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Can the Yankees hold the line?

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 03, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Here’s what it comes down to in my opinion:

It’s a good deal if the Yankees hold on to Jose Tabata, Ian Kennedy, Austin Jackson, Alan Horne, Juan Miranda, Mark Melancon, Dellin Betances and Jesus Montero.

It’s a bad deal if they have to give up one of those players. Minnesota should demand a high price for Santana, he’s terrific. But his value in the trade market is lessened by the fact that the team trading for him also has to give him a huge contract.

It’s further lessened by his no-trade clause and apparent desire to play on the East Coast.

There is word that the Twins would be content to keep Santana and get the draft picks. Good for them. But if they want to trade him, they can’t expect three A-list players for him.

Hank Steinbrenner vows they won’t give up a third A-lister. But if the Red Sox dangle Jon Lester and Jacoby Ellsbury and the Twins demand more, what then?

Walk away, I say. The Yankees need Santana more than Boston. I bet if the Yankees walk, the Red Sox walk away just as quickly.

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165 Responses to “Can the Yankees hold the line?”

  1. jj December 3rd, 2007 at 2:36 am

    Ihope the twins keep santana and yanks sign him at the end of the season

  2. Global Warming December 3rd, 2007 at 2:38 am

    There is word that the Twins would be content to keep Santana and get the draft picks. Good for them

    I’ve been a big fan of the idea of trading anybody but Chamberlain/Cano to obtain Santana but that right there would be by far the best scenario.

    The Twins fooling themselves into thinking they can compete would be magnificent.

    Let Santana hit the market in 09 and bid away.

  3. Greg C December 3rd, 2007 at 2:39 am

    Great post Pete, I agree with everything you said.

  4. Global Warming December 3rd, 2007 at 2:40 am

    Oh and Hanks and the F.Os laughable deadline holds no water. I bet the Twins execs laughed their behinds off at the Yankees trying to draw a line in the sand.

    The Yankees word means NOTHING.

    And that really is a shame.

  5. Ice Age December 3rd, 2007 at 2:50 am

    well the twins execs can laugh their behinds off all they want once everyone gets sick of their sudden greediness and decide to move on with their prospects.

  6. PK December 3rd, 2007 at 2:51 am

    Continuing on Kasey’s comment from the last post:

    # kasey December 3rd, 2007 at 2:37 am

    1. fans who think alex came “crawling” back to hank, hat in hand, are suckers. here’s what happened: boras convinced alex he could get him 300 mil from somebody, so alex opted out on national television, which was a pretty big affront to the yankees and baseball in general. boras then came to the stark realization that he couldn’t get alex that much money elsewhere, that he had overestimated the market and the best financial situation for alex would have been to just re-up with the yankees. so then, suddenly, a-rod developed a conscience and went back to the yankees. if you believe he did so without boras’ blessing and involvement, god bless you for your naivete. the yankees, having publicly declared the end of the a-rod era, realized that they couldn’t actually find a better third baseman, so they took him back because all of the PR stunts made it look like a-rod came crawling back. the yankees saved some face, a-rod saved some face and, in the end, they ended up doling out 300 million dollars. now, you tell me how they “saved” money.

    2. just because arte moreno does it, doesn’t mean it’s smart or right. when done privately, these deadlines are probably very effective in negotiations. when done publicly, they’re little more than a spitting contest between grown men. it adds nothing to the negotiation. if anything, it irks the twins management.

    however you have to sell the a-rod contract saga to yourself to rationalize what happened, do it. here are the facts: the yankees said they wouldn’t deal with him if he opted out, alex opted out, the yankees ended up forking over 300 million.

    1) First of all, the TOTAL value of the contract MIGHT come to $305mm. The actual guaranteed salary he would be making is closer to $275mm, or 27.5mm/year. He receives the rest of the $305mm IF he breaks all of the other records, which is not a guarantee by any means.

    2) Say Alex hadn’t opted out. How much do you think we would have signed him for, exactly? Hank has said publicly that that Alex was willing to concede the 21 million that the organization lost from Texas, so tell me: what exactly did the Yankees lose?

    3) As far as thinking that Boras and Alex “fleeced” the Yankees, let’s go over the relevant points:

    a) The deal they made was probably pretty much what the Yankees would have offered if Alex hadn’t opted out. The Yankees were able to get back the $21 million that they lost from Alex opting out.

    b) If you think that the Yankees got screwed by Boras and Alex, you are most definitely in the minority. Read the news articles and media reports following the announcement that Alex was coming out, and tell me what the sentiment was. The popular opinion is that Hank was able to stare down Boras, the most powerful agent in the business, and A-Rod came back to us.

    So Kasey, I ask you.. why are you trying to convince yourself that the Yankees lost out in this deal? Yes, A-Rod got a big deal. But he would have gotten a huge deal anyway. Do you think if he hadn’t opted out that we would have been able to get him for $25mm/year?

    Take off the doom glasses. The view is pretty good without them.

  7. Brian December 3rd, 2007 at 3:17 am

    I say take Hughes back off the table. The final offer should be Kennedy, Melky and Tabata, take it or leave it. If they say no, turn your attention to Bedard and Haren.

  8. Majambo December 3rd, 2007 at 3:35 am

    I totally agree with Pete. I actually don’t want to do the trade at all with Hughes because I have said for a while now that I’m willing to to contend but not trade away the future. There is a perverse pleasure I feel in possibly seeing the Red Sox turn into what we did post 2001 starting with Giambi. Spending the cash! I’m worried about too many years and so much money.

  9. Yankee Fan in Boston December 3rd, 2007 at 3:57 am

    Problem is, I don’t think Bedard or Haren are going to come cheaply….

  10. Chad December 3rd, 2007 at 4:10 am

    Hankenstein’s word means absolutely nothing. He’d be better off keeping his mouth shut. I guess he wants to make a “splash” and prove he’s running the show, but I have a bad feeling his fat mouth is going to hinder the Yankees more than help in the future.

  11. .....YO..... December 3rd, 2007 at 4:10 am

    Trust me.
    Haren won’t be cheaper.

    Bedard??
    O’s and we are both in a division.
    O’s will not trade him to Yanks.

  12. .....YO..... December 3rd, 2007 at 4:16 am

    Jake peavy will re-sign.

    Who may we get????????????
    LOL

  13. blunkness December 3rd, 2007 at 4:19 am

    Am i a total homer in thinking that as a package, Phil and Melky are better than Jon Lester and Jacoby Ellsbury?

  14. Roger December 3rd, 2007 at 4:43 am

    I hate this trade. I’d rather have the big 3 pitching for the next season than Santana. SIGN HIM AFTER THE END OF NEXT SEASON! Being a long time yankees fan, to watch a homegrown player and a non-homegrown player playing for the yankees is a differnt feeling, that’s why we love Jeter, Mo ,Posada and Pettitte. Hughes can be a star as a yankees. It’s been a long time I never image that the yankees can have so many homegrown young pitchers on the roster and they are really damn good. I don’t want to see three of them as a trade bait. I really hate this situation. If the yankees do give up Hughes for Santana, I really consider not to be a whole life yankees fan. I’m serious.

  15. Parrot Guy December 3rd, 2007 at 4:55 am

    “We’ll see how it goes, but this is not an act. It’s not a bluff. It’s just reality,” he said. “Because as much as I want Santana, and you can make that clear – for his sake, to know that I do want him – but the fact is that I’m not going to play the game. We’ve made them the best offer. And at this point, it’s not going to get any better. So they can decide. At this point, it’s up to them. I don’t think they want to lose us in this thing, obviously. Nobody wants to lose the Yankees in a negotiation.”

    This is what the AP reported that Hank said.

  16. kasey December 3rd, 2007 at 5:08 am

    i’d take lester and ellsbury at this point if only because lester’s a lefty and ellsbury’s ceiling is higher than melky’s. but you’re not a homer for thinking the hughes/cabrera package is better. it’s certainly debatable.

  17. BWH December 3rd, 2007 at 6:36 am

    I agree, Peter. Please Cashman: WALK AWAY and keep the young talent!!! There is no guarantee on any of them actually meeting the expectations – we NEED to keep a few of them to hedge our bets.

    Next year is NOT the impact year for the Yankees, anyway. It is 2009 when they open the new stadium. Let the rookies develop next year, pick up Santana in free agency, and 2009 the Yankees will be a pitching powerhouse.

    Plus, it is a hell of a lot of fun to watch the rookies pitch. I do enjoy watching Santana pitch, but if I had a choice of Santana once a week versus Hughes, Kennedy, Chamberlain three times a week, I’ll take three nights of the week over one.

  18. BWH December 3rd, 2007 at 6:39 am

    One other consideration – if the Yankees keep their payroll under check for the next couple of years, then I’m guessing that ticket prices won”t rise as rapidly as they may by dramatically increasing the payroll…

    Yeah, maybe this is a pipe dream, but it’s nice to think that good seats will be affordable in the next few years.

  19. Doreen December 3rd, 2007 at 6:41 am

    I think especially when you’re talking about prospects, every fan thinks their team’s guys are the better ones. I think it’s because it’s relatively rare that fans delve into the minor league systems of their own team, much less some other team’s.

    I’m glad Hank was vocal. Now we’ll just wait and see. I think it’s good if a team lets the other one know it is perfectly capable of walking away from a deal.

    Pete, regarding the outlay of the hotel, I hope the various parties in the various deals are good with maps and directions! Who knows how many deals will be dead because the participants got lost??? :)

  20. E-ROC December 3rd, 2007 at 6:56 am

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....cy-is-key/

    cool article, I guess….

  21. Vader December 3rd, 2007 at 7:04 am

    I agree 100 percent that the Sawx will walk away if the Yankees walk away. And anyone that thinks the Yankees word means nothing, show to me where that comment holds water.

    Alex came back to them, they were fully willing to go into 2008 without him and if there is any other proof out there that disproves that, I havn’t read it. Also, the Posada and Mo deals had nothing to do with Hank, it was an orginizational belief to not sign them last year.

    I think the Yankees are right to let the Twins know, pick a package and move on, there is other business to move on to and for us fans, other stories to read.

  22. Doreen December 3rd, 2007 at 7:04 am

    E-ROC -

    Cool article, I guess…

    Perfect summation.

  23. gargoyle December 3rd, 2007 at 7:05 am

    I’d love it if Boston “won” this face off and then could not reach terms with Santana.

  24. Vader December 3rd, 2007 at 7:15 am

    Regarding may last post, Yes the Yankees said they would not negotiate with Alex if he opted out, so yes they went back on thier word.

    IMO it was the fact that Alex cameback them is what opened the door and the fact that he is one of the best players in the league and the Yankees only right-handed bat with power. They may have very well never negotiated with Alex if he didn’t come back to them.

    This statement by Hank really puts his word on the line.

    Pete is right, what has happened to Cash?

  25. Vader December 3rd, 2007 at 7:27 am

    I just read Joel Shermans’ article and it sounds to me that he wants to right about a team like the Pirates.

    I mean does anyone really care what the Yankees spend or would you want them to keep it?

  26. Brian (Red Sox Fan) December 3rd, 2007 at 7:35 am

    Vader ….. Buster Olney was on Mike & Mike this a.m. and says that EVERYONE is posturing, but especially the Red Sox. I’m not sure about that, but there’s no question but that Hank reserves the right to change his mind.

    I also find it interesting that when Hank talks about the Yankees, he speaks in the first person, singular (i.e. “I”).
    That answers your question on “Where is Cash?” Cash is subsumed in the ego of “Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss.”

    P.S. The news media in NE is mixed on whether or not the Sox are just trying to drive up the Yankee price for Santana. I don’t think that they are bluffing. The new ownwers seem to like to make a splash themselves (e.g. the Matsuzaka posting fee), so I think that they are deadly serious.

  27. No. 4 train December 3rd, 2007 at 7:39 am

    Somebody will have to blink no later than Tuesday. Cashman is anxious to move on with bullpen issues.
    The best case scenario sees Pettitte returning, the bullpen fixed and Santana re-visited at the July 31st trading deadline with Minnesota accepting less than offered now with time running out on them to get something other than draft picks.

  28. Vader December 3rd, 2007 at 7:41 am

    One last thing, if the Twins take the Ellsbury deal without Lester or Bucholtz, they are just dumb.

    I mean does anyone think that Arizona is really happy with that Fossam package they got for Schilling?

  29. murphydog December 3rd, 2007 at 7:58 am

    “Am i a total homer in thinking that as a package, Phil and Melky are better than Jon Lester and Jacoby Ellsbury?”

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, er, trade partner. Ellsbury looks like he will very shortly be a much better everyday player than our own Melks, but he can’t pitch. (Although Ellsbury does inspire some wild talk. Comparisons to Willie Mays already?)

    Hughes looks to my untrained eye like he will be a better pitcher than Lester (I didn’t look up MLB periperhals, not that it would matter much when comparing a pitcher returning from cancer to a pitcher who missed a good chunk of the season with leg and ankle injuries). Minny’s GM Smith already made a move on his OF (Delmon Young), but is losing his ace pitcher. So I think Smith has to take the deal with the better pitcher. Ellsbury and Lester is not as good as Buckholz and Ellsbury – - but even Boston ain’t that stupid. I think. So without Buckholz, Minny goes with the Yankees. IMO the deal goes down because under any scenario, a bird in the hand, etc. beats two draft picks next year.

  30. Doreen December 3rd, 2007 at 8:02 am

    Murphydog-

    Especially since the bird in hand can already play on the ML level.

  31. TurnTwo December 3rd, 2007 at 8:11 am

    I’m not sure Lester isnt as good as Hughes. He was as bright as prospect as Hughes is now, and he’s more valuable as a solid, young LHP.

    Lester and Hughes to me are a wash, maybe with Lester getting the nod because he’s LH.

    Ellsbury has a higher ceiling than Melky, so consider giving him the edge.

    Boston has been reluctant to put both in the same offer, but should they offer both Ellsbury and Lester, I think Boston gets the advantage.

    Admittedly, I’m sitting on the fence. I think its because this thing has been so drawn out, and ive read so much on it already that my head is about to explode… as it stands, Hughes/Melky/Prospect is a solid deal, and I’d welcome Johan into the rotation… anything more than that, and I think Id walk, too.

    I’m just hoping today is it…

  32. A-Point December 3rd, 2007 at 8:16 am

    First off, if kasey believes that the RS package is better, then I am very confident that the real powers believe that the Yankees have the better deal out there. Why? Kasey is Mr. Doom and Gloom Yankee. Last season he knew they were not even going to be in the playoffs back in May. Every single one of his posts he has the Yankees as the underdogs. So, all I need do is take the opposite approach with his and I am golden.

    Amazing how selective memories are when it comes to what Hank has and has not said.

    I hope the Yankees walk away from the talks with the Twins. At this point, regardless of the upside of Santana, I would rather keep Hughes and see if Santana goes to FA. Even better would be if the RS blow the negotiations with Santana and the Twins are left with going back to the Yankees and having to accept Kennedy and Melky instead.

    That would not be the Yankees going back on their word. But I guarantee you, regardless of what is actually said, there will be “fans” and RS posters who will say that he did.

  33. kevin December 3rd, 2007 at 8:19 am

    http://www.chron.com/disp/stor.....47088.html

    off the topic but somewhat important..seems that Andy will resign

  34. Doreen December 3rd, 2007 at 8:20 am

    Admittedly, I’m sitting on the fence. I think its because this thing has been so drawn out, and ive read so much on it already that my head is about to explode… as it stands, Hughes/Melky/Prospect is a solid deal, and I’d welcome Johan into the rotation… anything more than that, and I think Id walk, too.
    I’m just hoping today is it…

    Turn Two –

    I feel the same way!

  35. A-Point December 3rd, 2007 at 8:22 am

    Not for anything, but a good RHP is just as good as a good LHP. Both will get batters out.

    Lester is a much bigger risk. His pitching isn’t as good as Hughes. Ellsbury might be a decent player, but he is said to be about as bright as a pile of rocks. That means that he will be slower to adjust once the league get his measure.

    Honestly, I don’t care if Santana goes to the RS. If he does, he does.

  36. Frosty Da Snow Man December 3rd, 2007 at 8:23 am

    Walk away!

    Let Boston mortgage their future.

  37. Doreen December 3rd, 2007 at 8:23 am

    Kevin -

    Thanks for the link to that story. I sure hope it’s accurate. I have to say, though, when I first read your post, I read “resign” as meaning “retire.”

  38. BWH December 3rd, 2007 at 8:25 am

    WHOA. That article about Pettitte returning – that’s huge! This may even change the Yanks’ negotiating strategy…

    Or IS this “leak” part of the Yanks’ negotiating strategy? (In other words, I don’t think that’s off-topic at all!)

  39. sunny615 December 3rd, 2007 at 8:26 am

    From what I’ve been reading Lester is not being packaged with Lester – it’s either Ellsbury or Lester and Crisp. So the Twins won’t be comparing Hughes/melky to Lester/Ellsbury. It’s Hughes/Melky to Ellsbury or Hughes/Melky to Lester/Crisp.

  40. sunny615 December 3rd, 2007 at 8:27 am

    I meant – From what I’ve been reading Ellsbury is not being packaged with Lester

  41. TheGhostOfAlvaroEspinoza December 3rd, 2007 at 8:28 am

    No. 4, only trouble with that is that Santana said he would use his NTC to prohibit an in-season trade. Don’t have a link for this one, but I’m pretty sure it came out within the last day or so…

  42. Phil December 3rd, 2007 at 8:30 am

    With Pettite back near the top of the rotation (as reported by the Houston Chronicle and his agents), and the trade potentially happening, this is shaping up to be a strong rotation.

  43. Mitchell's Eleven December 3rd, 2007 at 8:30 am

    I’m reading this Pettite report – can we please pull Hughes off the table now? what are we waiting for?

  44. BWH December 3rd, 2007 at 8:30 am

    GhostOfAlvaroEspinoza –

    You’re right, at least by way of this article:

    http://www.projo.com/redsox/co.....e46cb.html

  45. Vince December 3rd, 2007 at 8:30 am

    Bill Smith is making a name of himself among his peers by dangling an apple for an orchard and it’s only a matter of time when it comes back to bite him.
    By constantly changing his mind and pitting teams against one another he’s outposturing himself in future deals and having a frugal owner dictates that he [will] have future deals.

  46. SJ44 December 3rd, 2007 at 8:30 am

    Can’t stay long, still on the road.

    My thoughts….

    I long for the days there wasn’t a 24 hour news cycle. Then, folks wouldn’t be so chicken little reading about this stuff and we wouldn’t have such gems as:

    “The Yankees don’t know what they are doing”.

    “Phil Hughes is better than Johan Santana”.

    “The Yankees are getting played”. My personal favorite since NOTHING has happened.

    “Our (Yankees) prospects are better than their (Red Sox) prospects”.

    The ONLY relevent news the last 3 days has been the apparent move by Santana to force the Twins hand and tell them that he won’t approve a trade during the season. That may move things today.

    If they don’t trade him, getting draft picks is not enough for Johan Santana.

    Hughes in the deal? I hate to tell ya but, the Yankees were NEVER going to make the deal without Hughes being in it. That’s how good Santana is. He’s not some guy on the downside of his career. He is universally considered by baseball people as the best pitcher in the game.

    Just relax and let it play out before going crazy over it.

    The second piece of relevent news….looks like Andy is back. That’s very, very good news.

  47. sunny615 December 3rd, 2007 at 8:32 am

    Has Pettitte’s return been posted anywhere else?

  48. BWH December 3rd, 2007 at 8:33 am

    SJ44 – I disagree. The Yanks WILL make a deal with Santana without Hughes – in free agency after the 2008 season… :)

    (at least, I hope this is the case)

  49. jay destro December 3rd, 2007 at 8:34 am

    GET SANTANA

  50. Brian December 3rd, 2007 at 8:37 am

    BREAKING NEWS: Petitte to return to Yankees in 08

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

  51. DMan77 December 3rd, 2007 at 8:38 am

    The song doesn’t lie. The waiting really is the hardest part..

    If this doesn;t go through, then I guess it’s time to start talking about Haren..

  52. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 3rd, 2007 at 8:39 am

    I just emailed Pete, asking him to confirm the report! This is great news because it gives the Yankees some leverage. It isn’t a situation where we need Santana despirately!!

  53. DMan77 December 3rd, 2007 at 8:40 am

    Brian
    December 3rd, 2007 at 8:37 am
    BREAKING NEWS: Petitte to return to Yankees in 08

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

    I can second this.. Heres an article in this mornings Houston Chronicle…

    http://www.chron.com/disp/stor.....47088.html

  54. Brian December 3rd, 2007 at 8:40 am

    The report was already confirmed by Andy’s agent. Go to mlbtradrumors.com and you will see the Houston Chronicles link.

  55. erikp December 3rd, 2007 at 8:45 am

    I think the Pettitte news does increase our leverage in the Santana negotiations, but not enough to be able to get the deal done without Hughes. Us re-signing Pettitte does nothing to Santana’s intrinsic value and I still think the Twins don’t trade with us if our bid is Kennedy/Melky/prospect for Santana. What I do think this does (assuming we stay at Hughes/Melky/prospect) is make it more likely that the Twins make that trade, given the increased chance that this truly is our best offer.

  56. ItalianGreco December 3rd, 2007 at 8:49 am

    Nice, having Andy back is HUGE.

  57. El Comaduce December 3rd, 2007 at 8:50 am

    Not for anything, but a good RHP is just as good as a good LHP. Both will get batters out.

    Leftys do better at the stadium because of the dimensions… Especially a “good lefty”

    There are so many horrible lefty’s out there…

  58. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 3rd, 2007 at 8:52 am

    Okay so currently we have a rotation of

    Andy (pending Yankees confirmation)
    Wang
    Hughes (if he isn’t traded)
    Joba (we can move him to the pen)
    Kennedy
    Moose

    or

    Andy
    Santana
    Joba
    Kennedy
    Moose

  59. Phil December 3rd, 2007 at 8:53 am

    Andy doesn’t lessen the need for Santana. The true ace is still needed and also allows the two kids we don’t trade (plus the ones down in the farm system) more of an opportunity to develop.

    Santana
    Wang (to break up the lefties)
    Pettite
    Chamberlain
    Kennedy/Mussina

    And gives the Yankees six pitchers (two with potential innings caps) that can start in case of injury.

  60. Catherine December 3rd, 2007 at 8:54 am

    Why isnt Wang in your second rotation?

  61. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 3rd, 2007 at 8:55 am

    Cause I forgot to put him. Damn lack of edit button!!!! Let me try again!

    Okay so currently we have a rotation of

    Andy (pending Yankees confirmation)
    Wang
    Hughes (if he isn’t traded)
    Joba (we can move him to the pen)
    Kennedy
    Moose

    or

    Andy
    Santana
    Wang
    Joba (can put in pen)
    Kennedy
    Moose

    With or without Santana we can move Joba to the pen.

  62. Tommy December 3rd, 2007 at 8:57 am

    Man, I hope that Pettitte story is true!
    Wonderful news amidst the excruciating trade talk.

  63. Catherine December 3rd, 2007 at 8:57 am

    Sigh, can we just fantasize for a second that our first deal stuck…

    Santana
    Hughes
    Wang
    Pettitte
    Joba
    Moose

    but alas, no

  64. What about Bob? December 3rd, 2007 at 8:58 am

    No way on earth Hughes would get slotted into the #2 spot in the rotation

  65. Giuseppe Franco December 3rd, 2007 at 8:59 am

    Don’t put Joba the pen!

    Why do people want to put someone with his immense ceiling in the pen?

    I don’t think SEA or DET had any desire to put King Felix or Verlander in the bullpen.

    Last season with Joba was just an experiment that worked out better than anyone could have hoped.

    You don’t put that kind of talent in the pen. That would be such a waste.

  66. David December 3rd, 2007 at 8:59 am

    Just on ESPN!!

    Andy Pettitte is coming back!!

  67. ~Adam. December 3rd, 2007 at 9:00 am

    YEEEEEEES Pettite!!!!!

    What a great wway to start the week.

    Let’s hope Pete can confirm that story!

  68. Catherine December 3rd, 2007 at 9:00 am

    What about Bob?-
    I wasn’t putting them in any order, just putting Santana and Hughes next to each other so people could see how nice that wouldve been. Sorry for the confusion ;)

  69. sunny615 December 3rd, 2007 at 9:00 am

    Joba has way too many plus pitches to be a bullpen arm. Depending on who you ask, he has definitely 3 plus pitches and possibly a fourth (that he literally learned last year). He can throw into the 100′s well into the 6th. That’s not what you put into the bullpen. That’s what you throw out to start a game and kick some arse.

  70. 2Yankee42 December 3rd, 2007 at 9:00 am

    I love you Andy!

  71. A-Point December 3rd, 2007 at 9:02 am

    El Comaduce
    December 3rd, 2007 at 8:50 am
    Not for anything, but a good RHP is just as good as a good LHP. Both will get batters out.

    Leftys do better at the stadium because of the dimensions… Especially a “good lefty”

    There are so many horrible lefty’s out there…

    It really doesn’t matter what the dimensions of the stadium are if the pitcher isn’t giving the batters much to hit.

    I am saying a good pitcher is a good pitcher, regardless of which hand they are using. Having a mix of left and right handed pitchers is good because of lineups that are faced, some lineups hit better against right handed pitchers.

    Anyway, my point is that if the pitcher is good enough then it doesn’t matter if they are a RH or LH pitcher to score outs.

  72. DMan77 December 3rd, 2007 at 9:02 am

    Well, I think we’re overlooking the innings count that Joba, Hughes and Ian would be on this season.

    Moose, Igawa, etc will be getting spot starts this year if all 3 of them end up in the Yankees rotation.

    So we can set up any kind of 5 man rotation we want, but its not realistic to think that our rookies can pitch the entire season.. They’ll be on some kind of pitch-count/innings limit..

  73. PK December 3rd, 2007 at 9:02 am

    Seriously people, no more Joba to the pen ideas. Kick Moose out of the rotation if you have to.

    If you move Verlander or Liriano to the pen, they would probably be pretty dominant as well, but you don’t see those teams doing it. Joba is a starter until he proves he’s unable to handle it.

    People are too drawn to the idea of a dominant closer, when in reality a closer’s value is dwarfed by that of a good starter.

  74. ~Adam. December 3rd, 2007 at 9:02 am

    Seems like something big is going to happen today.

    A rotation of

    Santana
    Wang
    Pettite
    Joba
    Moose/Kennedy

    Phil who?

  75. sunny615 December 3rd, 2007 at 9:03 am

    So since Pettitte declined his option I would assume they would have to negotiate a new contract… I would think it would be the same as he got last year – a one year contract with a player option for a second.

  76. mel December 3rd, 2007 at 9:04 am

    Well, Jesus F. Christ, Andy. Couldn’t you have said this a week ago? I’m glad to have Andy back, but it’ll only make me feel the very slightest bit better if we lose Hughes.

    Way to go, Joe G.

  77. whozat December 3rd, 2007 at 9:04 am

    “I’m not sure Lester isnt as good as Hughes. He was as bright as prospect as Hughes is now,”

    TurnTwo

    I’m sure he’s not. Hughes was rated the best pitching prospect in baseball last season. Lester never was. If you look at their minor league numbers, including their peripherals, Hughes was better – at a younger age – than Lester. The biggest difference is control. Lester takes 100 pitches to get through five innings.

    It’s not homerism to think Hughes > Lester, by a fair amount. Melky > Ellsbury…that’s homerism. Hughes > Ellsbury…that’s debatable, depending on how you feel about the roles they play.

    Hughes + Melky > Ellsbury + Lowrie…I think that’s pretty clear, especially when the trade is for a pitcher. The pitching prospects being discussed outside of that, on both sides, are neither MLB ready nor particularly impressive.

  78. El Comaduce December 3rd, 2007 at 9:04 am

    Barring injury, the inning cap problem has just been lessened because you can use kids in the 4 + 5 slots….

    Kennedy can handle 4, joba 5…

    plus you can probably give joba some extended spring training, we usually don’t need a 5 the first month anyway

  79. whozat December 3rd, 2007 at 9:05 am

    “King Felix”

    I love that nickname. Lucky bastard.

  80. ~Adam. December 3rd, 2007 at 9:06 am

    I think we’ll need Moose in the rotation. Kennedy and Joba will likely need time off at some point. I’d hate to hurt their arms.

  81. DMan77 December 3rd, 2007 at 9:07 am

    El Comaduce-

    Right.. I think thats what they’ll do with Joba rather than toos him in the BP. Let him stick in spring training so he can stay on a normal schedule, then bring him up when hes ready/needed..

    I mean if it turns out they’ll only need a 5th starter once for a couple of weeks, use Moose or somebody else to spot-start.

  82. Motown Yankees Fan December 3rd, 2007 at 9:07 am

    So happy that Andy is coming back. Wow. Ok, though, this is the conspiracy theorist in me. Is the timing suspect? Just to put more pressure on the Twins with the deadline and to make the we’ll walk away from the table statement more realistic? If so, awesome. We walk away, Sox lower their bid, Santana plays for the Twins this year and comes to the Yankees after free agency.

  83. Nick December 3rd, 2007 at 9:07 am

    Andy can eat innings and the young starters regardless of who they may comprise of, are slotted to throw no more than 160-175 innings.

    WELCOME NEWS …

  84. mel December 3rd, 2007 at 9:08 am

    Hughes is better than Lester. Yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

    Melky’s better right now because he’s proven he can play at the major league level for 2 years now. Ellsbury the better prospect.

    Any Yankee offer would be better because the talent pool to choose the throw-in players.

    Part of me hopes that they don’t bite, anyway.

  85. Catherine December 3rd, 2007 at 9:08 am

    Also, let’s not underestimate the affect Joe Girardi will have on all the young pitchers. He worked wonders in Florida with the young staff there. Torre, with all his pitching faults, got some of the young pitchers to perform. I can only IMAGINE what Joe Girardi will be able to do.

  86. Doreen December 3rd, 2007 at 9:09 am

    mel,

    I’m pretty sure I remember reading a while ago (quite a while ago) that Pettitte felt he needed to make a decision by early December in order to get himself ready physically to pitch in 2008. So, actually, he did stick to his own timetable. I was very surprised to read last week that he would make a decision in January, because that seemed a little late.

  87. whozat December 3rd, 2007 at 9:09 am

    “plus you can probably give joba some extended spring training, we usually don’t need a 5 the first month anyway”

    Wouldn’t hurt if it gives him more time to work on the change.

  88. ~Adam. December 3rd, 2007 at 9:10 am

    Anybody watch the “Baseball’s Best Moments” on yankees.com. A 3 minute montage of Aaron Boone in ’03. Ahhh good times.

  89. Catherine December 3rd, 2007 at 9:11 am

    ~Adam-
    Watch Gibson’s homerun for the Dodgers. The montage is really interesting.

  90. pat December 3rd, 2007 at 9:12 am

    Cashman only became the voice and face for the Yankee ownership when George started to take more of a back seat in recent years. Now that Hank has taken on George’s role, it’s only logical that Cashman would be seen and heard from less and just allowed to do his job.

  91. Moose KnuckleHead December 3rd, 2007 at 9:12 am

    AP is reporting that Pettitte is back!

  92. Doreen December 3rd, 2007 at 9:13 am

    Since Cashman never really says anything substantive anyway, why does anyone miss hearing from him? :)

  93. What about Bob? December 3rd, 2007 at 9:13 am

    Andy coming back only makes getting Santana more likely. Do you honestly think Andy came back to “teach”? Hell no, he wants 1 for the thumb.

  94. mel December 3rd, 2007 at 9:13 am

    Doreen,

    Yes, I remember that. Still there was either a lot of misleading information or Andy doesn’t talk to his pops. Either way, I don’t care. Andy’s back. Any word on terms? I’m sure it’ll be for slightly more than what he got in ’07. He is the best FA pitcher on the market after all.

  95. rodg12 December 3rd, 2007 at 9:14 am

    Great, great news that Andy is coming back!!! I’m so pumped.

  96. Uncle Vito December 3rd, 2007 at 9:14 am

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  97. Uncle Vito December 3rd, 2007 at 9:15 am

    totally messed up my last post…..sorry….

  98. Doreen December 3rd, 2007 at 9:15 am

    mel -

    I’m glad you remember it, too, because there’s always so much info flying around, sometimes you begin to doubt yourself. And, I agree, basically, who cares, as long as he’s back!

  99. rodg12 December 3rd, 2007 at 9:16 am

    I’m thinking this probably makes the Santana move more likely. One more guy (Pettitte) who extends the ‘win now’ attitude. A top-3 of Santana, Pettitte, Wang would be as good as any in baseball. Put that with our offense and you’ve got a team that will be favored to win the big one!

  100. J-Dawg December 3rd, 2007 at 9:16 am

    So the reports are saying that Andy is back. That is some great news. It’s clear that Andy loves being in Houston with his family, but he has so much left to give. It was clear watching him pitch this year, that he has plenty left in the tank. If the reports turn out to be true, welcome back Andy!!

  101. sunny615 December 3rd, 2007 at 9:18 am

    Wonder what everyone said to Pettitte to entice him to return… I hope he makes a press release to let us know what helped him decide to return… I’m oddly curious.

  102. Maquillaje December 3rd, 2007 at 9:19 am

    Personally, I would never give up Hughes. We never know what Santana can do here. I know he’s amazing, but the likes of Pavano, Contreras, Randy Johnson, Weaver, and Wright were good elsewhere and just couldn’t do it in New York. I feel like we’re making a mistake by giving up Hughes, he has proven he can do it here, and we never know how good he can be. (Santana WILL be traded. He won’t make it to FA.)

  103. A-Point December 3rd, 2007 at 9:19 am

    Think of the timing of all these things going on. I honestly doubt that Andy “just decided” when he woke up yesterday. Santana sending out the statement from his people that its now or you get draft picks – and BTW only to the RS and Yankees. Hank with his deadline.

    I will be sad at the end of today, because it will probably mean Hughes will be a Twinkie, but then Santana will be a Yankee, so the hurt will be a little less.

  104. The Bronx Stop December 3rd, 2007 at 9:19 am

    I Heart Andy Pettite!!!

  105. Mike R. December 3rd, 2007 at 9:20 am

    Thank you Mrs. Pettite. I heard a report state that she was the one that told him to go play. Woo hoo!!!!!

  106. Theo December 3rd, 2007 at 9:20 am

    NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

  107. gayle December 3rd, 2007 at 9:22 am

    Im little late but

    Pettitte to play for Yankees in ’08
    Agent confirms veteran’s decision to choose Bronx over retirement

    whoo hoooo

  108. mel December 3rd, 2007 at 9:23 am

    Too bad that Andy’s a righty. We could really’ve really tightened the screws on the Twins if Andy was a lefty. LOL.

  109. sunny615 December 3rd, 2007 at 9:23 am

    I guess Pete was too busy trying to find his room to report on this… ;-) just kidding Pete!

  110. A-Point December 3rd, 2007 at 9:24 am

    One thing about Santana, he has shown already that he can pitch in NY. Granted it was while he was visiting, but he likes the big stage.

    Did you just hear that big splashing sound? It was all the RS fans jumping from the bridges in Boston.

    One more thought, even though its reported that Santana is said to have given the go ahead for either the RS or Yankees, who is to say that privately between him and the Twins that he didn’t say he will really only go to the Yankees? It could happen.

  111. Nud December 3rd, 2007 at 9:24 am

    Please don’t put a washed up Unit, Pavano, Wright, a washed up K Brown and Jeff Weaver in the same sentance as Johan. Johan is in his prime. For people to whine over giving up Hughes to get Santana then you are basically clueless when it comes to making a trade

  112. Alex December 3rd, 2007 at 9:24 am

    Andy is a lefty. Clown.

  113. sunny615 December 3rd, 2007 at 9:25 am

    Chill out Alex, Mel was joking.

  114. rb15 December 3rd, 2007 at 9:25 am

    me, I thought Andy was a lefty? :) The Twins FO is probably not having a great morning overall.

    Do you guys remember that play (I dont remember which year – 2001 ALDS vs. Oakland?) when Andy picked up the dribbler back to the mound and threw the runner out at third? They said he could only do that because he was a lefty. I think that was the same series as Jeter’s flip to the plate – one of the most amazing series I’ve ever seen.

    I pretty much love Andy. Now and forever.

  115. BBB December 3rd, 2007 at 9:26 am

    WOOOOOOHOOOO @ ANDY COMING BACK!!!!! Yaaaay I knew he wouldn’t call it quits just yet, there is SO MUCH great baseball left in the tank! YAY!!!!! :)

    And I love how he announces it today so as to give us leverage in the Santana deal. It is becoming obvious that both the Yanks and Johan himself want this deal to get done quickly so all thats left is for the Twins to jump on board, hopefully that happens today. A rotation with both Pettitte and Santana, as well as Wang and Joba, will be SICK!!!

    Welcome (back) home #46, you were sorely missed even when there was no baseball being played!!

  116. Alex December 3rd, 2007 at 9:26 am

    Don’t tell me to chill out, Herb

  117. Phil December 3rd, 2007 at 9:26 am

    Pete is not joking about the hotel. It is crazy. It took us 10 minutes to get to our room when we were there last year. The multiple stairs and elevators that don’t run all the way to the top and the multiple “lobbies” are crazy. And don’t dare order room service…

  118. mel December 3rd, 2007 at 9:26 am

    I may be a clown, but I don’t have clown hair. And yes, I know that Andy’s a lefty.

  119. sunny615 December 3rd, 2007 at 9:27 am

    why not, loser? You obviously have some issues. Someone forgot to take their medication this morning?

  120. Phil December 3rd, 2007 at 9:28 am

    Everyone calm down. Too early to start the name calling BS. Enjoy the imminent return of Pettite and potential coming of Santana.

  121. Big Joe December 3rd, 2007 at 9:29 am

    OK…forget the santana deal now. Or at least pull back Hughes. We have a lefty now and I just don’t see the need for desperation at this time. Paying 150 mill plus giving up these prospects officially makes no sense to me now.

  122. BBB December 3rd, 2007 at 9:29 am

    I have such a ridiculous perma-grin plastered all over my face since hearing this news. Gawd I loooove Andy!!!!!!! w00t!

  123. Big Joe December 3rd, 2007 at 9:30 am

    Yanks have much more leverage with Pettitte in the fold. We need to adjust the offer accordingly.

  124. Paul V December 3rd, 2007 at 9:30 am

    Pettitte!

    Yes! And now I say – take Hughes off the table. Offer them IPK and Melky and, if they say no, let Boston have him. I doubt they will take him.

    And if they do, so what? Are he and Beckett going to pitch one-hitters every game? I think that even the worst case scenario is pretty hard to envision. We would go up against them with Pettitte, Wang, Joba, Hughes, and Mussina or whoever has replace the Moose by that point.

    Use IPK as part of a package to get Nathan or Street. Pettitte’s return changes this whole negotiation. We don’t have to get into this arms race with Boston.

    The big difference would be in a playoff series and a lot can happen between now and October. We could get somebody else in July OR Hughes or Joba will have proven themselves up to the task by that point of starting a playoff game #1.

  125. Sherri December 3rd, 2007 at 9:31 am

    YEAHHHHHH!!!!!!!! ANDY’S COMING BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  126. Phil December 3rd, 2007 at 9:31 am

    You are taking Pete’s report out of context. He said friends of Pettite said he was 90% retired. Pete was just reporting from sources.

  127. sunny615 December 3rd, 2007 at 9:33 am

    I would not remove Hughes from the package. While Pettitte’s return is great, we would still need a #1 and that’s Santana. I agree that it would help our cause somewhat in the Santana negotiations, the fact is, we still need a Santana and Hughes is the only way to get him.

  128. Phil December 3rd, 2007 at 9:33 am

    If Andy’s back, Hughes has to come out of the offer.

  129. gayle December 3rd, 2007 at 9:34 am

    You do not change the offer. Andy is one year we all know that will be it but Santana will be one year plus many more

  130. Phil December 3rd, 2007 at 9:37 am

    The Yankees don’t get Santana without Hughes…trade potential for proven.

  131. Uncle Vito December 3rd, 2007 at 9:38 am

    Hey Alex,

    Lighten up, Francis !

    Sargeant Hulka

  132. Phil December 3rd, 2007 at 9:39 am

    Our big toe!

  133. Greg K. December 3rd, 2007 at 9:40 am

    Yep, the Pettitte rumors are true. What GREAT news! Does this affect the Johan trade talks, you think? Does anyone believe the Yankees Monday evening deadline?

    http://mlbfleecefactor.com/200.....e-yankees/

  134. Uncle Vito December 3rd, 2007 at 9:40 am

    …and I would add that our Mr. Alex resembles another body part…

  135. vrsce December 3rd, 2007 at 9:41 am

    Petite returning cahanges everything.

    Yankees should walk away.

    No deal, then keep Hughes. A very exciting year ahead as the new guys enter the rotation. The nucleus is in place for a repeat of 95 – 2000.

  136. Phil December 3rd, 2007 at 9:41 am

    Why should they walk away from the deal? We still need a true ace. Pettite is solid, but not an elite ace at this point in his career.

  137. El Comaduce December 3rd, 2007 at 9:42 am

    I wish i could see the lists the yankees gave the twins…

  138. Doreen December 3rd, 2007 at 9:42 am

    Gayle -

    I agree. You don’t change the offer. That would be petty, I think.

  139. Jeff NJ December 3rd, 2007 at 9:43 am

    Ok think about this rotation for next year’s playoffs:

    Johan
    Andy
    Wang
    Joba

    or maybe Joba in 3 Wang in 4. Look out American League, I think you are looking at your 2008 champs! Welcome back ANDY!

  140. Doreen December 3rd, 2007 at 9:44 am

    But, if the Twins refuse the offer as is, at least the Yankees are in a much better position with Pettitte than without him. And they won’t have to go after Haren if they don’t want to. And Cashman gets his dream of IPK, Hughes and Joba.

  141. Jax December 3rd, 2007 at 9:44 am

    Although the we need an ace I rather get Santana when he’s a FA next. So be it if we have to wait another year.

  142. Doreen December 3rd, 2007 at 9:45 am

    Jeff NJ –

    No chicken counting!!!!! Wait for the eggs to hatch. :)

  143. mel December 3rd, 2007 at 9:45 am

    No, you don’t change you’re offer. But if it expires today, then a new offer sans Hughes should be offered.

  144. fred December 3rd, 2007 at 9:45 am

    in some respects the deal makes more sense now because you solve two problems instead of one – this allows joba to be the setup guy. worry about in 09 in 09. we know joba can setup world class. as a starter he could be a dazzling five inning guy with a high pitch count. didn’t mariano end up in the bullpen for that same reason??

    hughes hurts, but perhaps it boils down to trading one number one for another, and melky is the risk premium. melky could turn out to become bernie williams, but he could also but the king’s version of ricky ledee.

  145. mel December 3rd, 2007 at 9:47 am

    oops. *your* offer

  146. Mike R. December 3rd, 2007 at 9:48 am

    Alex
    December 3rd, 2007 at 9:26 am
    Don’t tell me to chill out, Herb

    Looks like someone’s got a case of the Mondays. :(

  147. El Comaduce December 3rd, 2007 at 9:49 am

    You don’t walk away… Thats silly… Johan is the best in the business… A dominant lefty ace and he is not even 30 yrs old…

  148. sunny615 December 3rd, 2007 at 9:51 am

    With the Sawx at the table still (posturing or not) you don’t reduce or remove your offer. Hank (wisely or not) included a deadline with this offer and if they have any hope of future negotiations with anyone being legit, they have to follow through here or else no one will take Hank or Cashman seriously again.

  149. DMan77 December 3rd, 2007 at 9:51 am

    Yankees won’t walk away… But if the twins don’t accept this, maybe Hughes gets left out of an offer for Haren over there in Oakland..

  150. erikp December 3rd, 2007 at 9:52 am

    I totally disagree that we pull back from the Santana deal now. First of all, we have Pettitte back for one year, maybe 2, so saying that this reduces the need to get a 29 year old ace makes no sense. Secondly, if Pettitte returning gives us a little more leverage in this, then we need to use that to get Santana without giving up a top prospect behind Hughes and Melky. This creates an opportunity for us… we need to seize it!

  151. rodg12 December 3rd, 2007 at 9:52 am

    New Pete post confirming….

  152. PittsburghYankeeFan December 3rd, 2007 at 9:52 am

    Ummm, Twins….

    With Pettitte coming back,

    OOOPPPPPSSSSS! And that’s not OPS, gentlemen.

    Pull Hughes out of the offer, give them IPK, Melky, and some more volume (Gonzalez +/- Betemit). That’s three ML ready prospects.

    Take it or leave it by 4 PM today.

    Bill Smith, you’re a tool. A 5 tool? I’m not yet sure.

  153. El Comaduce December 3rd, 2007 at 9:53 am

    No, you don’t change you’re offer. But if it expires today, then a new offer sans Hughes should be offered.

    that is an excellent idea… I am assuming that the Hughes package, does not have a lot of other talent. Perhaps if you give the Twins a sniff of Kennedy and Melky and a good second tier guy, they might go for it…

  154. Flam December 3rd, 2007 at 9:57 am

    DMAN77:

    Have you read moneyball? theres no way Hughes wont be in a package for Haren.

  155. Phil December 3rd, 2007 at 10:04 am

    With Andy back, they need to take Hughes out, and offer a 4 for 1 deal around Kennedy and Melky. The Sox offer is crap.

  156. Phil December 3rd, 2007 at 10:05 am

    They wouldn’t go for Haren now if Santana fall through.

  157. Uncle Vito December 3rd, 2007 at 10:09 am

    Mike R.
    December 3rd, 2007 at 9:48 am
    Alex
    December 3rd, 2007 at 9:26 am
    Don’t tell me to chill out, Herb

    Looks like someone’s got a case of the Mondays.
    .

    Maybe Alex needs to update his pieces of FLAIR ?
    .
    LOL :-)

  158. Ogerp Jr December 3rd, 2007 at 10:11 am

    Haven’t seen anything regarding this so I thought I’d post…

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3139152

    looks like Pettitte will be returning!

  159. PB in DC December 3rd, 2007 at 10:12 am

    People in both Boston and NY seem to be forgetting that Santana is the best pitcher in baseball.

    I can understand Yankee fans wanting to not give up 2-3 of the young arms and Melky… and I can understand Red Sux fans wanting to not give up Ellsbury and Lester plus a Masterson-or-equal-prospect, but if the Yanks can get Santana for Hughes and Melky or if the RS can get him for Lester/Crisp/a prospect or Ellsbury/Masterson/a prospect, then YOU DO IT RUNNING AWAY.

    In no way would either of those trades be “mortgaging the future”. Especially in the Yankee’s case… I love Andy Petitte too, but he’s not a No. 1 pitcher… neither is Wang or the 2008 version of Joba.

    This team needs an ace. Period.

  160. Mike R. December 3rd, 2007 at 10:15 am

    Uncle Vito
    December 3rd, 2007 at 10:09 am
    Mike R.
    December 3rd, 2007 at 9:48 am
    Alex
    December 3rd, 2007 at 9:26 am
    Don’t tell me to chill out, Herb

    Looks like someone’s got a case of the Mondays.
    .

    Maybe Alex needs to update his pieces of FLAIR ?
    .
    LOL

    If we keep messing with him he is going to set this blog on fire. LOL :D

  161. sunny615 December 3rd, 2007 at 10:21 am

    If the Yankees rescind their offer because of Pettitte’s return who would want the Sox to get Santana if the Twins take the Sox’s offer on Crisp and Lester and Lowrie? Santana is a need for the Yankees. And only a want for the Sox.

  162. Jason December 3rd, 2007 at 10:39 am

    Am I the only one who thinks Hughes/Melky/lower-level prospect for Johan Santana would be a steal? When Santana was put on the market, I was convinced that two of the three kids would have to go, plus Cano. I guess it’s all about expectations.

    And I’m thinking I might be the only Yankee fan delighted at what Hank is doing, and I don’t think Cashman or the baseball guys are being marginalized at all (if Cashman wasn’t involved, Mattingly would be the Yankee manager right now, not Girardi). I don’t believe that the announcement that Andy’s coming back 12 hours after Hank made his ultimatum is a coincidence.

  163. Luke December 3rd, 2007 at 10:39 am

    PETTITTE’S BACK, and I broke the story! WOOOOOO!

  164. Charlemagne December 3rd, 2007 at 11:10 am

    Twins NEED to trade Santana. They’re not getting him back, and he said he won’t waive during the season. (That’s why this deal isn’t a steal) I think Santana wants to be a Yankee with his declaration of the no waive during the season. I think IPK and Melky +Betimit/Giambi(Giambi’s a reach to be rid of) would be a good trade, but I don’t know if Twins are that desperate yet. Hughes is good, I think we’ll regret letting him go as we do letting go Lowell. I’ll miss Melky, but it also gives Damon a spot to play. Right now I’m more worried about the bullpen to be honest.

  165. zgveritas December 3rd, 2007 at 8:01 pm

    I don’t think the Petitte coming back is necessarily a coincidence but I don’t think it was pre-planned either.

    Petitte was certainly staying up on team news in the off-season. He must have begun to feel that by delaying his decision he was hurting the “team” and the front office’s ability to plan for the upcoming season. He obviously recognized the Yankees’ leverage in doing off-season deals would be better with him committed to another year of play.
    Returning now also works in his favor since he’d prefer to return to a stronger team than one that has traded away talent that could help his quest for another ring.

    The Santana circus may have forced Petitte to act a little sooner. But others noted above that his intention was to announce his decision in December in order to have time to prepare for next season. Like the re-signed FAs, Pettitie wanted to see what the Yankees committment was under new leadership. Particularly with the loss of Torre.

    I am certain he recently heard from Cashman (directly or through his agent) that given the circumstances surrounding the Santana trade a prompt definitive decision would be appreciated.

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