Comments on: Santana stokes the hot stove

By: Adrian-Retire21

Adrian-Retire21 — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:12:11 +0000

Does anybody understand how nasty Santana will be.If a overrated Chien-Ming Wang can win 19 games,if a 40 year old Randy Johnson can win 17 Santana will win 20 games.

But the Yankees have to go into the winter meetings knowing Pettitte might not come back.And Santana is just turning 29.If we give him a six year Extension he will be only what two years outside of his Prime.

He is a more dominat Pettitte.You know someone who acutally strikeout hitters,starts the season not in the DL,maybe SAntana will play better against the Red Sox then Pettitte and Chien-Ming Wang who sucked.

But hey most people want the Yankees to rebuild this year. two Years ago When Brian Cashman said he will go into the season with Bubba Crosby in center would have been a disater.Brian is gonna trade one of these pitchers.Prepare and be Thankful it’s only one Big Pitching prospect,a overrated Center Fielder and a outfield prospect who has only been good for three months.

By: Dan

Dan — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:47:30 +0000

Boston Dave

Dan, that’s great. But 5IP isnt enough to make the case that Hughes pitched better than Joba. I think you make a good point that Joba is overshadowing Hughes too much, but right now do you really think Hughes is considered to be the better of the two by most GMs or scouts?

Dave, you have a point.

Here are tables of their post-season numbers (which you make a good point, 5 innings isnt enough). So I decided to include their minor league careers (Hughes, Joba, Kennedy). In the largest sampling by far, Hughes has the best WHIP and BAA (batting average against) and a better ERA than Joba.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9131/tablehg1.jpg

By: Jax

Jax — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:35:49 +0000

I wouldn’t read too much into what scouts have to say comparing the two because scouts too at time focus too much on velocity. Kennedy is/was predicted to be no better than a fifth starter. Many scouts aren’t sold on Kennedy. They aren’t fans of his because he doesn’t have the great fastball. Much to there surprise a few anonymously said they where a bit surprised how well he pitched in the minors and how quick he’s made it to the major leagues.

By: Boston Dave

Boston Dave — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:21:36 +0000

Dan, that’s great. But 5IP isnt enough to make the case that Hughes pitched better than Joba. I think you make a good point that Joba is overshadowing Hughes too much, but right now do you really think Hughes is considered to be the better of the two by most GMs or scouts?

By: Dan

Dan — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:16:46 +0000

ah [bleep]

made a typo in the table, the 9 under BB should be 0
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1685/tableoh0.jpg

By: Dan

Dan — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:15:08 +0000

table didn’t really work above, hopefully this one does

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/3948/tablegb5.jpg

By: Boston Dave

Boston Dave — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:15:06 +0000

Jax, sure. I just dont like the argument that Joba throws fast so that’s why everyone thinks so highly of him. He didnt just get hitters out. He made them look foolish with a filthy slider, and a plus curve in addition to that high 90’s fastball. I don’t think there is a GM in baseball that would rather have Hughes, as of this moment, than Joba.

By: Jax

Jax — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:11:06 +0000

Boston Dave Joba also was only pitching one inning at a time rarely facing the same hitters. That got everyone excited too because he was dominating but I say look the way he was doing it. Had he been starting like Hughes facing hitters once he would have been getting hit just like Hughes was at times.

By: Dan

Dan — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:09:13 +0000

Shamus And Phil Hughes demonstrated that exceptional control of his well sitting on the DL for months over a hammy.

Sensing a hint of sarcasm here... But he did demonstrate it in the post-season where he was the arguably the Yankees best starter. I'll compare him to Pettitte who you could argue was the best also.

          W-L   ERA    IP    K   BB  WHIP   BAA
HUGHES:   1-0   1.59   5.2   6   0   0.53   .143
PETTITTE: 0-0   0.00   6.1   5   2   1.42   .375

I'll let the numbers speak for themselves

By: Shamus

Shamus — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:00:08 +0000

And Phil Hughes demonstrated that exceptional control of his well sitting on the DL for months over a hammy.

Thanks Boston Dave… I too am so tired of reading Giambi, Damon and Farnsworth in a three-way for Haren and Johan crap.

Would I hate to see Hughes go? Yes. But from what I’ve read all over the net, the Twins just aren’t that big on IPK.

They want a top pitcher (either Joba or Hughes) plus a top position player with MLB experience (Cano or Melky) they can plug into the lineup ASAP. In addition they may want one or two ‘top, high-ceiling AA or AAA’ pitching or position prospects (a list that could include Alan Horne, Humberto Sanchez, Ross Ohlendorf, Brett Gardner, A-Jax or Jose Tabata).

As I’ve said, Hughes, Melky and one of Tababta/Gardner/Jackson WOULD get it done.

But, COULD a package of Horne, IPK, Melky and Gardner get it done?

That, is what Cashman will have to find out….