American League MVP revealed today
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Is there any word, whether or no he will do the phone call?
I think Phelps will get a lot of votes and be a darkhorse winner.
It would be really funny if it ended up being Jorge Posada…
LOL, Phelps.
there is an Arod special on ESPN at 2pm est today. Should be good
Hmmm, is the Arod special anything like meatloaf or is it prime rib?
A Rod will be on the conference call, whew!!!
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11.....973144.htm
Well….
Seeing as that Feinsand left Josh Beckett entirely off his Cy Young ballot, then I could see some Boston Sox-based beat writer, a Cafardo, or Edes, maybe Tony ‘wishes he was Soprano’ Massarotti totally leaving A-Rod off a ballot.
The rivalry even transcends into the media covering the teams… Wasn’t there almost a brawl at the Sox reporters vs. Yankees reporters softball game this summer?
C’mon Pete…give us the dirty details… Who did you drop a people’s elbow on? Tell me it was Shaughnessy….
After last years MVP voting and that guy from Chicago voting jeter 6th nothing would be a suprise and it should not be a surprise
Googlie Eyes
the A-Rod special is champagne, caviar and a side of bologna
I could see the writer’s love for “ole’crooked-mary-legs” (Beckett) influence the vote for MVP this year
to someone like me who has been at UMass for this whole fall, the only positive talk i get on the yankees on tv is ESPN. So to me it will be prime rib. Now the stuff on NESN that is bologna.
“that guy from Chicago voting jeter 6th nothing would be a suprise and it should not be a surprise”
That was totally ridiculous. I usually don’t enjoy mike and the mad dog (turns out I hate being shouted at by idiots, go figure), but they TORE HIM APART with actual solidly logical arguments when they had him on the show. It was great. He started talking about how Jeter hadn’t been THAT special in 06, and how it’s not a lifetime achievement award. Then, they asked why Ortiz was so high on his ballot, and he started talking about how he’d been so clutch ever since he came to the Sox. Whoops.
Personally, I would’ve picked Jeter or Mauer. I mean…providing the offensive support they did from premier defensive positions, that’s just more important that extra homers from a 1B.
Anyhow.
They’ll be no doubt who Gammons will vote for. Even though he’s primarily with ESPN, he’s still a voting member of the Baseball Writers Association of America.
Him voting against one of his Sox players ? Ha !
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....able_papi/
Not sure if this guy has a vote, but he’d vote for Big Papi.
i don’t think it will be unanimous. every year the voters get stupider.
Morneau was simply embarrassing last year.
I have to go along with those who think A-Rod’s vote won’t be unanimous – because once again, the Red Sox envy will raise it’s ugly head and the Boston writers won’t be able to get over themselves and vote for a Yankee. Even if that Yankee has achieved success that supercedes anyone else in the game today and probably ever. These awards are starting to become passe due to the fact that there are too many voters who bring predjudice to the process.
Not to rip Feinsand in my original post… He made very good points as to why he left Beckett off his ballot, good argument.
So, it wasn’t over somthing silly like a personal vendetta. Anyone remember when George King cost Pedro Martinez the MVP award because he left him off the ballot— ’99 I think…?
Funny stuff…
Jeter should have won the MVP award that year anyway.
Mel,
The no-talent a$s-clown that wrote the article link you posted, Jason Tuohey, is a crack member of the Boston.com site of talented-yet-never-heard-of sports writers
HE BELONGS IN THE SHED WITH THE REST OF THE TOOLS….
And no, thankfully, he’s about 10 years away from getting a vote…
Agreed Mary. For that Boston writer to sit and pick numbers that look favorable to ORtiz as the reason he should win is laughable. I didn’t read the entire thing, but did he bring up Alex’s clutch numbers in the 8th/9th inning this yeaR?
Shamus,
LOL. Sounded like a stat head. I still think that the MVP should be a position player. He’s got no leg to stand on with that one. Funny how intangibles like leadership count for Ortiz, but not Jeter…
JORGE FOR MVP
Gammons will vote for Beckett or Mike Lowell
Now, Jorge for MVP isn’t that far-fetched of a notion… I bet he snags somewhere between 3rd and 6th.
Who else from th AL…?
Any pitchers catch any votes?
Maybe some fool in Ohio throws an MVP vote to CC or Fausto?
Some pot-smoking hippy reporter from SoCal decides Lackey was the MVP?
Watch someone from the Northeast try to vote Jacoby Ellsbury or Dustin “Hair Club for” Pedroia MVP…
Are sports writers subject to drug testing? Does it depend on the paper?
If I had to be the beat writer for Tampa Bay, KC, Baltimore, etc… I would probably have to take drugs before work every night just to try and be creative about the terrible baseball I’d be watching, day after day!
I was at the Bruce show in Boston last night as well. Great show. I got a kick out that when Bruce made his comment about the World Champions. I got to meet the big man after the show.
New England fans think the Socks are supposed to run away with every award in sight. They’re very delusional and very bandwagonal.
FYI: White Sox just traded Jon Garland to the Angels for SS Orlando Cabrera.
We usually hit Garland right? So thats one game we’ll win against the halo’s.
Anyone who thinks A-Rod is a great player doesn’t watch every inning of every game. He fails in 90% of clutch situations. His 0 for 27 in the playoffs the last few years with runners on shows that there is something mentally wrong with him. You can’t have that much talent and fail so dramatically. Maybe you can understand 5 for 27 against tough pitching but ZERO hits? Even a pitcher can top that! Anyone who says there are 8 other hitters on the team doesn’t realize that A-Rod is the cleanup hitter and “MVP” so he should be the best on the team in the clutch not the worst! During the season he also fails but it’s less evident unless you watch every at bat. A-Rod is great at tacking on runs against mop up relievers or hitting a home run to make it a 6-3 loss instead of a 6-1 loss. This is how he accumulates the huge numbers. I’m sure the Yankees can win at least the same amount of games with Betamit at 3rd and maybe more since the chemistry on the team would be better. A-Rod has very few friends on the team and there is a reason for that. I’m a true blue Yankees fan of 37 seasons and I can’t stand to watch A-Rod play for my team. Have I been missing something positive about him? And what about the Red Sox. The Yankees beat them out for A-Rods services and they have gone on to win 2 World Series without him!! I rest my case.
a move trading Cabrera makes me think they’re trading for Miguel Carbera when its all said and done. Besides Vladdy, Cabrera was one of the only other bats in that lineup that could do anything. now they’ve really got nothing.
man, these comments are going slow today…
in the meantime, vote for joba
http://www.espn.go.com/mag/?lp.....d=tab8pos1
This guy “Juan Gonzalez is just trying to get attention. Obviously his “37 years” as a Yankee fan didn’t include last season. Don’t get me wrong I was a mad as anyone over what happened after the season ended, but, we got the best player in the game back without giving up anything.
The Yanks would not have made the playoffs without him last year, period. He also performed better in the playoffs than several other starters (cough, Jeter, cough). What are you missing about him? Do you really want an answer to that question or are you just trying to be provacative?
I guess he would rather have traded some of our young pitchers for Joe Crede.
TurnTwo -
The Angels have two of the best shortstop prospects in all of baseball – Brandon Wood and Erick Aybar
One will become the starting shortsop, and one could get traded in a deal for Miguel Cabrera
The JUAN GONZALEZ
commenter is a joke.
yeah, a package of Adenhart, Wood, and Jeff Mathis could prob get it done on the Angels end. Brandon Wood was drafted as a SS, but it’s believed that he’ll settle in at 3B.
It was reported that the Marlins insisted on the Angels included Howie Kendrick in any package for Cabrera, but i guess we’ll see.
And the Angels may trade a prospect.
Like that will ever happen.
A-Rod not clutch?
I guess some guys didn’t watch any games ladt year.
And since when is 40+ homers a yr and 100 rbi’s not clutch?
They all don’t come when the team is down 12-1.
Ridiculous.
I think that Angels/White Sox trade pretty much tells you they are going all in on Miguel Cabrera.
He should be an Angel shortly.
“I think that Angels/White Sox trade pretty much tells you they are going all in on Miguel Cabrera.”
Which means they’re probably not in play for Santana:-)
It also seems odd, given that they already had a full rotation. Maybe they’re doing this so that they can include one of their young MLB-experienced pitchers in a deal for Cabrera. Ervin Santana, or maybe even Jered Weaver.
Hey!!!!!
What’s happening!!!!!
Not a single post on the Santana trade.
You guys are slipping.
Santana trade????
I’ll be shocked if the Angels give up 3 Grade A prospects for Cabrera.
I see him playing for Torre in ’08.
There is no Santana trade.
“During the season he also fails but it’s less evident unless you watch every at bat. A-Rod is great at tacking on runs against mop up relievers or hitting a home run to make it a 6-3 loss instead of a 6-1 loss. This is how he accumulates the huge numbers.”
please, by all means back this up with some FACTS and then we can start a debate.
i’ll wait.
I cannot believe Cabrera is older than Alex…and traded to the white sox no less.
“I’ll be shocked if the Angels give up 3 Grade A prospects for Cabrera.
I see him playing for Torre in ‘08.”
Implying that the Dodgers will?
The Angels just traded away a bat for a pitcher for whom they have no room. They’re going to get a bat, whether it’s Cabrera or Tejada. And they’re going to trade away an MLB starter for it. That’s something the Dodgers can’t do, I don’t think.
A-Rod HRs relative to score:
Rel Score
+4.. 67
+3 41
+2 32
+1 58
Tied 146
-1 62
-2 33
-3 26
-4.. 53
331 career HRs w/in +/- 2 runs.
your turn.
“please, by all means back this up with some FACTS and then we can start a debate.”
Ooh, post his late/close numbers from 07. Maybe that will set this idiot in his place. I’d do it, but I hate looking up splits. And I need to read this research paper in the next hour.
HMm where did you find that info?
From MLB and Rotoworld:
“Alex Rodriguez said Sunday that contract negotiations with the Yankees are “in the bottom of the fifth inning.
Thankfully he still has a little time to pad his contract-negotiating stats before the clutch negotiating begins.”
Wow! Ya think the MVP award increases his contract another $50 Million??
You obviously don’t know Ned Colletti and the pedigree he has if you don’t think the Dodgers will move some/most of their prospects this winter.
And Billingsley/Kershaw are better than any pitcher the Angels can put up not named Lackey.
Forget stats. We can see with our own eyes how clutch A Rod was last yr and how he carried a team on his back.
If you don’t think that you are biased and you should really stop posting because you are embarrassing yourself.
“HMm where did you find that info?”
http://www.baseball-reference......038;type=b
Now that Rivera is locked up can we concentrate on getting Johan here?
Thanks. Did I read that right, he’s only hit 1 homerun on a 3-0 count?
more fun facts:
career “close and late”: .280/.376/.538
career in tie games: .300/.399/.579
career within 1 run: .305/.399/.590
career in August: .322/.398/.629
career in September: .284/.377/.542
2007 “close and late”: .357/.439/.686
2007, 2 out RISP: .318/.448/.776
2007 tie game: .276/.399/.577
2007 w/in 1 run: .316/.419/.684
Parker where did you hear/read that it was official? I”ve only read that he was expected to accept.
I don’t know if it’s already been posted here but I just read somewhere that the Twins have offered Santana a $97 Mil contract for, I believe five years.No comment on his comments, if any.
By the way, this business about MVP voting controversies goes right back to Joe D. and Ted Williams. I’m pretty sure it was a BOSTON writer who either didn’t list Ted or listed him far down in the vote, allowing Di Mag to win (it may have been 41 when Ted hit 400 and Joe D has is 56 game hitting streak.)
Mike Lowell staying with the soxs for 3 years.
Congratulations, Alex. Received all but 2 first place votes.
“Thanks. Did I read that right, he’s only hit 1 homerun on a 3-0 count?”
yes.
he has had 251 plate appearances with a 3-0 count. of those 251 plate appearances, he has walked 238 times.
that leaves only 11 official ABs after a 3-0 count.
he is 6-11 in those ABs with 3 doubles and 1 HR.
lot of “unintentional-intentonial” walks i guess.
They just announced that A-Rod is the MVP, of course. I haven’t heard the vote totals yet.
A-Rod wasn’t unanimous. Magglio Ordonez got two first place votes from Detroit writers.
thanks hmmm I didn’t take that into account.
HOW DID MAGGS GET TWO VOTES?
Joe do we know where they placed Alex?
That’s okay, we don’t really want Lowell (no offense to him, but he’s a better fit for Fenway than YS)
If Joe is correct, then Boston writer(s) voted for Alex.
For those asking, it looks like A-Rod was 2nd on the Detroit writers ballots.
so just read some talk about the yankees possibly wanting Ron Mahay anyone know much about this guy?
It’s a disgrace he didn’t get every first place vote.
“You obviously don’t know Ned Colletti and the pedigree he has if you don’t think the Dodgers will move some/most of their prospects this winter.”
You obviously haven’t read the article on MLB.com where he talks about how his “prospects” aren’t prospects anymore…they’re playing in the bigs and he doesn’t want to trade them. Kemp, Ethier, guys like that.
Also…the Dodgers need their pitching. They won’t cavalierly trade it. Yeah, they could certainly swing the deal for Cabrera. But I really don’t think the Angels would have made this deal if they weren’t on the verge of making a deal for a hitter. You don’t do this to maybe free up a pitcher for a deal you might make. You do this because you’re about to trade someone out of your rotation.
Mahay looks mediocre and like he has injury issues.
“so just read some talk about the yankees possibly wanting Ron Mahay anyone know much about this guy?”
it’s funny, i was just looking at his stats from last year after browsing a list of free agents.
WHOZAT
great just we need is the possibility of another guy who likes to get hurt on our team.
“great just we need is the possibility of another guy who likes to get hurt on our team.”
Whoo!
I was basing that thought on what I saw on thebaseballcube, who mysteriously have no 2007 MLB stats for Mahay, so it looked like he played seven games or something last season. That’s not true, he actually had a good season, and in the AL. So maybe he’s not an injury risk like I thought. However, with Romero getting a gazillion dollars and Jamie Walker – another old lefty – getting 4 years on his deal last offseason, Mahay may command a 3-4 year deal, which would just be outrageous for how inconsistent he’s been. I’d not take him on more than a 2 year deal. We’ll see.
If they aren’t prospects than why you going on and on about Colletti keeping them??? I also forget the memon that says take every GM at his word and every GM is 100% honest in talking about what the teams plans are.
You sound so naive, “whozat”.
The Dodgers have the best system in the game. They need a power hitting, 3b. Hmmmmm. Sounds like a match made in trade heaven.
And name me one trade the Angels have made when they traded prospects. One. I dare you. The Angels getting Garland just shored up the startinbg staff. They weren’t dealing from a surplus there. Colon is gone. Santana is a huge disappointment. So it’s Lackey-Escobar-Weaver-Garland-Saunders
They didn’t make this trade to trade Weaver, Aybar and Adenhart to Florida.
“Mahay may command a 3-4 year deal, which would just be outrageous for how inconsistent he’s been. I’d not take him on more than a 2 year deal. We’ll see.”
You’re so gracious taking him on a 2 yr deal. I’m sure the Mahay’s will be glad about your generosity. Trouble is the market sets the rate and if a scrub like Romero gets 3 yrs you can count on Mahay getting 3 for sure.
Torre didn’t sign with LA to develop minor leaguers. He wants to win right away and if he has a chance to get Cabrera for a few prospects they won’t hesitate.
So now what does it look like for the FA agents we havnt resigned yet. And which ones are possibly coming back?
“If they aren’t prospects than why you going on and on about Colletti keeping them???”
Because they’re the guys people are asking for.
“The Dodgers have the best system in the game. They need a power hitting, 3b. Hmmmmm.”
Are they trading some of their starting outfield for him?
Dude…did I just say that they could easily swing a deal for them? Yes. I also said that they can’t part with pitching.
Also, do the Angels have a new GM? Yes! Did I also say they may be trading for Tejada and NOT Cabrera? Yes!
Basically, I wrote a well-reasoned post that acknowledged all possibilities with the information that I have (including that teams still like Santana – one bad year for a 24 year old does not a “bust” make), and you called me naive because you’re too lazy to go read and understand what I’m talking about.
So, in sum, shove it.
“You’re so gracious taking him on a 2 yr deal. ”
And what’s your problem? I’m saying that I wouldn’t sign him to more than a two year deal. I didn’t say he should be gracious for it, nor did I say he wouldn’t get a 3 year deal somewhere. In fact, I’m pretty sure that “command a 3-4 year deal” means EXACTLY that I think he’ll get a 3-4 year deal somewhere.
Stats are deceiving in baseball but that fact is that A-Rod has a mental block like Knobluach had. Otherwise how can you explain 0 for 27 with runners on in the playoffs? Even I know he’s not that bad. As for the stats of when he hits his home runs. Like I said, they don’t tell the whole story! Those stats don’t tell you the game situation and who was pitching. There are only 20 or 30 times a year that a player comes up to bat in a really clutch situation against a tough pitcher in a game where that at bat can decide the outcome. You need to watch every game to notice those situations and how a players performs in them. A-Rod has failed much to often in those spots. Watch the game, not box scores!
Whozat,
You are really naive if you think Colletti won’t trade prospects for veterans. And just because a guy has 150 at bats in the majors doesn’t make him a non prospect anymore.
Cabrera is a difference maker in a lineup. If you can get him by surrendering 3 prospects from your loaded minor league system you do it. And maybe you should go peruse Baseball America and read up on the Dodgers farm system before you run your mouth off.
Juan Gonzalez.
Please bugger off.
No one is listening to your anti Yankee garbage.
I’d rather have Billingsly, Kershaw and LaRoche than anything the Angels have.
I think whozat just picks something out at random to argue about daily here. No rhyme or reason.
I understand waiting for Santana but Cabrera would be a nice addition to the lineup and you can put him at 1b.
Considering we’ve had a blackhole at 1b and still produce over 900 runs. Would be nice to actually have someone there who can produce.
Someone get whozat some decaf.
STAT!
Santana over Cabrera. We need starting pitching.
Thanks for laughs, Juan G.
“You need to watch every game to notice those situations and how a players performs in them. A-Rod has failed much to often in those spots. Watch the game, not box scores!”
i do watch every game.
why does everyone who can’t back up their points with facts resort to this argument??
>why does everyone who can’t back up their points with facts >resort to this argument??
There are aspects to baseball that you just have to experience through watching every game. Chemistry on a team is something you can’t measure through stats. The Yankees in 1996 for example didn’t have the best team but they had the right types of players and the right chemistry. A-Rod brings a team only stats. Jeter, Posada, Rivera, Oneil, Pettitte , etc. are the types of players that win. A-Rod is the type of player that folds under pressure. I don’t care how much money he makes or what his personality is like. If he came through in the clutch I would be happy he is on the team, but the guy is poor performer when it matters most and he is a below average 3rd baseman. I cut him some slack in the field because 3rd isn’t his position but if you want some stats what about 0 for 27 in the playoffs with runners on base? Isn’t that a face? You have to wonder what is wrong with him. For a ninth place hitter maybe you can imagine that possibility but how can an MVP type player do that? I’d like to see Ortiz or Ramirez have that problem but it never seems to happen to them! I guess they just have what it takes and A-Rod does not. He will still hit 800 home runs but will the Yankees win in the playoffs with him? I’ve been waiting 4 years and I don’t trust that he can change. If he does I’ll be happy to say I was wrong.
I would rather have Daisuke Matsuzaka at bat in a clutch situation in the playoffs. Anyone who backs up arod with stats is being an idiot. You can not measure everything with stats. It’s a lot easier in the playoffs to see how a player does. All of those games mean a lot and arod obviously chokes really bad or no one would be talking about this. Even his team mates know he chokes and they try to help him, it was in sports illustrated and confirmed by Giambi. Arod is no Reggie Jackson and the Yankees are 1 win and 4 loses in playoffs series with the best player in the game on their team, that’s all the stats you need. I think they did a little better without him.