Comments on: Posada: Go get Santana

By: GL

GL — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:13:07 +0000

Doesn’t anyone wonder why a professional athlete who’s 35 coming off a solid year would be leaning towards retirement?

I too believe Roger has something to do with this. Andy is the ultimate competitor. The excuse of wanting to be with his family is comparitively weak. At the very least, there is more to this than meets the eye…

That being said…I love Andy and want him back!

By: farawayinPA

farawayinPA — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:37:42 +0000

Gene Michael’s comments on the sidebar at Espn.com reflect a voice of reason in the chaos of the Santana situation.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3133598

Other than the Torre decision, it seems as if the Yankees have finally woken up and begun acting rationally. Keep the kids, let Boston overpay in years and dollars for Santana, build from within, and get an ace or near-ace when the price is right. And only then.

Frankly, I noticed Pete’s comments earlier about Santana, and the stats do breed suspicion as to what would happen down the line. (Please no more Johnsons or Browns or Irabus or Vasquezes or Weavers or poor dear Ed Whitsons or Steve Trouts etc., etc, etc.).

The only significant, good trade for a pitcher that I can remember was Wells-Clemens. And Wells wasn’t too shabby for The Jays, it’s jut that Roger lasted longer for the Yankees. Yankee Stadium is littered with the carcasses of hopes for the next great pinstripe pitcher acquired through trade. Doesn’t happen. Excuse me, Wetteland was a trade in…1995.

Please correct me if I’m wrong. Traded pitchers, anyone?

Two thoughts:

1) The Yankees win when Gene Michael comes back into influence and for several years thereafter.

2) How does SJ44 get that info? Not a skeptic, just curious.

By: Tom McKenna

Tom McKenna — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:58:54 +0000

How many times does a Yankee fan above the age of reason have to say it?
I want to see these young guys pitch for the Yankees. Let Santana pitch for someone else.

By: marc

marc — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:32:25 +0000

everybody back from yankee hot stove?

By: Ducky Bent

Ducky Bent — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:00:05 +0000

Here is the part I’m confused about, regarding something Bobcat is saying. IF the Sox and/or Twins are planting these leaks just to drive up the Yank’s price, why the rumored low end deal with Lester, Crisp and Company? Why not “leak” that they are discussing trading Buchholz and/or Ellsbury to the Twins so the Yanks beef up their offer even further? Or if that would drive the Yanks away, something more attractive than Lester, Crisp, Lowrie, etc?

Bobcat, can you explain? What am I missing here?

By: Ura Hack

Ura Hack — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:47:28 +0000

Folks, Jon Lester is a mediocre soft-tosser, a #5 starter at best, and Coco Crisp is complete garbage. That story is ridiculous- Melky Cabrera alone is worth Lester and Crisp.

By: ET2012

ET2012 — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:28:26 +0000

If the Buster Olney report is right, and Santana winds up in Boston for Lester and Coco and a couple of unknowns, either the Minnesota GM has been hipnotized, or Theo is practicing vodoo-magic on the guy!!!

By: Shamus

Shamus — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:27:30 +0000

Pittsburgh fan…

Heyman and Olney were both Yankees beat writers for years and years.

However, Olney now works for pro-Sox ESPN, and Heyman is an SIguy…

But I usually trust Heyman to an extent… He has the NYY has the favs to land Johan.

By: small schools

small schools — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:25:50 +0000

I don’t remember the 70s and 80s because I was born in 1988, but my impression was that Steinbrenner grew obsessed with big-name speed guys during those years and hurt the team later on (losing guys like Jay Buhner, Al Leiter and I’m sure others). I agree; not all of our prospects will develop into great players. That’s why in my opinion Melky should be the one untouchable in any deal discussed; he’s already a very good player with an extremely promising future, and he transforms the dynamics of the team. I’m personally not as sold as the others as everyone else. But I think history has shown that trades like this rarely work out (not to say they never do, but the above examples prove that they usually don’t). And furthermore, on a not unrelated topic, I don’t want to be paying $20 for Bleachers seats (I already can’t afford anything else except the upper deck) because we have 70 million dollars locked up in three players when cheaper home-grown alternatives could do nearly as well. Everyone is bugging because they think we need an ACE to win a playoff series. But how will you react in a year if we trade Melky, Hughes Kennedy and Duncan for Santana, pay him 25 million, watch him win 18 games, and then have a terrible game in the playoffs (as any great pitcher regardless of name is prone to do occasionally, just ask Pettite or Wang). Will you think it was worth it then? Hell, what if we do that and those four help lead a suddenly stacked Twins team past us in that series (a front three of Liriano, Hughes and Kennedy is pretty good). All four of these guys are major league ready now, if even two of them develop out over time (and Melky is already on track) then this trade would likely go down as a bad one.

By: kunaldo

kunaldo — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:10:00 +0000

Small schools……Santana is not an “ace” pitcher….he’s an ACE pitcher….those guys were either coming off ONE good year and over valued, or were way past their prime

Santana had his worst statistical year in 07(not decline, aberration, he’s only started for 4 years!)……….and he was still like 5th in the Cy Young voting!!!

I love all our pitching prospects…but everybody has to stop drinking that kool-aid that all our prospects will bloom into stud pitchers…IT DOESNT HAPPEN! sure, some may, but more like one out of the top 3 we have…

That being said, I think we can hold onto Hughes…sox arent a real player, so i think kennedy cabrera and 2 other guys would do the trick