Today in The Journal News
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- November
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The Yankees made Mariano Rivera a big offer and are waiting on a response. Mike Lowell also is in play now.
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The tabloids have “A-Rod could possibly, maybe, return to the Yankees” stories today.” This is the story that will not go away, it seems, no matter what the Yankees say.
In theory, Alex could come to the Yankees and volunteer to eat the $21.3 million the Yankees are losing from Texas. In theory, aliens could land in Central Park as well.
But doing that would be a complete reversal for A-Rod. I find it hard to believe that he walked away from a $200 million deal from the Yankees (at least) without knowing he could get more someplace else. That the Angels are the only team to suggest signing jim seems telling. Every other team has expressed at least some reservation.
But Alex sells papers, always has. In a market where there must be a baseball story every day, he’ll be a story until he actually signs with another team.
Make book on this: If A-Rod actually does his MVP conference call on Monday, he will throw open the door to the Yankees. Why wouldn’t he? Just the perception that he could return to the Yankees helps them.
I was right on top of that, huh?
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COME BACK ALEX !!! But leave Bor-RRRRRRat at home !!!
Guess that vacation didn’t last long, eh Pete? I kid, I kid.
If he even takes that conference call it would be revealing. But I think he will.
Winning the MVP and the timing of the call is really good news for A-Rod in terms of his negotiations. It’s free publicity, something he didn’t have to arrange and it’s an opportunity to remind teams who may be hesitating what caliber of player he is.
Let’s see what happens. The richest team in baseball has a need for a righty bat and a 3B.
Phil
November 14th, 2007 at 9:39 am
Let’s see what happens. The richest team in baseball has a need for a righty bat and a 3B.
Makes too much sense Phil.
Thanks, Pete, for the sensible, responsible reporting that you do.
The guys at the Post got the notion that the door is still open to Alex just because Hank said, “Whether something did happen or not, I am not going to comment on that situation.”
A-rod’s not dropping the price for anyone, that’s not in their DNA. Maybe a compromise of less years, higher per annum? Find out who the highest paid athlete in sports is to get an estimate. Maybe Tiger, including all his endorsements?
Like I said yesterday, it’s not the $21M. That’s a drop in the bucket and barely what they spent on Roger. It’s the principle of the whole thing. In fact, why should Alex even expect the Yankees to give him the time of day? Oh, yeah, he’s the best baseball player in history.
I still can’t picture him coming back to the table. Wouldn’t that look desperate because the market clearly wasn’t what they thought it would be?
Have a good vacation Pete! I guess I’ll have to actually try and sell some insurance now.
How bout Tony Clark for 1B?
In the last month Arod has:
Purchased Shaq’s Star Island home in Miami Beach for between 25-27 million dollars.
Purchased a new Gulfstream IV Jet for 45 million dollars.
He can’t afford to leave money on the table! lol
swing and a miss from 2004, pass
Buster on MO: Spoke to several agents and executives with rival teams Tuesday who are surprised that Rivera is hesitating as he decides whether to accept that offer.
You know, Phil, when you think about it logically, the Yankees’ need for ARod is probably greater than anyone else’s. And for certain, the Yankees would be courting ARod if the scenario were not what it is. But, it is what it is, so we’ll all just have to tune in tomorrow…and tomorrow…and tomorrow…the saga continues.
“The guys at the Post got the notion that the door is still open to Alex just because Hank said, “Whether something did happen or not, I am not going to comment on that situation.””
considering Hank comments on every minutia of every single topic, i think his silence IS actually telling here.
i bet the door has been opened, just a tiny little CRACK, for Alex to return.
there really is a possibility that Boras closed a door with the Yankees that Alex didn’t want closed. re-opening it would take some serious concessions on his part. it seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened.
it’s possible that the Angels were prepared to blow him away with an offer, but simply changed their minds when the Marlins put Cabrera on the market.
who knows? so many possibilities. and so much DRAMA, which is par for the course with A-Rod.
but i would guess that the possibility of A-Rod returning has increased from .01% to 2% in the last few days.
hmmm,
I could take another year or two of Alex’s drama, but 10 or 12 years? I want to watch baseball, not “The Bold and the Beautiful”!
Yanks need Arod and Arod needs the Yanks………This will get done eventually and all sides will save face……like someone said, “It makes too much sense” Especially since the Yanks are pretty barren in terms positional players (close to the Bigs) I didn’t like reading these quotes about everyones beloved Austin Jackson and B Gardner-
One National League scout who was assigned to the Yankees’ minor league system this season rated their best position player prospects as outfielders Brett Gardner, a singles hitter who stole 18 bases at Double-A Trenton, and Austin Jackson, the converted football project who had 13 homers and 59 RBI in 127 games in A-ball. “But neither one of them,” he added, “would I consider top tier. They both have holes
OUCH!!
I don’t understand what Mo is looking for either. The Yankees are already looking to pay him an insane amount for a closer. He won’t get that on the open market. The Yankees should hold firm to thier 3/45 offer.
“Buster on MO: Spoke to several agents and executives with rival teams Tuesday who are surprised that Rivera is hesitating as he decides whether to accept that offer”
that’s because, unlike Posada, he will get LESS on the open market.
this offer is a clear overpayment. and while i am ultimately OK with it b/c i love Mo, part of me thinks they should rescind the offer and let him find out his market value on his own. it won’t be 3 years, $45M that’s for sure.
however, this is the real world, not fantasy baseball, and if they did that, he would probably take less money somewhere else just to stick it to them.
just take the offer Mo so we can all go back to our delusional bubbles where we believe the only athlete in the world looking for max dollars is named Alex Rodriguez, and where you are the humble closer who said 2 contracts ago you were going to retire and become a minister.
Nud, that NL scout must have never heard of Jose Tabata who’s considered the Yanks best positional prospect. Therefore I would take what he said with a grain of salt.
“I could take another year or two of Alex’s drama, but 10 or 12 years? I want to watch baseball, not “The Bold and the Beautiful”!”
good point.
but i’d sign up for 6 more years of it with an option for a 7th ;)!!
As far as Alex goes I would offer him 5/100 or maybe 6/120. I certainly wouldn’t go over 6 years, and for the amount that he is looking for. All is too quiet on that front, I don’t think they have the suiters that Borass thought they would.
“I could take another year or two of Alex’s drama, but 10 or 12 years? I want to watch baseball, not “The Bold and the Beautiful”!”
In 12 year Arod might still be bold, but beautiful?!
“Nud, that NL scout must have never heard of Jose Tabata who’s considered the Yanks best positional prospect. Therefore I would take what he said with a grain of salt.”
i would also take it with a grain of salt b/c Austin Jackson played BASKETBALL, not football.
SJ44,
What’s the saying, “Don’t count your chickens before they hatch? Either Alex has some serious dough (no duh) or he already has a deal in place.
raymagnetic,
Tony Clark’s eyes are scary. We’ve filled the scary eyes quota with our current third baseman.
migames,
I love Mo as much as the next person, but his pissed off athlete act is getting old. One factor is that he may be mad about how the club is treating Alex. But that shouldn’t get in the way of business, and they are treating Mo with the utmost respect. I don’t see how he can be insulted with that offer. Speaking of, I can’t believe that Mo pulled the ‘there’s always Joe and the Dodgers’ card. Who’s that? The latest alternative rock band? Hold firm, Hank!!
hmmmmm
who knows? so many possibilities. and so much DRAMA, which is par for the course with A-Rod.
What’s amazing to me is that the drama continues to spin even though A-Rod hasn’t publicly said a word in 5 weeks and Boras hasn’t commented publicly on anything A-Rod since before the GM meetings. Everyone seems to know what he’s thinking, what he wants or what he will do when he has given no indications on any of it. The concept of “A-Rod” doesn’t need the person of Alex Rodriguez to even be involved in the debate.
I would imagine that Mo is getting ready to respond to the offer. He will look around at other offers, but he won’t find another one like that. He’s just following Cuza’s orders to look around, nothing more.
The best thing that could happen to Rodriguez obviously, is that the Marlins either trade Miguel Cabrera or take him completely off of the market. I think that there will be a renewal of the old rivalry of the Giants and Dodgers for Rodriguez’s services. Until then, Boras and Rodriguez are practically begging the Marlins to do something with Cabrera. There has definitely been an effect on Rodriguez’s market with Cabrera being available.
Slam the door on A-Rod.
Sign Lowell. He is automatically a better glove and a better teammate, and he was originally a Yankee. He’ll be better than Scott Brosius, and who could ask for anything more?
He also puts the Red Sox in the pickle of needing a 3B-man, and their best option will be putting Youkilis back on 3B.
Ha!
jennifer
you have no future as a successful GM. any team who doesn’t lock A-Rod up for 7 years minimum is letting him try to break a HR record possibly wearing another uniform. If a team is going to make a financial commitment during the chase, they are going to want to be there for the payoff.
Pete we need you back on if any of the stuff in daily news or the post is true.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we found out about Mo before the end of the day.
From Pete Caldera of The Record.
But a three-year, $45 million offer is so far unacceptable to the Rivera camp, which is said to be seeking $50 million for the closer’s last long-term contract.
45 million is already too much; let him walk. Cincinnati will give him 40 million and he can languish there
Lowell will be a complete bust. He will not hit over 280 at the stadium. Also we would have to give him an extra year which at that point he will be another burden to the team. I can’t see him being a good fit at all.
I have a feeling the ROD is coming back….
Someone check on Peter. He’s probably on a stretcher some where hooked to an IV. We all know the last thing he wants is to see Alex back. It’s going to be OK Pete. Come down from that ledge. The possibility is very minimal.
On that note:
ALEX, WE STILL WANT YOU. COME BACK TO US!!!!!!!!
I told you guys !!!!
Bill Madden confirming it on WFAN Arod pissed w/ Boras and wants to come back to the Yankees, Madden saids it would have to be under the Yankees term, Alex is going behind Boras’s back, Alex will represent himself, Yankees do not want Boras in the same room, Alex will meet soon w/ Hank.
arod should pay boris under the table - publicly fire his agent and sign a 10 year contact… If he does this correctly - his people could spin this and look great…
This is turning int a Grisham Novel
AAAAAA FRaud…..AAAAAA Fraud. We don’t need you!!
Pleeease Lord, don’t let it happen.
Sign Lowell already and let’s move on without that fraudster.
SCREW LOWELL !!!! COME BACK HOME ALEX !!!
get a life guys Arod is not coming back!!!!!!!!!!!
Deal with it.
Thurman
November 14th, 2007 at 10:12 am
Slam the door on A-Rod.
Sign Lowell. He is automatically a better glove and a better teammate, and he was originally a Yankee. He’ll be better than Scott Brosius, and who could ask for anything more?
He also puts the Red Sox in the pickle of needing a 3B-man, and their best option will be putting Youkilis back on 3B.
Ha!
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No, Boston’s best option would be Alex Rodriguez at third. Pedroia, Youkilis, Ortiz, Ramirez and Rodriguez in order would be murderous.
if your listening to WFAN right now you’ll find out how wrong you are
The Bronx is not Alex’s “home.”
He and his lip gloss will do perfectly well in Anaheim.
Incidentally, if we sign Lowell (whatever one’s opinion of him), the Red Sox would almost certainly go hard after A-Rod. I don’t want to see that.
Oh i forgot if the Fan says it must be true. Bill Madden is still drunk from last night, he is about as connected to the team as any of of us. Just trying to sell papers
I do not want A-Rod back…but we did get Posada back and hopefully we’ll get Mo back…
With all the rumors swirling, if the Yanks sign Lowell before A-Rod declines arbitration they risk paying $41 million dollars and having 2 third basemen for at least a year.
If Arod is “going behind Boras’ back”, how come Madden knows about it and is broadcasting it to the world?
Seems that would go against going behind one’s back, wouldn’t it?
Clearly, something is up or the usually quotable Hank Steinbrenner wouldn’t be issuing no comments.
I just don’t think anybody is going behind anybody’s back.
LOL Lowell sucks I can’t believe some of you people. Yeah, let’s sign Mike Lowell (who is two years removed from hitting .236/.298/.360 only to be revived by Fenway) and in the process give BOSTON two additional draft picks. Brilliant thinking, get a clue.
if it turns out that he is willing to make consesions because he wants to be a yankee i would welcome him back with open arms… It would have to be a press conference where it comes out as being heartfelt.
He has know Boras since he is 17. That is a long time - perhaps boras has a bit too much influence and he is realizing it…
I am an arod fan - BUT if he does not want to be a yankee, he can go elsewhere.
Madden usually gets his information from the Steinbrenners, so trust the source. Remember how premature Madden was a year ago when he said Torre was gone. That wasn’t necessarily wrong at the time, as George’s mind was changed. At the time Madden reported it, it was accurate.
Madden is correct.
ALEX FIRE BOR-RRRRRAT YOU DON’T NEED HIM ANYMORE
Arod will be a Yankee beleive it or not Mo will resign. Business as usual get bullpen help and we will be fine for the future
PETE - do we know if Madden is an a-rod guy… i know alex talks to some media more than others…
Do we know if there is a relationship between madden and boras?
Before you get carried away with Madden’s breaking news Brandon, accuracy has not been his strong suit re: the Yankees the last two years.
To recap:
He had the Yankees firing Torre last year….only to have to issue a mea culpa on that one.
Had Don Mattingly being named manager this year. Whoops.
And today, had Austin Jackson being a former FOOTBALL player, when getting an scouting report (and an inaccurate one that) from his NL scout “friend”.
Jackson was a basketball player in HS, who turned down a scholarship to play point guard at Georgia Tech to sign with the Yankees. He never played football.
Doesn’t mean he isn’t correct on this one. However, given his recent high profile misses, I’d refrain from using his words as gospel re: Arod.
Than Alex better make sure to fire Borass. Otherwise he could come after him for commission.
If the Yankees sign Lowell it will complete the repeat of history… as in when the Yankees let Reggie go.
Lowell had a career year. Let Boston re-sign him and have to deal with his lack of production. Lowell has had one single year over .300, this past year. He is getting older and he was let go because he was doing poorly. He isn’t another Ortiz unless he is on the juice.
One thing about rumors, when there are this many of them floating around, there is some truth to it. At the very least that “closed door” is opening.
I trust Madden, just because usually he get’s his info directly from the Steinbrenners.
Bring him back! I don’t like the options that have been mentioned to replace Arod. The Yankees need Arod, Arod needs the Yankees, it’s mutual. Let’s get it done!
Jennifer, even if Boras got fired he would still get his money from A-Rod. He will bring him to court if need be, and prove that A-Rod’s value was driven up by him.
What difference does it make who his agent is? Most teams have to deal with Boras anyway.
The pitching staff the Yankees have lined up for 2008 will need some offense to cover up their lack of experience. Especially if Andy retires. There are two choices to fill that hole. A-Rod or Cabrera. One of those choices costs money, but talents don’t go elsewhere. One will cost heavily in talents. Which do you think is the better way to go?
If you where signing Lowell it would be for his defense… I would not count on him hitting for average in the stadium. Some would say that he is a Fenway hitter…
I dont like him. He practically killed the whole right side of our infield last year - They should have put a couple fastballs into his ribs for the concussion and the near concussion he almost laid on cano
Well, Boras got what he wanted the perception that the Yankees are back bidding for Arod. Anyone believing this dribble is a idot. Boy i give Boras a lot of credit he is better than i thought
A-rod finally started handling new york last year… i know his playoff numbers are pathetic (post redsox series) but atleast we know he can handle new york in the regular season. YOU could trade for cabrera and it could turn out he cant handle new york.
Same thing with Yohan. Look at Vasquez,brown,and the big unic,kenny rogers, any pitcher we got from the braves
going back
Tartabull - (yuck)
jack clark
Look, guys, business is business, and anything is possible. Sure, Alex and his representatives (Boras and co.) might be talking quietly to the Yankees about how sorry they are. But how serious are they?
Look at the history. ARod has been with Boras since he was 16-17. They are co-owners of ARod, Inc. They have always gone for the money, and more is better as far as they are concerned. Are we to believe that ARod is now going to turn his back on his surrogate father and give a discount? Especially with the way he appears to be going through $$$ (see SJ44’s post above).
I don’t blame the Yankees for pausing to give this a second look. But I would think they would be very wary of being used to drive ARod’s price up. I don’t think Hank appreciates being played for a sucker.
A-Rod is the only intelligent choice.
Lowell 2007 was a fluke. He will not repeat his stats in 2008. Signing him to 4 years would be disastrous.
Trading for Cabrera 1 year before he becomes a free agent would be foolish.
A-Rod is the best player in the game.
Anyone who thinks guys like Cabrera and Santana, who have no trade clauses, will allow themselves to be dealt the year before they become free agents and gain the ability to truly test the market are devoid of anything remotely resembling logic.
Yankees sign A-Rod, make no other trades, dump massive payroll after 2008, and then go get a few #1 quality starting pitchers and perhaps a 1B or OF (Curtis Granderson anyone?) via free agency after the 2008 season.
Hey Brandon….
How ya doing?? Wink, Wink
Evan Roberts thinks that maybe Arod name is on the list and that could be a reason why he wants to come back.
i would not doubt it… You would be a fool not to take juice during this era..
This is not a your local high school kid shooting mexican animal steroids…
These guys are getting human grade testosterone, they are getting there blood work done regularly. They are not going ape sh!t with dosages…
Miller, I’m doing good now
The most humorous part about this story may be listening to MMD this afternoon proclaim:
Russo: “That will NEVER happen… A-Rod’s not coming back (because he wants the Giants to sign them).
Fran-excess: “I knew this was going on a few days ago…”
Where are my props???????
hahaha, Im just kidding. Ill keep quiet until a dotted line is signed.
Steinbro’s:
Say NO to the former Plastic Jesus in Pinstripes!
“human grade testosterone”
??
If Mariano really wants more than $45 million then I think we have to let him walk. I can’t see any other team giving him more than that. Anyone have any info on what Cordero is looking for?
Best chance for the Yanks to win next yr is to sign AROD-would make it much easier to complete a deal for Johan, Haren etc..nothing like getting an all star player without having to trade away bluechip prospects!!
Cordero has received a 4 year offer, don’t know how much, maybe 40M, most likely from the Astros.
yum… arod kool aid.
“human grade testosterone”
believe it or not, alot of bodybuilders get foreign juice that is animal grade because of prices, as you would think - there are not as many quality controls on this stuf… And they get sick, and then that news gets in the papers…
next thing you know our govt is putting steroids in the same class as heroin…
Hey El Comaduce
You forgot to mention Steve Kemp and Jim Ray Hart,and the Toy Cannon,and Jose Canseco etc etc etc
The Yanks need Right handed power and a 3b.
Hmmmmm
Where do you find that guy???
I realize Cordero is a good closer. But do you think he would ever consider becoming a set up man?
Mark Feinsand was just on ESPN2. Said A-Rod will be talking with Yankees and back room conversations have already taken place. Said he would have to eat the 21 million from Texas in order for the deal to get done because the Yankees said that was the only sticking point all along. Said A-Rod always wanted to be a Yankee and has not been happy with how Boras handled everything. Said he expects A-Rod back in pinstripes for 08. Said Mariano is the top priority right now but an A-Rod deal could probably be done rather quickly.
You mean Evan “Screech” Roberts?
Hey Miller,
It’s not about what what Cordero or any player wants. It’s about what the team wants.
“I realize Cordero is a good closer. But do you think he would ever consider becoming a set up man?”
Doesn’t make financial sense for him to accept a non-closing role.
I don’t believe Cordero would ever setup, especially after last year, he is ready to cash in. The only way is he signs with a team & then falters & has to work his way backup to closing.
Cordero is soooo overrated…….He puts on 2 base runners per inning…..he had a great start to last yr saving like the first 20 plus games in a row but was just ok in the 2nd half…..He better stay in the NL as he was torched with Texas which lead to him being dealt to the BrewCrew. Any team that gets Cordero will probably get 2 good yrs but a 4 yr deal for him is nuts..He isnt that good folks
It’s not about what Cordero will do.
You think he’d refuse to play baseball because he wants to close and he wouldn’t pitch the 8th inning in NY?
Octavio Dotel bombed in NY in the set up role and he still got 5 mil +.
Nud, I agree, he should stay in the NL, the AL will light him up, like when he was with Texas.
There are so few decent closers in the league… I could name 10+ guys i would love to have as my ace… But maybe 3-4 closers
Really? Feinsand said all that? Did anyone say why Alex refused to speak to any of his teammates/Yankee officials in the last month?
I don’t care if the Yankees help drive up the price as long as they’re not stuck with the bill at the end.
BTW, no way on God’s green Earth is Alex going to fire Boras. Even though he would have a case against him. I do believe that bonehead moves is cause for termination of contract.
BBTW, Alex is due for a pretty nice check when he wins the MVP. $1.5M for his 3rd MVP. I’d like to see the Yankees hold a big press conference to present a big cardboard check. “Alex was unable to make it today. He said he has a previous engagement in Los Angeles. We want to congratulate Alex for his great 2007 MVP season.”
I bet I am like 70% of the Yankee fans that do not want arod back.. WE ARE TIRED OF HIM AND THE CIRCUS..
Bye arod go away.. bring the titles to your next team…he is a nicer version of marbury… I am wrong sorry arod has won a few playoff games during his stat laden career.
i do not want him around and the circus that follows him…go away arod….fir the kiddies that post here it is true you can actually win titles without allstars at every position and with some guys who make less then $5 mill a yr…..
yeah arod is so upset at boras he is still his agent… for a good laguh listen to the press conference after he wins the mvp on monday that should be a real comedy filed with alot of truth, honesty, and heartfelt comments…
arod is such a phony it is mindboggling that you great judges of character cannot see it… yeah yeah yeah he has great stats etc., so WHAT!!!!!!!
Eric-
If you pay Cordero 40M for 4 years, he would setup.
I am among those that believe its a ploy by ARod/Boras to bring the Yankees back into the picture so they can inflate potential offers. They seriously over-estimated the market and under-estimated the Yankee Front Office’s resolve in taking a stand on the ‘opt out” ultimatum.
“LaLa Land” - either the Angels or Dodgers - is a natural fit for this Human Soap Opera.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/11/14/2007-11-14_yankees_set_to_bring_arod_back__on_their.html
so the Daily News is a tabloid, huh ? Personally…crawling back is the only way it happens and it appears that is exactly the case. The Yankees WITH A-Rod are MUCH better than without A-Rod and having to give up youth to replace him. Also, don’t think for a minute that the Yankees won’t go HARD for Santana AND Pettite…A Rotation of Santana, Wang, Pettite, Chamberlain and either Hughes or Kennedy ( one will be going away in the trade for Santana ) with the lineup of sluggers including A-Rod and a surgically repaired Matsui, spells #27 in ‘08 !!!
Arod and Boras will play the fans for fools as long as they can and AWOL’s Army will continue to torment the diehards. Please just sign with San Francisco and stop SCREWING UP our offseason harmony.
ARod taking a discount to sign with a team would be unprecedented - and a big blow to Boras, as well as the Players Association.
Remember how the PA blocked his going to Boston 4 years ago? How would they take his signing for a “downgraded” contract? Don’t you think there would be a lot of pressure exerted? And how would Boras look to his clients, present and future?
There are a lot of layers to this, and any desire of ARod to play for the Yankees is only a part of it.
Peter A.
Delete them! All of them! Please just make them go away!
“Said A-Rod always wanted to be a Yankee and has not been happy with how Boras handled everything. Said he expects A-Rod back in pinstripes for 08. Said Mariano is the top priority right now but an A-Rod deal could probably be done rather quickly.”
i am not getting my hopes up, b/c this still feels like a huge longshot, but as a Yankee fan i would have no problem welcoming him back under these conditions.
if this happened and he apologized for how things went down, i would accept it.
some people would refuse to take him at his word, but i would believe it for one reason: he’d be talking with his wallet if he swallowed the Texas money and negotiated face to face with the Yankees.
bring Alex back. keep the prospects. sign Mo. give Pettitte a 2009 option.
gear up for the 2009 FA class.
So, if A-Rod fires Boras and negotiates this new deal with the Yankees with the $21 million paycut, it’ll be a wash for Alex because he won’t have to pay Boras that money essentially.
Count me in the camp that wants Alex back, psychodrama and all. And I know my heart is about to be broken, because that is what baseball does.
The closer role is so overrated. There was a great article in the NY Sun today by Steve Goldman that explained why Mo is far more expendable than a lot of people think. If he won’t take $45 million then we don’t need him.
I bet you were really tired of the circus stuart last yr when A-Rod had clutch hit after clutch hit and single handedly carried us on his back to 90+ wins.
Really, stuart? You tired of that??
What a bunch of phonies.
From Mel:
“One factor is that he may be mad about how the club is treating Alex.”
Is the club treating Alex badly? Last I knew, Cashman was being entirely true to his word about how they’d handle him. (I don’t have a pro- or anti-Alex bias, btw. I wish he hadn’t opted out, that’s all.)
I think it’s more likely Mo doesn’t like how they treated Joe Torre. “There’s always Joe and the Dodgers” was a silly thing to say, but it was probably his way of expressing that he’d rather be playing for Joe T. than Joe G. next year.
Forget Cordero. He’s not any good and paying him 40 million for the Dominican version of Kyle Farnsworth isn’t going to make him any better.
Before everybody turns on Mariano, how ’bout we wait and see if he turns down the deal.
So far, nobody is saying is has turned down the deal. Only that he hasn’t repsonded to it.
Who knows, maybe he is at Arod’s house helping him get his deal done with the Yankees.
I think that 70 percent would drop considerably if a-rod gave a heartfelt apology to the fans via a press conference…
Plus it is not just a baseball issue. Alot of us
Yeah, the closer role is sooooo overrated.
Ask Atlanta 92-2005 if its overrated.
Ask the Indians if its overrated when they had Jose Mesa out there.
Ask the Sox before they had Foulke and Papelbon.
Give me a break. Not everyone can close.
I don’t buy into the inflating prices deal. I believe if the Yankees are going to do it - they’ll do it in a manner similar to Damon’s deal and the way Andru Jones hammered out his deal with the Braves. Take a day, say “here’s the deal.” Stay in the offices until 8pm and hammer out the details… and then take it or leave it. You walk away, we’re done and no more negotiating. You want to stay, sign right here.
Then no market inflation and the FO knows for sure if Arod wants back in. Damon’s deal was dealt with in a similar fashion - limited time offer and good for only several hours. No dice, no contract. There will be no ploy to get the Yankees to inflate Arod’s already exorbant price tag.
Come April 1 no one here will be complaining when A-Rod is hitting 4th instead of Mike Lamb or Pedro Feliz.
count me as one af the probably 70% who will be pissed if the CANCER IS BACK. I do not even need to say his name because you all know who the cancer is.
The only way the cancer will be back is if he cannot get his $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ elsewhere.. you morons still go for the line he always wanted to be the yankee….Man you guys are fools…
Yeah and arod has not spoken publicly for 3 weeks because?????????????? If any reporter with a brain could interview him they would make him look like a friggin phony pathetic liar…….
the stat lover moron fans must be giddy that the empty suit may be back…
Joe,
You would think that Alex would gain a lot of respect if he did that. They look foolish hawking overpriced wares anyway. As for the other clients, I’d want Boras on my side getting me my due, but personally I’d be embarrassed by some of Boras’ actions and words. Boras has lost some of his shine and is a big joke to everyone but his clients, who are laughing all the way to the bank. But, there are plenty of good agents who have gotten big money for their clients. Boras is a necessary evil, but he’s still evil.
Alex will never take an undervalued contract. It’s a status thing for him.
et tu SJ44? Stoking the arod flames eh?
A-Rod is going to be back in pinstripes.
Makes just too much sense.
How is his contract “under market”? It may be for less than what Boras wanted but, its hardly undermarket since, it would still be the largest contract (in AAV) in the game.
Can’t argue collusion when the contract is #1 on the list.
As far as Boras is concerned, IF (and I still don’t buy all of this stuff) Arod does this deal himself, he is still on the hook for paying Boras’ commission, per the ruling in the Boras V. Sheffield case a few years ago.
ale rodriguez and heartfelt anything is laughable..
the guy has no heart that is the problem.. he is a ego maniac, narcissist, pathetic moron…..
enjoy your $30 mill home, fancy crs, and jets, and all those titles………
this guy is the ultimate empty suit………
Eric,
The closer role is overrated in the way it is used during the regular season. Closers usage tends not be optimized because managers now manage for the imaginary save. Torre, like everyone else, was guilty of this during the regular season. Luckily, he didn’t use Mo the same way in the playoffs and actually brought him in earlier when the games were on the line.
Here’s the Goldman article for those interested.
http://www.nysun.com/article/66451
How is Boras evil?
For putting a gun to the heads of teams and forcing them to “overpay”???
For making his clients take the best deal they can???
Name me one player who’s ever said a bad word about Boras.
The guy is an exceptional agent. Stop buying into the leagues spin that he’s the anti-Christ for getting his guys top dollar.
Is it possible to ink a contract that looks “undervalued,” but essentially has many incentive-based payments which could ultimately end up paying him much more?
“Remember how the PA blocked his going to Boston 4 years ago? How would they take his signing for a “downgraded” contract? Don’t you think there would be a lot of pressure exerted? And how would Boras look to his clients, present and future? ”
complete apples and oranges. these two situations are in no way related.
it is likely that the Yankees would still make him a large offer that would continue to make him the highest paid player in the majors. the Union would have no problem with that unless they had HARD evidence that another team was prepared to offer him substancially more, which is unlikely.
A-Rod did get pressure from the union to sign with the Rangers, but that was b/c the Rangers’ offer was such a landmark contract. the union needed him to take that contrace b/c it raised the stakes for superstar contracts, with Jeter being the primary recipient.
but the situation with Boston was completely different. they wanted him to lower the value of an EXISTING contract. and that is a strict NO-NO.
How would the A-Rod contract be under valued???
He’d still be the highest paid player in the game by far!
We’ve made the playoffs every year A-Rod has been on the team, so I guess he just starts spreading his cancer in October.
Who cares how much they pay him?????
This is the same team that is paying Giambi 20 mil a yr, Pavano 10, Farnsworth 6, etc, etc
And they are going to quibble over 21 mil???
It’s just stupid.
We are going to lose our best player in his prime because of 21 mill?
Yeah right.
“Whatya gonna do? Nice college boy, eh? Don’t wanna get mixed up in the yankee business? Now you wanna fire the best agent in baseball just because he took your thirdbasemen free-agent, huh? Whataya think this is, the Army, where you shoot ‘em a mile away? You gotta get up close like this… badaBING! you blow their brains all over your nice Ivy League suit. C’mere… you’re taking this very personal.”
Today little stein settles all family business… Time to convince boras that we are putting him on a plane to vegas
Farnsworth to Baltimore for Miguel Tejada.
Baltimore sheds Tejada’s $26M ($13M/yr.) through 2009 - Farnsworth’s $5.75M for 2008 = $20.25M ($7.25M next year, $13M in 2009) and could clear $5.75M by letting go of Farnsworth after 2008. Their closer Chris Ray is out for 2008 from Tommy John surgery, so they’ll need a closer. Enter Farnsworth who has some experience closing. He could be an option among several guys to be the closer or be part of a “closer by committee”. The Yanks take on $20.25M more in salary (Tejada’s $26M through 2009 - Farnsworth’s $5.75M for 2008) including $7.25M in 2008 and $13M in 2009, but I look at getting him like this:
He costs the Yanks $7.25M for 2008 and an average of $10.125M/yr. and Farnsworth’s $5.75M is on the ‘08 payroll, only Farnsworth isn’t taking up a spot on the 25-man roster. Who cares about an extra $20.25M across two years with A-Rod’s $90+M for 2008-10 off the books from him opting out? No overpaying for Lowell, trading for Crede who has had exactly one really good year (2006) and terrible career OBP (a litte over .300), or taking a chance on Betemit.
Tejada is a veteran righthanded power-hitter who could fit into the Yanks’ everyday lineup nicely like this:
Damon
Jeter
Abreu
Posada
Matsui
Tejada
Cano
Giambi
Cabrera
A-Rod has been such bad luck we’ve won 95 games a year and made the playoffs four years in a row.
One thing is for sure. Its pretty clear the PR beating Arod has taken the last few weeks has had some effect on his situation.
Whether its real (teams are backing off of him) or imagined, something has changed.
Once Hank Steinbrenner said “no comment” to the Arod stuff, you have a feeling something is going on.
I sincerely hope its not to play the Yankees to get other teams involved. If that’s the case, if he thought he had bad PR off the World Series debacle, it would PALE to what it would be like he played the Yankees for a better deal somewhere else now.
I do believe, if he offers up a sufficient mea culpa (signing for less money, apology, etc), the fans (at least most of them) would welcome him back with open arms.
arod and a heartfelt mea culpa is a impossability because arod has no heart..
you fools do not understand he has no heart just ego and self…
he should play on a team with other notables like; marbury, terrel owens, and other team first class acts…
the guy has no heart and no class. he thinks if you dress nice, have good manners, and talk a certain way you have class but those qualities prove you are polite not have class. AFRAUD you can not buy class.. isn’t it interesting all his beloved teamates do not appear to upset that he is gone!!!!!!!!
if he came back it is for one reason the boras scheme(not a plan for a guy like him) did not work…that would be the only reason he would come back and talk about his heartfelt(joke) love for the pinstries……….
The trade proposals here are beyond hilarious.
Farnsworth for an all star in Tejada.
WOW!!
Joe Alien has been rumored to be negotiating a 5 year contract with the Yankees management. They were spotted talking about a deal on a bench in the middle of Central Park, 2 blocks from the UFO landing zone.
If that Daily news story is correct, Arod has a good shot at coming back a total hero — it could be one of the largest reversals of fortune in NY sports history. If he plays the PR correct the sky is the limit for the increase in his stature in NY.
The funny thing is, in reality, this all could have been orchestrated by Boras. A good lawyer will always take the fall for his valued client. This is classic Boras, he is happy to be the demon to help his client reverse the damage to his image.
Honestly, I don’t want to get my hopes up, but this could just be too good to be true. Signing Arod makes the most sense. Signing Lowell actually lowers our position in the first round of the draft and is barely an upgrade over Betemit. Trading for Cabrera might save us some money in the early years, but costs us a lot of young talent, which will likely be paid for with expensive free agents — in the end it will likely be more expensive than signing Arod and keeping the youngsters.
stuart,
Get a life.
I bet you were cheering when he hit that homer off Papelbon and that single off Papelbon.
Weren’t you, stewie?
You’re the fraud.
A-Rod is such a cancer he’s won 2 MVP awards.
How about you get him some pitching because pitching wins titles.
Boras is not evil - he is just too good at what he does… I wish i could have in negotiate my next consulting contract… It is just fun to equate him to a cross between darth vader and satan (the south park version)
Why not Farnsworth for Cabrera?
Florida needs a closer too.
And maybe Andy Phillips for Santana.
ESPN is now reporting the NY Daily News’ article. So basically, it’s just the Daily News. No one else is reporting these back door talks. And why would this “high-ranking official” blurt out that these talks are taking place? It only enhances any market that there is out there for his services… color me skeptical, but I’ll believe it when I see it.
Wonder who the third party who is acting as intermediary is? Posada? He’s had the Yankees ear the past few days.
loren, comaduce, and other arod lovers. best player!!really .. arod does not even believe that if he did one of his criterium for his next team would not be the ability to win now with other great players already there… if he was truly a great player he would believe he can lift his team to greatness but he does not think that because he is correct he cannot and the proof is his 13 yr career.
do not tell me ted williams, ernie banks, and others have never won a championship because arod has played on teams with plenty of talent and done NADA..
I cringe every time I see another rottissiere stat geek say arod is the best player in the game, HE IS NOT. He plays a hollow game like his personality.
Uhh, guys. Undermarket and undervalued are too different things. Value is in the eye of the beholder. We all know that he’s overpriced, but in the eyes of the A-team any contract that takes out $21M would be undervalued.
And Eric, the Alex hate that you see here is not because Alex shunned the Yankees. It’s relief. For years we’ve had to bite our tongues because it’s bad form to bash the best player on your team. I promise that IF Alex comes back, I won’t be on the “Oooohhh, Alex! We love you, you’re the best!” bandwagon. I’ll silently stew in my juices.
Darrell - lets be fair… If we are giving them Phillips they can atlest throw Francisco Liriano into the deal… Just looking for an even exchange of talent
“I cringe every time I see another rottissiere stat geek say arod is the best player in the game, HE IS NOT. He plays a hollow game like his personality.”
Funniest thing I’ve read in a long time. If you can work up a full 15 minute act, you should consider going out on tour.
No market price was ever set on A-Rod’s contract. All the numbers being thrown around attributed to the Yankees and Boras were just talk. It takes a meeting of the minds to set market rate. The market rate will be whatever he signs his name to wherever that may be.
I was cheering when he hit the homer off papelbon moron.. But even a moron like me sooner or later get’s it.. just slow learners like you cannot see arod is afraud and is a nicer version of bonds. a ego maniac, superior talent, but destined to fail because of there personality and psyche..
so mikey you get a life and remember the yanks won with the likes of chad curtis, brosius, shane spencer, mariano duncan, and others and this collection of overpriced all stars have come up so short the last few years it is laughable….
I expect arod to win more games next yr. in april and june but not in october.. arod has in his contract he takes off october……
“count me as one af the probably 70% who will be pissed if the CANCER IS BACK. I do not even need to say his name because you all know who the cancer is.”
count me as one of the 70% who will be happy if he comes back.
wait, where does my 70% come from?
i made it up, just like you did.
Stuart - your right - Manny is a good example of rising to the moment and taking over a playoff game… This year the whole team went into a funk… Even jeter sucked… How often can you say that.
We have not won recently because of pitching… This year - if we get lucky with the kids, we could have a really solid rotation. I have no clue what to do with the pen.
hmmm - You have a point. However, I still think it would take major PR work if ARod and the Yankees were to make a deal at this point. Not impossible, but a lot of spin all the way around - ARod, Yankees, Boras.
We’ve all called A-Rod names and have shunned him like no player before. BUT, if he’s seriously willing to not have Borass by his side while he talks to the Yankees AND takes a “below the market” deal.
Welcome back A-Rod.
Like I said yesterday, the Yankees don’t care about loyalty and in this case rightfully so.
so mikey you get a life and remember the yanks won with the likes of chad curtis, brosius, shane spencer, mariano duncan, and others
The above comment is completely ridiculous..Yanks won because of the likes of Jeter, Paulie O, Tino, Bernie, Cone, Key, Wells, Andy, El Duque, Mo etc..Curtis, Spencer, Duncan were nice role/part time players that helped but they certainly werent the reason the Yanks won titles!!!
I do agree that having an all star at every position is definitely not necessary but AROD is the best April-October1st player in the game………..and he will get his ring and have his big post-season moment with the Yanks or on another team
Yeah, I cheered for that homerun, too. It got us the win and I really dislike Papel-pug.
You know, I also cheered for all of Alex’s milestones, too.
But, I definitely got a kick out of Bobby’s homeruns when he struggled, Jeter’s HR off Schilling, Cano’s golf shot in the playoffs, and all of Shelley’s bombs.
I agree with SJ the Hank no comment seems to be the most telling. This is a guy who every time asked about negotiating with Arod he said no, its over, he opted out, never and all of a sudden he has no comment. He comments on EVERYTHING. Something is a little fishy.
if this deal is made - it will feature george lucas style production…
Your going to have a-rod on the podium saying something to the effect of “i am making this decision independent of my agent…” He will apologize to the fans… lil stein will make a statment… And because it is for the good of the team i would picture jeter getting involved as well… It will be a love fest…
“Anyone who thinks guys like Cabrera and Santana, who have no trade clauses, will allow themselves to be dealt the year before they become free agents and gain the ability to truly test the market are devoid of anything remotely resembling logic.”
Do people not realize that TRADES CAN BE MADE CONTINGENT UPON EXTENSIONS? You don’t finalize a trade _hoping_ you can sign a guy to an extension. You initiate the deal and then get a window to agree upon an extension. The Yanks did this with the RJ deal. No extension, the trade doesn’t happen. And if the player won’t agree to one long enough, or is asking too much money, the team is under no obligation to come to terms.
It’s not “We’ll give you players X and Y and then hope we can sign Santana long term,” it’s “We’ll give you X and Y if and only if we can sign Santana long term.”
If Santana/Cabrera’s not agreeing to extensions with anyone, then he becomes a rental and his team can either trade him for a lot less value, or just keep him.
I wouldn’t hesitate for a minute in bringing Alex back to the fold, simply stated the Yankees can’t compensate for his production at third base in the current free agent market, and I think the price for Cabrera is simply to steep. I don’t care how much Alex is paid, it’s not coming out of my pocket.
Pete, enjoy some well deserved time off. Your humor is great and we will miss it. But recharging will help you to cope with all of us Yankee crazies and I’m sure some even new and funnier material will e I’m sure. We are grateful and happy to be part of this Blog!
BTW- Enough with A-Rod…we need Mo and it would be helpful if Andy was to get on board!
I bet Alex looked around and saw he was being killed in the media. in 2001, he was being hailed as the perfect player. Now he’s an average defensive 3rd baseman with a huge bat, not worth the contract he wants. My guess is what he realized that the only team that would really want to sign him was the SF Giants, a team that plays in a pitchers park and is terrible. If he actually wants to win, he’ll have to come crawling back to the Yankees or beg the Red Sox for a chance. When Boston went after Lowell hard, and the LA teams want Cabrera, my guess is he called Cashman.
He’s in trouble and knows it.
I to am in the 70% who want ARod back. Arod wasnt the only bat left in the dugout in the playoffs. How did our SS,
C,LF do at the plate. How did our ace pitch
one last comment, people keep saying the yankees should walk away b/c A-Rod brings a “circus” to town.
but how much of the “circus” was because of his contract and the opt out?
wouldn’t a new, long term contract with the Yankees basically eliminate that part of the “circus”.
millions of words have been spilled around “will he/won’t he” opt out, the texas subsidy, the announcement during the WS, the yankees’ position, Boras, etc. etc. etc.
all of that drama will go away, and A-Rod will just be like every other high priced superstar (ok, probably not).
but a lot of it would go away.
If the Yankees can bring back Billy Martin after he said, “One’s a born liar (Reggie Jackson) and the other one is a convicted one (George Steinbrenner), they sure as hell could bring back Arod and handle it, PR-wise.
What Billy said/did, is far worse than anything Arod has done.
That’s not the issue. The issue is, will Arod, for the first time in his life, do something without Scott Boras’ involvement or approval?
That’s the issue. Not whether or not the egos involved can handle him coming back.
Hmm,
Agreed. Played right, Arod could come out of this looking better (from a PR perspective) than he has in years.
Especially if he issues the proper public mea culpa, without Scott Boras in his presence.
In a way, its unfair to Boras because, if any of you think Arod wasn’t involved in how they were going to opt out, you are insanely naive as to how the process works.
That said, if you are Boras, you do what you gotta do to have a happy client.
If that means falling on the sword here and looking like the ultimate villain, you do it. That’s the job of an agent. Its always about making sure your client is positioned in the best possible way to maximize his opportunities.
kd,
LOL. Gammons actually said that Cabrera’s range factor was better than Alex’s.
Why is the PR so hard? The Yanks say “He came back, hat in hand, and we worked out a deal that took into account the money lost when he opted out.” Then ARod says “Sorry, guys I don’t really want to talk about the past. I always wanted to stay here and maybe I didn’t handle things as well as I could have. But the important thing now it to concentrate on this season and winning a ring for the fans here in NY.” There, spin is done.
SJ44 - You’ve got that right!
ahh, another day as a yankee fan.
never a dull moment around here. i love it
“That’s not the issue. The issue is, will Arod, for the first time in his life, do something without Scott Boras’ involvement or approval?”
Thats whats fishy about all of this. Who knows where the truth lies? I think, if true, boras might still be involved….
What’s with the “below market” stuff? So far the only numbers besides the LSD fueled ones from Boras have come from the Yankees.
I’m still finding all this hard to believe. It would mean that he turned on his own agent because of criticism? That would be a first.
“That’s the job of an agent. Its always about making sure your client is positioned in the best possible way to maximize his opportunities.”
good point sj, other opportunities like commericals and whatnot. How can you have madison ave, if madison ave is in new york?
I wonder how much of the a-rod package is Boras… Maybe if we exercised the boars demon, Arod would be able to relax more. Enjoy baseball more… Stop trying to say the most neutral politically correct comment and speak from the heart
I wonder if this turns into a “Return of the jedi” situation and arod throws boras into an abyss…
murph - More likely this isn’t really being done without Boras working behind the scenes. Boras probably found that he had overestimated the market and that the best deal for ARod is the Yanks offer minus 21 million or the Angels offer will increase if Arod is back in talks with NY.
ARod doing commercials and endorsements? What’s he going to sell, used cars? Real estate in Arkansas?
That’s why Yankees fans are the best. We always give 140%.
SJ44
“The issue is, will Arod, for the first time in his life, do something without Scott Boras’ involvement or approval?”
The ultimate goal for any agent is to get their client what they want and get the best deal in the process. If keeping Boras out of that process achieves the ultimate goal, he should be on board with the decision. While Boras may not be in the room, he will still give A-Rod input and be involved.
SJ44:
Good point with the Billy comparison.
Anything can be spun, in any direction.
I also think that Hank not commenting leads one to wonder.
“In a way, its unfair to Boras because, if any of you think Arod wasn’t involved in how they were going to opt out, you are insanely naive as to how the process works.”
i agree that alex is not innocent here, but i think there does exist the possibility that Boras PROMISED Alex that the Yankees were bluffing.
and Alex trusts Boras. and why shouldn’t he? the contract he got him from Texas was a work of art. it was such a work of art that we are here today discussing him post opt-out. it was such a work of art that Texas will be paying him $3M/year for the next 3 years even AFTER opting out.
i still think this is a long shot, but i suppose it is possible that for the first time ever, Boras overplayed his hand.
Even if Boras is not in the room, nothing gets done without him.
Murph,
Or, Boras didn’t have a deal in place (or at a place Arod wants to play) and this is a way of working things out with the Yankees.
It wouldn’t shock me if the architect of this “plan” is Boras.
It would shock me if Arod fired him. That would shock me.
If you are Boras, either way, you win. If Arod goes back to the Yankees, you get your commission and a happy client (assuming he really wants to come back).
If he goes elsewhere, you drew the Yankees back in play, set the market, and you get a deal done somewhere else. Shady? Yes but, that’s the way its played at times.
The only way Boras loses is if he is fired. I just don’t see that happening.
“In theory, Alex could come to the Yankees and volunteer to eat the $21.3 million the Yankees are losing from Texas. In theory, aliens could land in Central Park as well.”
In theory…if Pete A. keeps making uneducated guesses about the Yankees someday he’ll get one right. In theory.
Holy smokes… Return of the Jedi, wait… that explains it all…. Boras is Alex’s real father. Scott has been trying to make it up to Alex for leaving years earlier by making him rich, but when he told Alex who he really was, right after the opt-out announcement, Alex freaked…
Darth Vader’s voice: “Alex, I’m your faaaaaather…”
This is true according to the hardball times.
migames,
One’s baseball agent is not always one’s agent for commercial endorsements.
In Arod’s case, I believe Boras handles both. But, more and more players are signing with entertainment agencies, such as William Morris, for commerical opportunities.
Joe
The huge Nike/ARod billboard outside Penn station would tell me he’s at least somewhat marketable.
I don’t care about any of the scenarios, etc…..If we acquire ARod which costs us no prospects, we should have all the ammo we need to take a shot at Johan as well.
I do not worry about the PR hit. I truly do not want him back. I truly believe he is a cancer and never makes his teams better…..
I am aware of the Yankee pitching issues over the last few years but t hey could have been overcome if some of the hitters produced… yeah I am also aware that jeter and others had a bad series against the indians…
arod again has 1 hit with men in scoring position in his last over 50 AB’s on the playoffs… THAT STAT IS HARD TO DO, MARK LEMKE COULD NOT EVEN BE THAT INEPT.
For the dreamers that think if Arod came back and did a mea culpa all would be right, DREAM ON.. He would cause some other issue and this cycle will never end and I believe it adds to the team tightness etc.
I for one what the yanks for once to not be the big bad overpaid yankees and would love if someone else got the headlines and the yanks actually could concentrate on baseball. I actually like the game and hate the drama..
if afraud did not like the drama he would simply not need or want to be the highest paid player in the game but of course his ego and narcism would never allow that..
game 4 they gave up 6 runs not 16….game 2 they gave up 2 runs not 12,, wang sucked for sure but the offfense went on vaction for the 4th yr. in a row…
raymagnetic,
I believe it. After all what Gammons says is gospel. What has he said on these backdoor negotiations? lol.
MURPHYDOG - YESSS!!!!!!!
if you are close to 30 years old, everything always makes more sense if you speak in terms of Starwars…
I still have serious doubts that ARod wants to play here. If he did, all he had to do was talk to the ownership. A conversation, that’s it. He didn’t even return a call. I think he’s not getting what he wants on the open market and knows he need to engage the Yankees to get Boston involved.
why has this leaked? man, what a story. If true or not, whatever the purpose of all of this is, it will be great to find out in a 20 years when Arod writes his autobiography: I, Me, Mine….I kid, george harrison already wrote that one. But man, this is exciting
SJ:
I don’t see Boras being fired either.
In the cold light of day, they tried a huge gambit,went for the Big Con and failed. It’s hardly malpractice for Scott to suggest that they should have tried. It was unpopular, but not below the standard of care owed to a client.
For all we know he is still counseling A-Rod to hold out, that they could still pull it off. So A-Rod got cold feet? In that case Boras has to let him do whatever Rod thinks is right, even if it goes against his advice. In the end, the client always has the final say. Changing course is not the same as firing Boras.
It’s funny, if this happens it’s the inverse of the old saying that everybody has his price. By seeking this much money (flying too close to the sun?), A-Rod’s reach finally exceeded his grasp.
Stuart - you are 100 percent right about the past 3-4 years in the playoffs, a-rod has stunk..
But before this year - he was considered completely un-clutch … He was our best regular season player.. He beat the sox with a homer off papelbon - i almost knocked my chair over when that happened…
Maybe this year is the year he deals with his recent post season demons…
Stuart
Ego aside, if you were the best at what you did wouldn’t you expect to be compensated for it? Capitalism at it’s finest.
I’m not sure the Yanks and A-Rod will find common ground but I look forward to your rant if they do.
Mel,stuart- I agree with both of you. The bottom line is they misread the market and he is crawling back like a dog. I know the arguement is he is an m.v.p. and we are better with him than without. But I dont believe for once that fans and teamates will forget the low class act he has shown in the past couple weeks.
It was a breath of fresh air when he opted out and we didnt have the Im bigger than the team act. Jeter sounded like he was more happy than sad that he was off the team. We have been in the same spot with him than withoug him in the past 7 years. No world series rings.
Dont tell me that we wouldnt have won 90+games if it wasnt for him. You have no idea who would have been at his spot and at first base with the money and situation at the time. I can guarantee you it wouldnt have been Phillips and Cairo.
Bottom line is he showed his true colors. He doesnt love N.Y., the Yankees or his teamates. He Loves money and being the top paid Dog out there. We are better off in the long haul without his drama and self centered self.
KEEP THE DOG OUT!!!
NEW YORK YANKEES ARE BIGGER THAN ANY PLAYER. Especially a FRAUD.
El Comaduce:
I passed 30 so long ago it hurts just to think about it. (The good thing is I don’t remember so much anymore).
Pete picked a good time for a vacation. With these kind of rumors, the blog comments will take care of themselves.
Pat I am not a communist so yes get paid what you can I personally have never turned down a raise but when is enough enough?????
Afraud will literally in baseball money alone not endorsements make over $500 mill in his career. That is OBSCENE…..
Who is the 2nd highest paid player???/No one cares… If afraud was the 2nd highest paid 1/2 the baggage would og away the rest would go away if he never talked and sputed his cliche BS that no one believes because he does not even believe it.
Celizic had a good article on the arod divorce onMSNBC when he opted out, really all sides are better off if he moves on he can lose and be beloved for the CUbs he should go there…
Also again why has afraud not spoken publicly in weeks??????????????He has to be told what to say or spin his utter greed and arrogance…….
Perhaps we could help things along by starting a rumor that Scott Boras has put gerbil up his tuckus - ala Curb your enthusiasm…
This would force a-rod to have to distance himself from boras resulting in this situation getting decided..
A-Rod opts out, then maybe opts back in and Pete’s taking off until Dec 2? I think we may see another star playa changing his mind.
From the random thought department:
1) Wouldn’t be surprised if this is Boras’ “Plan B”.. “Alex, you lay low and let me see what’s out there; we’re pretty sure we can get you $300M, but if we can’t then you take the point, I’ll go under the bus, the important thing is we get the coin.”
2) Boras’ Boras Corporation handles player contracts; Boras’ Impact Marketing handles endorsement deals.
3) No Mariano yet, as we’re seeing the same “edge” that Jorge has for the organization. I’m hearing that Mo is waiting for Jorge’s official announcement, or something close to it before he commits (and no, he’s not going anywhere else… he “gets” the legacy part).
4) Pettitte is waiting for Posada and Mo to re-up. That was always the plan. Hasn’t changed.
stuart if you think that a man making as much money as he possibly can legally is obscene you are in the wrong country my friend.
You better get what you can in this capitalistic society.
fun topic:
http://www.borascorp.com/home/
asks for a user name and password… i wonder what a-rods username and password is…
LET THE COMMENTS FLY
My favorite part of this situation is that I think Boston will ultimately stay away from A-Rod because Epstein knows everyone in that clubhouse hates A-Rod’s guts, and therefore signing him would destroy the team.
That being said, I’d feel more comfortable if Boston re-signed Lowell because it would just about guarantee that they won’t sign A-Rod.
Crazy to take Arod back. Only way is if we lowball him and he has no other option. I hope the other clubs dont cave to his demands.
“Bottom line is he showed his true colors. He doesnt love N.Y., the Yankees or his teamates. He Loves money and being the top paid Dog out there. ”
i guess we should stop rooting for every player that loves money. that would leave….
or every player that has ever changed teams, b/c that means they didn’t love their teammates.
welcome to modern sports in the FA era.
54 HRs is not enough. he has to LOVE ME too!1!1!!!
give me a break. NY fans are getting a little full of themselves.