Comments on: No deal for Santana … for now http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:31:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Merlin67 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/comment-page-3/#comment-1104113 Merlin67 Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:37:46 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/#comment-1104113 I can't really explain it more than that. , I can’t really explain it more than that. ,

]]> By: Drozilla http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/comment-page-3/#comment-216685 Drozilla Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:25:22 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/#comment-216685 im no more than an outside observer here but Melky cabrera was NOT the OF assist leader last year you guys keep bringing it up. Michael Cuddyer had 19 to melkys 16 and the kid the twins just picked up Delmon young had 16 himself. i agree that melky is decent but dont pull stats outta nowhere he has a good arm yes.. but he is not the assist leader please quit using that as his claim to fame from the past season.. im no more than an outside observer here but Melky cabrera was NOT the OF assist leader last year you guys keep bringing it up. Michael Cuddyer had 19 to melkys 16 and the kid the twins just picked up Delmon young had 16 himself. i agree that melky is decent but dont pull stats outta nowhere he has a good arm yes.. but he is not the assist leader please quit using that as his claim to fame from the past season..

]]> By: Jon from UCONN http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/comment-page-3/#comment-216465 Jon from UCONN Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:35:37 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/#comment-216465 If the Yanks trade Hughes they're out of their minds...especially for Dan Haren. If they give up 10 plus years of what seems to be an above average to stellar pitching prospect (who has flashed already in mlb) for Johan who I think has 4-5 years of real production left in him (based on Pedro Martinez's career as they are similar pitchers...Johan throws harder so it could mean fewer years of dominance then Pedro due to his frame simply not being able to support his velocity...also note that when Johan's velocity goes, he will be like an aging Moose- a change of pace pitcher who isn't as effective because with a slower fastball hitters will be able to react quicker to the changeup...I would not be willing to give up Hughes for Johan when it seems Johan's best years are probably behind him...not to mention trade away Melky Cabrera, a steady SH OF who brings youth and energy to an aging lineup). The Yanks need to stop trading their prospects for players who have had their best years behind them- it just doesn't make sense, especially when their prospects have shown that they can pitch and handle themselves well in the big leagues. If the Yanks trade Hughes they’re out of their minds…especially for Dan Haren. If they give up 10 plus years of what seems to be an above average to stellar pitching prospect (who has flashed already in mlb) for Johan who I think has 4-5 years of real production left in him (based on Pedro Martinez’s career as they are similar pitchers…Johan throws harder so it could mean fewer years of dominance then Pedro due to his frame simply not being able to support his velocity…also note that when Johan’s velocity goes, he will be like an aging Moose- a change of pace pitcher who isn’t as effective because with a slower fastball hitters will be able to react quicker to the changeup…I would not be willing to give up Hughes for Johan when it seems Johan’s best years are probably behind him…not to mention trade away Melky Cabrera, a steady SH OF who brings youth and energy to an aging lineup). The Yanks need to stop trading their prospects for players who have had their best years behind them- it just doesn’t make sense, especially when their prospects have shown that they can pitch and handle themselves well in the big leagues.

]]> By: cevans http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/comment-page-3/#comment-216207 cevans Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:25:06 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/#comment-216207 The Yankees will get Santana... comparing the deals the yankees and the red sox have put out is just ridiculous... I don't know what the Twins are looking at... Coco Crisp is a good fielder and a offensive liability... while Jon lester is a great story but he lacks command and will only b a number 4 or 5 starter... while Melky led the league in assists and has a decent bat... while Phil Hughes needs no explaining, does anyone recall his first start where he had a no hitter going into the 6th until he got injured... But all in all i think the Twins will come to their senses and make it happen... the Yankees should go with Santana bc the A's want Ian Kennedy andd Phil Hughes and two other prospects for Dan Haren...Who do the A's think they are? Haren doesn't stay healthy enough and he can not pitch for a big franchise The Yankees will get Santana… comparing the deals the yankees and the red sox have put out is just ridiculous… I don’t know what the Twins are looking at… Coco Crisp is a good fielder and a offensive liability… while Jon lester is a great story but he lacks command and will only b a number 4 or 5 starter… while Melky led the league in assists and has a decent bat… while Phil Hughes needs no explaining, does anyone recall his first start where he had a no hitter going into the 6th until he got injured… But all in all i think the Twins will come to their senses and make it happen… the Yankees should go with Santana bc the A’s want Ian Kennedy andd Phil Hughes and two other prospects for Dan Haren…Who do the A’s think they are? Haren doesn’t stay healthy enough and he can not pitch for a big franchise

]]> By: jason http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/comment-page-3/#comment-216141 jason Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:03:19 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/#comment-216141 1. Santana agent has told local newspapers that santana WILL NOT veto any trades, he wants Bill smith find the best deal. 2. I am having a hard time believing his new report of the lester, crisp, lowrie, masterson. Why would the twins reject a better offer from yankees and then settle for this one. Hughes is the single best player that his been offered in any of the trade scenarios for santana. It makes no sense that the twins would instantly cave to the Red Sox given that the red sox have set no deadline and this inferior deal should be available months from now (i dont think the twins would cave to the yankees either, but at least that would be more believable given the yanks set a deadline). 3. The A's and Orioles will demand the same or more for Haren or Bedard respectively. 4. I understand prospects often do not pan out. Its possible that lester could turn out to be a better pitcher than hughes. But based on performance and scouting info right now Hughes is the better prospect. 1. Santana agent has told local newspapers that santana WILL NOT veto any trades, he wants Bill smith find the best deal.

2. I am having a hard time believing his new report of the lester, crisp, lowrie, masterson. Why would the twins reject a better offer from yankees and then settle for this one. Hughes is the single best player that his been offered in any of the trade scenarios for santana. It makes no sense that the twins would instantly cave to the Red Sox given that the red sox have set no deadline and this inferior deal should be available months from now (i dont think the twins would cave to the yankees either, but at least that would be more believable given the yanks set a deadline).

3. The A’s and Orioles will demand the same or more for Haren or Bedard respectively.

4. I understand prospects often do not pan out. Its possible that lester could turn out to be a better pitcher than hughes. But based on performance and scouting info right now Hughes is the better prospect.

]]> By: JJ http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/comment-page-3/#comment-216120 JJ Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:56:48 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/#comment-216120 I'm with several of the other gentleman here. Why is it that the Yanks need to up the ante while Smith just rolls over for the Red Sux? Is it because of Hank's arrogance? Is it just a smoke screen to get the Yanks to cough up Kennedy? I can't believe that the Twins would prefer Lester over Hughes....OR prefer Crisp and his contract over Melky and his. Doesn't make sense. I would however cough up Austin Jackson if that is what it takes to get this done. Santana on the Sux along with Beckett, Dice-K, Shill and Buckholcz is too insane to fathom. I would NOT trade Hughes to the A's for Haren. Look at his numbers in Fenway the last three years...he's 0-3! Look at his era after the all-star break the last three years...it's almost one run higher. Not the big game stud we're looking for. I'd be more apt to try Kennedy, Melky and a lower level prospect for Bedard. Boston has a tough time with lefty's and a rotation of Bedard, Pettite, Wang, Joba and Hughes could compete with Boston even if they had Santana. I’m with several of the other gentleman here. Why is it that the Yanks need to up the ante while Smith just rolls over for the Red Sux? Is it because of Hank’s arrogance? Is it just a smoke screen to get the Yanks to cough up Kennedy? I can’t believe that the Twins would prefer Lester over Hughes….OR prefer Crisp and his contract over Melky and his. Doesn’t make sense. I would however cough up Austin Jackson if that is what it takes to get this done. Santana on the Sux along with Beckett, Dice-K, Shill and Buckholcz is too insane to fathom.

I would NOT trade Hughes to the A’s for Haren. Look at his numbers in Fenway the last three years…he’s 0-3! Look at his era after the all-star break the last three years…it’s almost one run higher. Not the big game stud we’re looking for. I’d be more apt to try Kennedy, Melky and a lower level prospect for Bedard. Boston has a tough time with lefty’s and a rotation of Bedard, Pettite, Wang, Joba and Hughes could compete with Boston even if they had Santana.

]]> By: Norm http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/comment-page-3/#comment-216074 Norm Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:34:53 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/#comment-216074 I Think the Red Sox get the deal done, and are wold series champions Again. Theo should be GM of the year! I Think the Red Sox get the deal done, and are wold series champions Again.

Theo should be GM of the year!

]]> By: Rob Jones http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/comment-page-3/#comment-216071 Rob Jones Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:33:51 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/#comment-216071 I love all this talk about Hughes being such a bigger prospect with all this upside as opposed to Lester. Note to self, Homer Bailey! Ive never seen a more touted prospect look any worse. I love all this talk about Hughes being such a bigger prospect with all this upside as opposed to Lester. Note to self, Homer Bailey! Ive never seen a more touted prospect look any worse.

]]> By: Grant http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/comment-page-3/#comment-216065 Grant Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:29:56 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/#comment-216065 Idon't let go of our top tier prospects for anything less than Santana. I would rather take my chances with the young guns than Haren. Those A's Aces haven't faired so well outside the bay area. Idon’t let go of our top tier prospects for anything less than Santana. I would rather take my chances with the young guns than Haren. Those A’s Aces haven’t faired so well outside the bay area.

]]> By: hmmm http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/comment-page-3/#comment-216051 hmmm Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:21:53 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/no-deal-for-santana-for-now/#comment-216051 why do you keep posting the same thing over and over? why do you keep posting the same thing over and over?

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