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Rodriguez named MVP again

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 19, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

You love him, you hate him, you can’t live without him and now he’s the MVP again.

Alex Rodriguez received 26 of a possible 28 first-place votes. The other two (apparently cast by members of his family) went to Magglio Ordonez.

Jorge Posada was sixth and Derek Jeter 11th.

Here is the official release from the BBWAA with the voting breakdown.

UPDATE, 2:13 p.m.: There are times when I cringe for my profession and this is one of them. The two writers who didn’t vote for A-Rod are from Michigan: Tom Gage of the Detroit News and Jim Hawkins of The Oakland Press.

Detroit finished eight games behind Cleveland in its division and six games out of the playoffs. Ordonez had a very good season (.363/.434/.595). But that doesn’t beat .314/.422/.645 for an infielder. A-Rod’s season was one of the 10 best in the history of the game.

Gage and Hawkins did vote A-Rod second, at least. But not picking him first is indefensible in my opinion. A-Rod hit .241 with one homer and three RBI against the Tigers, so that will probably come up. Like it matters.

 
 

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438 Responses to “Rodriguez named MVP again”

  1. Mr. Vegas November 19th, 2007 at 2:03 pm

    C’mon, quit joshing. Who really won?

  2. Ed in SF November 19th, 2007 at 2:04 pm

    Jeter was 11th? Wow.

  3. JL November 19th, 2007 at 2:04 pm

    wooohooo. Let’s dance!

  4. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge November 19th, 2007 at 2:06 pm

    How the heck was Posada 6th? He had one of the best if not best years of any catcher and he’s 6th!! That is an even bigger injustice than Magglio getting 2 votes!

  5. Brandon (WELCOME BACK ALEX !!!) November 19th, 2007 at 2:06 pm

    what the hell did Jetes do for 11th best in the AL ?

  6. Brandon (WELCOME BACK ALEX !!!) November 19th, 2007 at 2:07 pm

    I got no problem w/ HIP HIP !!! …. getting 6th, he was that damn good in the league..HIP HIP !!!!

  7. gayle November 19th, 2007 at 2:08 pm

    If you are not blinded by the green background here is how the voting broke down

    http://www.baseballwriters.org.....L_mvp.html

  8. CaptainsCorner November 19th, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    Let me guess who gave Magglio 2 1st place votes….The writers from Boston and or Detroit. Pathetic….

  9. whozat November 19th, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    Yeah, why does baseballwriters.org have a website designed by a teenager from the mid-90s?

    At least there’s nothing blinking

  10. Joe November 19th, 2007 at 2:12 pm

    CaptainsCorner, 2 Detroit writers gave Magglio the 1st place votes. This from the AP…
    The only two first-place votes that didn’t go to Rodriguez were from Tom Gage of The Detroit News and Jim Hawkins of The Oakland Press in Pontiac, Mich.

  11. Brandon (WELCOME BACK ALEX !!!) November 19th, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    heck I’d rate Hip Hip Jorge over Maggs in this voting too, if Alex wasn’t that good this season Hip Hip Jorge would have been the MVP :)

  12. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge November 19th, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    How did Vladimir Guerrero place ahead of him?

  13. mel November 19th, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    gayle,

    Thanks. It’s so funny, when I clicked back to this page, it looked blue for a while.

    Vlad beat out Papi. lol. Papi got the team of all stars treatment that’s usually reserved for Jeter.

    No breakdown of the voters’ ballots, yet?

  14. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    Posada should have been third, not sixth.

    Hell, he shudda been second.

  15. Don Capone November 19th, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    Hey Gayle,

    Thanks for the link. And you’re right, that green hurt my eyes. Abreu got a vote, and Morneau got one measly little 8th place vote.

    And what did Jeter do to finish 11th? Only another season of over 200 hits, 100 runs, along with a .322 average and 39 doubles.

  16. hmmm November 19th, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    both votes for Magglio came from Michigan writers.

    it made no difference this year, but how does stuff like this continue to be allowed? it’s a joke.

    if you can’t be objective, you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

    now, you might say, OBJECTIVELY they thought Magglio should win and it’s not like he didn’t have a great season.

    but simple logic tells me if that was the case, there would have been more voters from outside Michigan who shared that view.

  17. mel November 19th, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    I would be o.k. with the Detroit votes if Mags helped Detroit to the playoffs. But Alex helping dig the Yankees out from the huge hole they were in at the ASB was truly impressive.

  18. Don Capone November 19th, 2007 at 2:17 pm

    From espn.com:

    The only two first-place votes that didn’t go to Rodriguez were from Tom Gage of The Detroit News and Jim Hawkins of The Oakland Press in Pontiac, Mich.

  19. sunny615 November 19th, 2007 at 2:17 pm

    I’m Blind! I’m BLIND!!

  20. hmmm November 19th, 2007 at 2:19 pm

    Jeter had merely an OK season by his own lofty standards. he was not the 11th most valuable player in the league.

    he was only the 3rd best player in his own infield.

    he was fighting some injuries so i expect him to bounce back a bit next season.

    all that said, i don’t get too upset about players way down on the ballot. most voters probably think hard about their top 5 then just fill out the rest.

    not really a big deal.

  21. sunny615 November 19th, 2007 at 2:20 pm

    Can’t wait to hear Jim Hawkin’s explanation. Tom Gage’s I can wager a guess.

  22. rbj November 19th, 2007 at 2:22 pm

    My eyes! Ow!

    Strip those Detroit writers of their vote.

  23. sunny615 November 19th, 2007 at 2:22 pm

    Heard that Mo is now looking for an option year on top of the 3 guaranteed years.

  24. Propaghandi November 19th, 2007 at 2:22 pm

    Those sons-a-bitches…

  25. mel November 19th, 2007 at 2:22 pm

    On another note, I am waiting for the Peter Gammons article on how Arod’s season was great, but nothing can beat a World Series Championship ring/MVP Award/etc. I am willing to bet my next paycheck it will come, watch!

    Perusing the comments at the espn article about the mvp and had to chuckle at this one. Gammons wrote a blog entry about CC getting the CY, but it was a consolation prize to Beckett’s ring. Gammons used to try to be impartial, but with all of Boston’s success now he doesn’t even try to hide it anymore. But that’s o.k. It just takes away from his journalistic integrity. Just a little.

  26. KyleLitke November 19th, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    Pretty much a joke that anyone other than A-Rod got a first place vote, and shows one of the problems with the system. It obviously didn’t matter here, but it could matter in, say, the NL MVP vote, where a single vote could change the whole thing.

    Had Detroit made the playoffs I could have understood the idea that “Well, he was more valuable to his team based on the rest of the team not being as good”. But they didn’t. He didn’t have better numbers than A-Rod, his team didn’t make the playoffs, and he wasn’t more valuable.

  27. Phil November 19th, 2007 at 2:26 pm

    Po should have finished third.

  28. gayle November 19th, 2007 at 2:28 pm

    ESPN will show the press conference or so they say

  29. Wouter November 19th, 2007 at 2:33 pm

    Thank God. I was getting sick of those articles with “A-Rod, who is expected to be named MVP on Monday…”

    btw, Lowell & the Sox agree to a 3-year deal. How dare they try to upstage this! ;)

  30. Sherri November 19th, 2007 at 2:34 pm

    Why would they put that loud background on there???????

  31. Sherri November 19th, 2007 at 2:36 pm

    Congrats to A-Rod on AL MVP!!! It definitely went to the most deserving candidate!! WAY TO GO, ALEX!!!

  32. jonnycat November 19th, 2007 at 2:37 pm

    When is the press conference? Did i miss something?

  33. andrew33 November 19th, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    Lowell signing for about 38mm over 3 years, not a bad deal for the Redsox, but I dont think he comes close to last years numbers ever again.
    I’ve certainly noticed a trend of the Yankees having to pay up to keep the “true yankees” while the sox stick to their guns. Hopefully the 350mm plus thats been doled out ends up in a title in the not so distant future.

    Good for Arod, but I’m already sick of hearing about Buffett and Goldman Sachs and whether or not Pettite comes back.
    Enough of the soap opera, lets win some games in November, at these prices its inexcusale not to.

  34. andrew33 November 19th, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    October that is not November

  35. gayle November 19th, 2007 at 2:42 pm

    They said that on ESPN during Outside the Lines at 3PM EST they would show Arod MVP press conference

  36. Matt November 19th, 2007 at 2:42 pm

    Those two writers are morons.

    Show Joba some support! Lets see him representing NEXT on ESPN Magazine!

    http://www.espn.go.com/mag/?

  37. Jay D. November 19th, 2007 at 2:43 pm

    Two years in a row Yankees get screwed by the writers. This year the Michigan based writers vote for Magglio. Last year the Canadian based writers voted for Morneau over Jeter. IMO, there’s no excuse for either. It’s so obvious the votes aren’t based on what happens on the field. The Jeter vote really bugged me b/c it was such a close vote.

    If only there were a way to correct this bias. Sadly, I’m not sure how that can ever be done.

    J

    http://boogiedownbaseball.mlblogs.com

  38. A-Point November 19th, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    andrew33, It seems there are a few games that the Yankees have won in November… A-Rod, Posada, possibly Mariano – although if that rumor about a 4th option year after the report that the would have accepted 2 years is not helping Mo’s image.

  39. hmmm November 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pm

    “I’ve certainly noticed a trend of the Yankees having to pay up to keep the “true yankees” while the sox stick to their guns. Hopefully the 350mm plus thats been doled out ends up in a title in the not so distant future.”

    the difference is that had the yankees “stuck to their guns” on Posada or A-Rod, someone else would have signed them.

    i don’t think lowell had any other offers. just rumors.

  40. A-Point November 19th, 2007 at 2:48 pm

    Make the two Detroit writers have to drive to cover each of thier games in a Yugo.

  41. A-Point November 19th, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    Lowell is a decent guy, but his value is over rated. Next year he will return to “normal”.

  42. Reality Check November 19th, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    Gammons is nothing more than a shill for the bosux. He is a complete joke. I can’t even bring myself to hate him he is so pathetic.

  43. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    Michael Vick has turned himself in.

  44. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge November 19th, 2007 at 2:56 pm

    I am very confused on this Mo thing. For the last few days we’ve heard he will accept the 3 year deal. I even read that he would have taken 2 with an option for a third, and he never wanted the 4th year. He was shocked to hear that, didn’t know where it came from. Now someone just posted that Mo wants a 4th option year. Please someone straighten this out!!

  45. Sherri November 19th, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    ESPN said A-Rod up next… don’t konw if it’s just the announcement or if they’ll talk to Alex.

  46. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge November 19th, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    First Lowell upstages the Arod MVP announcement, now Vick has to upstage it by turning himself in!! THE NERVE!!

  47. Mike R. November 19th, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    That Jeter is such a one upper! He can’t stand for A-Rod to get the spotlight. A-Rod is #1 in the MVP voting so Jeter goes out and gets two 1′s. Not nice.

  48. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge November 19th, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    espn radio? OR tv. I have wfan on, and they aren’t even talking about it. They are talking about trains.

  49. Virgin Islands November 19th, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    “”Lowell is a decent guy, but his value is over rated. Next year he will return to “normal”.”" Hey A-Point. can I borrow your crystal ball??

    By the way. Didn’t everyone hate PayRod a few days ago???

  50. Sherri November 19th, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    ESPN TV

  51. G. Love November 19th, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    Congrats to Arod.

    He deserved the MVP this season and he earned it. That said, I hope the next MVP he wins is for the ALCS and WS.

    As for Lowell, anyone else think the timing of the announcement of his signing was done to coincide with Arod’s winning the MVP, lol?

    I really don’t think the Red Sox aren’t jumping for joy here after getting Lowell back.

    I think they were hoping Lowell (and Schilling for that matter) were going to go cash in and decline on someone else’s team.

    Theo was probably drooling over the draft choices he thought he’d get for both Lowell and Schilling leaving as free agents.

    The public sentiment for Lowell and the fact that he took the 3 year deal put them in a corner.

    I’m happy Lowell’s not a Yankee. I’m sure he’s a great guy and great in the clubhouse, but there was a reason why other teams weren’t exactly beating the door down for him.

    The numbers away from Fenway stood out, not to mention that he was on the baseball scap heap a couple of seasons ago as one of those guys who suddenly lost his mojo.

    I don’t think he’s going to match the production from 2007 for the length of this deal.

  52. Mike R. November 19th, 2007 at 3:03 pm

    Unless the Red Sox shock everyone by pleying their home games in Petco the Lowell siging will work out well for them. He was born to hit off the wall at Fenway. I don’t think he’ll repeat this years performance, but he’ll be better than any other 3B option that was available this year.(With the obvious exception of A-Rod.

  53. Mike R. November 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pm

    I am typing like a drunk monkey today. That should be “playing” and “signing”.

  54. NYPD113th November 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pm

    Speaking of MVP’s, the 2007 World Series MVP re-signs with Boston. 3 yrs/$37 mil

  55. iYankees November 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pm

    Magglio did a good job this season. It’s a shame he hit so well yet had to compete with A-Rod for the MVP. Dont get me wrong, I’m happy a Yankee won it. However, A-Rod could possibly put up another year similar to this one in the future and Magglio probably wont. Either way, this is the voting process. There is no such thing as objectivity, so I won’t harp on the writers.

  56. Vinny November 19th, 2007 at 3:10 pm

    I think its time for the BBWAA to get rid of that geocities website…

  57. A-Point November 19th, 2007 at 3:12 pm

    Virgin Island – Red Saux fan…

    When a player is a career .273 hitter, and they have ONE SINGLE YEAR over .300, then its one of two things.

    PEDs or a blip. Now, which one do you think?

    Lowell has never before this past season hit in the .300′s. Never. He was traded as a giveaway/salary dump because he wasn’t that good.

    He is a decent player, but the likelihood of him repeating a performance like last season is laughable.

    Just like A-Rod will most likely not put up numbers like he did this past year again. In fact its far more likely that A-Rod will repeat than it is for Lowell to repeat.

    Gotta take off those Red Sox glasses you have on.

    BTW, I never was an A-Rod hater.

  58. Sherri November 19th, 2007 at 3:12 pm

    OMG – That is the background on their main website….that’s just awful – can’t they find someone to do a website for them???
    http://www.baseballwriters.org/

  59. marc November 19th, 2007 at 3:13 pm

    How does Ortiz get more mvp votes tha Lowell? Their own fans thought Lowell was their mvp. These writers don”t watch as much baseball as we might think. They’re too busy covering their own teams. Thankfully none of the Boston writers voted against Arod for #1.

  60. Adrian-Retire21 November 19th, 2007 at 3:13 pm

    Surpised A-Rod didn’t win every vote but still good for us.

    Also Pete for your begining sentence of we can’t live without him you also forgot he live without us.Because he wasn’t getting anything close to a contract like the one we gave him.

  61. raymagnetic November 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pm

    Speaking of MVP’s, the 2007 World Series MVP re-signs with Boston. 3 yrs/$37 mil

    Okay, and this matters why?

  62. A-Point November 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pm

    Boston writers didn’t vote against A-Rod because they were covering in case of Boston signing him up. Next year it will revert to form.

  63. John in Ohio November 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pm

    Writers have shown indefensible bias before in MVP voting, but never more flagrantly than in 1947 when Ted Williams WON THE TRIPLE CROWN, and only received 3 first place votes. Joe DiMaggio had an inferior year to Williams by all standards, but received 8 first place votes, and beat out Williams for the award by one point. I’m a big Yanks fan, but that was obviously ridiculous.

  64. NYY November 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pm

    Who ever provided that disgusting link for the BBWAA thanks so muc for blinding me.

  65. iYankees November 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    I think Ortiz helped out more than Lowell did for the Sox. With Manny gone for a good chunk of the season and with him not producing the way he normally does, Ortiz kind of held it all together. Granted, Lowell hit well all year too, but he wasn’t nearly as threatening as David Ortiz was at the plate.

  66. GUY November 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pm

    Remember in 2001 when Ichiro was rookie of the year and it didn’t matter that he played a long time in Japan but in 2003 Matsui didn’t win because a bunch of the sports writers said that they didn’t consider him a rookie because he played in Japan. A lot of these guys are a joke

  67. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 3:20 pm

    A-Point: Then how do you explain Posada?

  68. Andy November 19th, 2007 at 3:20 pm

    Those two should lose their votes.

    Like Crowley should have lost his last yr.

  69. marc November 19th, 2007 at 3:21 pm

    Manny did not get 1 vote…that is telling.

  70. hmmm November 19th, 2007 at 3:21 pm

    give credit to the boston writers for being professional.

    nothing sinister going on. a-rod was the obvious choice.

  71. marc November 19th, 2007 at 3:22 pm

    How does Guerrero out vote Lowell and Ortiz?

  72. Wayne Hills November 19th, 2007 at 3:22 pm

    The sports writers are quickly becoming a joke.

    It’s purely selfish.

    Now these two get to get their names read and heard and get to go on 500 different radio shows.

  73. pat November 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pm

    Someone asked the question the other day.
    A-Rod said, “I’d trade all 3 of the MVP for a WS Ring.”

    You can choose whether you believe him or not but that’s what he said.

  74. gayle November 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pm

    Just heard on WFAN a bit of the Arod teleconference and he said he would not except any questions about the off season stuff but just about last season BUT that he would address it shortly as there is a finish line in sight.

    This just Back up what I have been saying for weeks about the horrible excuse that Boras gave for Arod not going to the Hank Aaron Award thing that on top of him having a family committment that all of the media focus would be about what was happening off the field. All he needed to say was I am not answering those questions and stick with it and reporters would have quickly moved on.

  75. hmmm November 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pm

    “Like Crowley should have lost his last yr.”

    he *did* lose it i think.

  76. Virgin Islands November 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pm

    A Point,

    You are correct. Lowell had ONE SEASON over 300. That ONE SEASON he hit at Fenway A coincidence? NO. And “Saux”?? What are you, 7?

  77. A-Point November 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pm

    Rebecca–Optimist Prime
    November 19th, 2007 at 3:20 pm
    A-Point: Then how do you explain Posada?

    I guess he just had a good year. Just like Lowell. Both were above their normal levels in batting.

    Or were you talking about the votes for MVP? Did Posada get 1st place votes from Boston? If so, then there is funny math going on.

  78. Parker November 19th, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    Every scout in baseball said Lowell was done last yr and this spring. I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole in Yankee stadium for 4 yrs.

    Especially when Texeira is a FA next yr.

  79. Virgin Islands November 19th, 2007 at 3:27 pm

    Parker,

    You are right. Lowell should not be playing at The Stadium. Is he worth 38M over 3 years hitting in Fenway? Absolutely.

  80. hmmm November 19th, 2007 at 3:27 pm

    Lowell finished higher than he should have. i think people are overrating the year he had. remember, the voting comes before the playoffs.

    i’d have voted for Victor Martinez, Granderson, or Sizemore over Lowell.

  81. marc November 19th, 2007 at 3:28 pm

    So the redsox writers didn’t think Manny deserved a vote?

  82. A-Point November 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pm

    Virgin Islands
    November 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pm
    A Point,

    You are correct. Lowell had ONE SEASON over 300. That ONE SEASON he hit at Fenway A coincidence? NO. And “Saux”?? What are you, 7?

    So you just ignore the other year he played with Boston or was that in a different stadium?

    And, no I am not 7, but you sir are a moron. You saw he had one over .300 year, ignore the previous year where he was no threat whatsoever, and you call that logic. I guess you are spending too much time pickling your brain on run punch.

  83. marc November 19th, 2007 at 3:30 pm

    Lowell was a salary dump by the marlins. Sox didn;t even want him, he was a throw-in.

  84. Mike R. November 19th, 2007 at 3:31 pm

    What kind of deal do you think Tex will be looking for after this A-Rod blockbuster? 10 years/$200 million?

  85. marc November 19th, 2007 at 3:32 pm

    Granderson had a great year, I believe he’s a free agent soon, Yanks will have an eye on him. Don’t believe Melky has a long term future here.

  86. NYPD113th November 19th, 2007 at 3:34 pm

    Congrats to Arod on his regular season MVP.

  87. YankeesLuv November 19th, 2007 at 3:34 pm

    Come on Pete, deep down you love him too. He’s going to be here 10 more years, with Arod around they will probaly have to upgrade you to a bigger server again. Arod sells.
    Congrats to Arod! But how did Abreu, or even Jeter get a vote? I mean I love those guys but huh?

  88. marc November 19th, 2007 at 3:35 pm

    Tex might not want to do NY. He might have found a home in cozy Atl, but if they won’t pay him we will. Some guys don’t have the temperment for pressure packed NY. Or boston,
    see renteria.

  89. marc November 19th, 2007 at 3:36 pm

    What will happen to Abreu the 1st time Joe G. spots him lagging after a fly ball, the sparks will fly, Shelley will be out there and Bobby will sulk the rest of the season.

  90. Vertigo November 19th, 2007 at 3:41 pm

    Hey Pete

    I was wondering if you knew if Robert Kraft made it to last night’s Pats game because I think I saw him at the MLS Cup watching the Revs. If he didnt make it, do you know if Mini-Kraft was at the Buffalo game in his place?

  91. NYY November 19th, 2007 at 3:44 pm

    By the way in some realted news that may effect the 2008 AL race LA Angeles traded Orlando Cabrera for Jon Garland. What do u guys think of this trade. I think the Angels pitching just got a little bit better.

  92. ItalianGreco November 19th, 2007 at 3:45 pm

    Who cares about the Pats or their owners….

  93. mel November 19th, 2007 at 3:46 pm

    Vertigo,

    They showed the Kraft family in the visitor’s box. Owner, wife, and son.

    I was happy with the Patriot win, Rev loss, and Celtic’s 1st loss of the season.

  94. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge November 19th, 2007 at 3:46 pm

    Can someone help me out. How does a player go from hitting .296, to .236, to .284, to .324?

  95. ItalianGreco November 19th, 2007 at 3:47 pm

    It’s called the green monster..

  96. Vertigo November 19th, 2007 at 3:49 pm

    So Big Kraft and Little Kraft made it to the Buffalo game? Interesting

  97. the todd November 19th, 2007 at 3:49 pm

    jennifer, the same way career .270 something hitter jorge posada hits 330+ … contract year.

  98. S.o.S.27 November 19th, 2007 at 3:51 pm

    Lets hope his numbers dont go down like it has the previous times he’s won the award. Im not saying to produce 50+bombs 150 ribees. But 40+ 125 and a 310 batting avg. will work. The last time he won it he came back to produce 35, 286 avg. That will not be good enough for the talent that he posseses.

    Also, Im hoping that he stays relaxed like the past year. No huffing and puffing at the plate. No short arming his throws. Lets hope he really did figure out how to play in N.Y. and it wasnt because he didnt care much knowing he was bailing.

    He wanted to keep that highest paid player target on his back. He got his wish. With that will come with the same pressure as the last contract. As you can already tell im not his biggest fan. But I will cheer him on for the simple fact he wears our uniform. All I ask is one thing. M.V.P.ROD, SHOW ME #27!!! Yes we need pitching, but we also need more than 1 r.b.i.

  99. Wouter November 19th, 2007 at 3:52 pm

    NYY, Garland’s an OK pitcher, though his K/BB declined somewhat the past year.

    For the White Sox, it certainly beats having Juan Uribe and his 74 OPS+ (.284 OBP!!) at short, but they still have other problems, IMO.

    I think it could work out for the Angels, pitching-wise, but it also depends on who’s slated to play short for them.

  100. Brian (Red Sox Fan) November 19th, 2007 at 3:54 pm

    Vertigo ….. both Krafts made it to the Patriots’ game last night.

    P.S. I agree that ARod should have been a unanimous choice, but the MVP votes have a long history of biased ballots, e.g. (1) the year George King refused to list Pedro Martinez in his top 10 (because he’s a pitcher*), or (2) 1967, when one writer voted for Cesar Tovar (????) to deny Carl Yastrzemski a unanimous selection.

    * footnote – I believe that the first NL Cy Young award winner, Don Newcomb, also won the MVP award that year (1956) – negating the “the pitchers have their own award” argument.

  101. S.o.S.27 November 19th, 2007 at 3:55 pm

    Didnt we score 8 runs in the first inning last year against Garland, when we were down by 8?

    I love the trade. Now we can finally tee off on someone with the Angels not named Bartolo.

  102. raymagnetic November 19th, 2007 at 3:56 pm

    What will happen to Abreu the 1st time Joe G. spots him lagging after a fly ball, the sparks will fly, Shelley will be out there and Bobby will sulk the rest of the season.

    This is so not true. Truth is Abreu is still getting to lots of baseballs. More than he’s projected to catch actually.

    http://www.baseballmusings.com/

    Scroll down more than half way to see RF stats from 07. FYI, Hideki Matsui is getting to a lot of baseballs also. It’s funny how our eyes can deceive us sometimes.

  103. Miller November 19th, 2007 at 3:57 pm

    “All I ask is one thing. M.V.P.ROD, SHOW ME #27!!! Yes we need pitching, but we also need more than 1 r.b.i.”

    Amen. That really is the bottom line.

  104. Mike in RI November 19th, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    I see it being a loose/loose for Anaheim. At this point Cabrera is much more valuable than Garland. Garland may turn out to be a decent #3-4 starter, but Cabrera is a solid #2 hitter who plays an outstanding SS. Who the hell do the Angels think they are getting to replace one of the only bright spots they had?

  105. iYankees November 19th, 2007 at 4:01 pm

    People are hating on Vlad, but remember, he led his team to the postseason. Hes the only big bat in their lineup and once he was injured in the playoffs (and the end of the regular season) the Angels quickly got dispatched. Hes the definition of an MVP by all counts, leading his team, making them a contender, being very humble and, above all, hitting like a machine. Wish we had him on the Yanks.. if only lol… Damn Steinbrenner.

    http://www.thebronxzoo.wordpress.com

  106. saucy November 19th, 2007 at 4:01 pm

    i think it will be a long time before we see a pitcher win the MVP award again. i think too many sportswriters have adopted the “pitchers have their own award” mentality. hasn’t happened since 92 and used to happen a lot more often.

  107. marc November 19th, 2007 at 4:01 pm

    I’m a huge fan, like all of you in here and at one time wanted to go into sports reporting but as time goes on I have no regrets not “making it” in this field. I watch these sports talk shows and the tedium of it, my god. The endless minutia adinfinitum {is that right?} I’d rather relax and enjoy it.

  108. objectively speaking November 19th, 2007 at 4:01 pm

    Gammons will now come out of the closet. He won’t feel it necessary to use a smoke screen like in what he did this past season in singing Cleveland’s praises.
    John Henry should do two things for his Boston talk on ESPN by giving him a WS ring and replacing those yellow stumps in his yap.

  109. Detroit, What November 19th, 2007 at 4:01 pm

    Tom Gage’s email is tgage@detnews.com if anyone feels like razzing him directly. Jim Hawkins is at jim.hawkins@oakpress.com . Enjoy!

  110. Wouter November 19th, 2007 at 4:02 pm

    the todd,

    I think it’s somewhat simplistic to call Posada’s numbers this year (or Lowell’s for that matter) a question of “contract year”.

    Specifically, if we look at Posada, there appear to be several dimensions to it:
    - His K% is down, but only marginally (less automatic outs, he has put the ball in play a tad more)
    - He has hit more groundballs & linedrives than flyballs, compared to last year. These balls have a larger probability of falling for a hit.
    - Luck, and quite a bit of it. Jorge’s Babip this year was an astronomical .386. Compare this to his career mark of .319. This difference is partly accounted for by my second point, partly by luck.

  111. Mike R. November 19th, 2007 at 4:02 pm

    Granderson had a great year, I believe he’s a free agent soon, Yanks will have an eye on him. Don’t believe Melky has a long term future here.

    Curtis Granderson is a year away from arbitration eligibility. He’d have another three years after that before free agency. By that time I hope we have an all star CF by the name of Austin Jackson.

  112. Mike in RI November 19th, 2007 at 4:02 pm

    I think you mean ad nauseum. lol.

  113. Miller November 19th, 2007 at 4:04 pm

    “I’m a huge fan, like all of you in here and at one time wanted to go into sports reporting but as time goes on I have no regrets not “making it” in this field. I watch these sports talk shows and the tedium of it, my god. The endless minutia adinfinitum {is that right?} I’d rather relax and enjoy it.”

    What do you do now, marc?

  114. marc November 19th, 2007 at 4:04 pm

    …oh, and did I forget the sabrematricians?…remember when all we had were eyes? It was more fun then, and isn’t that what sports are all about? When did it become a science? Oh how I hated science.

  115. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge November 19th, 2007 at 4:06 pm

    Yeah and they get rid of Cabera who usually murders Yankee pitching ;D

  116. raymagnetic November 19th, 2007 at 4:07 pm

    jennifer, the same way career .270 something hitter jorge posada hits 330+ … contract year.

    This also isn’t true. Jorge hit .330 because his BABIP (Batting Average for Balls in Play) was like .400

    http://bugsandcranks.com/the-c.....ble-fluke/

  117. marc November 19th, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    Miller, retired insurance man.
    Mike in RI, that too!

  118. Mike R. November 19th, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    Don’t we face the Angels and the White Sox the same amount of times during the year? That kind of makes this a wash in my eyes.

  119. Brandon (WELCOME BACK ALEX !!!) November 19th, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    Angels are going after Santana I can feel it

  120. Dave November 19th, 2007 at 4:13 pm

    Is it really pettitte or santana on the yanks next season? Because if that is the case, I am actually rooting for pettitte to not come back. Id take Santana over pettitte any time of the decade. I wish we had a shot at signing castillo so we could trade cano in the deal – i dunno bout giving that guy 4 yrs tho. I would trade any one of Hughes, kennedy or wang and any two of cano, tabata, melky, sanchez or horne to get him. I think a package of kennedy, cano and tabata/melky may get it done. And if we throw in Sanchez of Horne (our two best minor league pitching prospects) for good measure, i think that deal is great for the twins. Kennedy, Cano, Melky/Tabata and Horne would be more than fair for a guy the twins will only have for one more season any way.

  121. marc November 19th, 2007 at 4:13 pm

    I mean I watch mike and the dog everyday and their jobs are tougher than they look but the ego you must have to go on and on like they do. It’s basically unwatchable. Inevitably a nap will ensue. Sports just might’ve replaced religion as the opiate of the people.

  122. S.o.S.27 November 19th, 2007 at 4:14 pm

    Talking about Minaya, he just signed Castillo. Does he know that there are other players in the league besides hispanics? Whats up with every signing being latin? I need to do my research and look into Wagners family tree. Whats next, changing the teams name. If so, what name would that be.

  123. Brandon (WELCOME BACK ALEX !!!) November 19th, 2007 at 4:15 pm

    Ervin Santana, Brandon Wood, Chone Figgins for Miguel Cabrera

    Jared Weaver, Adenhart for Johan Santana

    The Angels may have caught us sleeping :(

  124. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 4:16 pm

    A-Point: Sorry i took so long, but I was referring to Posada’s year above .300 when he’s a lifetime under .300 hitter ;)

  125. marc November 19th, 2007 at 4:16 pm

    sos 27, How about the Flushing something or others?

  126. raymagnetic November 19th, 2007 at 4:19 pm

    Talking about Minaya, he just signed Castillo. Does he know that there are other players in the league besides hispanics? Whats up with every signing being latin? I need to do my research and look into Wagners family tree. Whats next, changing the teams name. If so, what name would that be.

    I hope you are joking….

  127. S.o.S.27 November 19th, 2007 at 4:19 pm

    The Angels have one of thier if not thier top prospects waiting in the wings Woods, wich happens to play short stop. I do expect them to make a run at Miguel now. My guess is they have to give up Sanders or Weaver and made the trade to compensate for losing one of them. I cant immagine they would make this trade and weaken an already weak offense without having a big hitter to replace him.

    Out with the old Cabrera, in with the new. Bank on it.

  128. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge November 19th, 2007 at 4:23 pm

    Mike R. while that is true. we don’t really have a problem beating the white soxs. You are taking Orlando off a team we usually have trouble beating. So to me it is not a wash. You are also adding a pitcher to the Angels rotation whom we usually hit.

  129. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge November 19th, 2007 at 4:25 pm

    Ervin Santana is not that good. There is no way he would net them a top flight pitcher.

  130. Mike R. November 19th, 2007 at 4:25 pm

    Brandon (WELCOME BACK ALEX !!!)
    November 19th, 2007 at 4:11 pm
    Angels are going after Santana I can feel it

    I don’t think this trade would make any sense if they were going to make a move for Santana. A Santana deal would require two of three position players/prospects. Brandon Wood, Eric aybar or Chone Figgins. That would mean they would have to hang on to Cabrera. Two pitchers for Santana isn’t getting it done. The Twins have a boatload of pitching prospects.

  131. marc November 19th, 2007 at 4:26 pm

    We could name the 07 Mets,the “Flushing Downthedrains.”

  132. Brandon (WELCOME BACK ALEX !!!) November 19th, 2007 at 4:30 pm

    I don’t think this trade would make any sense if they were going to make a move for Santana. A Santana deal would require two of three position players/prospects. Brandon Wood, Eric aybar or Chone Figgins.

    nope not true at all Twins could acquire SP and ship it for position players ex. they want Joba & Kennedy or Hughes and Kennedy plus a pos. player from us. The Angels ripped off the W.Soxs w/ that deal they have Brandon Wood in the wings and Kendrick I can’t believe W.Soxs took this offer, now Angels have pieces to make a big catch

  133. Brandon (WELCOME BACK ALEX !!!) November 19th, 2007 at 4:30 pm

    I don’t think this trade would make any sense if they were going to make a move for Santana. A Santana deal would require two of three position players/prospects. Brandon Wood, Eric aybar or Chone Figgins.

    nope not true at all Twins could acquire SP and ship it for position players ex. they want Joba & Kennedy or Hughes and Kennedy plus a pos. player from us. The Angels ripped off the W.Soxs w/ that deal they have Brandon Wood in the wings and Kendrick I can’t believe W.Soxs took this offer, now Angels have pieces to make a big catch

  134. Laura November 19th, 2007 at 4:33 pm

    Kenny Williams picked the Angels pocket. Cabrera is much more valuable than Garland, who I think is on the decline. Also, why would a team that struggles offensively give up a SS who batted over .300? Strange move by the Angels. They must have something else up their sleeves. Miguel Cabrera, perhaps?

    Oh, yeah – Congrats to A-MVP for yet another phenomenal REGULAR SEASON performance. Still waiting on the postseason, dude!

  135. Mike R. November 19th, 2007 at 4:34 pm

    I don’t understand how this move helps the Angels make a move towards landing Santana. They aren’t going to send Garland to Minnesota. Add to that the fact that LA’s biggest problem is their offense. They just sent their 2nd or 3rd best bat to Chicago and would have to give up another position player to land Santana. In addition I don’t know if the Angels are up to paying a pitcher more than Vlad for about six years. I have no doubt that the Angels are interested in Santana, so is every other team, I just don’t think it’s a good fit.

  136. marc November 19th, 2007 at 4:34 pm

    SOS 27,
    according to you shouldn’t Minaya go after the Cabrera’s?
    Or the Santana’s? Could there be more than one Tejada out there?

  137. Mike R. November 19th, 2007 at 4:36 pm

    A push for Cabrera makes a load of sense. Picking up Garland gives them the flexibility to part with some young pitching to land Cabrera who is the big bat they have been lacking.

  138. marc November 19th, 2007 at 4:38 pm

    Not to make excuses for Arod but they don’t pitch to him in the post-season. He gets frustrated, instead of taking pitches, he expands his zone, and swings at garbage. Some day he will learn to relax, then watch out.

  139. Mike R. November 19th, 2007 at 4:40 pm

    I agree Marc. He knows he does it too. I hope Kevin Long can get through to him this year and make sure we don’t have a repeat performance in the post season.

  140. Brandon (WELCOME BACK ALEX !!!) November 19th, 2007 at 4:43 pm

    Marc, the first time since 04′ that I saw him sit back on a pitch in the playoffs was vs that LHP in game 4 vs Cleveland maybe he goes w/ a no Manny being Manny attitude one day, if not the SP & OF defense needs to be tight as hell.

  141. marc November 19th, 2007 at 4:43 pm

    Mike R,
    Maybe this mega-deal will relax him. Not that he wasn’t secure money-wise before. Money seems to motivate him. Look at the season he put together.

  142. marc November 19th, 2007 at 4:45 pm

    Brandon,

    He showed flashes of “Alex being Alex,” this year, didn’t he?

  143. Mike R. November 19th, 2007 at 4:46 pm

    I saw him much more relaxed this year. The results speak for themself.

  144. marc November 19th, 2007 at 4:47 pm

    Reggie was as clutch as they come, but even he had SP and a pen to help.

  145. keith November 19th, 2007 at 4:47 pm

    Yankees who far were worse in the ALDS than A-ROD

    Jeter
    Wang
    Posada
    Matsui

    Stop bitching about his playoff performance. 2 walks in game 1 = good. Carmona killed him but he owned everyone. 2 hits game 3, 2 hits game 2. If Wang didn’t crap the bed, we’d be talking about A-Rod’s heroic, gutsy, gritty, clutch homerun in the 6th to seal the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111

  146. marc November 19th, 2007 at 4:48 pm

    “Alex being Alex” is a work in progress.

  147. keith November 19th, 2007 at 4:48 pm

    obviously: 2 hits game 3, 2 hits game 4

  148. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") November 19th, 2007 at 4:49 pm

    “Alex being Alex” has a nice ring to it :D

  149. marc November 19th, 2007 at 4:51 pm

    Let’s go with it then Brandon.

  150. S.o.S.27 November 19th, 2007 at 4:51 pm

    Marc,

    How about Flushed Away.

  151. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") November 19th, 2007 at 4:51 pm

    would the Angels trade Garland for Jason Giambi ?

  152. marc November 19th, 2007 at 4:52 pm

    They’re gonna love it on the redsox boards.

  153. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") November 19th, 2007 at 4:53 pm

    Let’s go with it then Brandon.

    already ahead of ya, whoever wants to join feel free to :D

  154. marc November 19th, 2007 at 4:53 pm

    Yeah SOS 27 the Flushed Aways were wiped out I’d say.

  155. marc November 19th, 2007 at 4:54 pm

    Another thing we stole from them huh Brandon.

  156. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") November 19th, 2007 at 4:55 pm

    hehehe :)

  157. marc November 19th, 2007 at 4:56 pm

    The poor sox, can’t even win one in front of their home crowd.

  158. S.o.S.27 November 19th, 2007 at 4:57 pm

    Does anyone else think that Arod had a deal in place with Anaheim and when it was made public that Cabrera was on the trading block they changed their mind? Thus, making Alex comeback to what was his second choice all along.

    I will really be sold on that when Miguel is an Angel.

  159. marc November 19th, 2007 at 4:58 pm

    We kicked their butts this year again. Next year we will not get off to horrendous start and they will chase all year.

  160. whozat November 19th, 2007 at 4:58 pm

    “How does Guerrero out vote Lowell and Ortiz?”

    Because there were two guys hitting on the sox, as opposed to poor lonely Vlad on the angels.

  161. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge November 19th, 2007 at 4:59 pm

    Joe G making his debut on wfan in a few minutes.

  162. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:01 pm

    whozat, how does ortiz beat out lowell, weren’t their fans chanting lowell mvp, what do they know.

  163. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:03 pm

    Alex wants to trade his 3 mvps for a ring. Do you think Borass can negotiate that, Brandon?

  164. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:04 pm

    What will Joe G. have to say? Can’t wait!! How many days to Spring Training?

  165. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:05 pm

    Will be sure to catch a few games this spring.

  166. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:05 pm

    Must be supper time.

  167. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:07 pm

    …And here’s Joey…
    And russo is talking tennis

  168. S.o.S.27 November 19th, 2007 at 5:07 pm

    whozat-Because there were two guys hitting on the sox, as opposed to poor lonely Vlad on the angels.

    They did have Cabrera and Figgins hitting over 300 this year. Where as Lowell had a consistant year,while Manny and Ortiz started out the year struggling. Tough call. Boston has a more potent lineup and Lowell could be easily overlooked but Vlads power numbers dropped after the all-star break.

    Come to think of it, as long as it wasnt a redsox im happy.

    Prediction,
    How many M.V.P. does Arod end up with? Does he pass Bonds in that catagory as well?

  169. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:08 pm

    did he just say A-Wad?

  170. the todd November 19th, 2007 at 5:11 pm

    sos i would say no he won’t break bonds record. the competition in the AL is alot tougher … no to mention he would have to get 5 more to break bonds record. that is alot for a 32 year old … but i’m rooting for him !

  171. Alan November 19th, 2007 at 5:11 pm

    With A-Rod staying put, the Angels still need good protection for Vlad. Miguel Cabrera must certainly be on their radar.

  172. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:13 pm

    nice quote from new Joe…”expectations mean limitations”re:young pitchers…I hear young kids in the background.

  173. mel November 19th, 2007 at 5:13 pm

    “Obviously you’re going to have to produce to play”. I love it.

  174. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:14 pm

    Joe wants to light a fire under Farnsworth.

  175. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:15 pm

    who was he referring to Mel? Giambi?

  176. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pm

    marc:

    So why am I suddenly singing, in a deep psuedo-male voice

    come on baby light my fire…

  177. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:17 pm

    rebecca, good ol Jim Morrison, The Lizard King

  178. Dee November 19th, 2007 at 5:17 pm

    I saw Randy Levine this morning stopping at the corner of 56 and 2nd in Manhattan to light up. I wanted to ask him how big Stein is holding up but was too stunned by his really red face and curly hair, so I just stared. Randy if you’re reading this sorry that was me.

  179. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:18 pm

    a quickie from Joe

  180. mel November 19th, 2007 at 5:18 pm

    Asked about 1st base. Mentioned Shelly and Phillips have more range, but that Jason’s the key this year. When he’s healthy and right, he’s a very dangerous bat in this lineup. But yes, I thought he was saying that he’s not sticking Giambi in there just because he cost $20M.

    Farnsworth is not far off. He was coming around late last season. Good to know that Girardi believes with him.

  181. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:19 pm

    ferrell beningo and raissman on SNY…even maddog was impressed

  182. whozat November 19th, 2007 at 5:19 pm

    “whozat, how does ortiz beat out lowell, weren’t their fans chanting lowell mvp, what do they know.”

    Wasn’t that _during the playoffs?_

    Lowell’s GG defense is a big plus for him, but Ortiz’s OPS just DWARFED Lowell’s.

  183. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:20 pm

    Farns cant go everyday tho

  184. mel November 19th, 2007 at 5:21 pm

    marc,

    It was a quickie, but that’s because he doesn’t talk at the pace of dripping molasses or go off on tangents.

  185. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:21 pm

    i swear ferrel has a frog lodged in his throat

  186. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:22 pm

    sny has just realized the mets got castillo?

  187. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:22 pm

    succinct might be the word

  188. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:23 pm

    joe t was mailing it in the past few years

  189. whozat November 19th, 2007 at 5:24 pm

    “Farns cant go everyday tho”

    If teams want him this offseason, I’d love to see him moved. The Yanks have several other guys with good stuff that can’t throw strikes…let Joe work his magic on _them_ and get the “has experience closing” value boost from trading Kyle.

  190. mel November 19th, 2007 at 5:24 pm

    Just heard a quote from Alex, looks like he really wants to fix whatever damage was done with the fans. Now that he knows he married to Yankee fans for the next ten years with NO CHANCE OF GETTING OUT maybe he can finally feel at home. If he’s just one of the guys, I think he’ll be able to fit in, relax, and do well.

  191. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 5:25 pm

    Dee–Levine smokes? He doesn’t seem the type…

    Marc–SNY doesn’t have Pete Abe ;) (Or certain posters, but that’s besides the point)

  192. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:25 pm

    I forgot farns had a 1st name…

    Mel, that’s alex being alex

  193. mel November 19th, 2007 at 5:26 pm

    I’m sorry, but I think it’s gross that Hank and Levine both smoke in public.

  194. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:27 pm

    mel, robbie and melky had a lot to do with relaxing alex

  195. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:29 pm

    mel, no smoking at the stadium

  196. mel November 19th, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    marc,

    The name on his birth certificate:

    Krazy Kyle Gonna Name My First Son Stone Farnsworth.

    I’m not giving up on Farnsworth. BTW, for those of you who didn’t catch it, they asked about the 8th inning guy. Joe’s wants to work with Kyle, but he mentioned some young guys coming up, and that the Yankees weren’t done building the roster.

    Also everyone comes into ST to earn playing time [at first].

  197. Fleas November 19th, 2007 at 5:31 pm

    Uh, I say it again.

    Now we still have the same team? What’s different? Other than no Roger and Andy?

    I don’t know what anyone is excited about.

  198. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 5:32 pm

    Fleas:

    Because we have Joba, Ian and Phil for a full season. Not just two months.

    At least, that’s what’s doing it for me.

  199. Fleas November 19th, 2007 at 5:33 pm

    Give me Miggy Cabrera for first base, and Johan Santana. Add some BP arms and then maybe we can compete with Boston. Pedroia and Ellsbury.. have proven themselves to be great players.

  200. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:34 pm

    if this wasnt a year for a unanymous mvp i don’t know…50+ hrs 150+ rbi, gimme a break, at least they gave him 2nd place

  201. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:37 pm

    mel, our bullpen is a work in progress for sure, farns can’t be an everyday 8th inning guy

  202. hmmm November 19th, 2007 at 5:37 pm

    “Now we still have the same team? What’s different? Other than no Roger and Andy?”

    Hughes, Joba, Kennedy.

    best offense in the majors coming back.

    much improved bench from first half of last year.

    farm system still 100% intact from not having to trade for a 3Bman.

    new smart, hungry manager.

    if Andy comes back, this is one of the 3 best teams in the majors.

    it’s almost as if Yankee fans want everything to be handed to them before the season even starts. i’d go to battle with this team and take my chances.

  203. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:38 pm

    fleas you might be on the wrong board

  204. Mike in SF November 19th, 2007 at 5:38 pm

    Fleas- we were the best team the last 2/3 of the season, despite the October letdown.

    Now, we have the same top ranked offense and young, experienced, top of the line arms to give us a full season (with limitations.)

    The future is bright. With a competent manager and rotation from the getgo, we might not have to dig ourselves out of a hole all year… just to be satisfied with a playoff berth.

  205. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:39 pm

    hmmm, you got that right.

  206. mel November 19th, 2007 at 5:40 pm

    Fleas,

    Everyone’s excited because there’s a new manager.

    Remember, this team had the second best record in all of baseball even with all the following:

    1. Record number of rookie pitchers.
    2. Losing a SP for the season.
    3. Injuries to Wang, Mussina, Hughes, and Clemens.
    4. Subpar first halves for Abreu (brutal), Damon, and Matsui.
    5. Igawa’s failure to adjust to MLB.
    6. Phelps experiment.

    Yankees aren’t done yet, but even if they made no more moves I’m pretty optimistic about next season. Although, I am a glass half-full kind of person :)

  207. S.o.S.27 November 19th, 2007 at 5:40 pm

    fleas-Now we still have the same team? What’s different? Other than no Roger and Andy?

    I can only speak for myself, but having Girardi and his agressive style makes me think that even with the same team we will be a stronger team than last year.I dont see Girardi playing favorites to his veterans like Torre and ignoring the young but productive players.

    Plus given a better starting pitching to start the year(hughes,joba,kennedy) hopefully keeps us from our recent slow starts.

    Dont forget we had the best record in baseball after the all-star break.

  208. hmmm November 19th, 2007 at 5:41 pm

    “Pedroia and Ellsbury.. have proven themselves to be great players.”

    wow, in 33 games Ellsbury has “proven” to be a “great” player.

    that’s pretty amazing. maybe he’ll be half as good as Kevin Maas or Shane Spencer.

    if that’s the criteria, there is nothing to worry about since Joba Chamberlain has proven to be the best pitcher in baseball history and will only have to compete with Ian Kennedy for the Cy Young.

    Ellsbury should be good, but he hasn’t proven anything yet. not even close.

  209. Tommy November 19th, 2007 at 5:41 pm

    “Pedroia and Ellsbury…have proven themselves to be great players.”

    Cannot call Pedroia a great player. And Ellsbury? Cmon now, the guy has only played in 33 MLB reg. season games.
    Chill!

  210. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:42 pm

    how many rooks did we start the 1st half of the year? 50%?
    karstens, clippard, rasner, wright, that wont happen again.
    sox will be chasing us this year and we will reign over them with a vengeance.

  211. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:44 pm

    pedroia and ellsbury, great? now that was too easy.

  212. mel November 19th, 2007 at 5:46 pm

    Great rookie debuts=great player. Curtis Maybin is headed to the HOF. He hit his first homerun off of Clemens.

  213. S.o.S.27 November 19th, 2007 at 5:47 pm

    mel,

    So is Marcus Thames,didnt he jack his first homerun of off Johnson?

  214. mel November 19th, 2007 at 5:48 pm

    sos,

    Was Jeter’s first hit a homerun, too?

  215. hmmm November 19th, 2007 at 5:50 pm

    “Was Jeter’s first hit a homerun, too?”

    no, he hit a HR on opening day of 1996, which was his rookie year. but he had a few hits in his 1995 cup of coffee.

  216. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:51 pm

    Does anybody think this is becoming Arod’s team?

  217. S.o.S.27 November 19th, 2007 at 5:52 pm

    mel,

    Well that proves your point. If you hit your first of off a future h.o.f. then your in as well. Its like being the driver of a bank robbery. Who hit those 33 homeruns of off Santana? Any first timers?

  218. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:54 pm

    …instead of Jeter’s?

  219. S.o.S.27 November 19th, 2007 at 5:55 pm

    “The Yankees appear to be the early front-runner to sign Ron Mahay, the most coveted lefty reliever on the market, ESPN The Magazine’s Buster Olney reports. A decision could come as soon as Monday.”

    Thoughts?

  220. Tommy November 19th, 2007 at 5:55 pm

    I’ll Take Cano over Pedroia every which way.
    Put Cano in the 2 hole in front of Ortiz and see what happens!

  221. BBB November 19th, 2007 at 5:56 pm

    Just had to say it: CONGRATS ALEX!!!! And thanks for a great year!! I just read some of his comments upon being named MVP on the mlb.com article and I loved the part about how this means more to him than previous MVPs because he came together with the team, and his production was so crucial to the team’s success. And you know what, I actually believe he means them and is speaking from his heart.

    2007 was the dawning of a new era for A-Rod. Here’s to another decade of dominance in pinstripes!

    Also, this must be Misguided Detroit Homer weekend or something, between the preposterous 1st place votes for Shagglio and Jon Kitna’s punk azz crying how the Lions “gave” the Giants the game yesterday! And how the loss to the Giants was more upsetting than past losses to “better teams” like the (wait for it) Redskins, Eagles and Cardinals. Nice to see that those mighty Detroit Lions are still good for a laugh despite their current record!! STFU and throw another 8 picks Kitna!

    Haha, but I digress with that rant. Point is, cry me a river, Magglio Ordonez, Gary Sheffield, Jon Kitna, Tom Gage and Jim Hawkins! Meanwhile us obnoxious NY fans will be enjoying our victories of the past 24 hours!! :)

    Congrats again to Alex, the UNANIMOUS 2007 AL MVP in my mind!! And woo hoo for Posada finishing in the top 10! Never should have finished lower than Big Sloppi, nor should Victor Martinez have for that matter considering they play a demanding position while Shrek plays Gold Glove bench, but whatever. The important part is A-ROD WON and Posada was recognized!

  222. marc November 19th, 2007 at 5:56 pm

    we certainly need effective leftys

  223. BBB November 19th, 2007 at 5:58 pm

    Ron Mahay? Sounds like a better idea than Affeldt – I’ll definitely take it.

  224. Global Warming November 19th, 2007 at 5:59 pm

    Oh goody, an old relief pitcher coming to the Yankees…

  225. DMan November 19th, 2007 at 6:00 pm

    So Arod and the Yankees are ‘in the bottom of the fifth’ in their contract talks..

    That, uh, makes sense…

  226. S.o.S.27 November 19th, 2007 at 6:01 pm

    The walks scare me. 37 in 67 innings. Plus we have Villone lol.

  227. marc November 19th, 2007 at 6:04 pm

    dman..that means its almost official

  228. S.o.S.27 November 19th, 2007 at 6:05 pm

    Dont we have any lefties in the minors besides Henn that can fill that spot without having to throw money at a 36 year old that we will be stuck with for 3 years. Isnt Farns enough.

  229. marc November 19th, 2007 at 6:07 pm

    farns cant go evryday

  230. S.o.S.27 November 19th, 2007 at 6:08 pm

    Meaning a 3 year contract we cant get rid of.

  231. mel November 19th, 2007 at 6:10 pm

    hmmm,

    Thanks.

    marc,

    It’s still Jeter’s team. Jeter’s a leader because people are drawn to him.

    Alex just needs to be himself and things will come to him. Alex was a great teammate this year, especially with the Killer C’s.

    Maybe one day, but not now. Not after all the crap that happened in the last month.

  232. Doreen November 19th, 2007 at 6:13 pm

    SoS27 -

    I heard about the Yankees’ interest in Mahay today, too, on XM. Ken Rosenthal, maybe? No — it was the guy from Newsday, Bombach? Said the Yankees had strong interest, and he seemed to think if the Yankees were in the mix for him, they would get him (because they have the money).

    I don’t know anything about him. I’ll look at some of his stats. Problem for me with most of the names that get bandied about, if I can’t put a face to a name, they may as well all be John Smith, you know. Stats are a good starting point, but having not seen most of the guys unless they’ve played against the Yankees (or Mets – we do occasionally tune in to them), I’m clueless.

    Congratulations to Alex! Great year, and many more to come, I’m sure. Don’t get too stressed about the non-unanimous nature of the vote; that kind of voting has a tendency to have some home-team favoritism going on. Now, last year, that I had trouble with because Jeter’s 2006 season was so under-rated by the voters because of the relative ease with which the Yankees won their division in comparison with Detroit (who didn’t win their division, did they, but got to the playoffs).

    Mel -

    Thanks for the info regarding Girardi’s interview. Was that on M&MD? I will never doubt Joe Torre’s dedication to his job; but his approach was certainly getting predictable, both in games and in interviews. And he became more a “character” or an “icon.” Joe Girardi is refreshing because he is so different personality-wise, and it should be a good change. Plus, he’s new, so we have to kind of figure him out. After 12 years, Joe T. was pretty “figured.”

    Don Mattingly was interviewed by Kevin Kennedy and Rob Dibble on XM this p.m. Good interview. Gonna miss him. He really praised Alex Rodriguez in the way he is always working – his work ethic – saying that if anyone can be worth the risk of a long-term contract, it’s Alex. Plus he made a point of saying what a great influence he was on the younger players, who have started to adopt ARod’s workout program and his attitude of preparedness. He says he took the BP coach job rather than bench coach job because that is where initially he will have the most impact and where he’s needed the most but did not rule out the possibility that down the road his role could change. I wish him buona fortuna.

  233. mel November 19th, 2007 at 6:13 pm

    Yes, to Farns. We’re just going to have to coax some back to backs out of him. There is no reliever that pitches everyday anyway.

    No, to Henn. Been there and done that.

    No, to Britton. (Sorry, Mama and Papa Britton)
    No, to Bruney. Magic wore off.

  234. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 6:20 pm

    Sportscenter’s just made Mo official

  235. hmmm November 19th, 2007 at 6:22 pm

    “No, to Britton. (Sorry, Mama and Papa Britton)”

    why not?

    he has a 3.39 era in 66 major league innings.

    he didn’t really get a chance in 2007.

    he deserves a chance and Girardi will give him one.

  236. Doreen November 19th, 2007 at 6:22 pm

    Marc & Mel -

    In Sunday’s Star Ledger, Dan Graziano did a story about how the Yankees are no longer Jeter’s team. He cited the fact that ARod’s contract runs longer than Jeter’s at this point in time and that he’s the highest paid player on the team (this time it’s all on the Yankees’ payroll). He also pointed out that with Joe Torre no longer at the helm, there’s a different dynamic in the clubhouse. He also talked about Alex’s influence on Cano and Cabrera.

    I think he has a point — to a point. Jeter is Jeter and he’s just been there longer, and with quite a legacy already. I think it’s too easy to say that this is no longer Jeter’s team, and also too soon. Jeter will always be looked to as the face of the Yankees, for as long as he’s there.

  237. hmmm November 19th, 2007 at 6:24 pm

    Mahay…would be an ok pickup. he’s nothing special, but the yankees don’t really have much from the left side ready to go.

  238. Joe from Long Island November 19th, 2007 at 6:26 pm

    Thank you, Rebecca.

  239. mel November 19th, 2007 at 6:27 pm

    hmmm,

    Didn’t realize that he had a decent ERA. I must’ve only remembered the bad outings.

    Thanks.

    ______________________________________________

    Doreen,

    Yes the Joe G. interview was with M&MD so maybe it’ll be up later on the FAN’s site. Don’t forget to look out for Jon Heyman as well. lol.

    Yes, Dan G. makes some points, but it’s a little too soon to be dethroning Jeter.

  240. S.o.S.27 November 19th, 2007 at 6:27 pm

    I agree on giving Britton a chance. He must have rubbed Cash or Torre the wrong way last year. Maybe it was his weight. He did well in the minors and aside from a couple hickups he wasnt bad when called up. Hopefully Girardi strong traight to managing will be giving everyone a fair chance.

    The one im not sold on is Ramirez. Every game I saw him pitch, he either struck someone out or they hammered the ball out. I hope he works on his fastball this winter.

  241. Doreen November 19th, 2007 at 6:29 pm

    SoS27 -

    I think Britton didn’t get a chance because they couldn’t tell the difference between him and Bruney. (I know sometimes I couldn’t!) :)

  242. S.o.S.27 November 19th, 2007 at 6:34 pm

    Doreen,
    Your probably right. But its actually easier to tell them apart than you think, Bruney is the one that was in there allowing the bases loaded walks. And Britton is the heavier set fella.( Just by a couple pounds )

  243. Dee November 19th, 2007 at 6:39 pm

    Rebecca – yeah Levine was puffing away. He probably shouldn’t be, his face was way too red to be healthy. And he was bigger than I imagined.

    So I’m catching up with posts here and saw comments about Joe G on M&MD today? What did he say? Sorry I tried to look through the whole thread here but couldn’t find the details on the interview. Can someone point out the post time? Thx!

    So just saw my email news alert from yankees.com titled “A-ROD wins AL MVP award”. So is that his official name now??

  244. Pablo Zevallos November 19th, 2007 at 6:39 pm

    Didn’t Joe Hawkins have a weird MVP vote of HOF vote or something a couple of years ago?

  245. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 6:42 pm

    Dee: Joe G on MMD today was actually really great. He said ALL the right things. If you want a run down, I’ll try to remember it. Let me know (or if someone else doesn’t beat me to it. but I don’t want to write it all out because I don’t want to double post).

    Hearing him talk makes me really optimistic for the upcoming years with him as manager.

  246. Doreen November 19th, 2007 at 6:43 pm

    Ron Mahay? Is that the lefty they’re talking about? He’s kinda old – going to be 36 in June. And seems fairly average judging by stats alone. Girardi caught him at one time during his career, though.

  247. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 6:45 pm

    Dee–Yeah, he seems to be a big guy. I’ve lost close relatives to smoking-related cancers, so I am staunchly anti-smoking.

  248. Dee November 19th, 2007 at 6:47 pm

    Andrea, would you mind recapping some quick highlights?? THANKS!! Or can anyone tell me where to go to hear a recording? Wait isn’t M&MD on TV again at night…am looking it up now. Man I need to start tivoing M&MD every afternoon, what if I miss Mo next??!

  249. Buddy Biancalana November 19th, 2007 at 6:50 pm

    Look who could become Pettitte’s replacement:

    http://www.baseballfans.net/ya.....#038;page=

  250. Dee November 19th, 2007 at 6:51 pm

    Rebeeca – sorry about your relatives. Agree smoking can do no good.

  251. Buddy Biancalana November 19th, 2007 at 6:52 pm

    Doreen-

    Mahay is getting older by the minute, he will be 37 in June.

  252. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 6:53 pm

    Dee: MMD is usually recapped, I’m not sure what time.

    Joe G talked about how he’s been pretty busy. He talked about how he’s not worried about how Joba’s become a superstar (stupid question by one of the 2), because he has his sights set and he has the right goals. He’s really not worried about any of the young kids, and he expects them to come into Spring training in shape.

    He’s excited about Alex and Mo, but he wont’ get too excited until the pen hits the paper. He’s excited about Alex because it’s hard to replicate 150+ RBI elsewhere, and Mo is Mo.

    He said any team who gets Miguel Cabrera is in for a treat. He’s a hard worker and he plays to win. He lost 15 pounds during the year he coached him. not sure why I remember that little tidbit.

    He said the roster is not set in stone yet, and you n ever know what you’ll end up with, but when asked about the 8th inning guy, he said he’d like to see what Kyle Farnsworth can do. Honestly, I saw that coming, based on things he said during broadcasts.

    I think that’s all I remember for now, but if I remember anything else, I’ll post it.

    Joe G will have a monthly spot with Mike and the Mad Dog during the off season and a weekly spot during the season.

  253. Joe from Long Island November 19th, 2007 at 6:53 pm

    Buddy –
    As Cash has said, “I think that ship has sailed.”

    Though he said that about Alex, and we know how that ended.

  254. Scooter November 19th, 2007 at 6:57 pm

    hey Andrea
    Thanks for the info on Girardi’s interview.

    WFAN has already posted it:
    http://www.wfan.com/

    Just scroll down to the M&MD Audio area on the left of the page. You can download it as an MP3 or a podcast for your IPod

    Rebecca – smoking is nasty – and its after-effects have hit a lot of families out there. My grandfather was a pack-a-day smoker (Pall Malls). That stuff was awful.

  255. the todd November 19th, 2007 at 6:59 pm

    is this mahay character a type A or B free agent ? if so. i wouldn’t give up a 1st rounder for him.

  256. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 6:59 pm

    Yeah, I’m trying to get my cousin to quit…

  257. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 7:04 pm

    Scooter–nice! I listened to it on the drive home from work. I haven’t a clue why I continue to listen to Mike and the Mad Dog. I usually just get mad at them. they seem to be sucking up to Joe G quite a bit though. It kind of makes me laugh.

  258. the todd November 19th, 2007 at 7:07 pm

    oh god. not wells. i don’t want him anywhere near the yankees rotation

  259. Doreen November 19th, 2007 at 7:07 pm

    Buddy Biancalana –

    I stand corrected! Time sure does fly. :)

  260. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 7:08 pm

    Ok, I think everyone’s gotta give Cashman some slack on A-Rod. He said that the Yankees would absolutely not BID AGAINST OTHER TEAMS for him. They did not do this. No other teams bid on A-Rod. The Yankees were the only team negotiating with him. That was the reason for saying he wouldn’t negotiate if he opted out. He did opt out, but then allowed the Yankees to be in the same situation they would have been if he hadn’t. And they were supposedly going to offer him $30M/yr, and they offered him less. So it’s really not a big loss. So Cashman really doesn’t come off looking so terrible.

  261. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 7:09 pm

    Doreen: what do you expect? Yankees heart old man pitchers!

  262. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 7:09 pm

    Umm, aren’t we all getting older by the minute?

    ;)

  263. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 7:10 pm

    Ron Mahay –

    lefties hit .189 off of him this past season

    2.55 ERA; walked 37 in 67 innings; fairly inconsistent throughout his career

    I have been saying it all along but they should really look at David Riske. 2.45 ERA with low walks. his highest ERA over the past 5 seasons was 3.89.

    That’s the key. All of these relievers seem to have a good year here and there but there’s little consistency (See Kyle Farnsworth). I would give Riske, and his pretty consistent low to mid 3′s ERA a shot.

  264. Buddy Biancalana November 19th, 2007 at 7:12 pm

    Doreen-

    Now the question is, does Mahay resign with Braves or does re-sign with Braves?

  265. Stan November 19th, 2007 at 7:14 pm

    Ron Mahay may be a serviceable lefty but the team hasn’t had what could be called a reliable lefthander in the pen since the days of Graeme Lloyd and Mike Stanton.

  266. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 7:16 pm

    not sure if this was mentioned already but:

    According to ESPN’s Buster Olney, the Phillies offered Mike Lowell a four-year, $50 million contract before he agreed to terms with Boston on Monday.

    Boston originally offered 3/36 but upped to 3/37.5 to match the 12.5/yr being offered by Philly. So Lowell, too 1 less year at the same rate to stay in Boston. Ryan Howard, Utley, Rollins, Lowell… not a bad infield especially in the NL. Two potential gold glovers on the left side. Oh well.

  267. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 7:19 pm

    Also, It seems like Torre will be getting Miguel Cabrera to coach in the near future. That’s just my prediction but if they are really offereing Kershaw, Kemp, and another decent prospect… I cant see Florida saying no. LA would be better served going after a pitcher but Cabrera will help em out.

  268. Buddy Biancalana November 19th, 2007 at 7:24 pm

    Boston Dave-

    You can add Andy Laroche to that Cabrera deal according to Ken Rosenthal, that deal could be done & done shortly.

  269. Doreen November 19th, 2007 at 7:28 pm

    For Girardi interview on M&MD:

    Girardi

    That gets you to the page, then click on Joe Girardi

  270. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 7:29 pm

    Buddy, I think you’re right if that’s the case. The Dodgers are probably going to sign Hunter/Andruw/Rowand also. Torre will have a decent lineup but I still think they should be looking for some pitching. After Penny, they dont really have anyone reliable (Lowe, Schmidt, ???). I guess Billingsly is decent. Good luck Joe….

  271. hmmm November 19th, 2007 at 7:30 pm

    Mahay is a type B.

  272. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 7:31 pm

    dont sign Mahay!!! he will get 3yrs and could be the next Felix Heredia.

  273. Buddy Biancalana November 19th, 2007 at 7:32 pm

    Boston Dave-

    Looks like Rowand will be signed to play CF & Pierre moves to left. Billingsley is pretty good, though he was just a rookie last year.

  274. Buddy Biancalana November 19th, 2007 at 7:32 pm

    Boston Dave-

    Don’t forget Brad Penny either.

  275. Doreen November 19th, 2007 at 7:33 pm

    Oops — posted the link before i noticed Scooter posted. Sorry for the double-up.

    Buddy Biancalana –

    LOL! To resign or to re-sign, that is the question! :)

  276. Doreen November 19th, 2007 at 7:39 pm

    I loved Joe Girardi’s interview. Fast-paced, not a lot of hemming and hawing. Like someone above posted, no going off on tangents. Also, I like the excitement in his voice. The way he spoke about Miguel Cabrera, I’m almost wishing the Yankees could convince him to play 1st base! But that’s not happening, so…

    Like he said, can’t wait until the ink dries on all those contracts. I also like that he’s optimistic.

  277. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 7:45 pm

    Who decides if a free agent is type a or type b?

  278. Jennifer - HIP HIP JORGE! November 19th, 2007 at 7:46 pm

    I am listening to the interview with Alex for winning the mvp award.

    He opened saying I can’t adress the off the field stuff. I am just limiting it to the MVP award and 2007.

    Yet the very first question was re: opt out. :lol:

  279. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 7:47 pm

    Andrea, the whole system is a complete JOKE!

    I will see if I can find the link that explains it all but its terrible.

  280. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 7:48 pm

    The Orioles and Dodgers have discussed a trade involving Erik Bedard and Matt Kemp, according to Yahoo! Sports’ Tim Brown.

  281. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 7:49 pm

    if the Dodgers get Bedard…. look out NL

  282. pat November 19th, 2007 at 7:50 pm

    Miguel Cabrera on the Yankees would make a serious 3-4 hitting combo. If Boston can pay Shilling incentive clauses to lose weight, the Yankees could make working out with A-Rod and Melky incentive clauses. If Melky lost 15 pounds from the A-Rod workouts, Miguel could definitely do it too.

  283. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 7:51 pm

    Boston Dave: so it’ spretty much like everything else in Baseball :)

  284. Krusty November 19th, 2007 at 7:52 pm

    Take it from me, Smoking is cool !!

    http://www.geocities.com/bangk.....ng_400.gif

    And ladies, remember, smoking helps you keep your figure.

  285. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 7:52 pm

    pat: does Miguel Cabrera want to change positions? (not being snarky–actually asking)

  286. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 7:52 pm

    how type A/type B free agents are determined:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-for-.html

    I personally think they should ditch this. Why should you be rewarded for losing a free agent? if you want to keep them, sign them. and by no means should it be a first rounder. maybe third rounder.

  287. JK November 19th, 2007 at 7:53 pm

    ESPN.com is reporting MO has accepted the Yankees offer.

  288. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 7:54 pm

    jennifer: Why am I totally not surprised?

  289. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 7:54 pm

    Andrea, Miguel said he’d like to stay at 3rd but would change if its best for the team.

    sidenote: Miggy has been working out hardcore (supposedly) to get in shape. sounds like he wants out of FLA.

  290. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 7:55 pm

    JK: It was official on Sportscenter about two hours ago :-D

  291. thenextandykosco November 19th, 2007 at 7:55 pm

    I am sure that the Yankees were holding this information until later, not wanting to upstage the Rodriguez MVP announcement and with Pete on vacation, but, for what it is worth, mlb4u.com is reporting that the Yankees signed Joselo Diaz to a minor league contract for 2008. Wow! Doesn’t that guy Buffett ever sleep?

    Joselo Diaz should not be confused with Jose Diaz, late of the Dodger organization, who also became a minor league free agent on 10/15/2007. Both are right handed relief pitchers.

    Joselo Diaz pitched in Japan for the Yokohama BayStars in 2007. He was 3-4 with a 4.59 ERA, and a .206 OBA, 66.2 IP, 61 SO. 7.83 WALKS/9IP. Prior to 2007, in parts of six seasons in the minors with the Dodgers, Mets, Indians, Devil Rays, Rangers, and Royals, he had a .215 OBA in 396 IP with 455 SO, but 304 BBs. He reached the majors in 2006, compiling a 10.80 ERA in 7 IP with Kansas City with 8 walks and a .345 OBA. Best known for being included with Scott Kazmir in the trade for Victor Zambrano. Many scouts are projecting him as the designated IBB thrower at SWB given his ability to miss contact with both bats and the plate.

    And, those of you who were feeling relief at news of this signing can’t relax quite yet. Let’s take for granted that the Yankees don’t protect him on their 40-man roster by tomorrow’s deadline. Please! The suspense will continue for another 16 days to the Opryland Hotel in Music City where another major league team will have the opportunity to select Diaz in the Rule 5 draft and to pay the Yankees $50,000 for his 23 days in the organization. Again, I say, take my relief pitcher. Please!

  292. Doreen November 19th, 2007 at 7:55 pm

    Andrea –

    I know you asked Pat, but… what Miguel Cabrera wants is totally irrelevant to this blog!!!! :)

  293. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 7:56 pm

    Hank on Mo accepting:

    “We’ve got everybody back. It’s good to have both Jorgie and him back.”

    Nice of him to forget about Andy….

  294. Felix Heredia November 19th, 2007 at 8:11 pm

    C’mon Mr. Cashman, sign a good lefty so my legacy can stay intact ……

  295. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 8:12 pm

    Doreen: good point!

  296. Doreen November 19th, 2007 at 8:14 pm

    Boston Dave -

    So it’s definite? Mo signed? Or accepted but still has to sign?

  297. pat November 19th, 2007 at 8:15 pm

    Andrea
    People who know baseball have all speculated that he is going to have to make a change from 3B because of his body type. He’s 24 years old and already having weight issues. In 2009 and beyond, the DH spot, 1B and RF will all be up for grabs with the Yankees. If I’m not mistaken, it’s been said he has a strong arm so RF might be a good future landing spot for him.

  298. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 8:16 pm

    pat: I realize that eventually he’d have to move. That is pretty obvious. But he’s only 24 now, so I didn’t know if he’d be willing to make the move already. That was really my question. I guess you’re right–if it’s for the right team…

  299. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 8:17 pm

    Doreen, technically neither Mo, Jorgy, or Molina have signed. The contracts are all agreed upon but none are truly finalized. I dont think Mo can back out at this point though unless there was some sort of problem with the contract. You can count your chickens…

  300. Dee November 19th, 2007 at 8:18 pm

    Andrea, Scooter, Doreen –

    Thanks for the Joe G interview! I’m so excited about him! I can’t believe some people are asying we have the same team…at least 3 of our starters are gonna be different, and we’ll have a completely new caoching staff exept Pena and Long, and it’s only Novemeber so we’re not even done yet. The future is BRIGHT!

    btw, did you guys hear the Pope will be doing a mass at Yankees Stadium? It will be globally televised so many people from other countries will get to see our stadium and Yankees championship signs!!

  301. Dee November 19th, 2007 at 8:19 pm

    Sorry about typos galore…am posting in a hurry…

  302. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 8:21 pm

    pat, i would wait and see before saying Miguel needs to change because of his “body type”. I cant blame him for not being 100% motivated for a perpetual loser like Florida. I’ve heard he is motivated now and working out every day in an attempt to get in top shape. He may never be a gold glover but I dont think it will be due to his body type. I think its premature to rule out 3b for him, especially with the dodgers needing one. It’s also impressive that he said he would play another position if the team felt it was best. He’s young and has plenty of time to improve his workout habits but the price would be a little too hefty for the yanks.

  303. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 8:26 pm

    Cabrera, 24, said that he already has been working out with a goal of reporting to spring training in the best shape of his career.

    “I’ve been at it for four weeks now at a gym that specializes in professional athletes, and I’ll be there until the spring.”

    “I’ll keep at it in order to get to spring training in the best shape possible – to have the best season possible for the team I end up on.”

  304. J-Dawg November 19th, 2007 at 8:29 pm

    That’s great news about Mo being back. And speaking of back, I’ll be back later on. It’s time for my Titans to stomp the Broncos!!

  305. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 8:31 pm

    JDawg, without Haynesworth, I dunno about that… should be a good game

  306. J-Dawg November 19th, 2007 at 8:37 pm

    Boston Dave- Being without Haynesworth killed us against the Jaguars last week. Maurice Jones-Drew ran all over us.

  307. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 8:39 pm

    J-Dawg: Good luck!

  308. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 8:40 pm

    I have both Lendale and Selvyn Young in fantasy… as long as they both do alright, I’ll root for Tennessee.

  309. pat November 19th, 2007 at 8:41 pm

    He may have been unmotivated playing for the Marlins and that could explain the weight gain. An unmotivated Cabrera has such awesome offensive talent that one who was properly motivated could be scary good.
    Yanks have enough offense to get it done already but Cabrera seems like a once in a generation kind of player.

    Coletti has gone on record saying this week that the Dodgers aren’t interested in a 4 for 1 swap to get him. He said they will focus on the free agent market instead. It’s all a negotiating ploy on his part but sometimes trying to drive down the price too much may allow other to teams to slide in. The price tag is probably too high for the Yanks in terms of prospects as well. I didn’t say it was likely but it would be fun to watch.

  310. LathamJoe November 19th, 2007 at 8:41 pm

    ” technically neither Mo, Jorgy, or Molina have signed”
    Add the name of ARod to that list, too!

    The more quotes I hear from Hank Steinbrother, the more I wish he would take after his Father in making statements to the Press during the last few years.
    On Rivera’s offer:
    “He’d be by $4 million a year the highest-paid relief pitcher,” To say that’s a strong offer would be an understatement. The ball’s in their court. If they still want to look for more somewhere else, that’s up to them”

    Everyone figured out that Mo’s deal was more than fair and it was made out of respect for what he’s done for the Yankees in the past.

  311. Bronxie Brenda November 19th, 2007 at 8:41 pm

    It would be a happy day to see a press conference at the Stadium with A-Rod, Mo, Jorge, and Jose Molina signed and present with a surprise appearance by Andy saying he’ll be back.
    Both the front and back pages of the tabloids would be overwhelmed with Yankee news.
    Rudy who ? Hillary who ?

  312. Tiffany November 19th, 2007 at 8:43 pm

    You love him, you hate him, you can’t live without him!

  313. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 8:49 pm

    Bronxie Brenda:

    HAHA THAT’S AWESOME!

  314. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 8:53 pm

    pat, no doubt cabrera is a ridiculous talent. i just dont want to give up young pitching for offense. its not too difficult to add offense via free agency… you simply cannot get pitching via free agency anymore. teams know better. even the twins are attempting to sign johan and if they dont they’ll trade him. i still dont think johan hits free agency (though i hope im wrong).

  315. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 8:53 pm

    ok, for some reason I am getting email news alerts from mets.com . What the hell?

    The Mets re-signed Luis Castillo, in case anyone is interested.

  316. gayle November 19th, 2007 at 8:56 pm

    FYI the entire A-Rod conference call is on yankees.com. Very interesting nothing earth shattering. Murray Chass of the NYT certainly tried to make it interesting.

  317. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 8:57 pm

    Andrea, the Mets have great luck with aging 2b… just ask carlos baerga, roberto alomar, edgardo alfonzo…. nice to see the mets wasting more money. until the mets trade for a legit #1 starter, any money spent will be a waste.

  318. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 9:00 pm

    Baseball America’s John Manuel about the New York prospects:

    Obviously Horne’s not in the same class as Joba Chamberlain or Ian Kennedy, but “Alan Horne’s not far behind those guys,” Manuel said.

    http://emedia.thetimes-tribune.....fault.aspx

  319. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 9:04 pm

    …So apparently Tennessee can’t play defense

  320. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 9:13 pm

    Boston Dave: I’ve noticed that. The Mets like old man 2Bs like the Yankees like old man pitchers! I have no clue why I got that email though. But I unsubscribed!

  321. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 9:16 pm

    Andrea, that is definitely odd. I hope Pete isnt selling our names/email to the Mets to fund his vacation.

  322. Mike NYY- Welcome home Alex November 19th, 2007 at 9:17 pm

    his vacation.

    What vacation?

  323. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 9:20 pm

    Boston Dave: it’s probably from when I put my name in the pool last year to win playoff tickets for my friend. And I freaking won. I have never won Yankee playoff tickets, but I won tickets to the NLCS last year.

    Ridiculous.

  324. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 9:21 pm

    Just because Pete is enjoying a full-body seaweed treatment and spending his time at the spa doesn’t mean he can’t make periodic updates via his blackberry.

  325. whozat November 19th, 2007 at 9:41 pm

    “pat, i would wait and see before saying Miguel needs to change”

    Body type isn’t just him being chubby. They’re talking about his frame and all that. His base (hips, legs and so forth). He’s broad of hip and not too quick side-to-side. He’s going to be better suited to first base in another year or two. Even if he loses some weight.

  326. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") November 19th, 2007 at 9:47 pm

    rumors are Miguel Cabrerais likely going to the Dodgers :)

  327. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") November 19th, 2007 at 9:50 pm

    Dodgers Now The Front-Runners For Cabrera
    19th November, 2007 – 7:39 pm
    FoxSports – The Angels no longer are the front-runners for Miguel Cabrera.

    The Dodgers stand a better chance of acquiring Cabrera from the Marlins, major-league sources say, if they are willing to part with outfielder Matt Kemp along with third baseman Andy LaRoche and Class AA left-hander Clayton Kershaw.

  328. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 9:54 pm

    Brandon–love the name. I think we should all be supporters of Alex being Alex!

  329. Bryant November 19th, 2007 at 9:54 pm

    “if they are willing to part with outfielder Matt Kemp along with third baseman Andy LaRoche and Class AA left-hander Clayton Kershaw.”

    That’s a whole lot of if.

  330. stuart November 19th, 2007 at 9:57 pm

    In Boston with my family. went on a tour of Fneway today.. Man what a band box reminds me of the old Yankee stadium with the polls….

    Man the boston dislike for NY is everywhere.. These people have a huge chip on there shoulder. maybe someone should tell them they are no longer the poor old red sux etc…

    the tour was not real good they are doing so much construction you could not go to the monster seats, etc..

    Lowell obviously wanted to stay in Boston the guy took a ton less money shows it is done on occasion…

  331. Beth November 19th, 2007 at 10:00 pm

    In the interest of full disclosure, I will state upfront that I am a Tigers fan. That being said, I would love to hear one of you explain how the Yankees got screwed because A-Rod got a measly 92% of the vote. If Gage and Hawkins had voted for him, you’d be up in arms about how they didn’t find a way to give him 110%. Would you still be squawking if he’d signed with the Angels? Be happy your guy won and put your outrage to use on something that really matters.

  332. whozat November 19th, 2007 at 10:02 pm

    “If they are willing to part with outfielder Matt Kemp along with third baseman Andy LaRoche and Class AA left-hander Clayton Kershaw.”

    Um…ARE they willing to do so? That’s the question.

    Regardless, the Angels are clearly planning to package an MLB-experienced pitcher in a deal for SOME bat. If it’s not one Miggy, it’ll be the other. I figured they were going to send a pitcher and Wood and maybe someone else for Cabrera, and then have Aybar play short. But, since they freed up SS…maybe it’s Tejada and they’ll keep Figgy at 3B, or bring up Wood to play there.

    I figure that pretty much takes both teams out of the Santana running, though. They won’t really have much left to trade.

  333. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") November 19th, 2007 at 10:05 pm

    Brandon–love the name. I think we should all be supporters of Alex being Alex!

    thanks I thought about this because people wat him to be this, do that, say this, say that, react like this…..

    STFU is what I say!

    if Boston can have Manny being Manny than dammit NYC can do “Alex being Alex” :D

  334. gayle November 19th, 2007 at 10:10 pm

    Just read Tyler Kepner of the NYT see below quote. Guess someone else also had a role in reuniting A-rod with the Yankees. I have a feeling when Alex goes through the entire process A-Z ,as he says, it will be a very interesting tale

    “Guess which teammate A-Rod leaned on most when deciding how to come back to the Yankees after the World Series opt-out fiasco?
    It wasn’t Jeter, of course. It was Rivera, who advised Rodriguez to engage the Steinbrenners directly and let them know how he felt. That is what happened, and now both Rodriguez and Rivera are back.”

  335. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 10:15 pm

    gayle: Wow, I wouldn’t have thought that, but I guess if Rivera did do that he never had intentions of leaving!

  336. mel November 19th, 2007 at 10:15 pm

    Beth,

    The Yankees didn’t get screwed and half of us don’t even like Alex.

    The two votes for Mags wouldn’t stand out if writers from outside the greater Detroit area had voted for him as well. Perhaps there weren’t more votes for Ordonez because the Tigers didn’t make the playoffs.

    Maybe you should voice your outrage to Rob Neyer. He’s a baseball analyst at ESPN. Here’s his blog. Read the last line.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/esp.....dNeyer_Rob

  337. stuart November 19th, 2007 at 10:21 pm

    beth,

    the 2 first place votes for Ordonez were detroit writers.. i am not a fan of Arod and wish he left but he deserved the MVP. He had the best season by far…

    The angels are going to get cabrera from the marlins..

    The trade for Garland seems stupid to me from the angels perspective!!!The white sux if they add Hunter also are going to be much improved offensively, their pitching is another story..

  338. Fleas November 19th, 2007 at 10:25 pm

    hmmm

    I asked a simple question..

    I received some really good answers. However, your smug replies showed how brilliant you are. In case I have to spell it out for you that was an insult.

    I’d say more, but your not worth it. Enough said.

    Anyhow, I do agree that Joe G is going to make a difference. However, if we have the same BP as we had last year.. minus Joba.. then we are not in good shape at all. Our BP was horrible, Joba rocked and Mo — far from dominant Mo — surely held his own in the second half. What else did that give us? A broken Viz, Farns, Bruney, Britton, Henn,Edwar… all stunk for most of the season, sure they had a couple decent runs (Viz, Farns) But our BP is in total disarray..

    You have every right to disagree with me, but please be polite. Just because someone doesn’t have the same opinion as you do.. it doesn’t make their opinion less valid. I have to say that for the children here.. *cough.. hmmm.. what was his name?

  339. Adrian-Retire21 November 19th, 2007 at 10:26 pm

    I thought the Dodgers were in the lead for Cabrera.I hope Cabrera goes to the Angels so the A’s will have that fire sale.

  340. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 10:28 pm

    Umm, can we stop with the personal attacks?

    Please?

    It’s so juvenile.

  341. mel November 19th, 2007 at 10:28 pm

    They say to add 3/4 of a run to NL pitcher’s ERA to project how he would do in the AL.

    Is there any adjustment at all for sluggers/hitters going from the NL to the AL because of the better pitching they may face?

  342. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 10:31 pm

    Beth,

    anyone who honestly thinks Ordonez had a better season numbers-wise than ARod should not be allowed to vote for baseball or for our president. that said, its almost impossible to say he was more valuable when the yanks made the playoffs and detroit didnt. if Vlad got the 2 votes, maybe. if Ortiz got them, perhaps. but not Maggs from 2 Detroit writers. its pitiful and you are clearly a casual, misinformed detroit fan. not your fault but its probably not a good idea for you to question fans who know quite a bit more than you do. if you want to ask, thats fine. but your tone and approach is laughable.

  343. Adrian-Retire21 November 19th, 2007 at 10:34 pm

    mel-should be.I mean besides Zambrano,and Jake Peavy theres not much else.Think about Santana in the N.L.Three no-hitters in one month.

    Speaking of bullpens. I heard we might get Ron Mahay.A lefty reliver with a Era under 3 and good numbers against lefites no draw back is he 37.

  344. whozat November 19th, 2007 at 10:38 pm

    “it doesn’t make their opinion less valid.”

    No. But you know what does make someone’s opinion less valid? When they base it on emotion instead of reason. You’re cranky that the team lost in October, and thus consider that team to be bad – which is naive. You’re basing your opinion of a team on four games, which is just dumb.

    Does the pen need work? Every team’s pen always needs work. It’s November. The winter meetings haven’t even happened yet. Relax.

  345. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 10:38 pm

    adrian – the ONLY drawback? mike myers had an ERA under 3 also. stop looking at one year’s ERA and saying its a good idea to sign him to a 3yr/10-12M deal.

  346. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 10:41 pm

    Astros are about to sign Kaz Matsui. I wonder if they actually care about winning.

  347. whozat November 19th, 2007 at 10:42 pm

    “no draw back is he 37.”

    That’s a drawback. Especially since he’ll almost certainly command a multi-year deal. See: Jamie Walker last year.

  348. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 10:42 pm

    i guess he would be a decent leadoff guy for them. but no savior.

  349. Adrian-Retire21 November 19th, 2007 at 10:46 pm

    Boston Dave-I didn’t say it was a great idea but name another good lefty reliever on the market maybe you can use
    Sean Henn as a alternative.

    Also remeber Mike Myers was pretty good until Ron Gudiry mess wit Mike Myers pitching stance to make him effective against righties.Also after May Joe Torre the bullpen genius was so desperate to eat innings because of our great starting staff he made Myers for almost a month as a long man reliever sometimes using him 3 innings at a time.THats a good way to mess with a LOOGY.

    And with Mariano and JC Romero contract 3yrs/$12million isn’t crazy.The Codero might make $10 million a year which is insane a year ago.

  350. fleas November 19th, 2007 at 10:46 pm

    “When they base it on emotion instead of reason.”

    Uh.. what? I watched almost every game last season.. this has nothing to do with the post season. How you can draw that conclusion is beyond me..

    The BP over all last year was horrible. Excluding Joba and Mo. Viz was good for about 2 months… Did you even watch a lot games last year? I guess talking with emotion is a lot better than talking out your a**.

  351. gayle November 19th, 2007 at 10:52 pm

    Boston Dave – kaz matsui had a pretty good year I am suprised the Rockies didnt want him back and would not fault the Astros for going after him. We here in NY have a somewhat tarnished image of him from his Mets days where he was plain awful but since he left here has not been bad at all

  352. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") November 19th, 2007 at 10:52 pm

    it’s stupid from the W.Soxs they could have gotten more for Garland, that just adds more SP depth to LAA to deal

  353. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 10:54 pm

    Adrian,

    then they should sign myers to a 1yr deal. mahay is no better than myers and will command a 3 year deal for at least 10mil. cordero has proven he’s pretty good. just because one team made a monstrous mistake in signing romero for that much doesnt mean the yanks should do the same. i guess i am asking you what makes you think mahay would succeed during his 3 year deal. i just dont like when teams look at one good season in a contract year and sign guys long term… a la farnsworth, jaret wright. the fans in here tend to rip farnsworth but the thing is… he is pitching exactly like he did most of his career. he had ONE good season. its the yankees fault for assuming he would continue to outperform his averages.

  354. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 10:55 pm

    Brandon–good point. I’m going to start using that—Alex being Alex.

  355. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 10:56 pm

    gayle, kaz hit .330 in colorado and .249 away. nuff said.

  356. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 10:58 pm

    Alex Being Alex is nice for now, but when the season starts we should go for team unity ;)

  357. Adrian-Retire21 November 19th, 2007 at 11:00 pm

    Remember the bullpen is part of the pitching staff.Yes the past four yers our bullpen staff has been bad.But when you haven’t found a 5th of the rotation guy or anyone to go 200innings and how Brian Bruney had more strikeouts in April then anyone even the starting staff and him and The VIZ were the only good pitcher on that staff in April and were used way too much because Pettitte and WAnd were injuried is sad.

    When you have Carl Pavano opening the year you will kill the bullpen.I blame Wang for being injuried back to back years PettitTe for starting late also.Why isn’t the startig staff the main villian every year.THey have caused this team to fail every year.And this year the reason why we didn’t get into the ALCS is because of Wang and his 19 Era in the ALDS to go with his 19 wins.

  358. Buddy Biancalana November 19th, 2007 at 11:03 pm

    I have read that Alex being Alex somewhere else, not sure I dig it, especially being a ripoff of Manny.

  359. Adrian-Retire21 November 19th, 2007 at 11:04 pm

    Boston Dave-I was saying the JC Romero contract made overrated relievers command larger deals.Any pitcher you get is gonna command more then one year.As they should since the starting pitching market is worse.And yeah Codero is good in the weakest division in baseball and a 6 ERa on the road.Yeah I would rather have Fransworth close.Also May also had a under 3 ERa last year.Again better then whats out there.

  360. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 11:04 pm

    Adrian, you’re somewhat right about that. I wouldnt blame Wang though. He has saved the bullpen more than he’s hurt it. And Pavano is not starting the season on the roster. he will be on the DL until mid-season. they do need to strengthen the bullpen. if a guy like karstens could be a quality long innings guy, that would be a huge help. and sign david riske!!

  361. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 11:05 pm

    I don’t really see it as ripping off Manny. I kind of look at it as mocking Manny. Because Alex is kind of the anti-Manny. In that he can complete a sentence.

  362. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 11:06 pm

    adrian, you are right.

    but why should the yankees fall into that trap? if you are saying these average to mediocre relievers are being overpayed, then why is it a good idea to keep signing them? i know they want a lefty specialist, but unless there is one who can actually get the job done… dont sign a guy just for the sake of signing someone. maybe mahay can do it. i just dont think his career #s and what i’ve seen support that. if they could get him for 2 yrs then maybe. but i wouldnt count on him being that great.

  363. Buddy Biancalana November 19th, 2007 at 11:08 pm

    Andrea

    Ok, completing a sentence is a great point, but still not buying into it.

  364. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 11:10 pm

    Buddy: eh, I’d never seen it before. I thought it was funny. I liked it only because when Alex is Alex and not “oh god, who do they want me to be,” he hits 54 home runs and has 156 RBI :)

  365. Buddy Biancalana November 19th, 2007 at 11:12 pm

    Torii Hunter could be on the White Sox very soon.

  366. Ducky Bent November 19th, 2007 at 11:13 pm

    rumors are Miguel Cabrerais likely going to the Dodgers :)

    Well, the good thing about Lowell re-signing with the Sox is that it takes them out of the running for Miggy, who would have been Manny v. 2 for the next 10 years.

    Lowell with the Sox? I’ll take it. WS MVP or no WS MVP. He really isn’t anything special and despite his decent numbers, his bat has slowed tremendously. He can’t get any better.

  367. Buddy Biancalana November 19th, 2007 at 11:14 pm

    Andrea-

    I do like your “Re-Enter Sandman” blog entry very much, however.

  368. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 11:16 pm

    ducky, i think you’re right about that.

  369. Buddy Biancalana November 19th, 2007 at 11:17 pm

    Too bad the Red Sox won’t re sign Gagne.

  370. Ducky Bent November 19th, 2007 at 11:17 pm

    With MR MVP A-Rod back and our potent offense restored (and only to get better in 2009 after the Yanks wave bye bye to Giambi and replace him), and with Joba, Hughes and Ian in the rotation, things are looking pretay, pretay good.

    Now if only we can get Santana for Andy Phillips, I’ll be ecstatic. Think the Twins will bite?

  371. Adrian-Retire21 November 19th, 2007 at 11:20 pm

    Boston DAve-

    You Make a strong point thats the reason why our bullpen isn’t great either.I just think justwe need to be like Boston they had starting pitchers who even though gave up a lots of runs still pitched in the 6 and 7 and would win those bad games by there offense.THats means you see the closer more and the setup man.And limiting the bad bullpen guys.Can’t throw MO in a game up 4 or 5 runs.The AL did what were good at gettimg the starting pitcher out at the 5 and 6 th inning and forcing us to use the back of the bullpen guys and for more then one inning.I mean I saw Myers once in the first innings when Rasner broke his finger.WE need 200 innings pitchers but more imporant health and that means WAng and Hughes who are young but has Health issues too many ?????

  372. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 11:21 pm

    Buddy: thanks! I suck at blogs…

    and you never know about Gagne–they did sign Drew to quite a few years…they like their crappy veterans for long contracts.

  373. Buddy Biancalana November 19th, 2007 at 11:24 pm

    Is it me or do I need to have like 5 beers to understand Adrian’s posts?

  374. Ducky Bent November 19th, 2007 at 11:26 pm

    Andrea, other than Drew (and Manny from the old regime), the Sox do the exact opposite. If anything, the Yanks sign players to contracts that are too long. The Sox seem to be more prudent than the Yanks with the contracts they hand out.

  375. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 11:26 pm

    Ducky–Not quite ;)

  376. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 11:26 pm

    OH! something else Joe G said on Mike and the Mad Dog that I kind of liked. When asked about 1B, he said that the Yankees had Andy Phillips and Shelley Duncan to play 1B, as well as Jason Giambi.

  377. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 11:27 pm

    Andrea, definitely… i just dont see that happening. they arent going to push Joba, Hughes, or Kennedy. Mussina is never going to be a 7-8 inning pitcher again. Wang and Pettite would be fine. they just dont have the horses to go 200+ innings or hurl complete games this coming season (right now). they need guys like karstens and the others to come up big.

  378. Ducky Bent November 19th, 2007 at 11:28 pm

    ducky, i think you’re right about that.

    Boston Dave, I was doing cartwheels when I heard the Sox signed Lowell.

  379. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 11:29 pm

    Ducky: yes and no. They’ve got some good contracts, and some very bad ones. I’d say Lugo and Drew are some crapy contracts. Isn’t Hinske a pretty hefty one too?

  380. pat November 19th, 2007 at 11:30 pm

    Statement from Alex Rodriguez 11/19/07

    Winning my third Most Valuable Player award today is something that holds special significance to me. There are so many gifted players in this game, and I don’t for a moment take this achievement for granted. I shouldn’t need to remind anyone of the MVP-caliber seasons that Magglio Ordonez, Vladimir Guerrero, Jorge Posada, David Ortiz and several other AL players put together. My sincere thanks to the Baseball Writers Association of America for this great honor.

    I want thank my teammates for putting me in the position to succeed as much as they did this season. It’s fun to analyze and dissect individual statistics, but baseball is a team game. I’m proud of the season I had, but sharing it with teammates who care about each other, and who work towards a common goal makes it that much more special.

    I also want to thank the fans of New York. It’s no coincidence that we played at such a high level at Yankee Stadium, and a big part of that success is undoubtedly tied to the excitement that they bring to each game. Hearing 55,000 Yankees fans chanting “MVP” is such a special feeling, and it will be a lasting memory that I will always carry with me. It’s no secret I fed off their energy, and I feel like I did my best to bring that same type of enthusiasm and excitement to them.

    I grew as a person, and grew into my surroundings in 2007. There is no way for me to quantify how much those things played a part in the season I had, but they certainly did. Enjoying and loving what you do is the key to any type of success in life, and I am thankful I was able to find that in 2007.

    Before I close, I’d like to thank the countless numbers of you who have taken the time to send e-mails with your questions, opinions and support. I also would like to wish you and your families a Happy and Blessed Thanksgiving.

  381. Ducky Bent November 19th, 2007 at 11:30 pm

    Ducky–Not quite ;)

    Andrea, why do you say that? How many bad contracts to the Sox have out there. Better yet, in comparison to our Yanks?

  382. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 11:30 pm

    Ducky, dead on with that. but in order to get the top free agents, the sox are going to have to give 5 or 6 seasons. they were lucky to sign beckett when they did. with his ego, he’d want 8yrs/$200 million after this season.

  383. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 11:32 pm

    …He’s thanking the fans?

    Okay, now I know A-Rod’s grown a pair…

    I can’t wait for April.

    March.

    February.

  384. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 11:33 pm

    Ducky, I’d rather the Sox not have Lowell back IF I knew they were going to get a guy like Crede and not Miggy or a top 3b. I just think his defense is huge and he is made for that park. No chance he matches his #s from this season (well, almost no chance) but they were fortunate to only have to sign him for 3 years. i think if he were on the yankees, he’d have found a way to get the yanks to give 4 or 5 years. players know the yankees will pay up and give long contracts so they force them to. they need to change that trend.

  385. whozat November 19th, 2007 at 11:37 pm

    “The BP over all last year was horrible. Excluding Joba and Mo. Viz was good for about 2 months… Did you even watch a lot games last year?”

    Fleas:

    Actually, yes. I watched most of the games too. Yes, the bullpen had problems. Does that mean the whole team was bad? No. And you weren’t coming in here whining about the pen. You whined that the team was the same as last year, which we’ve shown you is false.

    You want to talk about the pen now?

    Ok. Yes, the team needs to get better relief performance. One thing that will help this is having the starting staff average over 5 IP per start in the early going. Last April the whole team was a DISASTER except for Andy, Alex, Jorge and Jeter. And mostly Mo. All the relievers were burned out by May. So, having a good and healthy starting staff (not unreasonable, given the bizarre nature of the injuries last April) will help a lot. Also, the starters need to go deeper into games in general. Given the upgrades in the rotation (Joba, Hughes > Igawa and Pavano/Karstens/random kid), this is also reasonable. Lastly, the potential emergence of guys like Ohlendorf, Britton (great in the minors, solid in the majors in very limited chances), Veras, etc may help. Also, they will OF COURSE get some new arms.

    ONE team has acquired a reliever thus far, and they made a bad trade to do so. Would you prefer the Yanks started doing that?

  386. Ducky Bent November 19th, 2007 at 11:37 pm

    Ducky: yes and no. They’ve got some good contracts, and some very bad ones. I’d say Lugo and Drew are some crapy contracts. Isn’t Hinske a pretty hefty one too?

    Lugo, yes, though 8 million doesn’t exactly set the market. Hinske’s 2007 contract was for 5.6 mil, almost 3 mil of that coming from the Blue Jays.

    Don’t get me wrong, the Sox are nowhere near perfect and have made some weird moves, but generally they are very prudent, especially with not giving out contracts that are too long. Three years seems to be the max they go in most cases.

  387. Ducky Bent November 19th, 2007 at 11:41 pm

    Boston Dave,

    I agree that the Sox will need to make exceptions to land top free agents. I do think that they’ll make those exceptions to land someone like Santana, where it makes sense.

    As for Lowell, you are 100% correct. He is made for Fenway and yes, someone like Crede would have been a downgrade, but as long as I don’t hear Miggy and the Sox in the same sentence, I’m happy. You never know.

    But, I also think that to an extent, the Sox were giddy with Lowell’s MVP performance in the WS, something he’ll be hard-pressed to match again.

  388. Adrian-Retire21 November 19th, 2007 at 11:42 pm

    I still think Damon is gonna show the Red Sox they should have given him 4 years.He will have a bounce back year.He is only 33.

  389. whozat November 19th, 2007 at 11:44 pm

    “How many bad contracts to the Sox have out there. Better yet, in comparison to our Yanks?”

    JD Drew. The awful Matt Clement deal just ended. Brendan Donnelly. Varitek. Lugo. Crisp hasn’t performed like a 5 million dollar player either.

    And, frankly, the Matsuzaka signing really doesn’t look so good either. He consistently got beaten by good teams, consistently walked lots of guys and took 120 pitches to get through 6 innings, and was awful in the postseason. Worth 100 mil over 6 years?

    Granted, Pavano was worse. Of course, no one thought that signing would be THIS bad. And other teams (including the Sox) had the same offer on the table. Igawa has been worse than Matsuzaka, clearly. Giambi turned out to be a bad contract. Damon may yet turn out to be, we’ll see. Kyle is.

  390. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 11:45 pm

    no doubt Ducky. The Sox have very few bad contracts. all of a sudden they are a very young team and most of their key pieces arent free agents for a few seasons. im not happy about it…

  391. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 11:46 pm

    Ducky: the “not quite” was Rebecca…not me.

    I’m a bit too lazy right now, but I was basically just thinking Drew, Hinske and Lugo had some pretty hefty contracts.

    The Red Sox have the 2nd largest payroll, behind the Yankees. They must have SOME ridiculous contracts. They can’t all be perfect.

  392. Ducky Bent November 19th, 2007 at 11:47 pm

    Adrian,

    Damon is an old 33, with shoulder problems. He can barely throw and his days in CF are pretty much over. I like that he’s a gutty player, can be decent offensively and works the pitchers. That said, even though Crisp has been a disappointment, I’m sure they don’t regret not keeping Damon for the money and length of contract he wanted.

  393. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 11:48 pm

    whozat, i disagree with crisp. $5M for his defense alone is worth it. look at what juan pierre got. yack… crisp has been disappointing overall. but not for the money.

    the sox mistakes are mostly 3 year mistakes. the yankees have some much longer mistakes. thats one of the big differences. the media definitely focuses on the yankees bad signings over the sox though. that is a joke.

  394. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 11:48 pm

    Wow. I didn’t realize so much of Hinske’s salary was coming from the Blue Jays. I guess that’s actually a pretty good contract.

  395. Adrian-Retire21 November 19th, 2007 at 11:49 pm

    I also think Brian is not reading the pitcher deals or trades right.WE invest $46 million on a Japanese Prospect and last year Beckett deal looked awful is now a major steal.

    C’mon Jaret Wright failed his first physical.I mean everybody didn’t want Jaret.

    I know Brian is doing good with the farm but we can help the future and win with $200 million at the same time.Too many bite you in the @$$ deals.

  396. Ducky Bent November 19th, 2007 at 11:49 pm

    Andrea,

    Sorry for attributing that quote to you.

    Hmmm. Sox have won the WS twice since 2004. Their payroll is 2nd, but significantly less than the Yanks. They can’t be doing too many wrong things.

    But yes, I agree with you. They have made some shady moves, but overall you can’t argue with most of their moves given the results.

  397. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 11:51 pm

    speaking of bad contracts, i think we will be looking back at some of them from this offseason (hunter, rowand, andruw, carlos silva, jc romero, kyle lohse)…

    some of them are pretty good now. but some are getting 6 year deals. that is the problem.

  398. Krusty November 19th, 2007 at 11:51 pm

    Theo is still eating Edgar Renteria’s contract.

    $8 out of $9 million 2008 salary.

  399. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 11:52 pm

    No problem. I don’t mind being attributed, I just can’t answer your question when it’s not my quote :)

    A lot of their moves look awful to begin with–I mean, who would have thought Mike Lowell would have turned out to be a World Series MVP. Maybe Theo has a crystal ball.

  400. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 11:52 pm

    Ducky–The not quite was in reference to your asking if the Twins would take Phillips for Santana ;)

  401. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 11:52 pm

    honestly, the yankees can afford to take more risks than other teams. when you have more money, you can afford to take these risks. i think thats what it comes down to. of course you’re going to have more bad deals… and more good deals (hopefully) when you take more risks.

  402. Krusty November 19th, 2007 at 11:55 pm

    Theo rarely receives bad press.

    The only heat he’s taken was over the Gagne trade.

  403. Ducky Bent November 19th, 2007 at 11:55 pm

    Andrea,

    That’s what kills me about the Sox! I laugh at some of their moves and the next thing you know, the players I laughed at are celebrating on the field! I think Theo DOES have a crystal ball. Just look at his Dave Roberts pickup in 2004.

    Rebecca,

    lol…oops. So you don’t think Phillips for Santana is doable, eh? ;)

  404. Boston Dave November 19th, 2007 at 11:56 pm

    If the white sox sign Torii Hunter (possibly to a 6yr deal):

    their main guys:
    Torri 33. Orlando Cabrera is 33, Jermaine Dye turns 34 in January, Paul Konerko turns 32 in March and Jim Thome is 37.

    good luck with that…

  405. Rebecca--Optimist Prime November 19th, 2007 at 11:56 pm

    Ducky:

    Wouldn’t it be great if it was?

  406. Andrea November 19th, 2007 at 11:57 pm

    Krusty: but in the long run, Gagne didn’t even end up hurting anything.

    Ducky: freaking Dave Roberts. Ugh.

  407. Ducky Bent November 20th, 2007 at 12:00 am

    Theo is still eating Edgar Renteria’s contract.

    $8 out of $9 million 2008 salary.

    Good point. Rentawrecka was an awful move. Didn’t they also give up Marte in that deal that eventually landed Crisp?

    On another note, wouldn’t you love it if we had to “eat” only 10 million of Giambi’s 18 mil contract?

  408. Krusty November 20th, 2007 at 12:03 am

    They traded a good, young starting pitcher and a top line prospect for rent-a-gag.

    They also paid Gagne a to lift his limited no-trade clause

    It was a bad deal. they won in spite of him. he was an additional obstacle.

  409. Ducky Bent November 20th, 2007 at 12:04 am

    Rebecca,
    We can only dream.

    Andrea,
    Yeah, I know. Sorry. It even pained me to type his name. Dumb move on my part for mentioning him.

  410. pat November 20th, 2007 at 12:05 am

    If only Giambi’s contract was 18 million! It’s 21 million for 2008 and 22 million or a 5 million buyout for 2009. It would cost 26 million to make Jason go away.

  411. Ducky Bent November 20th, 2007 at 12:06 am

    Funny you mention Gagne. I still think he has something left in his tank and hope that the Sox don’t re-sign him based on his crappy performances.

    It’s gonna sound weird, but he might be worth a shot on the Yanks. Can’t be much worse than Farns.

  412. Buddy Biancalana November 20th, 2007 at 12:06 am

    I think the Sox maybe be paying a bit of Orlando Cabrera’s contract.

  413. Andrea November 20th, 2007 at 12:06 am

    Ducky: it’s ok. I suppose I can forgive you. And why do we want to get rid of Phillips. We like him! Why can’t we get rid of someone we don’t like. And that does NOT include Matt DeSalvo. I heart Matty.

  414. Ducky Bent November 20th, 2007 at 12:06 am

    pat,

    Thanks for the correction re Giambi.

  415. Buddy Biancalana November 20th, 2007 at 12:07 am

    Gagne is looking to sign with Texas or Houston as a closer.

  416. Krusty November 20th, 2007 at 12:09 am

    How many times has Theo tried to dump Manny?

    He place Manny on waivers in 2003, all but daring The Boss to claim him. The Boss went with Sheffield instead.

    He tried to trade Manny to Texas for Arod in 2004.

    He tried to trade Manny at trading deadline in 2005.

    That’s some crystal ball.

  417. Krusty November 20th, 2007 at 12:09 am

    Oh, he tried to trade Manny to the Mets in winter 05 meetings.

  418. Ducky Bent November 20th, 2007 at 12:11 am

    Andrea,

    Awww..Your forgiveness ia warming.

    And as much as I kinda like Phillips as a person, I’d give him up plus some family members in order to land Santana.

  419. Ducky Bent November 20th, 2007 at 12:14 am

    Krusty,

    While your argument may hold true (regarding Manny) I’m just looking at the results.

    And to be quite honest, I think that most of the Manny talk was to shake him up and keep him in line after his (Manny’s) yearly threats.

    They could have pulled Manny for Tejada (when Tejada was on top of his game) and backed out. They did the same with the Mets with Milledge the year before.

  420. Trish November 20th, 2007 at 12:19 am

    The Yankees have a built in oops line in their budget. Selling 4 million + tickets combined with YES revenues (which are not subject to revenue sharing) and the savings from not having to pay 30% of revenues while the stadium is being built probably give them more money to oops with than most teams pay in payroll in 2 or 3 years.

    Mr. Steinbrenner paid 10 Million dollars for the Yankees and 30 years later there are a number of players on the team who make more than that in a year.

  421. Buddy Biancalana November 20th, 2007 at 12:19 am

    What do yous guys think of David “Boomer” Wells trying to weasel his way back on to the Yankees? Could be a nice stand in for Pettitte?? LOL

  422. Ducky Bent November 20th, 2007 at 12:21 am

    Buddy,

    I didn’t hear about Boomer. I thought he signed a minor league contract with the Padres. Coulda sworn I read that somewhere.

  423. Ducky Bent November 20th, 2007 at 12:23 am

    Any links, Buddy?

  424. Adrian-Retire21 November 20th, 2007 at 12:25 am

    I think he was just kidding.Wells is linked to a maybe the Mets.But most likley to stay in the West Coast.

  425. Buddy Biancalana November 20th, 2007 at 12:26 am

    Boomer:

    http://www.baseballfans.net/ya.....#038;page=

  426. Ducky Bent November 20th, 2007 at 12:30 am

    Thanks, Buddy.

    I’d say the chances are slim to none.

  427. Adrian-Retire21 November 20th, 2007 at 12:30 am

    I can’t see Wells as a stater.I guess we got a lefty specialist.

  428. J-Dawg November 20th, 2007 at 12:31 am

    Wow, that game didn’t exactly go the way that I wanted. But congrats to the Broncos, they definitely outplayed us.

    Nothing that Boomer says or does surprises me anymore. David Wells thrives off of attention. He has always said that he’s the one with the rubber arm. He may still be pitching ten years from now, either that or becoming a full-time author. :)

  429. Ducky Bent November 20th, 2007 at 12:33 am

    When Boomer signed with the Sox he officially became dirt to me.

  430. Buddy Biancalana November 20th, 2007 at 12:37 am

    Ducky-

    He definitely sold his soul when he signed that deal with the Blow Sox.

  431. Ducky Bent November 20th, 2007 at 12:38 am

    Would have been a bunmmer if the Yanks stood pat in not negotiating with A-Rod and then to see him win the MVP, knowing that he wouldn’t be back.

    What a relief.

  432. Adrian-Retire21 November 20th, 2007 at 12:39 am

    No David Wells leaving 2003 game 5 with back spasms.When he was nursing it without telling anyone before even that game.

  433. Ducky Bent November 20th, 2007 at 12:40 am

    I hear ya Buddy. All that talk about worshiping the Yanks and Babe Ruth became a bunch of bullcrap the day he inked with the Sux.

    No one who worships the Yanks would ever consider wearing that softball uniform the Sox wear.

  434. Ducky Bent November 20th, 2007 at 12:41 am

    Adrian,

    The other side of the story is that he DID tell Mel and Mel made him pitch through it. Who knows?

  435. ray November 20th, 2007 at 12:44 am

    A-Point
    November 19th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
    Virgin Island – Red Saux fan…

    “When a player is a career .273 hitter, and they have ONE SINGLE YEAR over .300, then its one of two things.

    PEDs or a blip. Now, which one do you think?

    Lowell has never before this past season hit in the .300’s. Never. He was traded as a giveaway/salary dump because he wasn’t that good.

    He is a decent player, but the likelihood of him repeating a performance like last season is laughable.

    Just like A-Rod will most likely not put up numbers like he did this past year again. In fact its far more likely that A-Rod will repeat than it is for Lowell to repeat.

    Gotta take off those Red Sox glasses you have on.”

    A Point…….If what you say is accurate then you have a lot of explaining to do about Posada (who I personally think is a very good player). Posada’s lifetime batting average is .277 and has never batted over 300 until this year. By your reasoning Posada’s season last year was either a blip or due to PED’s. So what is the big difference between Lowell and Posada? Perhaps you need to take off your Yankee glasses!

  436. kasey November 20th, 2007 at 12:54 am

    wait, a-rod is ballsy for thanking his fans? how’s that?

    pretty ballsy move of him to wish everyone a happy thanksgiving, too. gritty, gutys, ballsy move.

    mahay: villone v 2.0

    riske: i wouldn’t mind seeing it happen. he’s younger than most of the other guys out there on the market.

    farnsworth: love seeing people count on this guy again. it’s not as if he’s been terribly inconsistent for the entirety of his career. oh, wait. i’m sure THIS is the year he turns it around though. you know what they say about relief pitchers, the older they get, the better they get. except not at all. nobody says that at all. wake up.

    miggy cabrera: would have loved to have seen it happen. but, as it stands, we’re looking at a decade of the alex rodriguez soap opera. whatever. the same people who are overjoyed with the signing are going to be killing the guy come his first double-play, to say nothing of what they’re going to do when he fails again in october. but this is his year. i mean, after all, he had the testicular fortitude to THANK HIS FANS!

  437. A-Point November 20th, 2007 at 1:03 am

    Why would I think any differently about Posada having an unusal year, and will most likely revert to form? You sox fans are too much. How pathetic you are over the least little comment against any of your players.

    I certainly have no expectation that Jorge Posada will put up numbers that he did this year. I do expect that he will be a good catcher who can work with the young pitching staff.

    The real difference is that I didn’t make one single comment about Posada keeping up his batting as he did this year. However, Sox fans all seem to think that Lowell will be magic now that he is a sox player.

    Who is delusional?

  438. Tom November 20th, 2007 at 5:16 pm

    Wow. A-Rod’s season was one of the 10 best in the history of the game? Nope. A quick check of the Babe’s Baseball Reference page (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ruthba01.shtml) shows that his 1920-1931 run produced 10 seasons of equal or greater value than A-Rod’s. Throw in Hack Wilson in 1930, Lou Gehrig in 1927, 1930, 1931 and 1934 and Williams in 1949, and he’s not even top 10 anymore. Sorry.


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