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Yankees sign Molina, DFA Phillips

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 03, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This press release just came from the Yankees:

The New York Yankees announced today they have signed catcher Jose Molina to a two-year contract. To make room on the 40-man roster, the Yankees designated infielder Andy Phillips for assignment.

Molina, 32, was acquired by the Yankees on July 21, 2007, from the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim in exchange for RHP Jeff Kennard. He hit a combined .257 (49-for-191) with 18R, 13 doubles, 1 HR and 19 RBI in 69 games (53 starts at catcher) with the Angels and Yankees in 2007, throwing out 27.0 percent of attempted base stealers (12-of-43).

In 29 games with the Yankees, Molina batted .318 (21-for-66) with 5 doubles, 1 HR and 9 RBI, hitting safely in 12 of his 16 starts with five multi-hit games. Included was a .355 mark in the month of September (11-for-31), his highest monthly average since July 2002 (.360) with the Angels. He also batted .444 (8-for-18) with runners in scoring position after joining the Yankees.

The Puerto Rico native has appeared in 402 career games over parts or all of eight Major League seasons with the Chicago Cubs, Angels and Yankees. He owns a .243 career batting average (253-for-1,043) with 55 doubles, 16 HR and 107 RBI and has thrown out 37.9 percent of attempted base stealers in his career (91-of-240).

Molina was originally selected by the Cubs in the 14th round of the 1993 First-Year Player Draft. He is one of three Molina brothers currently playing in the Majors (Bengie – San Francisco and Yadier – St. Louis).

Phillips, 30, batted .292 (54-for-185) with 2HR and 25RBI in 61 games with the Yankees in 2007 after joining the club from Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre on June 19. He was originally selected by the Yankees in the seventh round of the 1999 First-Year Player Draft.

 
 

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120 Responses to “Yankees sign Molina, DFA Phillips”

  1. Senor A. Boy December 3rd, 2007 at 6:20 pm

    That really sucks about Phillips.

  2. nate c. December 3rd, 2007 at 6:21 pm

    Too bad. Phillips was a class act. He’ll find a nice home.

  3. Maverick December 3rd, 2007 at 6:21 pm

    I like Phillips but I think its time for him and the Yankees to part ways for good

  4. defense matters December 3rd, 2007 at 6:22 pm

    why not DFA American Idle? last time I checked he wasn’t doing to much!

  5. minnysota December 3rd, 2007 at 6:22 pm

    Phillips signs with the twins..
    ba ba ba!

  6. Dan December 3rd, 2007 at 6:22 pm

    oh man, my girlfriend is going to be upset. she loves andy…

    don’t be surprised to see him end up with the braves. he told me at the start of last season in Scranton that he’s always wanted to play for them

  7. Nick in SF December 3rd, 2007 at 6:23 pm

    This pains me. I just had a marble bust of Andy Philips welded onto my mantlepiece.

  8. Maverick December 3rd, 2007 at 6:24 pm

    Does Molina resigning top the previous exciting news of the day being Elijah Dukes was traded for a player to be named later. He has to feel good about himself, Young was traded for Garza and he can’t even be traded for a name yet

  9. Maverick December 3rd, 2007 at 6:25 pm

    Dan,

    Are you a Scranton fan or do you work for the team there?

  10. Ben December 3rd, 2007 at 6:25 pm

    That sucks. why phillips from all? can someone tell me why pavano is still on the roster?

  11. Aubrey December 3rd, 2007 at 6:25 pm

    damn it

    i loved that andy

  12. Sar 515 December 3rd, 2007 at 6:25 pm

    I don’t get this move???

    He’s their only true first baseman…
    and he’s shown some signs of a good bat.

    Can the Yankees still re-sign him?
    Can others “claim” him?

  13. mike f December 3rd, 2007 at 6:26 pm

    it’s too bad about andy, but it bodes well for shelley getting more at bats

  14. Jimmy December 3rd, 2007 at 6:26 pm

    Good luck Phillips.

    When are they announcing A-Rod and Mariano’s deals?

  15. Jimmy December 3rd, 2007 at 6:26 pm

    Good luck Phillips.

    When are they announcing A-Rod and Mariano’s deals?

  16. JJNJ December 3rd, 2007 at 6:27 pm

    I love Andy. This really sucks.

    So he & Mientkiewicz did well for us, and we don’t bring either back. IMO no one we have left to play first can touch either one of them defensively. Stupid move.

  17. Mike NYY- Save the Big Two December 3rd, 2007 at 6:28 pm

    Phillips seems to be a nice guy and he`ll be missed. Good news about Molina though

  18. mehmattski December 3rd, 2007 at 6:28 pm

    Mavrerick,

    Dukes was traded for 20 year old lefty Glenn Gibson, a very well regarded pitcher. In the long run, Gibson could end up being better than Garza.

    As for Molina/Andy, why was this deal done now, specifically? They could have easily waited until after the Rule V draft to make this announcement, and then sent one of the kids back to the minors. Seems to me that either the Yankees were done with Andy Phillips, or that Molina’s agent started grumbling.

  19. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2007 at 6:28 pm

    Ben
    December 3rd, 2007 at 6:25 pm
    That sucks. why phillips from all? can someone tell me why pavano is still on the roster?

    ____________________________________________________
    The insurance that NYY collects on.

  20. jay destro December 3rd, 2007 at 6:28 pm

    yankees have a few days to trade him or offer him a minor league deal, which if they do he will likely take and hope to have a call up at some point

  21. We Miss Paulie December 3rd, 2007 at 6:28 pm

    Man, that sucks. I really liked Andy.

  22. RussoMcbo78 December 3rd, 2007 at 6:28 pm

    phillips was good..
    any news bout santana??

  23. Maverick December 3rd, 2007 at 6:29 pm

    40 man roster moves?

    Who gets bumped off when ARod, Rivera, Viz sign?

    I could see DeSalvo, Wright, Clippard maybe?

  24. Rebecca--Optimist Prime December 3rd, 2007 at 6:29 pm

    Too bad about Andy, but great to have Jose back

  25. myrtlebeachfan December 3rd, 2007 at 6:30 pm

    December 3rd, 2007 at 6:16 pm

    I don’t want Santana. Isn’t this what Yankee fans wanted to get away from? Didn’t we want a departure from trading away prospects and paying millions and millions for players that ultimately prove to be a bust later on. I know Santana is a whole different animal, but man.. to keep Hughes, Kennedy, and Joba would be fantastic. To have that money (150 mil) to give toward the bullpen or to a first baseman would be wonderful (a CATCHER!). I’m content to go on ahead with what we have, even if it means losing this season. I want to have that sentimental attachment to Kennedy, Hughes, and Joba for years to come. I want to feel the same way about them that I do when Pettitte takes the mound or when Jeter comes through in the clutch. I don’t get that same feeling when Abreu or Damon come through. It doesnt feel the same to me when Mussina throws a good game compared to when Wang throws one.

    I want to see Jackson and Tabata grow and be in the outfield with Melky. I would rather have that kind of connection to the players I root for. I do not want to root for David Wells or David Justice anymore. I’m sick of the random rentals and aging stars. Let’s do this the right way and show the major leagues what our young kids can do. A world series will mean so much more with Hughes on the mound than it will with Santana.

    That said, if we get Santana, I’ll be rooting for him. I just wish we would hold to what we originally had planned last season… keeping our young studs.

  26. Maverick December 3rd, 2007 at 6:30 pm

    meh,

    oh on espn they just said a player to be named later. thought it was funny. i thought he had some talent and to be had for cheap would have been a great deal

  27. Mike NYY- Save the Big Two December 3rd, 2007 at 6:30 pm

    Seeing Phillips go was probably the smart thing to do (Pavano should be released to obviously). They have Miranda, Duncan, and Betemit to play first. To be honest Phillips really had no power or disciplince.

  28. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2007 at 6:30 pm

    Jimmy
    December 3rd, 2007 at 6:26 pm
    Good luck Phillips.

    When are they announcing A-Rod and Mariano’s deals?

    _____________________________________________________
    As soon as spots open up on the 40 man roster. This was done to colect the insurance on Pavano.

  29. Maverick December 3rd, 2007 at 6:31 pm

    If Pavano goes then the Yanks can’t collect the 11mil on insurance, thats why he is still there

  30. Dan December 3rd, 2007 at 6:31 pm

    Mav,

    I am a Scranton fan, but I write for Pinstripes Plus, and go to the University of Scranton. With a little luck, I’ll be interning with the Times-Tribune next semester as well.

  31. Ben December 3rd, 2007 at 6:32 pm

    I hope this Andy will resign just as the other Andy.

  32. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2007 at 6:32 pm

    jay destro
    December 3rd, 2007 at 6:28 pm
    yankees have a few days to trade him or offer him a minor league deal, which if they do he will likely take and hope to have a call up at some point

    _____________________________________________________
    Yep. They’ve got 10 days to trade or sell him. After that, he’s a free agent.

  33. Mitchell's Eleven December 3rd, 2007 at 6:32 pm

    Andy can always come back on a minor league deal, everyone. We’ve also been complaining about the logjam at first base for ages. Something was going to give.

    That being said, Andy’s a gamer who I hope finds a way back into pinstripes next year. He’s the kind of guy whose name you’ll hear come playoff time as much as anyone else’s.

  34. Doreen December 3rd, 2007 at 6:33 pm

    I’ll miss Andy Phillips. One Andy back; one Andy gone. He was a classy guy, worked hard, looked like a good teammate.

  35. Phil December 3rd, 2007 at 6:36 pm

    Andy Phillips is a great organization man and will probably sign with Scranton after he passes through waivers. I think he’ll always have a job with the Yankees.

  36. CB December 3rd, 2007 at 6:37 pm

    This was the best thing for Phillips. He has a much better chance of getting playing time with another team. I’m sure he wants to give it shot once and for all to see if he can make a career.

    I think they will DFA Pavano. The roster spot is more valuable to them then the insurance money, IMO. They’ve worked so hard and spent so much money on player development it would be a shame to lose someone over Pavano.

    DeSalvo, Sardinha and TJ beam may have to go.

    Its unfortunate that they gave Brackman and Juan Miranda major league deals. Wastes two roster spots.

  37. Phil December 3rd, 2007 at 6:39 pm

    Phillips would be a nice fit in the NL with the double-switches. He can play a few positions and is a good clubhouse guy.

  38. jk December 3rd, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    Another Torre pet is gone.

  39. Mister Delaware December 3rd, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    Bruney is probably a pretty strong candidate to be dropped as well.

  40. Maverick December 3rd, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    CB,

    Do you see giving first round picks a roster spot a way of the future? I have a feeling all agents will try to do that from now on.

  41. bphill December 3rd, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    andy is a great guy. now lets get some Johan talk I need some more rumors.

  42. Jaewon December 3rd, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    For all my ranting about Andy Phillips amazingness on thanksgiving, I apologize. He will be missed, he was a good player, but was clearly not what a depicted him as. My apologies.

    (Welcome back Molina!)

  43. argh December 3rd, 2007 at 6:41 pm

    beckett is signed for 08, 09, and 2010.

    you put johan and beckett on a team together for 3 years..

    spells trouble in yankee land

  44. Christine December 3rd, 2007 at 6:41 pm

    Too bad for Andy, I like him. And after the bad year he had personally last year. He sounded like such a nice kid, especially when he was on Michael Kay (I think that was the show) last week talking about the charity event.

    I wish him well.

  45. ThatWasMe December 3rd, 2007 at 6:42 pm

    Maybe Josh Phelps is returning.

  46. S.o.S.27 December 3rd, 2007 at 6:43 pm

    Any chance that Miranda gets a shot in spring training to start in the bigs similar to Phelps last year? I dont want to see Giambi at first. If we are stuck with him for one more year,lets get all we can from his bat not his glove. No need to have him get hurt moving around out there.

  47. Mike NYY- Save the Big Two December 3rd, 2007 at 6:43 pm

    you put johan and beckett on a team together for 3 years..

    Not a great offense though

    Manny’s gone in 2009 (I think)

    Ortiz will decline

    Ellsbury would be gone

    Nothing else sepcial

  48. Carmine December 3rd, 2007 at 6:43 pm

    I’m sure Andy will find a home. If not with another team, then he’ll definitely be offered a minor league contract with the Yankees. While not the best hitter, he’s a useful guy to have around.

  49. CB December 3rd, 2007 at 6:45 pm

    Maverick,

    I don’t but it depends on how many talented Boras clients they draft.

    Giving draftees a major league contract is really only something the first pick in the draft and Boras clients wind up getting. Its one of boras’s weird ways of working.

    Unfortunately, because so many Boras guys fall in the draft due to signability the yankees will likely draft a disproportionate number of Boras guys. This issue of major league contracts will continue.

    That’s why i wasn’t real thrilled they gave one to brackman with his bum elbow. It’s a wast of a spot for the entire year – I think they can put him on the 60 day DL but that’s complicated by issues related to the minor leagues or insurance money or something like that as i remember.

  50. Wolf In Pinstripes December 3rd, 2007 at 6:46 pm

    “Bruney is probably a pretty strong candidate to be dropped as well.”

    Agreed. Don’t forget Sean Henn as well. I can’t see any reason why the team would give him any more chances at this point.

  51. S.o.S.27 December 3rd, 2007 at 6:46 pm

    If Andy doesnt find a job maybe Bubba Crosby can hook him up with a job at Circuit City.(bubba-C.C. posted earlier)
    I wonder if he would be o.k. with Bubba being his shift leader?

  52. argh December 3rd, 2007 at 6:46 pm

    Mike NYY

    yea.. same can be said for the yanks lineup

    jeter is getting older
    damon isnt damon
    posada is getting older

    yanks have old pitching with pettite/mussina/rivera

    sox have young studs in their bullpen and still got dice k and probably lester/ bucholtz

    yanks need johan.

  53. CB December 3rd, 2007 at 6:48 pm

    “jeter is getting older
    damon isnt damon
    posada is getting older”

    This is why they have to hold the line and not throw in Jackson (or Horne)

    Don’t bring up your own you keep getting older at the major league level.

  54. Maverick December 3rd, 2007 at 6:49 pm

    If we didn’t sign ARod the Red Sox offense would have looked like the 27 Yankees compared to us

  55. S.o.S.27 December 3rd, 2007 at 6:50 pm

    I cant see them giving up on Bruney just yet. Someone that has life in his fastball,I would think they would try to fix first before letting him go. Remember he didnt do bad the year before. Maybe hes salvagable like Farns.

  56. Drive 4-5 December 3rd, 2007 at 6:51 pm

    Best of luck to Andy Philips. He’s been through a lot personally and handles it with class. He deserves to be a Yankee, but not much has gone his way the last few years.

  57. Richard C December 3rd, 2007 at 6:51 pm

    What is the story with the insurance policy on Pavano??? I didn’t know that baseball players could be insured. Is this a common practice? Or something they just did with Pavano!!?? Ha Ha. How much money are the yankees getting?

  58. Manny Sucks December 3rd, 2007 at 6:53 pm

    I was so happy for Andy that he started 2007 on the Major League roster. He seems like a great guy. Best of luck to him in the future (even if he leaves our organization).

  59. CB December 3rd, 2007 at 6:54 pm

    Richard C,

    All professional athlete are insured. The insurance is picking up most of the tab on Pavano i think.

    The contracts for insurance are getting more and more expensive as the size of the deals.

    For Santana’s expected contract – 7 yrs $150 million they estimate that the insurance policy alone will be around $15-20 million.

  60. Maverick December 3rd, 2007 at 6:54 pm

    Its pretty common in baseball and outside such as college athletes who return to school or sometimes players take them out if they are about to hit free agency(Tony Romo did it before he signed his deal)

  61. mel December 3rd, 2007 at 6:54 pm

    Bruney’s a nut. Take a page out of Tampa Bay’s book. They’re getting rid of the problem guys.

  62. whozat December 3rd, 2007 at 6:54 pm

    “Any chance that Miranda gets a shot in spring training to start in the bigs similar to Phelps last year? I dont want to see Giambi at first. If we are stuck with him for one more year,lets get all we can from his bat not his glove. No need to have him get hurt moving around out there.”

    He’s another lefty, with TERRIBLE numbers against lefties. I suspect they’ll decide in ST if he should go to AA or AAA. I figure he’ll start in AA and they’ll be willing to move him up to AAA quick if he hits well.

    Personally, I’d like to work a deal with the Pirates for Damaso Marte and Xavier Nady, for the pen and 1B/OF. Nady puts up an .800 OPS every year, plays a solid 1B/RF/LF and can play CF in a pinch.

  63. argh December 3rd, 2007 at 6:55 pm

    i agree the yanks gotta bring up young players.
    i get that..

    my issue is that alot of the yankee fans dont think johan is that great..
    they dont think johan is worth a hughes/melky and another top prospect.

    well being a new york fan…
    i think that a trade for Johan.. will by far out distance some of the signings we have done in past years..
    i mean. signing clemens was the most idiotic move we could make.. 45 year old man with nothing left in the tank.. yet we think he will win us a championship?
    throwing money at damon/giambi and players like that.. its absurd..
    the yanks have always won with pitching. EVERY TEAM WINS WITH PITCHING.. and the yanks goals are to WIN NOW. thats always their goal!

    yankee fans cannot tell me that the Yanks have a better pitching staff then the Sox do.. WE DONT. and them getting a 2 time cy young winner does not Improve out case..

    Im happy we are grooming young talent..
    but if the Sox offer up Ellsbury/lester or ellsbury/bucholtz it would really put the Yanks in a Box.
    Cuz the yanks are then the team that has to go all in for johan.. or we will be dealing with a beckett/johan rotation for years to come..

    and joba is great.. but he wont be a top line starter… he to big and wont have the stamina to throw 95-100 for 5, 6 innings.. he is best suited for a closer..
    hughes will be good.. and so will kennedy and so on

    but with the yankee rotation the way it is now.
    WE WILL NOT WIN #27 this year!

  64. THU December 3rd, 2007 at 6:55 pm

    Man I was really pulling for Phillips to get a job, even if it was on the bench. Good luck to him. Wish him all the best of luck.

  65. Marcy December 3rd, 2007 at 6:56 pm

    Convenient timing – Andy and his wife were the hosts for the Yankees yesterday on Madison Ave; I guess it was convenient for them to fly them in. I have to think that Cashman has a plan that we aren’t seeing. I’d like to think Hank and all of his talking is part of that plan. How naive am I?
    Good Luck, Andy.

  66. gayle December 3rd, 2007 at 6:56 pm

    Rihard anyone can be insured but it is my understanding that very few teams do it as it is VERY VERY expensive (the premiums that is). I would imagine that if he is not on the team the insurance wont pay for the $$ the yankees have to pay him.

    Somewhat suprised by the Phillips move he was a darn good defensive first baseman for late inning replacement. hmmm

  67. Marc December 3rd, 2007 at 6:56 pm

    I really like the re-signing of Molina. It’s nice to have a competent backup 1st basemen to let posada keep his legs rested.

  68. nate c. December 3rd, 2007 at 6:57 pm

    baseball is so weird. one day, a guy accepts a 16mm option on his own terms. another really nice guy gets kicked to the curb. both nice guys. both named andy.

  69. Rey22 December 3rd, 2007 at 6:58 pm

    Wow, poor guy just can’t catch a break.
    Meh, good luck Andy.

  70. Mister Delaware December 3rd, 2007 at 6:58 pm

    Dude, Joba is too big? Did you not see the AL Cy Young this season? Size is hardly prohibitive; the opposite in many cases.

  71. VTyankee fan December 3rd, 2007 at 7:02 pm

    Pavano keeps on screwing the Yankees.

  72. Richard C December 3rd, 2007 at 7:02 pm

    CB.

    Thank you.

  73. mel allen December 3rd, 2007 at 7:03 pm

    Hello there everybody!

  74. whozat December 3rd, 2007 at 7:03 pm

    “sox have young studs in their bullpen and still got dice k and probably lester/ bucholtz”

    Matsuzaka and Lester have control issues and walk a lot of guys. They lose to patient teams…like the Yanks.

    Buchholz may be excellent. The Yanks have two pitchers rated higher than him, and a third that’s better than Lester. And they’re all starters.

    With Andy back, the Yanks would be fine keeping the three young’uns, I think. They beat the Sox head to head last season, and if the offense stops beating itself in the post season (Sabathia was BAD…they really should have hit him) they’ll be fine next year.

  75. mel allen December 3rd, 2007 at 7:04 pm

    Could be the Yanks have plans for 1B with the release of Andy?

  76. CB December 3rd, 2007 at 7:05 pm

    “and joba is great.. but he wont be a top line starter… he to big and wont have the stamina to throw 95-100 for 5, 6 innings.. he is best suited for a closer..
    hughes will be good.. and so will kennedy and so on”

    Not true at all. Joba was throwing in the high 90′s very late into his starts in the minors.

    He has no trouble with stamina at all. He’s got Justin Verlander like stamina.

    You don’t waste that in the pen.

    IMO if he stays healthy he not only has a chance to be an ace but the best pitcher in baseball.

    No other young pitcher that I know of has his combination of velocity, command, secondary pitches and maturity.

    Justin Verlander, King Felix, Tim Lincecum… none of them has Joba’s combination of talents.

  77. kunaldo December 3rd, 2007 at 7:06 pm

    argh, that’s what i’ve been saying(dont agree necessarily w/ joba being too big though)….we need santana in the worst way, and as great as hughes MAY(keyword) be, theres a VERY good chance he WONT be santana…history has proven that

    oh please let this chaos end tonight with #57 jerseys going on sale on yankees.com

  78. ET2012 December 3rd, 2007 at 7:06 pm

    Everyone by now knows that the Sox are not going to sign Santana. It would create a miriad of internal financial problems for them, and they don’t want that. They are it mostly to drive the price up for the Yanks.

    With Andy now back, Stein should just pull the plug on the deal and wait till next year. Chances are Johan will become a FA in 08. Yanks keep Melky in center & Phil stays in the rotation and becomes a #1 starter.

    I like the Yanks chances with Andy back. Just make a couple of smart trades for a decent RP using Farns, Kei and some other pieces.

  79. gayle December 3rd, 2007 at 7:07 pm

    Here is my strange question of the day. I just saw that the Braves did NOT offer Andruw Jones arbitration. My simple question why> I would imagine that he would be a Type A free agent so at the very least they would get a draft picvk from the team that ends up signin him. Am I wrong on this??

  80. mel allen December 3rd, 2007 at 7:07 pm

    whozat,

    How about melky,kennedy for marte and nady? Too much?

  81. Mister Delaware December 3rd, 2007 at 7:08 pm

    Way too much, Mr. Allen.

  82. RosterRooster December 3rd, 2007 at 7:08 pm

    When I Went to bed last night, there was 1 player named Andy on the Yankees. Now…There is One. Good Luck AP.

  83. whozat December 3rd, 2007 at 7:09 pm

    “he to big and wont have the stamina to throw 95-100 for 5, 6 innings”

    95 and 100 are WAY different. He won’t be throwing 98 for 7 innings…but he’ll be throwing 95 for 7 innings. With the 98-100 there when he really needs it. And that devastating slider, and his plus curve.

    If Joba does his conditioning and remains healthy, he’s the real deal. So is Hughes, with his plus control, plus FB and GORGEOUS curveball.

    In four years, I think Hughes will be better than Santana, at that point. If the Yanks have won a series before then, it’s a good trade. If they haven’t, it’s bad.

  84. mel allen December 3rd, 2007 at 7:09 pm

    seems like the consensus is to keep hughes and kennedy,,forget santana

  85. Eric December 3rd, 2007 at 7:10 pm

    if you’re looking for more reasons to hate pavano… if phil hughes gets traded for santana, it’s partially pavano’s fault. if pavano didn’t get hurt and hughes didn’t have to come up early (he was supposed to stay in the minors in 2007), he wouldn’t have had to pitch most of the season recovering from a leg injury. his value probably wouldn’t have fallen any, and he’d still be labeled as untouchable.

  86. yankee21 December 3rd, 2007 at 7:11 pm

    Can’t underestimate the value of a solid back-up catcher,,this signing will pay dividends big time.

    Tough break for AF. But right business move for NYY.

  87. red barber December 3rd, 2007 at 7:11 pm

    How are things in the catbird seat!

  88. Lauren December 3rd, 2007 at 7:11 pm

    > why did they let the two best fielding 1B men we have go? (meintkewicz and phillips)

    > will cashman get to do anything on his own ever again? looks like Hank is totally calling the shots right now.

    > there had better be some resolution to santana matter in the next 24 hours. gotta ask, does anyone really believe that hank will pull the offer after today? after the arod flip-flop, i would be shocked if he did. he must be loving pettitte for announcing this morning — which imo, is the greatest new for us this so far this offseason, i really expected him to walk and couldn’t be happier.

    save the kids, you have pettitte back, give hughes a chance!

    good luck peter – have a good week.

  89. nathan December 3rd, 2007 at 7:12 pm

    Am in a thin minority when i think that this ARod deal is disgusting…

    afterall the postering they cudnt “low-ball” him in the 200 mill range?

    he might endup with 314 mill… and whats this nonsense with 30 mill for milestone HRs.. sick..

    this offseason.. i feel sick to my stomach.. if they top this off by trading Hughes n Melky .. i am gonna cry for the next 2 days..

    Santana is getting worser ppl… he is Kevin Brown n randy J.. dont be fooled by age 29..

  90. red barber December 3rd, 2007 at 7:13 pm

    guess nobody has heard of me or mel…oh well

  91. red barber December 3rd, 2007 at 7:14 pm

    must be getting old

  92. CaptainsCorner December 3rd, 2007 at 7:14 pm

    With the releasing of Phillips could the Yanks be looking at or trading for Nady? I really liked him when he was with the Mets he would be a really good pick up. The Pirates are either going to trade or release him. Just a possibility..

  93. LathamJoe December 3rd, 2007 at 7:15 pm

    The fact that Hughes is being offered in a trade is a testimony to the emergence of Joba Chamberlain, rather than Brittle Butt Pavano.

  94. Mister Delaware December 3rd, 2007 at 7:16 pm

    Mariners are shopping Sexson, probably cheap. Hmmm …

  95. red barber December 3rd, 2007 at 7:16 pm

    Could nady play an everyday 1B?

  96. red barber December 3rd, 2007 at 7:17 pm

    Feels like the calm before the storm in here.

  97. argh December 3rd, 2007 at 7:18 pm

    funny how im a yankee fan and after you guys read my post half of you tell me how joba will be fine throwing 6 7 innings
    a couple of you tell me that the yanks beat the sox in the season series (which by all means is just great.. hell, give us a ring for that!)
    and a couple comment on how bad the control issues are for lester and Dice K

    ok, If your going to hang your hat on the Yanks beating the Sox in the Season series.. then you obviously dont get the point of being a Yankee Fan.. ITS TO WIN THE WORLD SERIES

    If your one of the people who told me that Lester and Dice K have control issues.. You need to keep in mind that the yanks pitchers are young, will have control issues, and EVERY FAN THINKS THEIR TEAM HAS THE BEST FARM SYSTEM.. so dont try pulling that..

    are we really them kind of fans??

    Do we not see the importance of Johan santana?

    If we have guys like horne, kennedy, karstens,
    hell, we have enough young pitchers.. The sox have young pitchers..

    We are talking about a 2 time Cy young winner…

    Gotta Go Get Him!

  98. whozat December 3rd, 2007 at 7:19 pm

    “How about melky,kennedy for marte and nady? Too much?”

    Definitely too much.

    Starting CFer and MLB-ready starter with 6 years until FA for a 7th inning guy and a 1B/OF the Pirates don’t need?

    I don’t know what the Pirates need. Though, if they need a “veteran with closing experience”, I’d gladly pay Kyle to play for them:-)

    Do they need a 2B or 3B? I’d consider Betemit in play. Gardner, if they feel good about him.

    And, young pitching…Not Horne or anyone higher than him, but guys like Clippard would certainly be on the table. And higher ceiling guys that are at lower levels, like Marquez.

  99. argh December 3rd, 2007 at 7:20 pm

    cant wait to see clemens name on the Mitchell Report.

    thats going to be fun listening to him explain that

  100. CB December 3rd, 2007 at 7:21 pm

    “95 and 100 are WAY different. He won’t be throwing 98 for 7 innings…”

    Not true. Joba has been clocked at 97-98 in the seventh innings of games in the minors this year. That’s where he sits. He’s not just “touching” that speed. He’s sitting there.

    He has a special arm. Not many people can do that.

  101. whozat December 3rd, 2007 at 7:22 pm

    “If your one of the people who told me that Lester and Dice K have control issues.. You need to keep in mind that the yanks pitchers are young, will have control issues”

    The difference is that Lester has ALWAYS had control issues. He’s ALWAYS walked a lot of guys. Hughes and Kennedy have explicitly NOT had that problem.

    Matsuzaka is also several years older and thus much further along in his development than a Kennedy…so he is what he is. He’s probably not going to get better in that sense.

  102. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! December 3rd, 2007 at 7:22 pm

    :cry: Good luck Andy!! I hope he latches on with another team. That man was a class act.

  103. rocket December 3rd, 2007 at 7:23 pm

    i will be baaack

  104. whozat December 3rd, 2007 at 7:23 pm

    “Not true. Joba has been clocked at 97-98 in the seventh innings of games in the minors this year. That’s where he sits. He’s not just “touching” that speed. He’s sitting there.”

    Ok…but those seasons are shorter. I don’t know if he’d be able to do that for 180 to 200 innings. If so…more power to him.

  105. argh December 3rd, 2007 at 7:24 pm

    whozat

    and mussina is old, he accomplishes us nothing
    pettite will miss starts cuz he is old..
    so will schilling

    we have no bullpen..
    santana helps cuz he is 5+ innings night in and night out..

    dice K is older.. well we have igawa..
    i dont even want to get into that..

  106. argh December 3rd, 2007 at 7:26 pm

    Right now i can just picture the twins Gm..
    probably just sittin there..

    “Sit and Spin Mr Steinbrenner.. Just Sit and Spin”

    what a joke of an organization we have right now

  107. Big Apple Salute December 3rd, 2007 at 7:31 pm

    They’ll always be a place in baseball for an Andy Phillips. He would have been in a logjam similar to last spring. Andy would still be a Yankee if not for Giambi’s huge contract.

  108. VOIII December 3rd, 2007 at 7:31 pm

    Some of you guys have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the Yankees Prospects…Joba’s stamina will be fine he won’t pitch 8 innings every game but he won’t bail out after 5 either. Tyler Clippard DFA’d Geez!!! the kid is still a quality prospect and still very young…If Torre didn’t jerk him around he may have stuck with the team. He has got some confidence problems right now but he’ll be okay. Is he an Ace? hell no! But he may be a solid major league starter at the back end of the rotation or maybe even a #3 in the NL…

    Everytime some big name is put on the block you guys want to empty the stable…

    Check out some of the prospect sites like:
    Pending Pinstripes, River Ave Blues, Pinstripes Plus, College Baseball Blog,First Inning,Keith Law ,Minor League Splits ,Minor Yankee Blog ,Project Prospect, SW-B Yankees Blog ,Top Prospect Alert ,Yankee Prospects. Before selling the kids, know what you are selling….

  109. kunaldo December 3rd, 2007 at 7:33 pm

    i dont understand bill smith

    the yankees want to get an ace starter this winter…so, they dont want to wait around for santana if nothing is guaranteed to happen, especially when they could be spending their time going after bedard or haren…so, i feel like this “deadline” set by hank is kind of like a point where the yanks can’t guarantee that they won’t deal some of their prospects for another pitcher instead, thereby leaving the twins to deal with probably only the red sox, and of course, that means, NO LEVERAGE…so the red sox will totally low ball the deal(b/c they dont even want in anyways), and the twins will have to stick w/ santana for the rest of the season and then take the draft picks

    meanwhile they could have had an MLB ready starter and CF(the first of which is best pitching prospect in baseball)

    yeah, holding out seems like a reallllllll good idea there, billy

  110. Rey22 December 3rd, 2007 at 7:37 pm

    Somehow, I have a bad feeling the Twins will just make Santana harder to get simply out of spite against Hank and his public commentaries. =/

  111. kunaldo December 3rd, 2007 at 7:38 pm

    VOIII, you have to understand that you can’t think that even more than half of your prospects will pan out…it just doesnt happen, whatever their skillset may be…(dont get me wrong, i will be super upset about hughes leaving, b/c i’ve followed him since day one, and have been waiting his rise to greatness…but who knows what will happen…guys who look at his mechanics say he will have shoulder problems…but what i do know is that a 2 time cy young winner(should have been 3 for sure) will be anchoring our staff, and he’s 29, so he’s not RJ, clemens, brown, or whoever…he’s a bonafide number 1 still…and he’s been starting full time for 4 years! so his innings log isnt as much as people make it out to be…

  112. dadofjft December 3rd, 2007 at 7:38 pm

    Sorry to hear about Andy. The jft I’m the dad of will not be happy. But he’s just the first to go. I’m sure TJ Beam, Matt DeSalvo & Bronson Sardinha aren’t making firm plans to spend spring training in Tampa. And I would expect Bruney to be non-tendered. Why go to arbitration with him when we’ve got several more just as good if not better?

  113. A-Point December 3rd, 2007 at 7:42 pm

    argh, come on, the sky isn’t falling. Are you sure you are a Yankees fan? Or are you just really young?

    Stop and think for a few minutes. First, the Yankees had a terrible start to the year, no Hughes for the most part of it, no Chamberlain, no Kennedy. The Yankees started the season with such gems as Pavano and Igawa for Pete’s sake. Yet they came within two games of the division after being thought dead in May.

    Would Johan be a good addition to the rotation? Absolutely. However there is a big cost in prospects AND the way Santana wants it is to tear up his old contract and have a fresh contract so its like giving up the players AND signing a FA all in one sweep.

    If the Twins take the deal, fine. If they don’t I don’t see the problem with that either.

    Beckett didn’t dominate the Yankees, even though he was good. That was their “ace”. Dicey K is not going to improve from where he was. The more he has been seen the more he was hit. (The RS see this too, don’t kid yourself) Schilling? He didn’t do that great against the Yankees and he will probably have more health issues this coming season. Wakefield? Buchholz? I don’t think the Yankee line up will do terrible against them.

    If the Sox take the plunge and get Santana, guess what, his ERA will go up a decent amount because of pitching half his games in Fenway which is historically tough on Lefties. (Again, the RS know this as well)

    The Twins will either make the deal or they will take a lesser offer or hold on to Santana.

    With the talk about his no waiving his NTC during the season or his preference of playing on the East Coast having been out there I bet the Twins had a talking to him and so he came out – through his agent – and said that wasn’t true. I don’t buy it.

    If the Twins don’t get something good for Santana the fans will be even more ticked off than they are now. Many of those fans are hoping for Hughes and Melky, even though they like Ellsbury, a lot of them as realizing that Hughes is the star deal.

    Just relax a bit.

  114. VOIII December 3rd, 2007 at 7:45 pm

    Kunaldo,
    Eiland and Contreras changed Hughes Arm slot easing the the strain on his shoulder…It’s one of the reasons his velocity was down. As he got used to the new slot and got healthy his velocity started to climb. I would love to acquire Santana. However I am not willing to surrender the future of the franchise. As good as Santana is he is no lock to win a Cy Young award, and is no lock to stay healthy.

  115. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2007 at 7:49 pm

    Somehow, with 3 1st baseman and two others that can play there, I’m not sure 1st base is them main priority. Nady is no defensive upgrade at 1st, is too expensive. The only way it would make sense is in salary dump in a deal centered around Marte. NYY takes on the contract for very little and moves him to another team in a package.

  116. VOIII December 3rd, 2007 at 7:52 pm

    Kunaldo,
    Also on the 1/2 of the prospects panning out thing…You actual help me make my point. The more prospects you have, i.e. don’t trade away the better the odds are that you will actually reap the rewards of a well stocked farm system. The Yankees are doing better than avg with their recent promotions, are they not? Robi Cano was not supposed to be anywhere near this good by anyone’s projection and was refused by the Rangers in the Arod deal.

  117. kunaldo December 3rd, 2007 at 7:54 pm

    VOIII, check this link out:

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....mechanics/

    there are links in there to previous evaluations as well, but the basic premise is that his “new” mechanics(from eiland and contreras) have possibly changed him for the worse…he’ll still be a good pitcher, but the mechanics he had in 06 were better

    of course, i’m no expert, but these guys are, and the stuff they say seems to make sense….

  118. GreenBeret7 December 3rd, 2007 at 7:57 pm

    Rey, even Bill Smith, who’s job could depend upon this deal, is not going to try and spite anybody by taking the lesser of two deals. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see a halt in negotiations for the time being and see it start up after Christmas. They have until spring training to do something.

  119. kunaldo December 3rd, 2007 at 7:59 pm

    VOIII, also, i am in no way saying we sell the farm for great players..but lets be serious here, this is the yankees…player development is certainly important, but takes a backseat to winning now(especially when you have vets that arent getting any younger…sure hughes could be great in a while, but then we’ll have to figure out SS, C, CL, among many other things)

    hey, they’re keeping joba, kennedy, horne, Ajax….you CANT KEEP EVERYBODY….you develop a good farm system not only to have cheap productive players of your own, but to also have chips to deal in trades(and when you have a LOT of chips, you dont feel so bad when you have to deal a few of them away for something great)

  120. RockinDaBronx December 3rd, 2007 at 9:33 pm

    another clueless move by the balding dwarf.


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