Barry Bonds indicted for perjury
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Barry Bonds, baseball’s all-time leader in home runs, was indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice, charged with lying when he told a federal grand jury that he did not knowingly use performance-enhancing drugs.
If convicted on all five counts, baseball’s home run king could go to prison for up to 30 years. The indictment culminated a four-year investigation into steroid use by elite athletes. Bonds has repeatedly denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs. He has never been identified by Major League Baseball as testing positive.
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Peter Abraham
BONDS = CRIMINAL
SOSA IS NEXT…BIG MAC TOO
SEND HIM TO QUENTIN
ARod just took one step closer to getting that extra $$ (in his alleged new contract) for setting the HR record
Can they give the HR record back to Aaron?
Will he ever actually see the inside of a prison cell though?
Bonds is the next OJ
he only sees jail if anderson fesses up
Send him to JAIL and ERASE the records.
Pete – when are you going on vacation?
Do you know if the Yankees really offered Lowell 4 years?
Ey, if major leaue baseball is going to take away the homerun record from bonds, then they also have to take away the all-time hit record from Pete Rose, and should take away every record that Ty Cobb owns (widely believed to be one of the vilest characters in the history of the game and potentially even a murderer). Gaylord Perry would need to be removed from the hall of fame immediately as well. There are a ton of bad characters and cheaters in the major league baseball hall of fame and who own baseball records. (Just as there are bad people in all walks of life and every profession). Yes, Barry Bonds is one of those bad people. But if your are going to take everything away from him, it would only be fair to take everything away from all of the rest of them.
WOULD LOVE TO SE HOW MUCH MONEY CONGRESS AND MLB SPENT ON THIS FIASCO, yOU HAD TO KNOW IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME TIL SELIG GOT HIS MAN!
sorry ‘bout the caps people, hit key by accident
ESPN IS CONFIRMING ALEX RODRIGUEZ AND THE YANKEES HAVE OFFICIALLY REACHED AN AGREEMENT FOR 10 YEARS/275million
Damien, that`s completely different circumstances. Bonds cheating helped him perform better and establish his records.
Pete Rose’s rule breaking did not help him get the hits record
Cobb’s attitude is wildly exxagerated and his supposed murder is a myth.
Gaylord Perry’s cheating did not affect his perfromance nearly as much as Bonds’
So now where are we? Physical, and approval by the commish? Than an announcement?
it’s about time
Bonds isnt going to jail. I think this is just a media stunt.
Could our government be any more useless? We got a war going on….and they focus on baseball.
btw i saw on espn (yuck) that a-rod has actually agreed to the 10 year deal and boras is going to work out the details
It’s official according to ESPN. 10 years $275 million plus incentives if he becomes the HR king.
Even if Bonds is convicted on all 5 counts, does anyone really think Bud is going to ban him for life? I don’t. I think it should happen, but doubt very much that it will.
Can someone please explain to me why the Yankees supposedly offered 4/60 for Lowell? My guess is they are just offering it to drive up the soxs price. Next we can get Tex, he is better than Lowell. I hope this is just a ploy.
The only thing that bothers me about A-Rod’s contract is the HR incentives. I was happy with the contract, hoping he would settle in, but he gets so “mental” about things, I hope that clause isn’t a problem… I’m glad he’s staying.
Wait, so about those incentives, if Bonds is convicted isn’t Arod the HR king already?
Um no, it would revert back to Hank Aaron.
Arizona League prospects being highlighted on YES now.
Even if Bonds is convicted on all 5 counts, does anyone really think Bud is going to ban him for life? I don’t. I think it should happen, but doubt very much that it will.
He`ll be in court for next year and by then his time wiull be up
Hey Jennifer, where did you hear about the Lowell offer from Yanks? I heard that 4/60 was just a rumor circulated by Lowell’s agent, but maybe you read something more updated than what I did? Too many smoke and mirrors around the off season to know what’s what…
Could our government be any more useless? We got a war going on….and they focus on baseball
Please run Gore, please run
I’m not sure where I read it, I’ve been looking at various message boards. If what you are saying is true, that makes me feel a little better. I don’t think it is worth it to get him, considering who is in the 2009 class of free agents.
Jennifer said: “Um no, it would revert back to Hank Aaron.”
Man I need my head examined!
Did we find out if Boston offered Lowell arbitration or not?
considering who is in the 2009 class of free agents.
I`d be surprised if Texiera doesn’t go back to Atlanta after what they gave up to get him
Absolutley agree on Lowell. That 4/60 to play 1B rumor is dumb on so many levels. Forget that Lowell can’t hit in Yankees stadium, 1B is so not our biggest problem right now. SP first, then relivers. Cashman, priority please!
Part of Bonds’ problem is that he just not very likeable. I hate to say that, but it’s true. It’s similar to sexual harassment. Whether or not it’s harassment depends on how attractive the harasser is. Having said that though, I have friends that argue what a great player Bonds has been, that at the most, you could only take away 100ish of his homeruns. But, you know, we are all ultimately judged by our choices, and one bad choice can erase a lifetime of success. I’m just really tired of hearing what a great player he is/was, because while that may be true, a portion of that success was illegally obtained, if the indictment stands.
Karma’s a bitch, eh Barry?
Ok…that’s A-Rod…How About Mo-Riv ???
Mike,
I think your distinction between Rose and Bonds is plausible.
I admit, I am not a Cobb historian and therefore can’t in anyway claim my information on the man is any better than yours.
But I have to disagree with you on the Gaylord Perry point. The ability to doctor the baseball presents a huge advantage for the pitcher (see Rogers, Kenny in the 2006 playoffs). I agree that steroids help hitters, but just like we don’t know how much help doctoring the ball gave spitballers, we don’t know exactly how much assistance hitters get from steroids. Assuming you are right and steroid cheats get a bit more of a boost from steroids than spitball cheats got from doctoring the baseball, we are still only dealing in matters of degree. The point still remains: spitball cheats and steroids cheats are both cheaters. If the Hall of Fame or baseball in general is going to take a categorical stance against cheating, that’s fine. But everyone should be held to the same standard.
Which brings me to the final point: it is getting more and more clear that a TON of people were cheating during the steroid era. A TON. Both hitters AND pitchers. Many individual records set during this history are likely to have the steroid taint attached to them. Moreover, a lot of team records should probably be called into question. Does anyone still doubt that most of the world series champions during the 90’s and early ‘00’s had at least ONE steroid cheat on the team? Does anyone doubt that probably a few playoff series were decided by plays/pitching performances made by steroid cheats? If the whole era was tainted, why punish one person (admittedly a bad person, even outside of the steroid stuff) so much more than the others?
Now look, Bonds most likely committed perjury. The FEDS chose to go after him, and if they get him, he has nobody to blame but himself. But things are different when it comes to how the MLB handles Bonds’ records. If MLB is going to punish Bonds for something it knew was going on and turned a blind eye to steroids because they were helping to bring fans back to the game, then it has to punish everyone else or (given that it would likely be impossible to do this), put an asterisk over the whole freakin’ era. Not just personal records, but team records as well.
I know a lot of people will disagree with me but I actually respected Giambi for coming forward. I’m sure there was and is lots of temptation to juice, especially when they thought everyone was doing it so it’s an equal playing field. Not trying to justify it, I think it’s weakness all around for all who did roids. But I felt bad that Jason spoke up and was treated so poorly for being the exception to the rule and actually told the truth.
Yankees mag on, they are showing some of the kids in the AZ fall league.
i definitely agree that Giambi is the only one that deserves respect…. I have a pituitary problem and this and that is such B.S. and everybody knows it is
Giambi was a man about it and the only reason he never said the word steroid’s is because of his contract and i respect that, he still came forward and said hey i did it, i got caught, i’m sorry, lets move forward…. and everyone did
Bonds killed my dog and chicken and ate my pet cricket. I for one am happy that he’s going to be put away for the rest of his days.
Arod just agreed to outline of 10 yr 275 mil deal
Ok welcome back Arod.
I was violently against the idea of backpaddling to negotiate with him after the opt out. But I never saw this senario coming that he would crawl back with his tail between his legs and “apologized” according to reports. I’m still lukewarm b/c I know he won’t fire Boras, which is what I think he should do. But I’m well aware of their history and that Boras is most likely even behind this new development so I’m not naive enough to think they will ever part ways. Still, the 10/275 and signing now in mid November tells me he does want to be a Yankee. I never thought he could get $350mil but I’m pretty sure he can get more than $275mil if he waited a bit longer (especially now after this Bonds fiasco.
We have Miranda, he was at AA last year. They said he is doing very well, and a pretty good defensive first baseman. Another reason not to go after lowell.
Looks like Lowell is coming here also.
Girardi has gotten a hell of a team.
Damien, I`ll give you that on Perry. I`m on the fence abotu him actually
We have Miranda, he was at AA last year. They said he is doing very well, and a pretty good defensive first baseman. Another reason not to go after lowell.
I`m against the Lowell signing to and Miranda is a beast against righties but he isn’t any good against lefties and isn’t very good defensively. I like him in a plattoon but is Shelley the right guy?
Billy Connors owns Donkeys!! Named them Mo and Elduque. He has incredible memorabilia.
Lowell? EXCELLent, another senior citizen on the team.
Early Prediction: Jitter GIDPs in his first at bat in 2008.
Mike they addressed that in the story, his manager said he is a pretty good defender.
“Does anyone still doubt that most of the world series champions during the 90’s and early ’00’s had at least ONE steroid cheat on the team?”
well, canseco was on the 2000 yankees.
i am sure there are several others.
is it true arod has an opt-out?
Mike they addressed that in the story, his manager said he is a pretty good defender.
That`s just them overhyping their own players. I`ve seen him play before, he`s not very good at all. RAB and Pending Pinstripes have said the same thing and are considerably less biased then Miranda’s own manager
is it true arod has an opt-out?
Oh god, if we go through this again three years from now…...
where are you guys seeing this about Lowell??
They converted Steven Jackson to a reliever. (He was in the deal with Randy).
Has heavy sinker, lots of ground ball outs. Slider, split, split is the out pitch.
Didn’t say how he is doing in the fall league, but he could be an option in the pen.
marc
no
You know I think I just found it. It is the same story from yesterday, only it is being more widely reported.
Jen, he`s a little bit behind on the depth charts. Watch out for Ohlendorf though. 97 mph sinker coming out of the bullpen….
i’m a fan of Lowell despite his split stats, i’m more concerned about giving Boston a sandwhich pick or 1st rounder, whatever they get, remember Joba was a sandwhich pick
is it true arod has an opt-out?
Oh god, if we go through this again three years from now……
I have no idea, but a late opt-out (say 7 years) is useless to Arod, at that stage in his career he would get short term/incentive heavy deals, there is a no trade from what I hear, but I dont think the Yankees would be receptive to another fiasco like this.
Girardi, lead us all the way!!!
If we sign Lowell we`ll have 3 of our 4 infielders out of their best positions. We would have 1B Lowell, SS Jeter, and 3B A-Rod when it should be SS A-Rod, 3B Lowell, 1B Jeter. Now that would be a great infield
Mike, A-Rod is too big and no longer has the mobility to play SS. He was a good SS five years ago, but not anymore.
i wouldn’t move jeter AND a-rod…. SS is out of position for A-Rod now…. maybe originally that wouldn’t have been a terrible idea, but i’m not sure a-rod could play short like we all used to see
Roche has supposedly confirmed this. It was a different Boston station that last night reported the Braves, Cards, Angels and Yankees had all offered deal worth $55 million-$60 million. That news seemed bogus at the time and still appears this way. However, it is possible that the Yankees are in that territory. If they’re going to go that far to land Lowell, Mariano Rivera has a better case for receiving a four-year deal. The Red Sox are still offering Lowell three years. The Phillies continue to deny reports that they’re going to be involved, so this may prove to be a two-team race. Nov. 15 – 5:56 pm et
Please no to Mike Lowell.
Unless we are blowing up the bench from this year, we need 1B open for some flexibility.
I’m not worried about the Marketing aspect of the contract being a hindrance to Arod’s performance.
First, I really have little interest in his cumulative totals.
Second, barring injury, he should break the record before age 40. By the end of the contract, he’ll be merely adding to his own record.
thanks Jennifer. i was confused, some of the posts here sounded like he accepted the offer.
Time for the media (except Jon Heyman) to start making nice with Alex.
I hear the fences are closer in prison
I wonder if the “Lowell deal” that the Yankees are offering is out there just until ARod signs on the dotted line; sort of like an insurance policy. Otherwise, it goes against the party line of going younger and in-house (aka, Shelly Duncan, who, as I recall, has been pushed by Gene Michael). Besides, with Jorge in the fold for 4 years, and maybe even Mark Texeira, they need 1B to be available.
I can’t image the Lowell deal is serious. Lowell has the same agent as Posada so maybe they asked the Yankees to help drive up the price….
It’s a stupid deal IMHO. Andy Phillips is the guy.
JKH
November 15th, 2007 at 7:34 pm
Could our government be any more useless? We got a war going on….and they focus on baseball
Please run Gore, please run
This is my thought exactly. I’m no Bonds fan and I think the man is scum, but using steroids (and lying about it) is hardly an issue of national security. He’s not a menace to society and the streets won’t be safer with him behind bars.
As for the Yankees, they still could use another righty bat and Lowell would be good at First. He’d adapt and field fine and be a solid bat and battler at the bottom of the line-up. The Yankees struggled being too lefthanded this year with Posada, A-Rod and Jeter. I still say go for it.
We Love, I agree and I know we’ll get reamed for it. I like Andy he has a good glove, he is cheap, he is a good guy and he can swing the bat. We don’t need an all star at every position.
Hey Pete hows the vacation working out? Your writing just as much before and with the Yankees signing A-Rod and his MVP conference on Monday i don’t see a break coming for you. I love reading this blog. This is where i come to get all my Yankees info. Keep up the good work.
Don’t know if any one already wrote this. Federal judge released Greg Anderson from prison following the indictment.
pat sounds to me like he sang like a canary than.
Well, he finally gets to wear pinstripes. Unfortunately, for him, they’ll be horizontal pinstripes.
Um, is the Captain in a little trouble?
http://wcbstv.com/sports/derek.jeter.yankees.2.568895.html
“Could our government be any more useless? We got a war going on….and they focus on baseball
Please run Gore, please run
This is my thought exactly. I’m no Bonds fan and I think the man is scum, but using steroids (and lying about it) is hardly an issue of national security. He’s not a menace to society and the streets won’t be safer with him behind bars.”
Let me see if I understand… because we are at war, the enforcement of the criminal law in this country is supposed to be suspended, and famous, rich people should be allowed to lie to a grand jury with impunity? And Al Gore will see to that? I learn something new here each day.
According to a former US attorney speaking on ESPN, Anderson was released because the indictment is out and the Grand Jury is expiring. Thus they can no longer hold Anderson.
I don’t have that verbatim, but I’m pretty sure that was the report.
tommy:
That sounds right as I believe Anderson was in jail for contempt for refusing to testify before that particular grand jury panel on that case. The “contempt” ended because the panel ended and there was no plan to extend the present one.
Murphydog:
I’m not going to get into a political debate on a Yankee blog.
I think the spirit of the comment involves DOJ priorities, which frankly could be debated all night.
FWIW:
“the President is very disappointed to hear this…..but clearly this is a very sad day for Baseball.”
-Tony Fratto, WH spokesperson.
Hopefully, Bond’s fate will be decided before 1/20/09, so GWB can do the right thing and offer him a pardon or at least a commutation.
I agree. There are plenty of views on DOJ priorities. And I’ll spare you my views on Valerie Plame and her husband, and whether or not Joe Wilson is a bigger liar than Barry Bonds and Scooter Libby put together.
But back to baseball…
Bulbhead Bonds will find himself busting up rocks at San Quentin with his home run swing.
Welcome to the club.
Okay I heard something a little different re: Alex’s contract. The 275 thrown around INCLUDES 25 million in incentive clauses. Can anyone else confirm this.
Sounds like Hank has A-Rod’s back!
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3112799
you go Hank !!
Mike NYY-River Avenue Watch,
“Cobb’s attitude is wildly exxagerated and his supposed murder is a myth.”
Ty Cobb was known for his aggresive nature and virulent racism.Case in point.1. Attacked a black groundkeeper because cobb did not like the conditions of the grounds at Tiger Stadium. Cobb choked the groundskeeper’s wife when she intervened to stop the fight.2.Cobb went into the stands to beat up a heckler. No matter that the heckler was missing one hand and three fingers from the other.3.Cobb once slapped a black elevator operator for being “uppity.” When a black night watchman intervened, Cobb pulled out a knife and stabbed him .THE MATTER WAS LATER SETTLED OUT OF COURT (Wiki.En)
So please checked your facts.Cobb was a great baseball player but a racist ass as a human being.
The stealth Yankees at it again. Sounds like the A-Rod negotiations have been going on for over a week.
Ok, what do you suppose could happen if MO walks? Joba will continue to be a starter, and our potential new closer would be…..?
Who’s out there for trade or otherwise?
Ed, you could have put that on wikipedia!
hey Pete, where are the hour-by-hour updates? Get off your couch man!
I’ve working for the last 6 years 24/7 and have only taken 3 days off.
New report out about lowell and the yanks
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3111752
We don’t need lowell we just need pieces that fit. Phillips is fine he hits for average and was above average defenssivly. As far as i am concerned we need to start worrying about our bullpen a little more and pitching. NOw that A-Rod is back we have the 56 HRs and 156RBIS. Now we need Middle relieve MO, Pettite, and some clutch performances in playoffs and were set.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say we come to this site to escape and to just talk about baseball. I save my political commentary for my closest friends, I think it would be wise to leave political statements out of any posts. Personally I don’t care what you think about any politician or you what I think.
right now Kazmir & Santana should be our focus, (Mos a given he better sign)
“I think it would be wise to leave political statements out of any posts.”
Duly noted and will act accordingly.
“It’s a stupid deal IMHO. Andy Phillips is the guy.”
Lowell for 1B is a stupid deal, but Phillips is NOT the guy. Young? No. He’s about 30. Good glove? Nothing special. Cheap? Yes. Good bat? NO. He’s basically a singles hitter. That’s not good enough. The Yanks need another decent righty run producing bat at 1B. Otherwise, the lineup basically turns into ARod and some other guys against lefties. And, if Alex doesn’t get it done, game over. The guy doesn’t need big power, but he should be able to crank out some doubles and pop one every now and again. Shelley Duncan didn’t get a shot until he was 27 for a reason…he’s a solid power threat off the bench, but he’ll get exposed with too much playing time.
Back to Lowell…You’re getting fooled by a career year. He’s been a decent bat who will almost certainly decline over the next four years. Putting him at 1B wastes his best skill…his D.
how about putting AROD at first and Lowell at 3rd?
pete is at springsteen tonight in albany…he played “Darkness…” so Pete is happy
I hope the Phillies get Lowell
“Phillips is fine he hits for average”
NO HE DOESN’T. He’s 30 and is a singles hitter. You can do SO MUCH BETTER at 1B without paying that much more money.
Looking into an upgrade at 1B doesn’t somehow preclude getting relief help. The Yanks are looking into both – and should be.
watch how Betemit or Miranda take over 1B next season
And, even as a singles hitter, Phillips is mediocre.
According to reports – it’s a 10 yr $275 mil contract – but no yearly incentives… just the big one with sharing of revenue profits during the breaking of the HR record. It’s a little dicey because MLB rules do not allow for that kind of language in a contract, but it’s not an unbendable rule. I’m sure they’ll find a way to make it work – tweaking the language and all.
Here’s an interesting excerpt from ESPN:
Steinbrenner said he thinks that had Rodriguez tested the free-agent market, he would have gotten a more lucrative contract and cited the interest of the Los Angeles Dodgers, led by new manager Joe Torre, and perhaps other teams.
“There are a few cynics who say, ‘Well, he really couldn’t get this there,’ ” Steinbrenner said. “Trust me, he would have gotten probably more. He is making a sacrifice to be a Yankee, there’s no question. ... He showed what was really in his heart and what he really wanted.”
really? I didn’t see any offers coming out of LAD or LAA land? Did anyone else here see one? Hank, let Howard Rubenstein work the spin man, yours just sounds awful.
“really? I didn’t see any offers coming out of LAD or LAA land? Did anyone else here see one?”
Oh, I didn’t know that the ownerships of those two teams habitually told you every move they make. Interesting.
ARod and the Yanks started talking a week ago. We just heard about it YESTERDAY. Teams can keep secrets, you know.
Why the heck does Baseball have peeople like this in the hall of fame. If this guy is in Bonds and Rose deserve to be in.
Gillick specifically said tonight not to believe everything you see on ESPN.com, in reference to the Lowell rumor. They’re after pitching – not another position player… hey Cashman – there’s an idea – how about we worry less about Lowell and the Sox, and fix our bullpen first and get Mo to sign already?
So you honestly think the Dodgers and Angels can afford a $300 million dollar 10 yr contract?
Ooooo. Sounds like a Tom Hanks kind of deal. Low front end with percentage of receipts.
for one player.
KevinKm,
Actually I read about it first in ” The Life and Times of Babe Ruth”. Ruth and Cobb did not get along for many years.
They could afford it. The question is whether they would choose to.
So mr whozat who is your answer to 1st base because you shot down every candidate that the yankees have, Phillips, Shelly, and Giambi. All i was saying was i didn’t want lowell thats all here are phillips stats.
SPLIT G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BA OBP SLG
Season 61 185 27 54 7 1 2 25 0 .292 .338 .373
he had limited opportunity and still almost batted .300 All i am saying ill take phillips over the guys we have and lowell. I still want to know who is your answer if not any of these guys that the yankees can get “without paying that much more money.”
Is anybody watching this Oregon/Arizona game? Why is Dennis Dixon out of the game?
“Otherwise, the lineup basically turns into ARod and some other guys against lefties. And, if Alex doesn’t get it done, game over. The guy doesn’t need big power,”
They scored 950+runs 201 HRs, what are you talking about? Granted Posada won’t be as good next year, but you can’t call Damon, Jeter, Abreu, Cano, Matsui and Posada “Other guys” They aren’t in need of a big bat, just a steady one at first. Every team has a bottom of the order, they need Pettitte back and they need the young trio to perform well as starters. They need to find a set up man or fix Farnsworth, Vizcaino doesn’t have the velocity for the eith inning. They also need lefty pitching.
What do you guys think about (assuming Cano isn’t traded” batting him 5th, hes already better than Matsui, seeing as he hit 340 and 300, Matsui always hovered but never got to 300, Cano hit 19 HR and 97 RBI, and Matsui is a 20-100 guy, I feel like Cano can be a great hitter for many years and should be given the chance, perhaps Girardi believes in Talent>Experience, contrary to Torre.
Murphydog:
Thatwasme:
Points well taken.
Agree to agree about the love of Baseball!
I try to make my initial comments with regard to the post.
Peter’s post was about the Bonds indictment.
Re Hank;
I think he has done very well so far, considering the quantity of material he has supplied to the media.
He seems to have just enough restraint, something his Dad often lacked.
If the Yanks sign Lowell, Boston gets the Yankees’ first rounder and a sandwich pick… I’d rather we not give away our draft picks please.
Ed,
I was kidding.
Me.
i agree with KevinKM and sunny615 100%. LOwell is not worth the investment and batting Cano 5th is interesting idea. Maybe if you did that and moving matsui and posada down they would get more pitches to hit, but well see. Im sure Giradi will come up with soemthing different
Andy Phillips…nice guy, but he sucks.
“he had limited opportunity and still almost batted .300”
And his OPS was what, .710? That’s not NEARLY good enough for a 1B.
“I still want to know who is your answer”
The Pirates have a prospect that’s blocked by Andy LaRoche. He’s kind of short, but he’s RAKED in the minors. He’d be interesting.
If Crede gets non-tendered, I’d give him a shot platooning with Betemit. He’s a great fielder when healthy, and can provide power. The position wouldn’t provide a big OBP, but they could be a dangerous #7-type hitter.
Playing Duncan only against lefties could work. Betemit/Duncan might be worthwhile. Or, Mike Lamb + Duncan.
And these are only off the top of my head.
THANK GOD he was finally indited… it’s 3 months too late but I’ll still be a happy man if he goes to jail and gets an *
I don’t see the need for Lowell. A-Rod is pretty much a done deal pending the commissioner office signing off on it and a few details. It will get done.
The item regarding merchandise and sharing profits will something that the Players Union would embrace, new revinue stream for them, and the Commissioner wouldn’t be opposed to it from what I imagine.
Regarding Bonds. The Federal government has a 95% conviction rate. It was stated that they have a failed drug test report showing Bonds used steroids. They have all kinds of documentation. Being that the case will be heard in San Francisco, the Government case would have to be pretty solid to go forward with because of Bonds’ local hero status. This is not a case that the Fed can go in without strong evidence because of the high profile of the case.
This indictment is about lying to the grand jury about his use of steriods and HGH. There is physical evidence of his head size and foot size growing after his growth period ended. His foot size is now 13, earlier in his career it was 10 1/2. That is a big difference. There are only two things that cause that. One is the disease that Andre the Giant had, which ultimately killed him. Bonds does not have that disease. The other is HGH.
If he is convicted, then the Hall of Fame might be lost to him. One of the aspects of the HOF vote is character. A convicted liar doesn’t seem like one to have character.
That doesn’t mean I am advocating that stance for Bonds. He was a HOF player before he started allegidly using PEDs.
Where does Baseball go from here? Who knows. This whole thing is about keeping PEDs out of sports, and the PEDs start in high school and college levels.
His record? Who knows. Who cares, with this indictment the taint on it got worse. A conviction makes it even dirtier looking. How do you evaluate it though?
Bonds chose to go after the HR record and most likely use PEDs. He is being made an example of, but some of it he brought on himself.
total hypothetical, and please dont get me wrong; i understand that this would never happen, but i was thinking about how i wouldnt particularly want Lowell at 1B for that commitment, and instead, i was thinking of what the ideal platoon at first could be…
considering how good Shelley Duncan hit against lefties, and Chris Duncan hit against righties, how much fun would it be to trade with StL for Chris, and see the two Duncan brothers platoon at first base?
I continue to think that the bid – if it is that – to Mike Lowell is nothing more than a)insurance if ARod pulls out, and b)a tweak to Boston. I think Shelly Duncan and Wilson Betemit can adequately fill that spot; and if not, we’ll now in short order. At that point, it it’s a problem, we can use those minor league chips that we saved by not having to get Miguel Cabrera and use them for Mark Texeira. I don’t think Atlanta has it in them for a FA contest with Mr. Boras (Tex’s agent), and might want something in exchange for him. Since young pitching is the coin, something the Yankees happen to have, there may be a good fit.
Unless the Yanks use that young pitching for Santana, in which case who plays first base will be that much less important.
can someone explain why Kazmir’s name keeps coming up on this site? why would they trade him? why would they trade him to the yankees?
“They aren’t in need of a big bat, just a steady one at first.”
Yes…a steady bat that can provide league-average production at the position, which includes slugging around .450 and getting on base around .350.
Against lefties, our lefties DISAPPEARED. The big scoring numbers were a product of ANNIHILATING mediocre pitching for basically all of July and August. The team was very good against most righties, but had a lot of trouble against lefties. If you didn’t notice that, you weren’t paying attention.
I said the team was ARod and some other guys AGAINST LEFTIES because the other players did NOT have good numbers against left handed pitchers. It’s true. Jeter did fine, but the others, not so much.
Alright whatever, i think what the other guy said that Juan Miranda. They had a piece about him on the Yanks website. He going to be good. So maybe in Spring Training if he does good he will be given a shot. Just not Lowell. I can just see him going back to the way he was. Lets not forget last offseason the red sox were begging people to take him and no one did. I just like the way the organization is going and i would hate to go back to another Giambi situation.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11152007/sports/yankees/rodriguez_heard_voices_of_fans_286667.htm
We the people….
Fun article about Alex feeling the wrath of the fans.
It mentions agitated bloggers (that’s us) and there’s a cute story about a kid who wanted to return his #13 jersey that’ll make you chuckle.
KevinKM
The Yankees struggled mightily against lefty’s last year, especially on the road. They undoubtedly could use a solid right hand bat at first base. Stick Michaels had the best saying- “it’s not how many runs you score, it’s when you score them.” Adding a righty bat at first (not a superstar, just a good bat) would be very prudent.
Baseball revenue for 2007 was 6 BILLION dollars. Baseball is on the up swing, clubs are flush with money.
I think A-Rod could have possibly gotten a big deal as he was looking for, but it would have taken longer. I think it is more the legacy bit with A-Rod now.
That and his image. This helps repair it a good deal.
As to the Jeter tax issue. If he is registered as a resident of Florida there are tax benefits that come into play on the state level. This is about NY looking to get money from him, which is not a shock.
The things put out in that article are the NYS side of things, but that doesn’t offer the proof needed in court. Saying he lives there and owns property is one thing, but proving he doesn’t make Florida his main residence is another matter.
I tend to think that Jeter has a pretty good accountant. I would think they have their bases covered. If not then he pays.
I’m not worried about this lineup as constructed against lefties. there arent many that they really have to worry about anyway, but when you take a look at their career numbers, the players on this roster have traitionally been able to handle left handers well enough to take care of business.
so who is this righty good bat. Theres no one on the free agent market. I agree we need a good righty bat, but lets gets some names. I can’t think of anyone
mel: It mentions us?
This day gets better and better, and that’s WITH a two hour flight delay!
“Adding a righty bat at first”
Yeah. Basically, I want a Kevin Millar clone. He costs little, slugs solidly against lefties, and is tolerable against righties, so if Betemit turns out to be worthless you could live with him there full-time. And could be had on a short deal, given his age.
Rebecca,
Not LoHud bloggers in particular, but I think it’s safe to say that someone in A-rod’s camp reads this blog.
pffffffffffft speak for yourselves I ain’t getting blamed for something I didn’t do
so who is the kevin Millar clone? Betemit has never played first before coming over. we someone soild defenssivly. I dont really think He is the answer. As much as i would like him to be because of the right handed bat and young but hes not a 1st baseman
Worst thing about this – ESPN pre-empted PTI on the east coast to show 2 hours+ of the same dog and pony show. Sportscenter at 11pm will be the same. Who really cares???
I need help…this site is worse than drugs and or alcohol….is there a Bloggers Annonymos?
No-way to Lowell at first base. The Yankees should still try for Miguel Cabrera. They would have their own version of Big Papi and Manny in the middle of the line-up, only better. I would deal anyone but Joba, Hughes and Cano.
They then need to upgrade the Bull-pen, a trade for Brian Fuentes makes sense. Add another lefty like Affeldt and the BP is balanced and fairly deep. Entice Pettite with a 20 mil. one year deal and start printing World Series Tickets.
Line-up
Jeter
Abreu
Cabrera (Miguel)
A-Rod
Posada
Cano
Matsui
Giambi/Duncan
Cabrera (Melky)
Rotation:
Joba
Hughes
Wang
Petitte
Moose
BP:
Rivera
Fuentes
Farnsworth (Girardi and Eiland will get him on track)
Affeldt
Ohlendorf
Ramirez
Whelan
Bench:
Molina
Duncan
Gonzalez
Mike Lamb (F/A)
Brett Gardner
Gone:
Damon for a prospect
Ian Kennedy, Humberto Sanchez, Chris Britton, Jesus Montero,Wilson Betimet,Alan Horne for Cabrera…
Indicted just means he’s blamed for something – It’ll be news if he’s actually convicted of anything. And unless someone knows something (like Anderson caving and spewing details) I seriously doubt bonds gets anything more than a slap on the wrist. I hope they have something concrete. That asterisk labeled ball seems more apropos now doesn’t it?
I say it’s Miller who is the informant from A-Rod’s camp
Sparky O-
I hear ya, my wife keeps coming over to take a peek at my laptop & says who ya talkin’ to? I roll my eyes at her, then I just continually type, LOL every so often especially at DR. A.
“I think their relationship will survive – there’s too much history there. But I don’t think it will ever be the same.”
For once, then, it seems Boras pays for being a bully. Apparently he didn’t count on Hank Steinbrenner showing up out of nowhere as a tough guy who couldn’t be bluffed in the manner of his old man.
V0III-
How do you propose the Yanks get Cabrera? You have to trade more than just a bag of balls to get him.
Still much prefer Santana to another bat. With A-Rod back, they have sufficient offense.
My wish list:
1) Re-sign Mo tomorrow
2) Andy comes home for Christmas
3) Santana for Hughes or IPK and (Insert A-level prospect) [The Yankees should consider Tabata, Melky or Jackson, as that A-level prospect if Santana and the Twins afford them a 72-hour window to secure an extension.)
4) Sign an 8th inning reliever, in ascending order of preference: Kerry Wood (doubt he’d take the 8th inning), Scott Linebrink (was last year an anomaly or a harbinger), LaTroy Hawkins.
Sunny615, the Federal government isn’t going to indict Bonds if there isn’t evidence they feel is strong enough to get a conviction.
Their success rate is 95% for all cases that get an indictment from the Grand Jury. High profile cases are at a higher success rate.
Either Bonds will fight it, which is the more likely scenario, or he will plead guilty.
Balco did the testing on Bonds for PEDs. It was a positive test. They have him – somehow – for use of syringe injection of steriods. Its one of the charges against him.
Hard to prove you didn’t “knowingly” take steroids when you are injecting yourself. Flaxseed oil?
If Bonds doesn’t cop a plea bargain, then it goes to court. While its not guaranteed, its pretty far up there for him to get convicted.
Martha Stewart didn’t do so well with her trial. Think Bonds will do any better?
Buddy,
That is a good package, Kennedy and Sanchez (Once Healthy) will be mainstays in the Marlins Rotation. Horne has a good shot as well. Montero has a chance to be Cabrera in a few years and Betimet is a fairly productive option anywhere on the infield….If You want to add Melky to the package then do it. We can keep Damon or sign one of the very good CF free agents available.
This Package is better than the prposed Angels Package. The Dodgers will not give up four of the prospects that Florida is asking for 3 at best. The Yankees package has four legit high end prospects and a very good young infielder. If you add Melky its a very good deal for the Marlins.
I would be patient on the Miguel Cabrera front. It looks like both the Angels and Dodgers are making moves to bring him in. However, both organizations traditionally are conservative as far as trading prospects.
I refuse to believe, especially with Torre now in town, that the Dodgers are going to give him that many young players to start the season. But, having Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Billingsley, Broxton, and Kershaw in the lineup is hardly a bad thing.
Taking all this into consideration, I dont doubt that if the Yankees bring Pettitte back they could make a move for one of their young starters plus positional players for Cabrera (think Cano, Kennedy, Sanchez/Ohlendorf, and another player).
Should they do it? Thats another question. But, if the Twins are adament about not trading Johan, and the A’s have balked about trading Danny Haren, I dont think you can go wrong in bring in an all-world RH bat to transition to 1B, as young as Cabrera is, and as much as Girardi likes him.
IF you move Cano and Kennedy, you could slot Alberto Gonzalez into 2B and bat him at the bottom of the order. His coverage defensively would more than make up for the lack of range you’d see from Cabrera at 1B, and no offense to Cano, but I’d take Miguel Cabrera over Robby Cano any day of the week.
well the yankees finally heard from Rivera and he wants a four year deal, no way he would be 41 and I dont believe he can last that long, THe yankees should say no way and go to plan B
mel: Two or three, probably…and I’m not even sure we have to guess at names.
OH
Apparently my dad went to a dinner on Monday and Jim Leyritz, yes THAT Leyritz was there and said:
Mo and Po are staying (duh) and A-Rod was not a Yankee (pre-news, of course…)
Jim Leyriz always puts his foot in his mouth
wow…Pete got a great show. I’ll bet he is pumped
umm…don…are you high? go to plan b??? Yanks NEED Rivera for the next few years, even if he doesn’t pitch beyond his 2nd year of the contract. They NEED Joba in the starting rotation. Yanks cannot lose Rivera, so although he’s being a spoiled baby, pay the man.
Turn Two,
I would do your proposed Trade if I’m the Yankees, I would even do a Cano, Melky, Kennedy package…
You could then move Jeter to CF, Alberto Gonzalez to SS, and sign someone like Luis Castillo to play second. Or, maybe acquire Freddy Sanchez from the Pirates. Gonzalez would be a huge defensive upgrade at SS and Jeter would probably make a fine Center Fielder.
So what Giambi came forward to admit he was a steroids cheat? He shouldn’t be commended for telling the truth esp. when he fessed up only cuz he would’ve been caught himself.
The pair of solo homeruns he hit vs. Pedro Martinez in Game 7 of the 2003 A.L.C.S. were a lie thus the Yanks in the 2003 World Series was a lie. DON’T insult my intelligence and tell me Giambi wasn’t on steroids when he hit those homeruns off prime Pedro cuz he was.
Take a look at Giambi in Matsui’s first game at Yankee Stadium next time the game is on YES. He (Giambi) looks about a decade younger than he does now and that was only a little over 4.5 years ago. It’s like night and day it’s startling. He’s the posterboy for what steroids can do to you in 4 years.
no i am not high just pratical, there are plenty of good closer out there, if rivera whats to play hard ball let him go elsewhere, no way 4 years
Jeter isnt moving anywhere any time soon.
If you did a Cano, Melky, Kennedy, and Ohlendorf trade, you could either slide Gonzalez into 2B or make a secondary move for a 2B like Sanchez, Hudson, sign Loretta/Iguchi on short term deal… and you could move Damon into center (who can still track fly balls well) and Matsui into LF, or give CF to Gardner to lose in Spring Training and see how he handles it. he seems like a Girardi type of player who could provide great defense in CF, and speed/OBP that could be as good as Melkys at the bottom of the lineup.
the point being, that as long as you have your SP 1-4 lined up and in place, and you have your 1-6 batters in the lineup ready to go (Damon, Jeter, ARod, Cabrera, Abreu, Posada, Matsui…), you can play around with the bottom of the lineup and plug in pieces that fit the best.
Considering his age and vulnerability against the Red Sox, Mo is not even one of the top ten closers out there—from the yanks perspective. If he insists on 4 years, then tell him thanks for the memories and go to hell.
If i were the Yankees, I would draw the line and the sand with MO, and maybe even withdraw my 3/45 proposal. Let him test the waters, and then watch him come back just like ARod did. Ther e isnt another team out there who is on the cusp of contention like the Yankees are who will pay him $13+ a season to close games.
It’s just not practical. He’s asking for more money per season than the Yankees would pay for their #1 from a year ago to return (Pettitte), and what they just gave their full-time slugging catcher.
I also think for the right price, Huston Street and Joe Nathan could be among the candidates the Yankees could target for the back end of the bullpen.
“plenty of good closers out there” LIKE WHO??? The only closers that are on his level are on teams that would never trade them.
Why would the Yankees go after Cabrera when it pitching that needs to have some additional work?
Give up Cano who is going to be the next player they work their club around? He makes some very good plays and is improving as time goes on. His bat is getting better, and in the second half he was showing patience at the plate. Why trade him and pitching for another position player?
They have plenty of offense power. Get some pitching.
Tying all the major baseball stories together, does anyone worry the “11 potential free agents [that] will be named in the steroid probe” could have caused Arod to push for a deal and quick?
Turn Two, so you want to see all the farm hands traded away so the Yankees are right back into the troubles they have had for so long?
Trade for 1 starting pitcher, that I can see. All the rest is too much.
they can go for codero or nathan, and even put joba in the role and pick up another starter elsewhere, life will go on without mo,
The Twins will do their best to sign Santana to an extension but even if they can’t, the Twins can hardly afford to lose two franchise faces in one winter. And it’s highly more likey, they’ll get a better package come trade deadline next summer (assuming they fall out of the race). The only scenario I can foresee would be Santana getting fed up with mediocre to crappy moves made by the twins this winter and only marginally upgrading – if at all – and demanding a trade as a result. The Twins will not move him for anything less than a starting position player (Cano from the Yanks, Pedroia/Ellsbury Sox, Kemp Dodgers, Kendrick Angels etc) – a top pitcher (Joba or Hughes, Buccholz, etc) and probably another A prospect. Pretty heavy price tag, and if you fanboys think it’s too steep, I’m sure one of those other team will pull the trigger and land Satana. Let’s put it this way, if you were the Twins’ GM and had Santana on your roster, what would you ask for him from the Yanks? Would you be satisfied with Kennedy? Horne? Melky? I wouldn’t. I’d start at Cano and Hughes/Joba and work UP from there. ouch.
Joba will not be the closer. He projects as a number 1 starter. Would you put santana in the closer role if Nathan left? Didn’t think so. If Mo moves on, Cash will find a replacement one way (farm) or another (trade/FA).
Thats why you wait and hope for FA. While Santana might as for a trade, I don’t see teams going for him without an extention. I think he would rather go FA and pick the team he wants to play for, at least have a say in which team he would prefer over the others in the bidding.
That is what I would do.
I also wonder if a trade before the deadline would garner so much talent from a contender for the post season. At that point it may be tough to pull the trigger on a trade that costs such good key players. That means needing other moves to cover those holes. That is tough, though not impossible.
bonds said he never “knowingly” took steroids.
rafael palmeiro testified that he never took steroids.
on a semi-related note, is it a mistake to sign a-rod before the mitchell report comes out?
A-Rod may be a lot of things, but I don’t think he’s a juicer. He’s built like a racehorse, not a Clydesdale.
I don’t like Bonds. He’s too something…fat!
A lot of contracts have clauses that void them if they were involved with steroids.
Read the indictment. It lays out each and every count against him. The statements are underlined that they have evidence to the contrary.
He not only said that he didn’t take any steroids knowingly, that was for one specific instance where he admitted that he got cream to rub in that was supposed to help him recover from his fathers death.
Many times he stated catagorically that he never got anything from Anderson, that he never did any steroids. That he never did any human growth hormones.
He was specifically asked if Anderson or anyone else had injected him with steroids, he denied it over and over, stating that only his doctor, then amended it to also all the surgeries he had, but that was the limit of who would have injected him. That seems to point to having evidence or testamony to the contrary.
He had been given immunity to testify, no charges would be brought against him, the only exception was for perjury and obstruction of justice.
Bonds is cooked.
“I’m sure one of those other team will pull the trigger and land Satana.”
I’m not as sure. I mean…the Sox and Angels already feel pretty good about their starting pitching. Are they going to give up their only top SP prospects AND their best young position player when they each have a Cy Young candidate at the front of their rotation already? Especially when the Angels DESPERATELY want bats. Are they going to flip Kendrick for Santana, thus losing any chance of landing Cabrera AND not having Howie anymore?
The Dodgers…they might, but they also want a big bat. Lowell ain’t that bat. They need to go get Cabrera, or someone close to him.
I could see the Mets getting into this with Milledge, Gomez, and Pelfrey/Humber. I think those names aren’t as good (Gomez is supposedly going to be awesome, though), but I can see all four of the other contenders balking at the position player price, or being unable to pay it as a result of other needed moves.
It’s tough to prove perjury.
Bonds is totally screwed. THe Feds have something solid or they wouldn’t take a chance and ruin a 6 billion dollar industry.
I hope Barry makes a statement soon
Between Barry’s indictment and O.J.’s trial, ESPN will definitely turn into Court TV. No matter what your viewpoint is, it’s a bit nerveracking to see all of these outside issues crowding the sports pages. I’d much rather hear about baseball news, basketball, and football scores. But times change.
I don’t think arod is a juicer either… I mean his head is definitely huge, but that’s all ego, not roids.
ESPN explains why “Team Knuckleheads” (Boras and Arod) got a bloody nose even when they got their money:
ESPN story link
Pete…
Sure picked a bad time to take a vacation, huh?
8^)
Enjoy yourself, you’ve earned it! (Mostly a lurker, but a rabid fan, I check in at least 5 times a day, you are my Yankee go to guy! Keep up the PHENOMENAL work!)
I really hope these Lowell rumors are bogus. I don’t want him at 1b. It just feels wrong. I want to see team start to get younger.
I’d love to see Girardi honestly give Shelley a shot there. I’m slightly okay with Andy Phillips provided he hits. I don’t want an offensive void and the easiest defensive position on the field.
I won’t even mention Giambi because I know if he has to play in the field, he won’t make 20 games w/o getting hurt.
I’m almost wondering if the Lowell talks are a sign that Shelley may be traded for a reliever or something.
You have to think that Shelley’s trade value has never been higher than it is right now.
Maybe the Pirates want him included with prospects in a deal for Marte or something. Everyone is clamoring for young RH power, I’m sure some people are intrigued by what Shelley did in his call up.
I’d hate to see that crazy eyed kook go though.
He strikes me as the kind of kid who if Cash and Girardi tell him he has a chance at starting at 1b if he works on his D, he’ll work his tush off on defensive drills all off season in prep to win the job. He might even be doing that already.
Would you take .260-.270 25-30 HR’s and average defense at 1b next season? I would. I think Shelley could provide that and I think I’m being a little conservative.
Why Alex reached out…
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/11/15/2007-11-15_hank_steinbrenners_stance_caught_arod_bo-1.html
It took 4 years to indict this guy?? Maybe he can get Arnold Schwarzeneger to testify how beneficial steroids are and Bill Clinton on how lying to grand juries is the proper thing to do.
What I feel is the worst of all, is once again a cheater has raised a bar. McGuire cheated first and now Bonds, which makes the single season HR record basically impossible to reach by any decent honest player. You would have to cheat to break it.
If both Miguel and Santana are available, I can see a scenario where whichever team loses out on Cabrera will go for Santana. Like we always say here – you can never have enough great pitching … and Santana is the best.
I for one still view Aaron and Maris as career and single season home run champs respectively. It’s immeasurable how much these roid heads (McGwire, Bonds, Sosa) have screwed up our game. The single season HR record stands for 37 years then out of the blue, it’s broken 6 times in a 4 year period. Now, when ever a player turns in an outstanding performance, there is a hint of suspicion towards his achievement. That’s the real damage here. Now there is a possibility that Bonds will go to prison. Hope it was worth it.
Don’t want Bonds to go to jail.Mlb needs to erase all runs scored during the years in question,and put Babe Ruth back where he really should be now ,behind Hammerin Hank.While we wait for Alex.The record should be stripped from Bonds,and he never inducted into the Hof.If the Babe has to be third to anyone, let it be because of another Yankee.
I’m waiting for Mark Macguire to get chatged too,so that Mlb restores the single season HR record back to Maris.
I think that the seasons for Bonds, Sosa, and Macguire should be erased and forgotten. No HOF, No Records, No memory. If everyone wants Bonds erased so bad they also should want Sosa and MacGuire. Bunch of no good cheaters ruining the great name that is baseball. A national past-time turned into lies and cheating, it just isnt right.
I believe these “Lowell” to Yanks rumors were intentionally leaked by the Yanks to drive up his price and # of years if Boston is still considering him. You won’t hear Lowell’s camp deny this as it benefits them too.
I cannot, for the life of me, see the Yanks giving up a 1st round draft choice, especially to the Sox, unless Cash and Hank are doing way too much partying in Tampa.
On the other hand, if this (Lowell to Yanks) is in fact true, it puts Boston in a bad situation, trying to replace his glove and bat. Landing somebody like Cabrera might cost them somebody like Buchholz, though I suspect that the Sox will only use Clay to get a Santana. Still, it’ll cost the Sox somehow.