Cashman grants an audience
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- December
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The writers will be getting Brian Cashman in 30 minutes in his suite. I’ll be on deadline afterward but I’ll post at least a brief synopsis here as soon as I can.
No word yet on Johan Santana other than that his agent denied that the lefty told the Twins he would not waive his no-trade clause during the season or wants to pitch on the East Coast.
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So that was all BS regarding what Santana said to the Twins? Figures.
prolly leaks from yanks and sox
an Audience ?…too funny ! LOL
Are we actually sure there is anything at all going on with Santana??????????????????? Man, the rumors are killin’ me!
Cash must have met with Smith. Sounds like nothings getting done tonight?
This is going to go the way of the Clemens and Johnson trades. Acrimony, one side walks away then they get back together later on to see if a deal can be done.
I wish I could get in this along with the audiance. I just hope some light is shed on Johan however I think Cash will stay quiet.
Slap him for dfa’ing Andy Phillips
Yea, this isn’t getting done tonight unless Cashman informs the media in this little session that it has already happened.
Just prayin’ that the PHuture isn’t over.
I would love for Cashman to come out and just flat out say “I think giving up Phil Hughes for a very expensive ace is stupid.”
It won’t happen, but I can dream.
I’ll bet anyone that Cashman says a whole lot of nothing except saying how he is glad Pettitte is coming back. Of course it will take him 40 minutes to say that, probably without taking a breath.
Yea this session is going to tell us nothing. I really thought tonight was gonna be filled with alot of action but I guess I’m going to be disappointed.
Dont Trade PHIL!!!!!!!!!
Andys back!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope his hip hop in the background doesn’t drown out the audio.
Tell Cash to hold onto to Hughes and to pull the trade.
WOW. This is Petes 12th Post Today. TWELVE. By Midnight it might be 17. Keep up the good work Mr. Abraham, we all appreciate it.
I am praying this trade doesn’t happen
I dont care how good Johan is, Phil and Joba have great potential and are homegrown and will cost much less… I like rooting for hometown heroes, not random rentals.
Stay young, Cashman. Nobody will fault you. Nobody will be upset. People are just as fine without Santana, as long as Boston doesn’t get him.
I hate how people keep saying “stay young.” Santana is young. He’ll be 29 next season. It’s not like they’re going out and getting Randy Johnson or Roger Clemens when they’re past their prime. They’re going after Johan Santana - who’s hitting his prime now - and he’s certainly not old.
C’mon on down Johan.
Give up Hughes, Cabrera, and a mid prospect.
If your the Yankees and you can acquire Santana while still having 2 of your top 3 prospects, you do it.
Global Warming is not real.
REDSOX OFFER UP LESTER/ELLSBURY FOR JOHAN
I heard the Yankees are pulling out of the sweepstakes. Out look is good, we save the future and can relax.
Buster Olney-Source.
It’s as real as Hanks wallet. Now his mouth, that would be another story.
While I’d hate to see the Yankees lose Hughes, it would be worse to be dominated by a Boston rotation that had Beckett and Santana in the postseason.
29 is not as young as 22 or 23. Once he gets to be 32 or 33 we’ll see a decrease in performance and scratch our heads.
Pete, your job is way cool. I’d love to be there listening to Cash speak.
you got a link Bill?
How Do , I for One have faith in Cashman he is a home-grown Yankee and will make the right choices — if Little Stein leaves him alone .
VERY NICE !!!
Even in decline, Santana will be pretty damn good.
Dan,
It was on ESPN just a few minutes ago. Olney was reporting from the Meetings.
Global Warming is as real as the Yankees 26 championships Jeff.
32 or 33 isn’t that old.
How much are we paying for Pettitte at his age again?
Less than 5 hours away from the Santana “deadline”, and the Yankees GM has time for an exclusive interview. You have to love this current front office.
Bill - Which ESPN? The 3 I have are showing College BB and Football…
why isent anyone saying that johan is the best pitcher in baseball and is young enough that he will be the best pitcher for a while
When all is quiet and people think nothing is going to happen, Cash does his best work.
Just check a message board. Someone else stated they heard the same thing
http://yesnetwork.prospero.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=yesnetwork&tid=31411
don’t believe the hype….there will be BS abound…without a link OR a confirm from Pete…it is all BS !
There comes a point when it is extremely beneficial to walk away from a project, like this trade, refocus and see if you are still on message. So far, it seems like Minny has lost their cool by getting irritated with Hank and Hank has lost his cool with Minny for treating him like Marcellus Wallace (Pulp Fiction). Boston’s been a little more professional, frankly. But considering the players involved, the teams, the big money and this being the new GM in Minnesota’s first deal as GM and Hank’s first season as new Boss, it’s a high stress situation all around. Both NY and Minny need to take a step back and be less adversarial. It’s just biz.
Rebecca… are you out there? We could use some optimism. Can you lead us in an optimistic song, please? Ahem…
“The Sun’ll come out tomorrow, bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow, there’ll be suuuu-un ….”
pettitte has earned whatever he wants after the service hes done for the yankees
according to Olney on espn, many Yankee officials are wanting to pull the plug on this deal now that pettitte is back.. could be why the deadline for tonight was set, could be more posturing.. Cashman/Smith expected to meet. Red Sox are not going up on their offer and do not look very serious at all.
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Oh Yes…this is totally reliable information….they are WANTING to pull the plug….this could NEVER be posturing….WAKE UP PEOPLE….it is all part of the DANCE !
They don’t need to wait until 12 midnight to pull the plug they can do it now!!
weird
the yanks are going to “pull” their offer..
well i suppose.. they did put a deadline on the deal..
i mean.. they better “Pull back the offer and make our front office look RELEVANT!
what a Joke!
Screw the Yanks.
Go Sox.. Get Johan.
. and watch the yankee fans cry cuz they are stuck with old crappy pitchers
Make no mistake, Hughes WILL be traded for Santana.
“why isent anyone saying that johan is the best pitcher in baseball and is young enough that he will be the best pitcher for a while”
Because people have been saying that ad nauseum for days now. It’s not an interesting comment. Also…will he still be at the end of this extension? When he’s 33, 34, 35? Probably not.
The same people clamoring for this trade now will be complaining about it in four or five years when Hughes is roughly on par with Santana, and is only 26 or 27.
murphydog: HAH!
Actually, my preferred option is that now that we have Santana, I’d like to keep the Trinity. I realize I am greatly in the minority here…but I won’t complain if we do land Santana.
No matter what, I am a happy girl!
And dude, THERE’S SNOW OUTSIDE!
Old pitches? Um I think the soxs pitching staff is older.
The snow is all gone by me!! Now it is just windy as all heck.
Whozat, do you know the odds of Hughes ever being as good as Santana is now? There’s a reason they are called prospects you know.
…I meant Pettitte.
But you knew that.
whozat
yea in 4 or 5 years
after boston has johan and boston has 3 more rings.. and the yanks will then be happy taht they got cute little phil hughes..
good one! you make a fantastic point
More posturing. This is going to take a long time.
Remeber, the yankees “pulled out” of the Clemens and Randy Johnson trades at one point as well.
Though I hope the twins blow this and just keep santana because they’ve boxed themselves into a corner.
And other thing. Let’s say he is as good as Santana in 6 years. So what? By then he will be a free agent and we can sign him.
“Screw the Yanks.
Go Sox.. Get Johan.
. and watch the yankee fans cry cuz they are stuck with old crappy pitchers”
You mean old crappy pitchers like Wang, Hughes, Joba and Kennedy? Those old crappy pitchers? Chowderhead.
other than this website and mlbtraderumors.com, what is everyone’s favorite site for reliable mlb/yankees rumors? i’d prefer non-message boards/comments, unless you can point me to some good bobcat.
“29 is not as young as 22 or 23. Once he gets to be 32 or 33 we’ll see a decrease in performance and scratch our heads.”
If you believe that Santana, as 33, will begin to decline. Think about this:
At Age 29, that’s 4 years of vintage Santana. In 4 years, The Yankees (as currently constructed) will field key members of their roster at the following ages:
Jeter - 37
ARod - 36
Posada - 41
Matsui - 37
In 4 years, Mo Rivera, Pettite, Mussina, Abreu, Damon will likely be gone.
That is why The Steinbrothers are going heavy for the best pitcher in baseball - to win right now while their key players can still perform at peak/near peak levels.
murphydog - he meant crappy old pitchers. schilling and wakefield would be good examples of this. wait…
mlb traderumors is the best/most often updated place i know of
Latham Joe -
But we will not age, right???!!!!!
So argh shows his true colors. Nice.
Even if the Yankees pulled their offer it still wouldn’t be the end of Santana talks.
Does anyone here really believe the Yankees and their “deadline”?
The Twins will come back crawling to the Yankees and they will gladly deal.
frits,
you could try my blog
argh=arse=@$$….next !
I rather have the all home grown rotation.
dontfirecash,
Headed out, but wanted to say hello.
Twins come back crawling during the regular season they’re not getting Phil or Kennedy. They’re both going to be having solid seasons, IMO.
The twins don’t get this done know they’re going to get Horne for a Santana rental.
Rebecca - “its snowing outside” doesnt say it as well as its like an f-ing blizzard! that is over here on south campus anyways lol
dan - thanks! looks good. are you in nashville?
If the Twins come back after this whole thing is done and over with, if I’m the Yankees I say only if Phil stays and it can be completed with Ian. Even that is being generous. Personally i think that will happen, however, I would love to have a free-agent war for Santanna. Yankees just need to save the funds
murphydog December 3rd, 2007 at 7:45 pm
“Screw the Yanks.
Go Sox.. Get Johan.
. and watch the yankee fans cry cuz they are stuck with old crappy pitchers”
You mean old crappy pitchers like Wang, Hughes, Joba and Kennedy? Those old crappy pitchers? Chowderhead.
yeah, cuz hughes, joba, kennedy are going to be lights out this season..
try lester/bucholtz/hanson/delcarmen
your another yankee fan that thinks the yanks farm system is the best in the world.
im a yanks fan too.. remind you..
but i guess it makes sense..
yanks fans think they have the best farm system simply because they are not used to it..
its like a new toy..
your all giddy about it until you realize that its not as good as you think it is..
and you realize your friends have had that toy for a VERY VERY LONG TIME
Gary: You go to Syracuse too?!
Global Warning,
I believe that the deadline was to take Phil off the table. I still say that the Hank underestimated the popularity of Phil amongst the masses.
Of course the Yankees knew of Andy’s return before the ultimatum.
My guess is that Hank looks at the players involved merely as two-legged athletes, compared to the four-legged athletes that he’s experienced with, and, whether it’s Alex Rodriguez, Johan Santana or Stud the Wonder Horse, it’s still just business. You look for the biggest bang for the buck. And, therefore, why pay twice and through the nose for someone who only plays once every 5 days, and is 40-50 times more expensive per year than what you have now and who you’ve been told many times is wonderful and fantastic, a star-to-be?
Plus, Hank probably wants to send a message to the other teams that the days of overpaying are over. He didn’t negotiate with Joe Torre, he didn’t do it with Mariano, and he threw Scott Boras out of the room (supposedly, the other owners are congratulating him on that one). Once he makes his “it’s a strong offer” statement, that’s it.
Whether you agree or disagree with this stance, I think that’s a portion of what’s going on.
johan plz k thx
haha negative, but my girlfriend does and ive been here visiting for the past week and am going to be here till this sunday. did you see the forecast for the next two days? makes me wish i was back in CT
argh: those four yankee pitchers ARE better than the four red sox pitchers you listed
“yankee fan”
argh, honestly, you are not really a Yankee fan.
Calm down, either way this goes will be fine. While Santana will be a great addition, he isn’t critical. And even if Boston gets Santana (which I really don’t think they will) that won’t make them a lock to win a ton of series.
As much as i want Johan, i also dont mind having all the kids and pettite with Mussina…
So much petter position with andy… Plus i forgot about Karstens… We should be able to get our innings…
dear argh, since we’re going with this toy analogy, i just have a small question. if the toy is new, how could my friends have had it for a very long time? i’m confused. like, i’m excited because i got an NES, but they all have had it for 15 years?
Joe from Long Islan,
I completely agree with each of your points.
He brings up horse trading analogies all of the time.
Hank also takes yankee tradition and what the organization means seriously. You can tell he’s very tired of the organization getting asked for so much in every negotiation (like that ridiculous curt shilling trade).
He’s making this a statement - even if its only a show. He’s sending out a message to the rest of baseball.
Well, to be honest, he did overpay for both Arod and Rivera.
Face it, argh is just a RS fan trying to make it seem like he is a Yankee Fan.
Either that or he is kasey posting under a different name.
But he overpaid in money which doesn’t matter all that much.
Well, at least he held firm on the years w/ Mo. lol.
And I sure hope it doesn’t take 10 years for A-rod to break the record.
I think it’s pretty clear that argh is not a Yankee fan.
Gary: I haven’t looked, but I imagine it’s ’snow’, ‘wind’ and ‘cold’!
I’m tempted to ask who your GF is, but it’s not likely I’ll know her.
Nolan,
I don’t think they overpaid for ARod from Hank’s perspective. At all.
I think the yankees had a budget in mind for ARod and they stuck with it.
Now they had a ton of leverage at that point and they could have put the boot to ARod’s throat and really offered him much less than what he got.
But I don’t think they wanted to do that. I don’t think they wanted to create that kind of antagonistic relationship with their centerpiece player.
The yankees don’t mind paying fair market or over market prices if they think value is there.
I think for Hank the “respect” issues with ARod were much more important. Because those were worked out to his satisfaction he was ok with paying ARod what the yankees were originally expecting to shell out for him.
With Mariano it was about career performance.
Joe from Long Island good points. I agree.
I like what I am hearing from Hank. Cashman can get to play the good cop in closed rooms, Hank clears the air with the media.
argh is just here to cause trouble.
“Latham Joe -
But we will not age, right???!!!!!”
Doreen:
Absolutely not!
Well, maybe physically, but not in our enthusiasm as Yankee Fans!
The announcement that Andy is returning has brought much more calm to Yankee ownership, I think. The prospects of going into 2008 Sox with 3/5ths of their starting rotation having a total of 16 MLB starts and the 4th starter (Mussina) not very reliable had to be a major concern (and still is) for Cashman and the Steinbrothers.
A “big game” pitcher like Andy can only ease those concerns and make the acquisition of Santana before the start of 2008
much less critical.
I think it will be a mistake not to land Santana. Theres no chance Chamberlain, Hughes, and Kennedy will carry the rotation, they are still too young plus the fact that they can’t log over 170+ innings.
frits-
no, scranton.
argh:
My point was not that they are going to be lights out. In fact they won’t be. I’m fully aware of what to expect from rookie pitchers, thanks. My point was that they are hardly old crappy pitchers.
And they are at least as good as lester, bucholtz, hanson and delcarmen. In fact, I’m only impressed by lester and buckholz and they will both have their share of rookie moments next season if they are in the rotation for the Sox.
CB; you hit the nail on the head. Another key referencing Mo and A-rod,, these were players that didn’t burn any bridges by their words; unlike Sheff- who clearly compromised any chance ever of coming back to NYY.
Argh,
You are a Yankee fan who has absolutely no knowledge of the Yankee’s farm system… The Yankee’s trio is far better than the pitchers you just listed and at least one of them would be gone in the Santana deal. The big difference is that after the big boys, The Yankees system is far deeper than the Sox especially in the Arms dept. Oh and ah, Hanson is a bust!
frits-
thank you for the kind words too
http://jaydestro.org/yankeecat2.jpg
I have a question for the masses.
If we all woke up tomorrow and found out that Santana was traded to the Red Sox pending an extension, what would be your reaction?
josh: if we dont santana, joba, hughes and kennedy wont lead the rotation. that would be PETTITTE AND WANG like last year
I don’t think Lester is all that. Buchholz is not going to be lights out ace material either, IMO.
Josh:
Agreed. The kids can’t carry the rotation. Moose and Pettitte and Wang are really going to have to step up in ‘08.
Global Warming:
I would sh*t my pants. And Yankee cat would be pissed.
With all of these negetiations - ARod, Mariano, Posada, and now with the Santna trade I do get the sense that the organization sat down and decided in each case what their “budget” maximum was going to be.
They’re ok going to that predetermined maximum. But once they get to it they let everone know that they are there.
The rhetoric with the Mariano contract negotiations about that 4th year sound a lot like all of the talk about the third player in the santana trade and not getting “held up” etc.
Guys,
Joba, Kennedy and Hughes do not need to cary the rotation…They do not need to pitch 200 innings…Andy, Mike, and Chin are there to help out a little bit…
If the Yanks win the World Series in 08 or 09, it will be because they have Johan Santana. Nobody can say what will become of Hughes, but to think he will be a dominant ace in the next two years is asking alot. I realize he has a long career ahead of him, but I’m tired of hearing how Hughes is going to be one of the best pitchers in baseball at age 22. There are other pitching prospects out there that are on par with Hughes (Kershaw, Bailey, etc) and nobody thinks they will light it up in the next few years either.
As of 8 pm, the Yankees have not upgraded their rotation or bullpen one bit. Santana is needed.
Rebecca - her name is Jessalyn Mastrianni and shes in her first yr at the law school. its actually funny ive been reading this blog for a while now and always liked your optimistic views and comments and one time i saw you saying something about the orange bball team so i was intrigued to check out your blogs facebook and see what your deal was and saw that you and her have a common friend in courtney pike, they were roomates abroad in spain this past spring semester(not sure if your good friends or not but i saw her there).
Global,
I cant think of a worse scenario. It would be devastating to me. Words cannot describe how painful….
Weirdly excited. 6 years at $20MM+ per is just too crazy for a starting pitcher. Theo’s a smart GM; this could kill his future flexibility.
bucholz got his name out there because of his no hitter. that was one game (against the orioles). granted its a major accomplishment, but what joba did night in and night out and hughes performance givin his injury was remarkable on both accounts
I hope he goes to the Dodgers.
frits -
i check river ave. blues all the time. it’s sweet and the comment board on there is a little more organized. plus their updates are great, sometimes they find the funniest random crap, i love it.
Oh well. Poor Johan, his numbers will look worse playing half his games in Fenway. The Yankees lineup will beat him.
Global Warming:
I’ll be fine. We’ll see Santana what, 5 or 6 times in the regular season? Kevin Long is just going to have to figure out how to hit this guy. Don’t forget Girardi is going to hit and run, steal, bunt, you name it. They are not going to just stand there and and try to slug it out all the time next year.
Uhhhh…argh…STFU!!!! You ignorant little sh*t!!!
Now that Pettitte has returned, the Yankee hierarchy will be perfectly content with a rotation of Wang, Pettitte, Moose, Chamberlain, Hughes, and Kennedy at some point when they leave Tampa at the end of March.
I still think Santana could very well be a free agent at the end of 2008.
“The Twins will come back crawling to the Yankees and they will gladly deal.”
Do you all read anything?
Bill Smith has said that he’ll keep Santana all the way to free agency if he doesn’t see the right deal.
He won’t come crawling back to anything. And he won’t settle for anything less than what Johan is worth.
Deflate your big heads.
GW: My Reaction: depends on who the sox had to give up to get him .
If it was clearly less than Hughes/Melky/B-guy,, and that deal was still on the table and the twins accepted an inferior deal, then as a Yankees fan I’m pissed.
If however, the Sox had to surrender Buckholz and E-bury, no problem,, fair deal and the /santana perogative.
frits,
i like River Ave. Blues as well, but it’s certainly not this site. they have pretty frequent updates, and are stellar when it comes to covering prospects.
bronx banter’s fantastic, and who doesn’t love them some yankees chick?
Guiseppe: Agreed 110%
why is argh not a yankees fan? b/c he realizes that the farm is developed not only to contribute to the ML team, but to be used a trading chips? stop being so naive everybody…i’m a diehard fan as well, but like latham joe said, we have 4 years with the “old guard”..after that, who knows who we’ll have…yanks arent the pittsburgh pirates where we need to rely on player development to compete…we can use some of our prospects for the ML team, and some to get players like Johan San-freaking-tana
i wanna know the guy(or girl) that complains when news breaks that we got santana…you should be slapped if you do(if the package is hughes, cabrera, midlevel prospect)
we still have a million other “highly touted” prospects!!!
Did this argh fool actually mention Hanson lol.
We have the best offense, bar none. The absolute best offense.
We have three young studs that could turn out to be the next Roger Clemens, RH Randy Johnson, and Mike Mussina.
Oh, AND we have Mike Mussina =P
kidding,
But seriously. If Hughes were to pan out comparable to Clemens, we will have made a big mistake. If Kennedy may have become Mussina, again, we made a big mistake.
It’s entirely possible to have a 6 man rotation next year, sometimes doing 5, sometimes 6, alternating the kids and Moose in and out to balance out the innings. It is absolutely possible and a great problem to have. 6 quality starters? yes please. If we get injured, we’re ok. Horne in the wings.
Johan can wait to come to the Yankees next year.
“Bill Smith has said that he’ll keep Santana all the way to free agency if he doesn’t see the right deal.”
Yup. No way a statement like that could be seen as oh, I don’t know…. POSTURING.
If tomorrow the Red Sox had Santana I wouldn’t be happy about it. But nor would I feel like the Sox have sewn things up by any means.
Would they be the favorites? Sure. But so what. Every year the yankees are the favorites and it hasn’t amounted to much recently.
Jeter’s right when he says the games are decided on the field. Not during the winter meetings.
They’d have their work cut out for them. But that’s ok. The yankees can’t corner the market on talent every year.
You go out and play the games. Anything can happen in the playoffs. The rotation full of kids probably would have number of set backs.
But there is also some small chance that one of them turns into a dominant starter.
Verlander led the tigers to the world series as a rookie. I dont’ expect Joba to do that. I wouldn’t expect the yankees to beat the sox with santana.
But I wouldn’t be shocked if they did.
Tell you what, if Hughes becomes the next Roger Clemens, I’ll buy you a Coke.
kunaldo: how can argh be a yankee fan when he said he said Screw the Yankees GO Sox and hopes they get Johan?
Hank is willing to make a fair offer. When he feels he has reached that fair offer, and thinks people are trying to wrink him out for some more, thats when he gets mad, and makes these great entertaining comments.
And for all its worth, none of his comments have turned around to bite us in the end so far.
“Do you all read anything?
Bill Smith has said that he’ll keep Santana all the way to free agency if he doesn’t see the right deal.”
This is your first time following the MLB offseason I presume?
argh = Troll…..come on, REALLY ?
yankee sean….b/c he’s frustrated…of course, i dont know the guy or anything, i’m just trying to be objective here, and from what i’ve read, i’d say he’s just trying to be rational amongst a sea of irrational fans(or at the least very biased)
again, i love to see our young guys come up and succeed and become great
lets be serious, we need to win now, and history has shown that most prospects dont pan out, soemtimes they’re better used to get proven players
“Yup. No way a statement like that could be seen as oh, I don’t know…. POSTURING.”
Not everything in trade talks is posturing…
You do know that Bill Smith is the successor to Terry Ryan, correct? The man who could’ve gotten something for Torii Hunter, but didn’t…kept him all the way to free agency.
Trust me. It’s not posturing.
Unlike NY, Minny doesn’t f*** around.
Well, time to go watch ‘Bill Belicheat and Shady Brady”!
Whether Johan Santana becomes a Yankee or goes to Boston or signs with the NY Mets while I’m gone….I’ll still wake up a Yankee Fan.
good night …and stay WARM!
No way Smith keeps Santana for draft picks.
Not when he can get established players now.
Not gonna happen.
With Hank Steinbrenner seemingly holding firm to the Yankees’ self-imposed deadline, Johan Santana’s agent, Peter Greenberg, said that as of yesterday afternoon, neither the Yankees nor the Red Sox had approached him for permission to open a 72-hour negotiating window with his client.
That was proof a deal hadn’t been reached between either team and the Twins.
The general feeling throughout the Opryland Hotel here today was that Santana eventually would don pinstripes, with the Yankees sending Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera and a mid-level prospect to the Twins.
“bucholz got his name out there because of his no hitter. that was one game (against the orioles).”
Not true. Buchholz is an absolutely tremendous prospect. You cannot knock him.
On the scouting scale of 20-80 his change up is considered a 75 and his curve ball a 70.
He consistently throws his fastball from 92-94. He doesn’t have the best command of it.
You can count the number of prospects in baseball who have his stuff on one hand. For a 23 year old to have twp plus secondary pitches is remarkable.
If he stays healthy he will be a problem for the yankees for a long time.
I would like to hear some movement on upgrading the bullpen. No matter what happens with Santana, we still need some bullpen help, Waiting to hear an update from Pete on that front.
well it isnt like hughes or cabrera have never played in the majors so thats one thing to consider but i see your point, but argh was not being rational at all i dont care if hes frustrated or not.
Its a rare AL pitcher to lead the league in steals. That’s what we’re up against.
Mix, I am perfectly fine if Smith blows it and keeps Santana till FA. In fact, I think it would work out all that much better. The Twins get whatever draft picks which won’t be ML ready for years, the Twins fans will see he blew it big time, and then which party - the Yankees who most likely would sign Santana in FA or the Twins look better?
kunaldo…
exactly..
bloggers can say im not a yankees fan all they want..
wow, i made a statement that said Screw the Yanks, GO sox , GET JOHAN..
right.. if your a yankee fan and your getting mad at me for writing that.. you should think about why your getting mad…
johan to the sox kills us..
again.. the yanks have prospects.. so do the sox..
did i mention hanson? yea.. i did.. should i mention IGAWA?? alright.. i did that too.. how about FARNSWORTH?
ok.. there is another one for you to chew on..
and to the individual that said STFU
dont read my post if you dont like em
We know Boston won’t sign Santana.
He will wait for free agency.
Let’s not throw away these three young studs for one extra year. Let’s bank on many years of Hughes, Kennedy, Joba, Santana, Wang. Maybe one won’t pan out. Who knows. We can’t know. Let’s go on what we know, and that is that Santana will be around next year. The Red Sox would be INSANE to sign him, especially with how much it ties them up financially. Dice-K was a big enough bust already. Drew? Lugo? They can’t afford to throw money at anyone, nor will their ownership do it for that long. Maybe 22mil a year but it won’t be 6-7 years. More like 4.
Hanson is still a prospect?
“Mix, I am perfectly fine if Smith blows it and keeps Santana till FA. In fact, I think it would work out all that much better. The Twins get whatever draft picks which won’t be ML ready for years, the Twins fans will see he blew it big time, and then which party - the Yankees who most likely would sign Santana in FA or the Twins look better?”
Hey, I’m not saying it’s not stupid to keep him until FA…I’m just saying it’s not posturing.
Make sure you order plenty of expensive booz, Pete & charge it to Cash’s room.
Mix,
So Santana is now worth 2 draft picks? only one of which will come from the Yankees when they sign him after next season? Yeah nice work by your front office if that happens…
Hanson > Hansen ?
Latham Joe, I think you misspelled the name of one of the greatest coaches in the history of the NFL.
Yankee Sean
haha..
all i can here to say was this..
if the yanks offer up hughes/melky/horne..
its a done deal..
yanks still have kennedy, karstens, joba and other prospects..
sure they lose hughes.. but they gain a 2 time CY young winner..
yankee fans do not think about that..
YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP SOMETHING TO GET SOMETHING..
i doubt minny fans were real excited to give up Garza for delmon young.. Garza is touted as a dang good prospect..
so, id much rather see the yanks throw a hughes/melky/kennedy at the twins and get johan.
then see the redsox offer up a lester/ellsbury/prospect
cuz as i stated earlier
beckett johan dice k bucholtz for atleast 3 years is a damn tough rotation for the yanks to deal with..
both teams are getting older..
but the sox have a young solidified pen..
yanks are building there’s up
but prospects are prospects..
and yankee fans are too jacked up about their prospects because they are not used to having so many prospects!
first off i really dont care if your a fan or not i really dont care but if you come out and say screw the yankees go sox get johan, thats u saying…maybe youre frustrated (i dont care) but youre sending the wrong message.
and for the record, igawa and farnsworth have nothing to do with our farm…igawa only went there because he sucks, not because he was a prospect (prospects dont sign huge deals and start in the bigs, but nice attempt tho)
The twins never go over slot in the draft. A late round pick for them has very, very little value.
Will this be Bill Smith’s Jim Bowden moment?
“Mix,
So Santana is now worth 2 draft picks? only one of which will come from the Yankees when they sign him after next season? Yeah nice work by your front office if that happens…”
Read my post.
But I guess I’ll state it again here. I didn’t say it wasn’t stupid. I just said it’s not posturing, and there’s precedent in the form of Torii Hunter.
Couldn’t disagree more.
The Yankee rotation is most definitely upgraded from 2007 without adding another piece because they will be getting significantly more starts from the crown jewels of the farm system - Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy and probably Horne as well at some point.
Here’s why:
Kei Igawa, Tyler Clippard, Matt DeSalvo, Darrell Rasner, Jeff Karstens, Chase Wright, and Sean Henn combined for 36 starts for the Yankees in 2007.
36 starts! That calculates to 22% of the 162 games were started by seven pitchers who are nothing more than marginal major league talents and most have no business on a major league mound at all.
Despite all that, the Yanks still won 92 games and finished just 2 games back in the AL East race.
Conventional wisdom dictates that the aforementioned jewels of the system will perform significantly better than this group of nobodies and the Yankee rotation will be upgraded as a result.
I firmly believe the Yankees are fine going to war with their rotation now that Pettitte has returned. It also means that they probably won’t be pursuing Bedard or Haren aggressively either.
obviously we have to give something to get something, i never said that…what i did say was that i am content with the rotation as is since pettitte has returned.
i wonder when this meeting will get out…?
Gary: I met Courtney my freshman year through a mutual friend, Brian. I haven’t talked to her in a really long time, but it’s amazing how connections work like that!
Yankee Sean
its yankee fans thinking they have the best team in the world.
.
and im tired of signing big name free agents that dont accomplish anything..
tell me the last big name free agent that worked out?
listen.. yanks won with oneill’s, giradi’s hayes, williams
the team now is all big name stiffs..
and johan is a class act..
something the yanks should be desperate for..
Mussina certainly worked out for NY.
So, Mix, if its not posturing, then its just being stupid? I don’t understand what your stance is.
Look, both parties in this deal have some hurting they will have and some up side. That is how a deal like this is supposed to work. Smith is new at the game, and like it or not, he pushed it a little too far.
I believe the Yankees are fine with walking away right now if they don’t have the deal done. If the RS get Santana for their offer, then the Twins are the ones who took a cut in talent for him, all for the sake of what? Unless they really believe that the Sox offer blows the Yankees offer away.
I don’t see where it does. The Twins were the ones who were insisting on Hughes being a part of the deal. The Yankees gave in on that, it should have been the point where the Twins said OK lets do it. They didn’t. They tried going back to the Sox and the Sox really didn’t make any concessions other than swap which wasn’t helping out the Twins.
The Yankees set their limit. If the Twins don’t like it, guess what? They don’t have to. That is fine with the Yankees too.
Mix:
Be reasonable. If Santana stays in Minny for his last year and they don’t re-sign him, they get two draft picks. That’s it. They are willing to take two kids who won’t be MLB ready for a couple of years at least instead of Hughes, Cabrera and whoever, or whatever the Boston package looks like? I’m sorry, but on these facts, I don’t see how you can’t be so sure it’s not posturing on Smith’s part.
I never thought I’d see the day when Yanks fans would be saying
“I dont want the best pitcher in baseball who is in his prime. I’d rather roll the dice with an unproven guy with a ton of potential who might some day be an all star. Who cares if we dont win the World Series? I’d rather root for the homegrown guy even if it means we lose to Boston”
this is sickening.
I pray that the Yankees get Santana because I want the Yankees to win at all costs. Newsflash - Phil Hughes will NEVER be as good as Santana. And yes, I will take bets from ANY and ALL of you on that.
That’s true! The Twins won’t be getting any high picks for him. Plus I don’t think the Yankees mind losing their pick to the Twins when they have a number of FA after next yr who they could get compensation from.
Giuseppe Franco,
You are exactly right. The rotation in 2009 will be much, much better by default because the the 2008 rotation was so bad.
And they still won 93 games and gave the Sox a scare at the end of the season.
No mosquito infestation and you never know…
Will the rotation be “good enough” next year is a separate, more difficult question to answer.
But the rotation in 2008 is already much better than 2007.
i know what youre saying and i agree. i dont think the yankees are the best team in the world in fact i know theyre not. but when i say im content with the pitching rotation, that doesnt mean that i want to have anothe bad FA signing. i know who santana is and what e brings to a team but you cannot fault me or anyone else for not wanting to make a deal
I pray that the Yankees get Santana because I want the Yankees to win at all costs. Newsflash - Phil Hughes will NEVER be as good as Santana. And yes, I will take bets from ANY and ALL of you on that.
Okay, I`ll bet you that the next 5 years Hughes has a better win/Million dollar ratio then Santana.
Argh, suggestion.. just change your board name and re-sort through your thoughts calmly so you can post here without being attacked.
you’re a bit off base, i think. but hey, i don’t claim to know everything. i’m just suggesting.
Wait a minute. Now argh is against FA signings? LOL, I think our boy here needs a compass to keep him heading in somewhat the same direction.
How the heck do you know Johan is a class act not that it matters of course.
generalizing a whole fan base is pretty foolish on your part. I for one don’t think we have the top minor system but we are in 1-5 which is pretty damn good still so stop your ranting.
You obviously don’t know anything about the prospects the yankees have so tone down your rantings before you look even more foolish.
So will Pettitte or Santana be the icing on todays cake? So pumped Andy is back. This offseason is going real good now.Mo-Po-A-Rod & AP OHHHHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHH! Go Yankees!!!
So win / million dollars is how we quantify the value of a pitcher now?
Mike,
hahaha Mike… so clever you are. Go root for the Twins if you are so financially concerned. I want the Yankees to win. You want them to save money. Moron. Or man up and bet me on performance. How much you want to bet? Or will you wuss out?
Santana would be great for the Yanks, fast forwarding the team into serious WS contention next year instead of waiting for the kids to mature and survive long enough to get the team there. But there are just some deals and some GMs you walk away from. Maybe this is one of them.
Global Warning, way to give evryone perspective– including me. I love PH but your question got me in the pit of my stomach– especially because I live Deep in the Red.
we won 94 games guys
To all you Phil Hughes lovers:
I love Phil Hughes as much as the next guy.
Things we do know:
He was our best prospect for a 2 year period. He showed glimpses at times last year that he COULD be a great pitcher.
Phil Hughes is 22 years old. The risk of Arm, mainly elbow, injuries are much higher for a pitcher under 26 due to the maturing of the arm. Studies have been done to prove this. Ala Prior or Wood.
He will be on an innings limit the next 2 years
He is a good young pitcher who has the POTENTIAL to BE GREAT.
Johan Santana is THE BEST PITCHER in the AL. Not the NL. The AL. Has been over the last four to five seasons. No pitcher has come close to his body of work over the last 4 year. He IS an ACE. He is an exceptional athlete.
We are a playoff team. We have been for over a decade. But we are not a team who cannot compete in the playoffs because we don’t have pitcher of this caliber.
I don’t care what we have to pay him. People it is not our money. Our team will never go under and we will always makes tons of money. Money should not be an issue.
We will have draft picks every year. Another Phil Hughes can come along another year. Santana is a once in ten years pitcher. He’s an Ace. He’s priceless.
Boston Dave: You’re on
Is Ellsbury, Lowrie, and Masterson for Santana (And 150 million for 6 years) actually a smart move for the Red Sox?
I`m leaning towards no, its dumb for the Red Sox. So just by not making this trade it helps the Yankees get better than the Red Sox long term. Maybe Masterson and Lowrie both bust and Ellsbury is mediocore but again, 150 million dollars, 6 years is a huge risk on its own that will prevent the Red Sox from making big moves.
Christ….
Maybe the apostrophes were too much for you guys. I am not saying it is not stupid. I am not saying it is entirely illogical.
I am saying that it is not posturing and that they have done it before, and recently.
I am sure it is not posturing because in Minnesota, generally what’s said is what’s meant. When Terry Ryan said something, he generally meant it….which is why we only got two draft picks for Torii Hunter. And as far as I’ve been able to see, since Bill Smith has taken over he’s done the exact same. The Twins (as well as their fans) wouldn’t be happy if all we got for Johan was two draft picks, but that wouldn’t prevent Bill Smith from holding his ground.
I hope that clears things up.
The issue isn’t whether Hughes ever equals Santana’s career, its whether Hughes’s career equals Santana from 2008 on. That’s all that matters and I don’t think its the given other seem to.
There’s one thing that really, really, really amuses me about these trade talks. Everyone assumes Phil Hughes needs to be as good as Santana has been the last three years in order to justify holding on to him.
The fact of the matter is, he doesn’t. All Phil Hughes needs to do is pitch better than Santana will over the next five-seven years. That is precisely what needs to be debated. Who projects better over the next five-seven years, and–I would add–what’s the cost differential there? If Santana outperforms Phil Hughes by a wide amount–let’s say, by five expected wins added to a team over the amount Hughes would add–each year over the life of the contract, then yes, very clearly, that trade would be worth it.
Let’s look at it from another angle. Let’s say Santana does outperform Hughes by five wins each of the first two years, but a combination (or either/or) of Santana declining and Hughes improving leads to the gap narrowing years three through six, with the possible result of Hughes surpassing Santana.
Well, considering Santana would be making some twenty million more dollars than Hughes, was that really worth it over the life of the contract?
It’s still not black-and-white, though; of course, it might not matter how Santana is doing years four through six or seven if the Yankees win at least one World Series in the first few years of the contract. And it’s hard to deny that Santana does indeed provide the Yankees a better chance than Hughes, at least for the next two, maybe three years, to win the World Series, barring some catastrophic injury/decline to Santana, or some exceptional growth from Hughes.
…these are all the questions that need to be thought about. Not whether Hughes is going to be the next Roger Clemens, or will duplicate Santana’s age 25-28 numbers. If Hughes *is* the next Roger Clemens, chances are good he’d be *at least as good* as Santana moving forward, and *that’s* what would be key.
Ultimately, though, I don’t really buy the argument that, because the current Yankee core of Jeter/Posada/Rivera/Matsui/Pettitte/Rodriguez is getting up on age, means the rotation likewise needs to get older. I personally favor building for a long peak, and even if Santana remains the pitcher he is through his entire contract, a pitcher like Hughes–if he amounts to anything–could potentially allow for a longer peak, since by that time he’d be around the age Santana is now.
The point is, you can try to load up for a win over the next two or three years, or you can try to be competitive these next few years with an eye to the next five or six. It’s certainly not an unfeasible task, even if the Yankees hold on to all three of their young pitching prospects.
Of course it’s all speculative, and projection, and someone is going to be proven wrong one way or the other. That’s just the nature of the game.
Come down off the ledge Boston Dave.
Geez, are you sure you aren’t argh under a different name? In your view the Yankees will suck if they don’t get Santana? Come on. Would they be better - yes, but not a lock. There is risk with giving up Hughes, and if Smith decides that his feelings are too hurt by Hank giving a limit, then Santana might end up on the block after next season.
“its yankee fans thinking they have the best team in the world.
.
and im tired of signing big name free agents that dont accomplish anything..
tell me the last big name free agent that worked out?”
Argh,
So then you want to trade away the Yankees best prospects?
They do that where does the talent come from? Yes, you got it, more overpriced free agents….
why is everyone already marking down that Hughes will be a hall of famer?
does it occur to you hughes defenders that its only a chance he will ever be even an all star?
I love the guy and wish we could keep him but its unlikely that Hughes will ever be one of the top 5 pithers in the game at any point in his career. Santana is #1.
If you think the Yanks can get Santana and keep Hughes, that is one thing. To say that the Yanks are better off with Hughes than Santana is sheer lunacy.
A-Point,
I never said hte Yanks will suck without Santana. I think they CAN win the World SEries without him. But to say that they arent better with Santana than Hughes is just absurd.
Prince - well said.
We need Santana. Andy’s return puts us a step closer and with a left handed ace like Santana, it puts us over the top. Plus, who will be our lefty ace for the next 5 years? Its time to solve that problem right now.
Mix, in that case, being that they blew it with getting anything for Torii Hunter, they might re-evaluate and realize that they should do something different. No?
Mix,
What you aren’t understanding is that Santana staying with the twins is far from a disaster for the yankees.
If santana stays and hits the free agent market next year the yankees will be the prohibitive favorites to get him.
He likes New York. If the yankees want him they will give him $200 million dollars and Santana will not say no.
Signing him as a free agent saves the team Phil Hughes. That’s not a small matter.
So if Santana stays in Minnesota in 2008 that’s fine. The yankees take their shot as under dogs to the sox.
Then the yankee rotation in 2009 will be: Santana/ Wang/ Joba/ Hughes and Kennedy.
That’s not a particularly bad outcome.
I seriously, honestly don’t get why people are so sure that Santana will keep doing what he’s been doing. How many pitchers go 7-9 years as a top 5 in MLB? There is absolutel no guarantee here, kids.
Any news from Bobcat today?
Mix:
Did it ever occur to you that we obtuse Yankee fans understand you, but just disagree with you about whether it’s posturing?
Where is Pete? Maybe he is getting some juicy rumors. Is Cash still talking?? I guess it is still possible the way he talks. Cash make a deal for Santana already!! Otherwise Santana will go to Boston and play 2nd fiddle to Beckett. Wouldn’t Santana want to be the ace on his own team and not be on one that has 1 already. No matter how much more Santana makes then him, Beckett won them a WS. Would Santana enjoy pitching game 2 for them?? Cash stop talking and make a deal!!
Or man up and bet me on performance. How much you want to bet? Or will you wuss out?
Okay, Melky, Hughes, and the last prospect (we`ll say Alberto Gonzalaez if it doesn’t go through) do better than Santana. What`s our measure for performance?
Do you want to get more specific and also compare who Melky, and Gonzalez’s replacements would be? Do you want to consider what the Yankees spend Santana’s money on if they don’t sign trade for him?
The what do you want to bet? Our name/title? How do I know that you won’t suddenly dissapear?
Rebecca,
you tell me how much you want to bet and we’re on.
Do any of you acually think there are ANY people outside of New York that would rather their team had Hughes than Santana for the next five years (if money werent the issue) ?? Hughes is not going to be the better pitcher.
Ask your beloved SJ44 and Bobcat what they think about it.
I rarely post, but I find it amazing that folks here really think that you can project that Hughes will “equal” Santana over the next few years. I wonder if people who feel this way have any idea what they are talking about. Does Santana’s record mean nothing?
And I really don’t want to see Hughes go. But comparing them as if somehow Phil will equal Johan is silly.
“Did it ever occur to you that we obtuse Yankee fans understand you, but just disagree with you about whether it’s posturing?”
You certainly don’t act like it. But solid use of “obtuse”.
Boston Dave,
I will take your bet what would you want to wager? 100,200,300,400,500 that is my limit you pick. Lets set the frame work full 2008 season. This works only if Hughes is not traded and Johan stays in Minny. We will keep it simple Wins, ERA, WHIP, and SO/BB ratio. If one gets injured too bad automatic win. Anything else you wish to add?
think about if santana remains a twin and we sign him after 08. wed have santana/wang/hughes/chamberlain/kennedy… yes its a risk but we can take chances once in a while…
I rather pull the plug but only if the Red Sox go out also in this Santana Deal.
There is no way,no matter how good Joba and Phil are the Red Sox will Destory any competition in the post season with Santana and Beckett.
SAndMan: not yet…haha
Mike,
I am clearly referring to those who feel Hughes will be better than Santana but I understand your inability to grasp that.
Tell me the time and place you want to arrange this bet. Make sure to bring your guardian. I don’t believe our bet would hold up in court with your legal retardation and all.
Boston Dave,
I dont’ disagree with you. The yakees will in all likelihood be much better with Santana over the next five year. That’s a key stretch for the team given how old so many of the key players are and how much money they’ve invested in them.
For the same of argument, if you haven’t read this article projecting how unlikely it is for Santana to keep pitching the way he has over the next five years check it out:
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2007/11/know_your_reall.php
Fallen Phoenix and others,
Why do you keep mentioning the money?? What does that have to do with anything?
If Santana is better than Hughes over the next 5 years, then it’s worth it. After that, if necessary, they can reload.
Let’s stick to comparing performance and not get caught up in the money, which is a complete red herring.
“Johan Santana is THE BEST PITCHER in the AL. Not the NL. The AL. Has been over the last four to five seasons. No pitcher has come close to his body of work over the last 4 year.”
Hello!
You are GM Smith. You can get good players for Johan now, or risk trading him at the deadline next season. Assuming the Yanks and Red Sox are in the hunt next summer, who will take Johan? Would either team trade who they have on the table right now if they are in a pennant race? Would another contender have better players to trade for him at that point? For a possible rental in a pennant race?
If he walks, you get draft picks in which case you lost your gamble.
comparing performance, there IS NOT comparison! hughes has not pitched one full season. there’s no telling how good (or not so good) hughes will be
Dr Evil,
ill go 5k. if thats too rich for you, 500.
we can discuss the categories later:
wins = 1pt
era = 2pt (since ERA is the best indicator of these)
whip = 1pt
so/bb = 1pt
and no it does not only count if johan stays in minny and hughes in NY. whats the matter? you scared hughes wont win enough games without the 6 runs a game from NY and santana getting 3 runs from minny?
this is to see who is the better pitcher… not who has the better offense.
The marginal money paid to santana is really not an overwhelming issue for the yankees.
They have already committed hundreds of millions of dollars to older, aging veterans to make one last run over the next five or so years.
If anything an investment in Santana for $20million per year is a very perceptive one because it maximizes the value that they get on the money they’ve already sunk into the team.
He’s a difference maker that could make the $200 million they are paying the other guys much more worth it if he performs up to expectation in the playoffs.
I could post a decent ERA in the NL for crying out loud
I’ll remind you that ERA+ is league adjusted!
Thanks for remembering me!
Dave, I’d say that whip would be the best indicator of those stats you had. Really, the bet should be based on VORP and/or WARP.
CB,
I appreciate that and will read it. But do you not agree that Hughes is not a lock to even be an all star pitcher?
We are arguing at whether Santana will go from the best pitcher in baseball to merely top 5. In your honest, UNBIASED, opinion, what do you think the odds are that Hughes becomes a top 5 pitcher over the next 5 years? Better than Beckett, Peavy, Webb, whoever…
Nolan,
I would agree to anything reasonable. Those would work. Do you think Phil will be better than Santana next year like Mike does?
To Boston Dave,
First off I did not insult you simply took you up on a bet. You said I will bet anyone and I called you. You want to call me names okay. I also never took a stance on Hughes so you do not know what I am thinking.
WHIP is subject to Jeter moving to his left. None of those are that strong.
According to projections done by Replacement Level, which I really like, Santana will have a WARP around 5 for the next two seasons. So no, I wouldn’t bet on Hughes surpassing him anytime soon.
DrEvil,
I will take your bet. I didnt insult you, just dont know where you came up with the bet only working if hughes stays on the yanks and santana on the twins. i never said anything about that.
do you think hughes is the better pitcher?
Boston Dave,
I agree with you that Hughes is not a lock to be an all star at all. The chances of him becoming a top 5 starter in all of baseball are small.
The yankees will undoubtedly be better with Santana on the team at a critical point in the organization.
I would make the Hughes/ Melky/ type B prospect trade tonight for those reasons both so he’s on the yankees but also so he doesn’t wind up in boston.
But I also do think Hughes is a special arm. I’m not just saying that because I follow the system. His numbers are astounding - historically good.
So trading him is very, very painful.
I don’t underestimate that. At one point or another all top 5 pitchers were once young prospects of one sort or another.
The yankees are in this mess becasue they haven’t taken that seriously enough.
To Boston Dave,
That right I am afraid of Hughes not getting the runs support but that is relative is it not? Like I said I will bet only if Hughes stays in NY. If Wang can win 19 why no Phil. I agree with you Santana is a great pitcher and is better then Hughes at this time. But their are other factors involved that makes this trade just not productive.
WFAN radio in New York reports that “there’s news floating around that the Mets are close on Erik Bedard.”
If the Mets are close on Bedard I would really love to see what they are offering??
if the mets get bedard, they are going to have to completely gut their system. i will be very interested to see how this ends up.
Dr Evil,
no, actually it is NOT relevant. You are saying that Hughes in NY will do better than Santana in NY and because of that they should not make the trade.
the bottom line is that Santana is a better pitcher than Hughes will ever be. That is my claim. I didnt realize you needed to come up with some wild parameters. If we can make a wager that best measures that, fine.
There’s some speculation that the Orioles could ask the Mets to take Miguel Tejada and his contract back in a Bedard trade.
It remains to be seen if the Mets have the pieces to pull off a trade for Bedard even after dealing Lastings Milledge.
Who on WFAN? Nobody who works there would ever be able to get a scoop on anything. Hell, M and the MD don’t even read the papers before they go on. So if it is a credible report, it is someone like Heyman who called in which means it would be on CNN SI or ESPN (if it is one of its flacks).
I can’t imagine what the mets would possibly have to offer for bedard.
Even if they offerred fernando martinez, carols gomez, phil humber and Deolis Guerra I can’t see baltimore doing that.
But then angelos is unimaginable.
During an appearance on WFAN, beat-reporter Sweeny Murti said, “There is news floating around that the Mets are close on Erik Bedard.”
…Update…8:31 pm…
To Boston Dave,
Well since both cant be in NY how will you know unless the Twins take Kennedy. We have to go with what is present at this moment Hughes is a Yankee and Santana is a Twin that should be the parameters. Again I concede that in a vacuum Santana is a better pitcher but we are not in a vacuum. Why are you calling something ‘wild’ when Hughes is a Yankee and Santana is a Twin?
I’m not saying Hughes will or will not be Santana’s equal at any point over the next five years. All I was saying is that you need to project both going forward, and not compare either one to Santana