A-Rod goes to the movies
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- November
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Over the years, Alex Rodriguez has said several times that “Wall Street” is his favorite movie. That always raises the requisite snickers, of course. Greed is good, right A-Rod?
But when you think about it, A-Rod had his Bud Fox moment yesterday.
He turned on Gordon Gekko (Scott Boras) and took the tough-love advice of Carl Fox (Hank Steinbrenner) after all. In the end, he couldn’t turn on the Yankees. Or Blue Star Airlines.
All that we need now is for Boras to punch out A-Rod in a rainy Central Park while Alex is wearing a wire to record the whole thing for the Mitchell Investigation.
Can’t you see it?
“Sandbagged me on the Yankees, huh? I guess you think you taught the teacher a lesson, that the tail can wag the dog. … I opened the doors for you … showed you how the system works… the value of information… how to get it! Seattle Mariners, Texas Rangers and this is how you pay me back you cockroach!”
But in the end, Alex realized that as much as he wanted to be Scott Boras, he’ll always be Alex Rodriguez.
Call Oliver Stone, he has to make a movie about this.
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I dont know if it will happen but if Arod fires Borus I’d be very happy.
I’d be thrilled if we signed Lowell for 1B. He’s a guy who could start at 1B, 3B and DH. Also after this year when Giambi becomes a FA there aren’t many good choices out there who will be FAs. It seems that besides Teixeira, Lowell would be the best 1B available. Plus we know Lowell can play in this market and he’s a proven Champ and team player. He’d bring another right handed bat to our lineup and when it comes to Teixeira I love watching him and I wouldnt be mad with him on my team by any means but he and Giambi are so similair that he scares me. He’s gonna sign a multi year worth a boat load of money that will be similair if not bigger than the deal Giambi got to come here. Whose to say if his body will hold up or if he’s break down like Giambi? At least we’d know Lowell is a relatively short term deal with a 4-5 year deal and a contract like that would be much easier to trade than a monster deal a guy like Teixeira would get, if we could even sign him. After Teixeira the FAs are not good. Lowell’s splits are bad but he’s a suport player who I think could thrive as the fifth or sixth star on the team. People need to remember that although he seems like he was made to play with the green monster that he was a successful player without it and incase anyone forgets our main rival who looks like they’ll be good for years to come is Boston so even if Lowell was only dominant when we play them he’d be worth it if he helped us pick up those wins. Remember, we score a lot of runs regaurdless. Lowell would more bring us defense and stability which we havent really had since Tino left and Mattingly before him.
Next years first baseman choices via FA:
- Mark Teixiera
- Richie Sexson
- Carlos Delgado
- Nomar Garciaparra
- Ben Broussard
Those are the okay ones. Lowell seems like a nice alternative to them. The only downside is we’d give up our #28 pick to Boston by signing Lowell but I honestly think it would be worth it.
Great, Pete! Have a really nice time on vacation, you deserve it. Where are you, by the way?
Now all we need is a Hughes, Melky and Tabata for Johan deal.
funny post. enjoy your vacation, dude.
Why in the world would anyone want Mike Lowell to play 1B?
Makes no sense and Cashman isn’t stupid enough to actually pull the trigger on such a moronic move.
Yeah it’s definitely time for your vacation to start.
Mo is beginning to sound like Gordon Gekko:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7450914?MSNHPHMA
There is a reason why Mariano Rivera has not accepted the Yankees’ offer of a three-year, $45-million contract.
Rivera, according to major-league sources, wants a fourth guaranteed year.
The Yankees remain the overwhelming favorite to retain Rivera. No other club is expected to even approach their proposal, much less top it.
But Rivera, who turns 38 on Nov. 29, has instructed his agents to shop him, in part because he was angered by Hank Steinbrenner referring to his age in recent comments about the Yankees’ offer, a source says.
Rivera has specifically mentioned following Joe Torre to the Dodgers, and his agents also are contacting other clubs about his availability.
Rivera, sources say, believes he deserves the same length of contract as Yankees catcher Jorge Posada, who is on the verge of re-signing for $52.4 million over four years, and Mets closer Billy Wagner, who received $43 million over four years after the 2005 season. Posada and Wagner are both 36, nearly two years younger than Rivera — and Wagner was 34 when he signed with the Mets as a free agent.
Rivera also is certain to note that third baseman Alex Rodriguez would be 42 at the end of his proposed 10-year contract with the Yankees — the same age that Rivera would be at the conclusion of a four-year deal.
Rivera’s ERA rose to 3.15 last season after four straight years below 2.00, but he went 30-for-34 in save opportunities, regained his dominance in September and worked 4 2/3 scoreless innings against the Indians in the postseason.
Matrk Teixeira is the cream of the crop of first baseman. Next to Albert Pujols, of course. Tex is way way way better than Lowell. And Tex is a gold-glover at the position as well.
Ben Broussard isn’t a bad secondary option though.
They do not need Lowell at first base. That is beyond stupid. It’s just a ploy to harass Boston into giving Lowell a bad contract.
WE DO NOT NEED MIKE LOWELL. THANK YOU
“Great, Pete! Have a really nice time on vacation, you deserve it. Where are you, by the way?”
STALKER ALERT!
Hey, guys,
Pete had it 100% right. He said all summer that A-Rod needs the Yankees and the Yankees need A-Rod and so they’ll negotiate to keep him here long term.
Nobody, not even Cashman, knew that Boras was going to opt out without even meeting with the Yankees, so how can you criticize Pete for not knowing it?
If he wants 4 years, offer him 4 years, $45M
If he doesn’t want 3 years $45M, the Yankees would be better off without him - this contract wasn’t about how much he was worth, but about rewarding a long-time player with a contract to take him to retirement (and to be able to attract free agents in the future (by how we treat our own)).
Blue Horseshoe Loves 13 at 3rd
also Larry Luccino is Sir Larry Wildman.
Boras the great, hah nothing but a greenmailing pirate!
LMAO
Mo, come on, sign already.
Wow, how did Mo get to 4 years when he was saying last spring he only wanted 2…
i hate the steinbrenner sons so much. i can’t believe i’m going to have to read quotes by these idiots for the next few decades
Annie Savoy (on the last thread),
“Let him go to the Dodgers where he can be a ‘celebrity’ and act like one. The National Enquirer will love following him around to all his ‘activities’ both on and off the field.”
Well, I almost feel this is a little unfair, as everybody else has already been (rightly) piling on your comments. However, it should be obvious that if the National Inquirer was around when the Babe played, there would have been plenty of notable headlines then as well (not to mention how Mick would have been ‘exposed’ if there had been no code of silence in regard to players ‘extra curricular activities’ in the 50’s/60’s.) But do we, as ‘real Yankee fans’ think today any less of the Babe or the Mick? None of these guys, A-Rod included, has killed anybody, beaten any wives (that we know of!) or otherwise used violence of any kind on any innoncent people. Their private lives should really be a matter between themselves and their spouses and not fodder for ‘yellow journalism.’ Alas, that is the world we live in, but that doesn’t make it right.
I wouldnt be suprised if HBO or something did a movie about the underlinings of deals like this like they did in “The Late Shift”
Oh Pete. Why? I love how the media is deeming this as A-Rod crawling. It tickles me pink. He got 25 million more than the Yanks were offering before the opt out. He, A-ROD, won
if AROD fired Boras, he would make major headway with the fans…now if he could stop the bushleague bitchslappin stuff - we’d be so proud! I could care less about his “affairs of the strippers”, that doesn’t bother me much.
you can’t offer him an extra year without changing the money, that’s insulting and lets him you know either don’t care if he signs or that you think he’s a moron.
Maybe you reduce the annual, but you don’t give him the same money for more years. MAYBE, you go 4 years, 48M to go up but not a lot… but I don’t even know about that.
Man, 4 years is a lot for a guy who’s been defying his age for several years already. Eventually, something’s got to give. 4 years?? Seems like 1 or 2 too many, at least to many to gaurantee.
I think it’s foolish for any of us to assume Boras is being sat in the corner or anywhere near fired. I also think it’s foolish to think A-Rod did this on his own. I would be more surprised if this wasn’t Boras’ idea - they weren’t getting a better deal anywhere else, he knew they needed to come back to NY, and knew the best way to do it was for A-Rod to eat a little $270M laced crow, and Boras to look like the prick everyone already thought he was.
Yanks need to up their offer and give Rivera the fourth year, if only to ensure that Joba is in the starting rotation next season.
In the meantime, it’s nice to have A-Rod’s offensive production back, but am I alone in wishing that the Yanks had held firm and told him to shove it? I’m still not convinced this team will every win a championship with A-Rod. Unless, of course, A-Rod magically becomes a team guy and loses his ridiculous self-obsession sometime soon…Then maybe there’s a chance…
Another analogy that I heard this morning on ESPN Radio that I thought was genius was yesterday was Arod’s Bar Mitzvah Day. You know today I become a man.
Mo wants a 4th year wow that surprises me. This is someone who yes is the best relief pitcher of all time. yes is a TRUE Yankee and without him those 4 world series probably would not have happened BUT 42 year old relief pitcher who has had arm problems in the past getting 15 mill which is way anove market valuiie not sure I go that route.
Fred - in response to your comments, you make it seem that Boras opted out of his contract without telling A-Rod. C’mon, that’s not true. And second, once he left, Pete insisted that he was never coming back and that they would never negotiate with him. That’s not true as well. And then he insists that A-Rod has spurned Boras. That’s CLEARLY not true. Tell me again how he has it 100% right?
Chris NY,
I agree it’s either 45/3 or 48/4. If we give in on the years, he has to come down on the per annual. If he wants the money and thinks he can still be a top closer in 4 years, then take the 45/3 and get top $ in his next contract.
Besides curmudgeony is a sign of age. Either that or he’s menopausal.
Pete…great post!!!
Hank, Hal, and Brian got what they wanted and filled a vital need: superior power, RH bat and an average to above-average defensive 3B while still getting the Texas money in the form of a discount. They didn’t have to give up any prospects nor give up any draft picks to get him.
Pete -
Great movie tie in… I guess you could say that Alex looked into the abyss, and nothing was staring back
Maybe Alex did find his character
My favorite quote from Lou in Wall Street:
“The main thing about money, Bud, is that it makes you do things you don’t want to do.”
A bit of trivia: Lou (Hal Holbrook’s character) is based on Stone’s late father - who was also a stockbroker
I’m sure the Yanks didn’t want to give Posada a fourth year, either, but eventually they caved. Obviously, Rivera is thinking, “If they did it for Jorge then they damn well better do it for me!”. And who can really blame him?
I wish everyone would stop bagging on Rivera. Lets see how this all plays out. In the end, if he signs with the Yankees, who cares how much they pay him? He stays in ridiculous shape and will still be an above average pitcher in his 40’s. Our bullpen is horrible and he is the only reliable reliever we have. There is no one available on the market who is even close to him. And dont say Joba, because if we move Joba to the closer we make the rotation weaker. if Mo leaves, then we can all rip him a new one. Until that happens, let the man get what he can.
The difference between Posada and Mo is that Posada can move to another position, become the DH etc. Mo if he doesnt pitch that’s it.
Post of the year, Pete!
Although you left out the best part of that rant, which in this case would go as follows:
“I gave you your manhood, I gave you Cynthia, I gave you everything!”
Don’t worry about winning a championship with A-Rod on board.
Mattingly was the curse. He’s gone now.
Can someone explain to me how the yankees ended up getting arod for less? We origially offered him 8yrs 232 mil. Now its at 10 years 275. What am I missing. Please enlighten me. I havnt been able to sleep knowing we probably got screwed on this deal. I am not looking forward to seeing a 42 year old A S.S.I. ROD.
Boras took quite the bashing in today’s papers…I wonder how this is affecting his other clients?
Hey,
I was very upset with the A-Rod situation and all and I even said that I didn’t want him back but even though he is making crazy money doesn’t mean he can’t be a victim and it seems he is a Scott Borasss victim…He’s just a rich victim I’m glad he’s coming back and the fans will love him because he’s dammmmm gooooood !!!!!!!
Its a good deal for the next few years. Once he hits 40 though, he might become a liability. At any rate, its the Yankees, so wasted money doesnt matter as much. If there are just too many problems, im sure Cashman can find some adequate trade, as long as we eat most of the money.
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3111624&name=olney_buster&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2findex%3fentryID%3d3111624%26name%3dolney_buster
Free insider edition of Olney’s blog. About none other than Alex Rodriguez. Links to ALL the articles and some tidbits & rumors at the bottom.
Funniest thing? He calls out his pal Gammons for dumping on Alex.
“The difference between Posada and Mo is that Posada can move to another position, become the DH etc. Mo if he doesnt pitch that’s it.”
It’s been said that Mo’s the best BP outfielder on the team.
232/8 = 29m/yr
275/10 = 27.5m/yr
What will be real interesting is if there are any opt out or escalator clauses in the new deal, as there were in the old one. If not, there is more value given up that would have been there is an extension was signed.
pat…not only is he the best BP OF on the team…he’s also a heck of a shortstop. He’s one of the few pitchers on the team that relishes the chance to jump in and take grounders from Bowa/Pena/Mattingly. And he’s pretty good at it.
What the Yanks were going to offer Arod before he opted out was a 5 yr 150 mil extension. But sources have said that they were willing to add 2 more years to their offer. The original offer was just their starting point. So when you take that into account, they’re going to get him for less than if he took the extension before he opted out.
Mo is outta his mind. Let him shop around….remember a 3B can DH in the AL….a broken down closer can do NOTHING for us other than stink it up….How many 42 year old closers are out there making 15mil a year ??? ( insert cricket noise here )….Until Mo signs,,,,he is the new A-Rod….WAKE UP DUDE !…You are being given 45mil to CLOSE BASEBALL GAMES for what will likely be the last 3 years of an awesome career and the Yankees are WAY OVERPAYING you for those last 3 years….if that is not good enuff for you…don’t let the door hit you in the @$$ !….adios….nice to have known ya, Mister Greedy Man Pouting Man….Throw your temper tantrum while you are WALKIN’ !!!
After looking like we might be looking younger for the future, these last signings make it feel like weve taken a step backwards. Signing Posada till hes 40, Alex 42, Lowell 39, Mo 40. I can only immagine what were going to look like in a couple of years. Yanks need to stop thinking with thier hearts and think with their heads. We look like were going fill the field with a bunch of old timers in a few.
Sorry for being negative today but im not liking these extra years that they are tacking on. It probably wont effect us this year or next, but for sure after. Does anyone feel the same way? Thoughts?
Give Mo what he wants…………who cares if he will be grossly over paid like the rest of the Yankees……If anyone deserves $$$$$ it’s Mo. He is being paid for the future as well as what he brought the Yankees the last 13 yrs-CHAMPIONSHIPS
Stop all this madness. ARod is now our savior and he is a saint for leaving money on the table? He is his own man now and Boras is the bad guy? Give me a break. I would rather have a cone play third for us next year. ARod is not “leaving money on the table.” He tested the market and no one would give him more than the Yankees offered. Boras must have miscalculated. ARod told him to fix the problem which would mean to get the Yanks to make their offer again. Boras told him we need a third party to talk to the Yanks on your behalf since they wont talk to me.
Simple as that. Dont get me wrong…this is business…its all about money and I dont mind that. But I dont like ARod’s attitude or at least the attitude I perceive when I hear him speak or read about his actions.
I can only imagine plenty of his teammates were not happy to hear that this cancer has resurfaced.
So go ahead and cheer for him, I want the Yanks to win but I will never cheer for ARod. Now I have 10 years to suffer listening to how beautiful he is, how I dont like him because I am jealous of his greatness, or any new delusion he can come up with.
I just hope the Yanks concentrate on pitching specifically relief pitching, stop trying to get power hitters, get guys that work the count and get on base…the rest will take care of itself.
The yanks will eventually extend Jeter. That means we’re going to have two 40+ players making over 20 mil a year. There’s only 1 DH spot available on the team. Won’t be fun times.
Boras will be fine with his other clients. The Alex deal is just so outside the normal perameters of baseball. Boras shot for the stars, and Alex emergency-landed on the moon.
Boras will continue to get top dollar for his clients and the studs will keep lining up for his services.
S.O.S.,
I agree with your overall point. But Lowell will be 34 this season. so if they did sign him to a 4 yr deal (and I hope they dont) he will be 37 when the deal ends. Again, I agree with your point.
SoS
The bottom line is - without blue chip prospects ready to step in to replace these guys, the only alternative is to trade our young prospects for guys like Miguel Cabrera or Miguel Tejada
I’d rather keep the prospects - even if we end up with a couple of contracts that might be a year too long.
It is just money after all - and it buys time for the Tabatas, Jacksons, Cervellis, Monteros, and Vechionaccis to develop.
Cashman got a slightly later start in player development than Theo did - this buys a little more time for catchup.
If we do end up taking Lowell away, we weaken our rival, and force them to trade for a 1st or 3rd baseman. Lowell is also a solid hitter, and gives a lot of flexibility in the infield. (Give Alex a day off at 3rd, for example)
If not, we make Boston pay more for Lowell, and sign him for 4 years. Again… smart
That’s the thing about WASPs, Buddy boy…Love animals, hate people.
“All that we need now is for Boras to punch out A-Rod in a rainy
Central Park while Alex is wearing a wire to record the whole
thing for the Mitchell Investigation.”
Boras wouldn’t be able to punch out Arod, not if he’s simultaneously distracted by the aliens landing in central park.
OK, now Rivera wants 4 years?
I don’t know, that is a bit much for a closer who ain’t what he used to be. We got Posada locked up, about to have A-Rod locked up, and you gotta figure that Pettitte is still a possibility. If we get 3 of 4, it might be time to stop letting the price get driven up.
Tough call on Mo though. He is a true Yankee for sure. I’d give him three with a team option for the 4th with a 7.5 million buyout.
Chooch,
Great point. A DESPERATE was having all the doors slammed shut on him. What a coincidense he comes back after it was reported that wright was not switching positions, Angels are going after Cabrera, Cubs are for sale, Boston cant stand him, Dodgers cant stand Boras(drew situation), San Fran looking to sign Rowand for big money. Did I miss anyone?
Dont get me wrong, yes he is the best player in baseball and the best free agent. But to think that he came back cause he loved to play here or that he didnt like what Boras did is plain ignorant. He is a big boy with an ego bigger than anyone in the game. As he stated before, being the highest paid player in baseball is cool. There was no discounts. We bid against ourselve like we did in the Giambi deal. Hopefully he doesnt become a 30 mil pinch hitter at 40.
I will root for the uniform he wears, but not the person.
Why are people so sure there were no offers out there for A-Rod?
It was 2 days into free agency and he was already dealing with the Yankees for those 2 days. Waiting out the market, A-Rod would have gotten his money but it probably wouldn’t have happened until January. Once the Cabrera sweepstakes was done, everyone playing in it would have been in on A-Rod. A-Rod also had arbitration to fall back on and while it may have only been for 1 year, he would have gotten at least 28 million for 2008 and then the Yankees might have gotten involved anyhow to work out a longer deal.
Catching up here. I know you can’t believe everything you read in the papers but if the story on Mo is true, I think the Yankees need to walk away.
Glad they resigned Posada, but disagree with the 4th year. As for Mo, I know his resume but not for four years and age 41.
Curious though about professional athletes. You are offered a contract for 45 million, how much better off is your life for one more year at 15 million? Seriously, when is enough enough and it really becomes about greed.
Probably a stupid statement but it is really driving me nuts with these players and their agents. A guy with a family is happy to get a job after being laid off for a year, and these players are bitching about an extra year.
Beck,
Thank you, I forgot about Jeter. He will end up signing for a couple more years. Maybe they will re-up Abreu as well.
Dh
Monday arod
tuesday Posada
Wednsday Lowell
Thursday Jeter
Friday abreu
Sat start over.
I presented this question last week. If you gave me the choice to have a lost season in 08, but after that we would be competing for the championship from then on. I would bite the bullet and take the 08 loss. We keep forgetting that the 90’s teams were above average players and excellent PITCHING. Yes pitching is what we should be focused on. Not over paying for players who cant hit in the post season.
Now that I got all this off my chest I feel a little better. Hopefully Miller is really Cashman and he is reading this.
I’ve read a lot (but not all) of the posts the last 2 days, I’ve heard all the coverage on ESPN this morning with Buster Olney…
Why is it that this was Arod’s idea - to go behind the back of his big bad agent and meet with the Yankees.
Couldn’t his agent have put him upto this?? The agent was at the GM meetings, was working hard to get Arod in position for his payday. Perhaps the agent found out that it wasn’t going to work so told the player to go to the Yankees himself and work out the outline of a future deal and not involve his agent. Arod gets his payday, the agent gets his commission. They both win and the previous bad publicity be damned.
I think the Yankees caved here much more than they should have if the reports hold true. They gave him a raise to $27 million/year and added 2 more years than their original 8 year offer. At $25 million/year he is still 10-15% higher paid than anyone else has been in the past 5+ years. I don’t see where Arod gave back the $21 million from the Rangers - if he did, does that mean the Yanks were offering $300 million for those same 10 years??? That is INSANE!
The Yankees blinked first, suckered into thinking that Arod was going behind Boras back and then giving him more years and more money than they were going to prior to the opt-out. They got a better deal than what they had hoped for after all the bad press in the last month.
What was wrong in going with 8 years at $200 million. Prior to the opt out, I believe it was 8 years, $231m. Tell him he left money on the table by opting out and not even attempting to contact the Yanks. He still makes $25 mill/year and is still and always will be the highest paid player in the game. Yanks save 2 years and $75 million to spend elsewhere.
I’m sorry but if this is the deal, Arod got more than he could’ve hoped for and in my opinion, the Yanks are the ones who backtracked after all their posturing and shenanigans over the past month.
When Arod is 40, he will be approaching bonds record. At that point his values is more of a spectacle than production. You cannot put a value on that from a marketing standpoint. His off the field value could be off the charts…
BTW - you will know that the a-rod thing is done once you see his face on YES… it is amazing how quick they plucked his commercials out.
I agree with V, 100%. 4 years and $45m is quite a payday. I can’t believe he’d be upset at retiring a year early. What does he want, 4 and $50m? No other team would give him that. Seriously, I’d give him the 4th year, but not for a penny more than $45m.
If another team is willing to do this, good luck and God bless.
I stand by all of my earlier comments re: Rivera.
Alex wouldnt have had the stones to face the team or the fans if he accepted the arbitration. You think he heard the boos in the past. Immagine all the scritiny he would have recieved. I would immagine it would be like Bonds gets away from home. But as we know alex is a weeker individual than Bonds and would probably would have cried and folded like in the playoffs.It was either leave for good or act like it was all Boras’s fault. And act like your giving a hometown discount. I just dont think there were many teams that were ging to fork up that kind of money. My guess the team was Anaheim and they had a change of heart knowing that Cabrera was put on the market.
Pete — Will the aliens be landing in Central Park at the same time that Boras punches out A-Rod?
Chicago Dave,
I hope you know that Joba isn’t going to post a 0.47 as a starter.
And maybe a 10 year contract will make A-Rod more of a team guy. After all, he won’t be playing for a contract and his money is guaranteed. Think about it.
this year he WAS playing for a contract and he had his best year ever
Yesterday on espn they said it was 10 years 220. Im hoping that figure is more accurate. Iv heard 220,275,280,295 Can we drop the bidding a tad please.
OK all the geniuses that think we should sign Lowell… compare his stats at home, away and the stadium to see how this idea makes perfect sense. If you aren’t getting the slight hint of sarcasm you’re smarter than I assumed you were. Here’s a thought, having in mind how it went with Pedro and Damon, maybe just maybe we made that offer knowing there are other teams making an offer and ultimately knowing for sure that Lowell wouldn’t accept our offer(like he would choose us and switch positions or go with another team and stay at 3rd.) Why? Because we want to up the price on Lowell and make sure he gets out of Boston. Again, this is just a maybe.
I’d like to see JoPo catch for 3 years and then play 1B in his fourth and final year (2011). Then, in 2012, I’d like to see Alex move to first base to play out the rest of his contract. He’ll be 37, probably 235 lbs, and 1B will add years to his bat IMO. He’s too good of an athlete to just be a DH, even late in his career.
Sign A-Rod back? Great.
You know what? Sing Lowell if he’d be willing to convert to 1B. Then trade him with a couple back-of-the-rotation pitchers like Karstens (and cash) to the Twinkies for Santana, the Padres for Jake Peavy, or to Tampon Bay for Scott Kazmir, or to Florida for Miguel Cabrera if he’d willingly/successfully switch to 1B. If any such trade happens Lowell could still play 3B.
Or NY could offer to turn around & trade him back to Boston with a couple Karstens-level player/prospects for Jacoby Ellsbury and/or Buckholz, both of which they’d have to give up for a guy like Miguel Cabrera anyways. I realize Theo Epstein would never let that kind of a switcheroo trade happen, but it sure would be funny if it did. Badda-BING.
So now Rivera becomes a diva. People want to talk about Arod what about him. He is 38 years old and there is no way you can tell me another team would give him 4 years!! If he wants the 4 years I would tell him then my offer is 4/$48. You get $12m a year and you are still the highest paid closer. What a joke.
One more thing. Not only is he supposidly getting 10 years 275 but he also get incentives. Like 275 isnt enough. Next we’ll hear that he gets free plane trips for he and his family to Florida and free hair cuts with frosted tips.
In addition to signing A-Rod of course. Sorry I left that part out … thought it was implied enough.
How is it that so many think that Boras doesn’t take a big hit with this?
His golden boy saw the dark road he was put on by Boras, Boras mis-read the market (possibly - though there are plenty of people talking about how A-Rod could have gotten more in a deal with the Angel, Dodgers whatever) and he totally forgot that the client’s image is meant to be polished by the agent, not dragged through the mud and cess pool.
Boras won’t have as many clients lining up for him with how bad A-Rod was made to look. Legacy means a lot to high caliber players. After a certain point the money doesn’t mean as much because it can’t all be spent anyway. It is only a status thing after it reaches the level that A-Rod is in. So, going along with the highest salary status, it gets diminished by the postures and actions that are RECOMMENDED to the client by the agent. Reputation is tatters, greed over playing every thing else, villified for being a liar.
Someone who is supposed to be a savvy as Boras should have foreseen the damage to his client. We all did. Everyone here was jumping on him big time in minutes, how does the great Boras not see that reaction coming?
Boras takes a big hit. No matter how you spin it, even with the % he gets from A-Rod, the actions he did cost A-Rod his image. That is something that take years and a lot of effort to build up when it gets over shadowed by the money he makes. How would younger players look at this? I doubt they would mind the money. However, many agents out there are getting very snazzy deals for their clients. Just look at the over paid value of Jorge. Yet Jorge looks golden, image intact.
That also costs in merchandise sales, advertizing deals, sponserships, the list goes on.
Boras blew this one, and A-Rod, his client, had to bail himself out, lost money that could have been in his pocket, all because Boras crapped the bed with his projections, his reading of the market, his mis-reading of A-Rod’s desire and the blowing it on the call that the Yankees would back down.
Boras is the chump with all this, and it will cost him in new clients down the road.
“We origially offered him 8yrs 232 mil. Now its at 10 years 275. What am I missing”
what you are missing is that you have no idea what the yankees were willing to go up to before the opt out.
did you really think their initial offer was going to be their final offer?
the yankees made an offer. Boras was going to counter.
they’d meet in the middle. that’s called negotiating.
it’s not rocket science.
the Yankees were offering $29M/year. Boras wanted $35M/year.
maybe they would have met at $32M/year.
sounds like now it is $27M/year.
Amber,
LOL “diva”
El Comaduce,
I think that was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Think about it? When did Alex start making calls? Not after the opt-out fiasco, not when GM’s said, “Thanks, but no thanks”, not when he realized the market was bone-dry, when his stuff stopped selling. It’s when he realized that he wasn’t on YES or the Yankees official site!
Thanks Pete for starting a new post! That scroller thing was getting pretty small.
Lol… the only reason he is coming back is because nobody else offered the money, and in the end the Yankees will end up paying more than in first place… LOL 10 years…. good luck at that HA!… I wouldn’t be surprised if this is all controlled by Boras.
“The yanks will eventually extend Jeter. That means we’re going to have two 40+ players making over 20 mil a year. There’s only 1 DH spot available on the team. Won’t be fun times.”
well, if the choice was A-Rod or Jeter filling the DH role, i hope they’d choose A-Rod.
so, it sounds like they’ve made the right choice so far.
and jeter is not going to get $20M on his next contract. sorry, he’ll be 37. not going to happen.
wicketkey,
Pete was right because he understood the underlying economics. He was right because he rejected out of hand the New York Magazine “scoop” that A-Rod had a secret deal with another team.
He’s not a mind reader.
What makes us so sure that Posada will still have a good bat in his 4th year? He is losing his power and it will continue to go. He isnt getting any faster. He will be what Girardi was and what Molina is. A mentor and a backup.
As far as moving Alex to first in a couple of years. I like that idea alot. He would stay fresher and less wear and tear.
What float is Arod going to be on during the Thanksgiving day parade to announce his signing? Bank of America..? He can bring that rat Bor-ASS with him.
The tv crew on YES better get busy adding Arod back to the Yankeeography commericals. He was taken out and now he is back..but Torre is still out. That is so funny.
Amber,
Thank you. I almost wrote the “d” word in my rant earlier, but something held me back. It started with his little comments, heightened by his “I can always play for Torre”, and then the demand of a 4th year. I’m not all that opposed to a 4th year, but that $45M/3 year deal was one that any reliever would kill for. Can you imagine what Goose Gossage and Trevor Hoffman must be thinking right now?
Love you Mo, but please be reasonable.
“You know what? Sing Lowell if he’d be willing to convert to 1B. Then trade him with a couple back-of-the-rotation pitchers like Karstens (and cash) to the Twinkies for Santana, the Padres for Jake Peavy, or to Tampon Bay for Scott Kazmir, or to Florida for Miguel Cabrera if he’d willingly/successfully switch to 1B. If any such trade happens Lowell could still play 3B. ”
this is a joke, right? i’m 99% sure that it is, but i’m just checking.
SOS-
I never said Posada would have a good bat in 4 years. I think he’ll be .255, 14, 70.
No problem having Jorge be a back up in four years’ time, maybe tutoring Jesus Montero or one of the other catchers that they drafted this year. Hopefully, one of them turns into something. If we can afford to pay Giambi over $20M to sit on the bench and Pavano $40M to pitch ten games or whatever it was, then we can afford to pay Jorge.
Actually come to think of it, that might be closer to .235, 10, 50…
I love the guy but 4 years is a long ways away.
The difference is Jorge can be a dh in his 4th year. If Mo doesn’t hit 80 on his fastball in the 4th year where do you play him?
Would the Yankees be wrong to hold firm on a $45M/3yr offer? Could we live with the possibility of Mo going to LA?
Hmmmmmmm….I don’t think he / she is kidding….people always make lousy trade proposals and say “include” cash as if Karstens, “Cash”, and Lowell (who can’t be traded until June or July once signed) is fair compensation for Santana….if I’m the Twins, I’d rather take 2 draft picks.
An executive with some knowledge of Torii Hunter’s discussions predicts he will sign with Texas for six years and $90 million.
Can we now please end the Hunter to the Yanks speculation? 6 years of Hunter with Jackson and Tabata around the corner? No thank you.
sunny,
If we were as prospect-poor in the outfield (and didn’t have Melky as an adequate stop-gap) as we are in the infield, Hunter would be here in a New York minute. He’s absolutely obsessed with Yankee money. It always popped up in his interviews whenever we played against the Twins.
That being said, I’m looking forward to seeing Action Jackson in the Bronx.
Good. I did not want Hunter with all of our prospects in the wings.
Yes, Hmmm … it was a joke.
Just sign A-Rod and Git-R-Done. The rest was indeed supposed to be humor. Besides, Lowell would never agree to that.
Signing Lowell for first base would be a waste of money. The Yankees are simply driving up the price on the Red Sox.
However, if they actually do sign Lowell, it will probably signify their intent to trade Jason Giambi or Hideki Matsui. Talk about a log jam at 1B.
I save money and look for bullpen help. I think the Yankees need to demand an answer from Rivera within a week because if they don’t keep him, they should be all over Francisco Cordero or planning to throw Joba in as the closer, thus creating the need for a starter.
If Rivera is asking for 4 years at 15 per, the Yankees should walk away.
lalalala sorry couldn’t resist.
Don’t we have a first baseman that is 2-3 years away? Signing someone to a 4 year deal for first would be wrong, unless it is Tex.
What cash would we give the Twins anyway along with Karstens and Lowell and some other unnamed back of the rotation starters? I guess to cover Lowell’s contract? You know, on second thought, it’s not worth the brain cells to consider even talking about this retarded proposal.
“Besides, Lowell would never agree to that.”
Yes, that is the biggest hangup in that proposal. lol
I’d like to see Mo get an offer that even approaches what the Yankee offer is. No one will approach the $ much less the 4 years he wants. The Yankees should either A, hold firm to their offer or b. lower the money per year and add the 4th. Give him 4/45. There is your 4th year mo.
Dudes .. it was just a joke. To sign (not sing sorry) Lowell anyways to play 1B then trade him would never get done.
Ya, it is retarded if any of you think that KARSTENS is going to be a major bargaining chip for the Yankees if they try to deal for Santana.
Do any of you really REALIZE how much a team will have to give up for that guy in a trade? I’m not saying it wouldn’t be worth it, but stop already with the “let’s give them Melky and Karstens, that’s fair” because it is anything but fair.
If we got Lowell by accident, default, or design it would just mean we’d have a DH/bench with Matsui and Giambi. Not too shabby.
I’m hoping that Giambi is not too drunk to realize that this is his contract year. I’m hoping that he’ll show up in excellent shape and stays healthy.
I know there are a LOT of Matsui haters here, but he’s not going anywhere. He has a no-trade clause, he takes great pride in being a Yankee, and is important to the Japanese market. He also has some power, works hard, and does a great job as the Director of Entertainment in the clubhouse.
Yanks hot stove is on tonight. They must be happy that they didnt plan that show for Tues, or they would of had nothing to talk about. Maybe it was all planned this way. But they cant forget to add him back into the commercials.
Not sure if anybody read it, but Bobcat is confident (through his sources) that Mo is going to remain in pinstripes and that his holding out is partly due to the “edginess” of his character, much like Posada.
Jennifer,
I completely agree. The Yankees need to draw a line.
This money game is getting old. Guys are blatantly taking advantage of the Yankees’s deep pockets.
I love Rivera and everything he has done for NY, but he needs to realize that the offer he is getting is heads above what he is going to be offered elsewhere and having him until age 41 isn’t exactly the most enticing benefit.
Mo should talk to Alex about how quickly business interests in New York can suffer when you opt out. j/k.
“Dudes .. it was just a joke. To sign (not sing sorry) Lowell anyways to play 1B then trade him would never get done.”
i’m sorry for prompting the follow up pile on.
i was 99% sure it was a joke. had to make sure though.
Take this with a grain of salt, but on one of the Baltimore radio stations, not sure which one they are saying that the Yankees are making a push at Bedard. I live in the Baltimore area and my buddy just called to tell me….stay tuned.
that is the dumbest thing i have ever read.
PIGS DO FLY when it comes to covering yankees i guess
I think Hank’s comments on the negotiations were uncalled for, but Mo should get over it. He’ll be well-paid, be in a better position to win with the Yankees than with the Dodgers, finish as a career-Yankee, and, hopefully, he hasn’t forgotten us- the fans. I would hope that he, in some way, loves us the way we love him because he doesn’t seem to me like your typical self-centered professional athlete, but I guess I could be wrong about that.
Mo’s too proud and self-aware to continue pitching when he knows he’s no longer able to help the team. If he signs 4/53 and at the end of the 2010 season, if he feels that he was ineffective that year and not helping the Yankees, he’ll retire.
Jake, Mariano Rivera is not the Yankee with whom they should be drawing the line. Not for nothing, they “drew the line” with A-Rod and look what happened.
I’m more concerned about the Yankee front office losing all semblance of the class and dignity it used to have than whether Rivera comes back.
What do you mean dumbest?
I would take Bedard in a heartbeat, and I wouldn’t put it past Angelos to let Bedard go…
Its cool hmmm … sometimes the pile-on can be amusing too.
I think the Yanks are talking to Lowell now just to raise the price for there friends in Boston. Before they knew that Arod was coming back they probably figured they would rather have Lowell then have to trade 2 good prospects for someone else. But I dont think now that Arod is back they want him for 1st. I would much rather wait for Teixiera next year and jump all over him. He will definitely become a free agent because Bor-ASS is his agent and will not let him sign during the year and the Braves dont have enough money for him. Yanks are just doing there job helping Lowell so Boston gives him 4 years.
Not saying I believe it, but that’s what they are saying about Bedard.
so - do the yankees sign rivera to four years?
Is Mo (38 yrs old) asking for 4 because of posada (36 yrs old) and wagner (who was 34 when he signed a 4 yr contract) or because Mo really is angry with Hank the mouth Steinbrenner and the way he commented how old Rivera was?
I wouldn’t give Rivera 3 years, much less 4.
sunny: It’s Mo saying “you guys wouldn’t sign me then, so you’re gonna have to pay up now”
giambi will get the minimum a yr from now or retire he is a mess…
maraino at 3 yrs $45 mill is very very generous.. Mariano is being a mega pig..
$15 mill for a relief pitcher who is 38 yrs old!!!!!!!!Wagner who is not mariano got $11 mill a yr at 34 yrs old……If Mariano wants 4 yr $60 mill I hope he gets it somewhere else, I would be shocked if someone paid him that….
I can’t believe everyone is falling for the “ARod goes behind Boras’ back” story. Boras orchestrated this whole thing. He saw there wasn’t much interest at the GM meetings last week, and knew this was the only way ARod could return to the Yanks. And he still gets the last laugh because ARod will now be making more money per year than his last contract.
Call me ungrateful, but it’s times like this when 1997, 2001 and 2004 come to mind.
That’s one sure ring (2001) and two more potential rings blown.
According to Jeff from the Baltimore Sun:
Why the heck should the Yankees give Rivera 4 years when no other team (at least thus far) is even giving him 3 years? Not too long ago he wanted to only pitch for 2 more years now it’s 4? Odd!
I’m tired of the Yankees over paying for players. Why would should the best franchise in sports have to over pay for players to come. It’s not like we’re the KC Royals or the Rays such a bad franchise we have to over spend to get players to play here.
3years 45 million take it or leave it Rivera.
stuart, once you called everyone on this board who disagrees with you moron, idiots, and gays, whatever else you might say means nothing.
Yeah - but would you do that deal - 4 yrs for a 38 yr old reliever named Mariano Rivera?
sunny, where do you live in MD?
nope
I’m going to start a bandwagon. The “people who think Wilson Betemit should play 1B”.
Or how about “the people who think that Shelley Duncan could be our Richie Sexson”.
What do the Yankees do with these guys?!
Tell Mo that the offer will expire by tomorrow. Pull the offer and have him take a paycut when he comes back. Im tired of all these winers. He is being offered more than any closer in the game. Even though last year was subpar compared to his previous 3. Its a privalage to where the stripes. If he doesnt like it go where the winers go. L.A. and say hi to Mr.Sleepy for us.
Mo is one of the most decent guys in the GAme.
No reason to refer to him that way!
MIGAMES - you left out “retards”….
Italiano - Fredneck.
How about Rolen at first. Less wear and tear playing first, has a good glove and can be had for less prospects and will cost less than Lowell.
LOL, I live in Eldersburg.
Now that this is over can some of you please stop typing bor-ASS, it really isnt that clever
Migames I never said gay. but for you moron is appropriate….
sunny,
I think that is the idea, yes.
Rivera sees Posada and Wagner signing these deals (even though they are younger…duh) and expects the same.
3 at 15 per is ridiculous as it is. Adding a fourth year is fine as long as it doesn’t exceed 45 million.
I wonder if Mo feels disrespected… The one thing that really irked me was when Cash said “we dont negotiate with players in season” and then a month later was trying to talk to A-Rod.
Ken Rosenthal has also said, in the past days:
He said that arod’s deal was not gonna happen as late as yesterday:
“The Yankees can avoid Boras only if Rodriguez fires the agent and chooses either to represent himself or pick another representative.”
He also said that Arod had another dear in place:
“The deal is done. Or darn near close to it.
I don’t know the team. I don’t know the terms. But I know this much: There is no way Alex Rodriguez would have opted out of his contract with the Yankees unless he and his agent, Scott Boras, knew they had a bigger score coming.”
“Migames I never said gay. but for you moron is appropriate….”
We need a referee!
“There is no way Alex Rodriguez would have opted out of his contract with the Yankees unless he and his agent, Scott Boras, knew they had a bigger score coming.”
unless Boras has King Kong size n*tz
hmmmmm - you are a tool!
If Mo was on Boston there offer would be 1 year with an option or 2 at the most. They would never give him 3 years and definitely not 4. I think players see that Boston does have a limit and dont go over it, I am sure Lowell will take the 3 years from them if he really wants to be there. Mo is just trying to milk out whatever he can from the Yanks because he knows that he will most likely get it because players know they dont have a limit. Yanks need to start having one.
hope you’re not commuting into DC from there!
Actually, according to Cash (from what I remember) they Yankees were never going to talk mid-season about extending Arod. If I recall, they were interested in signing an extension with him after the season, but it was mis-informed as “right now” instead of “after the season.”
Ken Rosenthal is a bigger jackass than Tim McCarver. Complete hack sucking up all the wire feeds via AP and ESPN. Nothing original in his brain, which he rented from the Scarecrow.
nah, I work at Ft. Meade.
stuart
November 15th, 2007 at 1:46 pm
Migames I never said gay. but for you moron is appropriate….
Yesterday Stewie said:
How many of you losers just want to date afraud!!!!!!!!!!
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Unless we are all women that post here or we are, in a word, gay, as you described us.
Go home son
lucky dog… I commute to Northern VA.
SoS… in our dreams
“lucky dog… I commute to Northern VA.”
Ouch…
Italian: I’m surprised you can get to the blog from Meade. Over at Ft. Detrick, it is blocked.
Now that Arod is back and Mo looks good, the team obviously needs to focus on pitching. I doubt there’s enough to ‘out prospect’ the LA teams, especially after Cabrera goes to one of them. What would it take to get Haren? Maybe Melky and Horne? Maybe you’d have to add Sanchez?
Mo is a done deal? I didn’t read that anywhere yet… Did he sign on the dotted line?
Mo should sign already. 3 yrs $39 million, then Yankees up the contract to 3 yrs $45 million and he still hasn’t signed. What is he waiting for?! The Yankees should withdraw their offer.
The Yanks 3 year, $15M/yr., $45M offer to Mo is more than fair. If he doesn’t accept it, someone has to close and it can’t be Joba Chamberlain. I’d offer Francisco Cordero, a younger, better closer than Rivera, 3 years @ $11M/yr. ($250K > Billy Wagner’s 2007 salary making him the highest paid reliever in M.L.B.) = $33M and I bet he takes it in a heartbeat considering $11M for 2008 is more than double his 2007 salary of $5.425M. If the Yanks signed him, all Mo would have is Milwaukee (Cordero’s old team), Houston (who traded their closer Lidge to Philly), and Atlanta (if they don’t re-sign Wickman). I seriously doubt any of these three teams would offer Mo anything close to $15M/yr. or $45M total -they may not even offer him 3 years and if they don’t what’s he gonna do?
Boston has Paplebon. Toronto has Ryan. Tampa Bay has Reyes and can’t afford Mo anyway. Baltimore has Ray, needs to keep Bedard, and has to get a closer far cheaper than Mo to hold it down until Ray returns thus can’t afford Mo. Cleveland has Borowski and needs to keep Sabathia thus can’t afford Mo. Detroit has Jones. Kansas City has Soria and can’t afford Mo. The Chi-Sox have Jenks and need offense thus can’t afford Mo. Minnesota has Nathan and needs offense thus can’t afford Mo. The Angels have K-Rod and need another big bat besides Vlad thus can’t afford Mo. Oakland has Street and can’t afford Mo. Seattle has Putz. Texas has Benoit/ Wilson and needs offense and starting pitching thus can’t afford Mo. The Mets have Wagner. Philly has Lidge. Florida has Gregg and can’t afford Mo anyway. D.C. has Chad Cordero and can’t afford him anyway. The Dodgers have Saito.
Arizona has Valverde. Colorado has Fuentes. San Francisco has Hennessey and needs at least 3 hitters. San Diego has Hoffman if they haven’t re-signed him. St.Louis has Isringhausen. Cincinatti has Weathers. Chicago has Dempster/ Howry. Pittsburgh has Capps.
If Mo wants to close meaningless games for lousy Houston, close for Milwaukee and battle the Cubs, Cardinals, etc., or close for Atlanta and battle with the Mets and Phillies, fine. He won’t be the closer for Boston, Toronto, Detroit,
Cleveland, Chicago, Minnesota, the Angels, Oakland, or Seattle, so who cares where he goes in the A.L. outside of them or in the N.L?
Mo is not as image-conscience as Alex, so he won’t give a spit about what he’ll look like after walking away from a $45/3yr deal.
I’d sign Kerry Wood and Ron Mahay.
didn’t mo say he’d pitch for the dodgers?
OK this is bent.
A day before free agents were free, someone posted that the Yanks should cave in and give A-Rod what he wanted. Others were posting this-and-that trade. Others wanted the team to sign Mike Lowell. I said I’d Lowell to play 3B because NY wouldn’t lose young players in a trade. I also said the only way A-Rod could be accepted back is to take the Yanks offer, multiply the annual salary out to whatever length they could agree on, then subtract the Texas money. I also said this would never happen, so they should sign Lowell to take his place. I’d never have expected that a few days later taht’s what’d essentially be happening.
Earlier in this thread, maybe a little more than half an hour ago, I was joking about still signing Lowell to play 1B then trading him for what amounts to a handful of laughable trades. Lowell would never switch to 1B to play for NY, especially with A-Rod coming back, so I thought it would be a neat joke about both sticking it to the Sox and some of the far-flung trade scenarios we read about here. OK I was bored.
I did not see this article until a couple minutes ago:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3111752
As great as Mo has been, I don’t think he is worth 4 years.
If this is his position.
sunny,
Yes. And Torre said anyone would be crazy not to take him. Other guys would be honored to give way to him or something like that.
so is mo going to sign a 3 yr deal or wait out a 4 yr one? If he does that, I’d lean towards letting him go to the dodgers.
Sign Kerry Wood, Mahay, and/or trade for Fuentes.
Rivera said he would play for the Dodgers.
“hmmmmm - you are a tool!”
at least i don’t think Andy Phillips is a good player.
are any of our minor leaguers ready for the full time role? Cox, Melancon, or any others?
Another thing:
The Yanks rewarded Mo for his 1995-2000 with a then-record 4 year $39.95M contract after 2000 then gave him a 3-year extension after Boston made him their bitch (which he has been since the 2004 A.L.C.S.) and offered him the most lucrative three-year contract for a reliever in M.L.B. history including a record annual salary for a reliever (3 years, $15M/yr., $45M) after that. He made $10.5M this season, only $250K
sunny, from what I understand, we have arms that could be ready as early as June, but I think it would be a stretch, Joba aside, to expect any of the younger arms to step in immediately.
Hilarious. This post is fodder for a college professor. I think it’s time to get back to your vacation Pete.
I know it is a mute point since Jorge is back. But I wonder if anyone wanting the Rockies catcher actually looked at his ba and splits.
well crap… wonder what Beane wants for Street.
Got cut off there. Basically, the Yanks have given Mo top dollar and respect three times (2001-05 contract, 2005-08 extension, 2008-11 record extension incl. record yearly salary for a reliever). They are not showing disrespect towards him at all. Hank’s a blunt guy, so what? It worked with A-Rod. Mo is fourth and last on the totem pole as important guys to bring back like this: A-Rod/ Posada/ Pettitte/ Rivera.
If a record 3 year, $15M/yr., $45M contract incl. a record annual salary for a reliever when you’re not what you were
through 2006 isn’t enough, go pitch for Torre if the Dodgers want to replace Saito with you. Enjoy entering the Hall Of Fame as a Yankee but without your number retired or a Mariano Rivera Day since you wanted to leave the Yankees an mercenary ingrate. Or enjoy waiting to have your number retired and day for 10-15 years after you retire and trust me, you’ll care.
Read my post from 2:16 … just a few minutes ago:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3111752
Mo will return, if not we can use the draft picks.
Too often we see that young arms come up and while they show some promise, can’t deliver up to the hype created about them.
Wouldn’t it make some sense to underplay their value and skills? This would not hurt trade deals, as they are scouted anyway, but it wouldn’t create unhealthy expectations of young arms.
Migames I meant it like a joke because you guys are in awe of the great arod and his stats…
If I wanted to say you were gay I would use the word gay.. You guys look at everything like fantasy sports and look at #’s alone.. Hey maybe afraud can go only 30 AB’s before his next postseason RBI!!!!!!!
Migames do I think you are clueless and throw millions of dollars around like it is a game? Yup I am guilty as charged….
Now we have the Mariano disrespected nonsense.. Yeah Mariano has been disrespected about $90 million dolaars worth in his career and they Yankees are giving him if he will take it at a minimum $4 million a year in severance/guilt overpayment….
at least for posada we could rationalize it because the catchers around stink and the yanks have no internal short term solutions but Mariano has lost his mind… Maddog says mariano should go to the cubs for $4 yr 60 mill.. That would be a great contract, getting $15 mill at 41 and 42 yrs old… Mariano has been very very good since 1996!!!!!!!!!!
Is someone offers Mo 4 years, let him walk. It pains me to say that, but I also don’t believe that anyone will do it.
Jennifer, no disrespect intended, but it isn’t mute it MOOT.
Its just one of those things that drive me crazy.
And is anyone else the least bit annoyed that the media is running to Joe T to see what he thinks about the Yankees moves. Um Joe is no longer the manager therefore his opion no longer matters, nor do I care what he thinks. When we start the season 20-4 are they going to run to him to see what he thinks of the Yankees hot start?
Sorry
thanks for the English lesson 
Torrealba agrees to terms with the Mets. Where will poor Lo Duca go?
Please stuart, explain to me what arod has done?
He switched positions
he realized he made a mistake, came back to the yankees, on the yankees term and signed the same deal he was offered minus the Texas money. That 21 million he could have made and he forgoes that.
What did Arod do? Did he spit at you? did he injury you? make you lose your job?
Honestly, what has arod ever done to you personally for you to hate him so much?
Ranting Guy, that’s old news and not what we were laughing about- it was the idea of signing him in order to trade him, which couldn’t be done until May anyway, and certainly wouldn’t bring back any one of the pitchers you mentioned in a terribly failed joke. Not to continue the “pile on” or anything, but your “joke” was just ridiculous, not funny. Hey let’s trade Melky and Karstens for K-Rod- aren’t I hilarious?
Migames,
A lot of people don’t like A-rod (including me) because he rubs them the wrong way. Nothing rational about it, but that’s it. He’s just not a popular guy.
But as long as he wears the pinstripes (and hits a lot of homeruns :)), I’ll cheer for him.
Torre will be gone to because he is so friendly with the media.
He is going to miss the NYY limelight, this is going to be his only real chance to face the reporters.
I really don’t care if they do it, but agree with your point, Jennifer, that he is no longer a Yankee, for better or worse, so it really doesn’t matter what he says…
Other than when he said Mo was using him like a shill. That was priceless.
Migames, What do you expect from a homophobe? That Stuart, who subjects us to ranting and raging on this blog, thinks that inferring someone’s homosexuality is a “joke” means that he lacks the intellegence to understand many other matters. Ignore him, he isn’t worth the effort.
mel,
thanks for the honestly. Its just sounds like when people were sayin during the ‘04 election that they would rather have a beer with bush than with kerry.
Crap like that, just doesnt make sense. I want the president to run the country. I want my 3rd baseman to be good. Thats it.
Jennifer –
It’s expected that the media will ask him; what I think is that he should keep his own counsel at this point by simply saying that he’s no longer involved with the Yankees.
I also think it will stop at some point. Hopefully soon.
Yankee Hot Stove on Yes tonight. 6.30 p.m.to 7.30.p.m.
repeat 10 to 11 p.m.
The only reason I can think of is the most obvious one - both Posada and Mariano have played their entire careers under Torre and the fact that Mo even said “hey I could always go back to Joe and the Dodgers”… so the media is going to follow that bread crumb trail. Also, Torre will be opined for the Arod move for two reasons - the dodgers had mild interst in getting him and Torre was “the guy” who batted arod 8th. It’s a story and we’re going to hear it.
Think of it like the press seeking previous presidents or government officials to critique the current government/administration. It’s always gonna happen.
I believe the reason why Torre was asked was that last night he was at a media event for Four Seasons of Hope so ie was there and available for the media to ask. Once he is in LA I am sure they wont be going to him about the Yankees and I am sure he will be too busy with the Dodgers to care about the Yankees and the goings on there.
If Joe was not at this event last night they would not have “gone to him”
I love MO and want him on this team with every fiber of my being, and I badly want Joba in the rotation. But 4 years is unrealistically insane. It bothers me a bit if it’s true that he is saying he wants what Posada got. First of all Jorge is younger, second their offer to Mo is more per year than Jorge got, third how can you really compare a closer (even the greatest of all time) to a catcher? Jorge’s job