Comments on: Santana may be fading away for Yankees http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/ A Yankees Blog by Journal News beat writer Peter Abraham Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:51:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=wordpress-mu-1.2.5 By: Grant http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215939 Grant Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:45:47 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215939 Time to offer up Kennedy, unless you like the prospects of facing Beckett, Santana, Dice-k. To me thatspells second place for the next five years. Time to offer up Kennedy, unless you like the prospects of facing Beckett, Santana, Dice-k. To me thatspells second place for the next five years.

]]> By: Grant http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215912 Grant Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:36:28 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215912 They Need an answer because they don't want to get used to drive the price up our to allow the red sox to drive their price up. If they want to give up Crisp, Elsburry and Lester, fine, let them have him. They Need an answer because they don’t want to get used to drive the price up our to allow the red sox to drive their price up. If they want to give up Crisp, Elsburry and Lester, fine, let them have him.

]]> By: El Comaduce http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215884 El Comaduce Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:28:52 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215884 I wanted Santana badly, but now it is time to set a precedence. The deadline is passed, time to take hughes out of the deal.. It will sting if it costs us this time - but it might help us out in future negotiations... That being said - dont expect miracles from the kids in 2008, there are going to be growing pains... And dont give up hope... I wanted Santana badly, but now it is time to set a precedence. The deadline is passed, time to take hughes out of the deal.. It will sting if it costs us this time – but it might help us out in future negotiations…

That being said – dont expect miracles from the kids in 2008, there are going to be growing pains…

And dont give up hope…

]]> By: randy l. http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215866 randy l. Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:20:56 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215866 right now, the yankees really don't know what they would be trading in hughes or kennedy. by their demands, the twins are not acting like they consider hughes to be ace material. what if hughes has a phenomenal first half in 2008 ? if this happens than he would be tradeable for a veteran ace or he would be so close to an ace that the yankees might not want to trade him. it's not the end of the world if santana goes to the red sox at 25 million and a major loss of young talent. it would be a problem if it happened at the 2008 trading deadline because it's not likely the yankees could react to it. if the red sox do the trade now , there's time to see what the young pitchers are in the first half and also to react to the red sox getting santana and upgrading in other areas like first base and the bullpen. in the regular season, 5 really good pitchers and a record setting offense can beat 2 aces and a good offense. if the red sox get santana now it's all how the yankees counter. it would be an interesting dynamic if the yankees were the young underdog chasing down , as one baseball executive put it, "the best team in the history of the frigging universe". with their resources utilized in the right way , the yankees could do it. right now, the yankees really don’t know what they would be trading in hughes or kennedy. by their demands, the twins are not acting like they consider hughes to be ace material. what if hughes has a phenomenal first half in 2008 ? if this happens than he would be tradeable for a veteran ace or he would be so close to an ace that the yankees might not want to trade him.

it’s not the end of the world if santana goes to the red sox at 25 million and a major loss of young talent. it would be a problem if it happened at the 2008 trading deadline because it’s not likely the yankees could react to it. if the red sox do the trade now , there’s time to see what the young pitchers are in the first half and also to react to the red sox getting santana and upgrading in other areas like first base and the bullpen.

in the regular season, 5 really good pitchers and a record setting offense can beat 2 aces and a good offense. if the red sox get santana now it’s all how the yankees counter.

it would be an interesting dynamic if the yankees were the young underdog chasing down , as one baseball executive put it, “the best team in the history of the frigging universe”. with their resources utilized in the right way , the yankees could do it.

]]> By: Boston Dave http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215843 Boston Dave Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:12:25 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215843 Yanks and Twins were still talking well beyond midnight, only breaking off talks so both could get some sleep. Rosenthal as recently as this morning was reporting that the negotiations were still open on both sides. Yanks and Twins were still talking well beyond midnight, only breaking off talks so both could get some sleep.

Rosenthal as recently as this morning was reporting that the negotiations were still open on both sides.

]]> By: PB in DC http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215825 PB in DC Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:03:38 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215825 The Dude, where did you hear that the deal is coco crisp and jon lester for santana? I won't believe that until it is on espn.com and nyt.com The Dude, where did you hear that the deal is coco crisp and jon lester for santana?

I won’t believe that until it is on espn.com and nyt.com

]]> By: The Dude http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215818 The Dude Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:01:06 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215818 Well, I fold. Coco Crisp and Jon Lester for Johan Santana? It's official: teams simply expect more from the Yankees. Well, I fold. Coco Crisp and Jon Lester for Johan Santana? It’s official: teams simply expect more from the Yankees.

]]> By: PB in DC http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215809 PB in DC Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:58:44 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215809 I don't think Ellsbury's arm is as weak as Damon's. I've seen him a fair amount (mlb.com package)... besides he's quite young and has yet to fill out. All I'm saying is: there are better things to discuss on this board than the strength of the arm of a rookie CF who plays in the AL Central. Well, we'll see on the last part of that... lol I don’t think Ellsbury’s arm is as weak as Damon’s. I’ve seen him a fair amount (mlb.com package)... besides he’s quite young and has yet to fill out.

All I’m saying is: there are better things to discuss on this board than the strength of the arm of a rookie CF who plays in the AL Central. Well, we’ll see on the last part of that… lol

]]> By: Yanksrule57 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215805 Yanksrule57 Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:57:51 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215805 I love the take in the national media this morning blaming Hank for blowing the Santana deal and talking about what a disaster he is. I chalk this up to Yankee bashing. All they have done this offseason is: Resign the best player in the game. Resign all of their own free agents. Let the other teams know that they will not be played against other teams. I like what they are doing even if they have to go into the season with a starting staff as presently configured. they got a new bullpen arm today from the Nats and with a couple more moves I like this team for 2008 and I like having a flexible payroll in 2009 and beyond. I like the job Hank as done so far and appreciate hearing directly from the owner again. What exactly are these people talking about that has been so disastrous. I just don't understand how a rational person can spout such nonsense. I love the take in the national media this morning blaming Hank for blowing the Santana deal and talking about what a disaster he is.
I chalk this up to Yankee bashing.

All they have done this offseason is:

Resign the best player in the game.

Resign all of their own free agents.

Let the other teams know that they will not be played against other teams.

I like what they are doing even if they have to go into the season with a starting staff as presently configured. they got a new bullpen arm today from the Nats and with a couple more moves I like this team for 2008 and I like having a flexible payroll in 2009 and beyond.

I like the job Hank as done so far and appreciate hearing directly from the owner again. What exactly are these people talking about that has been so disastrous. I just don’t understand how a rational person can spout such nonsense.

]]> By: Master Wangkee http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215800 Master Wangkee Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:56:05 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/04/santana-may-be-fading-away-for-yankees/#comment-215800 I'm sick and tired of the Twins desperate attempt to fleece the Yankees. When you reject an offer that includes Phil Hughes and a 23 year old gold-glove caliber centerfielder, you start to appear delusional. This back-and-forth business would end so quickly if the Yankees played more to the competition and engaged in discussions for various other high-profile pitchers. Would it hurt for Hank to profess an interest in Kazmir or Bedard...just to balance things out a little bit and put an end to the Twins rape fantasy? I’m sick and tired of the Twins desperate attempt to fleece the Yankees. When you reject an offer that includes Phil Hughes and a 23 year old gold-glove caliber centerfielder, you start to appear delusional.

This back-and-forth business would end so quickly if the Yankees played more to the competition and engaged in discussions for various other high-profile pitchers. Would it hurt for Hank to profess an interest in Kazmir or Bedard…just to balance things out a little bit and put an end to the Twins rape fantasy?

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