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Phil Franchise: “I want to stay”

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 04, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I sent an e-mail to Phil Hughes asking him how he was dealing with the trade talk. Here is what he wrote back:

It’s been tough trying to follow any of this the past week. One minute it’s a for sure thing, the next it’s not. I want to stay in NY and its good to know I have the backing of the fan base.

Had the Yankees traded Hughes and Melky Cabrera for Johan Santana, I would said it made sense. But Hughes is a good kid who handles himself well on and off the field and could well become an ace if he finds a way to stay healthy.

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315 Responses to “Phil Franchise: “I want to stay””

  1. John Z December 4th, 2007 at 10:18 pm

    If the package of players is indeed agreed upon, and there is not yet a negotiating window with Santana/Greenberg, what is Theo negotiating deep into the night about?

    Remember, every major news outlet declared Santana a Yankee upon the inclusion of Hughes.

    Chances are Smith is still asking for Ellsbury, Bucholz, and Lester.

    You don’t need “Bobcat” to tell you that something does not make logical sense. Just because Peter Gammons wants the Sox to get Santana for Crisp/Lowrie/Masterson/Lester, doesnt mean it will happen.

  2. Rob NY December 4th, 2007 at 10:18 pm

    Thats not what Michael Kay saiD! Really good #3 okay #2

  3. NJ December 4th, 2007 at 10:19 pm

    Hell, no! Phil shouldn’t go!

  4. David December 4th, 2007 at 10:19 pm

    Michael Kay is stupid. Hughes is going to be a #1 very soon.

  5. John Z December 4th, 2007 at 10:20 pm

    What in Hughes’ resume to date indicates he CANT be an ace?

  6. John December 4th, 2007 at 10:20 pm

    When the Rocket and Wangster failed us in the playoffs, Hughes stepped up big time. This kid is poised for greatness. It’s easy to root for a kid like this.

  7. alvaro espinoza December 4th, 2007 at 10:20 pm

    Love you, Phil.

    :)

  8. Mike R. December 4th, 2007 at 10:21 pm

    When dealing with trade speculation we sometimes forget that these guys are human beings and not commodities.

  9. Jonathon December 4th, 2007 at 10:21 pm

    Phil Phoever!!!!

  10. Joba the Great December 4th, 2007 at 10:21 pm

    I like Hughes more and more . . .

  11. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 4th, 2007 at 10:21 pm

    we riot if Phil is traded !!!

  12. Yankee Fan December 4th, 2007 at 10:22 pm

    OMG I LOVE YOU PHIL!!!!

    UR SOOOO GONNA BE BETTR THEN ROGER CLEMENS1!!!!

  13. raymagnetic December 4th, 2007 at 10:22 pm

    Phil if you’re reading this then don’t worry. The yankees aren’t getting Santana. You’re safe.

  14. SavePhilHughes December 4th, 2007 at 10:22 pm

    Save Phil Hughes!

  15. Scott - Vegas December 4th, 2007 at 10:22 pm

    Please Hank and Cash keep these kids. We have the making of a great staff. The maturity and makeup up of Joba, IPK and Hughes is fantastic. As a life long fan we have never had so much depth with our minor league pitching and we are starting to see the fruits of it. I am looking forward to what they can do next year…it’s exciting and I like the new approach we have been taking with focusing on our farm system. Thanks for all the updates Pete. Great Blog!

  16. pat December 4th, 2007 at 10:23 pm

    Pete
    Tell Phil to stop by and visit the blog. Everyone here is following all the things that are happening and even many more that aren’t. :smile:

  17. mike f December 4th, 2007 at 10:23 pm

    again well said, Mike R

  18. Randy Velardi Can Turn the DP December 4th, 2007 at 10:23 pm

    Phil is our saviour and will be raising the 27th world series trophy come october.

  19. Ben December 4th, 2007 at 10:23 pm

    I REALLY don’t want to see Hughes traded.

    SAVE PHIL HUGHES

  20. JeffG December 4th, 2007 at 10:24 pm

    Don’t discount character as an asset in a prospect’s development; see Millidge, Lastings, or Dukes, Elijah, for an example. Just one more reason why trading Hughes would have been boneheaded. No knock on Johan, but a 21 year old with killer stuff and a brain between his ears is worth way more than a guy who’s gonna command $150 million and decline over the last three years of the deal. Three years, by the way, where Phil will be only 25, 26, 27.

    Twinkies should have grabbed him when they had the chance.

  21. Joba the Great December 4th, 2007 at 10:24 pm

    Horne for Josh Hamilton

  22. gary December 4th, 2007 at 10:25 pm

    Phil has been untouchable forever since he was drafted. His ceiling is higher than Santana….. keep him please!

  23. sunny615 December 4th, 2007 at 10:25 pm

    He’s a good kid with great upside, but if I had a choice, Santana is hard to refuse.

  24. SavePhilHughes December 4th, 2007 at 10:26 pm

    We believe in ya Phil. :)

  25. eric in queens December 4th, 2007 at 10:26 pm

    two things: phil is the man. michael kay is the stupidest person alive.

  26. Wood Is Good December 4th, 2007 at 10:27 pm

    Phil, you’ve got a LOT of fans who want to see you stay in pinstripes. Please, somehow, keep the faith and know there are many, many unknown people out there rooting for you to succeed, and hope it’s in a Yankees uniform. We respect you more than you can imagine!!

  27. Mike December 4th, 2007 at 10:27 pm

    D-Train and Cabrera to the Tigers… wow.

  28. Mike Francessa December 4th, 2007 at 10:29 pm

    D-Train’s era will be over 5 in the AL

  29. ThatWasMe December 4th, 2007 at 10:29 pm

    This is hard to watch, I’ve followed this kid since he came into the organization, I hope the trade falls apart and we keep Phil.
    I know he’s going to be a great pitcher.

  30. Mr. GoodKat December 4th, 2007 at 10:29 pm

    It’s not like the Yanks were giving him away. They were reluctantly offering him for the best pitcher in baseball, so it’s almost a compliment.

  31. sunny615 December 4th, 2007 at 10:29 pm

    forget the trade part … just DFA Michael Kay

  32. PD0Fan December 4th, 2007 at 10:29 pm

    I think Phil Hughes will soon be better then Santana. Why tade a 21 year old that already won a postseason game and came very close to a nohitter on his second start.

  33. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 10:30 pm

    John Z – it takes more than “COULD” be an ace. Santana IS an ace.

    you can have a scratch ticket that might win you $100, $50, $20, or nothing. Or you can have a $100 bill.

    I think Hughes is going to be very good if not great… a to John Smoltz type. But its not a matter of Hughes vs Santana because Hughes cant win that battle. It’s an issue with the other guys required.

  34. EY December 4th, 2007 at 10:30 pm

    Save Phil Hughes!

  35. Mel (Welcome Back) December 4th, 2007 at 10:30 pm

    I don’t want to see Phil go. We should just give what we have a try. Focus on the BP and have some faith.

  36. rodg12 December 4th, 2007 at 10:30 pm

    I gotta tell you. Seal is one lucky man!!

  37. A-Point December 4th, 2007 at 10:31 pm

    I really would prefer to see Hughes remain a Yankee. IPK I could deal with in a trade deal along with others, but Hughes really has something special in his make up that I like.

    IPK is no slouch either, that is why I think he wouldn’t be a bad deal for the Twins either.

    I think either way is a crap shoot.

  38. Rebecca--Optimist Prime December 4th, 2007 at 10:31 pm

    Phil, we love you.

    ‘Nuff said.

  39. Joel Skinner December 4th, 2007 at 10:31 pm

    Phil Hughes will eat Johann alive in the playoffs

  40. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 10:31 pm

    PDOFan,

    I wish i had your blind enthusiasm.

    Hughes is great but statements like that are a bit… out there.

  41. rodg12 December 4th, 2007 at 10:31 pm

    yeah, totally off topic, I know….

  42. mike f December 4th, 2007 at 10:32 pm

    i never understood why people hated michael kay so much. i always thought he calls a good game on TV, and he’s well informed when doing so…that is until i started listening to his radio show around the time of the whole torre incident this year. the man is a total ass.
    i can’t believe i ever fell for his BS.

    still like mike and the dog though….

  43. Joel Skinner December 4th, 2007 at 10:33 pm

    anyone hear the rumor that Omar is inquiring about the moose?

  44. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 10:33 pm

    The Cincinnati Enquirer believes the Reds will make a run at Erik Bedard, perhaps using Homer Bailey and Joey Votto as bait.

    Bailey is considered a Hughes-type prospect….

  45. YankeeJosh December 4th, 2007 at 10:33 pm

    As much as I want Santana, I don’t want to give up Hughes for him. I think thgis kid is going to be something special. He has poise and stays in great shape. I think Joba may have some super highs, if you asked me now, I think Hughes will be the more consistent pitcher in the long run. If keeping him means losing out on Santana, I’m okay with that. If I’m wrong, and he’s a bust, I’ll admit it, butI’d live with taking that chance now.

  46. whoa December 4th, 2007 at 10:33 pm

    Lifelong Yankee (if sanity still exists).

  47. Andrew December 4th, 2007 at 10:33 pm

    Phil you are the ******* man!

    Yankee for life!

  48. A-Point December 4th, 2007 at 10:33 pm

    sunny615
    December 4th, 2007 at 10:29 pm
    forget the trade part … just DFA Michael Kay

    Amen to that! I’d rather listen to fingers on a chalkboard that hear Kay gushing over all the oppositions players during the games, as well as his stupid comments and thoughts.

  49. Joel Skinner December 4th, 2007 at 10:34 pm

    The sox will need Johann after Big Papi’s name comes out in the Mitchel report

  50. Kenny December 4th, 2007 at 10:34 pm

    I love Phil. Stay strong, Cash.

  51. ugayank December 4th, 2007 at 10:35 pm

    I LOVE PHIL “THE FRANCHISE” HUGHES. He’s the man.

  52. Jonathon December 4th, 2007 at 10:36 pm

    They were reluctantly offering him for the best pitcher in baseball..

    and his $400K/year salary in exchange for a $20-25M/year salary.

    In the process, shooting the Yankees through the $225M/year payroll ceiling and ensuring owners like Carl Pohlad continue to get luxury tax money which they pocket instead of reinvesting it in their team and players.

  53. mike hook December 4th, 2007 at 10:36 pm

    I just heard a caller on wfan saying the same thing about omar looking to trade for the moose – good ridance

  54. DropDead December 4th, 2007 at 10:36 pm

    “Find a way to stay healthy.” Pete you fat SOB, have another donut and drop dead.

  55. bill December 4th, 2007 at 10:37 pm

    Mike, Moose for who?

  56. ellen December 4th, 2007 at 10:37 pm

    When is the Mitchell Report due out? I heard by Christmas.

  57. mike hook December 4th, 2007 at 10:37 pm

    pelfrey

  58. deadrody December 4th, 2007 at 10:37 pm

    Ugh. Finds a way to stay healthy ? Good lord. The kid has one injury stint and now he can’t stay healthy ?

    What the hell?

  59. pat December 4th, 2007 at 10:38 pm

    What are the Yanks getting from the Mets for Moose?

  60. Jonathon December 4th, 2007 at 10:38 pm

    Moose to the Mets…if we could be so lucky…

  61. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 10:38 pm

    Jonathan,

    how nice of your concern for the steinbrenners billions…. if they listen to your advice, they can buy that extra vacation home on the water. heck, lets freeze spending so they can buy that yacht too!!

  62. bill December 4th, 2007 at 10:38 pm

    I wonder if Johann will be on the mitchel report

  63. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 4th, 2007 at 10:38 pm

    Moose for who —>?

    who cares !!!! give me Pelfrey heck I’d take Gotay

  64. ellen December 4th, 2007 at 10:38 pm

    He’d better bring his peanut butter with him.

  65. mike hook December 4th, 2007 at 10:39 pm

    rumor is moose for pelfrey with yanks picking up a good chunck of the moose’s salary

  66. Rob NY December 4th, 2007 at 10:39 pm

    lol BD you come with that same lame line every time…. i laugh though

  67. mike f December 4th, 2007 at 10:40 pm

    good luck getting moose to waive his NTC. he should just realize he’d fare much better against the weak NL line-ups

  68. sunny615 December 4th, 2007 at 10:40 pm

    moose has a no-trade folks

  69. John Z December 4th, 2007 at 10:40 pm

    Boston Dave:

    My comment is directed toward the “Kay” statement of Hughes being a “2 or 3″ type. Of course, when presented with the choice of Hughes or Johan right now, the choice is obviously Johan.

    However, its not so much a sure thing when played out over the next 3-5 years. The time frame is really staggering; in 5 years, Hughes will still be just 26 and still younger than Johan is right now.

    I’d love to see Santana on the Yanks, and think he makes us a real World Series contender, TODAY. However, if the cost is Hughes, and Melky (someone should check the Yanks w/l w and w/o melky over the past 2 years), AND two more premium prospects, the cost is simply too high.

  70. Go NYR December 4th, 2007 at 10:40 pm

    What do you guys think of this kid they picked up for T-Clip? I think it was worth a chance to see if you can sure up the big hole. Clip was blocked from triple a, nonetheless the big leagues. Hopefully he gets his chance in the NL. But if the guy we got stays in shape, based on his stats, it seems like he can be a better than Chris Britton or Brian Bruney. It doesnt seem like he walks tons of hitters. Im only basing this on stats.

  71. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 10:40 pm

    you guys are turning on Moose just like you’d turn on Hughes at the end of his career (if he should be so lucky to have a career that good)…. Moose had a bad stretch last season. other than that he was decent (2006 he was great). nice of you to say how much you love phil and how moose is a piece of garbage. nice…

  72. mike f December 4th, 2007 at 10:40 pm

    why should we pay his salary? the mets have plenty of money

  73. Master Wangkee December 4th, 2007 at 10:41 pm

    Phil,

    We saw you in the playoffs and caught a glimpse of the real Phil Hughes. You’re the real deal. You’re meant to be a Yankee.

  74. pat December 4th, 2007 at 10:41 pm

    Why would the Yankees want to do that and why would Moose agree to it?

  75. B. Stanley December 4th, 2007 at 10:41 pm

    Phil Phorever!

  76. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 10:41 pm

    John Z – got it…. my bad. I can respect that.

  77. mike hook December 4th, 2007 at 10:41 pm

    moose better waive his ntc, if not he’ll be in the bullpen with long relief

  78. mel December 4th, 2007 at 10:42 pm

    Awwwww…

    Sidenote: Moose has a NTC?

  79. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 10:42 pm

    nice of all of you Moose bashers to show your true colors….

    WEAK

  80. dontfirecash (though if he trades Phil, I might reconsider) December 4th, 2007 at 10:43 pm

    why the fuc* would the mets trade Pelfrey for one year of Mussina? Is Minaya really that dumb? I mean Pelfry wasn’t great last season but he has a bigtime arm.

  81. mike f December 4th, 2007 at 10:43 pm

    boston dave:

    moose wasn’t so great down the stretch of 06 either.

    i don’t see anyone here calling moose “garbage” anyway.

    the point is that moose is at the end of his career and most yankee fans would be happy to see his backside.

    and yeah, we’ll all be doing the same to phil in 15-18 years

  82. Rocco December 4th, 2007 at 10:43 pm

    Moose for a hotdog.

  83. Jonathon December 4th, 2007 at 10:44 pm

    BD…it was more a criticism of Pohlad and those like him who pocket the luxury tax money they receive from the Yankees instead of reinvesting in the team.

    If I were a fan of the Twins…I’d be PO’d. Players like Torii Hunter and Johan Santana have been the face of the Twins for years. Now they’ll end up playing for someone else because Pohlad wants another yacht or vacation home.

    Don’t really care about the Steinbrenner’s billions, except that those billions shouldn’t fund future generations of Pohlads.

  84. John Z December 4th, 2007 at 10:44 pm

    Moose is a shell of his former self. I don’t think anyone is turning on him, but rather acknowledging the fact that he no longer has the physical capacity to be a reliable starter in the American League East.

    Moose would do just fine in the National League West. Frankly, if I were him (and I’m certainly not), I would want to pitch in a place where I had a reasonable chance for success.

    He is a proud guy, and lord knows, he had to be mortified during the “stretch” last summer.

  85. dontfirecash (though if he trades Phil, I might reconsider) December 4th, 2007 at 10:45 pm

    mel,
    he’s a 10/5 guy

  86. alvaro espinoza December 4th, 2007 at 10:45 pm

    gotta respect moose. he is and always has been my type of player. with that said, the yankees would be foolish not to trade him for pelfrey.

  87. Jonathon December 4th, 2007 at 10:45 pm

    My true color is Moose Basher Blue…I can’t wait to see that guy go…I’ve been wishing that since he 1st arrived in 2001.

  88. ben December 4th, 2007 at 10:45 pm

    I’ll take Phil.

    My money says he wins 13-15 games as a NYY this year.

    Santana wins say 20 with NYY.

    5 or 6 wins…Is it worth the 24.5 million price differance.

    What bothers me…Is the NYY have to give up one of mlb’s top rated young talents and 3 other top tier young players….Boston has to give up a mediocre lester and 2 no name minor leaguers…and a rosin bag!!!!!!!!!!

  89. Dave December 4th, 2007 at 10:45 pm

    Love ya Phil (but ya need a new pic on your site, less KFedish, hehe)

  90. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 10:46 pm

    mike f – as long as you can admit it.

    there is all this FAKE loyalty to the guys. just admit that if hughes is only an average pitcher over the next 3 seasons you will be booing him off the field and cursing him.

    it has nothing to do with loyalty and the “phil is great” BS

    I personally think Moose can still contribute and deserves a chance to. If they could trade him for value, thats fine but the comments in here about Moose are WEAK.

  91. Kirk Herbstreit December 4th, 2007 at 10:46 pm

    the mets are so desperate we should ask for the entire farm.

  92. Norm December 4th, 2007 at 10:46 pm

    Phil, we Yankees fans are behind you 100%, and look forward to you for playing for the team for years to come. You are the real deal, and us NYers love for prospects from our own system to make it with the big club. All the best to you for a happy holiday season!

  93. Rob NY December 4th, 2007 at 10:46 pm

    difference being that Phil (if he has a carrear) will be a carrear Yankee and the moose man will always be from the Orioles. No problem with Moose just im not looking to give him the same level of respect i give to a Mariano on the tail end of his carrear… (or a Hughes if he can be a life long Yankee. Life long quality pitcher for that matter) No knock on the moose, just kinda… thanks; its been real; good luck.

  94. Shamus December 4th, 2007 at 10:47 pm

    Good piece by McAdam in the ProJo.com… Interesting.

    http://www.projo.com/redsox/co.....58c5b.html

  95. Jonathon December 4th, 2007 at 10:47 pm

    Moose is weak…no guts to speak of…

  96. Master Wangkee December 4th, 2007 at 10:47 pm

    What would the Yankees do with Pelfrey? Spin him or make him a reliever?

  97. pat December 4th, 2007 at 10:48 pm

    Jorge and Joba both were just on SNY and both are sporting some serious facial hair. Definitely a different look.

    Both would love to have Santana but would feel bad about losing their boys.

  98. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 10:48 pm

    Jonathan,

    IT didnt sound anything like a rip of Pohuld. 400k vs 20M ?

  99. mike f December 4th, 2007 at 10:48 pm

    boston dave:

    i will make no such admission about booing hughes off the field. i resent your salacious comments.

  100. Dave December 4th, 2007 at 10:48 pm

    Eek, posted before I was done…

    Just wanna say that I was a person who really wanted this trade to go through. I think Santana is a once in a generation type pitcher, but he is the ONLY person I woulda traded Phil for. Now that it looks like it wont happen, I am perfectly happy with that too because Phil seems like a class act and destined for good things.

  101. Mark December 4th, 2007 at 10:48 pm

    I was just wondering on fan, was it a caller that bought this up or the host tonight?

  102. Bleacher Creature PJ December 4th, 2007 at 10:48 pm

    I would trade Michael Kay to any other MLB team for a hot dog. I would even go as far to say that we should pick up his salary. He is terrible. Any real Yankee fan knows that Michael Kay is god awful.

  103. Joba the Great December 4th, 2007 at 10:49 pm

    You’ll see the Mets and Yanks agree to a trade right after the Matsui-Papi deal goes down . . .

  104. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 10:50 pm

    Rob NY – i think you should re-read the posts in here then. the people in here would be throwing a party if moose got moved or fell off a cliff and the yanks didnt have to pay him. IMO, that is pathetic.

  105. Shamus December 4th, 2007 at 10:50 pm

    Yeah, easy on the Moose.

    Everyone says Aaron Boone won that 03 ALCS game seven… Or Giambi’s two HR, or Jorge with that 2-R double.

    It was Moose that came into a 4-2 game with no outs and runners on the corners and shut down the Sox. Of course, fat Boomer wells gave up that Ortiz dinger to give them a 5-2 lead, but we remember how it ended…

    Ahhhh, the glory days.

    But in my opinion, it was Moose that won that game for them with his performance out of the pen, NOT Giambi, Boone, Jorge, Bernie, etc…

  106. John Z December 4th, 2007 at 10:50 pm

    Do you guys actually believe that Pelfrey for Mussina garbage? Can’t believe its inspired a real debate.

    Would you believe me if I said Bobcat told me that the Cardinals were considering dealing us Pujols for Shelly & Eric Duncan?

  107. dontfirecash (though if he trades Phil, I might reconsider) December 4th, 2007 at 10:51 pm

    Why stop at Pelfry. Let’s get Gomez and Martinez while we are at it. Throw Reyes in there as well. Moose is worth it right?

  108. Jonathon December 4th, 2007 at 10:51 pm

    he is and always has been my type of player.

    So your type of player is someone who alway does just enough to lose, complains when things don’t go exactly the way he wants, has more excuses than Hankee has billions, throws his teammates under the bus and hasn’t done anything to distinguish himself in pinstripes?

  109. Joba the Great December 4th, 2007 at 10:52 pm

    Pujols would fill the first base hole . . .

  110. Mike R. December 4th, 2007 at 10:52 pm

    Moose and Michael Kay for Gary Cohen

  111. Rob NY December 4th, 2007 at 10:53 pm

    Yeah moose is a good dude… but if you can trade him for pelfrey throw pelfrey in a santana trade and go ape than like i said…. thanks for the memories and good luck mike. Enjoy the times crossword in queens.

  112. Grant December 4th, 2007 at 10:53 pm

    Rob NY, Michael Kay it an idiot.

  113. sunny615 December 4th, 2007 at 10:53 pm

    It’s also interesting to note that Moose was still recovering from a hamstring injury during the season and wrapped his legs every game which affected his mechanics. If he builds leg strength over the winter and we don’t get anymore retarded “director of performance enhancements”, I think moose will make a good recovery.

    That said… both Joba and Hughes will more than likely be on IP or pitch count limits so we may need a Moose.

  114. Jonathon December 4th, 2007 at 10:53 pm

    People read what they want to read, just like they hear what they want to hear…

  115. Rocco December 4th, 2007 at 10:53 pm

    Shamus

    that was 4 years ago. I don’t think mussina has much left and if we can get something for mussina i say take it.

  116. mike f December 4th, 2007 at 10:53 pm

    “Moose and Michael Kay for Gary Cohen”

    now THAT trade i like!!

  117. Shamus December 4th, 2007 at 10:54 pm

    We’re not really talking Moose for Pelfrey…

    Is his an acid flashback or something I’m having form college ?

  118. bartap December 4th, 2007 at 10:54 pm

    Is Mussina latin?

  119. mikey December 4th, 2007 at 10:55 pm

    No way cash trades moose for pelfrey – pelfrey is overrated

  120. KevinKM December 4th, 2007 at 10:55 pm

    pete wahat is phil’s email address

    PFranchise@yanks.com?

  121. Joba the Great December 4th, 2007 at 10:55 pm

    That’s right: Moose for Pelfrey + acid!

  122. Sylvia December 4th, 2007 at 10:55 pm

    Don’t worry kids.you still stay in NY because yankees faded away santana’s deal.

  123. sharp shooter December 4th, 2007 at 10:55 pm

    Phil If by ~a remote possibility~ you do go to the twins and the Yankees ever have a chance to get you back, negotiate a full no trade clause in your contract with the twins and reject any offers from other teams that they present.Then when you’re a free agent come back home,you know the Yankees will take care of you.Phil, remember the team you come back to needs players,don’t decimate the team in order to come back.

  124. Jonathon December 4th, 2007 at 10:55 pm

    Moose = a$$

  125. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 10:56 pm

    Jonathan,

    Moose has done his part every year (except last) and to the best of my knowledge was outstanding in the playoffs. its not his fault they didnt win any rings.

    i am not saying he cant be traded, just pretty weak for everyone to be ridiculing the guy

  126. Yazman December 4th, 2007 at 10:56 pm

    Phil Hughes — it would be a pleasure to see you on this blog anytime. About the worst thing anyone’s said about you here is that they’d trade you for the best pitcher in baseball (not too shabby). I think most folks here don’t want to trade you even for Santana! It’s both your talent, and how you handle yourself with class.

    I took my sons to a Trenton Thunder playoff game — you struck out 13 in 5 innings, leading the way to a win. Looking forward to many great PH moments at Yankee Stadium.

  127. Rocco December 4th, 2007 at 10:56 pm

    how about Mussina and Giambi for Pelfrey?

  128. Joba the Great December 4th, 2007 at 10:57 pm

    Yeah, but if we deal Moose for acid, it might make watching Farnsworth easier.

  129. Rob NY December 4th, 2007 at 10:57 pm

    whats giambi gunna do for the mets in that deal….. play the bench?

  130. Shamus December 4th, 2007 at 10:58 pm

    Show me where thats being reported… A caller on a radio show?

    Yeah, up here on WEEI today, a guy said he didn’t see why they had to give up one of Ellsbury, Lester or Buchholz for this ‘Santana’er fella’.

    “Shouldn’t a deal of (not kidding here) Hansen and Delcarmen get it done, maybe with Manny thrown in?”

    I almost drove off the road laughing…

    Seriously, Pelfrey for Moose? Who is going to buy all the beer for the team bus rides on the road trips? Half the rotation will be under 21

    (I know, I know, was just kidding…)

    But still, IF this deal was true, WHAT would the hell would they do with Pelfrey?

  131. sunny615 December 4th, 2007 at 10:58 pm

    Rob NY
    December 4th, 2007 at 10:57 pm
    whats giambi gunna do for the mets in that deal….. play the bench?
    ———–
    isn’t that what he does already?

  132. dontfirecash (though if he trades Phil, I might reconsider) December 4th, 2007 at 10:58 pm

    Moose and Carl Pavano’s Porsche for Mike Pelfry?

  133. Mister Delaware December 4th, 2007 at 10:59 pm

    “whats giambi gunna do for the mets in that deal….. play the bench?”

    Does he have the range?

  134. mike December 4th, 2007 at 10:59 pm

    No way I give up giambi’s bat for pelfrey – cash please say no

  135. Rocco December 4th, 2007 at 10:59 pm

    Rob NY

    it was a joke.

  136. Paul Zuvella December 4th, 2007 at 10:59 pm

    Those good ‘ole days were a hell of a lot better than mine!

  137. Chris NY December 4th, 2007 at 10:59 pm

    “if he finds a way to stay healthy.” Has Hughes had a history of injuries prior to last year?

    I know when he pulled the hamstring he said he had a similar thing only once when he was in High School, but has he had any real injury problems outside of that and last year?

  138. Jonathon December 4th, 2007 at 10:59 pm

    Wasn’t outstanding in the playoffs this year (or any of the previous 4 for that matter). In fact the two runs he gave up in relief in Game 4 happened to be the difference in the game.

    Like I said…just enough to lose.

  139. sunny615 December 4th, 2007 at 11:00 pm

    Shamus
    December 4th, 2007 at 10:58 pm

    But still, IF this deal was true, WHAT would the hell would they do with Pelfrey?
    ————-
    I hear Arod needs a new shoe shine boy.

  140. John Z December 4th, 2007 at 11:01 pm

    Where o where, has….

    Randy Levine gone?

    Is he not supposed to be an expert at tough negotiations? Is his role limited to bashing St. Joe and making snide comments at press conferences?

  141. Rob NY December 4th, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    night guys… contracts midterm in the morning need my beauty sleep…. somebody figure out a trade thatll keep joba kennedy hughes and cano and still land us kazmir….. i dare you

  142. rodg12 December 4th, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    Baseball Tonight Special – ESPN2 at 11:15 ET, just a heads up.

  143. Shamus December 4th, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    Hey Pelfrey… Go get your shinebox!

  144. thebigthree December 4th, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    first off, i think it’s fair to say that most people on here would only consider parting with hughes for santana. if hughes is traded for haren, it will be a dark day for us.

    that being said, even for santana, i’d still rather keep hughes. yeah, santana is the best in baseball. but hughes is a yankee through and through, and i know i will have so much more fun rooting for a guy that came through the organization (a la derek jeter and mo) and a guy who i watched develop from a high school draft pick into the best pitcher in the minors.

    hughes deserves a shot as a yankee. he’s got the entire package, and i would love to see him in pinstripes for his entire career.

  145. sunny615 December 4th, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    Chris NY
    December 4th, 2007 at 10:59 pm
    “if he finds a way to stay healthy.” Has Hughes had a history of injuries prior to last year?
    I know when he pulled the hamstring he said he had a similar thing only once when he was in High School, but has he had any real injury problems outside of that and last year?
    ———–
    in 04 he had a shorted season due to elbow soreness/tired arm depending on whom you believe

    in 05 he had shoulder soreness (which some people claim indicates the beginnings of a torn labrum)

    but I wouldn’t call any of these major injuries… brackman, sanchez, and malencon had major injuries… go under a knife, it’s major.

  146. Mike R. December 4th, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    What if we trade Moose and the Squirrel for Pelfrey?

  147. frank December 4th, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    I heard the moose for pelfrey rumor as well although no confirmation from cash or minaya yet

  148. Rocco December 4th, 2007 at 11:03 pm

    mussina + giambi + pavano for kazmir.

  149. rodg12 December 4th, 2007 at 11:03 pm

    Levine was probably stuffed in a closet somewhere for months just to save the Yanks the PR trouble they’d have if they trotted him back out after the Torre debacle.

  150. dontfirecash (though if he trades Phil, I might reconsider) December 4th, 2007 at 11:04 pm

    Mike R,
    No way in hell I trade the squirrel.

  151. Jonathon December 4th, 2007 at 11:04 pm

    What if we trade Moose and the Squirrel for Pelfrey?

    LMFAO

  152. Tomy Gun December 4th, 2007 at 11:05 pm

    Shamus — lol

    Sometimes these folks here call EEI with trades that you’d couldn’t do in video games. Today during the Big Show a guy called up and that Santana is not worth any of the Red Sox prospects. They blew him up!

  153. Shamus December 4th, 2007 at 11:05 pm

    Tina ‘I’d like to service’ Cervaiso and Gordon Edes are on NESN now.

    Edes said “Sox were out to dinner and are set to be holding a massive meeting in Theo’s suite tonight at midnight. Theo was very calm today. If I had to guess, I think Johan will be wearing a Red Sox hat in 2008.”

    Yada yada yada, compared it to Pedro deal of winter 97…

  154. The mighty C's December 4th, 2007 at 11:05 pm

    Yanks should trade Hughes and get him back when his arm’s strong enough to pitch an entire season. Get us an ace now rather than “roll the dice” on a possible one.

    Joba will be our ace anyways.

  155. Shamus December 4th, 2007 at 11:06 pm

    Damn Hazel Mae is stacked.

  156. dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:06 pm

    Moose easily becomes the mets #1 starter maybe 2 if pedro is healed. If I were cashman, I’d ask for more that pelfrey for the moose. Moose is great insurance if one out 5 go down; plus he is great out of the bullpen come october

  157. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:07 pm

    dave,

    true… what are the odds none of the yanks starters get hurt?

  158. Dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:07 pm

    I hope santana doesnt get traded and just becomes a free agent next off-season. I am sick and tired of this whole thing. What a giant waste of time? If the twins accept lester, crisp and those two prospects they are insane. The yanks were so clearly the better package – any one in the world can see that. Scouts, fans, GMs, the media – i havent heard anyone say the sux have the better offer out there. This doesnt make any sense.

  159. pat December 4th, 2007 at 11:09 pm

    MLB.com

    “Mahay’s agent, Lonnie Cooper, said he expected his client might land a deal before the end of this week. The Yankees are believed to be one of the teams willing to provide the left-handed reliever a three-year deal worth at least $12 million.”

  160. Master Wangkee December 4th, 2007 at 11:09 pm

    I just noticed Pelfrey’s WHIP from last year…in the NL no less

    ewwww.

  161. Shamus December 4th, 2007 at 11:09 pm

    Midnight at the oasis
    Email|Link By Amalie Benjamin, Globe Staff December 4, 07 09:47 PM
    The Red Sox front office types have been at dinner for the time being, putting a hold on trade talks. But they will convene at the organization’s suite here in the Opryland hotel at midnight.

    Presumably that would place the movers and shakers on standby for further trade talks with the Twins.

    Could be another long night…

  162. mel December 4th, 2007 at 11:09 pm

    Shamus,

    Does your wife know you’re using that kind of language while using her laptop? lol

  163. Davy December 4th, 2007 at 11:09 pm

    So I am guessing this Tigers trade gives us leverage in Santana talks for two reasons:
    1) If they were thinking about competing in 2008 with Santana, this is a big blow to that chance:
    The Twins are a nice little team with Francisco Liriano coming back healthy and the room to let Delmon Young grow into an impact hitter. They also scored just 718 runs last year and were next-to-last in slugging. They are in the wrong league to think it makes sense to keep Santana to make a playoff run. So where does Santana end up? With the Yankees or Red Sox, of course.

    2) They might realize they can’t really win or make the playoffs in the immediate future (08, 09), and might think about rebuilding for 10, 11, 12 and ask the Yankees to part with higher ceiling younger prospects such as Jesus Montero, Dellin Betances, Jackson, Tabata as opposed to Hughes/Kennedy/Melky

  164. greg December 4th, 2007 at 11:09 pm

    Dave are you nuts. Moose for pelfrey is a no brainer

  165. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 4th, 2007 at 11:10 pm

    “It’s tough to tell,” said Epstein. “It takes two teams to make a trade. I know there’s been a lot of speculation out there that we’re close to something big, but until we actually reach agreement, then we’re not that close.”

    LOL I love this quote, it sounds like, “oh sh** it wasn’t suppose to go down this way, Hank save me sell your farm dammit sell it !!!!.. “we’re still talking”, “dammit help me here big mouth Hank !! -Bill Smith

  166. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:10 pm

    According to FOXSports.com’s Ken Rosenthal, the Diamondbacks failed to respond to Oakland’s demands for Dan Haren after receiving a list of players from the team.

  167. hughesian bias December 4th, 2007 at 11:10 pm

    hate to break it to you but hughes is better than joba.

  168. Tomy Gun December 4th, 2007 at 11:10 pm

    Hazel Mae I? That is a stupid comparison by Edes. The sox traded american idol and tony armas junior for pedro. Both were considered the best prospects in the organization at the time. OOPS

    But the proposed deal is not for the red sox top two prospects, it is for their numbers 3-7.

  169. Scott - Vegas December 4th, 2007 at 11:11 pm

    Gotta save the squirrel. That’s a deal breaker right there.

  170. Irabu's Son December 4th, 2007 at 11:11 pm

    Pete,

    Well-done and thanks for this post. Might be my favorite blog post of all time.

    Can you post the e-mail you sent Hughes?

  171. Catherine December 4th, 2007 at 11:12 pm

    These people with this “Joba will be our ace” crap.

    We havent even SEEN Joba start. Yeah he did in the minors but not on a major league level. He was so babied this year with the middle of the inning rules, men on base, etc that we didnt see much. Now, yes, he was pivotal to the Yankees and was clearly dominant. But before we go out and get our new Joba shirts let’s remember who saved the Yanks in game 3 and stop throwing Hughes under the bus. He will be BETTER than Joba.

  172. Rebecca--Optimist Prime December 4th, 2007 at 11:12 pm

    I need motivation to write my paper. Help me.

  173. dontfirecash (though if he trades Phil, I might reconsider) December 4th, 2007 at 11:13 pm

    I don’t care who is better, Joba or Hughes. All that matters is that both of them are pitching for the Yanks.

  174. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:13 pm

    Catherine.,,

    throwing Hughes under the bus?

    hahahahaahahahah

  175. bskul December 4th, 2007 at 11:14 pm

    joba has better stuff, but hughes has poise and when he’s healthy, can be very good. I believe both will be very good, but I’m just not sure it’s going to be a for sure thing next season. I could see them both struggling for sure.

  176. frank mich December 4th, 2007 at 11:15 pm

    Wstk in nashville just reported that the sox have reserved the main ballroom at opreyland for a 2:00 conference tomorrow – not good if your a yankees fan; good if your hughes

  177. Jay December 4th, 2007 at 11:15 pm

    Stop abusing E-mail privileges, Pete. And it’s proper form to correct spelling and punctuation on return E-mails if you post them to a web site.

  178. Shdw December 4th, 2007 at 11:16 pm

    I’m very happy Hughes is still with us. I don’t care whether or not he becomes a true ace next year. As long as he continues to develop and improve like he has been, I want him on the team.

  179. John Z December 4th, 2007 at 11:16 pm

    No disrespect to Phil, whom we all love, but Joba’s natural talent is on a different level. Joba has legitimate hall of fame “stuff”. Does that mean he will be a hall of famer, or even an ace; or even win 100 games in the bigs? No. But guys, c’mon, if any prospect in baseball has “ace” stuff, its Joba.

  180. Catherine December 4th, 2007 at 11:16 pm

    Boston Dave,
    In the past few days people have actually said things along the lines of “Give Hughes for Santana, he’ll be good, but Joba will be our ace anyway.” That is the most ridiculous thing considering one of them has started a major league game and the other hasn’t…

  181. sunny615 December 4th, 2007 at 11:16 pm

    hughesian bias
    December 4th, 2007 at 11:10 pm
    hate to break it to you but hughes is better than joba.
    ———
    I dunno, I’m going to take that with a grain of salt because, call me crazy here, but I think you may be a little biased…

  182. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:17 pm

    Catherine… ok… makes more sense with the extra context.

  183. Jonathon December 4th, 2007 at 11:17 pm

    You can always not write the paper, pay someone to do it for you, get caught, be brought up on charges on violating the code of student conduct, be expelled, and wind up homeless on the street with no job or family or future.

    But at least you’ll have the Yankees and the memory of the night you spent hours looking at mindless comments on all the non-news coming out of the 2007 winter meetings.

  184. Shamus December 4th, 2007 at 11:17 pm

    Night all…

    Can’t do it anymore.

    Living in the Redneck Backyard of Red Sox Nation, Maine, I’ll hear the ‘Yankees suck’ chants out my window if the trade happens tonight.

    I’ve already had over 40 texts tonight from ‘friends’ (the same ones that thought they were getting A-Rod a month ago) about Johan and how great a five-peat will be….

    Ugh….

    Obla-di, Obla-da, life goes on, ON, yadda yadda life goes on…

  185. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:18 pm

    but most in here (IMO) are overvaluing hughes if anything. i think he is getting more love on this blog than anywehre else ever

  186. dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:18 pm

    Wfan is also reportin 2:00 conference by boston

  187. Catherine December 4th, 2007 at 11:18 pm

    Joba’s great but can we all jump off the “Joba will be our ace” bandwagon until he at LEASTS starts a game?

  188. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:19 pm

    Shamus

    where i am, they light off fireworks AND the yankees suck chant… and my phone rings off the hook with calls and texts

    nite

  189. Blargh December 4th, 2007 at 11:19 pm

    Just to nitpick, but when referring to the Steinbrenner fortune, use billion, not billions. Remember, singular xP
    (according to the Forbes list of 400 richest Americans as of September this year, King George is worth about 1.3 billion)

  190. Master Wangkee December 4th, 2007 at 11:19 pm

    If Boston announces Johan Santana at 2 tomorrow, what is plan B? Go with the kids or try to trade for an upper echelon pitcher?

  191. mike f December 4th, 2007 at 11:20 pm

    “but most in here (IMO) are overvaluing hughes if anything. i think he is getting more love on this blog than anywehre else ever”

    sorry we’re over valuing hughes when according to you we should be exalting moose…

  192. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:21 pm

    Blargh,

    what was the 2007 yanks revenue or net income? just curious…

  193. bskul December 4th, 2007 at 11:21 pm

    fact of the matter is, boston is the best team in baseball and they have just gotten way better, by getting santana for a ridiculous package. yanks probably won’t make the playoffs this season, which is a joke considering they have the highest payroll in baseball.

  194. frank December 4th, 2007 at 11:21 pm

    Just heard gammons confirm that deal is done contingent on johann agreeing to an extension

  195. alvaro espinoza December 4th, 2007 at 11:21 pm

    Jonathon December 4th, 2007 at 10:51 pm

    he is and always has been my type of player.

    So your type of player is someone who alway does just enough to lose, complains when things don’t go exactly the way he wants, has more excuses than Hankee has billions, throws his teammates under the bus and hasn’t done anything to distinguish himself in pinstripes?
    ————————————————–

    well, yes and no. i like him because he reminds me of me, as both a pitcher (though i won’t even pretend i was good enough to play beyond varsity hs) and as a person–for better or for worse.

  196. Mr. GoodKat December 4th, 2007 at 11:22 pm

    It could be to announce a Coco Crisp trade, if the Santana deal were that far ahead, ESPN…SI…etc. would pick up on it.

  197. rodg12 December 4th, 2007 at 11:22 pm

    Where frank???

  198. sunny615 December 4th, 2007 at 11:22 pm

    For all you Bedard lovers (myself included):

    From Joel Sherman of the NYPost:
    “Angelos has, for now, gone along with MacPhail’s plan. However, his one order was that Bedard not be traded into the AL East, which means the Yankees and Red Sox – though interested – are not in play. “

  199. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:22 pm

    mike f -

    apples and oranges

    you are a phony who roots for a guy and says “you’re my boy!!” but at the moment you think they arent good anymore its “dont let the door hit you on the way out”

    mike f… your new name on the blog is Dan Duquette. and mike mussina is “in the twilight” of this career.

    wait, did i say phony? i meant ahole

  200. alvaro espinoza December 4th, 2007 at 11:23 pm

    Blargh: if you want to get technical 1.3 is considered plural.

  201. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:24 pm

    The Rangers met with the Twins on Tuesday and it’s believed Johan Santana was at least briefly discussed.

  202. The mighty C's December 4th, 2007 at 11:24 pm

    Didn’t Wang save the Yankees in 05 and 06? How did he do in 07?

    Wang had a near perfect game against Seattle this season while Hughes had a near perfect game. Who’s a better pitcher for the future?

    Wang: “I want to stay a Yankee forever”.please!

    Hughes is expendible when dealing with the likes of Santana.

  203. mel December 4th, 2007 at 11:24 pm

    O.K. it makes sense that Boston would reserve a ballroom for a press conference to announce something big. But what will they reserve if they actually come to terms? A football stadium?

  204. eric December 4th, 2007 at 11:25 pm

    Pete, get gammons on asap – he confirmed the trade on nesn

  205. Mike R. December 4th, 2007 at 11:25 pm

    I think if Santana signs a 6 year $150 M extension that pretty much assures that the Indians will not be able to retain Sabathia. It is possible he could become available. This of course if purely speculative.

  206. myrtlebeachfan December 4th, 2007 at 11:25 pm

    PETER ABRAHAM!

    Sir, please, give the link to this post to Cashman, to Steinbrenner. Let them know what their fans think.

    HUGHES IS A HOMETOWN HERO. HE IS OUR FUTURE.

    WE LOVE PHIL HUGHES. AND WE WANT HIM TO STAY.
    Offer Kennedy + more but NOT OUR PHRANCHISE PLAYER!

  207. Loserbob December 4th, 2007 at 11:25 pm

    I highly doubt the majority of Yankee fans have the stomach and patience to watch a pitcher “develop” into an ACE. There’s really no precedent in having a pitcher becoming dominate in his first full year. Clemens is probably the only one in last 20 years and it wasn’t until his 3rd year he broke out.

  208. The mighty C's December 4th, 2007 at 11:26 pm

    sorry, should read…

    Wang had a near perfect game against Seattle this season while Hughes had a near “no-hit” game. Who’s a better pitcher for the future?

  209. bskul December 4th, 2007 at 11:26 pm

    December 4, 2007. The day the Sox built a dynasty.

  210. Dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:27 pm

    God,
    I hope this is all a bluff or posturing or some crap like that. I cant imagine if i wake up tomorrow and Johan is a freaking sock. What the heck is going on here? We need an ace, boston doesnt. We offered the best deal. Boston was just in the deal to raise the stake for the yanks. They dont even want to give him the money he wants. Hughes is clearly a million times better than lester. The deal the socks offered is actually a steal. Hank is a moron for imposing this deadline. Cash is a moron if he isnt doing anything about this. This one trade is going to alter the fate of the entire season and hank is going to stay out of it cuz of his ego. I cant imagine this is even true. This is soo ridiculous. I have no idea what is going on here. Nothing makes sense and i dont know what is truth and what is lies.

  211. Mister Delaware December 4th, 2007 at 11:28 pm

    Mike R: Sabathia in 2009 is done deal. In my head. All the more reason to hold PH.

  212. mike f December 4th, 2007 at 11:28 pm

    boston dave you certainly are charming as well as intelligent. i thank you for the kind words and look forward to your next pronouncements.

  213. mel December 4th, 2007 at 11:28 pm

    December 4, 2007. The day the Sox built a dynasty.

    Good, then the rest of the baseball can stop obsessing with the Yankees.

  214. Blargh December 4th, 2007 at 11:29 pm

    Boston Dave: Unfortunately, couldn’t find the 2007 revenues yet; perhaps not released yet?

    But here’s 2006: http://www.forbes.com/lists/20....._Rank.html
    Yanks revenue that year would be 302 million (at the time of the article, April this year, the Yanks were worth 1.2 billion as listed)

  215. Rebecca--Optimist Prime December 4th, 2007 at 11:29 pm

    Jonathan: I always do my own work. I write fiction, so plagarism to me is worse than murder.

    Well, almost.

  216. anawfuloffseason December 4th, 2007 at 11:29 pm

    Those 3 kids (joba, hughes, kennedy) better be VERY VERY good or holding on to them will be the thing that sets back this team for years to come.

    And if Cashman really refused to include a good, but far from great, prospect in Horne, then he has lost his mind.

  217. rodg12 December 4th, 2007 at 11:29 pm

    How about some links people??

  218. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:30 pm

    Blargh,

    thanks… will check that out

  219. bskul December 4th, 2007 at 11:30 pm

    dave, he is a sock. the trade has been agreed upon. Santana is a Red Sock. Cashm.oron is sitting on his couch with his hands down his pants, realizing how much of a m.oron he is.

  220. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:31 pm

    bkul

    link please?

  221. rodg12 December 4th, 2007 at 11:31 pm

    I call BS on the Gammon call. He’s on Baseball Tonight live right now and has been for the past 15 min.

  222. Cashman stinks December 4th, 2007 at 11:31 pm

    So Boston already has an ace…a guy that’s leaps and bounds better than anybody on the Yanks staff in Beckett. And now they get another ace…another guy who’s better than anybody on the Yanks staff.

    Good grief, this offseason is a disaster.

  223. Mister Delaware December 4th, 2007 at 11:32 pm

    You should stop being a fan, bskul.

  224. 27for27 December 4th, 2007 at 11:32 pm

    Rebecca–
    Jhat is your paper on?

  225. bskul December 4th, 2007 at 11:33 pm

    and if it’s b/c cashmoron didn’t want to include horne or jackson, he deserves to lose his job RIGHT NOW. No excuse for those prospects to have held up that deal. NONE.

  226. lil' m December 4th, 2007 at 11:33 pm

    Phil, u rock – behind u all the way. Franchise 4-ever!!!

  227. alvaro espinoza December 4th, 2007 at 11:33 pm

    Loserbob: Not sure how you’re defining first full year, because I would consider a mid-season call-up (or switch to the rotation) a full year if it were early enough. That said, just recent guys off the top of my head, I’d say Weaver, Liriano, Verlander in 2006; Hamels, Lincecum in 2007. And only since he’s been in the news, Dontrelle Willis.

    Dominate may be a strong word for some of these guys, but I’d be happy with any of these results being replicated (wear and tear aside).

  228. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:34 pm

    good post alvaro….

  229. Boston Dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:35 pm

    The Diamondbacks are listening to offers for Jose Valverde, according to ESPN’s Enrique Rojas.

  230. Jonathon December 4th, 2007 at 11:35 pm

    Blargh…thanks for the heads up on the plural form of billions.

  231. Jonathon December 4th, 2007 at 11:35 pm

    I mean billion

  232. Dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:36 pm

    We are NEVER going to get haren or bedard. Orioles wont trade within the division and the A’s will ask the yankees for the moon and the stars – billy beane has ridiculous demands and haren is cheap for whicver team may get him, very cheap. Even tho he is half the pitcher that santana is because of the price and yrs he will prolly ask for the double the quality of prospects. Hank is an egotistic little %^*^ who clearly cares far more about his public persona than the team and the fans and the franchise over the next five yrs. I can see if the angles were haggling with the twins he could step out but its our division rivals and we can beat what they are offering. If for nothing more, drive up the price as the soxx were doing to us. I dont even think they wanted the guy, i think it was more they were driving up the price for us and were stunned when the twins accepted and the yanks walked out of negotiations. That is how it feels. Just go back into that room. Swallow ur pride once again and stop making some stupid @$$ deadlines. They dont help, they are foolish, u are an absolute moron hank just STOP TALKING. Let cash do the talking and u just tell him to go back in. I am sooo pissed at this.

  233. Mike R. December 4th, 2007 at 11:36 pm

    The only reason that Sabathia did poorly in the playoffs is because of fatigue. The guy was closing in on 250 innings and pitching against some great lineups. I’d be happy if we added him next year.

  234. Nick in SF December 4th, 2007 at 11:37 pm

    Phil wants to stay… I feel like crying.

    I pray to the squirrel that we get a Phil vs. Johan head-to-head matchup in 2008 — with Phil in pinstrips.

  235. Dave December 4th, 2007 at 11:40 pm

    damn u sox, damn u twins, damn u stein, damn u cash, damn u johan i hate u all good nite

  236. JMAC December 4th, 2007 at 11:41 pm

    Btw, does anyone know if philiphughes.net is really Philly Franchises site? A little Schilling like, but would be interesting to see what he has to say. I’m too lazy to read his site if it is not legit.

  237. Sam December 4th, 2007 at 11:41 pm

    “I pray to the squirrel that we get a Phil vs. Johan head-to-head matchup in 2008 — with Phil in pinstrips.”

    Yeah, I can’t wait to see Boston tee off on Hughes and his 91 mph straight “fastballs” and his rolling curveballs. Ugh…

  238. Roger December 4th, 2007 at 11:42 pm

    Save Phil Hughes!!! We love this kid!!

  239. Mr. GoodKat December 4th, 2007 at 11:50 pm

    Yeah Save Phil Hughes! Getting the Wildcard for the next 5 Seasons is fun! :)

  240. Shdw December 4th, 2007 at 11:51 pm

    If the Red Sox really got Santana for Lester, Crisp, and some crappy thrown in prospects then they may have made one of the top 3 best deals of their entire franchise. How could they get him without giving up Ellsbury or Bucholz?

  241. roywhiterules December 4th, 2007 at 11:53 pm

    Yankees fans sure are smart, at least a great majority of those posting here. Who many bad deals must we recall before we get in our heads: Stay with the youth movement.
    For one, I think they can win.
    Secondly, it will so much more enjoyable to watch them grow even if they fall a bit short.
    The Yankees will again win the World Series when the fans, the team, the media etc. get rid of the stupidity that deems a “non-World-Series-winning-season” as a losing one. Let the Sox get Santana. Let them be the “Evil Empire With Awful Accents” And, sure, the Angels and now Detroit after tonight’s dealing should put a scare into Yankees fans.
    Good.
    I wasn’t sure the Yanks would be good enough to win in 1996 either. And, boy, that was a fun year! Bring it on…:)

  242. Mr. GoodKat December 4th, 2007 at 11:58 pm

    Isn’t the point of stockpiling young pitching like the Yankees have is to fill your rotation, but also be able to make a play for a great pitcher like Santana if they are to come available? I mean there are only 5 starting spots, no? I don’t know what some of you are planning on doing with all these guys.

    Santana- 29
    Wang- 27
    Pettitte- 35
    Joba- 22
    Kennedy- 22

    When Pettitte retires, you have Brackman, Pope, Sanchez, Bentances, etc. first round pick this season, all can step in to fill that one spot depending on who earns it.

  243. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 12:00 am

    roywhite – u wont be saying all that crap in October when we get knocked out in the first round of the playoffs again because the angles, tigers and sox all improved while we still have the same damn team without an ace. oh yea real fun I love getting knocked out in the first round, hey maybe next yr we will be so bad we wont get into the playoffs. Wont that be FUN. You and Mike fransesca talking about how much FUN it will be that with a 220 million dollar payroll and the best prospects in baseball, we somehow found a way to be the under-dog. Thas not fun – thas crap management, a bad GM and a moronic owner. That doesnt sound so fun – it sounds like the yanks will be the laughing stock once again.

  244. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2007 at 12:01 am

    Dave
    December 4th, 2007 at 11:36 pm
    We are NEVER going to get haren or bedard. Orioles wont trade within the division and the A’s will ask the yankees for the moon and the stars – billy beane has ridiculous demands and haren is cheap for whicver team may get him, very cheap. Even tho he is half the pitcher that santana is because of the price and yrs he will prolly ask for the double the quality of prospects. Hank is an egotistic little %^*^ who clearly cares far more about his public persona than the team and the fans and the franchise over the next five yrs. I can see if the angles were haggling with the twins he could step out but its our division rivals and we can beat what they are offering. If for nothing more, drive up the price as the soxx were doing to us. I dont even think they wanted the guy, i think it was more they were driving up the price for us and were stunned when the twins accepted and the yanks walked out of negotiations. That is how it feels. Just go back into that room. Swallow ur pride once again and stop making some stupid @$$ deadlines. They dont help, they are foolish, u are an absolute moron hank just STOP TALKING. Let cash do the talking and u just tell him to go back in. I am sooo pissed at this.

    __________________________________________________
    1. Are those 45 degree angles or 90 degree angles that are going after Santana?

    2. Earlier today, you were complaining about the Yankees going back on their word, but, now is’t ok.

    3. Steinbrenner did the right thing. Smith kept changing the request while Boston didn’t. The Yankees made concessions and Smith still wanted more. Then would run back to the Red Sox. When he didn’t get any more changes from the Yanks, he threatened to deal with the Red Sox again. Those ARE NOT negotiations. Generally, that’s considered extortion.

  245. hmmm December 5th, 2007 at 12:04 am

    “anawfuloffseason
    December 4th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
    Those 3 kids (joba, hughes, kennedy) better be VERY VERY good or holding on to them will be the thing that sets back this team for years to come.”

    only in the spoiled rotten demented mind of a yankee fan could someone call an offseason where the team hired a great young manager, signed the best player in baseball, signed the best catcher on the market, signed the best starter on the market, and signed the best reliever on the market “awful”

    unreal.

    seriously, go root for the mets or the sox.

    this blog has gotten really terrible the last few days.

    my apologies to the regulars who are actually not idiots.

  246. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 12:05 am

    GreenBeret7, I agree with your analysis. But Hank won’t do it.

  247. Mr. GoodKat December 5th, 2007 at 12:06 am

    ^Those three guy were already on our team, let’s stop acting like they are all of the sudden these glorious acquisitions.

    I’m sorry guys, I’m generally an optimistic, but some of guys have been drinking the Kool-Aid way too much.

  248. rodg12 December 5th, 2007 at 12:06 am

    Posted this on the Girardi thread ahead of this one, but wanted to throw it here too….

    Baseball Tonight reported Peavy agreed to a 3 yr/ 52 mill extension with the Padres tonight.

  249. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 12:08 am

    Hey greenberet,

    I wasnt complaining about the yanks going back on a deadline. I was complaining that they made one. I was complaining that our owner is a moron and our GM doesnt seem like he cares that this trade may alter the balance of power for the better part of a decade. Real funny angles angels who the hell cares? I made a typo idiot. The sox were trying to raise the cost for the yanks, now the yanks are letting the sox have him for practically nothing. They arent giving up either of their best prospects. Atleast make a better offer to raise the price for the sox. Like they were doing to us before. You dont step out of a negotiation like this to protect you ego or save face. Stein already lost all his credibility. At this point, they are gaining nothing by holding to this deadline and losing a whole lot. If stein doesnt want to be considered a moron – he should stop making these ridiculous deadlines.

  250. Mr. GoodKat December 5th, 2007 at 12:09 am

    Yankees not out of the mix:

    http://nc.startribune.com/blogs/neal/?p=288

    I learned tonight that, despite what Hank Steinbrenner says, the Twins have not been told by the Yankees that they have pulled out of the Johan Santana sweepstakes.

    The Twins are expected to hold more late-night negotiation sessions tonight, and it doesn’t look like anything is close. If something develops, we’ll post it here. But I’m going to jinx myself and predict that nothing will go down tonight. So go to bed.

    I already regret writing that….

    I still find it hard to believe that there’s not at least one L.A. team getting involved in this…

  251. hmmm December 5th, 2007 at 12:11 am

    “Those three guy were already on our team, let’s stop acting like they are all of the sudden these glorious acquisitions.”

    so what? they all became free agents and the yankees retained them.

    the 2008 yankees will be a good team.

    the sox are still the favorites (who knows, the santana deal is NOT done), but the f’ing whining on the blog has gotten unbearable.

  252. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 12:11 am

    hmmmm,
    all those guys were already one the team. And now they all cost more money and were given contracts far beyond what any other team would have offered them. This is the exact same team as last yr minus vizcaino. We havent made any improvements other than the fact that the threekids are a yr older. Only yankee fans can give cash credit for retaining our own players for contracts that were double what they made last yr. You guys dont have a little brown on ur nose – ur nose is covered in $#^*. Good job tho keep talking him up – maybe u’ll get a job with the yanks.

  253. Buddy Biancalana December 5th, 2007 at 12:13 am

    Hmmmm-

    Totally agree.

  254. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2007 at 12:13 am

    Reality Check
    December 5th, 2007 at 12:05 am
    GreenBeret7, I agree with your analysis. But Hank won’t do it.

    ____________________________________________________
    I’m no fan of Hank Steinbrenner, because I see him as a cheap copy of his father, but, I agree with this. It was time to end that BS and move on. If Boston can afford Santana and Smith, who will never be confused with Einstein, is happy…nothing you can do about it. If ever a guy tried to get fired from his job, Smith couldn’t have done a more perfect job.

  255. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 12:14 am

    Well we are letting the best pitcher in baseball slip thru our hands to the team that is our archrival and won the world series last yr and we are the team that has the MOST money and better prospects. What would u like in here? A celebration! Every yr no matter what cash does u guys are soo happy bout it. Even if its status quo or makes the team worse i dont get it.

  256. Mr. GoodKat December 5th, 2007 at 12:14 am

    The Yankees have not improved. They may slightly in the starting rotation, but nothing compared to how much the Red Sox will improve. Posada is not going to repeat that kind of year…and Jeter…Damon…Matsui…Giambi are another year older. Plus, our bullpen is a mess right now. I mean Farnsworth as our best setup guy?

    Some of you need to take off the rosy glasses and open your eyes, the Red Sox are building an empire right around your peachy garden, but keep acting like your tulip bulbs are going to grow into the world’s greatest flowers when the Red Sox already have two of the greatest flowers in Santana and Beckett that aren’t going anywhere.

  257. hmmm December 5th, 2007 at 12:15 am

    “any improvements other than the fact that the threekids are a yr older. Only yankee fans can give cash credit for retaining our own players for contracts that were double what they made last yr. You guys dont have a little brown on ur nose – ur nose is covered in $#^*. ”

    whatever.

    i was merely rejecting the notion that is has been an “awful” offseason.

    and it hasn’t.

    my nose may be brown, but you are an idiot, and at least i can wash my face. you’ll always be stupid.

  258. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2007 at 12:16 am

    Dave
    December 5th, 2007 at 12:08 am
    Hey greenberet,

    I wasnt complaining about the yanks going back on a deadline. I was complaining that they made one. I was complaining that our owner is a moron and our GM doesnt seem like he cares that this trade may alter the balance of power for the better part of a decade. Real funny angles angels who the hell cares? I made a typo idiot. The sox were trying to raise the cost for the yanks, now the yanks are letting the sox have him for practically nothing. They arent giving up either of their best prospects. Atleast make a better offer to raise the price for the sox. Like they were doing to us before. You dont step out of a negotiation like this to protect you ego or save face. Stein already lost all his credibility. At this point, they are gaining nothing by holding to this deadline and losing a whole lot. If stein doesnt want to be considered a moron – he should stop making these ridiculous deadlines.

    ___________________________________________________
    Hey..no…you were just doing as usual…same as the other two whiners BostonIdiot and Kasey..looking for every thread on hear to complain about something…nothing’s changed.

  259. Mr. GoodKat December 5th, 2007 at 12:16 am

    I don’t know it may take an icepick to chip away that 8 inch thick of brownnosing you have around your face.

  260. hmmm December 5th, 2007 at 12:17 am

    “Only yankee fans can give cash credit for retaining our own players for contracts that were double what they made last yr.”

    right, so pettitte making the same salary as last year is double?

    a-rod making the same salary is double?

    posada went from 12M to 13M.

    rivera from 11M to 15M.

    everyone DOUBLED!!!

  261. Mr. GoodKat December 5th, 2007 at 12:21 am

    Steinbrenner opened his mouth way too early on Santana, set a stupid unnecessary deadline that probably only T’d off the Twins’ GM, borderline tampered, and now we get to watch as the “price is too high” as the Red Sox waltz in, snag another ace for a garbage package, and all we do is “Save the Kids!”. Like we are really going to need 15 starting pitchers in the near future! The point in stockpiling is so that you can trade 2-3 guys if a great pitcher becomes available! Just dumb front office work all around.

  262. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 12:21 am

    hmmm,

    Oh Im stupid? Your the one that is pretending this off season is great. How exactly am I stupid again? Oh because I see the world the way it is. I see the sox getting better by getting the best pitcher in baseball while we just retain our own free agents. And what do u have to say about it: If the twins want to be dumb, lets just let them. Brilliant move- wow your such a smart guy. Keep thinking cash is a genius. Keep thinking the yanks are the best team in baseball. Its hasnt been awful but if we stay the same and the sox get santana, it isnt exactly good. Oh yea – our bullpen sucks and cash does nothing about it. Farnsworthless is our set up man. Our closer is prolly going to break down in the next yr or two. We have no viable replacement. Cash hasnt signed a quality reliever in his entire tenure nor an ace. Yet, we have spent about a billion dollars over the past five yrs.

  263. The Fallen Phoenix December 5th, 2007 at 12:22 am

    For all that the Tigers improved, am I the only one who thinks Cleveland’s still the team to beat in that division? Cleveland has better pitching both in the rotation and the bullpen (don’t forget Detroit lost Zumaya AGAIN), and while putting Cabrera in the middle of that Detroit lineup certainly makes it dangerous, Cleveland’s lineup isn’t bad, either (I’d personally expect a much better year out of Hafner, for example).

    And what has Boston done to improve this offseason? So far, Boston has done absolutely nothing. Until I see Santana with a Red Sox cap on, I’m not going to make an assumption one way or the other about that trade. But even if the Red Sox did get Santana–and yes, that would be an improvement–that doesn’t mean the Red Sox are a lock to win the World Series.

    After all, the Yankees were supposed to be a lock to win the World Series after they plucked the best player on the planet from under the Red Sox’s nose–Alex Rodriguez–and haven’t won one since. And that’s not a knock on Rodriguez, that’s just to show how unpredictable the playoffs can be.

  264. Mr. GoodKat December 5th, 2007 at 12:24 am

    BTW, Hank keeps running his mouth:

    As for Haren, a 27-year-old righthander who was 15-9 with a 3.07 ERA this season, Steinbrenner stomped on the idea of the Yankees acquiring him. Oakland general manager Billy Beane has told teams he would need to be blown away to deal Haren. He would want a similar haul from the Yankees as the Twins asked for in exchange for Santana.

    Steinbrenner called that price “ridiculous” and vowed: “It won’t happen, not with us.”
    ———————————

    What an idiot, he’s going to insult every GM in all of baseball. No wonder why everyone hates us and tries to rip us off. I would do with this clown running his mouth.

  265. Buddy Biancalana December 5th, 2007 at 12:25 am

    Dave-

    Johan is still on the Twins, he’s not on the Red Sox. If the deal gets done, then you can start whining.

  266. The Fallen Phoenix December 5th, 2007 at 12:25 am

    And Cashman already made one deal for a young reliever. What do you expect for him to do about the bullpen? Throw money at LaTroy Hawkins so he can be the next Kyle Farnsworth? Cashman won’t say anything bad about Farnsworth because that would immediately destroy any value he might provide in a trade–these GMs aren’t obligated to tell the truth to the media. Read up on some Game Theory some time–one of the best things you can do during negotiations is keep some information private so that you can make the best possible deal. You might value Farnsworth to be $0.25, but if you do that, no one is going to ask for more than $0.25 for him because they know that’s how you value him. Better to let others assume you value him at $1.00, then you might actually get a higher return on him.

    Besides, deals don’t happen in a day. There’s still two more days left in the Winter Meetings, and then another three months until pitchers and catchers report. Plenty of time to get stuff done. And if Cashman can’t find relievers in the trade market, he’ll do what the Dodgers have done the last couple of years: throw some hard throwing youngsters in the bullpen and see if they stick. It’s worked *really* well for Los Angelos the last few years, I can’t see why it wouldn’t work for the Yankees, either.

  267. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 12:26 am

    hmmm,
    arod stayed the same – he went from 15 to 30 million.
    Mo went from 10 to 15.

    Pettitte was pretty much like exercising an option – he was hardly able to be called a free agent because there was no competition in the matter. Posada also went up. Ever hear of exageration u idiot. Point is our payroll went up by at the very least 20 million and our team is the exact same.

  268. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 12:29 am

    What deal to cash make for a young reliever – Farnsworthless.

  269. The Fallen Phoenix December 5th, 2007 at 12:30 am

    Tyler Clippard to the Nationals for Albaladejo.

  270. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 12:30 am

    Im tired of talking to absolute morons – good nite

  271. Mr. GoodKat December 5th, 2007 at 12:30 am

    I can see it now…Yanks- Red Sox in the postseason….

    Game 1: Wang implodes…Beckett shuts offense down Lose 6-2

    Game 2: Pettitte pitches a big game gem…Santana shuts offense down Lose 3-1

    Game 3: Joba pitches well…but Schillling lives for another big game Lose 4-2

    Game 4: Hughes shows magic, outduels Dice-K Win 5-3

    Game 5: Beckett…game over. Lose 4-2

    Yankees lose series 4-1

    YIIIIIIPPPPPEEEEEEE!

  272. The Fallen Phoenix December 5th, 2007 at 12:31 am

    Nevermind the Yankees will probably get a chance to see Britton, who was obtained from the Orioles last year after a pretty good season for Jaret Wright, in the bullpen as well.

    And sometimes, the best moves you can make are the ones you don’t make.

  273. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 12:31 am

    yea with less than 20 major league innings. We need someone with a little major league experience. Someone who we can trust with the eighth inning

  274. Buddy Biancalana December 5th, 2007 at 12:32 am

    Dave-

    So according to you, the Yankees should let Pettitte, ARod Posada & Rivera go, & then the Yankees are a better team by lowering their payroll? What kind of logic is that?

    If you feels so strongly, you should boycott the Yankees by not attending their games or watching them on TV, why not write the Yankees a letter, since you have it all figured out.

  275. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 12:33 am

    In a five game series – u only have to win three. Wang is not our game one starter i dont think

  276. Mr. GoodKat December 5th, 2007 at 12:34 am

    That’s not Dave’s point at all.

    A poster claimed the Yankees had a great offseason. I don’t classify retaining your own as a great offseason especially when your arch-rival lands the best pitcher in baseball. We have the SAME TEAM as last season!

  277. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 12:35 am

    Buddy,

    Did i say any thing like that? If ur going to raise ur payroll by that much u hafta improve! I never said a word of that. Im just saying dont talk about how the yanks had a great off season so far or cashman is a genius if the yanks are the same team with a bigger payroll. DONT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

  278. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 12:36 am

    I LOVE HOW ONE POSTER ARGUES WITH ME – I DEFEND MY POSITION AND THEN, ANOTHER WHO AGREES WITH HIM JUST STARTS PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH PRETENDING IM SAYIN SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

  279. Jason December 5th, 2007 at 12:44 am

    I’m still wondering when Yankee fans turned into Red Sox fans. The Sox have probably traded for Johan Santana and have two certified Aces in their rotation. Let’s all run into our rooms and cry.

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m not conceding anything to Boston, unless the rules changed overnight and baseball games are suddenly played on paper instead of the field, then in that case let’s just draw a World Series trophy on that paper and call it a season.

  280. Buddy Biancalana December 5th, 2007 at 12:47 am

    How have you defended your position? Santana is still out there, your premise is that he is on the Red Sox & the Yankees lost out on him & how they have not improved. All the moves they have made are in the right direction, & they aren’t done yet. The Red Sox offer for Johan is garbage, so the Yankees should overpay just for the hell of it.

  281. Mr. GoodKat December 5th, 2007 at 12:48 am

    The Red Sox were better last season…they added the best pitcher in the game for chump change…we’ve added nothing. Do the math.

  282. Buddy Biancalana December 5th, 2007 at 12:51 am

    Ok, where’s the link for the trade?

  283. Buddy Biancalana December 5th, 2007 at 12:53 am

    Right, there isn’t one b/c the trade has not happened. Do the Math.

  284. Buddy Biancalana December 5th, 2007 at 12:55 am

    BTW, Red Sox were not better than the Yankees as evidenced by the season series, Yanks just got outplayed by the Indians.

  285. Mr. GoodKat December 5th, 2007 at 12:58 am

    The Yankees have declared themselves out of the Santana trade. No one else is competing for him besides the Red Sox, it’s not rocket science.

    Even if that were true Baracuda, the Sox are about to add the greatest pitcher in baseball. They are better if they already weren’t…and there world series trophy says they were.

  286. Phil December 5th, 2007 at 1:04 am

    Phil’s got more Cy Young’s in his future than Santana does. They better never trade him!

  287. Evil Empire December 5th, 2007 at 1:20 am

    hughes da man

  288. Kurt From Branford December 5th, 2007 at 1:35 am

    I would love it if Hughes and Joba became dominate starters and IAK as well. But Santana is a dominant starter with 2 cy youngs already. Red sox getting him is not good news and I know about the paper vs actually playing. It don’t add up for us. I hope I am wrong because on this point I would love to be.

  289. Evil Empire December 5th, 2007 at 1:40 am

    Kurt

    I agree santana in the sox rotation is filthy, but after watching this same team since 04 collapse and being knocked from playoffs and having free agent pitchers never turn out to be a thing, im ready for a change. weve all heard about cash’s farm system re-tooling and maybe he will show us what he meant. we have stud prospects in phil, joba, and ipk and who knows who will be called this yr…sanchez? horne? white? marquez?

  290. Kurt From Branford December 5th, 2007 at 1:53 am

    Ok Evil I am right there with u in the quality of these pitchers but when u talk about other free agent signed pitchers Brown was old and had lost his stuff. Randy bulky back and just plain past his prime. Pavano was a young guy and that was really a bad signing. This is Johan Santana though..One of the best in the game and in his prime at 28-29. Tough to watch him walk to the new evil empire starring Darth Schilling.

  291. Evil Empire December 5th, 2007 at 1:59 am

    ugh to think schilling could win another ws is sickening. but right now im more excited to seeing our homegrown players develop, especially with all the upside they have. were talking robby cano, potential to be a future 3 hitter in the yankee lineup, and joba/phil future yankee ace. let the kids play.

  292. myao-myao December 5th, 2007 at 4:17 am

    I hope that the soap opera of santana’s trade will end as soon as possible.

  293. Pags Fan (Nettles too) December 5th, 2007 at 5:34 am

    Now, push comes to shove, I would have made the Santana trade, but I understand and appreciate the logic not to.

    “Let’s give the players one year to see what happens – Hughes, Kennedy, Joba, Horne, Melky, AJax, etc…”

    You can make the argument that their value might never be higher than now, or you can make the argument that they’re the real deal and will only get better… and that they are the nucleus of a great future…

    Anyway, if it doesn’t work out, if they fail, all is not lost. At the end of the 2008 season, they’ll still be young with a strong upside and tradeable.

    People say the Yankees must win now, I don’t buy it.

    Also, the Yankees might not get Johan but the following players might be available as Free Agents to add to the core:

    Carl Crawford – Move Melky to LF, Crawford is a VAST improvement over Damon. The Yankees get younger and better with him. Under 30 years old.

    AJ Burnett – Solid pitcher – 2008 will prove his worth… He’ll be 31 in 2009. Ace quality.

    Vlad – Need to replace Abreu? The Yankees should have had Vlad rather than Sheffield years ago… 31 years old

    K-ROD – Begin the transition away from Mariano? A year or two with both in the pen? Under 27 years old…

    Mark Tiekeira – With him, first base is solidified for years and years. Under 30 years old…

    Oh, and people say, “THE YANKEES HAVE TO GET SANTANA. WHEN CAN YOU GET A YOUNG CY YOUNG CALIBER PITCHER? THE DEAL MUST BE MADE.”

    In addition to SANTANA himself possibly becoming a free agent if the Red Sox deal falls though, these YOUNG CY YOUNG AWARD WINNING PITCHERS will also be available:

    C.C. Sabathia

    Jake Peavy

    (and by the way, they’re both YOUNGER than Johan…)

    It is possible that Cashman is thinking along these lines. “Let’s see if the kids are what their promise looks to be, and if not, all is not lost. We can trade them mid-season for a YOUNG CY YOUNG QUALITY PITCHER, or we can add, one or two of them ANYWAY at the end of the season as free agents to solidify what we’ve developed.

    My source for the Free Agents = http://www.mlb4u.com/freeagency08.php

    Reading the “papers” today I keep reading that Kennedy and Hughes are not BIG TIME PROSPECTS. They’re over rated. “Poor work ethic, poor skills, straight fast ball…” all the critics have come out about them… Funny, a few days ago, it seems, I didn’t check specifically, that these same writers, when it looked like the kids were gone were saying, “Santana isn’t good, he wasn’t the same after the All-Star break, his September was horrible, he can’t beat the Red Sox, the Indians and Tigers crush him, he doesn’t throw his slider any longer…”

    In other words, if the kids are traded, the Yankees traded the GREATEST PITCHERS EVER for a soon to be washed up over-rated Twin. The Red Sox were brilliant to drive up the price and the Yankees look like fools again.

    But, if the kids are not traded, the Yankees kept over hyped minor leaguers and failed to get the GREATEST PITCHER SINCE SANDY KOUFAX who has thrown 800 innings over 5 years and never gets hurt and the Red Sox were brilliant for getting him because he makes them the best team EVER.

  294. Samples December 5th, 2007 at 8:13 am

    Pete,

    Can you email him back and ask how his change up is coming? For all this anguish over whether to trade him and debating his future as a potential ace, he needs to come to camp with an improved 3rd pitch.

    Also, Joel Sherman used the term “questionable work ethic” this morning with Hughes, which is the very first time I’m seeing any negative comment like that. Any truth to that statement?

  295. mike hook December 5th, 2007 at 8:53 am

    any news on the moose for pelfrey deal?

  296. Philly Franchise December 5th, 2007 at 8:56 am

    Can someone please explain to me why my name is still being thrown out there as trade bait for DAN FREAKIN HAREN! Maybe he’s a slightly more polished pitcher than me right now, but 3 years from now he’ll be 30 and I’ll be 25. Haren is also a product of Oakland, that should raise some red flags. Look what happened to Zito, Mulder, Hudson and Harden. You tell me who you’d rather have. In other news, Boston is bluffing and ESPN is collaborating in helping them scare the Yankees to sell the farm to get Santana. They have no need for Santana.

  297. Dave LaPointe December 5th, 2007 at 9:46 am

    Harden reminds me of me in my younger, pre-gut days.

  298. Buddy Biancalana December 5th, 2007 at 10:07 am

    Mr. Goodkat-

    Barracuda, very funny, are you a comedy writer?? I have been lauging over 20 mins at that comment. Looks like Johan is still a Twin, huh? If that offer by the RS was so great why aren’t the Twins biting? If the deal gets made, which it won’t then you can start crying like your buddy, Dave.

    Either way, the games during the season still need to be played, nice of you to have faith in your team though. You are a great fan.

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