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Brian Cashman will meet with the media after all, in 20 minutes. Don’t expect any fireworks but we’ll be back with a report.
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awesome!
i hope he has news of a trade and not just his usual doubletalk
i hope he has news of “no trade”
I hope I’ve left work by then.
In addition to Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller and Mike Rabelo, the Marlins will get three right-handers in the Miguel Cabrera-Dontrelle Willis trade: Dallas Trahern, Eulogio De La Cruz and Burke Badenhop.
Excluding Rick Porcello, who was ineligible to be traded, Trahern and De La Cruz were the Tigers’ top remaining pitching prospects. Trahern is a future middle-of-the-rotation starter, while De La Cruz profiles as a setup man or maybe a closer. Badenhop, like Trahern, is a sinkerballer with a modest strikeout rate. He has a chance to stick as a starter, but he’s not quite as good of a bet.
Exciting…not like Cash will say anything too newsworthy I’m thinking. Never know though, but I’d be really surprised.
Lol…maybe he’ll acknowledge that the Yankees are interested in signed A-Rod, Petitte, and Rivera…and that’s only if he gives away more info than usual!
Ah a fresh start…..
Damaso Marte would be a nice option as a lefty.
I’m surprised the Sox missed out on Cabrera/Willis. Probably could have had them both for Julio Lugo. Then again, now they’ll probably get Haren for a Lugo/Drew package. (I’m kidding, of course, althou the way the Sox get away with highway robbery these days, nothing would surprise me anymore.)
News from Brian Cashman!!!! in a massive turnaround the yankees have decided to deal with Alex Rodriguez and offer him an enormous mega deal!!
This is a bad omen. I have a sneaking suspicion he’s coming out to justify why the Yankees have withdrawn from the Santana discussions and have surrendered him to Boston.
He must have something to say, he had said that he would not be meeting with the media tonight.
Likely to say that the Yankees are disappointed, but they are officially out of the Santana talks. Confirming what Hank said, because that’s HIS JOB. lol.
IF Cashman won’t admit they signed ARod yet or Pettitte why would he tell the media anything about a trade.
Maverick,
Because Cash-God works in mysterious ways.
why did Cashman even bother going to Nashville????
Again, it just seems clear to me that Minny never really wanted to do a trade with NYY. The Yankees could have offered ARod and been turned down. (Of course I exaggerate, but…)
I don’t expect Cash to say anything substantial. He’s certainly not going to tip his hand if any other deal is in the works.
When will the rest of MLB wake up to the fact the Boston is not the little engine that could?
“When will the rest of MLB wake up to the fact the Boston is not the little engine that could?”
Doreen – I’ve been asking that same question for a few years now. It’s very hard to comprehend, isn’t it?
I would love to hear news of a trade or signing of a reliver, Marte specifically.
I feel the dark clouds beginning to gather. Poor Brian will be forced to justify Hank’s decision to include Chamberlain with Hughes in the offer for Santana, repeating that Hank told him that “Johan satisfied me that he really wanted to be a Yankee.”
on mvn.com other bloggers are ripping the yanks fans here:
# Michael Edelman says:
December 4th, 2007 at 4:33 pm
Check out the the LoHud blog and Bronx Block. The fans they’re are ridiculously bitter and a deal hasn’t even been made yet. They’re saying this is collusion and Selig should veto it because it’s not in the best interests of baseball. Then they’re going on and on about how the Yankees young players are leaps and bounds better than that of the Red Sox. Hey, it’s not the Red Sox fault the Twins want a starter who’s never pitched in Triple-A, a well below average centerfielder and a Single-A prospect in return for Johan Santana.
The 2008 Yankees bear a striking resemblance to the 2007 Yankees, the 2006 Yankees, the 2005 Yankees and the 2004 Yankees. The difference is the young pitchers are starting to make an impact. I hope it continues and I hope the young position players like Jackson and Tabata follow right behind. This team needs a jolt.
Man, the Tigers totally sold the farm. Maybin looks like the goods as a 20 year old. Miller is supposed to be the real deal too. The Marlins are amazing at restocking their team. Too bad they never keep anyone.
With Cabrera gone, I think the Angels might trade for Santana now.
He’s going to announce Jonathan Albaladejo deal is official!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12.....ref=sports
Hank explains how we’re gonna be doing business.
I seriously hope the Minnesota Twins understand the severity of the effects this will all incur on their future.
Great point Doreen!
Twins werent going to trade with the Yankees….There package was so much better then the Redsux’ unless they included an Ellsbury and Lester…which they are not doing…so Hughes,Cabrera is a good starting point.
I could care less on what Michael Edelman says and his opinions on these and other matters
The guys a retard. If he thinks the Sox package is worthy, he’s a moron. On EEI, and on Sports Tonight, every single Boston sportscaster, and media guy, has said this is a steal, or as one put it “highway robbery”. So please, someone go into mvn and tell that tardo he’s a dope!
Ah, now I feel better. 80)
What the Tigers gave up for Cabrera/Willis is the way “blockbuster” trades are supposed to work. Again, though, the Red Sox seemingly don’t have to function on the same plane as everyone else.
“With Cabrera gone, I think the Angels might trade for Santana now.”
Yup.
I say Jered Weaver rhsp + Joe Saunders lhsp + Reggie Willits cf + Eric Aybar ss.
Words from Hank:
Steinbrenner added that keeping up with the Red Sox was not enough of a reason to strip the Yankees’ farm system.
“Maybe Boston isn’t at that point, because they obviously worry about what we do, and I don’t blame them,†Steinbrenner said. “Of course we’re always concerned about them, but at the same time, I can’t let that affect what we do. I can’t help what Boston does and what Minnesota does.â€
Man is he just a bit, I don’t know, arrogant? I can’t decide whether to love this or hate it.
I hope somebody asks sleepy Cashman how it feels to watch the 2008 season pass his team by.
I can’t wait for the first signs in the spring that Hughes still hasn’t gotten his fastball back. The odds of him ever turning into a Santana quality guy are very long indeed.
“Maybe Boston isn’t at that point, because they obviously worry about what we do, and I don’t blame them,†Steinbrenner said. “Of course we’re always concerned about them, but at the same time, I can’t let that affect what we do. I can’t help what Boston does and what Minnesota does.â€
Very much agree.
It’s time to circle the wagons, guys, the Yankees are on their own. Nobody’s going to help the Yankees, so they’ll just have to catch their fish in the open market and build from within.
Its gotta be a FT. Myers thing
They both train there…and Johna is building a house there as well……Wake up Arte Moreno!!!!
Chicago Dave -
It’s mind-boggling. I mean, the Cubs? Sure. The Red Sox – no way!
Yankees add IPK to the trade, Santana coming to the Yankees looks real now…
From Hank… “Maybe Boston isn’t at that point, because they obviously worry about what we do, and I don’t blame them,†Steinbrenner said. “Of course we’re always concerned about them, but at the same time, I can’t let that affect what we do. I can’t help what Boston does and what Minnesota does.â€
That echos my feelings on all this. I think the RS are worried about the Yankees far too much.
Vito,
link?
theyanksarescrewed,
Indeed we are man, without Santana in our lineup I think we can pretty much forfeit our season…
Phil,, thanks for the link. I have no problem with Hank, he strikes me as a stand-up guy.
lol i think the red sox wanna add the best LHP in baseball… regardless of what the yankees wanna do
wow I did not know all the scholars here know the boston trade for santana..
man maybe yur brain surgeons should tell espn the details!!!!!!!!!
I am not bitter, the twinkies wanted to much from the yanks…
I will keep hughes and watch him excel…
Vito this blog is like college, you are going to have to cite that mess.
the yankees are not going to include Kennedy, stop posting rumors Veto.
Cashman set to announce Pavano rehab going well…….
Yeah, Boston is acquring Johan because they’re “worried what you do” Hank, and not because he’s the best pitcher in the game. This guy is officially off the reservation.
Doreen – Maybe it will take the Red Sox winning 3 or 4 straight Series titles for everyone to wake up. As Bill Smith has proven, for now all the GMs seem to be in a very deep and impenetrable hypnosis. They still think Boston hasn’t won a Series since 1918, apparently. “Oh, poor little Boston…We don’t dare take their best prospects for our star players! That just wouldn’t be fair!!!” Ridiculous…
Throwing 90 million at Santana’s bossom buddy was the first step to courting Johan.
I say the Angels trade for and extend Johan.
Weaver/Saunders/Willits/Aybar
Uncle Vito:
Where did you hear that IPK was definitely added?
A Red Sox fan this afternoon freaked out on the radio when Mike and Dog said the Sox were the favorites and the Yankees are the underdogs now. Even their own fans still see them as the little engine that could.
Mel -
That’s why Cashman has been so hell-bent on developing the farm system. And it looks like Hanks’ bought into that lock, stock and barrel. If you develop your own, other teams can’t hold you hostage. Sure, Santana is an awesome pitcher, but he’s not perfect, not with his flaws, and certainly not unbeatable. He’s human, after all. The 3 kids are worth holding onto, and certainly giving up 2 out of the 3 is highway robbery.
I meant not Santana is not without flaws. Edit button, please???
hasn’t anyone learned that you don’t build BP’s through agency? why give a RP 3 years at 4+ million, we’ve had a few players arleady bomb with those typs of contracts, quantrill, karsay, farnsy, etc.
the yanks I have a feeling will take a page from SD’s book, build from within and trade for strike throwers. They have potential for a good bullpen.
as for everyone talking about the 2008 season being over already, can you give me a good reason why you think we won’t be like the team we had in the 2nd half? its the same team except for our young pitchers will have experience and a year under their belt. they don’t need as many runs as they scored last year.
they will be fine. simmmmmmmaaaaaaaa down now.
Link re: ipk?
Michael Edleman says:
December 4th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
Wow, I suck a big donkey shlong… I should keep my mouth shut about Yankees websites b/c they will track me down and brokebackmountain my arse!
PS I hear ####### has a huge Hutt, and I don’t mean Joba! My mom told me so. But she was mad b/c he left muddy boot prints all over the bed spread.
Stay off Lohud ass muncher….
Rudolph on tv now. I love that cartoon.
Chicago Dave -
Shut your mouth!!!!
But, yeah, I think you’re right.
Speaking of the Cubs (and their fans). They watch their team get trampled on most every year, but they still come back the following year and root hard for their team. Rather than say the 2008 is over before it happens, I’d prefer to root for the Yanks and see how things shake out.
Getting Pettitte back steeled their spines.
Todd -
Man that just cracked me up! Pavano rehab going well! Hah!
from mlbtraderumors…
Angels GM Tony Reagins recently held court with the media to debunk most of the Angels rumors swirling about recently.
The Angels are not currently in the mix for Johan Santana. Reagins spoke to Bill Smith last night, but not about Johan.
Having Pettitte back definetly allows the Big 3 to develop over the next year.
I want Santana bad, but too much is too much.
Can I ask what the hell has happened to this blog. I was just skimming the previous entry and people were getting really nasty.
Cubs fans are a different breed altogether. I don’t see Yankees fans disappearing in droves, though, because there’s no Johan Santana. Hey, at the very least, we now have 10 years to follow ARod’s chase of the homerun record.
Cashman came to Nashville because he had some extra ailine miles. Where do we go from here? So far, we have watched the Drays get better, the Tigers get better, and maybe the Sox get better.
Can anyone confirm what a previous poster said, re: Yankees adding IPK to the trade?
Doreen – It’s just that some people on here are talking like we shouldn’t even bother to watch the team anymore now that Boston has Santana. Seems really overboard to me…
Amen Chicago Dave.
First off, I don’t see why all the angst against the decisions the Yankees are making. We aren’t going to change it anyway, and maybe they actually know what they are doing.
Funny, the posts here when Hughes was included were OMG how can they do that, and now its totally reversed with some wanting to throw in every single possible prospect and player they can think of.
“Can I ask what the hell has happened to this blog. I was just skimming the previous entry and people were getting really nasty.”
I noticed that too.
Jennifer -
I think some people are just getting really testy. I mean, this has been going on for far too long. Two days ago, the Yankees were thisclose to a deal once they included Hughes and Boston was out of it unless they included Ellsbury and/or Buchholz and now neither one of them appears to be in the deal, and yet, if reports are to be believed, Boston will be negotiating with Santana. It’s just too much for a lot of people to wrap their heads around!
Yankees adding IPK? Have not heard that anywhere. So I will assume it is a false rumor someone is starting
from rotoworld:
Everyone still believes the Yankees would happily jump back in if the Twins come around to their way of thinking. There hasn’t been anything in the last hour and a half to suggest that Baseball Prospectus was right about the Red Sox and Twins having a deal.
Would love to listen to Minn sports talk shows if Twins take Sox offer…… Fans will be pissed….
“That echos my feelings on all this. I think the RS are worried about the Yankees far too much.”
As well they should A-Point. Don’t think that the Red Sox didn’t notice that after our horrible start that the Yankees were the best team in baseball, that the Yankees beat their asses 10 to 8 after losing 5 of the first 6 games (CHase Wright, Matt De Salvo & Tyler Clippard won’t be startng any games for us this year). They probably also noticed that their “ace rotation” doesn’t exactly have stellar ERA’s against the Yankees (quite the contrary actually).
it is a false rumor with IPK, the poster is just trying to stir up contreversy.
Jennifer,
It is starting to get tense because everyone is starting to feel the desperation or despair in the last hours leading to the trade. So you start to see people getting angry at the way the Red Sox are stealing Santana in front of our eyes while everything remains eerily quiet on our front and I think people just feel desperation, it is normal. Wait until it gets official, I am going to have to come in here to read the comments with some courage.
I want Santana as much as anyone else here. But at this point, I just want him to go to the Dodgers. Cmon Torre…. I know you’re mad at Hank… but help us out!
People are in a bad mood because Boston will probably get Santana for nothing. In my saner moments I give Boston credit, but right now I hate them. It’s not that NYY don’t get Santana, its that Boston gets hiim without giving up anything. It’s ridiculous!
Brian Cashman has just made an announcement:
He traded Phil Hughes to BAL for Jared Wright.
He then three-wayed Joba and IPK, netting us the rights to Roger Clemens and Randy Johnson’s DNA…
Jared will pitch until Roger Johnson, a switch throwing ace, is born and ready to complete.
Yanks fans, tune in in 2025 !
Hank’s quote is awesome if he means it. Big if.
(Note: If we had large font here, I would have used XL on the word “big” to show just how wary I am of his quotes. You guys understand.)
Okay, cause I’m signed up on another message board, die hard baseball, i can’t get signed on and they had the same headline.
Curious about Bobcat…. so the real bobcat has been missing for like 2 days? Has any speculations of his panned out?
Ahhh… Doreen beat me to it LOL.
Is it just me, or does everyone else squirm when Hank opens his mouth? The Red Sox are going to give up less than the Yankees would have had to and you can’t help but wonder if it’s not partially in retaliation over Hank’s “Boss” persona. He comes off as a bombastic blowhard. Until proven otherwise, Hank Steinbrenner is a buffon.
buffoon even!
Bufon works too.
Chicago Dave -
I know.
It’s disappointing, to be sure, but the fact that Santana was even available was a bit of a surprise to me. I kind of thought that even cheap Minny would try their best to keep him. Especially since they didn’t have to worry about Hunter’s salary.
Drive 4-5.
I doubt that the intelligent twins would accept less value just in retaliation for hank’s comments.
No, I love it when Hank opens his Big Yapper!!! (Farley Motivational Speaker yell) I was getting sick of the PR BS we were being fed as if this was some kind of secret society or something.
Hank is very chatty. Too chatty for my taste sometimes
Okay I love how people twist words around to make it sound like news or to fit their own agenda. I found this on yesnetworks message boards.
Kurkjian expects Yanks to add Kennedy in deal
very different than Yankees add IPK to the trade, Santana coming to the Yankees looks real now
Exactly dana.
I don’t think that Lowell will be batting in the .300’s again. I bet the league figures out Pedroia as they figured out Jeter, but Pedroia with his type of swing will have a harder adjustment period. Youkilis started well, but fell off with his bat.
I doubt the Yankees start next season like they did this past season. 50 starts by assorted early call ups who weren’t ready, batters who were struggling due to various ailments.
If the Yankees had started the season playing .500 ball they would have run away with the division race, faced the ailing Angels and it would have been a whole different story.
I don’t know if it’s just you, but it’s inaccurate.
Teams have tried to extract a premium from the Yankees in trades for at least the last 30 years.
If Bill Smith is making this deal sheerly based on his spite for Hank, it only highlights what a poor GM he is. As the saying goes, “business is business”…Making things personal will only screw you (or the Twins, in this case) in the end.
Boston has now taken the following from Minnesota:
David Ortiz
Randy Moss
Kevin Garnett
Johan Santana
Anyone the Minnesota Wild want to give the Bruins?
I think the fact Detroit just landed Cabrera and Willis might push the Twins into full fire-sale mode.
I felt there was a chance Smith might say forget it, I’ll go into the season with “Santana, Liriano and pray for rain” and see what happens. But with Detroit landing two big pieces, Smith might just concede and look to restock/rebuild.
Well they got Moss by way of Oakland.
Doreen – Minnesota never wants to pay anyone. So, it was no surprise they wanted to short-change Santana on an extension.
I’ve been in ready-to-squirm mode ever since Hank said that he was the one in the “big chair now.”
Blue Jays are getting better… even the DRays are getting better. the AL EAst is going to be very interesting next season with or without Santana.
Jen, any link to the Tim K news?
I want Cashman to come out and soberly issue a statement to the effect that the Yankees have decided to not to play in 2008 as a result of the Red Sox acquiring Johan Santana. That it was a hard decision, but the outpouring of blog-fan-panic really showed them the light, that it wasn’t even worth showing up next season to compete. Derek Jeter will still be on the field every day, because he doesn’t know where else to go once it hits April, but everyone else will be sitting in the clubhouse having a good cry every day from 8 – 11 PM. Except Damon…he’ll be nude somewhere. Sometimes they’ll take field trips to go swim in ARod’s Scrooge-McDuck-style money bin.
If the Twins go into firesale with Santana, I hope the Angels get him and then we grab Nathan. Dare I ask what they want from the Yankees assuming the Red Sox refused to part with Crisp for him of course?
whoa,
You’re right. And part of it was George Steinbrenner being such a blowhard that no one wanted to do business with him and make it look like he won. Unfortunately, the apple didn’t fall too far from the tree.
Well, one wish came true for me today – I’m leaving work before Cash is done with his “we resigned Molina!” announcement. Night everyone!
Funny thing, the one rumor out there is that the RS will start the bid for Santana’s contract at 5 years/100 Million. That doesn’t seem like enough to get it done. Then again, they are the Saux.
Except for the “everything is copasetic” comment, which cracked me up because it used to be a favorite word of mine, what was wrong with anything Steinbrenner said?
I really, really don’t get the attacks on Hank. He has not ever said anything that wasn’t true. Now, does he make people squirm with the way he puts things? Perhaps. But I think everyone has just become too accustomed to the “official” statement put out by the PR guy.
A-Point- We didn’t need to face the Angels. If Torre had pulled his players off the field when the MIDGES flew on the field, there was a decent chance we would have won that game, and who knows, but gone on to face the Red Sox.
I like Hank’s “don’t pi$$ on me and tell me it’s raining” attitude.
I don’t know if I’ll always like the results it’ll generate, but he’s always an interesting quote.
i doubt sox are that worried about us. they’ve won 2 of the last 4.
this would be a nice fleecing for them, like the tigers’ fleecing of marlins. i dont like willis that much, but cabrera is a true stud.
some of you people give up too easily. just like last year.
have some faith will ‘ya… we’re already better than we were last year.
i believe in cash. and so far, if i had to decide, i’d say i like hank.
Everyone- There is NO report on the IPK addition. That was some clown throwing that out for everyones reaction.
Todd-You have to wonder just how guys like Quantril, Sturtze or Proctor would have done if Joe Torre didn’t burn them out like he did. But i agree that you don’t need a $4 mil guy like Latroy Hawkins on this staff. He’s another AL failure who did reasonably well in the weaker hitting NL. Marte is a guy who has been of interest of Cashmans for awhile but i wonder if he’ll turn into another NL flop.
You know, I might be the giddiest I have been since I found out I got into college.
And that’s with the blizzard.
Maybe I really am delusional.
I need a resolution soon. Enough is enough. Wife won’t even talk to me at this point, been on line since got home from work…
Steve Balboni,
Didn’t Marte pitch for the WS Champion WhiteSox in 2005? I recall him being pretty effective vs AL LH hitting.
Shamus – Oh, all this is not worth domestic strife! Heck, if I wasn’t single I wouldn’t be spending so much time on this blog!!
I agree I want something to happen one way or another. I can’t stand the waiting, and wondering. I only wonder what is going thry Phil, Melky’s heads.
Whozat at 8:20 hit that on the head…
Lets just call in next season…
Why even show up… Just give the Sox another WS trophy for next year, maybe next week, and let them ride those Damn Duck Tour boats around again…
I actually like Hank. Should he sometimes be a bit more quiet–maybe.
There is a method to the madness here.
The guy is a horse trader–literally–and he’s been pretty good at it, and likely will have the favorite at this year’s Kentucky Derby.
Let’s just see where this all lands.
I agree with Shamus and Whozat. Cash should just send a letter into MLB saying he gives up. We won’t even play next season. Why bother, since you know games are played on paper.
Shamus – that’s dedication man. But like Chicago Dave said, don’t take it too far.
I would have been fine if the Yankees had decided not to trade Hughes for Santana. That would have been a decision based on their projection of him as an ace beyond when JS would still be effective, Maybe they would have been right, maybe not. But I could live with it.
However, they made the decision to trade Hughes. Having made that decision, they must obviously believe that for the next 5 years or so JS will be more valuable than PH. If not, they would not have agreed to offer up PH. OK, I can live with that.
What I cannot live with is having made that calculation, they allowed the likes of Horne to stop the deal. Even if there is room for Horne in the ML, there are real questions about his command on the ML level. He does not hold up a deal.
So my real issue is the internal inconsistency of the Yankee position, and I have to chalk it up to emotionalism on the part of Hank. I like his candor and all that, but come on, Horne should not be holding this deal up. It’s lunacy.
No no the Twins will not host a firesale, they need to keep the people in Minny relatively happy with their team for their new stadiums sake. If not for that then yeah they would be pulling a Florida Marlins right about now.
Great trade by the Tigers getting Cabrera and Willis. That lineup is going to be ridiculous. The twins are smart to rebuild now, they will be lucky to come in 3rd in their division.
Jennifer also is right.
Look at all the speculation, up until 5 am posts by all of us…
Just imagine what Phil Franchise and the Melk Man are thinking? Or going through…. They say they don’t pay attention— please….
Poor guys. Makes you wonder if Hughes will wilt under expectations of ‘we could have traded you for Johan’ or do you think he’ll come in with a semi chip on his shoulder with something to prove ?
I still think Hughes will still be dangled to some other pitcher trade.I think the A’s will ask the same of what the Twins are asking.Thats what Jon Heyman said Bily beane will ask for a Haul.
I still think all three rookie pitchers won’t be in the rotation next year.It can’t and won’t happen no matter what they said.
reality check,
So once Hughes was in they should have stopped at nothing? That’s not a good strategy.
MT December 4th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
Boston has now taken the following from Minnesota:
David Ortiz
Randy Moss
Kevin Garnett
Johan Santana
Anyone the Minnesota Wild want to give the Bruins?
The Bruins already got some goalie Manny Fernandez or something like that and he was supposed be good. I don’t know much abt NHL but that trade was mentione din the offseason when they were discussing abt the Minnesota’s LOVE for anything Boston and Boston.
I wish there was some broadcast outlet, radio or tv, devoted exclusively to this.
WFAN has the Nets, 1050 is occupied with boxing and football, and the ESPN and ESPN2 are broadcasting college football.
here is the problem that i have. since i was little i was always of the “this is all a big game orchastrated by the yankees and theyll always get their man.” attitude… more and more thoguh i feel like some of these guys are just ‘going through the motions’ (as any football coach of mine for the pasy 16 years would say about the team when they werent trying as hard as they could) If you are going to let some of these lower level prospects stand in the way… when you already threw in Phil Hughes…. i dont get it (guess thats why im here and not in the opryland hotel)
I really hope it’s the latter, Shamus. Cuz if it’s the former adding that to the normal pressure in NY, his head just might explode.
Granderson
Renteria
Miguel Cabrera
Ordonez
Sheffield
Guillen
Pudge
Inge
Polanco
That is some lineup Detroit got for 2008 season.
C’mon, Pete, throw us a bone here. Thumbs up, or thumbs down? Should we look up Haren’s number in the book and tell IPK not to pack?
Some of these posts crack me up.
Where is the intelligent dialog of a few days back? Calling Hank a blowhard and Cashman sleeping through N-ville,, I really thought this was a blog for rational fans,, not idiots. MINN fans would count their lucky stars if they had an owner half as generous as the Yankees. Yet fans here are so damn spoiled sometimes, it’s almost embarassing.
Some of you are freaked out the Yankees may not get Santana at any cost or BOS getting him, so instead of lambasting MINN for a stupid trade or crediting BOS for a steal you take the easy route and lambast Hank and Cash, as if it was their role to sell the org. down the river to get one stud pitcher. Forget reason, get Santana,, yeah, great move.
You may not like the Yankees not caving in to MINN, no problem having that opinion,, thankfully you are not making decisions as the GM and owner of the Yankees.
Keith Olberman just named Hankee as todays Worst Person in the World!
Before saying the Tigers robbed the Marlins, I hope you realize that Maybin – Miller is like Joba – Kennedy according to many prospect rankings and they also gave up 4 more lower end prospects (1 potential closer and potential 3rd starter)
The Tigers will be at their best next season but have just depleted their farm system leaving only Porcello (that was nowhere near as deep as the yanks).
NYY, take out Inge and put in J. Jones. Even better now….
I don’t think Angels will be in the Santana sweepstakes. They already spent 90 Mil for Hunter for 5 years this offseason. Even though they have the prospects to trade for Santana I think they are cheap and won’t like to spend 20-25 Mil on Santana in addition to Hunter’s 90 Mil and Gary Mathews Jr’s 55 Mill bust last off season.
Doreen,
One of the things that makes me uneasy about Hank is his continual use of the word “I” rather than “we”.
Hank has been in the baseball business oficially for about 6 months or so. I’d feel a lot more comfortable knowing he was taking counsel from the Cashmans and Michaels that are around him.
With this “I” stuff, he comes off as being the expert. He’s NOT a baseball expert. He’s an amateur. Hence, the blowhard tag.
Phil, not nothing. Alan Horne. The Yankees turned down the trade of PH, Melky, Marquez and Horne. Again, having made the decision to trade PH, to veto the deal only on the basis of Horne is, to repeat, lunacy.
Reality Check
December 4th, 2007 at 8:28 pm
I would have been fine if the Yankees had decided not to trade Hughes for Santana. That would have been a decision based on their projection of him as an ace beyond when JS would still be effective, Maybe they would have been right, maybe not. But I could live with it.
However, they made the decision to trade Hughes. Having made that decision, they must obviously believe that for the next 5 years or so JS will be more valuable than PH. If not, they would not have agreed to offer up PH. OK, I can live with that.
What I cannot live with is having made that calculation, they allowed the likes of Horne to stop the deal. Even if there is room for Horne in the ML, there are real questions about his command on the ML level. He does not hold up a deal.
So my real issue is the internal inconsistency of the Yankee position, and I have to chalk it up to emotionalism on the part of Hank. I like his candor and all that, but come on, Horne should not be holding this deal up. It’s lunacy.
Another great post… There are so many different angles to look at this from… Good call Reality…
If it was SOOOOO hard to include Hughesm in the deal, why the hold up over Horne or IPK for that matter ?
Two years ago, when they had an OF of crap after Matsui and Sheff went down, they had the chance to get Al Soriano bac, staright up for Hughes. Sori even said he’d signa cost-friendly extension to be a Yankee again and play OF, willingly.
Now, I liked Sori, and I think they did well with the Abreu trade. But they flip flop so much on who is expendable and who isn’t… IMHO…
Wife just said, “lets go Mr. Blog man !”
Going out for a smoke, back later…
Imagine Cashman emerging with the severed head of Johan Santana under his arm…
“…if I can’t have him, no one will!”
In all seriousness, what happens if Dontrelle and Migs bolt Detroit when they become free agents? Wouldn’t that royally suck for the Tigers?
I still own both Dontrelle and Beckett bobbleheads from when I lived in Miami. I think it’s time I chop off both their heads.
Seriously, complete lunacy
Marlins definitely got fair value. Maybin/Miller is good value for Cabrera and really anything is good value for a pitcher as overrated as Willis is by the mainstream media and fans.
Not all of them wanted to trade Hughes to begin with and they had second thoughs. They offered Marquez and that was it. BTW, Hughes/Melky/Marquez is better than what Boston was offereing. The Twins wanted to screw them, though, and the Yanks passed.
Some outlet in Providence is reporting that the Red Sox may acquire Santana for GET THIS
1) Lester
2) Lowrie
3) Kalish
NO MASTERSON. You got to be kidding me?
My greatest hope, at this juncture, is that the Twins do an A-Rod and come back to the Yankees and accept a deal of Melky, Hughes, Marquez and/or the Alberto Gonzo.
Doreen said “When will the rest of MLB wake up to the fact the Boston is not the little engine that could?”
Seriously!?!? Why do they get handed marquis players on a silver platter for next to nothing? The Yankees were asked for eveything short of a pint of George’s blood, yet the Twinkies are willing to take a package based on weak @$$ Coco Crisp? (Sorry, would take Melky over him any day of the week and twice on Sundays.) It doesn’t make sense and it’s not fair. BUT – all that said – I still do not believe they are ready to serve up an enormous multi-year contract, he still has to agree to the terms and has the right to decline the trade.
Meanwhile, if Billy Beane thinks he deserves the same deal for Haren that Minnesota should get for Santana, he is smoking crack! The Yankees should pick up a decent reliever and head to Tampa in March AS IS — and Hank needs to be less vocal. The whole world knows Yankee business right now and he’s happy to provide the updates – wtf?
How do you know that the Yankees felt comfortable giving up Hughes? Once Pettitte said he was coming back it changed the absolute need they felt.
One thing I was thinking of. Hughes was brought into the trade offering and the next day Andy seemly changed his mind from retiring to coming back. Hughes was offered on – what? – Friday? Pettitte said he decided on Saturday that he was going to return. Maybe the thing that pushed him over the top was seeing the Yankees were desperate enough for a lefty that they were giving up Hughes.
I never thought I’d see a post about severed heads on this blog.
Kill-Schill(ing)
Your salting my wounds!
Watch, Johan will take 5 years 100 million below market from the Sox.
Theo and John Henry will look all forlorn and rub nickels together in their hands and empty all the change from their pockets telling him it’s all they can afford and Gammons will be nearby with a tear in his eye while he recounts this emotional scene with a pad and pen and Ortiz will be dressed as Santa with a couple of local urchins on his knee giving them lincoln logs and Johan will be swept up in the moment and agree to take 50 million less than he was worth.
I still don’t think Boston is going to give him the contract he can get out there, but somehow they’ll talk him into taking less the same way they’ll tell Beckett not to worry, they’ll take care of him when the time comes only to lowball him and show him charts that state his best days are behind him and he’s not worth Johan money.
any comment make by someone who has the last name of Steinbrenner will be disected to the n-th degree. If he didn’t say anything, everyone would be all over him saying he’s not interested in running the team etc…All he is doing is making simple comments to the media that people are twisting and turning and making into bigger things than what they are because nothing else is gong on. Once the Yankees do what they plan to do, whatever it turns out to be, they will give all the details to all media outlets. When was the last time you recall them doing something and cashman or whomever not provide time to the media. If they reported on every phone call or discussion with another GM, they wouldn’t get anything accomplished with all the inuendo that wold be spewed by the likes of Peter Gammons, Buster Olney, Tim K and others.
I need valium
Yankees keep the kids, Red Sox respond by trading 4 players and adding $150 mil. in payroll.
lol G Love…
I am totally shell-shocked if that bosox deal gets done for that.
Phil, I understand that they were demanding more from the Yankees. But you boil it down to the difference between a deal being done or not, and in this instance it was Alan Horne. There should be not “it” in negotiations, and Alan Horne should not be the difference in a HOF pitcher.
The only way I can rationalize my way out of this is that they changed their mind about PH once Andy came back. But this makes no sense because the initial decision must have been based on projecting out PH and JS over the next 5 years. Andy is gone after next year, and as much as I love Andy, he is not a shut down ace.
So I must conclude it is emotionalism– and lunacy.
And I have to to work in that town tomorrow, so for me it is personal.
yankee21,
I’m not irrational or unintelligent. I’m angry that the Red Sox managed to get Santana for what appears to be a less than reasonable offer. There has to be some underlining reason for it.
I live in Mass. and I can tell you that Red Sox fans laugh at Hank’s statements and I have a hard time defending him.
“I’m very pleased.†“Everything is copasetic.”
How is everything “copasetic” when your main competition just took you to the cleaners? There has to be an underlining reason why he and his dad consistently come out on the short end of these transactions. What is it?
I personally think that the Yanks should sign Yukon Cornelius to play 1B next year. Although it would be a shame to see him cut that fantastic beard and handlebar mustache that he is sporting. He looks like he could put up a pretty nasty OPS.
Anyone watching ‘Rudolph’ will understand my attempt at injecting a bit of humor into the proceedings.
RealityCheck,
Are you in Mass. too?
Yes, Drive 4-5. I do live in this hellhole.
Shamus, you might end up divorced before you find out!
1) Lester
2) Lowrie
3) Kalish
??????????????
Guess they’ll be looking for a CF in a Nathan trade.
John Henry will borrow from his already floundering hedge funds in an attempt to scrape up enough to sign Santana long term. If necessary, Peter Gammons will ask for salary advances from ESPN to get the deal signed.
Drive 4-5 –
I understand your concern with his use of “I” instead of “we.” But I think you may be unduly concerned that he’s not taking advice from the baseball people. Else, surely he would have included IPK with Hughes and just got the deal done without regard for the “master plan” of developing their own.
“Yankees keep the kids, Red Sox respond by trading 4 players and adding $150 mil. in payroll.”
Who cares if the “kids” are really any good or not, as long as they’re our “kids”!
Forget number one starters, we need KIDS!
rbizzler -
I chose MASH over Rudolph!
Good luck tomorrow Reality Check! Some of these folks have no idea how bad it is here….and I live 130 miles away in the Berkshires!
Unfortunately, tomorrow they have a right to gloat. If the Yanks had lost Austin Jackson it wasn’t like they were “giving up the farm” like some believe. They still have Tabata and more. All I know is Austin Jackson had better be VERY good and VERY soon.
Drive 4-5
Reality Check
Ditto from Mass. Listening to EEI today the hosts could not understand why we’d let the sox get santana at all. They were claiming that it would put the Yankees in a hole for the next 3-5 years unless at least 2 of the trio become full blown aces!
I hate it up here sometimes especially when it appears they get everything they want!!!!!
Drive,,
If someone doesn’t want to do a deal,, you can’t make a deal. I wouldn’t be surprised if Smith were under orders more or less from Pohlad that anything less than extracting top and quantity talent from NYY- he doesn’t do the deal.
It is the Twins problem if they opt to do a second or third best deal because of some owners words,,ex. Hank, or some other non baseball reason,, it is surely not Hank or Cash’ fault for not meeting unreasonable demands in order to get a deal at all costs. Not sure if your in business or an employee, but if I operated like that in negotiations I wouldn’t last long.
The Twins are the ones who have to justify it internally and sell it to their fan base. It is the fans who have to buy it. Well good luck Twins fans, enjoy the mediocrity.
Ultimately it depends on trust- is there a trust that the Yankees decision-makers know what they’re doing or is there an attitude of mockery or suspicion as if they’re some amateurs that happened upon a grand stage only to quiver and fail.
IMHO, the Yankees are making sound moves.
Doreen,
That is blasphemy. Unless of course you don’t celebrate, then all bets are off. But MASH is on everyday, regardless of the season.
yankee21,
I respect what your saying. But I don’t think the Twins’ felt that the Yankees original offer was even close. I’ve been a Yankee fan for almost half a century and I’d have to agree with them. The Yankees obviously have a higher opinion of Melky than most teams do (and I love the kid). The Yanks were trying to get the best pitcher in baseball. They had to do a lot better than Melky.
Hank’s take it or leave it stance was uneccessary,especially publicly. I’ve been around business negotiations. If you want to be successful, you don’t embarrass the folks on the other side of the table.
To start the deal off with IPK rather than Hughes and then impose a deadline did not make for a comfortable negotiating atmosphere. I can appreciate Hank being exasperated with the tit for tat with the Red Sox and Twins. But stay private with it! He’s too much bluster,just like his dad was.
RE: Farnsworth
I’m surprised that Pete buys into anything anyone in baseball management says. They will basically lie or mislead when it suits their interest. Since there are no ramifications in doing so, it doesn’t really matter either.
It looks clear that the organization has a well orchestrated game plan to pump up the value of Kyle Farnsworth to either 1. assuage his ego or 2. to sell him to anyone who buys into the baloney. I dont get why they dont push these managers a little harder with the questions.
I followed this all day and have one question, is there any legitimacy to ANY of the Johan to Boston rumors? It all seems like spin, from the medical records, to the “Twins dont like Melky†stance, the numerous positions about the unamed third players and the comments about the tampering.
To me it seems that the well publicized trade proposal with Lester and Crisp as the principals just does not pass the smell test. Lester is a nice pitcher, but its not like he’s a candidate to finish in the top ten in the Cy Young any time soon.
yankees should trade cabrera and matsui for johan santana the yankees need pitching