Yankees pick up reliever
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The Washington Post is reporting that the Yankees have traded RHP Tyler Clippard to the Nationals for right-handed reliever Jonathan Albaladejo.
He’s a big (6-5, 250) guy who made his debut in September and had a 1.88 ERA in 14.1 innings. Albaladejo is 25.
I called the Yankees to try and confirm this and have yet to receive an answer.
UPDATE, 12:50 p.m.: Pending physicals, a done deal. Seems like a good move for the Yankees. Clippard had fallen off their radar.
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Good. Clippard didn’t have a spot here
LOL I wouldnt have traded a bag of Burger King for Clippard so we got a steal.
Yea, he seems like he could have some value. He did good at Columbus AAA too.
Sounds good to me. Fixing bullpen is much more important than getting Santana. (Save Phil Hughes!)
He’s from NL though…hmmm
Here’s a story on (and a picture of) our new reliever:
http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070911&content_id=2201972&vkey=news_was&fext=.jsp&c_id=was
aw poor tyler clippard. he was eclipsed by the big 3, and a bunch of other pitching prospects, but i liked him and matt desalvo. not as SP’s for the yankees in 2008, though. best of luck to him.
i hope he gets to start for the nats.
the guy was released by the Pirates in April !!
I’m pretty happy with this trade from what I hear so far. I’m also happy Hughes is a Yankee still so far
lol Nats probably need all the starting pitching help they can get.
Thats Manny Acta.
Hey any one catch his middle name? Santana…
This is good for Tyler because he is going to be able to start in the majors now.
Is there any site that includes scouting info, PLUS pitches etc? Espn used to do it years ago…
I am dying to see what this kid can throw…
Yeah, that is Acta in the picture…My bad!!!
I liked Ty, anyone remember that Sunday night game @Shea? The dude hit a double and got the W!
Best of luck to him!
So we do get (a) Santana.
Life is good.
yeah he throws fastball splitter
I never even heard of this guy until today. I doubt he lasts long on the Yankees. Anyone know how hard this guy throws?
Making deals with Washington = not talking to Minnesota?
“I liked Ty, anyone remember that Sunday night game @Shea? The dude hit a double and got the W!”
Maybe he’ll be the next Micah Owings now! HA!!
yea i remember a couple of good starts from him. oh well. we really didn’t need him. unless the twins wanted him in a straight-up trade for johan.
The Yankees sold low, but they are so stocked with ML starters that they probably wanted to create space.
Cashman could have a good find with Albaladejo. He’s unheralded, but he did have good stats from his cup of coffee in the Majors. This is exactly the kind of under the radar acquisition that sometimes turns to gold. Good luck is a product of hard work and now maybe the Yankees and Cashman will benefit from this hard work. Albaladejo could prove to be a steal, you never know.
Cashman: “Hey guys, we traded for Santana without giving Hughes and Melky and Kennedy. A warm welcome for Jonathan SANTANA Albaladejo!”
My roommate’s a Nationals fan and he was big on Albaladejo, so sounds good.
that was a great game he tossed at Shea, dewey. i’m sure all yankee fans wish ty clip all the best luck
Good deal !! should be funny hearing McCarver trying to pronounce the name Albaladejo
In the last thread, the mysterious “Bobcat” said the Santana trade had just been made, with Hughes, Cabrera and the Attorney General going to the Twinkies. Wonder if that’s really true…
where are you getting 250lb?
i thought he was 230
Just drop the ‘nat’ from the first name and the last name (he needs a nickname) and you have your ‘Johan Santana’.
playing Chris Britton this year is Jonathan Albalawhateverthef*ck
nats friend (friend that likes nats lol) says he has low 90 2 seamer with a biting curve and came out of nowhere in septiembre homes
http://192.20.225.55/tts/speech/431c1fc15d9b5816d12f0de74a793e86.wav
dont be surprised if clippard is a solid #3 in the NL in 2 years…. i think the yanks gave up on him too soon (though he would prob just be trade bait later) so i hope the new guy is good.
Wow, Chris how did you get McCarver to say that?
The new guy sure is a big boy…6′5″ and 250?! They must want a bodyguard for Edwar Ramirez…
Over/under on how long it’ll take for Cashman to flip him?
Well, the bullpen is a need and we have a decent amount of young starter with potential. It’s a formula deal.
Gator let TClipp’s mechanics go south. He could be a steal for the Nats.
I wonder why the Yanks didn’t try and get back Nick Johnson? I miss his high ops and his ability to hit the ball to the opposite field with authority.
Is Nick still on the DL?
Good K:BB ratio and BB/9 innings. I like the move. Clippard had no future here, and no real upside. He’s an NL pitcher.
lol Im 6′5 250 pounds ^_^ i dont think im too fat
i believe i saw this new kid pitch an inning in Atlanta in september…the name sounds familiar…
“The Yankees sold low, but they are so stocked with ML starters that they probably wanted to create space.”
How much are you going to get for a guy who’s upside is back-of-the-rotation starter in a year or two. Sure, he could challenge for a rotation spot on a terrible team like the Nats, right now, but he’s a year away from pitching from cracking a solid rotation.
Cash got a 25 year old reliever with good peripherals and some MLB experience. That’s a pretty even swap, especially when you already have a bunch of back-of-the-rotation type guys.
Rob your anime emoticon usage says otherwise…
“My roommate’s a Nationals fan…”
Tell him we our condolences.
If Carl Pavano played first base they’d call him Nick Johnson.
“playing Chris Britton this year is Jonathan Albalawhateverthef*ck”
By that do you mean the role of “fat guy who deserves a legit shot but won’t get it”?
the fake trade was posted by fake bobcat.
looks like santana’s going nowhere. as long as he’s not in boston, that’s fine.
Makes a lot of sense for both teams. Clippard is a better bet in the NL than he ever would have been in the AL and could prove to be a third or fourth starter for the Nationals. Albaladejo, meanwhile, showed a lot of promise as a reliever both in Triple-A and in a late-season callup.
“By that do you mean the role of “fat guy who deserves a legit shot but won’t get it”?”
there’s a new sheriff in town. if he deserves a shot, he’ll get it.
no more “Joe’s Guys”.
Exhibit A: goodbye Andy Phillips.
clippard’s the guy who, after coughing up a lead said - and i’m paraphrasing - it was no big deal, that being down a run or two, with that offense, was like having a two-run lead.
good riddance.
Thank god Torre isnt here anymore because this is the exact type of guy he would never give a chance to out of the pen
“dont be surprised if clippard is a solid #3 in the NL in 2 years…. i think the yanks gave up on him too soon (though he would prob just be trade bait later) so i hope the new guy is good.”
But they needed bullpen help now and will almost certainly have plenty of options to fill out the back of the rotation two years hence. Classic deal from strength kind of thing. I don’t think they gave up on him, just that he doesn’t fill a need for them.
whozat,
clippard was a pretty good prospect (in line with some of the guys we consider high upside now) but he had a couple bad ML starts and everyone thinks he is useless…
it seems like a good trade for both teams but the yanks definitely sold low.
asburyboss
re: comparing pavano to Nick the Stick
Thats not entirely fair, Nick was as frustrated as anyone with his injuries. Many of them were freak (foul ball that broke his cheek, collision that broke his leg).
Nick is a terrific player when he plays and works hard at getting back on the field.
whozat, i think you are right…. i was responding more to the posts that clippard is a bum or something to that effect i guess. it helps both teams (assuming the new guy does anything)
hmmm - That’s a good point.
http://media.putfile.com/Jonathan-Albaladejo
Asburyboss:
I’m sorry, I couldn’t read your whole post. I burst out laughing at the part that said “If Carl Pavano played…”
Oh man…that was hilarious.
“if he deserves a shot, he’ll get it.”
I certainly hope so. Torre would too often ignore a new guy and then put him in a game after a 7 day layoff, watch him get burned because his stuff wasn’t sharp, and then never use him again.
Trust me, Chris Britton is at least 300lbs. I’m about 6′6 260lbs and my physique is much slimmer than Chris Britton’s.
maybe he is Bobcat ?
“i was responding more to the posts that clippard is a bum or something to that effect i guess.”
Yeah, those posters are naive…but no more than Michael Kay, who’s been talking about how unimpressed he is with Hughes after watching him have a bad august - after coming back from two non-trivial injuries.
alright gents im going to sleep… carry the flame and argue over who we trade for johan if a trade is released tonight lol
Chris Britton = The real Jabba the Hutt (even Joba Chamberlain looks like Slim Jim next to Britton!)
Thx for the confirmation Pete. I like this move. The pen is our biggest need easily and Clippard just would never have a place with the Yankees. Besides he’ll do better in the NL anyway.
“clippard was a pretty good prospect (in line with some of the guys we consider high upside now) but he had a couple bad ML starts and everyone thinks he is useless…”
Clippard doesn’t have a good enough fastball and pitches off of his curveball. His numbers in the minors are a bit deceiving because he pitches backwards.
I would give up Desalvo for him, the yanks could do get much more for Clippard.
fake bobcat! love that guy!
Bobcat
December 4th, 2007 at 12:47 am
I can confirm this. It went down right before the Santana deal.
The Messiah has spoken…
fake bobcat!
I think Joe Girardi is going to be a good manager but he isn’t getting a magic wand with the job. So far today people have said he’s going to fix Farnsworth, turn the Yankees into a better situational hitting team and whip a bullpen that currently only consists of a closer into a well oiled machine.
interesting.. Bobcat makes a logical post but is it the real Bobcat???
not likely
Brandon, is there a link?
Kingrover…bottom line, can’t make the club, sitting in the tub.
Pavano got injured speeding to a rehab start, wrapped up his Porsche, concealed the injury…and tried to gut it out. Alas his dreams were dashed when he tried the old “pull my finger” trick with Jose Tabata and ended up dislocating 2 knuckles, straining a tendon, and cracking a bone.
I was making a joke. I had high hopes for Nick…
Gotta love the imposter
poor Matt DeSalvo
Joe Girardi = The Messiah.
What you didn’t know?
rotoworld and yahoo sports
AP Red Sox source said deal is close for Santana and Yanks
fake bobcat again… he’s saying that “he can confirm this” because someone called him fake on the premise that the real bobcat would not leak new info, he’d only confirm or reject rumors.
nice try.
I need to get up in 4 hours, I fighting the urge to just hit the sack and call it a nite. Must stay up for just one more update from Pete……
pat,
those girardi expectations all sound reasonable. after all, torre was the real problem in new york.
also, pencil hughes in for 16 wins, a 3.4 ERA and some cy young votes. in his first full season in the bigs. realistic.
Brandon… you’re way behind on that
Andrea - Why “poor Matt DeSalvo”? Aren’t you ecstatic that the Yanks didn’t trade your favorite crush?!
This is ridiculous. Can we just know whats going on?
SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED SOME SLEEP PETE, 12:50 PM? LOL TRY AM GO TO SLEEP BRO!!
Brandon… A Red Sox source? Please…
ed in pr -
i know. i have a 15 pg paper due on thursday and i’m on the intro. the freakin’ intro.
raymagnetic
The memo must have gotten stuck in the spam filter with 100’s of my posts.
fake bobcat, real bobcat doesn’t refer to the yankees as “we.” come on, buddy. try harder. at least make it entertaining.
and what would Matt DeSalvo do for the Nats? ticket taker?
groundscrew? I chuckled reading one little game capsule on the new guy Jonathan Alajawhatever…it said he came in in relief of Tim Redding!!!! THE Tim Redding? wow…must suck being a Nats fan
i see UPDATE: a done deal, pending physicals, and im like holy crap santana is a yankee, my heart skipped a beat……
I’ll read about nothing in the morning.
kasey,
“those girardi expectations all sound reasonable. after all, torre was the real problem in new york.”
are you being sarcastic? because I can never tell with you lol
ah, yea, something else, too. this fake bobcat said that he was in a conference room on his blackberry with cashman and others. and he wrote that he would look suspicious writing on his blackberry the whole time so that the post was his last, yet here is again…
northwest cable news just told me the mariners “pulled out” of the santana sweepstakes. i love that the mariners were ever mentioned to begin with. when was the last time the mariners were a major player in ANY deal? come on.
Keep the Kids Cash, Keep the Kids…
i don’t find either “bobcat” very impressive.
“i know. i have a 15 pg paper due on thursday and i’m on the intro. the freakin’ intro.”
Ahhh… reminds me of my college days… don’t worry - you’ll be amazed what BS you can make up the late night/early morning before thew paper is due…
that Yahoo report concerning the Yankees being “very close” (per the Red Sox)is bogus. its been around for hours now. Technically, they’re right…it is VERY CLOSE- just one prospect away…
Hughesian Bias:
I wasn’t really exposing anything that wasn’t already about to come out. I guess Hank and/or Pohlad want to postpone the official announcement for a few extra minutes.
kasey, How did you get you music on iTunes. I ask because I am a developer for tunecore, and that is what we do.. as well as distribute to other online music retailers.
p.s. and I just got a gibson robot guitar.. get it Friday! Can’t wait.
hughesian bias: get on that! I just finished a 50 page thesis! if I can do that, you can do a little tiny 15 page paper!
i still need to get a good grade on the paper! i need a job after this year, it sucks being a senior. i love BC.
LC,
yeah. i think people’s expectation that girardi will be a difference maker is idiotic. i think people expecting hughes, chamberlain and kennedy to lead this team to the playoffs as rookies is idiotic. or, maybe not idiotic. wishful thinking is probably better. because these people aren’t idiots. they’ve just deluded themselves into thinking this stuff will happen.
Andrea - Did you have a crush on Clippard, too?
This blog really needs log in…
Sign Johan next year and keep the kids! Let’s duke it out with youth this year - while Beckett/Santana games make great ESPN Sunday night fare, I’d just as quickly sign up for Hughes/Lester and Joba/Buchholz.
andrea -
i want to get on it, but i have this little addiction called pete abe’s blog. it’s so hard to stop hitting the refresh button!! i’ll get it done, though, don’t worry about me. you won’t see me on this site on wednesday night.
Im here chain smoking just to keep my eyes open… Ill just sleep walk thru my first class and cough up a lung during recess.
the suspense is killer
Pete G, where did you see that?
I can’t decide whether to go to sleep or not…
Bobcat - you indicated a Nathan trade before Santana. Why Santana first, now?
“i still need to get a good grade on the paper! i need a job after this year, it sucks being a senior. i love BC.”
Don’t rush! Working for a living is not the paradise it seems!
I’d like to point out that I had the Clippard deal confirmed 3 minutes before Abe.
ok Fobcat, i’ll play your game. who’s the third player in the deal?
yeh it went on rotoworld at 12:06 it’s refering to an article at 11:28 PM , sorry people
fleas,
the label i’m on handles all of that stuff. but, essentially, you get your stuff on itunes the same way you get it in stores, via a distributor. i believe the digital distribution company that handles my stuff is IODA.
that robot guitar freaks me out. and, really, how hard is it to tune a guitar?
And 2 minutes after Rotoworld…
“Brian (Cashman, the general manager) is meeting with (the Minnesota Twins) probably right now,” Yankees senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner said by phone at about 9:15 p.m.
Asked if the Twins had to take the Yankees’ latest offer on Santana by last night or the Yankees would pull out of negotiations, Steinbrenner said, “I’m not going to comment on that. I’m kind of leaning that way.”
About two hours later, a Yankees official said the talks were still ongoing. Steinbrenner indicated the Yankees might be looking elsewhere for rotation help, saying, “Other developments are taking place too.” He declined to elaborate, but top-notch pitchers Dan Haren of the A’s and Erik Bedard of the Orioles are thought to be available.
According to a person familiar with the Santana discussions who asked not to be named because he is not the chief decision-maker for his team, that proposal is not enough to convince the Twins to trade Santana. The person said Minnesota is still willing to go into next season with Santana — who is eligible for free agency a year from now — and is not worried about Santana’s reported threat to veto a trade during the season.
The Twins like Boston outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury much better than Cabrera, but the Red Sox — according to an official with a team involved in the Santana talks who asked not to be named because of the sensitive nature of trade discussions — were “sitting (and) waiting” last night for an answer from the Twins. Boston offered either Ellsbury or pitcher Jon Lester, along with prospects.
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/inde…820.xml&coll=1
I want to but I can’t
Chicago Dave: that was BBB. She had the thing for Clippard. He was a good pitcher and all, but my heart belongs to Matt DeSalvo!
Hughesian: I’m glad I didn’t discover blogs while I was in college. I might not have graduated.
this fake bobcat is AWFUL.
#9 -
i don’t think it’ll be a paradise, unless of course i work for the travel channel in the caribbean, but it would be nice to have over $200 in the bank every once in a while…
Rebecca, you are in for the long haul, face it. I am too, and I have a trial tomorrow.
Just watched some video of Albaladejo pitching two games against the Mets in late September. Here’s what I can tell you:
He’s got a 91-93 mhp two-seem fastball with a lot of downward movement and a 78-81 mph slider which he uses as his out pitch.
He handled the Mets pretty easily (then again, who didn’t in September), getting Reyes to pop up on a slider, Castillo to strike out looking on a slider, and Wright to ground out on a slider.
Whatever chance he has at success hinges on his slider, which in the small sample looked above average.
Brandon, link?
BennyFromTheBronx, link the video of Albala - dejo here
Andrea - Oh, I was just kidding about the Clippard thing. However, I’m still confused why you said “poor Matt DeSalvo”? (Maybe because people were saying he’s a lousy pitcher?) Just curious…
Update:
1) This is my first post of the day (Monday included).
2) The Santana thing is still in play, but the odds are now on the short side (25% chance of happening). PH/MC/IPK not happening.
3) Pettitte’s returning has something to do with it, but it’s more about how Hank feels about the process. Plus, those within the organization that didn’t want to trade Hughes are not asking Hank if he’s sure he wants to walk away.
4) The Yankees’ sense is that with Pettitte back and Joba in the rotation, they actually HAVE improved themselves.
5) Cashman’s focus has been on MR; to that end, the Clippard trade. Expect more.
6) Nathan is still in play. His trade is tied to Santana’s now. Twins are flip-flopping, unfortunately.
I said yesterday that IF I’m the Yankees, and IF my goal is to win NOW, I go for it and trade PH/MC/prospect for Santana. I DON’T do the PH/MC/IPK. Not with Pettitte back for a year. And don’t underestimate the importance that those 200 IP will have on saving/growing the kids.
This has been a big day for the Yankees, in that they got a LHP without costing anything but cash.
Santana is still in play, though. The betting money is on him staying in Minniesota for awhile. Maybe a week, maybe a month, maybe seven months.
“It’s up to the Twins.”
Phil Linz, early report pretty much no credence after the deadline came
Chicago Dave: yeah. there was a bit of DeSalvo bashing going on. I felt the need to lament it.
“Hughesian: I’m glad I didn’t discover blogs while I was in college. I might not have graduated.”
What ever happened to the good old days when kids couldn’t finish college on time because of too much drinking & partying?
Midnight talks should bring Santana finally to Yankees….Everyone saves face….story in the wee hours of the morning is gonna be my bet…
Phil: But I got class!
Hughesian Bias: I’m a uni senior, too. I’m not sure I want to see what my grades are going to look like…
Phil Linz: Last I remember, you were the best all-around utility player the Yankees EVER had. You have some age on you now, though. When did you retire?
Kasey,
“that robot guitar freaks me out. and, really, how hard is it to tune a guitar?”
You have to try it before you make that assumption.. it is really slick. Although that was secondary for why I got one.. first was that is is a limited edition les paul, and the color is so sweet.. then of course that it auto tunes to 8 presets.. but best of all the price for me.. since a large percentage of our company is owned by guitar center
re: albaladejo, i’d like to add that he has a really, really low number of walks. this might be great for us considering out bullpen last year would load the bases full for edwar or mo.
http://thebaseballcube.com/players/A/Jonathan-Albaladejo.shtml
“He handled the Mets pretty easily (then again, who didn’t in September)”
Shhsssshhhh Boom!
Thanks Bobcat, off to bed everyone, sleep tight….
ahhh the real Bobcat
It’s 1 in the morning, why are we all still awake?
Welcome to the party, real Bobcat.
Now that sounds like Bobcat
rachel -
lol, i have my resume out now before grades are posted so my gpa won’t take any more hits. i need a job. hopefully there’s an opening in yankeeland…
Twins want Horne & Jackson along w/ Hughes & Melky per Heyman on WFAN - not Kennedy.
Andrea - Oh, I don’t know how many times we had this conversation during the season…and even you ultimately had to admit the guy had no future as a pitcher! (Come on, you remember that night, don’t you?!)
Thanks Bobcat,
With Pettitte back, the Yanks get that 200 innings he can give to get them to the playoffs. By the, Phil and Joba could be exactly the type of starters we need to win a playoff series or three.
I’m hoping Cashmoney Green is using his Jedi mind tricks to get the Twins to hang onto Santana, while he holds onto Hughes.
Heyman just told WFAN right via Steve Sommers
Minny is no longer asking for IPK and now want Horne and JAckson instead
ARE THESE GUYS FOR REAL !!!
Sleep thru it, Becca. But I will be at attention when His Honor strolls in. Are you on the lawyer track?
Are talks with the Twins over for tonight? I have to go to bed.
The Twins can’t have Horne and Jackson in the same trade as Hughes. They don’t really want a trade.
I think im the only one that wants igawa around. I mean he did have 5 shutout innings in his last start….
Bobcat,
All the reports tonight make it sound that Boston is really not very serious in this. That they were really in it only to drive the price up. I saw that on multiple sources.
Any thoughts?
Were the twins ever interested in Horne or Jackson or did they never move off Kennedy?
Non-yankees - are the tigers seriously thinking about trading Andrew Miller in a package for Haren? Was reported on Yahoo. I can’t imagine trading that kind of left handed arm, especially after giving him that monster signing bonus only a year ago.
Watched the video on MLB.com’s website, but I think one needs to be a subscriber to do so.
For those who are, here’s where you’d find the game:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/scoreboard/20070917.html
Fastforward to the top of the 5th.
Now the Twins want Horne, Jackson AND Hughes (plus Cabrera) for Santana? Are they throwing Joe Nathan and Justin Morneau into the deal? Please…This is getting obscene. Just say “no” and walk away for good!!
#9: that’s why I didn’t finish early. I entered college with about a semester’s worth of college credit. I could have graduated a semester early if I so chose
Chicago Dave: but I can still feel bad for him! He’s still a nice guy…
…..
Dude, even on a blog people call me Rachel?
why is it that when you’re female and Jewish you’re either Rachel, Rebecca or Sarah and you always know they’re addressing you even when they get the name wrong?
There is not a player in baseball worth Hughes, Horne, Jackson and Cabrera. None.
if they want horne and jackson, pull hughes, drop in kennedy… Call Boston’s bluff
“#9: I could have graduated a semester early if I so chose :)”
Andrea - College to me was the best 6 years of my life.
I don’t know…maybe it’s late and he’s tired, but Bobcat never had grammar mistakes.
So now with the Heyman news–we can’t lose Jackson if the Melkman is gone. We kinda need young outfielders.
Jonathan Albaladejo was training to be a starter at some point of his minor league career, and then transformed back into a reliever. His stats are here: http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/A/Jonathan-Albaladejo.shtml
What do you guys think?
Phil et al:
Can’t blame the Twins. Ask for the moon. Remember, impatience is expensive. They’re testing Hank’s patience. I certainly wouldn’t do that trade (PH/MC/AH/AJax).
There’s no need for anyone to have inside information; it’s all being leaked like a mass corporate email.
Phil: Despite having done mock trial in high school, I am not on that track.
I would like to teach and write novels.
And maybe a little blog thingie.
What would be hilarious is seeing Cashman walking out of the room with the Twins people, and them calling after him … well how about Tabata and Jeter? or maybe A-Rod if you pay his contract and Papelbon… oh and a pizza from 5th avenue…
“There is not a player in baseball worth Hughes, Horne, Jackson and Cabrera. None.”
Albert Pujols. Prince Fielder.
I love yankee prospects but let’s keep some perspective.
Bob Cat = Bob Johnson owner of Charlotte Bobcats Basketball Team!
I think the Yanks are trying to find a 3rd party pospect to put in play for Santana. Like taking a contract and a good player to flip to Minn. I wonder if Haren could be had along with their always injured 3B Chavez for some Mid Level prospects. Or am I way out in LF?
God bless, you kid. Stay warm.
Bobcat: Are the talks over for the night? If they are, is the deal dead? (crosses my fingers and hopes the deal is dead and Melky and the trinity are Yankees come opening day)
Phil: thank you. I will try but living off campus means that heat is a rarity.
Right, I am out. Good night all.
DadInIowa, why dont you ask Bobcat if he thinks PH,MC, prospect for Johan is a good deal for the Yanks or not?
CB:
The Red Sox certainly were interested at the right price, which was no big boys. The sense is that once they were “in”, they have to play it out, not necessarily to the culmination of a trade. I don’t think they are going to be disappointed if he stays in Minn.
The Twins are trying to extract as much as they can. They have always been interested in the Yankees’ pitching prospects. Every team is and should be.
Tigers? Can’t speak to that rumor.
Bobcat,
Can you confirm the Andrew Miller from Det for Dan Haren rumors??
#9: college for six years is expensive! I’ve got 4 years of undergrad, 2 and a half years of grad school so far. lots of money!
Bobcat,
I think the Twins are not gonna trade him, and instead are gonna go back to him and say: you were two valuable to trade how `bout 6 years, 120M?
F’ THAT I’ll take my car to Nashville right now just to get one shot at Bill Smith !!
Peter Rabbit:
Do I have a grammar mistake? I didn’t notice.
“I’ve got 4 years of undergrad, 2 and a half years of grad school so far.”
You would have made my parents proud!
Albadejo’s Minor league totals
IP 537.1 ERA 3.54
HR/9 0.77 BB/9 1.73 K/9 7.37 WHIP 1.18
What a concept! A guy in the bullpen, other than Mariano, who can actually throw the ball over the plate!
#9: not if your parents saw the bills from NYU!
from ESPN:
1:09 a.m., from Jayson Stark
• The Yankees’ “by Monday night” deadline came and went. And Johan Santana was still a Twin when Tuesday arrived at the winter meeting. But even though the Yankees and Twins were still talking about different combinations as the night grew later and later, there was no indication that they were any closer to a deal for Santana than they were four days ago. In fact, if anything, the momentum seemed to be in the opposite direction. Officials from other clubs said several of the Yankees’ baseball personnel at the meetings had begun openly questioning whether they even wanted to make this trade if the Twins said yes. “The more this goes on,” said one AL executive, “the less they want to do it.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn…..r_meetings
YESS !!!:)
DadInIowa:
I think the talks could go on for months, off and on, or it could be over tonight. As I said earlier, this is about tesing Hank’s patience. Remember, this is his first foray with the other teams, so there’s some feeling out. Shouldn’t be hard for them to “read” Hank, though.
Phil:
I don’t see Minn. ponying up that kind of money. Anything outside of the normal operating budget doesn’t get spent.
You know the worst thing about these meetings? They are by far the most exciting part of the offseason but once they are over there is like a month of nothingness and thats excrusiating!!!
The Twins are a joke!! They were obviously just f–kin around with the Yanks. They asked for Hughes they got it and now they want 10 other prospects!! Why didn’t they ask for Joba and Cano??!! I don’t get it. They didn’t want them??!!So what does Beane want for Haren, 10 prospects or will he cut the Yanks a break and only ask for 6. What a joke, good thing this is over with now the joke of an organization can take there 1 draft pick next year.
CB
December 4th, 2007 at 1:10 am
Bobcat,
All the reports tonight make it sound that Boston is really not very serious in this. That they were really in it only to drive the price up. I saw that on multiple sources.
Any thoughts?
Were the twins ever interested in Horne or Jackson or did they never move off Kennedy?
Non-yankees - are the tigers seriously thinking about trading Andrew Miller in a package for Haren? Was reported on Yahoo. I can’t imagine trading that kind of left handed arm, especially after giving him that monster signing bonus only a year ago.
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You’ll know soon enough. If you wake up tomorrow and the Twins have traded Nathan to the Red Sox for Coco Crisp and Brendan Donnelly.
The Yankees told the Twins earlier that they did not want to include Horne or Jackson. Two GMs from other teams said they believe Horne is “a No. 5 starter,” but one scout said Jackson has tremendous potential.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/12/04/santana.update/index.html
Greg
What kind of loser says “YES!!!” when their favorite baseball team DOESNT acquire the best pitcher in baseball? By the way, that is a rhetorical question.
The rumor/hope going around this afternoon was that Albadejo was somehow related to Jessica Alba.
met fans keep talking about getting bedard… if your the phillies, who would you trade the mets bedard for besides reyes
They offered him 4/80, it would just be 2 more years at the same money. I guess we’ll see. Maybe they’ll just get the picks.
GreenBeret7:
Haven’t heard that one.
The Twins have reportedly asked for Jacoby Ellsbury, Jon Lester and Jed Lowrie from the Red Sox for Johan Santana.
Apparently, that and Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera and Ian Kennedy are their two ideal scenarios as return packages from Boston and New York. Since it doesn’t look l
-rotoworld
Vertigo,
get used to it. lots of people here have already anointed Hughes as Hall of Famer, best pitcher in baseball, extrordinaire….
“if they want horne and jackson, pull hughes, drop in kennedy… Call Boston’s bluff”
I like your idea. Kennedy/Jackson/Horne beats the Sox package…
Alright, bed time for me. Good discussion today. At least we had something go down, although it wasn’t what I was expecting!
GreenBeret
If the Red Sox get Nathan for Coco and Donnelly, I quit as a baseball fan. There is nothing you can do and it is no longer fun to be a fan when it is apparently the goal of every other team in baseball to literally hand the World Series to Boston every year.
#9 -
college is fun, but there comes a time to move on. i’m *almost* looking forward to graduation, even though i have no idea where i’m gonna end up working.
bobcat, please hire me? i can be your scribe while you dicate the posts you want to make on pete abe’s blog.
Phil:
That offer (4/80) was totally out of character for that franchise. Hard to imagine they would go two more years. I don’t think 20M per gets it done, though.
Bobcat,
One other - is there anything behind the mets being “very close” to landing bedard as has been widely reported?
I don’t see them having the prospects. And I’d think the O’s would move very slowly on moving Bedard. Wait at least until Santana’s situation is resolved with more clarity.
Vertigo: I just think it’s better long term to avoid giving up all our talent to pay santana $150 million
“#9: not if your parents saw the bills from NYU!”
Andrea - college costs are mind boggling these days but think of it as an investment.
Twins have reopened talks with Red Sox per Heyman/WFAN.
HEYMAN SAID YANKS TOLD TWINS TO TAKE A HIKE, TWINS NOW TALKING TO BOSTON
I could see if the mets had any real pitching prospects…. I wonder if they would have to trade maine or perez, or both….
Bobcat,
You spelled it Minniesota.
Thanks for the info. We’re getting pretty good at sniffing out the fakes. Won’t tell how, because they’re pretty sneaky.
Hey, a reliever that can throw strikes.
Boston Dave
I guess I just dont understand how people can ignore the facts. Phil Hughes may turn out to be great but it is not like we are trading him for Chris Capuano. We would be trading him for the best pitcher in baseball. This isnt just a convenient label, it is actual reality. He is basically Pedro Martinez but lefthanded (maybe a little stretch but pretty close). Somebody needs to do a little serious critical thinking before deciding to cheer missing out on Johan especially if he goes to Boston.
Greg,
did they decide to give Joba and Kennedy along with Hughes?
also, its heartwarming that you’re so concerned with the Steinbrenners billions. maybe you can help them with their 401k and look for a new vacation house. i personally dont care if they drop 150M for the best pitcher in baseball but i dont have the same consideration that you do.
i hope you guys are right about the twins/yanks talks being over. please, god, please!!
I said this morning that they will not be landing Santana now that Pettitte has returned.
I have little doubt that Cashman and Co. will be perfectly content going to war next April with Wang, Pettitte, Moose, Joba, and Hughes with Kennedy getting plenty of starts and Horne getting his shot at some point during the season.
They will probably kick the tires on Haren and Bedard, but they will not be pursued aggressively.
I said it last week but don’t be shocked if Santana starts Opening Day for the Twins.
Pettitte’s return has effectively changed everything and for good reason.
CB:
MacPhail is notorious for not making a quick decision. My guess is that the Mets don’t have enough top prospects to get Bedard, but it depends on how badly they want him. If you’re the O’s, do you take the best four that the Mets have to offer?
Vertigo,
like i said.. get used to it. and dont try to convince anyone. they have hard wired it in their heads….
Phil Hughes = Hall of Fame
John Heyman just said that the yanks said not to the horne jackson combo
Heyman reporting on WFAN that the yankees have turned down Hughes/ Horne/ Jackson/ Melky.
According to heyman the twins have recontacted the Sox.
now we see how serious the sawx are
“college is fun, but there comes a time to move on. i’m *almost* looking forward to graduation,”
Hughesian - I know where you are coming from - best of luck!
I really don’t see this deal going down. The longer you think about Phrancise being dealt away along with your CF the worse the taste in your mouth.
Too much has been invested in Hughes over the years, that also means the dreams and hopes. I think of the way he was pitching in the early part of his career - prior to the injury, and we all were impressed that he looked as advertised. Then after the injury he didn’t seem to have it.
Eiland came up, talked about how he saw some things in Hughes delivery being off, then shortly thereafter Hughes was doing better with each outing.
The Twins lost a good deal by looking for more. I think the Yankees dodged a bullet here.
The trade could very well still happen, but my gut says that the new Twins GM just doesn’t know the limits yet. Hank I think even started having second thoughts. With Pettitte back the need receeds a bit. It allows for more objectivity.
Sure Santana would be a great addition, but the cost the Twins were given was too much, then they asked for more.
I am not unhappy about this.
night all….
lets start the countdown…. its only 5 months until the season starts and Phil Hughes throws his first of many many perfect games en route to his hall of fame career and thirteen world series MVPs….
Brandon: Do you have a link?
“Heyman reporting on WFAN that the yankees have turned down Hughes/ Horne/ Jackson/ Melky.”
Good.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/12/04/santana.update/index.html
People involved in the talks said they believe the situation is coming to a head and that Minnesota will make its call, one way or the other, in fairly short order. The Yankees have been seen as the favorite, but Boston may have renewed hope based upon the midnight phone call.
if I were w/ Cash & Hank I’d jump over that table a KO Smith for that stupid suggestion
Greg:
From a pure baseball/business standpoint, the asking price is way too high at this point. But the Yankees’ model is not the norm.
mel:
Sorry about that. Fingers faster than brain. I don’t usually read all of the posts, sorry to say, just the most recent ones before I post, as most bad information is already exposed as such by the posters on this blog pretty quickly.
The Twins are now going back to the Red Sox to try and get the Yankees to cave. The Red Sox are not going to give the Twins Ellsbury and Lester. Hopefully the Yankees stand their ground on their original offer.
Greg
The 150 million should be irrelevant. The Yanks can afford it easily and it wont prevent them from spending that money on anybody else. The prospects are all that matter and none of them are even close to Santana at his worst (last year) and probably couldnt even dream of him at his best (2 CY youngs). Remember Oliver Perez was once a cant miss prospect as was Kris Benson supposed according to Gammons a multi CY Young winner as his future as have been numerous other guys. Hughes hasnt proved he cant be a consistent starter in the majors yet and you would rather keep that uncertainty then getting THE BEST PITCHER IN BASEBALL!!!!
If the Sox negotiate an extension what do you think the final terms would be?
Bobcat:
No way I take the mets top four prospects for Bedard. Not even close because if you trade Bedard you must get back front end pitching, preferably lefty for him.
Martinez/ Guerro/ Gomez/ Mulvey/ Pelfer/ Humber/ etc.
I can’t get 4 guys there for Bedard.
Bobcat December 4th, 2007 at 1:33 am
Greg:
From a pure baseball/business standpoint, the asking price is way too high at this point. But the Yankees’ model is not the norm.
mel:
Sorry about that. Fingers faster than brain.
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you know, bobcat, i have an excellent finger/brain connection, if that is of interest.
And I like Hughes, dont get me wrong. I think he will be an excellent pitcher and probably an ace. But the point is you cant be basing your hopes on probably. You have to go with as close a certainty as possible and you cant get any closer in baseball right now than Santana.
Bobcat,
lol. I don’t care. You were just wondering “out loud” what the error was.
twins going back to the red sox? i thought this was EXACTLY what hank wanted to avoid! if the twins went back to the red sox and hank plans on sticking by his word, it means that the yankees are out of it.
Bobcat
How involved in the negotiations is Cashman? Or is it all Mr. Steinbrenner?
CB:
A year ago, you might have done that trade, what with the status that Pelfrey and Humber enjoyed as “top prospects”. Funny how “prospects” can be just that; they are often better used to get an true ace. Just as long as you don’t have to give them ALL up at once….
They wanted BOTH?!?! Wow. It’s not like Santana is going to resign with them, and they arent going to get a better offer anywhere else than Hughes, Melky, and a 2nd tier prospect. Have fun with those 2 draft picks, Minnesota.
No one disagrees that Santana isn’t great! Some of us are a bit concerned at how badly he has performed against Boston & the last half of last year. He has pitched a lot of innings and that is a concern.
Hughes was exceptional last year before he got hurt & then again at end of year. Muscle injuries tend to linger even ater being “Healed”. This year could be very special for Hughes.
As always with pitching it is a chance thing. Either one could get hurt and then the whatifs start. (See Carl Pavano!)
Bobcat,
You’re writing is not as smooth as usual, must be the long day.
Anyway, thanks for keeping us night owls up to day. Between Baseball Tonight, the FAN, and these blogs, how can any of us get to sleep?
Watcha think Hank is doin right now? Really everybody, just try to envision it.
It’s hard to imagine him NOT sitting back in a big leather chair smoking a cigar, thinking really hard about Santana.
haha, of course I make a typo! Your*
hahah peter rabbit -
he’s probably got a cat on his lap as well, and he’s petting it as he puffs on his cigar. i can see it.
Glad to see the Yanks stood their ground. I’m fine with trading Melky, but we can’t lose AJax too.
now the sox are back in?! kill me.
if santana comes to new york, great.
if he stays in minnesota, fine.
if he winds up in boston, forget the next few years.
i envision all of this in front of a fireplace as well. damn i need to get to bed.
I’m hoping that Andy Pettitte and Brian Cashman have saved the farm.
Vertigo,
The sticking point is NOT Hughes. It’s that they want a former #1 prospect, a center fielder good enough to be a Yankee starter, and a 4-star prospect?
I think that “cold feet” sums it up very well. I’m glad that Hank is not chasing his shiny toy (and we all agree that it’s VERY shiny) at all costs. The old George would’ve chased and given in.
It’s a gamble, but the odds are if Santana hits the street he knows where to hit paydirt. Hank has a set dollar amount in his mind, whether it’s Dec. ‘08 or November ‘09, it’ll be the same.
Bobcat:
Well said. A year ago it doesn’t look so bad. But Pelfrey and Humber not developing have just wrecked the mets organization.
Its such an interesting comparison with the yakees.
The yanks made the right call in 2004 with Phil and then 2006 with that potentially historic draft of IPK/Joba and Betances.
Its something how dearly teams pay for making mistakes in the draft like the mets did with those two. You really get punished now with the price of pitching.
I wonder why everyone thinks it is ok to call Mr. Steinbrenner “Hank”. Are we on a first name basis with the man? Did we all have a nice handshake with him and he said “Sure, call me Hank.” I specifically refer to Peter Abraham since he is supposed to be the professional one here and yet he finds it in his infinite wisdom to refer to Mr. Steinbrenner as, in no particular order “Little Stein”, “Mini-Stein”, “Hammerin’ Hank” and “Hank”. I guess Mr. Abraham must be really good buddies with Mr. Steinbrenner to have as many off the cuff nicknames for the man as he does.
the twins request makes no sense.
“you can’t have kennedy, horne or jackson.”
“alright, how about horne AND jackson?”
i mean, sure they should be asking for the moon, but that defies logic.
when they called boston, did they ask for lester, ellsbury and bucholz?
Well, see you all tomorrow
kasey,
you honestly think the Red Sox will give up Lester, Ellsbury, and Lowrie?
kasey,
That’s the thing. What are the yankees supposed to do here?
There is no way they can accept those proposals for one year of santana and the rights to negotiate with him and give him $150 million.
I don’t know what the twins or sox are doing. But if they ask the yankees for Hughes/ Horne/ Jackson/ Melky and are turning around to boston to rehash a lester/ coco/lowrie/masterson deal what are you going to do?
Hughes was by far the best talent offered to the twins.
They’re not interested you have to move on.
kasey:
Remember that the Twins’ fans are reading each update with as much passion as Yankees’ fans. Part of this is the posturing for the fan base.
let the sux get Santana they are becoming the bad yankees. keep it up and the sux will win as many World series over the next 5 yrs. that the Yanks have.
For the person saying Sanatan is a gurantee, newsflash there are no guarantee’s in sports. Santana can get hurt Tuesday morning.. Paying that type of many and trading those type of prospects area very bad gamble.. If you think it is a sure thing getting Snatana leading the Yqnks to the WS you are wrong. .With Santana the Yanks are at best 2/1 to in it all and there pen sucks and there fielding would be much worse then last yr…
The Red Sox don’t need Santana. The Yanks do. The Twins need a replacement for Santana & a CF. The Yanks can wait till Free Agency for Santana. The Twins can’t. I expect the Twins to cave by end of next week & take Hughes/Melky/+1 mid range P prospect with a possible high ceiling.
Stuart
I said that Santana was closer to a guarantee than Hughes is. And if you can accept that than there isnt much that can help you.
i doubt hughes will be on the table next week.
Hughesian,
I agree, this was as much as saving Hughes as it was moving the process along.
From newsday:
I spoke to Hank Steinbrenner at 12:45 Eastern Standard Time this morning, and while he was pessimistic about the Yankees’ chances to get Santana, he said that talks with Minnesota were ongoing.
“Brian (Cashman) was giving them one more shot, and we’ll see what happens, ” Steinbrenner said. “It doesn’t look good to me.”
Steinbrenner later added: “We’ll sleep on it. Whatever it is, we’ll discuss it one final time. But I’m beginning to think they just don’t want to trade him.”
I want someone to explain to me why the Twins would trade the best pitcher in baseball to the team that already won the World Series, obviously making an already good team even better for a package of players that wouldnt help them compete anytime soon when they could get a much better package elsewhere. If they dont go with our deal, then they had damn well better not go with the Red Sox deal because they would be better off taking the draft picks. Since when is a center fielder who has played probably 20 games in the majors the equal to the best pitcher in baseball. At least if you get Hughes you are getting a guy who has the potential to replace the ace you are trading away. With Ellsbury you are getting a leadoff man. Those two things really seem to be equal.
I still say, if Yanks don’t get Santana, he’ll stay in Minny.
Boston doesn’t need him, and they aren’t there to get him in the first place. They aren’t desperate enough to offer a package that will satisfy the Twins. They’re just in it to add to the injury and drive up the price.
If the twins come back to Hank and company it’ll be interesting to see what happens.
It sounded like it was gut wrenching for the organization to even offer up hughes at all.
Cash told Jason stark he was worried that if they pulled off the deal he’d be giving up a Cy young award winner who’d haunt the yankees for years.
There’s a lot of posturing in there but I’m sure this was not easy.
I wonder if the twins have blown there chance to land Phil. If they need reapproach the yankees at some later time they’ll be doing so with even less leverage.
Though I’m sure these discussions are far from over for right now…
CB,
agreed. if they really turn around and take a lesser package from boston, what can you do? i was all for including hughes in the deal and the yankees did that. hughes, cabrera and a b-level prospect is a solid offer. if the twins, for whatever reason, prefer the boston packages, then that’s that. i think boston has the division pretty much sewn up for a few years if they get santana, but what can you do? i guess it takes some of the pressure off the kids (right).
i just think people have to set realistic expectations. you want to watch the kids grow? fine. it should be exciting. but don’t expect a championship with a rotation of wang, pettitte and three rookies. also, prepare yourself for the reality that NONE of the kids pans out. or that only one of them pans out. the odds of all three being good are slim-to-none. so, while you’re crowing about the cy youngs hughes is going to rack up and the hitters joba’s going to blow away, stop and ask yourself, “how many prospects actually live up to expectations.” if you want to watch the yankees build from within, fine. be prepared to witness - at the very least - some failure along the way.
now, if you want the yankees to win NOW, then you’ve got to be awfully disappointed that they didn’t get santana. because, without a certified ace (and, sorry, wang showed the world he ain’t one) they aren’t winning anything this year, no matter how much the offense mashes.
One thought just came to me.
Hughes was offered on either Thursday or Friday, right? It was said that Pettitte decided on Saturday that he was going to return. I now think that Pettitte, upon hearing that the Yankees were going to possibly lose Hughes gave him the push to return.
Pettitte is a long time, true blue Yankee. I believe he really was set to retire, but seeing the Yankees moving toward dealing a