want all the eggs in one basket again.

  634. Mike R. November 15th, 2007 at 11:03 am

    I wonder where all the Hank Steinbrenner haters are today. They want to bury him when he says something they think is “Stupid” aqnd when everything falls into place in no small part to his backing of Cash and his public statements there is silence.

  635. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 11:04 am

    “Nobody’s going to give up a #3 starter for a relief pitcher. Colorado was asking about Farnsworth last year. Colorado gets a 4/5 starter, a setup guy who’s cheaper than what they’ll unload and 1 mil in cash. Their budget is stetched to within 4-5 mil of it’s limit according to Denver papers. The advantage for NYY is Fuentes is a lefty. Colorado also needs to sign a catcher (Barrett)and they want to resign Matt Herges to a 2 year contract at around 2 mil a year.”

    I didn’t say anyone was giving up a number three starter. But, someone could very well give up a hotshot AAA arm for a lefty that’s had a lot of success closing in the bigs. I’m sure the Rockies would rather have that than another expensive bullpen arm – particularly one prone to giving up lots of homers. They were looking at Farnsworth last year because they wanted to plug a hole for right then. That doesn’t mean he’s a good fit for them now. Also, Karstens is a scary-fly-ball pitcher, so they wouldn’t want him. Rasner…maybe, but he’s a throw-in.

    Look, everyone wants bullpen help. Ask yourself, is there a team that has a hot arm in AAA the Rockies might want that will take on all of Fuentes’ money. The answer is YES. With Okajima and Delcarmen, the Sox could easily afford to part with Hansen, and take on all the money. That’s a better deal for the Rox than Kyle and Rasner right there.

  636. Brandon (I TOLD YOU ALEX WOULD BE BACK WOOOOHOOO !!!) November 15th, 2007 at 11:06 am

    Mike R. right now if Hank gets back Mo, which I believe will happen he pretty much put the foot in the a$$ of all his critics

  637. Bobcat November 15th, 2007 at 11:07 am

    For all of you/us who would be nervous about Sheets, here’s a hypothetical, and assume you could have either SP (stats are previous season):

    RHP SP 1 –
    Age – 28
    IP – 140+
    ERA – 3.82
    WHIP – 1.24
    BA vs. – .253
    Wins – 12
    Cost – $11.0M
    Injury history – Yes (3 years)

    RHP SP 2 –
    Age – 28
    IP – 200+
    ERA – 3.00
    WHIP – 1.17
    BA vs. – .253
    Wins – 18
    Cost – $10.0M
    Injury history – No (3 years)

    The obvious:

    1) RHP SP 2 is a better investment at the moment a decision must be made.
    2) RHP SP 1 is Ben Sheets.
    3) RHP SP 2 is Carl Pavano.
    4) You never know with veteran pitching.
    5) Cashman has said (ad nauseum), “no more long-term contracts to veteran FA SP”.

  638. Truth for Freedom November 15th, 2007 at 11:11 am

    Terry, the one trouble with that spin is that Boras takes a huge hit on his ability. There are reports that A-Rod was being told by Boras that this would be fine, the Yankees would break, but it wasn’t happening.

    Even if that is all media spinning, there are always some facts in those stories.

    Boras comes off as overly controlling, manipulative, and more importantly he comes off as mis-reading the whole market. Those are things that players will be leary of when it comes time to sign with an agent.

    Yes, Boras gets his percentage of the A-Rod deal, but it comes with a big price tag on his future signings and even with some of his current clients. A-Rod is his gold standard, if there were perceived problems with his best client, where does that leave them?

    I fully expect that there will be a ton of spin on all this. There already has been. The Yankees helps engineer the hit A-Rod took by the things they said and did, but they were also willing to go another way. That gave the Yankees strength. Boras also threw Mo under the bus, which probably didn’t get the blessings of A-Rod before hand. Blaming someone else for their failures isn’t what A-Rod does normally.

  639. B November 15th, 2007 at 11:11 am

    “The plan is too stuff Phillips, Giambi, Duncan, and Betemit into that big hole. They want to fit Lowell in, but he reportedly doesn’t want to play 1B.”

    So you think the plan is to once again not fill 1B and try to get by with below average production at the easiest position in baseball? I don’t see any reason for Andy Phillips to even be on the roster next season.

  640. Buddy Biancalana November 15th, 2007 at 11:12 am

    It looks like there is no opt clause whatsoever, probably a full no trade clause, & the contract is heavily backloaded with incentives, Miller may be correct with milestone HR incentives as well. The first 3 years are at a lower salary to compensate the Yankees for opting out of the original Texas deal.

  641. DSQ November 15th, 2007 at 11:12 am

    You’ve got to admit, the biggest winners in this are definitely the Yankees, and not just because they got A-Rod back. This has been a lesson in negotiating from a position of power by the Yankees. They made a fair offer, and when it was denied they walked away, confident in what they had to offer, i.e. the greatest sports franchise of all time. A few blustery comments in the papers and a critical mistake by Boras (announcing during the WS), and the man they really wanted all along tucked tail and came back on his knees. Now, they give him a similar offer that they were willing to give anyway, looked great in the papers, and successfully ostracized a pox on the sport in the person of Boras in the process. Absolutely fantastic. In every sense, they played this one correctly: (1) they estimated the market for A-Rod correctly; Boras did not; (2) they stuck to their guns; A-Rod did not; (3) they get A-Rod for the amount they were willing to pay him; A-Rod and Boras fail to reach the $30 mm mark. The step backwards for the sport that Texas took when they signed A-Rod to that ridiculous contract, the Yankees have at least in small measure taken a step forward by ostracizing Boras from the process.

  642. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 15th, 2007 at 11:13 am

    Bobcat: By that logic, Sheets isn’t Pavano lite, but Pavano is Sheets lite!

    talk about unpredictable!

  643. B November 15th, 2007 at 11:15 am

    Bobcat,

    Next time try and post stats that actually reflect a pitcher’s performance (K/9, HR/9, BB/9, etc.). Pavano’s one decent season wasn’t any different from his bad seasons except for his BABIP changing. He was never in Sheets league.

    I’m also against trying to get Sheets though, the injury risk is just too great to give up much for him.

  644. hmmm November 15th, 2007 at 11:16 am

    come on Bobcat, you are better than that.

    why not put up career numbers prior to each signing?

    you are stacking the deck by picking Pavano’s best season.

    go back and look at Sheet’s 2004 season and tell me you don’t think the potential upside there is worth exploring?

    is kennedy too much? maybe. not sure. but adding Sheets to a staff with Wang, Hughes, Joba, and maybe Pettitte? every yankee fan should want that to happen.

  645. YankeesLuv November 15th, 2007 at 11:17 am

    Annie Savoy
    November 15th, 2007 at 9:54 am
    A sad day for the Yankees – no real fan of the game wants ARod on the team.

    Let him go to the Dodgers where he can be a ‘celebrity’ and act like one. The National Enquirer will love following him around to all his ‘activities’ both on and off the field.

    ummm please don’t speak for all of us, or tell us what a real fan is. I’m happy Arod’s back and I am a real fan.

  646. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 11:17 am

    “Who do you want to give up for Santana? Shelley Duncan? you have to give the quality in order to get the quality”

    Yes, I know. In fact, if you read ANYTHING else I write on the blog here, you’ll know that I am extremely aware of that. That said, trading a great young cheap position player when you have NO ONE else ready to step up this year is a bad idea. Especially when you only have two guys under the age of 32 playing the field in the first place.

    Look at the market for Santana. Sure, everyone WANTS him, but who can afford to extend him? The same teams who could have afforded ARod, really. Angels, Giants, Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees, maybe the Chicago teams. He has a full no-trade, so he’s probably not going to the Giants because they’re awful. One of the Angels and Dodgers is probably going to get Cabrera, which takes them out of the running because they won’t have the players to get a deal done, and they’ll sink money into signing him long-term. Now, look at what the remaining teams have that they’d be willing to give up. Are the Sox willing to give up Bucholz AND Ellsbury? Bucholz and Pedroia? I don’t think so. Besides…the Twins don’t really want a player like Pedroia whose got no power and doesn’t project to develop any. Bucholz and Crisp? Kennedy, Horne and Melky is better than that (cheaper, more upside). Bucholz, Lester and Crisp? Maybe. I dunno if the Sox go that far, though.

    Now, repeat the exercise with the other teams in question. Are the Twins going to trade in division? Not Santana, probably. So that takes the Chisox out of the running. Who do the Cubs have to trade? Pie? They need him.

    The Dodgers and Angels are the only teams that would beat the Yanks in terms of players, I think. And, since they’ve perennially been looking for a bat, I’d think they’d be trying to get one of those using their prospects.

  647. El Comaduce November 15th, 2007 at 11:19 am

    The beauty of having a thumper like arod is that you dont have to go crazy at 1st base… Phillips hit close to 300 in limited time last year… Maybe he is on the verge of putting it together… Get that onbase up, you have a youkillus without the bad goatee…

    plus you never know if you can get lucky with a healthy giambino or shelly Duncan…

    i rather put the mental focus on the bullpen… Think back to last year before the all star break… Not very fun… I hope yankee fans dont expect another joba to come around next year -

  648. ItalianGreco November 15th, 2007 at 11:20 am

    hmmm,

    Sheets would be a great addition, but not for Melky and Kennedy.

  649. hmmm November 15th, 2007 at 11:20 am

    “So you think the plan is to once again not fill 1B and try to get by with below average production at the easiest position in baseball? I don’t see any reason for Andy Phillips to even be on the roster next season.”

    agreed 100% on Phillips, but why are you so sure that a Duncan/Betemit platoon with Giambi sprinkled in would be below average production?

    i don’t think it would be below average at all.

  650. Mike R. November 15th, 2007 at 11:23 am

    I think with Sheets, as with any pitcher we consider trading for, it comes down to what we have to give up. Sheets for Brett Gardner and Steven White? Absolutley. Sheets for Hughes and anyone? No way.

    The same applies to anyone. We all want Santana or Danny Haren, but are we willing to give Cano, Cabrera and Hughes for one of them? I think most of us can agree that it would be a resounding no.

  651. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 11:23 am

    “every yankee fan should want that to happen.”

    Given that the guy can’t stay on the field, I’m not sure _why_ we should all want that to happen…

    I’d give them Horne and Melky, provided that there’s a defensive OF whiz we can find that crushes lefties. Damon can play CF sometimes, with Matsui in LF, but I’d like another guy out there that can chase down more balls, throw well, and start against lefties to balance the lineup.

  652. Bobcat November 15th, 2007 at 11:24 am

    You’re right…LOL… that was a tongue-in-cheek example of how crazy it is to buy starting pitching. I’ve never been for it, and am delighted the Yankees are getting away from it.

  653. stuart November 15th, 2007 at 11:26 am

    drunken sailors let’s waste some money today. I am sure you would love this signing; how about vizciano for 3 yrs at 5 mill a yr. sounds like a Yankee move. he is old, pretty innefective, by the end of his ontract he will be a total wast(giambi, posada, mariano, etc.) hey sounds like a shrewd move, similiar to the moves the closet GM’s like in this site. seems like move that will keep the yankee roster old, underachieving and the payroll bloated with little room for in season moves.

    wow, this is fun blowing money on emotional moves while the sux ditch older guys when they want extended deals;; man the sux miss pedro and damon don’t they!!!

    cowherd was dissing the yanks on the radio this morning big time..

    hey maybe after lunch we can over pay for a 1B or maybe trade multiple prospects for a veteran on the downside of his career, man this is fun!!!!!!

  654. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 11:29 am

    “The beauty of having a thumper like arod is that you dont have to go crazy at 1st base”

    That was the thought this year. Look how that worked for the first part of the season. The offense went to SLEEP. Pettite had an ERA in the 2s for april and may, and was like, a .500 pitcher because he got no run support. And the pen stunk too, but the offense being asleep contributed.

    Duncan was fun, but he’s NOT even a platoon player. He’s a pinch hitter. Betemit has lefty power, but that’s all he’s shown so far. Giambi is productive, but really can’t play the field much. They need a solid righty bat at 1B, and Phillips is NOT THAT PLAYER. He hits well as long as pitchers feed him fastballs, which they do until he shows he can hit them. Then, they change it up and he DOES NOT ADJUST. This happened in 06. He hit well for a month, month and a half, the league adjusted, and then boom, dropped off the face of the earth.

    Duncan is a decent power threat off the bench, so that’s fine. He can spell Abreu in RF a bit if there’s a CFer with range out there and/or we have a groundballer on the mound. Keep him. But find a righty to provide league average offense at 1B, PLEASE! What about this prospect on the pirates that blocked by LaRoche? Anyone ever heard anything about him?

  655. The Anti-Stu November 15th, 2007 at 11:30 am

    Uh Oh! Stu off the meds again.

  656. Deep to Left November 15th, 2007 at 11:33 am

    While so many are annointing A-Rod to sainthood for “manning up”, and going around Boras to get this done, I can’t say I buy it. Seems to me he only came to the Yankees after realizing no one was going to give him the $30+ mill a year he was looking for. He threw a bluff out there and the bluff was called. Now, suddenly, he wants to be a Yankee. He can’t bear to leave.

    Don’t forget all the unreturned phone calls from the team he can’t bear to leave… Joe Torre, Hank, Hal, Cashman, Cano, Damon… Did Boras steal A’Rods cell phone?

    Hey, I’m thrilled to have his right-handed power back, and even more thrilled that the Yankees will once again play host to the all-time home run record… eventually… but I’m not exactly ready to put him back on my Christmas Card list. On a personal level, Mr. “No One Likes Me Because I’m Rich and Good Looking” still leaves a lot to be desired.

  657. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 11:33 am

    “cowherd was dissing the yanks on the radio this morning big time..”

    I’m sure that was fun for you. Did he lay out a plan for what they should do? What catcher they should have gotten? Or did he just say “Those idiots, you need to get younger and build from within!” and laugh?

    Cash has to put a team on the field. They don’t HAVE a catcher in AA or AAA that’s good. No one’s trading those kinds of catchers. Posada’s money won’t hamstring them financially. As long as they don’t sign anyone else who’ll need to DH in 2010, it’s fine.

    As for Mo…same deal. Did you see him in the postseason? Mo is still Mo when you don’t sit him for five days and then expect him to be sharp. You think he won’t be at LEAST a good 7th/8th inning guy in two years?

  658. stuart November 15th, 2007 at 11:34 am

    yeah I am off the meds let’s see what overpriced, soft, downside of career, names you retards can mhave the Yanks overpay to have on the team today..

    the team chemistry and hunger I am sure will be as strong as it has been the last few years with those gamers like arod, giambi, and the rest of the gang…

    hey maybe we can trade desalvo, henn, and chase wright for greg maddux. he is a little young for the yanks only 40 or 41 but he makes alot and pitches 5 innings maybe maddux and moose can pitch in middle relief!!!!!!!!!

  659. B November 15th, 2007 at 11:34 am

    “The beauty of having a thumper like arod is that you dont have to go crazy at 1st base”

    This logic is flawed. By having a 1B that can’t hit like a 1B, you give away the advantage having above average hitters (for their position) at 3B, 2B, and SS.

  660. Raul November 15th, 2007 at 11:36 am

    If Arod is been honest ans somehow apologetic…Ill want him back in pinstripes.
    Lowell will fit nicely at first but i dont think the red sucks will let that happen.
    Go Yankees

  661. stuart November 15th, 2007 at 11:36 am

    whozat my complain is not mo and jorge it is afraud there is no reason to give him $275 mill. I would not give him a penny more then is old contract $252 mill if he does not like it find a new team…

    Vizciano sucks, they can replace him with a guy making league minimum………..

  662. B November 15th, 2007 at 11:37 am

    “agreed 100% on Phillips, but why are you so sure that a Duncan/Betemit platoon with Giambi sprinkled in would be below average production?”

    I think Duncan is going to be exposed this year. He’s a Jack Cust type hitter that’s not as good as Jack Cust. Not a good sign, in my opinion.

  663. B November 15th, 2007 at 11:39 am

    “whozat my complain is not mo and jorge it is afraud there is no reason to give him $275 mill. I would not give him a penny more then is old contract $252 mill if he does not like it find a new team…”

    So you’d be happy if the rumored A-Rod deal was for $2.3 million less per year? You really might be crazy.

  664. hmmm November 15th, 2007 at 11:39 am

    “hey maybe we can trade desalvo, henn, and chase wright for greg maddux. he is a little young for the yanks only 40 or 41 but he makes alot and pitches 5 innings maybe maddux and moose can pitch in middle relief!!!!!!!!!”

    actually, that would probably be a pretty good trade.

    those 3 guys have no trade value.

    keep posting though. every time you post it becomes more obvious how little you know about baseball.

  665. Thrillington November 15th, 2007 at 11:41 am

    Hi All,

    It’s great to be back on board here, haven’t posted in a while.

    I have to say, the A-Rod news put me in such a good mood these past two days. They’re a better team with him. And, as countless posters have said, it’s a no-brainer, since the Yanks don’t have to trade premium talent to essentially trade down at the position.

    So does everyone agree it’s unlikely that Cashman pursues Lowell for first base?

    Regarding Sheets, I hope the Yanks pass on this rumored trade. I would rather see them hold on to everyone from Melky on down and either play them or trade for someone like Santana. Sheets is second tier, injury prone and plays in the NL.

    I just recall trades like the Irabu one, or the Mike Stanley trade in late ’97. With the prospects moved in those deals, Watson, Cashman & Co. may have been able to net Pedro Martinez. Would be good to be patient here, I think.

  666. hmmm November 15th, 2007 at 11:47 am

    “I think Duncan is going to be exposed this year. He’s a Jack Cust type hitter that’s not as good as Jack Cust. Not a good sign, in my opinion.”

    he’d also only be the short half of the platoon and batting solely against lefthanders, i don’t think he’ll be too exposed.

    i’m with you in that i think Yankee fans, especially on this site, WAY overrate Duncan.

    but league average for 1B last year was only .267/.347/.443.

    the yankees hit .284/.350/.419

    in other words, they were just a hair below average last season giving a bunch of ABs to Andy Phillips and Miguel Cairo at 1B.

    i am confident a Betemit/Duncan platoon would outproduce last year’s 1B combo.

  667. El Comaduce November 15th, 2007 at 11:51 am

    “names you retards can mhave ”

    Stay classy Stuart!

    the guy who cant spell trying to make intelligence jokes…

    —-

    as far as first base – there is not much available – our pen needs more help then our offense…

  668. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 11:52 am

    “whozat my complain is not mo and jorge it is afraud there is no reason to give him $275 mill. I would not give him a penny more then is old contract $252 mill if he does not like it find a new team…”

    Wait, WHAT?!?!?! You’re angry that they’re paying aging players on the downside of their careers, and it’s ALEX you’re worried about? Over 23 mil spread across TEN YEARS!?!?!?!?

    Alex, whatever his personal faults, keeps himself in PHENOMENAL shape. He’s never had any serious or chronic joint issues. He’s never been linked to drugs that might cause those issues. He’ll probably never need to become a full-time DH because of that. He’ll remain a feared hitter for most of that contract. Because his team is better, he’ll never get the OBP of Bonds – teams won’t be pitching around him.

  669. yanks61 November 15th, 2007 at 11:53 am

    Annie Savoy,

    “Let him go to the Dodgers where he can be a ‘celebrity’ and act like one. The National Enquirer will love following him around to all his ‘activities’ both on and off the field.”

    Well, I almost feel this is a little unfair, as everybody else has already been (rightly) piling on your comments. However, it should be obvious that if the National Inquirer was around when the Babe played, there would have been plenty of notable headlines then as well (not to mention how Mick would have been ‘exposed’ if there had been no code of silence in regard to players ‘extra curricular activities’ in the 50′s/60′s.) But do we, as ‘real Yankee fans’ think today any less of the Babe or the Mick? None of these guys, A-Rod included, has killed anybody, beaten any wives (that we know of!) or otherwise used violence of any kind on any innoncent people. Their private lives should really be a matter between themselves and their spouses and not fodder for ‘yellow journalism.’ Alas, that is the world we live in, but that doesn’t make it right.

  670. pat November 15th, 2007 at 11:55 am

    “Don’t forget all the unreturned phone calls from the team

    Pete made a big deal of this but he might have been wrong. Torre has said he traded messages with A-Rod but they had not spoken live, Hank said in the paper today that A-Rod had called him and they spoke right after the opt out, the paper today is also implying Damon spoke with A-Rod and may be the one who got an intermediary involved.

  671. mel November 15th, 2007 at 11:56 am

    Unfortunately, we have some very big, bad contracts that hampers our flexibility. 1B is the bus stop for the Yankees. It’s where we park Jason, it’s where we put Andy in for some modicum of defense, it’s where you put a bench player like Wilson or Shelley to keep their eyes from glazing over. Guess what? It’s where Jorge will be parked in a couple of years anyway.

    Of course we’d like to have a Teixeira or Morneau there. But we don’t, so right now it’s a bus stop. It’s not by design, it’s because we don’t have any choice.

  672. raymagnetic November 15th, 2007 at 11:56 am

    This logic is flawed. By having a 1B that can’t hit like a 1B, you give away the advantage having above average hitters (for their position) at 3B, 2B, and SS.

    And yet somehow they still managed to score 968 runs last year. Oh the horror!

  673. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 12:02 pm

    “i am confident a Betemit/Duncan platoon would outproduce last year’s 1B combo.”

    So…what’ve you done with Giambi, Damon and Matsui? You’re sitting one of them every day in favor of Duncan or Betemit?

    “as far as first base – there is not much available – our pen needs more help then our offense…”

    How in the world does working on one preclude working on the other? Yes, there are no FA 1Bs, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t trades to be made.

  674. Dexter November 15th, 2007 at 12:07 pm

    Anyone who thinks Boras lost needs a new brain. The yankees played right into his game and he won. Arod gets the 10 years and the 275 million everybody thought no one was going to pony up. so its 15 million less that what Boras`s starting pitch was, but with incentives such as bonuses for MVP awards and all star nominations it probably still adds up to that amount. bottomline its still about A-rod, it will always be about A-rod. who said there was no I in team. now if only the rest of the team can step up to the plate and play their hearts out for the team they have always loved they should finally deliver a world series ring to A-rod because we all know he doesnt exactly belt out those homeruns during post season.

  675. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 12:12 pm

    “And yet somehow they still managed to score 968 runs last year. Oh the horror!”

    Averages don’t imply consistency. The Yanks started DESTROYING mediocre pitching after the break. It’s better to have a balanced attack that scores a little bit less in total, but does it more consistently. A righty bat with 20 HR power at 1B would do that. And, if he can get on base around .350, even better.

  676. YANKS11 November 15th, 2007 at 12:14 pm

    Forget about Wilson Betemit.. The guy is not good at all.. Andy Phillips is far better than him… I also think that Phillips would do a fine job at first base this season..

  677. El Comaduce November 15th, 2007 at 12:14 pm

    “How in the world does working on one preclude working on the other”

    Your only going to be able to get something of value via trade, i rather trade for bullpen help or a starter stud…

    How many runs do we have to score… I would stand pat at 1b. Phillips can hit, he can be a situational hitter. He plays good defense.

  678. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 12:15 pm

    “Arod gets the 10 years and the 275 million everybody thought no one was going to pony up. ”

    Actually, the only people who thought that were ignorant fans. ARod was DEFINITELY going to get a raise over the 25 mil a year. And signing him for the HR chase but not the payoff at the end would have been dumb, so he was going to get the years.

  679. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 12:20 pm

    “Your only going to be able to get something of value via trade, i rather trade for bullpen help or a starter stud…”

    The players involved in a trade for a starting stud are NOT the same players involved in getting a league average 1B for a year or two. You could move Farnsworth, maybe eat some money, and get a league average 1B. As for bullpen help, the Yanks actually have a bunch of hard throwers that can either help them, or be moved in trade. Veras, Bruney, Ohlendorf, Kozlowski. Britton has had little save success (ERAs in the mid 3′s in MLB, dominance in the minors). Sanchez will be coming back from surgery this season. Cox as well. They also have some 2nd tier starting prospects (Clippard, White, etc) that could be used to get relivers that will probably not be involved in a trade for a guy like Santana.

  680. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 12:22 pm

    “Phillips can hit, he can be a situational hitter. He plays good defense.”

    He could be, but isn’t. And his range and throwing are good compared to Giambi. Not really anything special outside of that.

  681. mel November 15th, 2007 at 12:24 pm

    Here’s to Giambi having a great contract year!

  682. Terry November 15th, 2007 at 12:24 pm

    Truth for Freedom,

    Name one “hit” that really matters.

    The only barometer to measure whether Boras’ clients will be leary of him is to guage the number of clients that will walk away from him. At last count, the number is ZERO. So the idea that Boras has lost his negotiating bonafides is not grounded in Fact.

    Fundamentally, this is about the monetary piece of the revenue pie split between management/employers and players/employees; Boras is at the forefront of that divide. The players are not “leary” of people like Boras. They are leary of MANAGEMENT trying to limit their share of the pie. Boras is trying to stake their claim. So the meme that Arod is concerned about Boras is missing ALOT of context.

    This is business.

    As for the “reports”, if anyone tried to make arguments in my profession (defense and engineering) based on “reports” in the media, they’d be laughed out of a job.

    I agree that “there are always some facts in those stories.” And those facts are “$275 million” and “10-years”. The rest of the “reports” that you’re referring to is junk, fluff, and noise.

    It’s not that we know what happened in the A-Rod deal.

    It’s that we know better than to rely on media reports beyond the hard numbers (which anyone can get without having to go to a media outlet).

  683. El Comaduce November 15th, 2007 at 12:28 pm

    Giambi / Mastsui kinda clog up the lineup in that anyone we plug into first base will get limited playing time because Giambi/Duncan will probably get get some time there.

  684. Deep to Left November 15th, 2007 at 12:30 pm

    At $275 mill, it means A-Rod and Giambi will make $48.5 mill next year. Rockies went to the World Series this year with a total payroll of $52 mill.

    No point really… just sayin’

  685. El Comaduce November 15th, 2007 at 12:31 pm

    Could you imagine if we get anything from Giambi this year? I like Giambi because he seems like a good guy, but having him healthy and contributing would be scary. We almost scored 100 runs without a thumper in the DH or 1b slot… That is pretty interesting.

  686. El Comaduce November 15th, 2007 at 12:33 pm

    That is alot of money – but Colorado never has to ask the question “I WONDER IF THIS GUY CAN REALLY HANDLE PLAYING IN COLORADO”

    no one ever mentions that aspect of the yankee and mets payroll – and it is huge… Look at all the players that come to NY and just die…

    we have made bad signings – but you never know if someone can handle NY…

  687. hmmm November 15th, 2007 at 12:38 pm

    “Forget about Wilson Betemit.. The guy is not good at all.. Andy Phillips is far better than him”

    based on what, exactly?

  688. hmmm November 15th, 2007 at 12:41 pm

    “So…what’ve you done with Giambi, Damon and Matsui? You’re sitting one of them every day in favor of Duncan or Betemit?”

    Giambi plays a little 1B. Matsui plays some LF. Damon plays some LF and CF. Melky sits down once or twice a week.

    let’s not pretend that it’s a given that Melky should be playing everyday.

    or maybe one of Damon or Matsui are traded?

    you have a point, but i was simply saying that the Yankees might get above average production from 1B next year.

  689. YANKS11 November 15th, 2007 at 12:52 pm

    hmmmmmmmm

    based on my opinion…. Betemit can NOT hit from the right side of the plate at all.. Phillips was having a very good year last year before his injury

  690. sunny615 November 15th, 2007 at 12:57 pm

    Hey Pete – how about popping on over and starting a new post. This one is getting pretty big.

  691. Ducky Bent November 15th, 2007 at 1:08 pm

    Why we should all love A-Rod. He wanted NO part of Boston.

    “He was so angry at Boras that at one point he told friends he was thinking of suing him. Then there was a series of steps that led him to take control of the situation. The Lowell talks (with the Yankees) pushed him over the edge. He didn’t want any part of going to Boston. So he made his move without Boras”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo....._bo-1.html

    Great article. Take a look.

  692. Ducky Bent November 15th, 2007 at 1:10 pm

    Would anybody support more of a forum format here, so we can categorize by thread? I’d willingly donate to the site if Pete does it.

  693. hmmm November 15th, 2007 at 1:25 pm

    “Betemit can NOT hit from the right side of the plate at all.”

    neither can Andy Phillips.

    career vs. lefties:
    Phillips: .217/.255/.289
    Betemit: .232/.281/.353

    career vs. righties:
    Phillips: .269/.313/.428
    Betemit: .268/.347/.464

    so i’m not sure what Phillips brings to the table exactly.

    i’d be shocked if Phillips was on the roster next year.

  694. Wolf In Pinstripes November 15th, 2007 at 1:57 pm

    Guys, you’re obviously more than welcome to hang at my joint while Pete’s on vacation if you want to be able to start new threads without everything running together. It’s a forum format and there’s a chat function there too, which I saw somebody ask about here the other day. Just sayin’ …

    http://www.clubbronx.com

  695. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 3:11 pm

    “let’s not pretend that it’s a given that Melky should be playing everyday.”

    Well, he hit much better while doing so than he did in part-time duty.

    You’re talking about the same arrangement we thought we had going into this season. Try to work out the ABs. They can’t all be playing 5-6 days a week. Damon, well you want him leading off most of the time, so he should play most days. Melky is the best defensive OFer the team has, and produces MUCH better with full-time play (see: june through august vs april & may). Matsui and Giambi are the 2nd and 3rd best power threats the team has. And Giambi’s an OBP machine.

    Show me your rotation. I tried to figure this out last offseason, and it’s hard when you know Melky won’t produce playing 3 days a week and Giambi can’t play the field more than once a week.

  696. whozat November 15th, 2007 at 3:15 pm

    “Phillips was having a very good year last year before his injury”

    Nope. He was hitting a very soft .292. Lots of singles, and it’s not like they all drove in runs or anything. That’s just not what you’re looking for in a 1B.

  697. Torre, Torre, Torre November 15th, 2007 at 3:39 pm

    Bobcat-

    5) Cashman has said (ad nauseum), “no more long-term contracts to veteran FA SP”.

    how does that fit with our desires to snag Santana in July?

  698. Torre, Torre, Torre November 15th, 2007 at 4:04 pm

    LAS-

    it was NY Time writer Tyler Kepner who–via an off-the-record source–suggested 10 days ago that Alex could come back if he offered a discount.

    This is interesting. The Times knew a deal was in the works, yet it was the Daily News who broke the scoop.

    I understand the why, the Time and the News had different sources. I bet the Times is wincing.

  699. NJ November 15th, 2007 at 4:06 pm

    I guess the aliens landed, Pete.

  700. Kasper November 15th, 2007 at 4:55 pm

    Terry
    November 15th, 2007 at 12:24 pm
    Truth for Freedom,

    Name one “hit” that really matters.

    Terry,
    Not sure, but are you talking about Arod?

    Please see the link below.

    http://video.google.com/videop.....;plindex=0

  701. Nick November 15th, 2007 at 7:22 pm

    The Alex Rodriguez Conundrum that will haunt him for the rest of his career…

    http://nicks2cents.blogspot.co.....-alex.html

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