Update from Nashville
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The Yanks and Twins are meeting tonight. Hank Steinbrenner, quiet all day, told an AP reporter at Legends Field that he expected some sort of conclusion.
The Yankees and Red Sox have not budged from their offers, I’m told. Theo Epstein said he was willing to let the process play out as long as it takes.
It could be a long night. I’ll keep you posted once something happens.
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I hope we keep Hughes. Hope to god.
Does that mean Hank’s not in Nashville Pete?
Give Bill Smith a wedgy, Brian!!!
hahaha adam….or a swiirlie…:-P
My worry is that if this deal goes down, our bullpen will stink like broccoli farts
Thanks pete you’re great you’re making much more exciting to be a yankee fan. at least they can’t trade you. lol.
Guess I’m staying up till 2 AM again
The suspense is killing me!
Pete, this makes baseball fun all year long. Thanks!
C’mon Cashman, get this done on our terms!
Good work Peter!
Pete…can i get a cell phone call…i won’t be around the computer but won’t be able to sleep without knowing what is going on….thanks
You got your red bull Pete? Sounds like you’ll need it.
Am I the only one wearing out the refresh button my computer today? lol
Rebecca I finally picked up my gift thanks
and I guess I better put on a pot of coffee tonight, I can see it now 2AM BREAKING NEWS Yankees agree to terms to negotiate w/ Johan Santana or BREAKING NEWS Red Sox agree to throw Bucholz in the deal but not Lester & Ellsbury.
yeah let me get a phone call too. i’d like to go to bed but don’t want to miss anything. i’ll leave it on
I get the feeling Peter’s not the only one stalking Cashman and Smith right now.
I think I smell a text alert feature coming soon to this blog?
Good thing I’m going to be up till 5 anyway. Thanks for making the off-season just as exciting as the regular season Mr. Abraham, sir.
I doubt a deal will get done tonight. One of these teams is going to sleep on the conditions if they get that far.
Save Phil Hughes.
Just get it done Cash money. Johan will bring in alot of money to the organization and do we really know how good Hughes will be in the long run?
I think Jacolby might have to issue a restraining order on Bill Smith seeing how he wants him and only him
yeah text option would be real nice. I have one right now through somewhere, but its so delayed. I hear most of the stuff days or atleast hours before it finally comes through my phone.
Pete take a break. Without you watching the game, we’re losing.
WE NEED YOU TO WATCH THIS GAME NOW!!!!!!!
Ok, I lied. The Patriots will win handily, despite the 17-10 score. But still, it would be nice to know you’re enjoying their win.
Sorry to say this, but a deal will not get done tonight. The Twins want to take it slow, and will not budge on a trade tonight. If anything, they’ll have to talk to the Sox as well.
Brandon…. I think the Headline will read this:
BREAKING NEWS: GEORGE STEINBRENNER KILLS BILL SMITH WITH HIS CANE…DETAILS TO COME
F the Patriots.
It’s time for all New England sports to go back in the toilet.
No offense Pete. lol
GOO RAVENS!!!
And SAVE PHIL HUGHES
In the history of my entire life I NEVER thought I would applaud Willis McGahee, however you spell it.
bphill, more like “BREAKING NEWS” JOHAN SANTANA LEAVES CHOKE MARKS ON BILL SMITH AFTER A DISPUTE MORE LATER..btw deal still not done
Can we start a phone tree here…spread the word.
You spelled it perfect Rebecca….
Brandon: hope you enjoy it!
This deal will happen tonight…Thanks Phil…but we are going with Santana…mark my words and keep checking …Santana will be a Yankee before the rooster crows…
i posted this on the wrong thread…..
so let me get this straight:
if the yankees don’t strike a deal by tonight, does that mean hughes is off the table?
what i took from hank’s previous comment over the weekend is that the hughes + melky + prospect package is the best one we’re gonna offer, and that’s what the deadline is for. after tonight, hughes is off the table and if the twins still want to trade santana to us, it’ll come at a much lesser price.
is that right? or just wishful thinking from a hughes fan?
it would make sense, though… the yankees back out, fake a play at another pitcher (haren, et al) and then the red sox back out. after the twins realize they’re gonna get two compensation picks for santana, they come crawling back to the yankees for less than whats being offered now.
they wouldn’t go to the sox, cause honestly, they don’t need santana like we do and would offer up even less than our second (sub-par) deal.
Bob, i think that you fail to realize how many Yankees fans also like the Patriots. There are many of us out there. It’s ok to root for them. I root for the Pats, Celtics, Bruins, and Boston College. I am a diehard Yankee fan, however, and the Yankees are far more important to me. But “gosh darnit”, I love my Patriots and Celtics.
The Pats are losing. Maybe it’s a sign
I don’t see the twins relenting on their demands so early in the off season.
While the yankees may need santana the twins will do everything possible to not make a mistake. I think it’s too early for them to give up.
But we’ll see. I don’t think either the yanks or the sox relent.
Quite honestly, its not a bad thing for either team if the status quo continues – as long as the other team isn’t getting santana both may be ok waiting on their offers.
Yup, Santana will be a Yankee very soon.
Rebecca, I will
i dont think theres gonna be alot of chemistry if the team is full of high paid superstars….
Of course she did. She got a perfect 6 on the writing portion of her GRE.
It’s good that Cash will be in the meeting and Hank will be in Tampa. Watch Stealth Cash fix things.
Wouldn’t it be nice if that tightwad Carl Pohlad just gave Santana a fair extension and the Twins kept him? We’d still have our uys and wouldn’t have to worry about Boston getting him. Must really suck being a fan of a team whose owner cares so little he’d contract the team for the right price.
I did see that posted earlier Mike R. Good point.
I got below average on my writing portion
See, as a Jets fan, it’s my duty to hate on the Patriots.
though there was that one time we needed the patriots to beat miami to win the AFC East and get into the playoffs, and they did at the last second, and that was the first football game I had ever gone to…
Ofcourse Theo wont pressure the Twins to take his bull offer, because he knows they would be stupid if they accepted it for an ace player. He is saying take my crappy players if you want.
Mike R: I failed spelling in grade school.
Nolan: I got below average in the math. It evens out.
This from ESPN:
BoSox GM says no big deals being held up by waiting
Associated Press
Updated: December 3, 2007, 10:16 PM ET
NASHVILLE, Tenn. — The New York Yankees appeared set to pull out of trade talks for Johan Santana unless the Minnesota Twins were prepared to strike a deal late Monday night.
“I want to get it done by tonight, one way or another,” Yankees senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner said as he left Legends Field, the team’s spring training home in Tampa, Fla. “I’m waiting for a meeting in Nashville, and then Brian will give me a call.”
Hank’s inexperience is showing.Boston is smart enough to not let its tongue get in the way of a deal. Like Michael Corleone said, “It’s only business.”
Here’s how it goes down.
Twins miss Hank’s deadline and ultimatum meaning we will no longer negotiate…then Smith comes back begging through a Goldman Sachs partner to rekindle negotiations. Hank takes over the negotiation from Cash and instead of Hughes, Melky and Gonzo, Offers Hughes, Melky and the entire Scranton AAA team.
That’ll teach those bad boys to mess with Hank. He taught Boras and he’ll teach them too! Yeah that’s the ticket!
I’m betting the Yanks have all but pulled out of the Santana sweepstakes because of Pettitte’s return.
I have little doubt that Cashman and the Steinbrenners will be content going to war with Pettitte, Wang, Moose, Joba, Hughes, and Kennedy. Horne will get his chance at some point as well.
I think Santana is staying in Minnesota for the time being.
PLEASE get Johan!!!
Hank, I will help chip in for the new deal…
How Do , Yankees Fans have Faith Cashman will do right by us . 11pm on ESPN 2 Yankees get Santana without giving up Hughes . I have my fingers crossed .
Very Nice !!!!
Ahhhh a jet fan and a yankee fans, about half the blog just sighed…
The math parts are the only ones I am capable of. I no good at this english thing.
HAHAH big joe, it’s all so clear to me now!
hughesian bias – happy to be of service
Call me shallow but I’m paying more attention to these meetings in Nashville than the Middle East peace meetings that Bush held in Annapolis last week.
*sigh*
Drive 4-5, placing and enforcing a deadline on negotiations actually isn’t all that bad a thing, depending on the circumstances. Things change when negotiators realize there is an end in sight for a game: to provide a crude, but useful example, it is all but guaranteed that, in a prisoner’s dilemma, the rational outcome would lead to both sides defecting rather than cooperating, whereas an infinitely iterated prisoner’s dilemma (real world equivalent: you don’t know when the game is going to end), cooperation becomes far more possible/likely.
Incidentally, it’s rather amusing that, now that the Winter Meetings are heating up, we’re getting into collective bargaining and auctioning in my college game theory class. I’m learning lots of useful nuggets that are easily applied to the current situations going on in baseball (which is itself a perfect laboratory for game theoretic-models).
Bob-In all fairness to Twins they offered 4yrs./20 milldo. That’s a pretty good deal but Santana(after seeing Zito’s contract) wants six years and mo money. Tough to go six years on a pitcher but he is Santana so maybe your right.
I still say Cash should give him a wedgy til Smith gives up Santana.
“How Do , Yankees Fans have Faith Cashman will do right by us .”
Who is Faith Cahman?
Anyone else starting to feel like Hank calls BCash into a room once a week and tells him what he will and will not be allowed to do for that week. Seems Hank likes to emasculate him at every chance he gets. I bet he leaves soon because he could help an organization that wants to be run right.
Faith Cashman is on tour with Hannah Montana
#9 -
Who’s Bush? the baked beans maker?
“Hank’s inexperience is showing.Boston is smart enough to not let its tongue get in the way of a deal.”
Nope. Hank knows that, if the Yankees showed no inclination to walk away from the table, the cost would continue to creep up and up all offseason.
Walking away from the table right now is the right call. If they come back, so be it. The Sox won’t up their offer without the Yanks there, and their current package isn’t saleable to the Twins fanbase.
el comaduce: What?
#9 You’re not alone. Thing is, the ME thing has been done, and done again, and nothing is new. Not (quite) so with the Winter Meetings.
the uber-mets fan and blogger matt cerrone claims that santana prefers to play for the red sox, followed by the mets with the yanks being his third choice. sounds suspicious to me.
Wow, you got a 6 on the writing section? Where do you wanna go to grad school?
I dont know why you people think we’re happy just settling for pettitte…you gotta thing somewhat long term here…..
2009 would potentially be Wang, Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy and ???? Igawa? Unless all 3 prospects turn out well thats a terrible way to open the new stadium if you ask me.
Hank should stop believing that he is his father…His father was a man who built an empire…Hank is still fed with a silver spoon.
Faith Hill and Brian Cashman, and her being an old fashioned country girl she took his last name.
So let me get this straight…If the negotiations for Santana fall through, we’re stuck with Phil Hughes?
UPDATE FROM MLBTRADERUMORS.COM
“UPDATE, 12-3-07 at 9:41pm: Matthew Cerrone says the Twins have moved on from the Yankees and Red Sox, and are calling other teams to discuss Santana. Tyler Kepner says the Yanks have interpreted the Twins’ nonresponse to their offer as a rejection.”
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
Twins are plain stupid, there is no team that can match the Yankees or Sox offers.
Johan Santana Rumors: Monday
UPDATE, 12-3-07 at 9:41pm: Matthew Cerrone says the Twins have moved on from the Yankees and Red Sox, and are calling other teams to discuss Santana. Tyler Kepner says the Yanks have interpreted the Twins’ nonresponse to their offer as a rejection.
well, Nice talking baseball with you folks
Have fun winning with your current pitching staff
The deal is over…Twins are looking at other trade partners.
We get to keep the kids.
The deal is over. Kepner of the Times has the story.
I guess that means that in 2009 we’ll have both Santana AND Hughes in our rotation. Excellent.
I am never going to forget today.
just, for the record.
Exactly unless he gets traded to another team, but it is looking like not the Sox or Yankees.
This is what I wanted all along…Cant give up the kids…Not acceptable.
2009 Hughes AND Santana. We get to have our cake, and eat it too!
nice knowing you Smith
Do the Twins SERIOUSLY think that they will get a better offer from another team?
As long as he doesn’t go to Boston I dont care.
So the Twins are beating the drums for all the other teams that can give up top prospects and a 150M extension? That should be fun. What a load of amateur crap.
Yes excellent. They better pull out of negotiations. Doing so will make Boston lower offer, if anything; definitely not increase it because where they are at now is not enough. And I still don’t buy it that Johan will go anywhere. The guy wants to win and he won’t if he goes anywhere other than NY or Boston. I’m perfectly content going into next season with Pettitte, Hughes, Wang, Joba, Kennedy, Mussina, etc.
Random question I’m not sure about for the group –
Does anyone know the last time a prospect who was ranked as Baseball America as top pitching prospect (under the age of 25) was traded in any kind of deal before completing his first year in the majors?
I can’t think of one of the top of my head.
That puts this Hughes deal in bit of a different context, perhaps. I really can’t think of one.
In 2006 Dice K was ranked first phil the first pitcher after him. I’m not counting Dice K.
Just curious.
(Guy like paul wilson who was traded after he bounced around doesn’t count. someone traded before he made it to the bigs)
“I am never going to forget today.”
Me neither!
What day is it anyway?
Does this conjure memories of being told Torre is going to Tampa to accept the manager job? I mean we were told it was done. This thing will sit out there until Hank decides he has to have him, then it will be over.
But count me as happy the kids are still in the clubhouse.
I cant see a team putting together an offer than compares to the centerpieces of Phil or Jacoby. But then again, it could happen.
I think Cash is positioning Kyle for a trade.
“No, he’s great, no we want to keep him, lots of people are asking though!”
If someone begins to get serious about him, they can act reluctant to squeeze a little more value out.
Other than A. Rod re-signing with the Yankees, this is the best news of the off-season so far.
Please let Hankee stick to his guns on this one.
LMAO
“”I want to get it done by tonight, one way or another,” Yankees senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner said as he left Legends Field, the team’s spring training home in Tampa, Fla. “I’m waiting for a meeting in Nashville, and then Brian will give me a call.”"
Uh, where in this does that say there *is* a meeting tonight… nice fumble Pete. Geez!
For the Record
The yanks shout their mouth off,
and the yanks are assuming that because they did not recive a response that the twins declined the offer..
johan will get traded…
and now we dont have to worry about the yank and their dumba$$ ownership
I can’t help but feel/hope this talk of the Twins searching out other teams is a final effort to extract a better third player from the Yankees, I just can’t see who else could meet both their and Santana’s demands.
Dodgers have the prospects and the money to get Santana.
If you dont want Santana, thats fine. But dont assume he will hit free agency.
I agree that as long as Boston doesnt get him its not as bad.
I think that the Twins are keeping Johan, & now that Andy’s back, he will win his 1st Cy Young this year. Welcome back Phil & Melky!
This won’t happen this summer. We will either know that Hughes has “it” and we don’t need another ace or we will know that he doesn’t have “it” and Minny won’t want him. It’s this offseason or wait for Free Agency (if he gets there)
There is no Kepner story, this is all troll bs based on Cerrone’s bullshot story
Sorry didn’t see the prior posts before my question -
The twins are absolute idiots. Good luck to them.
The yankees move on. Thank goodness for Pettite.
Minnysota=@$$
Phil Hughes wants a hug right now. He is peeing in his pants.
“2009 would potentially be Wang, Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy and ???? Igawa?”
Um…fortunately, if Santana ISN’T traded, he’ll be a free agent. Ta daaaa!
Also, Sabathia might be on the market. Also, guys like Horne, Clippard, Melancon might be ready to take on the back end of the rotation. Also, if you’re just looking for a back-end guy, AND you have depth…you can go after someone like Harden in trade that’s high-risk, high-reward.
com’on Omar they’re giving you Felipe Lopez !!!
If the reports are true. Cashman must be happy man today. He gets to keep his young guys. I am happy too.
“There is no Kepner story, this is all troll bs based on Cerrone’s bullshot story”
Not true. Below is the link.
“The Yankees and the Twins had not met as of 7:30 p.m., and it was obvious that the Twins were not eager to accept the Yankees’ offer of Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera and a midlevel prospect. Privately, the Yankees have interpreted the Twins’ nonresponse as a rejection of the offer and a signal that Minnesota intends to keep Santana.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12.....ref=slogin
What reports? It’s a Cerrone story that got debunked by Pete
The best part of this is that “minnysota” may go away.
Jay Destro
Here’s the Kepner link
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12.....ref=slogin
Um. Are any of you all watching the football game?
nobody else has the players to offer as the Yankees and Redsux, this deal will still get done. Smith is trying to get both teams to up their current offers by giving the appearance that they are looking elsewhere. The Yankees have said they were out of of other deals only to complete the trade a week or so later. This might not take that long but that negotiating ploy is always out there.
come on guys
you really think a rotation of
petite
wang
mussina
igawa
hughes
kennedy
jaba
is going to bring you a ring this year?
its an old rotation with a bunch of young guns
, in experienced, going to be some growing pains..
and with growing pains.. honestly.. maybe no playoffs this year for yankee land..
Ummm this makes no sense. The article says they hadn’t met and yet Lohud reports they are meeting now…
Twins might get the players but Santana won’t get those years money from any other team IMO.
As of 7:30, look at what time pete met with cashman… cash had just gotten there.
Jeezus.
It truly is amazing that somneone can post something with no link and everyone belives it as fact. This is the world of the internet. Hello people perhaps you should check it out before you take something as gospel from someone who can post anything they want. All you have to do is go the the New York Times site and you will see there is no story there that says anything close to that.
Rob in CT December 3rd, 2007 at 10:56 pm
The best part of this is that “minnysota†may go away.
haha..
ill just change my name to Rob in CT
but ill always be here buddy !
yeah rebecca, kinda surprising huh? they are tossing brady around like a rag doll
Kepner said Yanks & Twins had not met and it was 7:30. Pete had Cash & Twins meeting 10:14
I don’t see this as a bad thing.
The Kepner thing is a NON-STORY it’s all speculation based on the fact that cashman met with a few people.
For everyone who thought the yankees were being played this is what Kepner wrote:
“In any case, the Yankees’ sense Monday was that the Red Sox were not serious about acquiring Santana for themselves, offering just enough to force the Yankees to give more but not enough to truly appeal to the Twins.”
That’s a pretty good reason to walk away from a negotiation. When the other party isn’t negotiating in good faith its time to call it a night.
Hold on to your Hughes everybody this isn’t done yet.
it’s pretty obvious — the yankees and twins had not met as of 7:30 this evening. pete is reporting a meeting is scheduled. there probably is one going on right now.
kepner’s speculation that the non-response means rejection is probably correct. but it doesn’t mean definitely.
Minny-They made it this year with less.
I think we’ve seen the relative skills of Jon Heyman today. He’s produced absolutely nothing thus far. He’s good for firing some incendiary barbs around, but if Randy Levine isn’t spoon-feeding him scoops, he’s not much of a reporter. What a fraud.
and by a few people. i mean 10 that cashman invited, one being our own Pete
Now we are getting our Yankee info from a Mets blog? Come on don’t be so gullible
Boston Dave – I agree that LA has the prospects to land Santana easily, but what in their history makes you think they would be willing to give a pitcher, any pitcher, 6 years $135 M?
“Dodgers have the prospects and the money to get Santana.”
Yes, but they still need a big bat. Will they have/be willing to trade the pieces they have left after they acquire said bat?
True, Santana might be traded somewhere else after all this, but if he’s a Twin tomorrow, I think he’s a twin until the trade deadline at least. Unless someone comes in with an offer that’s just stupid.
“I’ve got a lot of clubs calling me on Mr. Farnsworth right now,†Cashman said. “I don’t expect us to move him, because we’re going to need him.â€
Sounds like Brian is selling Kyle hard
CB – Thanks for the link.
Like I intimated before, keeping Hughes is not exactly a disaster.
And Pats interception LOL
yall for instant replay
1. on home runs
2home runs and basepath bang bang plays
3 home runs, basepath bang bang plays and strike zone lol
they should test it out in AAA, to be like tennis requested instant replays, that’d be rich
Big Mistake by Boller there, dang it!
Thats fine minnysota. I’ll eat 1 or 2 years if thats what it takes to get them ready. If it means keeping them, i’ll gladly sacrifice the playoffs for a few years. Atleast I won’t have to deal with suffering another 1st round loss.
minnysota,
that rotation COULD win a ring. but yes, it would be more likely with santana.
still, the fact that you are a bitter, jealous twins fan is undeniable.
Besides, this doesn’t rule out Santana down the road. And having him in the same rotation as Phil.
SPECULATION – spec·u·la·tion (plural spec·u·la·tions)
noun
Definition:
1. opinion based on incomplete information: a conclusion, theory, or opinion based on incomplete facts or information
2. reasoning based on incomplete information: reasoning based on incomplete facts or information
mere speculation
The Mets blog also says Johan prefers to play for the Red Sox first, then the Yankees, what a joke.
Minnysota
Enjoy those draft picks, baby. By the way, since your owner refuses to pay over slot, forget about signing them.
So what will you get for Johan. Memories. Period.
from minnysota: “it’s an old rotation, with a bunch of young guys.”
excellent analysis. kind of like saying “the heavy set, thin guy.”
from minnysota: “it’s an old rotation, with a bunch of young guys.”
excellent analysis. kind of like saying “the heavy set, thin guy.”
The Kepner story is not definitive. But it definitely sounds like both sides are moving on.
Tonight’s meeting may be a last minute thing.
Kepner is not one to cry wolf.
It’s great to have Pettitte who knew we needing pitching and except waiting to New Years said he will pitch…A true Yankee he is.
Also why is some people here think the Yankees are gonna start a season with Joba,Hughes,Kennedy…not gonna happen.Someone not named Joba will be traded for Bullpen or most likely starting pitching…the Yankees haven’t improved from last year they still need to improve.
Rebecca – I am watching as well. Great game. I really hope Baltimore doesn’t foul this one up.
sorry for the repeat post guys.
Long live Phil Hughes in Yankeedom.
Santana does not want to play on the West coast.
Sweeten the pot with Igawa.
Mike R -
dynamics are changing. salaries are going up. barry zito got a huge deal. they are competing with the angels for market share. they just signed Torre and likely want to make a big splash (whether that is cabrera or santana). who knows if it will happen… im just saying it would seem to be a possibility for sure.
just dont assume he sees free agency. i think that is still the least likely scenario.
ESPN2 BASEBALL TONIGHT STARTING
It’s ok berr8, your comment was worth repeating twice. Lol
CB – says who? link?
jason stark says the deal is on life support, now that pettite is back, yankees brass more reluctant to include hughes…
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3140498
berra8, dang!
Frank Mc Court is very, very cheap. He’s a joke of an owner.
He’s unlikely to pay santana. He was really undercapitalized to even buy a team.
Home runs? No.
Base paths? No.
Strike zone? No.
Umpire conference when challenged by a coach? (base path plays, close at first, home runs) Yes.
Could someone tell Maroney to cough that ball up PLEASE?
again..
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:52 pm
“â€I want to get it done by tonight, one way or another,†Yankees senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner said as he left Legends Field, the team’s spring training home in Tampa, Fla. “I’m waiting for a meeting in Nashville, and then Brian will give me a call.—
Uh, where in this does that say there *is* a meeting tonight… nice fumble Pete. Geez!
“Calls and requests for him [Pettitte] to return from Brian Cashman, Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Joe Girardi, among others, influenced him,
as did an outpouring of requests from Yankees fans,†Hendricks said.
Nice Job, fellow Yankees fans
Oh! minnysotas talking BS here! I leave for an hour and Minny fans start talking like they have lived through dynasties in their lifetimes and have an owner that allows them to field some of the greatest players in the world for the entirety of their careers. If the deal is off so be it, and let those deadbeats do something about the tampering.
PittsburghYankeeFan December 3rd, 2007 at 11:01 pm
Minnysota
Enjoy those draft picks, baby. By the way, since your owner refuses to pay over slot, forget about signing them.
So what will you get for Johan. Memories. Period.
yea,, if you are right on with part of this..
we refuse to pay over slot.. so i give you credit for saying that..
but then you kept talking.. and you said forget about signing them.. well im here to let you know that the twins draft high school kids.. and we can sign them
so, next time you comment, just know what your talking about.
pitssburgh yankee fan.. what the hell is that anyway?
Boston Dave,
I don’t have a specific link but I must have read that Santana’s very strong preference is to play on the east coast.
I’ve read that in multiple places. Don’t have time to find a link right now.
Take if for what its worth.
Olney says they are at an impass, twins asked for Kennedy in deal, yankees pass so far
So, we’re at 4 right now, but how many more Baltimore pass interference calls will the refs miss?
I’m going with 4 more. Making it 8 total.
haha
yankee fans get all riled up
I hate Steve Phillips.
Mismatch – when one side of an argument is left helpless due to overwhelming argument validity or when a guppy is in the tank with sharks.
Case in point for either definition “minnysota” in this chat room.
minnysota – why are you trolling here anyway
The orange idiot has spoken, he would include Kennedy. So we are doing the right thing.
a rotation of
johan
liriano
baker
slowey
boof
is a more experienced and more dominant rotation then the yanks can put out there..
not to mention we have a bullpen.. and a closer..
so, whatcha think now ?
pdated: December 3, 2007, 11:03 PM ET
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NASHVILLE — With the Yankee’s self-imposed deadline approaching, the Twins and Yankees were getting nowhere Monday night in their attempt to complete a deal for Johan Santana. So the Yankees were again making noises that they might pull out of the Santana talks for good.
According to baseball officials who were aware of the talks, the Twins again asked the Yankees on Monday night for pitcher Ian Kennedy — a pitcher the Yankees have insisted for several days that they wouldn’t trade — as the third player in their proposed deal. The Yankees apparently turned down that proposal immediately.
The Yankees have held firm since Friday that if pitcher Phil Hughes and outfielder Melky Cabera were part of their offer, the third player heading for Minnesota would have to be a second-tier prospect. So the highly regarded Kennedy headed a list of “untouchables” that included Joba Chamberlain, pitcher Alan Horne and outfielders Austin Jackson and Jose Tabata.
But the Twins also haven’t budged since Friday. They wanted Kennedy then, and they still do. So unless one side or the other gives, it now appears a trade that once appeared inevitable could blow up for good.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3140498
Why not throw Farnsworth in and get Nathan, too (lol)? Cash says “everyone” is asking about him … I remember hating to see Eric Milton go but Knoblauch helped the Yankees win a couple championships, didn’t he? Milton didn’t exactly change the face of baseball. How about Sterling Hitchcock? I was frustrated when the Yanks let he and Russ Davis go to Seattle in 1996, but that move sure panned out (Martinez, Nelson). Getting a player of Santana’s magnitude is a once in 10 years opportunity. It’s worth the risk because it would bump Wang to a less pressurized No. 2 role, Pettitte to No. 3 and helps ease in both Chamberlin and Kennedy.
phillips is such an idiot
^ to bad even if we don’t get Santana our team is still 10 times better lol.
why do i post here?
well here.. should i change my name?
i mean.. yankee fans see a name called minnysota and they get all over it..
here. ill pick a new name… ill talk crap about the yanks.. and ill say im a yankee fan…
i mean come on
minnysota
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:08 pm
a rotation of
johan
liriano
baker
slowey
boof
is a more experienced and more dominant rotation then the yanks can put out there..
not to mention we have a bullpen.. and a closer..
so, whatcha think now ?
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We think you like trolling along through life and enjoy artic weather and drinking your nights away, dufus !
CB – I heard Greenberg went out of his way to insist that Santana did not have an east coast preference. could be posturing of course.
im gay and the twins sux
your team is 10 times better
but they wont beat the sox
and in a playoff series, your team cant beat liriano and johan
i’m genuinely surprised the twins would pass up the chance to get phil hughes. i know that he’s just a prospect, but it’s very rare that pitching prospects of that quality are available.
Philips screwed one NY team now he’s trying to validate the destruction of the other. He is a hack on talent evaluation and should shut his piehole. Can you say Mo Vaughn?
“well im here to let you know that the twins draft high school kids.. and we can sign them”
not true at all. this past draft by far the highest rated high school player was Rick Porcello.
He was uniformly considered the best high school pitching prospect since Josh Becket.
The twins passed on him because he was a Boras client demanding to be paid over slot.
The twins passed and he fell to detroit who gave him a 7 million dollar bonus.
The twins drafted Ben Revere – a very fast, light hitting high school outfielder instead – he was considered the biggest stretch of the draft.
Nowhere even close to porcello
Enjoy those picks.
You think Phil and Melky are following along on here with us? Hi Phil. Hi Melky.
Did Steve Phillips just say that NO team can make it to the world series with three young pitchers??? What a Maroon!
im gay too
what did Phillips say?
“phillips is such an idiot”
No kidding, but we knew that already, right?
I love how he says he’d add Kennedy in a heartbeat if that’s what it takes. Of course you would Steve…..you were a crap GM, and you hate the Yankees. Duh.
They’ll be peace in the Middle East before this deal comes to fruition.
ESPN is so in they can’t get in a press conference with Cash. What a joke. Because they practice no journalistic integrity in reporting rumors. See Herbstreit for latest example.
Big Joe he did draft David Wright, but signed Roger Cedeno
ESPN also nailed the Torre resigning this year in tAmpa eh?
Why the hell does everyone think it will take Hughes Kennedy and Joba so long to reach their potential? They very well may be at the top of the food chain next season.
Look at Verlander’s Rookie season…He was the main reason the Tigers were so successful in 06…Look at Carmona this season…The guy was dominating and only had 72 MLB innings under his belt prior to this season….The big three are this type of Talent!!!
Randy: That’s quite the optimistic take…
Look at Phillips with his gold watch out huh ha ha goes good with the orange skin, guys a pimp rofl.
Geez they want Kennedy too? If your the Yankees just wait until he’s a FA. Not worth giving all that up. Atleast there will be options starting pitching wise next off season. Santana,Sabathia and Peavy (I think?).
I’ve noticed a Santana camp angle is to keep calling Phil Hughes just a “prospect.” Then they go on to say Santana is a sure thing. The reverse is more likely true. The Twins are dying to get Phil Hughes. The Yankees have proven they cannot win with high-priced mercenaries looking to cash in. Especially pitchers. They made an investment in young players and promised me every day for 2 seasons that these guys were my future. I want what they promised me and what I’ve already seen on the Yankee major league playing field. We have a star pitcher in Phil Hughes but he’s younger than Pohlad’s guy and about $150,000,000 cheaper and less likely to break down due to years of reliance as a team’s ace. And by the way, save Melky Cabrera too.
phillips is a riot. he’s as dumb as they come. how was this guy a GM for a professional baseball team?? Oh that’s right, the Mets are beyond stupid.
minnysota-
There a couple of Yankees fans who won’t talk or listen to reason if you don’t hail Hughes better then SAntana or worry more about the the bullpen then anything else or they only post to the “OTHERS”.
Boston Dave,
I think that is posturing. I remember back before the 2008 season started santana rumors about him preferring the east coast.
I don’t know if its definitive but I’ve heard that a lot. He’s building a massive home in florida. Don’t know if that’s it.
minnysota-
Johan-awesome
Liriano- won’t be pitching like his old self until July Baker-unproven
Slowey- 9 game winner at most
Boof-sux
some rotation!
Twins will be lucky to finish .500
Mike R. – I thought he said that they can’t be a playoff team with 3 rooks. Buster basically called him on it talking about the 2nd half of this past year with rooks starting and getting into the playoffs.
How is Hughes a star? He hasn’t done anything in the Bigs yet.
“The Twins are still believed to be considering the Yankees’ pitch of right-hander Phil Hughes, outfielder Melky Cabrera and a second-tier prospect, to be selected from a list provided by New York. MLB.com has learned that there is a strong indication that Twins GM Bill Smith planned to meet with the Yankees on Monday evening.”
source : http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p;c_id=nyy
*gets ready to apologize to pete
Paging Mr. Steve Phillips….Ah what about the 06 Tigers?
Hey Teinie Steinie, It’s called C-A-P-A-T-I-L-I-S-M. Supply and demand. Don’t want to play the game? Why now? How did Daddy get his money? Red Sox back to back, Minnesota Mark
Steve phillips was a joke of a GM. Now he is a babbling idiot of a analyst. Steve needs to head down to the bar and pick up some chicks. Give up the farm for short term success is not what the Yankees should do!!!!!!!!!!
It would appear that the Twins are not all that fired up about doing a deal. You wonder what their own internal dyamics are. I bet it has a lot to do with their financing for that open-air ballpark.
I am absolutely giddy right now.
Buster Onley really could use the styling talents of a Giuseppe Franco.
VOIII- I don’t think it will take long for at least one of them to reach their potential. I’d bet that one will be Hughes this year. I think Joba will start very very slowly (at least I hope they start him slowly). Kennedy feels like a mystery.
You can’t even spell capitalism.
Boston Dave,
Would you include kennedy in the trade?
The smartest thing the Mets ever did was fire Steve Phillips. How does this self tanned imbecile have a job commenting on baseball when he clearly has no idea as to what he’s talking about? My ears hurt from listening to the garbage that just came out of his mouth!
how about the ‘03 Marlins, steve?
#9
I think olney instead dresses with the approach of generalisimo Franco.
Steve Phillips looks like a creamsicle.
This thing looks like its over.
I think the Yankees can live with the rotation as is. Minnesota wants too much, just like the Marlins want too much for Cabrera, and the A’s want too much for Haren.
GMs are getting a lot smarter. It’s survival of the fittest: look where Steve Phillips is now as a prime example. You can’t screw anyone anymore, except as a salary dump.
Keep Hughes, take your chances.
PS Minnysota: I am a Yankee Fan who lives in Pittsburgh. Hence my screen name. A CB said, enjoy your picks. When was Liriano’s TJ surgery by the way? About a year ago? Don’t pitchers need about 2 years to get their velocity and control back, or is there something different in the water in Minnysota?
what if I told you that the first 5 letters of my last name were S.T.E.I.N ……
would I then be an inside source?
I love the internet .. the anonymity. Right-O Bobcat?
what did Steve Philips say that made everyone so mad?
Looks like Jose HGH Guillen is signing with Kansas City, 3 for $36M
oh Derek Martin why did you touch that so early !!
he’s a complete moron. he’s saying how the yanks should absolutely include kennedy in the package.
“what did Steve Philips say that made everyone so mad?”
What “doesn’t” Steve Philips say that makes everyone mad?!
Kennedy is the most polished of the three.
YES ROLLE !!!
Twins still want Ian too! http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3140498
Speaking of Bobcat,
I was just thinking about him…. has he made any appearances today? I respect him and his thoughts, however i don’t feel like much of what he siad has shaken out, no?
Anyone watching Monday Night Football? The Pats and Tom Brady are very close to getting beat! (not that I’ll believe it ’til I see it)….
LC – he’s always hated the yanks back to when he was with the mets. He counted us out during the season last year. Tries to bad mouth our approach to building team then tries to encourage horrendous roster moves….he’s just not good!
How is going 5-3 in 13 starts with a league average ERA and poeting a 1.59 ERA in 5.2 IP and a win in playoffs at the age of 21 nothing?
CB, i wouldnt consider it only because they wont need to. nobody will offer a package that equals hughes, kennedy, cabrera.
do i think santana is worth hughes/kennedy? that is a close one. i know that is the minority opinion. either way, that would be overpaying since the sox would never give ellsbury and lester and the dodgers prob wont give both kershaw and kemp.
Either Phillips needs a better self-tanner or he’s an international plutonium mule..
yes and I pray Baltimore does it !!
The Yankees are once again ‘making noise’ that they might pull out of talks regarding Santana, writes Jayson Stark at ESPN.com.
…based on what i initially wrote in this post, coupled with stark’s report, among other new insight, i am getting the sense that the Twins, Red Sox and Yankees are all getting cold feet…and, frankly, if the Mets are not a player in this, i would love to see the Twins hang on to the guy, which could be a far more realistic option right now than we realize…
http://www.metsblog.com/2007/1.....for-grabs/
LC: I work for Goldman. Maybe I can mediate the trade.
“minnysota” you can call yourself whatever you want. But based on your inane thoughts and ridiculous spelling, everyone will know who you are. You sound like your IQ is probably the same as Bonds hat size.
Brandon – ME TOO!!
Steve Phillips would have traded Hughes & Kennedy for Mo Vaughn.
Funny how Phillips can’t get a job with any team, shows he must have had some mad skillz as a GM.
The Twins are a bunch of fools. They really thought they would get 2 #1 pitching prospects and a CF. I don’t think they ever had any intention of trading Santana. Just waste everyone’s time. Also what a moron Phillips is..Why don’t the Yanks just trade Joba and Cano with Kennedy and Hughes? I wonder why he is not a GM anymore, let me just trade the farm system for 1 player. If you watched Olney’s face he was looking at him like are you stupid? That is how you wind up with no farm system and get fleeced(like the Yanks used too) when you act like the great Phillips.
I lost some sleep when the Yanks traded Sterling Hitchcock, another fine prospect, along with Russell Davis, in 1996 to the M’s. That moved worked out and so did moving another solid lefty, Eric Milton, for Knoblauch a few years later. Santana takes pressure off both Wang and Pettitte and he buys time for Chamberlin and Kennedy, assuming Hughes is included. Look at what Beckett’s presence met to Boston this postseason. Getting a hurler like Santana is a once in 10 years possibility. In addition, he’d be a cult hero in New York’s hispanic community ….
dammit….
i need McGahee to get just 16 more yards to make the fantasy football playoffs!!! UGH
i’m all for getting santana, and i had come to terms with giving up hughes, but asking for kennedy as well is too much.
What would a Yankee off season be if they didn’t shock us with another big fat contract. Build up that farm system! Mortgate that new stadium by shipping off all the young moneyball budget players that mold a team chemistry. Keep paying that Luxury Tax, cause afterall we have to have that guy.
he’s an international plutonium mule – that is awesome and probably true – Instead of the silver fox he’s now the plutonium ferret.
com’on 2 more or a TO !!
wow what a wasted timeout…. let’s go Baltimore
How much do you want a bet that Beane will be knocking on Cash’s door in 5 minutes wanting to talk.
who’s the idiot that called the TIMEOUT !!!!!
Boston Dave,
I completely agree. I think the main thing here is what are you exactly trading for.
If Santana was signed for 2 or 3 years even at something like $15-20 million per maybe he’d be worth it.
But all the yankees are doing her is trading for the rights for one year of santana and that exclusive negotiating window.
There is no way they can trade 2 of their top 3 prospects for what they are actuallly getting.
They just can’t. Losing both of them would be devastating to the team for the next 10 years – losing one ok. But not both.
BALTIMORE WTF
When are people going to stop calling Billick a “Genius”??? The guy is awful!
If I’m Santana, I hold out and play one more year in Minnesota. It seems to me that he gets a lot more money when the team acquiring him isn’t still pondering all the high level prospects they just traded.
forget Johan….
Free agent Kris Benson plans to throw for teams on Dec. 18.
JESUS PLEASE JUST 1 MORE STOP !!!
UHG!! i wish the pats would just lose already! this and the santana stuff…. sports have been good to me today
My fantasy football league started playoffs this week and so far my team’s 25 points ahead, but the other team has Brady for QB. I am so hoping we win this round!
OJ Brady…
HOW DO YOU LEAVE BRADY WIDE OPEN!?!
ARE YOU TRYING TO THROW THIS GAME?!
Okay.
Breath. Optimistic.
BD,
Kennedy and Hughes for Santana is a close one? Add up the win potential of Hughes and Kennedy and then add up the win potential of say Santana and Moose…I would bet on the Kids in that race. Oh, and ah… they would cost about 30 million less next season… Now throw in the fact that we would loose our starting CF’er in that deal…Yeah that’s a tough call buddy…
unbelieveable. stopped them twice and didnt matter because of DEFENSIVE timeout and false start.
unbelieveable. stopped them twice and didnt matter because of DEFENSIVE timeout and false start.
Obviously they never intended to trade him if Boston has Lester or Ellsbury on the table and they are asking the Yanks for Hughes and Kennedy when Hughes beats that package alone. The count down is 27 minutes until the muzzle falls off Hank again. He will not be happy if they did ask for Kennedy and he has every right not to be we will find out no way he can keep quite. AwWwwWW they had to put Gammons to sleep already is that why he isn’t on this show?
Jesus plays for the Ravens? Cool!
perfect season on the line…. KILL THEIR PERFECT SEASON RAY LEWIS!
cant catch a break. ball deflected a mile in the air somehow falls. lets go stop them here
Who thinks Baltimore should rush the field if they can get the stop?
Where on TV is the football game everyone is watching?
VOIII –
a) I said I was in the minority. I am entitled to my opinion. why dont you ask your beloved bobcat what he thinks?
b) i wasnt talking to you, nor would i ever have to need to
c) you are a joke
espn
The Ravens defense is leaving EVERYTHING out there on the field.
Will the Ravens actually stop the pats?
Gammons probably melted on the set sitting next to Steve.
ESPN bartap
are you kidding me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best game of the year
what a bull**** call…… get off your knees youre blowing the game
i cant believe it. the patriots have had 10 lives.
holy moly.
new set of downs
TD Pats.
unbelievable…..
Baltimore, our relationship is over.
TD BRADY!!
Damn Baltimore…..
ew
no catch
he was bobbling the ball
Damn the Patriots….LUCKY BASTAGES !!!
nice job Bart Scott….
Brian Billick is a joke. That guy should be fired tomorrow. Offensive genius my @$$
Why not just pay the Twin’s a posting fee?
20 million and no prospects.
BOOOOO!!!!
hahahah unsportsmanlike for throwing officials flag into the stands. never seen that one before
BD,
Why is he my beloved Bobcat?
Maybe you should learn a little something about the Yankee’s Minor League Talent, B4 you go trading them away…Maybe I can suggest a few good publications for your perusal?
he didn’t have control
Save The Big 3!!!!
W from CT
thats the best post yet
he was bobbling that ball you could see from the angle looking right in his face…. overturn that bad boy…. oh and can hank tell some reporters something at midnight so i can go to sleep
This might get overturned!
This game is unbelievable. Do the Pats kick this out the end zone????
stupid timeout
it’s ok im a season ticket holder for the G-Men and we are gunna be the ones to stop this madness….. Osi and Strahan all day tom here we come
VOIII -
your posts are a riot. not because they are particularly funny… but because you actually believe them.
no need for the two of us to continue… best of luck to ya.
i want to see them go all they way unscathed i dunno i like seeing the best win, thats why im a yankee fan ya know
What a joke. The Ravens won that game twice and somehow lost.
So I’m thinking that Baltimore was trying to throw that…
Or Onside kick??? Or squib kick??? They’ll be kicking from the Ravens 35!!!!!!!!!!
It’s official
The Yanks traded George’s right hand for Santana!!!
LOL
This just in from Nashville newspaper:
A sports reporter from a New York newspaper was found dancing deliriously in the street of Nashville tonight.
At least the Ravens covered the spread
living in boston at times like this sucks…
why wouldnt the pats not kick onsides?
I’m really starting to feel that the yanks should walk away from this deal (and I was initially for it, mind you)
The Yankees would benefit from trading Melky for a solid reliever in order to strengthen the bullpen, and signing Aaron Rowand.
#9,
I heard it’s for a player to be determined. George Steinbrenner’s cryogenically preserved body.
Do you think they could use that time out that their coached burned right around now?
Pete G – I agree to an extent… but the Pats dont look so good the last 2 weeks.
“why wouldnt the pats not kick onsides?”
That’s what they did…..;)
Mike R – good point
what a joke the ravens are…. and im a giants fan
Rob NY
I live in Boston.. and it SUCKS
this is like watching a wounded puppy now
WOW
BD,
Why don’t you educate me? what exactly in my posts has not been true? I don’t believe I have ever stated anything as fact…We just value the prospects differently…You are star struck and want to trade them for established stars…I want to watch our own turn into stars…That’s All I’M Saying….
god that sucked…. i thought i just saw a miracle
…
Sometimes there are no words.
NOOOOOOOO!!!
wow
What a freaking fitting end that was…..so close but not quite!!
Has anyone stopped to consider that the Yankees are stupid enough to not make this trade, move on, and trade for a lesser pitcher (Bedard, Haren, etc.)
why do the patriots get so many calls in their favor?
bobcat says the yankees cant get kazmir but i want him so bad lol
That was some serious pass interference on the Ravens. That doesn’t get called, but the 4th down weak-ass holding gets called???
of course it would end that way, as if the patriots didnt have enough go their way. im so pissed. i hate the patriots as much as the red sox
boston dave, come on even the yankees look like crap some times, nah maybe its just because my jets should call it a season and im looking for some solice
Time to turn over to ESPN2 and watch Ravich, Kurtijan and the Human Heat Lamp.
From the Jayson Stark posting @ 11:39P
There is no question that the cooler heads in the Yankees organization have no desire to trade Hughes, rightfully so.
Hankee should go back to his little ponies and let the baseball people do their job.
Why does history have to repeat itself?
What a nutty game
27for27 well they dont throw slags in the stands for starters
“why do the patriots get so many calls in their favor?”
did you watch the game? the ravens play like idiots so they get penalties called. this isnt a espn anti yanks bias is thats what youre worried about.
come on pete g. the j-e-t-s have to steal the pats undefeated season for us! SOMEBODY HAS TO DO IT!
flags rather
GAME OF THE YEAR!!!
GO PATS!!!
“Has anyone stopped to consider that the Yankees are stupid enough to not make this trade, move on, and trade for a lesser pitcher (Bedard, Haren, etc.)”
it’s only stupid if they trade Hughes for Haren, which they won’t.
Kennedy for Haren wouldn’t be stupid at all.
rob ny where is bobcat posting
Why do the Patriots get so many calls in their favor???? If you havent figured that one out by now, you never will. The way George Mitchell headed the MLB steroids investigation, so Papi and manny and curt would be protected. or the way minnesota handed them garnett, randy moss, and soon Johan.
Never has a football team been so good and so little people cared
Patriots two close calls, vs the Eagles and the Ravens. Boller and Feeley, I somehow think they’re going down before season’s end.
id have a better chance of beating the pats in a couple weeks, second team safty freshmen team my sopomore year in high school baby woooooo
lol i dont know really not concerned about him just said that id prefer kazmir to santana yesterday and he commented that the rays wont deal with the yanks…. i tend to think money (and prospects) talks but hey
and allow me to say that a lot of people have gotten kind of bobcat crazy here … he seems like a cool guy but geez
So hard to root for a team from New England! Have to keep in mind Brady is a Yankee fan.
okay, I just found out Pettite is coming back! Why is no one talking about it?
Steve Finley begging for a job on ESPN – this is the saddest thing I’ve seen in quite a while.
Until he wears a Yankee cap on the sideline during the SuperBowl, he’s still one of the posterboys of a sports city I detest.
DC,
I’m a half-breed. I like the Yankees AND the Patriots.
Now I remember why I stopped watching football years ago, the endless penalties… this is a game Baltimore could have won.
They are kinda treating Finley like crap man, poor guy, ugh.
BUT, my son’s not applying to any schools in MASS.
Brady actually isn’t a Yankee fan, he just wore the hat. He is actually a huge Dodgers fan.
It’s a hard life to give up…guys try to hang on for as long as they can…and hey, Barry Bonds had to do the same thing last year…
Steve Philips actually made a good point! Kurkjian said the Twins can wait until July and still get a similiar deal than they could get now for Santana. Philips said if they wait until July, the teams who will be interested will be teams who are in contention and those teams will not be willing to give up multiple major league ready players because they will need them for the stretch run.
Am I right in assuming nothing more will happen tonight?
27for27 – we talked about it for about 500 post on some of Pete’s other posts….
it’s not whether he’s a cool guy or not, it’s just that he’s got the right info about all this trade nonsense. his posts are useful in trying to figure all of this out.
“okay, I just found out Pettite is coming back! Why is no one talking about it?”
go back about 8 threads
Rob NY, Why would the Rays trade him they gave up so much to get him…haha
they play in foxboro not boston, same difference, you know what im excited for Lacrosse championships in foxboro in may wooo, i know no one cares but i think its cool…….
Baltimore should have won this game.
Yea, I totally agree with Jonathan that Hank needs to stop dominating the scenes even though it’s his family money. Trading Hughes would eventually haunt us albeit many people saying that it’s not a sure deal that he would live up to his potential. Also, by the way Cashman has almost seemed reluctant to speak of things relating to the Yankees (Mo’s, Arod’s contracts), particularly about trading for Santana, he is most definitely unhappy with the prospect of trading Hughes. And for someone who’s traded for Pavano, Brown, etc., he probably learned from his mistakes ergo people should listen to him. Ultimately, I’m just frustrated that they offered to trade Hughes, and I am hoping that if nothing is accomplished tonight with the deal, then the Yankees should end negotiations or continue with a different package san Hughes.
Rich
You are either a fool, a red sox fan, or the same fool who guys by Rich on Waswatching.com
Im gonna go with the middle one. A NYJ guy could have his pants taken off, bent over, and inserted into during the play against his will, and no penalty flag is coming his way, so who are you kidding you troll
2 minutes till deadline
minnysota
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:08 pm
a rotation of
johan
liriano
baker
slowey
boof
is a more experienced and more dominant rotation then the yanks can put out there..
not to mention we have a bullpen.. and a closer..
so, whatcha think now ?
________________________________________________
OK. It’s official.
You’re an idiot.
You have:
Santana. great start
Liriano. Could be another Santana..Could be another Joe
Mays, if he stays healthy.
Bonser. snort, snicker. His only claim to fame is his
name, and, he had to have that legally changed
from John to get that.
Baker: one year of nothing special, outside of one game.
Slowey: What experience/success does he have over Hughes?
Bullpen: Nathan…maybe
Neshek. very good, for the first time in his
career.
Rincon: The same guy that did a suspension for chemical
abuse, was traded and sent back because of
shoulder issues.
Reyes: Nothing special
Guerrier: Outstanding rookie. Does he repeat?
The rest: Riggggghhhttt.
The Twins have question marks, and a lot of them, not the least of which may be an unhappy Santana, fears about Liriano (who will not work a full load)…rookies and nothing specials. Nathan may be gone, so Neshek replaces him, Guerrier moves up without a replacement.
NYY rotation has youth issues, but all 3 are top of the line. Mussina, who will be a long man/spot starter is hardly dog meat…he has ability to bounce back and will have proper rest. Wang and Pettitte will be the two of the best #2 pitchers around.
Closer? Ever hear of a guy named Rivera? The bullpen will have Ohlendorff, Farnsworth (maybe) and question marks, but, some great options coming in.
Basically, the Twins can count on Santana and Neshek, right now…Everything else is up in the air.
If the Twins keep Santana, he knows there’s only one team that’s going to pay him north of $20M.
“okay, I just found out Pettite is coming back! Why is no one talking about it?â€
Are you also aware The Beatles broke up?
I think the deadline ends at sunrise, this ain’t a Cinderella deal, I think if its dark outside the deal can still get done, so until its 5 am or something I cant be so sure the “deadline” has passed.
By the clock on my cable box…it’s 12:00AM otherwise known as midnight…
Is the window closed? Is Hughes off the table? Can I go to bed with visions of Phil Hughes in pinstripes dancing in my head.
deadline is over…is santana a yankee or what?? lol..what a joke
i say go for bedard and keep franchise, i mean santana is great but look what melky did for the club house, we could get bedard for minor leaguers
WINDOW IS NOW CLOSED
I hope the Twins keep Santana and then next year they get a #1 pick and then the pick decides not to sign with them…and then they get nothing for him. Those greedy people…
Pete, getting Bedard will require just as many prospects as Santana does.
Yes, this deadline is a joke.
bobcat is what life is all about
“Philips said if they wait until July, the teams who will be interested will be teams who are in contention and those teams will not be willing to give up multiple major league ready players because they will need them for the stretch run.”
i disagree with phillips.
those teams trading for him would not have any intention of extending him. it would be a pure rental.
the difference is that EVERY team in contention could afford him at that point. so you’d have a TRUE bidding war, not 2 teams going head to head half-heartedly.
the teams would trade prospects for him, take their shot at a title, and then collect 2 draft picks. not a bad deal.
Come on Pete any update for us who are staying up late even though we have to go to work tomorrow.
pat,
Johan said he wont accept a trade during the season.
It’s really telling that Minnesota was still insisting on Kennedy.
Not even Horne or Jackson. Kennedy.
They clearly see Melky as the “third” player in the deal.
If they are stuck on Kennedy despite being repeatedly told he’s off limits then there’s not a lot for them to discuss right now.
I’d bet Cashman is relieved. That Jason Stark article said Cashman was afraid he was trading away a future Cy Young award winner in Hughes.
Bobcat is full of it……he played us all this past week.
FYI Nashville is on Central time lol
It’s funny how people think that if they are talking a deal and it strikes midnight Cashman is going to stuff everything into his briefcase frantically, run for the door, and leave the deal on the table because the deadline passed.
“Self-imposed deadline passes, but possible deal not ruled out”
That pretty much says it all.
i can understand the twins not wanting to let him go for what they percieve is not his worth, you talking about the best, not one of the best, but the best pitcher in the league, oh and guess what he’s lefty too, and he’s even not a bad hitter, if i was them id be pushing the mets for reyes or wright with options on contracts and all that other buisness stuff
Tim Kurtijan’s voice has more cracks than a NYC sidewalk…
# 9 not only did the beatles break up, we landed on the moon
Hope the Twins enjoyed their 15 minutes of fame. Minnesota shall now return to their regularly scheduled obscurity, already in progress.
Time to focus on what it would take to get Bedard, if Macphail is ready to shed his illusions.
how do you know that wasn’t a fake bobcat. there are many fake bobcats out there
Ok deadline is up, please tell us the Yanks and Sox both backed down, and Minnesota will keep Santana until at least the trade deadline. Last I heard they wanted Hughes/Melky/Kennedy still, if Hank did that I will hate him for eternity.
hate to change the subject but, brady is a yankees fan.
When asked by WEEI’s John Dennis “if you could own one player jersey, whose would it be?”, Brady replied, “Derek Jeter’s. I like how Derek Jeter does a lot of things.” In an episode of Inside the NFL, they prefaced a question, “Growing up a Yankee fan…”
he’s from michigan, and there are plenty of yankee fans out there, or everywhere, for that matter. you can’t hate the patriots, it’s like hating the yankees.
it’s anti-american.
Actually Ice Age, at the stroke of midnight Hughes turns back into a pumpkin.
nolan, i agree, but we are talking more middle of the road prospects with maybe a gardner thrown in, id give up ajax for bedard, i dont think hed comand a hughs or a melky, but maybe im underestimating bedards value
#9,
ha ha thats a riot!
Guys, it’s like football or shopping. As long as the play gets off before the last tick or you get in the syoutore before closing time, you’re still in business.
Twins going for the Hail Mary pass and the Yankees are trying to kick the Twins out of the store because they want to put the jewelry in the safe and go home.
Am I the only person hoping Minnesota holds onto Santana until next year?
I wonder if Pettite coming back may have saved Hughes and possibly Kennedy’s career’s as Yankees?
Mets and Orioles are apparently really close with a deal involving Bedard. He probably wont be available much longer if even now.
Just a hunch, but if you wake tomorrow and Santana is not a Yankee, we will have to wait until 2009. IMO that is the best thing that could happen and I also think this has alot to do with Andy deciding to play in 2008.
Hopefully, I can root for Hughes in a Yankee uniform for years to come, becuase I would hate for that #65 shirt to go to waste.
Deadline’s passed Pete, and I gotta get to sleep, so even just an itty bitty update would help out here!
oops that’s “store”
yeah i hope minny holds onto Santana too…. let him win 15 games out there and come on out to NYC again next year
A Red Sox official told Yahoo! Sports Tim Brown that he believed the Yankees and Twins were “very close” to completing a Johan Santana trade.
Jason Stark at ESPN is reporting that this deal may be on life suppot.
Boston now gets Santana for Coco Crisp, J.D Drew and a player to be named later. And I’ll be happy when they do! Keep Hughes (and Kennedy) in pinstripes for Chrissakes!!!
I actually think that is what Cashman will do since he has been agonizing about having to include Hughes in the deal.
If this deal really is dead, no one is more relieved than Brian Cashman (and me).
support that is
From Rotoworld:
A Red Sox official told Yahoo! Sports Tim Brown that he believed the Yankees and Twins were “very close” to completing a Johan Santana trade.
His seems to be the minority opinion at the moment, but all one side has to do is blink for a deal to get done, or at least for contract talks to start. The current guess is that Santana will seek a six-year extension worth around $150 million
tom bradys a good looking cat, no homo
LC -
i’ve been preaching that all along. screw santana. i want to keep the kids and then sign santana after next season. everyone knows the red sox aren’t serious about signing him (unless they get him for cheap) because they just won. there’s no need for more starting pitching on that team.
hmmm
I don’t disagree with you but Kurkjian said Twins think they could get the same thing now as they could in July. They aren’t looking for prospects now, they are looking for major league ready.
“The Yankees remained Santana’s most likely destination into the evening, because they have just enough disposable prospects to get him and all of the disposable income to carry the resulting contract extension.
Said one general manager: “I don’t think Boston’s really for real in that.”
Indeed, by late Monday night, a Red Sox official believed the Yankees and Twins were “very close” to completing the trade.”
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns
Maybe this deal will get done……
“# 9 not only did the beatles break up, we landed on the moon”
That’s what our government wants you to believe, dude!
Fight the power!
@ Greg
I’ve seen this too, but the Mets have to trade their remaining system for him. Gomez is a given in that deal, my guess is they will have to include F. Martinez aswell, maybe. Definitely have to give the O’s good pitching in return too, Humber doesn’t count, Pelfry does though.
Ryan and Martini…
I beat ya to the punch
ok, that statement was released by a red sox official who’s probably an attention-grabbing whore. remember what bobcat said? you only hear what you want to hear.
it doesnt even matter who said it, either. everyone should know the politics that come into play during trade talks…
Wouldn’t Milledge been an attractive piece to trade to the Twins. Are Church and Snyder that important that they did that deal right away?
GreenBeret7-
You are so smart…Insult the Twins bullpen…The Twins are getting Glen Perkins, Nick Blackburn and Jesse Crain to add to an already dominant bullpen…Look at Denny Reyes’ 2006 season and tell me he’s not special…I would love for you to explain how Liriano is going to be a Joe Mays, I think Joe Mays would have been happy with half of Liriano’s stuff…Liriano is better than all the yankees pitchers…and will have a better future than Phil Hughes…Boof and Baker both got around 150 innings last year, that’s far more experience than any of your young pitchers…Also realize that we have already got rid of our worst hitters from last year and Nick Punto is not going to hit .210 again…We have a couple holes for our everyday players, but they will be filled…Looking at the Delmon Young deal, it looks like Bill Smith is gonna fill those holes long term…
Tyler Clippard has been traded
source
Damn you Boston Dave! Haha…..
CB
Interesting point. He certainly did the Yankees a favor by reaching his decision before the winter meetings.
Who cares about the Mets?
# 9…Hey, that’s a Beatles tune! Serendipity indeed…
please take hughes off the table! the more i think about this deal the less i like it!
hughesian bias, nobody said it was for real… but it was said so we posted it.
if we werent listening to all the rumors, there would be zero posts in here….
one of these days, one of hte rumors will finally be right. just not sure which one that will be.
Greg,
The Mets don’t have the prospects to get Bedard. Don’t post silly nonsense.
That’s some scoop re: Clippard…if it’s legit
nite everyone… time to watch I Love NY II on dvr
Anyone know anything about Jonathan Albaladejo?
Vader,
just that he will be in the Nats bullpen next year…. is he being dealt?
“Anyone know anything about Jonathan Albaladejo?”
Only thing I know is I can’t pronounce his name.
Brady’s not from Michigan. He’s from California. He went to school in Michigan.
yeah Jonathan Albaladejo had 3 earned runs in 14.3 innings last year.. 0.62 whip
yeah hes being dealt to the yankees for clippard.
Jonathan Albaladejo-
14 IP
3 ER
2 BB
12K
.628 WHIP
I don’t know where Brandon got his info, but it said he was coming for the Yankees Clippard. Is he a righy or lefty?
in 14.3 innings his era is 3
Just taking a quick look at Albaladejo’s numbers…. he looked very impressive in 14 games with the Nats ~14 innings 1.88 ERA 1.26 BB/9 .63 WHIP
“Definitely have to give the O’s good pitching in return too, Humber doesn’t count, Pelfry does though.”
Pelfry is not considered good pitching. He could get by with a straight hard fastball in the minors, but his secondary stuff has been exposed in the majors. His stock has really taken a dive.
Pelfry and Humber tanking have killed the Mets.
RHP
If I din’t copy it, I probably couldn’t spell it.
Question…
Who the heck is Bobcat and why do I care what he has to say more than anyone else on this blog?
I don’t understand the fascination. Someone could easily go to a board, pose as an “insider,” and make up a ton of information. Then laugh.
Regardless, how do you give credibility to a comment that could have come from anyone who typed “Bobcat” into the “Name” field.
I’m hoping Santana stays put. Moose, Pettite, and Giambi come off the books – they can use that money to give him a 5-6 year deal and it doesn’t cost them prospects.
Santana, Wang, Joba, Hughes, and Kennedy with Brackman, Betances, and Horne lurking.
A solid rotation – really Santana costs a lot – but the other guys would be cheap – that’s for 2009.
Oofa…
Jonathan Albaladejo:
Height 6′ 5″
Weight 250 lb
StaleBread
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:26 pm
What would a Yankee off season be if they didn’t shock us with another big fat contract. Build up that farm system! Mortgate that new stadium by shipping off all the young moneyball budget players that mold a team chemistry. Keep paying that Luxury Tax, cause afterall we have to have that guy.
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Your rants are about the same as your SN.
“Am I the only person hoping Minnesota holds onto Santana until next year?”
Me too. That would be so ideal. Keep Hughes and Melky and sign Santana as a free agent. Plus it gives us another look to see if Santana is still in top form. Remember he didn’t have his best year in 2007.
1) the santana deal doesn’t mean hughes is safe. this team is still without an ace and they’re going to make a run at haren.
2) as long as boston doesn’t get santana, fine. if the yanks and sox both lose out on santana, that’s fine by me. beckett-santana would have been too much.
3) even with pettitte coming back, the rotation as is isn’t good enough. sorry. we all love homegrown talent. we all love pettitte’s guts. we all love the POTENTIAL of the kids. but guts and potential aren’t enough to win this year. this team needs a certified stopper and wang ain’t it.
so, enjoy watching the kids POSSIBLY blossom. if the yankees really think they’ve got a shot to win with this rotation, they’re delusional. it might net them another playoff spot, but as long as you’ve got to depend on chien-ming wang in game one, you’re toast. last year proved that beyond the shadow of a doubt.
i hope the prospects stay healthy and live up to everyone’s outlandish expectations. if not, there are going to be a lot of people practicing some of that “they should have traded for santana” revisionist history.
He is a righty, 25yo. Did a lot of time all over in AA and AAA.
http://www.rotowire.com/baseba.....tm?id=8125
Rip on the Clippard, Wrights, DeSalvos all you want… let’s put it this way – they’re decent chips to get your a middle reliever come deadline time.
“The Tigers were believed to be willing to part with Andrew Miller as part of a package for Haren, ”
That tells you how ridiculously expensive Haren might get. Are the tigers seriously thinking about giving up Andrew Miller for him?
That is crazy.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns
Clippard might do well in the NL in a big park.
it was getting down to clearing roster spots, so the yankees probably were looking for any trades they could make.
its amazing how far the yankees’ system has come when only a few years ago Clippard was one of their best prospects.
isn’t .62 WHIP really good?
Al-BAL-ah-DEY-ho
I don’t know if I’m stressing it right, but I think that’s how you pronounce it.
It appears to me that most Yankee fans on this blog would rather wait until 2009 for Johan and keep our gems.
This guy’s middle name is Santana. Maybe this is the guy Hank wanted all along!
ALL I COULD FIND ON THE KID:
http://tripleplaysim.com/p1563.html
“so, enjoy watching the kids POSSIBLY blossom. ”
we will.
why is that a bad thing? how f’ing spoiled are yankee fans?
i still think this trade goes through though.
Albaladejo could be a solid reliever but I think Clippard is a bit much to give up for him. Clippard could still end up being a pretty good MLB starter. Maybe not to the Yankees standards but he might have had alot more value in a trade if he had another good year in AAA.
I guess the Yanks scouts like him though and that’s good enough for me
“Weight 250 lb”
overweight relievers are the new market inefficiency. Cashman is brilliant.
it’s not a bad thing watching the kids blossom.
just don’t expect a world series this year. that’s all i’m saying. a lot of yankees fans are acting as though this rotation is fantastic. it’s not going to be. it’s going to be three kids learning on the job.
I believe he is 230 not 250… could be wrong
::shrugs:: maddux glavine and smoltz were 3 kids at one point. No WS rings but they were pretty good…
6′5 230 isnt bad
Rob NY
Santana Joba Kennedy could have been pretty good too…
I do think Hughes projects to be close to Smoltz.
Jonathan Albaladejo…the next Mariano Rivera…
I kid.
lol touchee BD… im not against santana 100%
moving over to the new thread about the new guy
Rob,
I didnt mean it in a bad way…. just saying
“just don’t expect a world series this year. that’s all i’m saying. a lot of yankees fans are acting as though this rotation is fantastic. it’s not going to be. it’s going to be three kids learning on the job.”
not all of us are idiots. i realize there are going to be growing pains.
it’s not like i don’t want santana.
but the yankees offered Hughes.
i just don’t see why they should go any further than that when no one else has even come close.
Awesome trade, clippard did his job and stopped the bleeding one night against the mets but after that wasn’t anything special once people saw what he had. this reliever is REALLY going to be something. the more i read, the more i like….the only reason the nats gave him so cheap was because they are stacked in their pen.
Anyone have a link to this Clippard/Albaladejo deal? I don’t know who Albaladejo is but Clippard wouldn’t cut it for the Yanks, probably not the AL, so I think its a good move for both teams. The pen is easily our biggest need and Clippard will do better in the NL.
Glad to see a boricua in the Yankees system.They are running out.