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No update in Nashville, although it’s now Tuesday and Hank Steinbrenner’s deadline has come and gone.
The Twins have pushed for Ian Kennedy as the third man in and were turned down. The Red Sox seem content only to hang around to make sure the Yankees pay a hefty price. If there is a third team (the Mariners? the Angels?) they haven’t made themselves known.
Minnesota could pull the plug and try to win in 2008 with Santana and Francisco Liriano at the top of their rotation. Are Melky Cabrera and Phil Hughes enough for a player like Santana?
If the trade was Cabrera, Hughes and Alberto Gonzalez, the Yankees win. It’s that simple. If it’s Cabrera, Hughes and Kennedy, the Twins win.
This feels like election night and we’re waiting for that final precinct.
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Thanks for the update Pete…I’m going to bed
The suspense is killing me!
if the trade was hughes for santana, we lose.
The Mariners already announced they were out earlier today.
If the Yanks end up surrendering both Hughes and Kennedy, I think it’s safe to assume Cashman is now a puppet GM and Hank is the one and only man running this team. Again, I hope to god this trade doesn’t happen.
This is painful.
Cash, for the love of all things sweet and holy, listen to what they told you in DARE in elementary school.
Just Say “No.”
i’m tired of waiting
Pete,
Any confirmation on the Clippard trade? If it’s true that’s great for Tyler.
Man Brian Cashman ought to send the Twins’ room a copy of Scarface, greedy mofos.
No news is good news depending on what side of the fence you’re on. I was not pleased about letting hughes and melky go. Maybe this could be for the best.
Hughes will get us atleast 15 next year. Lets go w/ that and keep the Melkman! Im happy to not see this go down and say we pursue Santana a year from now.
Pete, are you sure Hank’s deadline was in eastern time, because he has several to choose from and he didn’t specify.
Tyler Clippard has been traded
source
I think the deal is dead. We may now go back to our regularly scheduled lives.
much more important than election night…
what’s the deal with albaladejo
i want hughes and melky to stay as well. who cares if hughes doesn’t pan out to be an ace? he’ll still be a very good pitcher and i’d much rather root for one of our guys than a mercenary.
how do the yanks win if the trade goes thru under any circumstances when they trade a 21 yr old stud pitcher who is cheap for 4 more yrs. in 4 yrs the guy will be 25 and arbitration elgible!!!!
I hope there is no trade and hopefully big mouth(Hank) keeps to his word this is a bluff by Minny anda setup by the sux.
What Clippard trade mel? Where is he getting traded to? Burger King?
from Newsday:
I don’t know if this has been posted. But unless Big Stein misspoke, it looks like the deadline has been pushed an extra day.night
Does the Red Sox telling Yahoo they think the Yankees are close signal that they arent really in contention any more?
i think clippard will be a solid #5 for the nationals, they are remaking their team
On another note, if the Twins turly believe that Hank is calling the shots (rather than Cashman), I’m not surprised they won’t budge off Kennedy. They know Hank can be played for a sucker.
When is Liriano expected back – thought it wasn’t until June at least.
The Yanks traded T-Clip for a reliever. Scroll to the bottom of the article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....283_2.html
Cabrera, Hughes and Kennedy? The Yankees should run away quickly. If that’s what the Twins were really waiting for, this whole thing will end up being much ado about nothing. And if the Yankees actually cave in to that proposal (which would be disastrous in the long run), many heads should roll.
Who is this Washington reliever?
Rotoworlds only info on Albaladejo
Nationals purchased the contract of RHP Jonathan Albaladejo from Triple-A Columbus.
The Pirates pretty much gave up on Albaladejo after last season, but after joining the Nats, he had a 2.97 ERA in 60 2/3 innings between Double- and Triple-A. The 6-foot-5, 260-pound right-hander is talented enough to become a big asset in middle relief.
Hank is not gonna give in to this ludicrous demand.
Now I need to learn how to pronounce (and spell) Albaladejo – he’s been previously released by the Pirates and he’s only pitched 14 ML innings, but those 14 innings look pretty good.
Albala-WHAT!?!?! This!? This is what you’ve spent all night working on cash? Jees…
OK, who is Jonathan Albaladejo?
if they were trading Hughes and another pitcher why would they trade clippard? I know he is not a top prospect but he is a legit bottom of the rotation prospect, they do not grow on treees>>>>>>>
Too bad to see Clippard go. Jonathan Albaladejo has some nice numbers, albeit a small sample size in the majors.
This guy doesn’t really sound major league ready. Wouldn’t we have been better off packaging Clippard with Farnsworth (or whoever else) for an established reliever?
If it was Hughes for Santana they would lose.
Wrong.
Really, learn a little about baseball before posting something like that.
Phil Hughes is not a better pitcher than Johan Santana. You may want him to be but, he isn’t.
He may never be a better pitcher than Santana for the simple reason that Santana is one of the best pitchers of this all-offense generation we are in at the present time.
Pete nailed it. Hughes, Melky and a lesser prospect and its a GREAT win for the Yankees. Anything else, they should pass.
From the Twins standpoint, 2 draft picks is not enough for Santana.
If Bill Smith walks away from the Yankees offer, he will find fewer offers at the deadline. Mainly, because Santana could (and probably would) invoke his no trade clause that close to free agency.
Since the market for Santana is extremely small, if you are Smith, you take what you can take now. If you pass, less will be on the table at mid-season.
From the outset of these talks, the only way the Yankees could lose is if they overpaid. If they don’t, its a win for the Yankees, regardless of whether or not they land him.
Dan Haren? That would cost them Hughes AND Kennedy. Not happening.
Bedard? The Orioles aren’t trading with the Yankees.
Scott Kazmir isn’t on the table and the Rays also won’t trade with the Yankees.
Nice Trade. T-Clip wasnt going anywhere here. I like the guy, but he pitches backward, and i dont think he can survive in an AL rotation. Albaladejo had nice numbers last year in Washington. Definately got some upside.
Giving up Hughes and IPK would be the BIGGEST mistake ever.
Also, if you can’t get Johan, Dan Haren is NOT worth hughes/melky/another prospect
The yanks should fatten their offer up with Eric Dunacn Tyler Clippard and Matt Delsovo but take out Melkey and Hughes and put in IPK and Jackson. No one wants to pay Santana and give up prospects. Boston payroll is already at their limit and are only pretending to want Santana to drive up the price.
Is that the real bobcat?
Yanks can not seriously consider Cabrera, Hughes and Kennedy. I would be OK with Cabrera, Hughes and the second-tier guy, though I would love to keep them all and hope Santana is available as a free agent next year. I don’t think that’ll happen though. I think the Twins move him before losing him and he gets his extension then.
I can’t see the Twins walking away from deals now where they could get Cabrera and Hughes, or Lester, or Ellsbury (though neither of those red sox deals remotely rival what the Yankees are offering)and waiting until the trade deadline where the offers are going to be significantly less.
Bobcat, cite that mess son! I don’t believe that at all comin’ from you.
Thrillington:
Yes, seriously
not a chance in hell
“if they were trading Hughes and another pitcher why would they trade clippard? I know he is not a top prospect but he is a legit bottom of the rotation prospect, they do not grow on treees”
So…unless Cash gets quality MLB-ready parts for 35 year old minor league journeymen, people won’t be happy?
There are five or six pitchers that the Yankees have to fill the role of #5 starter that are higher on the depth chart than Clippard right now. Mussina, Kennedy, Karstens, Rasner, Igawa, even Horne.
Tyler is exactly the kind of guy they CAN afford to trade.
Fake Bobcat, especially posting just after SJ.
This is not like election night.
This is actually interesting.
Bobcat imposter.
Descent trade, we have so many good pitching prospects there is no sense to leave someone liked Clippard rotting in Triple A so this makes for a good very low risk possible high upside move.
I thought you were going to bed, Rebecca…
Hughes, Melky, Gonzalez and $150 million for Santana does not equal a Yankees win Pete. It just doesn’t. I don’t think Melky is anything more than an above average CF, with a plus arm, who hits .270. But Damon is center hurts the team and so does spending money on a FA CF. Hughes is 8 yrs younger with about 1400 innnings less on his arm. Those 150 MM will be quite meaningful next offseason when we drop 70 MM and the class is strong. Worst case- the Sox mortgage the future and get him. In two seasons, they have no Manny, no Schilling, no Wakefield and we had the opportunity to develop 3 players (plus HOrne, Humberto, Brackman, etc) and spend in a strong FA class. This deal kills the team long term
Funny, I was just looking at a fake Rickenbacker. Weird. Two counterfeits on my screen at the same time.
You’ve got to love having an imposter and has anyone heard from Dr Acula?
Jumping over to next post peace!
Fake Bobcat (the IP address tells all) so I deleted him. Dope.
No heads are gonna roll.
If it’s Hughes-Melky-IPK for Santana, than it’s the same old Yankees we’ve been dealing with for years. Sell off the kids to bring in the names.
If NY can get Santana for Hughes-Melky-____, then it’s a much brighter future. That’s why you keep your farm system stocked. Because any way you slice it, Santana-Pettite-Wang-Joba-Kennedy is a great thing. Even if it does mean it’s Damon and Matsui in the OF again.
Not fake.
I’m on my Blackberry in the conference room. Excuse me if Pete Abe and espn are slower than me
“This is what you’ve spent all night working on cash? Jees…”
Um…what, he should have been staring at the phone, waiting for the Twins to call him?
Many things can happen at the same time, folks.
By the time we hear about stuff, it’s usually been in the works for a bit. So, Cash probably wasn’t involved in this Clippard transaction today at all. He probably made the decision and a staffer worked out the details.
Frank: I was, and then I started talking to a friend.
It happens.
SJ44 yeah you know the future of Hughes.. You probably was the guy that allowed Santan to be a rule 5 player bout 7 yrs ago or whenever… I saw Hughes with my own eyes numerous times, the guy came back from a injury and lost 3 or 4 miles from his fastball but still got guys out and struck a=out 1 batter per inning.
the guy is 6 4 and 21 yrs old, with a great head, he may become great.
Santana whom is great is almost 8 yrs older nd extremely expensive………
Bobcat meowing… Bear’s watchin’ ya
Pete, what’s your feel on the Clippard deal. Does this multi-syllable Nats reliever have potential to contribute. Looks like a good K/9… What are his strong pitches?
Hey Pete, since you’re online, I think you saw the best Boss concert yet on this tour. I was at Chicago night #2 which held the title till your show in Boston.
Thanks for all your great work.
Tyler Clippard To Nationals For Minor League Reliever?
A source at the Meetings tells me the Yanks are sending Tyler Clippard over to the Nats in a trade for minor league reliever Jonathan Albaladejo.
Mlb trade rumors
Well if he’s the real Bobcat, he’ll remember the type of birthday cake we had for my birthday party in 3rd grade…
(Sorry; it’s late and I’m getting punchy)
sj likes to deliver lectures to others
Pete. Obviously the IP would be different considering I’m on my Blackberry. I don’t have time for this anyways. You guys can find out from the AP in 20 minutes or so if you want
We have some great detectives here. lol
There is no internet sites with that info. All are saying talks in trouble or stalled.
Jonathan Albaladejo and I have the same Birth day 10/30
Fake Bobcat is a technological marvel and plays an IT guy in his tool shed, evidently.
Bobcat is getting pissed. Take it easy bro.
Fake Bobcat-
Obviously not you, the real Bobcat doesn’t have a temper.
real Bobcat doesn’t talk like this or diss Pete Ab.
enough with this “fake bobcat” nonsense….LET’S GET JOHAN!!!!!
LONG LIVE HUGHES! (in a Yankees uniform, that is).
Hughes and Melky AND Kennedy for Santana?
Tell the Twins to shut their trap and have fun with Santana walking out in free agency.
Everybody knows the real Bobcat uses a Treo.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3140498
According to baseball officials who were aware of the talks, the Twins again asked the Yankees on Monday night for pitcher Ian Kennedy — a pitcher the Yankees have insisted for several days that they wouldn’t trade — as the third player in their proposed deal. The Yankees apparently turned down that proposal immediately.
Shortly before midnight, a Yankees official told AP that no deal was imminent and New York thought Minnesota would hold onto Santana for now. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the Yankees didn’t make any public statements.
Bobcat – what conference room?
If the fakes are out, its another reason why I don’t like to post late at night.
Just got back from out of town so I figured I’d kill a little time.
Anyway, one last thing from me.
I really don’t understand the hatred some of you folks have for Hank Steinbrenner.
Really, what has the guy done wrong since taking over?
He re-signed Posada and Rivera. Something, at least I think, most Yankee fan wanted.
He got Arod back.
He gave Pettitte the space he needed to make a decision and he ended up getting him to come back to the Yankees.
The Santana deal?
Until there is or isn’t a deal, why complain about what he is doing? Especially since nothing has happened?
There was NO WAY they were going to trade for Johan Santana and not have to include Phil Hughes in the deal. It would be impossible.
Just because some of you want the Twins to take lesser prospects doesn’t mean the Twins are willing to do it.
As I posted earlier, if the trade is Hughes, Cabrera and a a lesser prospect, its a great deal for the Yankees.
In fact, I feel comfortable saying that will be the only way the Yankees make the deal.
The money? Why does it matter to you? When Hank and Hal first took over the team, some of the people on this blog complained that he “won’t pay Arod” and, “these guys are too cheap to run the Yankees”.
Now that the guy has shown he isn’t shy about signing checks, these same people rip him for spending money!
You can’t have it both ways.
There are certain players in the game that you go all out to get for a variety of reasons. Santana is one of those players.
By “all out”, I mean you give it your best shot and do it in a way to not hurt your future. Precisely what the Yankees are doing.
I don’t know about anybody else but, it seems to me, the Yankees are being run very well during this transitional phase.
Maybe that is what ticks off the doom and gloom crowd.
Buddy/Chief:
Not a temper thing. I can’t spend too much time staring at my Blackberry can I? Cash might notice and get upset. If you guys don’t believe me you can stay up for the press announcement.
Last post.
Evidently the unnamed Yankee source should have consulted with the fake Bobcat before going to the press.
Bobcat – who else is in the conf room?
here’s to minnesota pulling the plug on the deal and going forth with johan and liriano in 2008. here’s to keeping the big 3 together and here’s to a bidding war to get santana w/o losing our prospects
Honestly – I have no problem with Hank at all. It’s his mouth that needs some tempering. Hank could benefit in getting a Howard Rubenstein Jr. for himself.
imagine if this guy is right? lol….everyone will look like copmlete fools
hank is simply following in the footsteps of vintage george. yanks have a new owner with a big mouth…and his name is Hanky Panky!
Bobcat is the James Bond of this board.
he’s not the real Bobcat Steve Pete deleted his comment different IP but he can end it sending an im to Pete
Our Bobcat has been very clear that he won’t disclose inside information – he’ll only confirm or deny rumors. This new Bobcat has a completely different MO and his name dropping rings hollow.
Fake Bobcat-
You still have 25 mins left, why are you going already?
Stuart,
Everybody wanted Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera back.
Santana is 7 years younger than Pettitte and 10 years younger than Rivera.
Please don’t give me the age and wear and tear argument. The guy has been healthier than Hughes the last 3 years.
He isn’t even 30 years old.
Nobody is saying Hughes may not be a good pitcher in the future.
To project him as another Santana is impossible and is just fan talk. Nobody knows that for sure.
For the next 4 years, I feel pretty comfortable in saying Santana will be the better pitcher. That’s the window, not the length of the contract.
Comparing Santana to guys like Kevin Brown and Randy Johnson when they were acquired by the Yankees makes no sense. Those guys were at different stages of their careers and came to the Yankees with well documented health issues.
Santana is nothing like those guys.
I don’t have any problems with the debate. My issue is when folks overstate or misstate things in trying to make their points.
That’s some clarity needs to take place and that’s when I step in.
Other than that, most of this talk is much ado about nothing.
I’m sure if it is the real Bobcat – he can confirm it with Pete via email.
Any chance of the Santana deal moving forward. I’ve read that several Yankee FO folks were still having problems stomaching this deal and that it may come back to bite them in the future. I’m pretty sure Cash is one of those folks, but I wonder who else is balking at Hughes’ inclusion?
bartrap is that a movie quote?
Let me also point out that there’s been a lot of talk lately about how the Twins are particularly good at evaluating young talent – the fact that they are so high on Ian Kennedy makes me feel even better about our future.
Its a fake bobcat, don’t waste your time.
Seems like his “friends” at NYYFANS.com just got off the midnight shift and want to bust chops.
IJWT – Not sure what you’re referring to, but I wasn’t trying for a movie quote.
With no Santana, how does everyone slot Joba and Phil in the rotation next year? #s 3 & 4?
No trade. Spend the money next year. Good night everyone.
Sure glad SJ whatever gave us clarity. He is the personification of of condescension– without justification.
SJ,
I’m with you 100%.
I’ve decided that most of the people who post here would be happy with a plucky last place team that tried really hard and a humble Jimmy Stewart-esque owner who had to look under the cushions of his couch for money to pay the electric bill at the stadium.
A lot of you should really be KC and Minny fans.
We have ownership that wants to put the best product on the field they can. They want to win. They want to develop great talent and use it in deals for players and use it at the major league level.
And you guys knock the owner who speaks like a fan. I love that he does that. It shows he’s real and not some pre-programmed robot which most of the people in sports today seem to be.
What exactly has Hank done to any of you fools. He brought back every darn player you all were bellyaching about losing?
Where has he screwed up? Trying to trade for the best pitcher in baseball?
Seriously, go root for KC and Milwaukee. Become a Rays fan. Show your Marlin pride.
You’re on the wrong boat. This team has never been a pull up your bootstraps let’s put on a show in the barn team.
It’s the Yankees. They try to win every single year and they’re willing to pay what it takes to get top talent.
Try rooting for Tampa for a season and see how it feels when it’s July and you’re out of the race, but all those cuddly prospects are still kicking around and ownership is absent and invisible.
Johan Santana-S- Twins Dec. 4 – 12:05 am et
A Red Sox official told Yahoo! Sports Tim Brown that he believed the Yankees and Twins were “very close” to completing a Johan Santana trade.
His seems to be the minority opinion at the moment, but all one side has to do is blink for a deal to get done, or at least for contract talks to start. The current guess is that Santana will seek a six-year extension worth around $150 million.
Source: The Associated Press
hey SJ,
was it you who told me you cant change opinions??
nobody who thinks hughes is more valuable to the yanks than santana right now is going to change their mind.
yankeesrule
thanks… you are way late on that one but thanks anyway
Sorry about that…
NOW…to more important things. What the Hell are those HOF voters doing putting a do-nothing idiot like Bowie Kuhn in the HOF. He was the second worst baseball commisioner in history, behind only General William (Spike) Eckert. It was touch and go there for a ehile as #2 and #3 with Peter Ueberroff.
sunny615
December 4th, 2007 at 12:41 am
I’m sure if it is the real Bobcat – he can confirm it with Pete via email.
Any chance of the Santana deal moving forward. I’ve read that several Yankee FO folks were still having problems stomaching this deal and that it may come back to bite them in the future. I’m pretty sure Cash is one of those folks, but I wonder who else is balking at Hughes’ inclusion?
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I’m sure it didn’t please Gene Michael a lot, either.
Steve Howe:
I’d guess that they’d try splitting them up with Mussina working long relief and spot starting for both of them to keep their innings under control. Kennedy won’t have a full work load, but, he’s closer to being turned loose than Hughes and Chamberlain. Then, too, I suppose who the Yanks get to fill the bullpen spots, but, along with Ohlendorff, I’d think two of Mahay, Marte and Affeldt would be a good start.
Yanks might pull out of Santana Talks for good: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....BHeadlines
My gut feeling says keep Hughes…
Santana being both Santana and a LEFTY, I could swallow a trade of Hughes. Barely. But I don’t see any need for Haren. He had one good year with a 3-level ERA, and the rest he was high 3 or 4+. Hughes himself could well post better numbers than Haren next year.
Now it’s time to focus on the relief corps. With Rivera 38, we need a solid setup guy who could serve as a closer if Rivera gets hurt or slows down.
Farnsworth, Betemint and ?? for Nathan?
WFAN just said the Twins added both Horne and Jackson to their list. The deal was already way too generous. If this is true, it’s an embarrassment showing what the Twins think of Hank–that he’s dying to give them half the team, that his declarations are worthless. They’re asking for half an entire team for the next 10-15 years and Hank would love to do it if he could get to a phone.
Pete you must mean it the other way around because if we could get him for a Kennedy package WE win. Not them.