Q & A with Joe Girardi
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You are a machine Pete. Keep it up!
I feel like we are in good hands with Joe G.
Damn that was long, but thanks for the post
uh, how many times did he say Obviously?
Ok well, that was pointless.
Happy to have him though
Obviously quite a few.
Was this cut and pasted from Kat O’Brien’s blog?
Could Joe have said obviously a little more?
Also any news on Detroit landing Dtrain and Miguel?
Pete, that might have been the longest post I’ve seen from you.
Worth it, though.
Geesh Pete-
That Powerbook must be tired.
He said Obviously 25 times. LOL
Hannah Montana tickets? If he can do that, coming up with a world’s championship should be a snap.
That was a lot, yet nothing.
Night all
Now I lay me down to sleep
Pray the Twins stop acting like sheep
If they agree before I wake
Pray the Sox Offer, Johan does not take
lame, i know… goodnight everyone
My bad. Just saw that Pete said it came from MLB. Thought a sports reporter had actually typed it up. But that’s too much heavy lifting for those guys…
Joe G. is smooth. Totally didn’t answer one of the questions. I read it so long ago, I don’t even remember which one it was. Thanks, Pete.
He said obvious about as much as Torre says “No question”.
What was Joe T’s favorite phrase. “Well, yeah?” “Well, you know”
a simple link would have worked pete
Joe G does say all the right things though. He’s been quite good with the media and answering or providing a response to the multitude of questions.
JT,
Maybe it was e-mailed to him?
a simple link would have worked pete
Don’t you think it is easier and more convenient to have the interview and comments all on one page? Plus external links don’t exactly help traffic.
Extension for Peavy….3 yr/52 mill
Let’s not knock Pete for providing the transcript. And let’s not get too worked up over Girardi’s remarks. He didn’t say much because (1) he can’t and (2) even if he could there is not really much to say at this point. There are still a few unresolved issued, which anyone who has paid attention at all the past few weeks knows about already. I think Girardi’s confidence in Farnsworth is refreshing although possibly misplaced. If they could move him for decent value, I would not be opposed.
Per Baseball Tonight on ESPN2 just a minute ago.
Great, Girardi said absolutely nothing of importance. This is a real dud of a winter meetings.
But it must be a great feeling to be Boston or Detroit fan. Imagine their excitement and anticipation for spring training to start. Congrats to them.
We get to look forward to seeing how slow Moose is throwing…
End game
girardi is importance!
Good talk Russ.
According to newsday the Twins wanted both hall of famers in the deal.
“The Yankees were offering Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera and a mid-level prospect. The Twins were pushing to have pitcher Ian Kennedy or pitcher Alan Horne and centerfielder Austin Jackson added to the deal.”
But now they will trade him for Coco Krispies and Fruity Pebbles.
and some Lucky Charms
I love this quote
“Our plan is to create a powerhouse,†Steinbrenner said. “We plan to do that through the draft, through Latin America, through our scouting. That’s the only way to do it to be consistent.â€
Well, they aren’t even a wild card team anymore.
Brandon,
I made a comment on one of the threads today about how the Yankees need to circle the wagons because no one’s going to help us.
Getting tired of Little Steins constant barrage of comments.
According to the star tribune, Yankees never told the twins that they had pulled out of the talks. And no deal is imminent.
What puzzles me is why do they want both Cabrera and Ajax?? That seems redundant.
If they are so turned on by Ajax maybe IPK (Instead of Hughes), Ajax, Horne, Rodriguez and/or Marquez may clinch it.
you know
You mean the Twins didn’t get the e-mail, er, text message, er, voice mail?
obviously they should’ve figured out by now that the Yankees are not players in this hand. obviously
kwary—a link?
Arod must LOVE all of this Santana talk. He is hoping that everyone will be talking about Santana for the next week and the day of Santana’s press conference Arod will sneak in his phone conference to explain opting out and his rat agent. Hoping that no one is paying attention to it anymore because it is old new.
the yankees should just cave and offer Matt DeSalvo
I can’t believe how big baseball is in NYC. This offseason is completely trumping all the other sports in season now. Have you guys seen the LoHud Giants blog? I post there occasionally and my posts actually get read because it’s usually 1 of like 7 comments. I can’t even put in one comment on this Yankees blog and another 50,000 have been added since I started writing. And it’s the freaking offseason! God, I love being a Yankees fan! And everyone’s so funny. Pete must think he’s so popular or something.
http://nc.startribune.com/blogs/neal/?p=288
no offense to him but Lavelle Neal lost all his credibility w/ his BS report on Sunday.
Twins wouldn’t accept unless Carl Pavano is in the deal
Thanks, Kwayry, gives me some hope as I head to bed. not much. But a little.
Funny how last night a million people were writing on the board non stop waiting for a Santana deal. Now that everyone knows the Yanks have a better chance of Farnsworth pitching a 1,2,3 inning then the Yanks getting him its quite now.
That ain’t funny CaptainsCorner. It’s sad.
How in God’s name are the Yankees not a Wild Card team anymore? I just don’t understand how people can post this stuff when not a single pitch has been thrown.
The Red Sox weren’t the AL East champions heading into last season, I can tell you that right now. Nor were the Tigers the AL Champions (period) heading into 2006. Nor were the White Sox World Series contenders heading into 2005.
You can anoint a favorite, if you want, but that’s not going to lead to any guarantees. The Yankees had one of the strongest teams going into the season 2002 through 2005, and have no World Championships to show for it. The Oakland Athletics had one of (if not) the best starting rotations in the American League in 2000 and 2001 and couldn’t get past the first round.
The Atlanta Braves were one of the strongest all-around teams from 1995 on through 2000—one World Championship to show for it. Had one of the best rotations of the decade, too.
...I can go on and on. But even if you want to anoint a favorite, or determine who has the best team going into the season, it’d make a lot more sense to make these predictions before Spring Training, after teams have completed making off-season deals and acquisitions and have their lineups, rotations, and bullpens set.
The Yanks will still be fielding a team and playing a 162 game schedule in 2008. You can either root for them without Santana or cry in your beer endlessly. Personally, I think rooting for the team is the way to go.
The Fallen Phoenix please stop making sensible posts. They don’t go over well on this blog.
You have to say something like I am about to say which is generally well received here.
clears throat The Yankees should just trade IPK/Gonzales/Desalvo/Karstens to Tampa for Scott Kazmir. That should get it done.
See how easy it is?
Off topic- I had to step out for a while and see my Memphis Tigers win a sloppy basketball game. But we won.
Back on topic now- That is a very good Q and A. Girardi has such an intelligent baseball mind. It’s not easy to believe that anybody can fix Farnsworth’s problems, but if there is anyone who can, Joe is the guy. Joe seems like a great motivator and the power of motivation can do wonders. It made me chuckle when I read some posts counting how many times that he said “obviously.” I guess that it beats hearing Cashman say “uh and um” every three seconds. I’m joking of course.
this interview had 25 obviouslys and 36 you knows
Why all the DeSalvo hate?
Poor Matt DeSalvo
This will be fun team to watch next year, Santana or no Santana. Some fans just need to relax and enjoy the team for what it is.
DeSalvo is no Tyler Clippard!
P.S. – People conceding the next umpteen World Series seem to be conveniently forgetting about the Tigers and the Indians. Two fantastic, well-balanced teams that could definitely beat Boston in a short (playoff) series – even with “god” Santana pitching for the Sox. In the meantime, Phil, Joba and IPK will be getting better and better. Yanks will be back to the big show, just maybe not in the next few years. I can deal with that, because I think the plan they’re following will build a great team for the long-term.
I meant to say “conceding the next umpteen World Series to the Red Sox.”
DeSalvo is no Tyler Clippard!
True.
We would never have been able to trade DeSalvo for Albalabadavacavadejo.
Is that how you spell his name? Albalabadavacavadejo?
Pheonix: it’s a combination of panic, immaturity and the plague of not knowing what one is talking about. Baseball does not lend itself to prediction. We can all try to guess how a season (or even a series) will turn out, but there are too many variables to do it effectively.
A couple of examples from this year:
1. The Yankees started out in a most putrid fashion; terrible for the first three months; double-digits behind Boston and bottom of the AL-East at one point; appeared way out of it as late as the Fourth of July. Ended up making the playoffs, played astonishingly well in the second half and came pretty close to catching the Sox at the end.
2. The Mets were in first place in the division from jump street; led all year. Had a monumental collapse and fell out of the playoffs on the last day of the regular season with Tom Glavine getting shellacked.
3. The Yankees, having made the playoffs, were widely regarded as a lock to beat the Indians; some sports talk-show folk had them sweeping the Indians. Instead, they managed to win one game and were bounced in the first round.
That’s why they play the games, folks.
Optimist Prime is not pleased with the Pessimism.
(Paper progress: One page out of six. Paper is due Thursday, so no panic, at all).
I didn’t feel like looking up his name.
Rebecca: what’s your topic?
Goodnight all. Horne should not be a roadblock. Horne should not be a roadblock. Horne should not be a roadblock. Horne should not be a roadblock. Horne should not be a roadblock. And Horne should not be a roadblock> Remember this day>.
Rebecca – Forgot to mention this last night…In your list of typical Jewish female names you missed “Esther” (which is, after all, Madonna’s favorite!). HA!!!
...for what it’s worth, Nate Silver of Baseball Prospectus-
one of the smartest analysts around, who helped develop the highly-regarded PECOTA projection system (infamous for correctly predicting the Chicago White Sox would regress to a 90-loss team this season)-considers the Red Sox, Yankees, Indians, and Tigers to be the four best teams in all of baseball right now.Personally, I think even if the Red Sox get Santana, the Indians are as good a bet to win the World Series next year: I think they’re going to have as good a rotation (perhaps a little shallower) and a better bullpen. The Red Sox’s offense might be better, depending on how Lowell, Drew, Lugo, and Varitek perform—nevermind that Ellsbury will have to prove he can put together a successful 162-game campaign, and Manny and Ortiz need to keep being the best 1-2 punch in baseball (not unlikely, but both are getting up in age).
The Red Sox aren’t the perfect team, they have some flaws other teams can exploit. I’m not about to proclaim that the Yankees have a better team than the Red Sox, especially if they can land Santana, but I just don’t see how Santana makes them invincible. The Indians had a better rotation than the Red Sox last year with two of the top five starters in the AL and a deeper bullpen, and they still lost in a seven-game series.
Nettles vs. Lee: I wasn’t criticizing. I like it.
Rebecca-
P.S. – I think you and I are some of the only people amongst the many that have posted the past few days that are fine with keeping our prospects and not getting Santana. Weird, isn’t it?
Chicago Dave: no, I’m with you and Rebecca.
I’m insulted that you all call yourselves Yankee fans (those of you counting us out!)
We have the best team even if the Sox get Johan. Their offense isn’t even close to ours. I cannot believe that you have all forgotten the team that TORE UP baseball in the second half last year. Consistently. We can do that all year next year and we have the AL East wrapped up easily. 100 wins would be a disappointment.
Maybe 98 is more realistic. But 105 isn’t far-fetched. Just because Boston will have a pitcher to take the spot of Schilling (since he SUCKS now) doesn’t mean their unbelievable now. We have always hit their big pitchers. WHat is going to change that? Boston getting a new pitcher doesn’t change how much better we are than the rest of baseball. 19 games against the REd Sox. Optimistically, we win 12. Realistically, we win 9 or 10. The other 143 games.. well we should win at least 85 of those.
I can’t believe how quickly things change.. last year people had it as a no brainer that we could make it to the World Series with what we had. Now Santana is on the market (someone we didnt think we’d get until free agency) and it’s impossible. Breathe people. The Red Sox getting slightly better every 5th day doesn’t translate to us missing the playoffs.
Whats your paper on Rebecca?
I’m still doing Coleridge
only 1.75 pages to go!
I’ve been really torn about this whole situations for the last couple days, but I’ve come to the conclusion that I’ll be happy with what happens either way (Yanks getting Santana, Yanks not getting Santana). Getting Santana puts us firmly in the driver’s seat as favorites in the AL. Watching Santana as a Yank will be a lot of fun. The Yanks will have the best pitcher in the game and the best player in the game,what more could I ask for? The team could have the feel of the ‘98 team where you know on any given day the Yanks should win. If the Yanks don’t get Santana, we’ll probably be playing the role of the underdog (especially if he goes to the Red Sox). Rooting for the underdog can be a lot of fun, especially with the kids being in the rotation and still being able to watch the best player in the game. The season could have more of the feel of the ‘96 team that wasn’t supposed to do much but ended up shocking the world. Either way, I’m a huge Yanks fan and will live and breath the Pinstripes all next summer, enjoying as many moments as possible.
Andrea – Props to you!!! I’m so happy you’re in our little club! (I always thought you had a good head on your shoulders…except for all that DeSalvo/Bruney nonsense, of course!!
)
Chicago Dave,
I also am glad we keep Hughes. I also have a great outlook on life.
Chicago Dave- Count me in as well. I’m perfectly fine with keeping the youngsters and letting things play out.
Chicago Dave: They are VERY nice boys! I never said they were good pitchers. Just cause I don’t freely admit that they are bad pitchers doesn’t mean I think they’re good ones.
I like keeping the prospects. The kids are what made this otherwise miserable year a fun one to watch.
Rebecca and Dan, “If the winter comes, can spring be far behind”. That was the subject of me thesis.
The team as it stands now is pretty good and will compete, but adding Santana to the rotation will only help. If the yankees can take out both Hughes and Cabrera from the deal and package something around IPK, Ajax and Horne, plus another minor leaguer, why is that so bad?
I have a feeling that the Sox do not want to trade for Santana, reading the Boston Globe makes it sound like “sox would turn into the Yankees” if they did that. They also said that Ellsbury’s value will (Please note that they said WILL and not MAY)never be higher.
If they were going to make it hurt for us to get Santana, we might as well return the favor
OK, now I feel like sanity is returning to this board. Hallelujah!!! Now I can sleep much better…THANKS!!!
No “the”. sorry.
let me revise. The entire season wasn’t miserable. But the parts that were, the young players made it fun to watch.
Phoenix, I’ll agree that Ramirez started showing his age, this past season. As for Ortiz, he’s not all that old. He’s only 32. The real concern is….as an example. during the Macy’s Parade, security was alerted that the Red Sox entry, the Davis Ortiz balloon had broken loose from the cables and was grounded.
Andrea – Agreed. Especially Hughes’s game against Texas (except for the hammie injury, of course!), Kennedy’s start against Toronto and pretty much all of Joba except the midge infestation nonsense.
Clowns..(SOrry to insult clowns)..people like captains corner,fleas,reality check, and the rest of the Oxford braintrust.. I am sure you guys were not saying the Yanks would dominate for the next 5 yrs. when the yanks got Arod and the sux lost out..
I am sure you astute baseball minds knew that the Yanks would not win with arod for the next 4 yrs…...
So now your crystal balls and your brilliant talent evaluators know who will win for the next five yrs. while you are at it, please inform me who will win in the NL so I can mortgage my house and go to vegas and make a bet, since it is a sure thing.
for the moron fans who are upset since detroit and the sux(supposively) are making all the headlines, if headlines win games the yanks would have won a few more titles the last few yrs..so the Yankees got no new toys this offseason what a crime…
really the level of spoiled mentatlity and entitlement on this site is pretty scary.
the only good news is I know most yankee fans are smarter then the whiners who post there drivel on this site….
Sorry for the extra ”’s” in that last post. Typing late at night can get a little dicey! LOL.
I don’t think the Yankees could have gone wrong with landing Santana, but I personally favored keeping Hughes and posted more than once to that effect, I think.
...I’m going to add a little more food for thought before I turn in:
The Seattle Mariners in 2001 set an AL-record for most wins in a single season. This was after the Mariners lost Griffey, Rodriguez, and Randy Johnson the previous couple years, therefore leading most of baseball to believe the Mariners were due for a serious regression. But after shocking the baseball world and putting up one of the better single-season performances in major league history…
...they lost to the Yankees in the ALCS. In five games.
Boston wasn’t even a 100-win team last season (though they were close if you look at run-differential). It’s not likely Santana adds ten or fifteen wins to the Red Sox (although anything can happen, as my own example points out) next season, so I cannot see them being some ridiculous regular season superpower. And even if they were, there’s precedent for regular season superpowers to be felled in those pesky playoffs.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that Oakland team in 2001, which the Yankees also beat, happened to be a 104-win team. A Yankee team that won 95 games that year, but had the run differential of an 89-win team.
Just some food for thought everyone. Good night (morning).
giggles You lot are funny.
I’m writing my paper on comparing and contrasting Marian Halcombe and Laura Fairlie in Wilkie Collins’ Woman in White.
Said paper is not my thesis.
My thesis is ahem
“As a new monarch who had usurped the throne from a 500-year-old dynasty, Henry VII of England faced numerous challenges to the security of his throne. His reaction to these challenges helped to secure his legacy and establish a Tudor dynasty…through things such as financial policy, dynastic marriage and a firm hand in dealing with rebellion, Henry VII was able to strengthen his position and provide for a stable succession for his son, and a century of Tudor rule”.
breath
Stuart, I’ll agree to what you said, but,
Supposively?
Wow, Rebecca, you’re really on the cutting edge there!
Phoenix – Yep, that’s what I’m talking about! Great post!!
Rebecca: Wow, that is a mouthful! I’m grateful I majored in math.
Nice Thesis Rebecca….something I know nothing about, but nice nonetheless.
A fellow Math major here, alright!!!
First of all it is “their” drivel. But all I have been posting for th umpteenth time is that once you make the decisiuon to trade PH (which the Yankees did), you don’t let Horne slow you down. The Yankees did—that’s why they question them.
Henry VII is like Jorge Posada: One of the best EVER, but always, always, always underrated.
Seriously, look up his life…especially up to 1485. It ain’t boring.
Tomorrow the ESPN magazine comes out with Joba on the cover for winning the next best thing. So who won it in 04? Kaz Matsui. Hopefully Joba is a good one.
rodg12: nice to meet you! I messed it all up by going to law school . . .
At least the Yanks/Cashman reach out to all the other clubs and try to get a foot in the door on all the big deals. Just imagine how Joe Torre must be feeling now…The Dodgers pretty much signed him and said “we’re done.” The only major deal they’ve been tied to was Cabrera, and they bowed out of that pretty quickly, from what I understand. Joe is going to rue the day he left the Yanks. It’s a whole new world out there without the Steinbrenners’ cash and desire to win backing you up!
Yeah, but, Ellen, ain’t it nice to be able to count all of those dollars?
Didn’t LeBron win NEXT one year? It can go either way.
GreenBeret: good one! I didn’t say I was a successful lawyer, though!
Well, goodnight all, and thanks for all the optimism.
Rebecca – The Black Death was “interesting.” Tudor Kings? Hmmm…Not so much.
ellen – Ouch! I went to law shool as well, but that’s because I was clueless at math. Why did you bother with law if you had some facility with mathematics?!!
I have a friend and fellow math major who also took that route and is currently in law school. I’d never really heard of a math major going to law school prior to that but now I have another example!
Dave: I ask myself that every single day . . .
People that are good at math and go to law school end up practicing tax law…A VERY lucrative field of the law but VERY dull.
Chi Dave: Not interesting?
Dude.
Henry VII lived most of the first half of his life in exile as nothing more than a pawn. Which meant he was kind of like Melky Cabrera or Phil Hughes is to Bill Smith and Brian Cashman ATM
He then invaded England, won a crown, and ohbytheway killed Richard III.
Which would be like Melky hitting an ALCS winning HR against Josh Beckett.
rodj12: it’s actually not that rare; supposedly it’s a logic thing. You look at a legal case like a mathematical proof or something like that.
Chicago D, The Dodgers have the makings of a solid team in the NL West. Torre is the perfect kindergarten teacher for that crew. That was the problem and a large reason for him being hired.
ellen: Interesting…makes a lot of sense though.
Well all, it’s bed time for this guy. Go Yanks!!
Rebecca – Yes, but so many royal figures were pawns and/or exiles in that era…It was kind of like a rite of passage…You just weren’t “cool” as a royal unless you were usurped, used, kidnapped, held for ransom, beheaded, etc., etc. So, I personally don’t find old Henry VII all that special for his era…
And I don’t know how plausible it is to compare Yankee players to medieval royalty!
nicely done rebecca, nicely done.
Math, law, baseball. The makings of another Scott Boras.
any bobcat news?
stuart.
You are a brilliant poster, and obviously you are well versed in the english vernacular.
Please share with us all your other mental strengths.. because quite clearly calling the redsox ‘the sux’ demonstrates your only hope in getting your point a cross is by attempting to pontificate using childish nicknames.
KEEP POSTING KIDDO.
P.S. I didn’t get my master from Oxford, but I did from Harvard. Heh, go figure.. and I have been a Yankee fan since the late 70’s.
Rebecca – And Why Henry VII instead of Henry VIII? Henry VIII was way MORE of a bad-ass than his predecessor. I mean, saying “screw you” to the Pope (especially back in those days) and routinely having your wives killed in fantastic fashion…Now that’s a true character!!! HA!!
Rebecca, Most of them have been right Randy Moss, Arod, Vince Carter, Reggie Bush, LeBron, Urlacher, Yao Ming.
I have never imagined that there is a link between english history and baseball, now I know better and ready for bed.
Chi Dave:
Hey man, I try
But seriously, Henry didn’t even really have a claim to the throne. His mother had a better claim.
Have I mentioned that (when he was younger, obviously) he was pretty darn good-looking?
“Have I mentioned that (when he was younger, obviously) he was pretty darn good-looking?”
OK, now you’re scaring me just a tinch…
you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know. you know.
oh my god!!! this guy needs to stop saying “you know” so much. i won’t be able to take this all year.
Based on the above Q&A, it looks like Girardi hits softballs even better than he hit baseballs.
Good night everyone! Glad Phil is still with us!!!
Chicago Dave, at least for now anyway. Who knows what tomorrow… errr today will bring.
Chicago Dave,
Not to answer for Rebecca, but Henry VIII has been done to death by scholars. Finding the interesting person/angle/event that has been overlooked/misunderstood is the key to keeping yourself relevant. Think of it more like finding an Edwar in the indy leagues (except if he was really good) or drafting Pettitte in the late rounds.
Everyone needs to lay off Joe for saying “obviously” a lot. I’m sure that if someone transcribed one of your conversations, you would see “um,” or “like,” or “literally” just as many times. How about judging him on his knowledge of baseball or his responses as a whole, like grown-ups?
rbizzler – Very true. Honestly, I was just trying to have some good-natured fun with Rebecca, that’s all.
OK, now I’m seriously going to bed. By late morning I expect the Santana-to-Sox trade will be confirmed, but I guess we’ll see…
Chi Dave:
EVERYONE does Henry VIII. And I mean EVERYONE.
Yea, he was pretty bad ass. Yea, he killed two of his wives. But EVERYONE does him.
Hell, I can sum up his life right now:
Born 1490. Second son, raised to be a priest, not a king and thus developed interest in theology. Older brother dies six months after marriage; brother’s betrothed, Katherine of Aragon becomes his own betrothed, but the two don’t marry until Henry VII dies. KofA and him are married nigh on 20 years, have one surviving child, daughter, Mary. Eventually Henry gets bitten by the lust bug. Falls in with Anne Boleyn. Boleyn won’t actually do the do unless she’s his wife, so Henry finds random bible passage that says his marriage to KofA was actually some horrible sin (when, in fact, there’s a passage directly contracting it). Henry attempts to get a divorce the legal way, when that doesn’t work he says ‘screw the pope’ and does it his own way. Marries AB. AB has daughter, Elizabeth, then miscarries. No son. Henry is furious. Anne is executed on trumped up adultery and incest charges along with Henry Norris, Brereton, George Boleyn and two others who escape me. Anne’s execution means that Henry is free to marry his new paramour, Jane Seymour. JS has boy child, Edward, but then gets sick and dies. Henry is distraught. Marries no one for a while but is convinced to marry Anne of cleves to cement a Protestant alliance. Only one problem: Anne is ugly as a horse. Marriage fails, and the one who arranged it, Thomas Cromwell, waves bye-bye to his head. Henry next falls for Katherine Howard, not caring that KH is AB’s cousin an just as ‘loose’, shall we say. She is all but caught in the act and her head winds up on a spike. Old and gross, Henry married Katherine Parr more as a nurse than anything else. KP’s head nearly ends up on a spike, but she pleads that she’s a woman and thus her words mean nothing, so she survives his death, but not long after, because she gets pregnant by her FOURTH husband and dies after the birth.
I left a lot out. Especially the Church thing and the foreign pollicy thing, and the Thomas More thing, but it’s late.
MJL i dont think anyone is going to joe g’s face and laughing at him. we are just making jokes on a comment board. breathe easy, its only winter meetings
wow fleas since the late 70’s a fan.. this also is a baseball site not a site for english teachers to evalaute our vocabulary..
agains scholar, what was your brilliant evaluation of the arod for soriano trade??You saw championships on the horizon I am sure since you are such an astute evaluator of talent..
are you up to the yanks giving 8 players in AAA or the major league roster for santana? or only 7??also should they sign Snatana to a 6 yr contract or how about 8 yrs.since it is only money and when his contract is a albatross I am sure you will not be complaining about the bad signing..
Also when is AJax going to be that bust you are suggesting with Horne??? I assume you have seen Lowrie on the sux(since you like when I do that) and what is your evaluation of his future????
See morons like you post here and never come back to say you were wrong which occurs about 70% of the time….Go to sleep now so you can get up early and watch your cartoons, clown…..
I wonder if the Yankees could get Joe Nathan from the Twins without giving up one of the big three?
Evil Empire –
Pretty sure I didn’t say anyone was, it’s just not funny, and I’m surprised people even noticed it at all, because I certainly didn’t. It’s like when Pete talked smack about Josh Phelps out of nowhere – uncalled for and even more unfunny.
OFF TOPIC
MIGUEL CABRERA and DONTRELLE WILLIS TRADED TO TIGERS FOR 6 PLAYERS
not finalized but wow, tigers will be very good, granderson, sheff, mags, migs
Joe has the Jeter/Cashman meet the media skills. Talk alot and don’t say nothing they can use. I think he is going to be a refreshing change for the Yanks and will be tougher as well
the Tigers probably will be very good next yr. but they have gutted their depth and minor leagues..
gone or injured are Jurgens(good potential), Zumaya, maybin, miller(huge upside) and supposively 3 of there top 5 arms…
there issues are the pen and pitching depth, there lineup is great…...
Kurt,
How long has it been since you thought of Joe T.? Hard to believe he was the manager just 2 months ago.
stuart: those tigers you described sound like another team…hmm problems are bullpen and pitching depth. oh yea still the yankees! but we have better closer and a deeper but young rotation
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3142030
Hmmmm…looks like IT AINT OVER YET, FOLKS !
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=MLB&id=2993&line=227160&spln=1
The Fat Lady isn’t even in the building…..Santana ultimately ending up as Yankees is nowhere near a lock…
I don’t know why the Twins wouldn’t drag this out for a few weeks. They’d be able to get at least as good of a deal from the Yankees or Red Sox. I definitely don’t see Hughes being traded in another deal.
I doubt that Lester or Ellsbury would be traded either.
In my opinion, the Tigers trade today (along with the strength of the Indians) will complicate the Twins thinking. Should they go for younger prospects and build for 2 years from now and not the present? I would think so.
The Nick Green deal is going to shore everything up.
No more news ? it is only 4 AM ! LOL
Pinstripes PA—->
Update-9:00 p.m.
This is not really an update, more of an opinion. I think the Yankees are fine with their rotation, but the bullpen is in serious need of an overhaul. If the Yankees could add a Joe Nathan and or Damaso Marte without giving up Hughes or Chamberlain, the Yankees would become a much stronger team. Nathan would of course be ideal. If he would accept a set-up role, the Yankees could build a strong pen around Rivera, Nathan, Farnsworth, Vizcaino and Britton, not to mention someone like Alan Horne and Humberto Sanchez. Just a thought.
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I totally agree and think we should do exactly that. Marte might be easy to get since he’s been shopped for the last two years but Nathan would be a huge trade. He’s probably going to be a closer though for the Cubs or Brewers probably. If we could somehow get him as our set-up man with the thought he’d take the closing job over eventually he’d be a monster addition for us.
FRom this morning’s NY Daily News:
NASHVILLE – Even though George Steinbrenner is no longer the one to say it, Brian Cashman had better be right about Phil Hughes.
The Yankee GM, who is staking his job on his young-gun pitchers, has walked away from a 4-for-1 trade of players the Twins were agreeable to for Johan Santana at the winter meetings that included Hughes, but not Ian Kennedy (as Minnesota initially requested) or any of the Bombers’ other top prospects. By doing so, Cashman has apparently handed one of the best young pitchers in baseball to the Red Sox for a parcel of prospects that is also likely to be a far cry from the Twins’ original asking price for their premier lefthander.
But it is more than just Cashman’s belief in Hughes that suddenly put the Yankees in full retreat after Hank Steinbrenner had sounded the “Charge!” on Santana. Believe it or not, the final decision not to go through with a deal that was on the table – one that would have sacrificed Hughes, Melky Cabrera, 23-year-old Double-A righthander Jeff Marquez and 22-year-old A-ball third baseman Mitch Hilligoss – was based on money.
Once Andy Pettitte announced he was returning to the fold for $16 million, it meant the Yankees had committed $408.4 million this winter to retain six players. The acquisition of Santana would have meant tacking on another $125 million to that figure, and Cashman, who never wanted to do the Santana deal in the first place, blanched at the prospect of adding another $20 million to a payroll that was already on the cusp of $200 million, again. In this respect, the timing of Pettitte’s decision to return – while initially seen as giving the Yankees additional leverage in their dealings with the Twins on Santana – actually gave Cashman the “out” he needed.
So Andy’s return could have been the reason the Yanks declined on Santana. Amazing!
woowowowowow
Thats a deal that should have been done….Hughes,Cabrera,Marquez,Hilligoss
I trust CashMoney…......I hope he is right.
Madden’s the only one to have added those 2 specific names (Marquez and Hilligoss) indicating that group of 4 would have gotten it done. If true that’s a tough non-deal to accept as a fan knowing Santana may be headed to the Sox, especially with all the payroll off the books the next 2 years.
Didn’t the Yankees go 8-3 in their last 11 games against the Red Sox? Unless something changes, the Yankees will be fielding that same team. The Red Sox might get Santana. MIGHT get Santana. If they do, they have clearly improved, but as far as them playing against us, Beckett only had 4 starts against us last year (and he didn’t put up very impressive numbers BTW). My point is, if Santana is on the Red Sox, it isn’t going to have a significant impact on the Yankees record. In fact, I would say that having our young guys start the season with us after the experience they had last year will more than compensate for having to face Santana 2 or 3 more times than we did last season.
On the other hand, I’m really looking forward to having about 30 chances to see Phil or Joba pitch at the Stadium next year.
I think the tigers trade throws a wrench in everything..
Even the Johan Deal..
Now you look at that tiger rotation
rogers, verlander, bonderman, robertson, willis
and you wonder if you got the pitching to stack up against them in the playoffs..
yanks dont have the pitching for the playoffs.. atleast not IMO. Tigers had a chance to get Proven players and they traded away some nice nice talent..
will the yanks or sox do the same?
Sox have the pitching to match up with detroit in the playoffs.. so for them johan is not a top priority..
but will the yanks budge?
if hank sticks to his “trade Deadline” the way he sticks to his diet.. the yanks will be getting johan
Obviously that was a good interview.
Drive 4-5
My guess, since money was the issue, and remember Santana was on the books for 13.5M next year, in 2009, when the Yankees move into their new stadium, there will be some 50M or more off the payroll when Santanas 22-25M would kick in.
Therefore if money + not wanting to deal Hughes and Kennedy, and not wanting to move Damon back to center, or spend millions more for a FA centerfielder, is that the Yankees go with what they have.
Starters:
Pettitte
Wang
Hughes
Mussina
Kennedy
Relievers:
Rivera
Chamberlain [yes back in the bullpen]
Igawa [as a lefty]- too much money invested in him, unless he’s traded
Ohlendorf
Veras
Britton
Ramirez
Other minor leaguers could be in the mix such as Henn, Bruney, the new acqusition from the Nationals.
What do you all think?
Look at that Tiger Rotation- 3 lefties. Does anyone have Yankees lefty batting statistics both the 1st half and the 2nd half of the season against left-handed pitchers thrown against us? The 1st half was probably deplorable, as Abreu, Cano, Damon , Giambi weren’t getting many hits against any pitchers!
Drive 4-5—Nice find. That’s a lot money committed to a couple of players.
Yankee Trader—Have Chamberlain in the rotation and everything would be straight.
E-Roc
Would like Joba in the rotation also, but who is the set-up guy?-Farnsworth? [ I even forgot about listing him with the other potential relief staff, because I had hoped he get’s traded]!
One of the reasons why I got ticked off at all the whining yesterday was that folks were placing blame in the wrong direction.
The Yankees didn’t do the deal because of Hank Steinbrenner or anything he said. They didn’t do the deal because of Brian Cashman.
Simply put, Cashman didn’t want to give up Hughes or any of the younger prospects for Santana and add another $150 million to the payroll.
Right move or wrong move? We shall see.
Its certainly a gutsy move. Especially when the owner had no problems writing the check for Santana.
One thing you have to say about Hank Steinbrenner. He does let the baseball people make the baseball decisions.
If it was up to him, he would have done the deal. He deferred to his GM on this matter.
Now, the heat is on Cashman. If he is right about the young arms, he made the right decision. If he’s wrong, he will be out of a job.
That’s what I call pressure!
IMO, Andy changed everything. Going from a desperate position to one not so desperate. I also think that if Hank could ever stop talking, which I think hurts the Yankees, but helps the media, Cash could do his job.
Look at what Cash gave up for Abreu, see what he didn’t give up for Gagne, and the fact the the Sheff and RJ deals where very quite and quick.
I really want to see what Phil can do over a full season, healthy, which I believe that if he didn’t get hurt this wouldn’t even be being talked about because he would be untouchable and I think Cash knows that.
Living in RI, I am surrounded by RSN, thier media the whole nine yards, and I think McAdams of the Projo, is one of the best beat writers around. I totally agree with him that the Sawx could afford Santana, but it is more about thier pholosiphy, (Pats-like)look at all of thier deals lately, Damon, Schill, Lowell, Dice-K, they did what was best for them. Drew and Lugo were different cases, Theo has had thing for Drew for years and Lugo was a need.
So, stay tuned, this is far from over. I hope Santana stays with Minny and then we could really see the Yankees and Sawx go at it next year.
Yankee Trader—At the moment, the setup man is Farnsdearth. Girardi believes he knows what ‘’buttons’’ to press to get Farnsdearth straightened out. I still think the Yankees will acquire another reliever or two via trade. Then there are internal options like Kevin Whelan, Scott Patterson, Wordkemper, Melancon, and others.
in Joel Sherman’s article today about how the yankees should have pulled the trigger for Johann, he states:
“How good is this Yankee package? Hughes is the surest thing, and he has a questionable work ethic and more of an injury history at 21 than Santana at 28”
Does anyone know to what specifically he is referring to? I have never read anything of the sort on phil.
I think that Sherman is an a$$ at times. If the Yankees make the Santana deal he will write an article that the Yankees buy thier way out of everything and don’t care about youth or something like that.
Buster Olney on Mike and Mike
Santana/Sox deal unlikely to happen. Believes the Yankees are really out because the room was split on the trade to start with.
Timing of Pettitte’s return not a coincidence. Yankee officials against the Santana acquisition put a full court press on Andy to get him back.
I looked over the names in these articles. I’ve seen all of them play except for Patterson and Melancon. Other than Ohlendorff and Hughes, the one I’d hate st see NYY lose is Mitch Hilligoss. He is going to be a special kind of hitter.
E-ROC
Hopefully Girardi can straighten out Farnsworth mentally, but physically he’s not up to the task, with his bad back. Is “cringe” the right verb to use when Farnsworth comes into the game with a small lead? Even with a 4-5 run lead?
Hughes is not real big on weight lifting. He’s not out of shape, but, he’s also not exactly a fitness freak like Clemens abd Pettitte. He’s not David Wells, though, either. More Mike Mussina.
It’s finally becoming clear that the RS had no inetntion of pulling the trigger on this deal. The Yankeees need to wait until the end of the meeting and next week before contacting the Twins. Santana will still be there next week.
I’d rather just see Santana wind up with the Twins or out of the AL but I’m certain he won’t wind up in Boston.
Hank’s mouth had ZERO to do with anything here. This was Cashman’s and the baseball ops call.
The Twins don’t care what Hank says. It means nothing and it doesn’t have any impact on whether or not Cash can do his job.
Cash got what he wanted….no deal. How did Hank’s mouth get in the way of that when he got what he wanted?
I do think that a solid veteran reliever or two are necessary pickups, especially if the Viz is pricing himself out of returning. I want to see the kids in the bullpen as well but if, other than Farnsworth, our other non-Mo returning pieces are the likes of Ohlendorf and Veras, we’re going to need a hell of a lot more stability than that. I can sleep at night with three top-notch rookies in the rotation. I can do so less if that’s augmented with another four or five coming in in relief.
..and. if the Sox back out (which i’m not holding my breath on), when we get back to the Twins, we keep Hughes off the table. it’s not like they’ve got anyone else to bargain with.
Regardless of the outcome of the Santana sweepstakes, someone really needs to hit Hank over his melon head with the sledgehammer and cut out his tongue because his pie hole is already getting way too big for his britches.
I happen to agree with much of what Hank has said in recent weeks but he really needs to learn and understand that his candor with the media is not helping his team at all.
His latest gaffe was last night claiming that Beane’s demands for Haren are “ridiculous.” He’s right about that but it doesn’t need to be said to the media.
Hank sounds more like Mark Cuban everyday.
Re: the Tigers. Let’s examine their pitching staff.
Willis hasn’t been good for two years. Now, he is going to the AL. Not going to be easy. The plus for him is that he is pitching in a pitchers ballpark and they will have a great offense.
The negative is, when you have a 5 ERA in the NL, that doesn’t bode well for AL success.
Robertson is nothing special and Kenny Rogers is coming off an injury filled season at 41.
That leaves Verlander and Bonderman. Verlander is a stud and while Bonderman struggled the second half of last year, he is a solid pitcher.
They don’t have Zumaya for the season. A HUGE loss. Especially since they will be playing a lot of high scoring games and will need their bullpen to throw a lot of innings.
They still have Todd Jones closing.
While their offense will be great, the Yankees have better pitching than the Tigers at this time.
That deal hurts the Indians. It doesn’t hurt the Yankees.
Olney made it sound like it may be the Twins who are having second thoughts.
Giuseppe Franco
December 5th, 2007 at 7:43 am
Regardless of the outcome of the Santana sweepstakes, someone really needs to hit Hank over his melon head with the sledgehammer and cut out his tongue because his pie hole is already getting way too big for his britches.
I happen to agree with much of what Hank has said in recent weeks but he really needs to learn and understand that his candor with the media is not helping his team at all.
His latest gaffe was last night claiming that Beane’s demands for Haren are “ridiculous.†He’s right about that but it doesn’t need to be said to the media.
Hank sounds more like Mark Cuban everyday.
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The fact of the matter is that the word that Beane put out was that he was looking for a deal for AT LEAST what Santana brings in. He’s another GM that makes it tough for the Yanks to do business with.
The Twins should be having second thoughts on that deal.
It’s highway robbery for the Red Sox if they pull it off.
Tigers will be built for regular season success because they can mash there way to 90 some wins. Look at the Yanks last year. The rotation was in shambles much of the season and wasn’t nearly as good as its going to be this year or the Tigers rotation will be this year and they still won 90+ games. Our rotation broke the record for different pitchers making their major league debut. I think both teams will make the playoffs along with the Red Sox and Angels but I guess we have a lot of games and a long time to find out. One injury to a key person could bring any team down
SJ,
Any thoughts on innings caps and how that will affect the beginning of the season? Since it is speculated that Kennedy won’t have one do you see him being penciled into the rotation for sure just b/c of the innings caps on Joba/Hughes???
GB7,
I don’t disagree with Hank on the Beane demands, it just doesn’t need to be said publicly. That’s just stupid PR.
If it hasn’t already, Hanks’s big mouth is going to come back and bite him on the @ss sooner or later.
It’s just a matter of time.
Can someone post exactly what Olney said on Mike and Mike about the Sox/Twins deal not being likely?
If the Sox are out, the Yankees did the best thing they possibly could have done by pulling their offer. If the Twins come back to the Yankees, they need to make a strong offer without Hughes. Kennedy, Melky, Tabata, and Horne. It’s definitely a lot, but losing 2 prospects from our farm system won’t kill it if it’s as good as it’s supposed to be.
Madden does not cite one source in his article.
He merely states his take on Cashman as Gospel truth.
Could it be that Madden is in this case acting as the ownership’s mouthpiece, shifting the attention to Cash?
no.27 I agree 100% if it is the case of the Sox pulling out.
Giuseppe Franco
December 5th, 2007 at 7:54 am
GB7,
I don’t disagree with Hank on the Beane demands, it just doesn’t need to be said publicly. That’s just stupid PR.
If it hasn’t already, Hanks’s big mouth is going to come back and bite him on the @ss sooner or later.
It’s just a matter of time.
Perhaps, but, maybe not. He’s comsistant, like his father. It could happen at any time. The thing is, like his father, it’s almost always directed at what’s been said. Neither ever attacked a person or an organization, outside of the Yanks. The trouble he had would come then.
One other thing about Beane. The only times he really attempts to extort other teams talent is when dealing his pitchers off. I’m always leery of getting an A’s pitcher, because that ballpark distorts the pitching numbers so badly, and Oakland pitchers seem to break down earlier than some.
Interesting Madden article. Cashman knows what he’s doing, I’m glad he’s on our side.
No team is perfect. Every team has flaws. Its why, even though folks hate the expression, playoff baseball has become such a crapshoot.
You can only build your team for the long haul. Anybody who says they are building their team for playoff success (as Theo said in 2006) they find out, as Theo did, you don’t make the playoffs.
You build your team for the long haul and hope you get hot for two weeks.
Its really all you can do.
As far as innings caps are concerned, there are numerous ways to handle it. One, strict pitch counts. Two, a great bullpen that can be turned over a bit at mid-season with fresh, power arms. To do that though, you have to have depth in your farm system because acquiring power arms at mid-season is expensive.
The Yankees have enough arms internally, especially if Melancon and Sanchez are at full strength by July, to do what they did last year…..turn half the ‘pen over at mid-season with fresher arms.
Seems to me, because of all the prolific offenses, its the way to go in the AL.
no 27. making a strong offer without hughes, kennedy, horne, melky, tabata is impossible. you think chase wright,austin jackson and gonzalez are going to get it done? come on be serious…
Austin Jackson or Jose Tabata are two of the deal breakers besides Chamberlain and adding two starters in any Santana deal. Those two kids can play and play well.
No. Maybe I should have typed it differently. I meant offer Kennedy, Melky, Tabata, and Horne. If you reread the post now, it might make more sense. Anyway, I don’t know if that package would get the deal done even with the Red Sox out of the race, if in fact, they are out of the race. What I was getting at is if the Twins come back to the Yankees, we need to hold Hughes back without lowballing them completely. I don’t them want to give the whole farm away, but lowballing them won’t work. We’ve got lots of prospects, and I think that we will get a few more each year. People upset about the Yankees pulling their offer have made some good points about the Yankees current core starting to get older and if we can get Santana by trading away Kennedy, Melky and 2 or even 3 top prospects, I think we should do it.
I’ve been away for 2 weeks and feel like I’ve missed a whole season!
On Santana, my gut says having 22 wins out of Hughes+IPK at $800k trumps 20 wins from Santana at $23mil + trading away half the farm. I really think Sox is just bluffing and not serious about the trade. I hope Santana stays in MN and we can outbid Sox in his FA in ‘09 to replace Andy. I’m ok with 2008 as a rebuilding year/transitional year for the kids.
Even if Boston is serious about landing Santana, I don’t think we should ever make drastic move to our club and payroll just to preempt what another team may do, even if it’s the Sox. We build our own team, we can’t let the Sox run the Yankees. If we go for Santana b/c the team managers and talent analysts truly believe having him is better than the prospect of Hughes+Melky+Horne/Ajax/Kennedy down the line, fine, let’s go get him. But please never bring in a guy like that and completely shake up our club just for the sake of the Sox.
Yeah that is a good point. Another thing that will help may be a solidified rotation. The bullpen got taxed hard at the beginning of the season and a lot of people had dead arms by midseason. Hopefully they pick up a guy or 2 and save a few spots for the young guys to go along with Rivera and Farns.
Is it just me? or has the NL become the farm system for the AL. There are probably some AAA clubs that can compete for a wild caed in that league.
A side note:
Thank you once again for being the voice of reason SJ…
The Yankees farm system with all the power arms will be the most equiped to upgrade at the trade deadline.
The easy decision for Cashman to make would have been to acquire Santana, especially with one year left on his contract. It says something that he believes enough in his young pitching that he willing to stake his job and reputation on them.
Dee,
I think if Kennedy and Hughes win 22 taking up two spots in the rotation and Santana wins 20 on his own it would be very very far from being equal. Take out the names and ask if you would rather have two 11 win pitchers or one 20 game winners. I’m not saying any of those three pitchers will win that few or that many but in your hypothetical it would be far from equal no matter what you are spending.
You don’t offer anything. They already had the superior offer and it was rejected. Why offer more?
The Twins have a dilemma. There is no longer any competition to sweeten the pot. The Red Sox can keep their take it or leave it offers on the table and the Twins either have to take a light deal for Santana or pass on it.
I think he is going to stay in Minnesota. My reasoning? If there was going to be a deal, it would have been last night. Which, BTW, was the Twins deadline (according to them) to get a deal done.
Its not like the Red Sox have to improve their offers. There no longer is any competition for Santana’s services.
Plus, do you really think the Red Sox want to do this deal? It goes against everything in their philosophy re: team building.
They got into it to thrwart the Yankees. They didn’t get into it to add 150 million to their payroll.
Bill Smith can’t make the Red Sox deal or he gets run out of town.
The Yankees pulling out of the talks leaves him with zero leverage to extract a better package from the Red Sox.
Its why he should have jumped on the Yankees offer when they put Hughes in the deal.
In all of these deals, Hughes was, far and away, the best player offered by either team.
Smith did what too many rookie GM’s do. He overshopped and blew his leverage.
He is now left with either taking a light package from the Red Sox for Santana or keeping him. He’s better off keeping him now. Doesn’t mean he will but, that would be the better play for him at this point.
All it takes is one NL team to do it the right way by building a good farm and spending enough (and spending it wisely) to be able to make it to the World Series year after year though. If a team is able to do that they are probably going to win one or two just because the World Series can sometimes be which team is hotter at the time. The Mets are trying to do it they just aren’t very good at the spending wisely/building a good farm system part.
NYY offered a package that was more than fair enough. In fact, it was better than the origional package that was Kennedy instead of Hughes that smith said was an acceptable deal…until he started wanting to add more players in while Boston never changed their two packages. Each of those deals contained either Lester or Ellsbury, but never both in the same deal.
If the Twins come to the Yankees and will accept a package based around Kennedy and Melky, I think a deal has to be made. Sure, we could sign him next year, but that’s not guaranteed. Having him on this year’s roster and ensuring that we get him signed is worth giving up that package.
By the way, where did the Twins say they set a deadline?
I look for this deal to die, and maybe get started again after the first of the year. That gives them at least two months to work a deal. Anytime after February 1st, I doubt Santana approves a trade.
VOIII,
Its a tough call. I gotta admit, if I am the GM of the Yankees, and my owner has no problem writing the check, I probably pull the trigger on the deal if it was Hughes-Cabrera-Marquez-Hilligoss.
Now, I don’t know if Madden is accurate with the players he had in his column. If he is, that’s a deal I probably make, even though I lose Hughes and add that kind of money to the bottom line.
I do, however, understand both sides of it. When you commit long term money to pitching, you REALLY roll the dice.
One injury changes everything. See Carl Pavano and Jared Wright. A total of 54 million bucks out the window for little production. That hurts.
Its why I don’t think the Red Sox really want to do the deal. Their payroll setup for pitching is based on shorter term financial commitments. That gets blown out of the water with Santana.
I also understand Cashman’s attachment to the prospects. When you develop your own, its impossible not to form attachments to them.
For example, I love Mark Melancon. I think he has the chance to be a Papelbon-like stud for the Yankees. He was a dominant college pitcher with the kind of stuff that translates well to MLB.
He is now healthy and the Yankees are VERY excited about what he brings to the table.
When I heard last week he was one of the names on the list submitted to the Twins, my first reaction was, NO!!!
You form attachments to guys you see and project to be dominant players.
I understand both sides of the debate. Its not as easy a call to make when you think like a GM instead of a fan.
Its why these guys get paid the big bucks to make the tough decisions.
Let’s hope Buster is right about troubles in the Twins/Sox negotiations. Maybe the Detroit trade helped change the dynamics.That would really help here. But if the trade does come off, that’s life and will have to watch the season play out with our “young guns”. Does anyone remember 2003 when the Marlins had their young “no name” staff? or Detroit in 2006? It can happen in New York. Our line-up is not chopped liver!
Damon
Jeter
Abreu
A-Rod
Matsui
Posada
Giambi
Cano
Melky
It will be a fun, winning an exciting season with lots of upside.
IMO, they still need to make this deal. With Pettitte back in the fold, Cashman should go for the throat.
They dont like Melky, and they like AJax? Thats fine. I’d pull back Melky, and offer Hughes, AJax, Marquez, and another minor leaguer.
Its not a player rental, and its not a guy who’s going to fizzle after his first year in NY. Johan is a stud, and with Santana in the rotation, you’d still have 4 starting pitchers under the age of 30, but now including a true Ace, and your MLB rotation is set up for the next 5 years.
SJ44, That’s a good deal, but, I’d rather see them replace Hilligoss with Reegie Corona and Colin Curtis or Justin Christian…or all three.
“But it is more than just Cashman’s belief in Hughes that suddenly put the Yankees in full retreat after Hank Steinbrenner had sounded the “Charge!†on Santana. Believe it or not, the final decision not to go through with a deal that was on the table – one that would have sacrificed Hughes, Melky Cabrera, 23-year-old Double-A righthander Jeff Marquez and 22-year-old A-ball third baseman Mitch Hilligoss – was based on money.”
totally insane that you don’t get Santana for that package…I know I don’t run the team, but I think THAT there was a bonehead non-move, especially if Johan ends up in Beantown playing for the Sux along with Beck@$$
SJ,
Do you think that Hank talking through the media has hurt Cashmans’ ability to do a deal?
Also, from what you have seen in your life in regards to players, do you think Santana has what it takes (body-type) to be a dominant pitcher years 4-6 of the deal?
Eveyone says that he is the most dominante pitcher in the game, and I don’t disagree, but no one ever talks about how long they are that way, even the best pitcher has a shelf life.
Hilligoss does seem to have the potential to be very special. He is easily one of the most consistent hitters I have seen at any level, but in two years(give or take)there really isn’t anywhere to put him. His position will either be 2B or 3B and both a occupied well into the future. I think that would help ease the sting of losing him.
The problem is, Green Baret, the Twins don’t go for that deal.
They don’t need Curtis. Christian is a AAAA player and Corona is ok but, not a as good a prospect as Lowrie.
The Twins would rather have a kid like Angelini, who isn’t yet available to be traded. I also doubt the Yankees would trade Angelini.
The Twins best play right now is to keep Santana and re-visit it at the trade deadline, depending on their situation in the standings.
Better to go that way than settle for a bad deal. Which is what they are doing if they accept the Red Sox package.
SJ44, you’re usually more balanced and rational than you seem to be this morning.
look at these gems you’ve offered today (CAPS are not me freaking or raising my voice, only used to differentiate between what you wrote and what I wrote):
“Bill Smith can’t make the Red Sox deal or he gets run out of town.” SAYS WHO? B/C YOU W/ YOUR INFINITE BASEBALL WISDOM DON’T LIKE THE DEAL? ABSURD.
“Plus, do you really think the Red Sox want to do this deal? It goes against everything in their philosophy re: team building.” GOES AGAINST THEIR PHILOSOPHY?? HOW DO YOU THINK THEY GOT TWO WS RINGS IN FOUR YEARS? ANSWER: Schilling, dealing Nomar, trading for Beckett & Lowell, signing DiceK…YOU’RE JUST FLAT OUT WRONG HERE B/C YOU’RE ASSUMING THE TWO THINGS HAVE TO BE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE: YOU EITHER BUILD YOUR FARM SYSTEM OR YOU ACQUIRE THE TALENT BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY…THEO AND THE RED SOX HAVE DONE BOTH, IT IS NOT AN EITHER/OR THING.
“The Twins have a dilemma.