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Donnie Baseball does some business

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 05, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Ran into Don Mattingly yesterday. He was here for the giant trade show that is held in conjunction with the meetings.

The new coach of the Dodgers – doesn’t that still seem weird? – has an equipment company called Mattingly Baseball. They sell bats, batting gloves, apparel and bat bags for kids and adults, baseball or softball.

Check out their site if you know a baseball player. Donnie’s bats work, a few of us media hackers used them in our games last season and even we hit.

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349 Responses to “Donnie Baseball does some business”

  1. God December 5th, 2007 at 1:01 pm

    Hey peter just had to say u look so much like my history teacher its freaky

  2. Go NYY December 5th, 2007 at 1:04 pm

    Stuck in school………….. Any news or rumors?

  3. Yoggis December 5th, 2007 at 1:05 pm

    Hopefully, Donnie will come back into the Yankee tent. The move to Dodgers is not a good career move. He is still dear to the heart of old Yankee fans.

  4. hmmm December 5th, 2007 at 1:13 pm

    santana santana santana

    ok, go.

  5. MikeinBH December 5th, 2007 at 1:13 pm

    I want everybody to take a step back and think about the Santana situation. I truly believe the Yanks have been positioning themselves to eventually acquire him for years. They certainly aren’t giving up at this point. They did not want to include Hughes ever, that was all positioning. They envision a rotation that has Wang, Santana, Hughes and Joba heading into the new stadium. Here is how everything played out so far:

    1) Twins announce they will shop Santana.
    2) Yanks say they will make a bid.
    3) Yanks prepare offer of Kennedy, Melky and others.
    4) Red Sox jump in with offer of Crisp, Lester, Lowrie and Masterson.
    5) Yanks up ante and substitute Hughes for Kennedy.
    6) Yanks/Hank set deadline for Twins to accept offer (at the same time sending a message to Santana publicly how much they want him).
    7) Deadline passes, no deal.
    8) Red Sox step in, not believing the Yanks to be out and are said to be close to a deal for Santana.
    9) Hank issues a statement saying the Yanks emphatically are out.
    10) Red Sox realize Hank is serious and pull out as well.
    11) Yanks state they never wanted to part with Hughes and money is also a concern.
    12) Twins left with nothing now.
    13) Yanks win in 1 of 2 ways. The Twins come back to the Yanks and ask for Kennedy, Melky, and a few other prospects in a quantity deal that is sure to bring better PR than 2 draft picks. OR if the Twins keep Santana, Hank has sent a very public message to Santana to call him up first when he reaches FA next year. Yanks were never going to give up Hughes. They will get him at their price this year or through FA next year. That was Cash’s plan all along and he is about 85% through it so far.

  6. sunny615 December 5th, 2007 at 1:14 pm

    If Bill Smith accepted a “lesser” (Kennedy) offer from the Yankees for Santana when he had already refused a Hughes package, there would be a nice bonfire waiting for Smith when he got off the plane in MN… with a big stake in the middle and some rope.

  7. MikeinBH December 5th, 2007 at 1:16 pm

    Sunny:

    Not if that was the offer vs. 2 draft picks. If the greatest pitcher in the leagues right now is let go for two draft picks, Smith will get stoned. Nobody was going to give fair value for Santana given his contract demands. Fans will certainly accept a package headed by Kennedy, Melky and others over 2 draft picks that may turn into nothing.

  8. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    sunny615
    December 5th, 2007 at 1:14 pm

    If Bill Smith accepted a “lesser” (Kennedy) offer from the Yankees for Santana when he had already refused a Hughes package, there would be a nice bonfire waiting for Smith when he got off the plane in MN… with a big stake in the middle and some rope.

    Hank and Cash can get him in the witness protection program. Give him a new name a new identity. Do it Bill. We’ll take care of you.

  9. berra8 December 5th, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    I think saying the red sox have pulled their deal is pure speculation. i haven’t read anything remotely reflecting that. for what its worth, will carroll is reporting on bp.com that the deal will get done, but that the twins are just getting a second opinion on lester’s arm. so, i don’t think we’re out of the woods yet.

  10. MikeinBH December 5th, 2007 at 1:18 pm

    This is the Randy Johnson trade all over again. Randy basically dictated where he wanted to go, limiting what the D-Backs were able to get back for him. While Santana has not said the Yanks are the only team he would play for, I DO believe that are the only team that needs/wants him bad enough to pay him $20+ million per year.

  11. baseball expert December 5th, 2007 at 1:18 pm

    the more realistic trade is kennedy, melky, and horne

  12. Brian December 5th, 2007 at 1:18 pm

    Pete, I hope Donny Baseball hooks you up with some stuff for the free plug :)

  13. MikeinBH December 5th, 2007 at 1:19 pm

    Berra:

    Do you really believe the Sox, coming off a World Championship, are going to rock the boat and offer Santana a huge deal and then have to up the ante for Beckett as well. Why fix what isn’t broken?

  14. berra8 December 5th, 2007 at 1:22 pm

    i’m not saying it will happen, i’m just saying you guys are talking like the deal is dead. i don’t think that’s the case at all.

  15. #9 December 5th, 2007 at 1:23 pm

    With the Tigers adding Dontrelle & Mig to their team – this changes the way the Minny Twins see the division i.e. they now “need” Santana.

  16. hmmm December 5th, 2007 at 1:24 pm

    “for what its worth, will carroll is reporting on bp.com that the deal will get done”

    considering Carroll reported the deal done yesterday i am not sure its worth very much.

  17. Scooter December 5th, 2007 at 1:25 pm

    *IF* Santana becomes a free agent after 2008, it’s very nice timing for the Yankees – lots of guys off the books, including:
    Giambi (with buyout)
    Farnsworth
    Pavano
    Mussina
    Abreu

    AND the new Stadium is opening up (with lots of luxury boxes)

    If I’m Santana, I ask for 5/125 or 6/150 on an extension – for openers – or I’d invoke the NTC and become a free agent. It’s a bit of a dice roll – but unless he has some shoulder or arm problem we don’t know about, he’d be a fool not to become a free agent.

  18. Flam December 5th, 2007 at 1:26 pm

    C’mon someone on this blog has got to know something…

    Where;s Milller???

    And Bobcat…spill your beans…

  19. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 1:26 pm

    Will Carroll is awful at reporting. I’m not saying that there won’t be a deal, but his credibility is shot with me.

  20. sunny615 December 5th, 2007 at 1:27 pm

    MikeinBH – If the Yankees were trading Arod and we got an offer of Miggy Cabrera, Dontrelle Willis and two other prospects. We waffled, and then accepted an offer of Dontrelle willis, and decent prospects, would you

    A) Hang Cashman
    B) Burn Cashman alive
    or
    C) Run over Cashman with your SUV 500 times?

  21. satania cometh December 5th, 2007 at 1:27 pm

    The deal is unofficial done.

    Red Sox 2008: 132-30 (at worst)

  22. Chicago Dave December 5th, 2007 at 1:28 pm

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

    GO METS!!!

  23. whozat December 5th, 2007 at 1:28 pm

    “will carroll is reporting on bp.com that the deal will get done, but that the twins are just getting a second opinion on lester’s arm.”

    Then why are the Twins all of a sudden trying to reach out to other teams to drum up offers? It sounds to me like they’re still not so happy with the Sox’s offer – which makes total sense.

    I just don’t think that they’re going to get the kind of deal they want. If they keep him, I think Cash won the game of high-stakes chicken.

  24. sunny615 December 5th, 2007 at 1:28 pm

    On an off topic – Here’s something on Pettitte (Mr. Man of his word):

    Andy Pettitte stuck to his pledge that he would either be a Yankee or a retiree in 2008, informing the Yankees on Sunday that he would return. But the Astros _ for whom Pettitte pitched from 2004 through 2006, and, more relevantly, who play major-league baseball in the city where Pettitte lives _ made a hard push.

    Among those who called Pettitte in recruiting efforts: New manager Cecil Cooper, ace Roy Oswalt, slugger Lance Berkman and veteran starting pitcher Woody Williams, who has a longstanding relationship with Pettitte and Roger Clemens.

    Pettitte had to be somewhat tempted. But one underreported aspect of Pettitte’s and Clemens’ time in Houston was their frustration with the Astros’ team culture _ that, unlike the Yankees, the Astros, in the two pitchers’ minds, weren’t 100 percent committed to winning.

    Dan Davidoff story link

  25. hmmm December 5th, 2007 at 1:28 pm

    “With the Tigers adding Dontrelle & Mig to their team – this changes the way the Minny Twins see the division i.e. they now “need” Santana.”

    either that or they decide they can’t compete in 2008 anyway so they have to trade him.

    no one knows.

  26. SJ44 December 5th, 2007 at 1:31 pm

    Peter Gammons, who is the defacto Minister of Information for the Red Sox, says the deal is dead.

    On Red Sox matters, Peter Gammons v. Will Carroll? I choose Gammons 100% of the time.

    FWIW, Stark and Olney also believe the deal is dead.

  27. Doreen December 5th, 2007 at 1:31 pm

    I don’t necessarily think going to LA was a bad career move for Donnie at all. As he’s said, all he’s ever known is the Yankees, and so the prospect of someone outside the Yankees ever hiring him as a manager are probably slim. Even if he managed at the minor league level for the Yankees, this could be said of him — all he knows is the Yankees. Could he even operate in the NL? So, now he gets exposure to the National League, for one. In addition, I heard him interviewed, maybe a month ago, and although he is starting out as the hitting coach over there, he said that will probably not always be the case. They all just felt that that’s where the most help was needed and he’s the ideal person for that position right now.

  28. TheGhostOfAlvaroEspinoza December 5th, 2007 at 1:31 pm

    I think one thing Bobcat said (and I do believe it was the real deal) rings especially true: with all this rumor and speculation flying around, feeding the 24-hour beast, the “real” deals haven’t gotten to the mainstream media until they were already completed. The Miggy Cab trade essentially came out of nowhere and blindsided everyone…none of the outlets had the seed of a rumor planted, and all of a sudden the deal was done, just like that. That’s why all this rumor and speculation is fun and good for mental exercise, but, you can’t necessarily put too much stock in what you’re hearing.

  29. SamInPA December 5th, 2007 at 1:31 pm

    Miller and Bobcat where you at boys.

  30. RosterRooster December 5th, 2007 at 1:31 pm

    These screaming kids are giving me a headache.

  31. stuart December 5th, 2007 at 1:33 pm

    how about Damarso Marte for a few young 2nd tier arms??

    He has put up good #’s..

    Was he originally yankee property??

    He is a legit lefty specialist…Much better then Mahay and cheaper.

    Vizis not coming back, the prices for the bum relief pitchers is insane….

  32. berra8 December 5th, 2007 at 1:33 pm

    SJ,

    Did they say “dead”?

  33. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 1:34 pm

    berra8
    December 5th, 2007 at 1:33 pm

    SJ,

    Did they say “dead”?

    On the Max Keller man show, Jayson Stark said the deal “Exploded”

  34. sunny615 December 5th, 2007 at 1:34 pm

    If all indications that no one is willing to meet Smith’s exorbant price tag, why can’t he just call it day and say we’re keepin’ him. What’s with all the horseplay?

  35. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 1:35 pm

    Where do Stark and Olney say that?

  36. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 1:36 pm

    Interesting, is “exploded” deader than dead?

  37. berra8 December 5th, 2007 at 1:36 pm

    exploded? wow.

  38. XXX December 5th, 2007 at 1:36 pm

    12:58 p.m., from Amy Nelson
    • Since news broke of the Marlins-Tigers blockbuster, Detroit left-hander Andrew Miller has not heard a word from anyone in the Tigers’ organization. One of Miller’s agents ran into Jim Leyland in the hotel lobby Tuesday night, and Leyland told him the deal wasn’t anywhere close to getting done. What is unclear is whether any of the eight players involved have to physically be examined, which is why the trade could be held up. So far, Miller and his agents have not been told anything. Word is that the deal might not be completed until after the winter meetings — unless there are other factors preventing it from getting done.

    Miller, in fact, is working out at the Tigers’ spring training complex in Lakeland, Fla. He met with the trainers this morning, had his sore left knee worked on, and is now out playing golf with some of his teammates. Late in the season, Miller had an MRI on his left knee, where it turned out there was some mild cartilage damage. He’s been rehabbing it ever since. Since he’s officially still a Tiger, he wasn’t denied treatment.

    12:15 p.m., from Peter Gammons
    • Don’t expect to see a Twins-Red Sox or Twins-Yankees whopper. The sense is now that Minnesota will hold onto Johan Santana.

  39. hmmm December 5th, 2007 at 1:36 pm

    the Mets can’t make this trade without Reyes, which they won’t do.

  40. S.o.S.27 December 5th, 2007 at 1:37 pm

    Minny still needs a centerfielder. Melky and one of A prospect pitchers for Nathan?

  41. raymagnetic December 5th, 2007 at 1:37 pm

    12:15 p.m., from Peter Gammons
    • Don’t expect to see a Twins-Red Sox or Twins-Yankees whopper. The sense is now that Minnesota will hold onto Johan Santana.

  42. mel December 5th, 2007 at 1:38 pm

    Would the Dalai Lama of Baseball lie?

    12:15 p.m., from Peter Gammons
    • Don’t expect to see a Twins-Red Sox or Twins-Yankees whopper. The sense is now that Minnesota will hold onto Johan Santana.

  43. ~Adam. December 5th, 2007 at 1:38 pm

    Why don’t the Mets trade Reyes????

    Seems like a no brainer. Reyes is a problem and they’re not going anywhere unless they get pitching.

  44. mel December 5th, 2007 at 1:38 pm

    Sorry for the repost. lol.

  45. ~Adam. December 5th, 2007 at 1:39 pm

    Reyes for Santana I mean.

  46. berra8 December 5th, 2007 at 1:39 pm

    gammons’ statement does not mean anything. don’t expect a trade doesn’t mean that the teams aren’t still negotiating.

  47. PB in DC December 5th, 2007 at 1:39 pm

    rejoice if the sox-twins deal is dead… b/c it changes everything in my opinion.

    As long as santana is not on the Red Sox, I care alot less about where he ends up.

    Doesn’t change the fact that this Yankees team needs a true ace for 2008 season… we’ll see.

  48. sunny615 December 5th, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    so then why are the twins trying to engage other teams? It’s apparent they’re trying to create a false market here… is Smithy really that stupid or is there something there?

  49. Flam December 5th, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    How is Reyes a problem?

  50. S.o.S.27 December 5th, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    adam-Why don’t the Mets trade Reyes????

    probably the same reason we dont trade Cano. Too much upside and all-star caliber.

  51. stuart December 5th, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    why not trade Reyes. Because he is a really good player, is young, and does not make a fortune yet…

    a very good everyday player is huge for the regular season….

  52. Wee Willie Wilkins December 5th, 2007 at 1:41 pm

    From the Newark Star-Ledger’s Ed Price (12:44 p.m.): “A baseball official close to Boston management, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to disclose information, confirmed the Red Sox and Twins today are continuing to negotiate on players in a possible deal. And, the official said, the Red Sox are not making offers as if there is still competition for Santana. The official said that opposed to 24 hours earlier — when the Red Sox were waiting to hear back from the Twins — the teams are engaged, and that increases the likelihood of a deal. And while one rumor had the deal in trouble because Minnesota learned Boston outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury just switched agents to Scott Boras, the official said the Twins are still interested in Ellsbury.”

  53. ~Adam. December 5th, 2007 at 1:42 pm

    Reye gives less than 100%.
    Besides going 0-for-september.

    I’d trade him for Santana, in heart beat. Figure out short and keep other guys.

  54. saw boggs strike out the side December 5th, 2007 at 1:42 pm

    cash is a genius
    by pulling out of the santana sweepstakes he took the air out of boston wanting him, now he may be going elsewhere or nowhere.
    and the yankees still have the big 3
    way to go BC!

  55. Richard C December 5th, 2007 at 1:43 pm

    Peter

    That was nice of you to plug Mattingly’s business. I will miss having him around the Yankees.

  56. Kill-Schill(ing) December 5th, 2007 at 1:43 pm

    SJ44, if you’ll permit me a follow-up question from the last thread.

    SJ44, even if Bill Smith calls the Yankees to initiate the discussion, you don’t think the Yankees would revisit a trade?

    What if the Twins return and say okay we’ll take that Hughes, Cabrera, and [B-level prospect] offer; or we’ll take Hughes and Austin Jackson alone?

    You don’t think the Yankees would re-consider.

    Also, what did you think of Joel Sherman’s insinuation in today’s NY Post that Hughes’ conditioning concerns the Yankees.

  57. S.o.S.27 December 5th, 2007 at 1:43 pm

    Cashman, GO FOR SHEETS!!!

  58. sunny615 December 5th, 2007 at 1:44 pm

    well, everything everyone has reported on Santana and any Twins deal has been wrong so far, so until someone (a GM) clearly says one thing or another, it’s all hearsay/rumor.

    Personally, can’t wait til this thing is over.

  59. Doreen December 5th, 2007 at 1:45 pm

    sunny615 -

    Well, at least for the most part, it’s kept people from talking about A-somebody. ;)

  60. A-Point December 5th, 2007 at 1:45 pm

    I heard that Santana is going to the D’Backs for Randy Johnson.

    :evil:

  61. hmmm December 5th, 2007 at 1:45 pm

    “I’d trade him for Santana, in heart beat. Figure out short and keep other guys.”

    ok. that’s you. most GMs wouldn’t.

  62. mel December 5th, 2007 at 1:46 pm

    Flam,

    Early in the flameout at the end of the season, Reyes had attitude issues on the field.

    It was detailed here:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09.....ref=slogin

    Nobody could foresee that the Mets would implode.

    Despite his talent, he’s not Jeter

  63. A-Point December 5th, 2007 at 1:47 pm

    I heard Santana is going to the Rockies for a box of humidor balls. :twisted:

  64. ~Adam. December 5th, 2007 at 1:49 pm

    A guy like that, with attitude issues, I don’t want on my team. I trade his skill and attitude for Santana’s skill and attitude anyday. Id rather put Eckstein at short. Just improved that teams heart 200%.

  65. raymagnetic December 5th, 2007 at 1:51 pm

    Id rather put Eckstein at short. Just improved that teams heart 200%.

    I know this is a joke right? Although Eikstein’s PUD is probably the greatest in the majors.

  66. Irabu's Son December 5th, 2007 at 1:52 pm

    FYI,

    Mattingly’s bats deaden faster than regular bats because of his patented grip. It makes you hold the bat in the same position, so the ball always hits the bat on the same plane. After a few games, his bats are useless!!

    Free Advice :)

  67. Flam December 5th, 2007 at 1:52 pm

    …and can we get rid of Sean Henn please. Havent we given him enough chances.

  68. SJ44 December 5th, 2007 at 1:53 pm

    If the Twins would take Kennedy, Marquez and Hilligoss, I think the Yankees would re-consider.

    I don’t think they will change their minds and put Hughes in the deal. Its why I believe the deal is dead from the Yankees side.

    I think Joel Sherman believes he is the only baseball writer in the city and his opinion is all that matters.

    If the Yankees spend money, he whines about it. If they don’t, he whines about it. He loves playing both sides of the fence. The Hughes shot was a cheap shot and not entirely accurate.

    Phil Hughes is a 21 year old kid. Is he lazy? No. He’s a kid learning about how to be a pro. Just as Cano and Cabrera have learned the past 2 years. Its a process.

    Not everybody shows up in a big league clubhouse, as Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriquez and Joba Chamberlain did at 21, being fully formed from a preparation standpoint. They are exceptions, not the rule.

    Two things that will help Hughes this season is having Dave Eiland (someone he is very close to) as his pitching coach and being around Joba everyday.

    Joba is a workout freak. A Clemens/Pettitte type of workout fanatic. I think that will rub off on Hughes. It already has.

    Hughes was babied too much in the system and he was also overhyped a bit because of the Yankees desperation to develop their own players. In a way, that has hurt him.

    However, he is a kid with a huge upside. Even now, he is the best player Bill Smith could have gotten for Santana in any machinations of these deals. He blew it not pulling the trigger on that deal.

  69. ~Adam. December 5th, 2007 at 1:53 pm

    whats PUD again?

  70. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 5th, 2007 at 1:54 pm

    I heard Santana is going to the Rockies for a box of humidor balls.

    we’re getting better w/ our SMILEYS aren’t we :twisted:

  71. Bill from NJ December 5th, 2007 at 1:55 pm

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.s.....nkees.html

  72. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 1:55 pm

    ~Adam.
    December 5th, 2007 at 1:53 pm

    whats PUD again?

    Percentage of Uniform that gets Dirty. I think

  73. raymagnetic December 5th, 2007 at 1:57 pm

    PUD – Percentage of Uniform Dirty. Coined by Migames.

  74. ~Adam. December 5th, 2007 at 1:59 pm

    I don’t even want Reyes on my fantasy team. I’d be afraid he’d have fantasy issues, screw up my fantasy clubhouse, and fantasy team chemistry.

  75. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 2:00 pm

    Bill from NJ
    December 5th, 2007 at 1:55 pm

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.s.....nkees.html

    Great news. Tell them to give up Buchholz and Ellsbury or else the big bad Yanks are going to swoop in.

  76. Kill-Schill(ing) December 5th, 2007 at 2:00 pm

    Thanks for the insight, SJ44.

    I still think the Yankees will have made a grave miscalculation by refusing to trade a package of Hughes, Cabrera, Marquez, and Hiligoss, if Santana ends up in Boston.

    I’d love to see them re-consider trading three of those four, if the Twins realize they have to trade him to Boston because it’s the best offer they have.

    Despite Olney, Gammons, and Stark, Heyman and the Star-Ledger still think Boston and the Twins are going to make a deal for Santana.

    I never thought I’d actually want Peter Gammons to be right. But in this instance, I do.

  77. Charlie December 5th, 2007 at 2:01 pm

    Nice to see Donnie following the Joe Torre path to success. Whore yourself out to every rinky-dink equipment manufacturer and tea purveyor on the face of the planet. The hell with the winter meetings or building a championship club. Let’s move some product, people. Really, these guys are two peas in a pod. They belong in L.A., the both of them.

  78. ~Adam. December 5th, 2007 at 2:01 pm

    Ecks has a .613 PUD. Which is like the .400 BA, or 30 win season.

  79. kei igawa's sunglasses December 5th, 2007 at 2:02 pm

    ~Adam.
    December 5th, 2007 at 1:59 pm
    I don’t even want Reyes on my fantasy team. I’d be afraid he’d have fantasy issues, screw up my fantasy clubhouse, and fantasy team chemistry.

    Hahaha classic.

  80. S.o.S.27 December 5th, 2007 at 2:02 pm

    Joba is a workout freak. A Clemens/Pettitte type of workout fanatic

    Whatever that workout is I assume it doesnt include situps. How can I get a copy of this workout regime. It sounds like something I would enjoy(avoiding abs all together).

  81. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 2:03 pm

    Steven A Smith is UNBEARABLE!!!

  82. vrsce December 5th, 2007 at 2:04 pm

    SJ44,
    You got it right. Smith blew it. He asked for Hughes, he was offered Hughes; in a fit of amateurish greed and incompetence, he held out for more and will now have to take less, or nothing.
    What a moron. The media is already starting to question his strategy.

  83. Kill-Schill(ing) December 5th, 2007 at 2:04 pm

    Hey, SJ44, may I ask what you do for a living?

    I’m a lawyer and have been trying to get a job with the Player’s Union and/or legal jon with a player agency for years. But i’ve had no success.

    Any thoughts on how to enhance my prospects?

  84. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 2:05 pm

    Hughes said after the season that he was going to work out in Tampa all winter to get himself in the best possible shape. Having Andy around will help greatly as well.

  85. gayle December 5th, 2007 at 2:06 pm

    From the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. I dont know either of the players beyond name but I know some on this blog are high on Marte

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg.....irates.xml

    On another front, the Pirates and New York Yankees are discussing a trade involving Damaso Marte. Another left-handed reliever, John Grabow, has come up in talks, too, but the focus is thought to be on Marte. The Pirates and Yankees had not made contact regarding relievers until last night.

  86. ~Adam. December 5th, 2007 at 2:07 pm

    So Reyes is the center of your new young Mets squad.

    He goes something like .200 in Sept., is a leadoff hitter who thinks he’s home run hitter, cant’ get on base when he needs to, doesn’t give 100%, gives a lapdance to anyone willing on the rare occasion he does something well, and the other kids look up to him?

    You’re all telling me you’d rather have Reyes sans-Santana over Santana and Ecks?

  87. stuart December 5th, 2007 at 2:07 pm

    sj great posts.. but give me your opinion on Marte and can he help the Yanks..

  88. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 2:07 pm

    Joba weighs 75 pounds less than he did in high school.

  89. S.o.S.27 December 5th, 2007 at 2:07 pm

    Mike-December 5th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
    Steven A Smith is UNBEARABLE!!!

    Im with you on this. I cant stand listening to him on the radio.Doesnt know what the hell hes talking about and the yelling is obnoxious. How he got his gig is beyond me.

  90. Brian December 5th, 2007 at 2:08 pm

    Am I missing something with the Willis/Cabrera deal?

    1st of all, where’s the left handed bat that scares you in the DET lineup?

    Secondly…um, has anyone seen Dontrelle’s numbers as of the last couple of years…he has been terrible, and now he’s moving to a tougher league? he’s a non-factor. If the yankees acquired him could you even make a case he cracks the rotation? a 5.17 ERA in ’07up from a near 4 ERA in ’06 and a 1.60 WHIP in ’07…up from a 1.42 WHIP in ’06

  91. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 2:08 pm

    If Star_Ledger is right, the explosion must have been a dud.

  92. Mister Delaware December 5th, 2007 at 2:10 pm

    “I’ve always found Inge to be a tough out.” – Francesa

    “Inge has a .304 career OBP.” – Mister Delaware

  93. sunny615 December 5th, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    ~Adam.
    December 5th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
    whats PUD again?
    ——-
    Bill Smith.

  94. berra8 December 5th, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    rosenthal is reporting on foxsports.com that the teams (red sox and twins) “just aren’t matching up” names at this point in a trade for santana. so, at the very least, it sounds less likely to occur than it did yesterday.

  95. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 5th, 2007 at 2:12 pm

    Mike-December 5th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
    Steven A Smith is UNBEARABLE!!!

    he fell out the stupid bus when it comes to baseball, oh and the great Steve Philips is about to speak :twisted:

  96. Yanksrule57 December 5th, 2007 at 2:12 pm

    S.o.S.27 December 5th, 2007 at 2:07 pm

    Mike-December 5th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
    Steven A Smith is UNBEARABLE!!!

    Im with you on this. I cant stand listening to him on the radio.Doesnt know what the hell hes talking about and the yelling is obnoxious. How he got his gig is beyond me.

    Look who he works for and what kind of organization they are. Then think about your last sentence and I bet you can answer your own question.

  97. sabernar December 5th, 2007 at 2:12 pm

    He should have named his company Donnie Baseball.

  98. rodg12 December 5th, 2007 at 2:12 pm

    Brian – Who cares if they don’t have a “dominant” lefty bat. They do have Granderson (who’s pretty dang close to dominant), Guillen (switch), and Jacque Jones as lefties though. Sheff, Miggy Cab and Maggs flat out mash ANYONE. Righty, Lefty, doesn’t matter. Plus, this club will DESTROY lefties and righty hitters in the bigs have far better splits against same-hand pitchers because they face them way more and wouldn’t have made it to the bigs without being able to hit them. Their line-up will rival the Yanks.

  99. Tseng December 5th, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    Pete, if I remember correctly, though, you did not get a hit. Maybe you should ask Donnie for some tips!

  100. jashell2000 December 5th, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    I’m not too worried about the Tigers, other than they can hit you to death if your pitching sucks. D-Train will be exposed in the AL. He is good, but I feel that he is slightly overrated especially coming off the year he just had. He just got moved from a JV league to varsity so I expect him to level out even more now. El Tigres still have issues on the mound and now with Zumaya out, I can’t say much for their pen either. It still comes down to pitching boys…

  101. S.o.S.27 December 5th, 2007 at 2:15 pm

    Yankrule57

    Thanks. I should of known.

  102. Jax December 5th, 2007 at 2:15 pm

    Joba needs to continue to keep his weight down.

  103. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2007 at 2:16 pm

    So…Where does Inge go to and for what pitchers. He’s out of a job.

  104. Brian December 5th, 2007 at 2:16 pm

    rodg12 – first of all, I never said ‘dominant’

    And actually my post was more to point out that they probably overpaid if they are expecting big things from Dontrelle. The articles I’ve read haven’t really made too much of the fact that he’s struggled mightily lately.

  105. JGNYC December 5th, 2007 at 2:16 pm

    This optimistic fool still has full confidence in Cash, Hank, and Hal.

  106. Chris NY December 5th, 2007 at 2:16 pm

    Charlie, I’d hardly call it Whoring himself out. If I’m not mistaken, I believe it’s Mattingly’s company and he started or helped start it. He was a retired baseball player moving on to a new business.

    And, last time I checked, Atheletes make plenty of money on endorsements and things just like this. But you’re right, Derek Jeter, Michael Jordan, Donnie Baseball, bunch of whores……

    Last time I checked, bench coaches and hitting coaches don’t usually report to the winter meetings.

  107. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 2:17 pm

    Mister Delaware
    December 5th, 2007 at 2:10 pm

    “I’ve always found Inge to be a tough out.” – Francesa

    “Inge has a .304 career OBP.” – Mister Delaware

    “I am a mindless schill that can’t do research” – Francesa

  108. Flam December 5th, 2007 at 2:17 pm

    Everyone always complains about Mike and the Happy Puppy but everyone still listens to them.

    Me Included.

  109. Brian December 5th, 2007 at 2:18 pm

    rodg12, excellent points about their lineup, it’s going to be good, my point was just that I would have expected some focus toward a left handed bat at some point..i guess that’s not really out there though. It’s quite a formiddable lineup.

  110. yanks December 5th, 2007 at 2:19 pm

    jashell2000 December 5th, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    I’m not too worried about the Tigers, other than they can hit you to death if your pitching sucks. D-Train will be exposed in the AL. He is good, but I feel that he is slightly overrated especially coming off the year he just had. He just got moved from a JV league to varsity so I expect him to level out even more now. El Tigres still have issues on the mound and now with Zumaya out, I can’t say much for their pen either. It still comes down to pitching boys…

    Amen..
    and the yanks have a ton of pitching..

    not

  111. gayle December 5th, 2007 at 2:19 pm

    Chris y ou are correct on a profile they did on his batting company last year on Kids on Deck (yes I know that show really isnt for the opver 40 crowd but I can help myself on Sundays at 11AM) he started it with a friend of his from Indiana. They cameup with the idea when they were in a barn one day about 3-4 years ago. Donnie is the last person who “whores” himself out.

  112. migames December 5th, 2007 at 2:19 pm

    i’ve been busy today, but i wanted to point out hmmmm’s great point: If this trade doesn’t happen and the twins are left with santana for this year and the yankees end up signing him next year, theo would have caused the yankees to keep hughes/melky and santana next year…

    …that put a smile on my face

  113. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 2:19 pm

    I have heard Steven A Smith tell callers…smart callers that have stats…that they aren’t smarter than Steve Phillips because “STEVE PHILLIPS was a GENERAL MANAGER. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? You mean to tell me that A CALLER knows more than STEVE PHILLIPS!?!? Ridiculous!”

  114. SJ44 December 5th, 2007 at 2:20 pm

    Heyman also thinks the Mets are “in it” because they had a conversation with the Twins.

    I’ll take what Olney and Gammons have to say because they have better sources.

    Kill Schill,

    I’d rather not say what I do for a living. Let’s just say its in the sports industry and leave it at that.

    The best opportunity to get a look from the union is to go to places where the entire industry meets. Such as the Winter Meetings, for example.

    Its really the best place to network.

    Next year, its going to be in Vegas. Needless to say, expect a huge turnout of industry people! lol

  115. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 5th, 2007 at 2:20 pm

    I just can’t stand listening to SAS talk baseball go to basketball please let BT or Max Kellerman do baseball. He pratically has Detroit winning the WS the way he talks

  116. Ranting Guy December 5th, 2007 at 2:21 pm

    MikeBH – you have an interesting theory there.

    If that’s what’s going on it could never officially be stated as so, otherwise those ‘tampering’ cries will come out of all the woodwork in Boston and Minnesota.

    They’d still be whining even if everyone already knows NY would like to trade for him now but would also be happy to offer him a FA deal without giving up any more than whatever the draft pick compensation is for a FA lot to the market.

    Hank didn’t have to say anything … it’s know. And everyone including Santana should already know Eppie is thinking the same as Hank, even if he dodges the topic in the press.

  117. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 5th, 2007 at 2:21 pm

    I also love how they don’t know anything about the farm system. Didn’t know who Action Jackson was. He is one of the top prospects you’d think he’d at least know who he was.

  118. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2007 at 2:22 pm

    Could always trade Farnsworth and Marquez to Detroit for Inge and a year’s supply of Little Caesar’s large supreme pizzas and Crazy Bread.. Inge becomes the Yankees new first baseman.

  119. Chris NY December 5th, 2007 at 2:23 pm

    Gayle, lol, that’s exactly where I saw it…

  120. migames December 5th, 2007 at 2:23 pm

    “I’d rather not say what I do for a living. Let’s just say its in the sports industry and leave it at that.”

    hmmmmmm (the expression, not the poster)does this bring up an issue of conflict of interest with your posts????

    you are a clever man sj, clever man

  121. Kill-Schill(ing) December 5th, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    Thanks, SJ44 for the recommendation.

    BTW, if you ever hear any one you know might be looking for attorney, feel free to give me a holler. (I used to work for the firm that represented the Yankees.) I’d be happy to send you a resume.

    Vegas, Baby, Vegas.

  122. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 5th, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    Mike R. Steve Smith is a moron. He thinks that Steven Phillips is brilliant because he was a gm. So why isn’t he still a gm? Phillips is not impartial. He is another joke.

  123. Yanksrule57 December 5th, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    My mike Francesa story,

    A few years ago I was living in Va and could occasionally pull in their radio station (WFAN). I got curious and did a search and found Francesa had started a web page about sports. Well, the info on it was 6 months old, half the things on there were wrong, basically it was a mess. I wrote him an email about what a professional embarrassment it would be if my name were on a site like that. Never heard back from him but the next day the site was pulled.

  124. Flam December 5th, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    I HATE Steve Smith.

  125. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 2:26 pm

    jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge
    December 5th, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    Mike R. Steve Smith is a moron. He thinks that Steven Phillips is brilliant because he was a gm. So why isn’t he still a gm? Phillips is not impartial. He is another joke.

    I can’t bear to listen to him. I listen online from work and when he is on I turn it off and wait for Michael Kay to come on. Michael Kay is also an idiot, but at least he has good guests and sources.

  126. rodg12 December 5th, 2007 at 2:26 pm

    Brian – sorry about the dominant thing – misremembered the post as I was typing. I’d almost look at Willis as a throw-in type in this deal. What they gave up isn’t THAT much bigger than what was rumored that they Angels would give up for just Cabrera. Maybin and Miller for Cabrera alone isn’t that far off and then its the 4 other guys for D-train. I see that as a good deal, especially since Dontrelle is likely to give the Tigers 200+ innings if nothing else and there’s definitely value in that.

  127. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 2:28 pm

    Yanksrule57
    December 5th, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    My mike Francesa story,

    A few years ago I was living in Va and could occasionally pull in their radio station (WFAN). I got curious and did a search and found Francesa had started a web page about sports. Well, the info on it was 6 months old, half the things on there were wrong, basically it was a mess. I wrote him an email about what a professional embarrassment it would be if my name were on a site like that. Never heard back from him but the next day the site was pulled.

    His last name translates to “French Woman” which is an accurate representation of his sports knowledge.

  128. sunny615 December 5th, 2007 at 2:29 pm

    From Jayson Stark:

    The Yankees’ delegation at the meetings seems less and less interested in rekindling those Johan Santana discussions, even if the Twins try to draw them back in. They’ve been telling people there’s a “99.9 percent chance” they’re out of the Santana market for good. So where would the 0.1 percent come from? The unpredictability of the Steinbrenners. Where else?

  129. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 2:29 pm

    The widely divergent reports of the continuing or dead negotiations is maddening. I agree that Olney generally and Gammons when it comes to the bosux have the best sources. But how can Rosenthal say they are still having a “healthy dialogue”. I know he is no Olney (who is the best, most neutral source of basball news IMO (wish he was still the beat reporter at the NYT)), but I thought he was decent compared to some.

  130. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 2:30 pm

    sunny615
    December 5th, 2007 at 2:29 pm

    From Jayson Stark:

    The Yankees’ delegation at the meetings seems less and less interested in rekindling those Johan Santana discussions, even if the Twins try to draw them back in. They’ve been telling people there’s a “99.9 percent chance” they’re out of the Santana market for good. So where would the 0.1 percent come from? The unpredictability of the Steinbrenners. Where else?

    Sounds like good news to me. Probably horrible news for some of the sad sacks that have been around here lately, but I’m happy.

  131. Flam December 5th, 2007 at 2:31 pm

    So what is the consensus on New York sports talk radio. Whats the favorite show?

    As much as it pains me to say It IS Mike and Cwis Wusso.

  132. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2007 at 2:32 pm

    A quick way to get into working in/with the Players Association is to stalk Donald Fehr. As he’s backing his car out, jump out and let him run over you. You could settle out of court. He may think that you’re just the type he’s looking for…it shows ingenuity , ambition and the ability to think fast.

  133. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 2:33 pm

    Depends on what rekindling means. Why would they be uninterested in a tyrade on their terms to keep him away from the bosux. There is no harm in listening to what the Twins have to say now a la Arod. Assuming you are no longer willing to trade Hughes, if they are still want him, walk away. If not, talk back.

  134. Yankee Jay December 5th, 2007 at 2:33 pm

    ~Adam.
    December 5th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
    whats PUD again?
    ————

    Take your pick-

    1. Steven A Smith.
    2. Steve Phillips

    Cashman is smarter than both of those guys combined.

  135. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 5th, 2007 at 2:34 pm

    So what is the consensus on New York sports talk radio. Whats the favorite show?

    As much as it pains me to say It IS Mike and Cwis Wusso.

    when the other option is Stephen A. Smith what choice do you really have

  136. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 2:34 pm

    Flam
    December 5th, 2007 at 2:31 pm

    So what is the consensus on New York sports talk radio. Whats the favorite show?

    Max Kellerman by far! I can’t even think of a second place that is close to them.

  137. RangerRob December 5th, 2007 at 2:34 pm

    a rotation of Wang, Pettitte, Chamberlain, Hughes, and Kennedy/Mussina is going to be better than most experts think. Obviously Chamberlain and Hughes are the keys here. I think both guys proved they can pitch in the big leagues last year.

    Let’s concentrate on the bullpen and getting a real 1st baseman in here.

  138. sunny615 December 5th, 2007 at 2:34 pm

    Mike R.
    December 5th, 2007 at 2:30 pm

    Sounds like good news to me. Probably horrible news for some of the sad sacks that have been around here lately, but I’m happy.
    ———–
    Honestly, I would have liked to have landed Santana, but not at the Twins’ asking price. Like with all crazy fans, I would have preferred to have underpaid to get him. (i.e., any deal that starts and ends with Kennedy and no Hughes).

  139. XXX December 5th, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    Jamie (Utica, NY): Whats the deal with the Yanks? Are they seriously gonna let Santana go to the Red Sox? Is this a smart move to keep Horne, Jackson and Kennedy?

    Jim Callis: (2:04 PM ET ) I seem to remember the Yankees were done negotiating with A-Rod, and I’m not sure we’ve heard the last of them with Santana quite yet. To get him, they’re going to have to give up talent. Yankees fans and some of the local media seem to have this notion that clubs ask the Yankees for more than they ask for other teams for. But if you talk to some of the teams that try to trade with New York, they’ll tell you that the Yankees declare far too many untouchables. Like most organizations, the Yankess probably value their prospects more than outside organizations do. I love Phil Hughes, but I don’t think Melky Cabrera is special and I don’t understand the reluctance to part with another genuine prospect. Honestly, the various Red Sox offers are easily more attractive, and the Angels, given all the Miguel Cabera talk, should be able to trump the Yankees’ proposals, too.

  140. Kill-Schill(ing) December 5th, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    funny, green beret. laugh-out-loud funny. But I’m not a stalker.

  141. Yanksrule57 December 5th, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    Mike R.

    His last name translates to “French Woman” which is an accurate representation of his sports knowledge.

    Yeah, but it’s his combination of ignorance and tremendous arrogance which makes his success so amazing to me.

  142. S.o.S.27 December 5th, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    Sunny615-

    After the Arod fiasco,Its hard for me to believe that they wouldnt revisit it if they could get him for who they wanted to give up in the first place.So put me in for the .1% chance is good enough.

  143. sunny615 December 5th, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    Yankee Jay
    December 5th, 2007 at 2:33 pm
    Take your pick-

    1. Steven A Smith.
    2. Steve Phillips

    Cashman is smarter than both of those guys combined.
    ———–
    The Squirrel is smarter than both those guys combined.

  144. stuart December 5th, 2007 at 2:36 pm

    Donald Fehr lives in rye Brook NY across the street from my ex sister in law. supposively a nice low key guy….

  145. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 2:36 pm

    Jim Callis dismissed the Delmon Young/Matt Garza trade 10 minutes before it went through. His exact quote was “I would be shocked” if Young was traded. He’s a good evaluator, but not an insider.

  146. sunny615 December 5th, 2007 at 2:37 pm

    S.o.S.27
    December 5th, 2007 at 2:35 pm
    Sunny615-

    After the Arod fiasco,Its hard for me to believe that they wouldnt revisit it if they could get him for who they wanted to give up in the first place.So put me in for the .1% chance is good enough.
    ———-
    I would agree, but like I said earlier, if Smithy accepts a lesser deal for Santana than what we had proposed before, you can bet the Twins Nation will light a fire for Smithy… most likely his home while he’s sleeping in it.

  147. Doreen December 5th, 2007 at 2:37 pm

    Stuart, just fyi, the word is “supposedly.” :)

  148. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 2:37 pm

    Yanks and twins agreed on a deal – hughes, melky, marquez and mitch hilligoss. But the yanks stepped out of negotiations because cash convinced stein they shouldnt give up hughes and that we shouldnt pay the money with 16 million going to pettitte. Cash has got to be one of the only GMs who care more about the organizations money than the owner does. Who cares about the money, we break attendance records every single yr and the new stadium plus the YES deal is going to bring in billions and billions of dollars. Stop talking about money cash! I love hughes and i think he will succeed but if he doesnt, cash should be gone for sure. He is basically letting santana walk to the sox for nothing because he wont give up hughes for him. Then, offer the twins cano morons – dont walk out of negotiations. And why was hughes offered in the first place and more importantly, why was he offered so quickly? I knew there was something fishy about the twins all of a sudden not biting on the yanks offer when it is so clearly the better offer. Damn you cashman – u moron. And stein is an idiot too. If only the management of this organization can be as quality as the organization itself. The team is run by absolute idiots. The only reason we have always had the advantage is because we have always had the most money. Now, that everyone else is financially sound we have lost our edge and with it, we are no longer the best team in baseball. Just offer the twins other packages without hughes- dont walk out of negotiations entirely.

  149. jashell2000 December 5th, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    Yanks
    and the yanks have a ton of pitching..

    not

    True we do not have a “ton” of pitching, but other than sox and possibly Angels who does? I will take my chances with Andy, Wang,Phil, Joba (franchise) in a playoff series against Detroit any day. I think part of the reason why people are so bent about not getting Santana (yet) is because we don’t know what our big 3 can really do yet. You might be surprised how this all shakes out. Anything can happen…

  150. Yanksrule57 December 5th, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    Doreen,

    Let me ax you why you gotta be a hater?

  151. J Starr December 5th, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    SJ44,

    What exactly did Joel Sherman say about Hughes? Do you have a reference to the article?

  152. hmmm December 5th, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    “The unpredictability of the Steinbrenners. Where else?”

    nice cheap shot.

    just b/c Hank basically stood firm on his deadline and proved everyone wrong, the media is still trying to protray him like his father. everyone assumed he was going to empty the farm for santana, but he refused.

    i’m starting to think Hank knows what he is doing.

    he knew he made the strongest offer for Santana. if the Twins were going to then try to play him, he told them to go take a hike.

    he’s saying the yankees aren’t going to be charged more than other teams in trades. good for him.

  153. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 2:40 pm

    Nobody here is part of the Kellerman Army?? The guy really knows his baseball, as well as his boxing. The best part is that he doesn’t act like an expert on topics where he is not. Unlike other people (Michael Kay, Mike Francesa, Chris Russo, Steven A.)

  154. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 5th, 2007 at 2:40 pm

    I have to say for living in a huge sports market we have two crappy stations to listen to. ESPN aka nespn. And wfan aka mets radio network/yankee haters.

    Morning radio stinks, both stations have the same idea. Idiot jock and guy who wishes he was a jock. I won’t go thru the day but you get the idea.

    Why isn’t their a Yankee radio network? I know BT is a yankee fan, but he is another one who yells and screams! He is sometimes very irrational.

  155. stuart December 5th, 2007 at 2:42 pm

    doreeen thanks.. i type fast with any typos and do not care much about the grammar etc.. my wife and kids constantly correct my vocab and made up words.

    again any feedback on Marte?????

  156. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 2:42 pm

    jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge
    December 5th, 2007 at 2:40 pm

    I have to say for living in a huge sports market we have two crappy stations to listen to. ESPN aka nespn. And wfan aka mets radio network/yankee haters.

    Morning radio stinks, both stations have the same idea. Idiot jock and guy who wishes he was a jock. I won’t go thru the day but you get the idea.

    Why isn’t their a Yankee radio network? I know BT is a yankee fan, but he is another one who yells and screams! He is sometimes very irrational.

    Listen to Kellerman from 10:00 – 1:00. You won’t regret it.

  157. rodg12 December 5th, 2007 at 2:43 pm

    What time and where is Kellerman on?? I haven’t listened to his show but would definitely start. I really liked him on Around the Horn back in the day – that show was soooo much better with him.

  158. PB in DC December 5th, 2007 at 2:43 pm

    XXX
    December 5th, 2007 at 2:35 pm
    Jamie (Utica, NY): Whats the deal with the Yanks? Are they seriously gonna let Santana go to the Red Sox? Is this a smart move to keep Horne, Jackson and Kennedy?

    Jim Callis: (2:04 PM ET ) I seem to remember the Yankees were done negotiating with A-Rod, and I’m not sure we’ve heard the last of them with Santana quite yet. To get him, they’re going to have to give up talent. Yankees fans and some of the local media seem to have this notion that clubs ask the Yankees for more than they ask for other teams for. But if you talk to some of the teams that try to trade with New York, they’ll tell you that the Yankees declare far too many untouchables. Like most organizations, the Yankess probably value their prospects more than outside organizations do. I love Phil Hughes, but I don’t think Melky Cabrera is special and I don’t understand the reluctance to part with another genuine prospect. Honestly, the various Red Sox offers are easily more attractive, and the Angels, given all the Miguel Cabera talk, should be able to trump the Yankees’ proposals, too.

    —————
    Wow. Surprised to see alot of this stuff: “Yankees fans and some of the local media seem to have this notion that clubs ask the Yankees for more than they ask for other teams for. But if you talk to some of the teams that try to trade with New York, they’ll tell you that the Yankees declare far too many untouchables.”

    “Honestly, the various Red Sox offers are easily more attractive”

    What says you to this, fellow Yankee fans who say the Red Sox offer is crap??

  159. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 2:43 pm

    Im praying santana becomes a free agent next off season. Even cash and loud mouth steinbrenner couldnt screw up that one – just offer him the highest conract and the most yrs like u did with all of our free agents this off season. Then, you can be heros for doing absolutely nothing special and get all the praise in the world as usual. We can all sign cashman is a genius – im sure evryone in this blog would love that.

  160. nate c. December 5th, 2007 at 2:44 pm

    Sherman’s article: http://www.nypost.com/seven/12.....369795.htm

    This is what he said about hughes:
    4. How good is this Yankee package? Hughes is the surest thing, and he has a questionable work ethic and more of an injury history at 21 than Santana at 28. There are many baseball people who like Kennedy more than Hughes, but just as many who think he is a fifth starter. It is possible that outside of a strong Yankee lineup that protects him, Cabrera would be a fourth outfielder. The idea that all of these players are going to play well for a long period for the Yanks is folly, whereas barring catastrophic injury Santana is close to a sure thing.

  161. PB in DC December 5th, 2007 at 2:44 pm

    Make a deal!

    Hughes Melky & Kennedy for Santana and a prospect… instantly one of the best 2-3 teams on paper in the MLs.

  162. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 5th, 2007 at 2:44 pm

    Gordon Damer > Stephen A. Smith

  163. Jax December 5th, 2007 at 2:45 pm

    Dave I don’t think Cashman really cares about the organizations money. This is more about him holding on to Hughes. I think he was somewhat trying to justify not making the trade(cause he wants to hold on to Hughes)by saying it would cost too much money for Santana.

  164. S.o.S.27 December 5th, 2007 at 2:45 pm

    Talking about the Pirates. If we are engaging in Marte talks, why not see what it would take to get Laroche from them as well. He would fit in at first base perfectly. Young, has some pop and cheap.

  165. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    J Starr
    December 5th, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    SJ44,

    What exactly did Joel Sherman say about Hughes? Do you have a reference to the article?

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/12.....369795.htm

  166. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 2:48 pm

    rodg12
    December 5th, 2007 at 2:43 pm

    What time and where is Kellerman on?? I haven’t listened to his show but would definitely start. I really liked him on Around the Horn back in the day – that show was soooo much better with him.

    ESPN 1050 from 10:00 to 1:00. It’s him and Brian Kenney, both of whom are giant Yankee fans. They really know there stuff.

  167. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    Always had a good opinion of Callis. His and Olney’s are the only chats I read at ESPN. But this is baffling. For him to say the various bosox offers are “easily more attractive” is absurd, and I have to lower my opinion of him as an evaluator. He has said some things in the past I disagreed with pretty strongly, but I chalked it up to the fact that reasonable people can certainly differ. But this is ridiculous and maybe in the past I have been cutting him too much slack because he looked good next to the Neyer’s and Caples of the world.

  168. hmmm December 5th, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    “What says you to this, fellow Yankee fans who say the Red Sox offer is crap??”

    it’s not crap, but Hughes was the best player on the table.

    when trading, i would prefer quality over quantity. the Sox are offering decent quantity, but most teams would prefer a package centered around Hughes to a package centered around Lester.

  169. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    PB in DC
    December 5th, 2007 at 2:43 pm
    XXX
    December 5th, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    What says you to this, fellow Yankee fans who say the Red Sox offer is crap??

    ________________________________________________
    What it says to me is that you didn’t bother reading who was answering the questions.

  170. CB December 5th, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    i’m starting to think Hank knows what he is doing.”

    Completely agree. There must have been hundreds of posts about how hank was “getting played” by everyone- even by bill smith, that his mouth was too big, etc.

    I don’t particularly like his speaking so much but so be it.

    Overall – it was the yankees who’ve understood the true trade market for santana best.

    They understood that the sox were trying to drive the price up and were probably more interested in keeping santana from the yankees than acquiring him for themselves.

    Imposing that deadling and then walking away was an astute move and far from “getting played.”

    By walking away they collapsed the entire market for santana and called the sox out. They have their chance to make a deal and they are not doing it. Ellsbury is terrific but is he really what’s holding this up?

    Bill Smith should have grabbed the opportunity to get Hughes. Now he’s blown it and they won’t come close to getting any prospect that talented again. He misread the market for his best trade asset.

    He goes back to the yankees – he gets less.

  171. kei igawa's sunglasses December 5th, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    Steven A. Smith is the worst. I wonder if he has any fans? I think they just have him around for the African American listening audience.

  172. gayle December 5th, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    If you are a baseball fan and want to get into good radio about the game I would highly recommend XM Channel 175. Now I know it is not free but they have really good shows, hosts, analysis, guests etc.

    XM also has great music stations of all kinds and for 13 dollars a month well worth it IMHO

  173. PB in DC December 5th, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    No, I did notice it. Again, his word is not gold, but it helps to gain perspective on what the national outlook is on how the yankees value some of their prospects etc…

  174. 180 degrees December 5th, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    kei igawa’s sunglasses ….cheap shot, dude.

  175. S.o.S.27 December 5th, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    hmmm-i’m starting to think Hank knows what he is doing.

    I bet that has alot to do with listening to Cashman. From choosing Girardi gave me the indication that Cashman still has alot of pool. And knowing how much Cash loves Hughes and doesnt liked to be played with. I can see him being the voice behind the scenes.

    I like the way they are letting everyone know that we will no longer over pay for free agents or trades.

    TRUST IN CASH

  176. murphydog December 5th, 2007 at 2:52 pm

    Kill-Schill, did you check to see who at MLB or the Union are your law school alums? Check good ol Martindale Hubbell too. (FWIW, Orza is a Fordham guy).

  177. PB in DC December 5th, 2007 at 2:52 pm

    Wow. Surprised to see alot of this stuff: “Yankees fans and some of the local media seem to have this notion that clubs ask the Yankees for more than they ask for other teams for. But if you talk to some of the teams that try to trade with New York, they’ll tell you that the Yankees declare far too many untouchables.”

    “Honestly, the various Red Sox offers are easily more attractive”

  178. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 2:52 pm

    Spot on, Jax. He changed his mind and then he changed theirs. Have to give him credit, he is staking his job on Hughes. In the last year of his contract, most GMs would do what was necessary to save their jobs, and the safe thing here would have been to land the best pitcher in baseball AND keep him from the bosux. He is doing what he thinks is right for the organization, even if it puts his job in jeopardy.

  179. rodg12 December 5th, 2007 at 2:53 pm

    I, like almost everyone on this board, would love to have Marte on the Yanks next year. I just don’t know if it’s possible. There have been discussions to acquire him for the past couple years at numerous times and nothing has ever materialized. I’m thinking that’s why most people are talking about him, they’d really just like to wait until something actually occurs after all the talk in the past.

  180. rodg12 December 5th, 2007 at 2:53 pm

    Thanks Mike, I’ll have to start streaming that online while I’m at work.

  181. J Starr December 5th, 2007 at 2:54 pm

    Reality Check -

    Jim Callis does Baseball America’s Red Sox organization ranks and is generally known as a Red Sox homer.

    No surprise by his comments whatsoever.

  182. CB December 5th, 2007 at 2:55 pm

    rodg12,

    I agree. Marte keeps coming up over and over across the leage and the pirates never move him.

    They have so few assets others want – marte is a big one. I’d guess they ask for more than he’s worth because he’s a rare thing for them – a player who is above league average for his role.

  183. kei igawa's sunglasses December 5th, 2007 at 2:55 pm

    180 degrees
    December 5th, 2007 at 2:51 pm
    kei igawa’s sunglasses ….cheap shot, dude.

    I have nothing against African Americans and I think ESPN is doing that to broaden their fan base. Why is that a cheap shot?

  184. Andy Hawkins December 5th, 2007 at 2:56 pm

    I own one of Mattingly’s bats for slow-pitch softball. They’re great, for anyone who really cares.

  185. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2007 at 2:56 pm

    S.o.S.27
    December 5th, 2007 at 2:45 pm
    Talking about the Pirates. If we are engaging in Marte talks, why not see what it would take to get Laroche from them as well. He would fit in at first base perfectly. Young, has some pop and cheap.

    ____________________________________________________
    They’d want to strt with at least Hughes and Cabrera. I’d settle for getting Inge to play 1st base or get Gload from KC. They’re looking for a place for Teahan or Butler, since they signed Guillen.

  186. myrtlebeachfan December 5th, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    How good are Joba and Hughes?

    Someone please clarify this. I haven’t seen them play other than in, you know, a small sample of innings.

    I want to know what they can be. I want to know the chance of them becoming that. This Sherman article speaks opposite to what we are constantly told about our crown jewels of prospects.

    Is Phil really lacking a work ethic? Does his fastball figure to stay in the low 90s? Or will he get it back up to 95+ and dominate with his sick curve?

    Will Joba’s three plus pitches make him the caliber pitcher of Randy Johnson or will he a flop as a starter?

    How about Kennedy? Is he better than Hughes? I can certainly see it, but considering Hughes was regarded as the best there is… how can so many people claim that Ian is better?

  187. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    J Starr, doesn’t he do other teams’ rankings as well? But I did not know that rep. I guess everyone with the exception of Olney is a bosux butboy over at espn– and he grew up in Vermont.

  188. J Starr December 5th, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    He does other team rankings, but John Manuel does the Yankee rankings.

  189. CB December 5th, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    “Chris (Staten Island, NY): Jim, am I wrong in thinking that if I were Brian Cashman, I wouldn’t include Phil Hughes in a trade for Dan Haren? Within a year or two, Hughes could easily turn out to be as good or better than Haren, who is notin Santana’s class and is more of a number 2-3 starter on an elite team.

    SportsNation Jim Callis: (2:08 PM ET ) I think that’s sound thinking.”

    http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/.....t_id=18355

  190. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    PB in DC
    December 5th, 2007 at 2:51 pm
    No, I did notice it. Again, his word is not gold, but it helps to gain perspective on what the national outlook is on how the yankees value some of their prospects etc…

    ________________________________________________
    Name me a team or fanbase in any sport that doesn’t over value their athletes.

  191. stuart December 5th, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    some amazing things.. mike and the maddog make a ton of money and have alot of listeners and they are morons…

    they think Inge is this good player…Inge is a OK player, that is it…

    they also treat prospects like they are jokes…….On Willis they think he can turn it around, maybe they will be right but the odds are against it….Willis has sucked literally sucked the last 2 yrs………

    now some moron is saying if the sux get santana they will win 5 of the next 7 world series…….

  192. SJ44 December 5th, 2007 at 3:01 pm

    Callis has a bigger crush on Theo Epstein than Peter Gammons.

    He believes every Red Sox prospect is a Hall of Famer.

    Yes, the Angels have the prospects to get a deal done.

    However, when was the last time they parted with them?

    Does anybody really think they are going to pay a player 10 million dollars more than Vlad?

    They are worse than the Yankees when it comes to parting with prospects.

    He also didn’t bother reporting the “small” matter of their GM telling their beat writers they were not in the Santana Sweepstakes.

    However, let’s not let the facts get in the way of another media clown taking a cheap shot at the Yankees.

  193. Mike in SF December 5th, 2007 at 3:01 pm

    Is there some sort of study that tracks what reporter’s have claimed to be the “inside track” versus the trades that actually happen. In a world of statistics, why can’t we keep Heyman/Gammons accountable?

    The Cabrera/Willis DET trade came from nowhere. Where were these guys for that one?

  194. PB in DC December 5th, 2007 at 3:02 pm

    fine, fine… you’re all right: everyone is out to screw the yankees.

    we have no shot. :(

    (plz note the sarcasm)

  195. jashell2000 December 5th, 2007 at 3:03 pm

    S.o.S.27

    I say forget Laroche, and wait for Teixera after ’08 as a FA. Giambi will be gone, and having that glove and bat would be seweeeet!

  196. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 3:03 pm

    myrtlebeachfan, before last season the consensus on Hughes was that he was a top of the rotation starter. Joba and IPK were not as highly regared, but I think that was because people did not know them as well. When the both started their meteoric rise through the minors, the buzz got much louder. Joba is now regarded as highly or evn more highly than Hughes, as some– not me– downgraded Phil a bit because of the injury and the time it took to regain arm strength. IPK does not throw as hard as Joba (mid to high 90s) or Phil (low to mid 90s), but he has terrific command of his pitches and great mound presence (as they all do). Consensus on him is as middle of the rotation, although I think of him more highly.

  197. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 3:04 pm

    Mike in SF
    December 5th, 2007 at 3:01 pm

    Is there some sort of study that tracks what reporter’s have claimed to be the “inside track” versus the trades that actually happen. In a world of statistics, why can’t we keep Heyman/Gammons accountable?

    The Cabrera/Willis DET trade came from nowhere. Where were these guys for that one?

    Gammons was in Theo’s suite writing his script for Baseball Tonight.

  198. S.o.S.27 December 5th, 2007 at 3:04 pm

    GREENBERET7-They’d want to strt with at least Hughes and Cabrera. I’d settle for getting Inge to play 1st base or get Gload from KC. They’re looking for a place for Teahan or Butler, since they signed Guillen.

    Werent we in the mix last year for there lefty that went for Laroche?Gonzalez? All we were sending is Melky for the deal. Granted it was the Braves that sent Laroche and Melky to the braves. I would think it wouldnt cost us Hughes. Melk plus a minor leaguer.

    Inge has a great glove but doesnt hit enough to get. Gload doesnt have much pop.

  199. SJ44 December 5th, 2007 at 3:04 pm

    Olney isn’t a Red Sox fan.

    He grew up as a Dodgers fan, even though he is from Vermont.

  200. marc December 5th, 2007 at 3:04 pm

    Isn’t it a possibility we walk away with Santana at the last minute? If the sox deal has fallen apart why wouldn’t Smith try one last time for Hughes w/o Kennedy plus? And why would we so no to that?

  201. raymagnetic December 5th, 2007 at 3:05 pm

    I wonder if KC will try to void Guillen’s contract. The ink still isn’t dry on that one.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3142696

  202. yankees62 December 5th, 2007 at 3:05 pm

    Jennifer -

    I agree with you completely… BT is the best of the bunch.. He should be on for a couple hours after max kellerman.. Stephen A is a nightmare

  203. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 3:06 pm

    Keith Law was a Yankee fan growing up, and leans a bit towards the Blue Jays because he worked there.

  204. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 3:07 pm

    Yeah, I know SJ, but I have a place in Vermont and there are a lot of bosux fans up there. I really said it with a bit of my tongue in cheek.

  205. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2007 at 3:08 pm

    Gammons was in Theo’s suite writing his script for Baseball Tonight

    Mike, I’m glad I read the whole thing, here. I read the part about him being in Epstein’s room, and thought…WHY?

  206. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 3:08 pm

    Marc, we would say no because Cash changed his bosses’ minds and they no longer want to trade him. If they came back and asked for IPK, he might go for that.

  207. S.o.S.27 December 5th, 2007 at 3:09 pm

    jashell2000-I say forget Laroche, and wait for Teixera after ‘08 as a FA. Giambi will be gone, and having that glove and bat would be seweeeet!

    I see him going to Baltimore next year.I would love to have him on our team but he will probably get a rediculous deal in the 7 or 8 year range. Giambi has made me gun shy in giving anyone that term.

  208. marc December 5th, 2007 at 3:10 pm

    Give us a few more sportstalk shows in NY and Mike and Madboy would suffer. They are the only game in town plus they’re on TV, tough to beat. But I do find myself watching SNY lately. Ferrell is crazy.

  209. jashell2000 December 5th, 2007 at 3:10 pm

    myrtlebeachfan

    You are speaking to my earlier point. No one knows yet what the big 3 will do in a full season becasue we have only seen a small sample size.

    I will say however that if Joba stuggles with his pitches/control as a starter I am all for having him back in the pen. His demeanor and “stuff” are taylor made for a bullpen, but he has been groomed as a starter so we have to let them play…all indications (albeit imperfect) say that these 3 have a good chance at making it…

  210. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2007 at 3:10 pm

    SoS27. Yeah. It was a three team trade. NYY gave up Cabrera and Proctor, Atlanta gave up LaRoche and Pittsburgh gave up Gonzales.

  211. myrtlebeachfan December 5th, 2007 at 3:11 pm

    Thank you, reality check, for the reality check.

    We value our prospects for a reason I think… because we tend to sign some of the best prospects and I hope we can continue to do this (paying way over slot! woot!).

    Cano and Wang seem to have worked out well. Melky is good and he can go on tears during the season (as can Cano). Why not TRUST Brian Cashman in not getting Santana… I’ve got a lingering feeling Johan will get injured this season. I don’t know any other reason we’d back out. It’s obvious money isn’t the problem. It hasn’t stopped us before, why would it now.

  212. CB December 5th, 2007 at 3:13 pm

    SJ44,

    What was the reaction down in Florida to the Cabrera trade?

    Marlins do a great job of targeting specific players. They couldn’t have gotten a more talented player than Maybin. Miller has got a great left handed arm.

    Are people down there thinking it was a good deal?

    Better than the angels offer of Kendrick/ Mathis/ Adenhart vs. Santana/ other prospect?

    What’s your take on the deal?

  213. Ranting Guy December 5th, 2007 at 3:13 pm

    Now rumor has it that the Twins were really holding out for the squirrel.

  214. marc December 5th, 2007 at 3:13 pm

    This is the question.

    Do the Twins want to go home emptyhanded?

    If they don’t they will come down in their offer.

    If Hughes was their goal all along then make the offer w/o IPK.

    Then the ball is in our lap as we wanted it all along.

  215. Jason December 5th, 2007 at 3:15 pm

    “What was the reaction down in Florida to the Cabrera trade?”

    I imagine their fan yawned and went back to playing Bingo.

  216. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2007 at 3:15 pm

    SoS27, Gload is a .295 career hitter, but, never got much of a chance. He could hit about 15 or so homers in YS if he played full time. He also plays the corner outfields. Inge has another advantage. He has power and some speed. Low average, but, seems to kill the Yanks. The advantage is, that he’s been the regular third baseman, the center fielder befor Gunderson and was their catcher before Rodriguez.

  217. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2007 at 3:16 pm

    Granderson. my error

  218. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 3:16 pm

    I would give the edge in the deal to Florida. I think Detroit gave up a whole lot to land Cabrera. (They could have had our Cabrera for Maybin straight up)

  219. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 3:17 pm

    CB
    December 5th, 2007 at 3:13 pm

    SJ44,

    What was the reaction down in Florida to the Cabrera trade?

    I heard it’s a fifty-fifty split. Six of them like it and the other half hate it.

  220. jashell2000 December 5th, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    S.o.S.27
    So are you saying that Teixeira will repeat Giambi? Not sure I buy that argument but I do understand the gun shyness. I think Texiera is a better “overall” player than Giambi is/was (assuming he is not juicing too). Giambi has turned into an expensive DH that creates playing time problems for others. Teixeira actually provides defense and pop from both sides. But like you said long term deals for these guys are a crap shoot so who knows…same could be said for Santana since I am sure he is looking for a long term deal as well.

  221. marc December 5th, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    Then we take Hughes off the table and offer IPK.

    End game.

    Minny, your move.

  222. Ollie December 5th, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    Now is the time to trump Boston’s offer. Call the Twins and offer Matt DeSalvo, Chase Wright, and Kevin Reese. Watch them salivate.

  223. Chris NY December 5th, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    As far as the Cashman keeping his job stuff… While I agree it’s commendable that he said (and seems to be sticking to his word) that he won’t make decisions with keeping his job in mind, he’ll do whatever is best for the team with each and every situation, just as he always does. I believe him and from what I see/hear/read, I think that’s exactly what he does.

    I also have to wonder, after 11 years as Yankee GM, and with all the success he’s had… why would he worry about keeping his job? I’m sure he’s made plenty of money and would not have the slightest difficulty finding a new job. I get the sense he’s confident enough in both of those things that he’s not the type of guy to do anything just to “be a good boy” or not rock the boat. Purely speculating, but I think he’s more of fight for what (he feels) is right kind of guy.

  224. whozat December 5th, 2007 at 3:19 pm

    Where is this poor-work-ethic talk about Hughes coming from? I’ve never heard that before.

    And Sherman completely ignores the point about this being a bidding thing…If the only competing offer is inferior to the one you’re offering (Lester compares to Kennedy, not Phil, Crisp is a 10 million dollar 4th OFer, etc)…why should you pay so much more?

  225. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 5th, 2007 at 3:19 pm

    Love Stephen A’s catch phrase reasoning to the Yankees screwing up and not selling the farm even if Santana doesn’t go to Boston or stays in Minny :D

    “There’s a sucker born every minute”

    Yet I listen to a sucker from 2pm – 4pm

  226. marc December 5th, 2007 at 3:20 pm

    MInny should go home , offer up Santana in july, when teams are desperate, what do they have to lose?

  227. Doreen December 5th, 2007 at 3:20 pm

    Chris NY

    I get the sense that although Cashman could easily have a job anywhere else, his preference by far is to work for the Yankees, as crazy a job as it is.

  228. CB December 5th, 2007 at 3:21 pm

    Mike R,

    Do you really think Detroit could have had Cabrera for Maybin alone?

    Maybin’s talented but I’m not so sure. This is Cabrera.

    Interesting to see how the Yankees and Tigers have really gone in different directions over the past two years.

    Dombrowski was so aggressive about going over slot to get outstanding talent. They gave miller a $6.6 million dollar bonus and traded him a year later. They arguably got the first or second best player in the 2005, 2006,and 2007 drafts.

    Many people thought the Tigers were going the home grown route.

    Looks like they were using the draft for a very different reason.

  229. yankee21 December 5th, 2007 at 3:21 pm

    SJ,, a question from an earlier post,, what do you think the chances of LAD taking a shot at MINN,, it seems as thought they have the horses to trade and the $$ to fund it and I would assume MINN would like to move Johan out of the league if possible.

  230. S.o.S.27 December 5th, 2007 at 3:22 pm

    GreenBeret-

    Inge is owed 6 million next year. Is he worth that?
    If I had to chose one of the two, I go with Gload(cheaper)unless Detroit would take bace Farns and his salary.

  231. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 3:22 pm

    marc
    December 5th, 2007 at 3:20 pm

    MInny should go home , offer up Santana in july, when teams are desperate, what do they have to lose?

    A mid-season trade complicates the negotiation window. If that’s the case you can’t expect a huge haul for half a season of Johan.

  232. yankees62 December 5th, 2007 at 3:23 pm

    Jason –

    Zim? Coach?

  233. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 3:24 pm

    CB
    December 5th, 2007 at 3:21 pm

    Mike R,

    Do you really think Detroit could have had Cabrera for Maybin alone?

    Maybin’s talented but I’m not so sure. This is Cabrera.

    Interesting to see how the Yankees and Tigers have really gone in different directions over the past two years.

    Dombrowski was so aggressive about going over slot to get outstanding talent. They gave miller a $6.6 million dollar bonus and traded him a year later. They arguably got the first or second best player in the 2005, 2006,and 2007 drafts.

    Many people thought the Tigers were going the home grown route.

    Looks like they were using the draft for a very different reason.

    Our Cabrera. AKA Melky. :D

  234. marc December 5th, 2007 at 3:24 pm

    It seems like most teams will not pay Santana money.
    He might take note and take reduced amount to stay with Twins as is Pohlad’s plan.

  235. CB December 5th, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    “Our Cabrera. AKA Melky. ”

    I would have pulled the trigger on that deal. If only…

  236. whozat December 5th, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    “SoS27, Gload is a .295 career hitter, but, never got much of a chance. ”

    I’d prefer Ryan Shealy, also with the Royals, because he’s a righty. Gload is another lefty, and the Yanks really don’t need more of those. Shealy was blocked by Helton in Colorado, and then saw limited time at 1B with KC last season because he was jockeying with Gload and Butler for ABs. So, he’s similar in that he’s never been given a shot to play a lot. I’d like to see him over there most of the time, with Giambi playing 1B as often as he can without hurting himself – whatever that means.

  237. Ranting Guy December 5th, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    Take Hughes AND IPK out of the Santana offer. Offer Melky, Horne and 3 other lesser prospects, and include a kid who was in high school last year.

    Especially if they ‘nearly accepted’ something long those lines from Boston, ‘according to reports’.

    The Twins had their chance. Take Hughes AND IPK out of the offer.

  238. SJ44 December 5th, 2007 at 3:27 pm

    CB,

    The reaction down here is disgust.

    This is a franchise that is looking for over 400 million dollars in public funding to build a new stadium. They are approx. 30 million dollars short to get the deal done and they won’t put it the money. They want the public to do it, despite the fact they sell off their assets each year.

    The Marlins are swimming in money.

    Some examples:

    30 million in revenue sharing money.
    30 million in MLB licensing money.
    20 million for their local TV deal.
    12 million for their radio deal.
    8 million from national radio (ESPN/XM) radio deal.

    That’s a total of 100 million dollars in annual revenues before they sell any stadium ads or sell a single ticket.

    With the trades of Willis and Cabrera, their highest paid player is now Tommy Gregg. He will receive approx. 2.5 million in arbitration this year.

    Their payroll may not hit 25 million in 2008.

    Yet, they claim poverty.

    As good a job as their front office does in scouting prospects, the baseball fans here HATE this franchise for their annual fire sales.

  239. SJ44 December 5th, 2007 at 3:28 pm

    I think the Dodgers would rather do a Bedard deal than a Santana deal. Its cheaper and they don’t have to worry about a NTC.

  240. AlbanyYankee December 5th, 2007 at 3:29 pm

    Reds cut Jorge Cantu. Think the Yanks would have any interest given the lack of quality middle-infielders at the AAA level? He was pretty good a couple years ago.

  241. migames December 5th, 2007 at 3:30 pm

    “As good a job as their front office does in scouting prospects, the baseball fans here HATE this franchise for their annual fire sales.”

    ….yet more people tune in to watch the Marlins on TV then they do to watch the Heat.

    i blame the stadium, its nowhere

  242. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2007 at 3:30 pm

    SoS27, right now, Detroit needs pitchers. They don’t have much available at the top. They also don’t have a place to play him with Cabrera there.

  243. S.o.S.27 December 5th, 2007 at 3:31 pm

    Jashell-

    I agree TEX is much more rounder player than Giambi ever was. But dont forget he had a hamstring injury last year and also didnt start off so hot to begin the season. Who knows how he would do in this environment. Assuming he did o.k. you are still stuck with another LOOOOONG contract. Give me a lesser player for less years.

  244. CB December 5th, 2007 at 3:34 pm

    SJ44,

    Thanks for update. I figured that deal wouldn’t have gone over well.

    I knew the stadium has been a perpetual issue but I did not know that they had already ponied up $370 million of public money for the stadium.

    But the marlins won’t even put in $30 million? That’s unbelievable. Unbelievable.

    Baseball should have never approved that nonsense with Loria “buying” the Marlins.

    Hard to compete when you have that kind of owner.

    Beinfest is a good baseball guy. Won’t matter.

    I read somewhere that Miller will be there highest paid player next year because he signed a major league deal.

    Miller is set to make $1.25 million. He’s their highest paid?

  245. rodg12 December 5th, 2007 at 3:35 pm

    “I agree TEX is much more rounder player than Giambi ever was.”

    Not true! Do you remember how ’round’ Giambi was at the start of this past season and the end of the year before that? Tex has never touched that kind of ’roundness’. ;)

    Sorry, couldn’t resist.

  246. bottomline December 5th, 2007 at 3:36 pm

    I still don’t like the thought of Santana hanging out there. The stakes are simply too big. As much as I love Phil, I’d still try to do a deal — though more on our terms. If they don’t like Melky — lets keep him. This lowers the cost as we don’t have to sign another CF. I would build deal around quantity — Hughes plus four solid (but not A list prospects) Twins many not go for it but at least that way they’ll be less tempted to cave and take Theo’s scrap heap combo.

  247. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2007 at 3:37 pm

    Whozat, KC is overstocked at 1st and DH. They still have Butler, and they’d prefer not having a 21 year old DH, plus still paying for Sweeney and Shealy. Shealy hasn’t hit much and about as good a fielder as Giambi. Gload’s numbers against lefties are better than against rightie, but pretty close.

  248. rodg12 December 5th, 2007 at 3:39 pm

    GreenBeret7 – just to let you know, Sweeney is no longer with the Royals and is a FA. But they do still have a log jam at 1B/DH especially after including Guillen in the mix which means Teahen has to play some 1B and DH

  249. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2007 at 3:40 pm

    Talking about the Marlins, Huzinga’s already told the Marlin’s they’ll have to move out of the stadium within the next two years, when the lease is up.

  250. Florida Yank December 5th, 2007 at 3:42 pm

    Joel Sherman’s take on the conditioning of Phil Hughes is pure jibberish. Phil lives in Tampa just a short distance from the minor league complex and will soon be among the early arrivals to begin his rigorous training program.

  251. SJ44 December 5th, 2007 at 3:43 pm

    Tommy Gregg will trump Miller because he will get at least a 2.5 million award if he goes to arbitration.

    But, it is amazing a guy with one year service time (Miller) in the majors is the highest paid player on a team that has won 2 World Series in 10 years.

    Just an awful way to run a franchise.

  252. jashell2000 December 5th, 2007 at 3:44 pm

    Point noted S.o.S.27. Yes it may be a loooong contract, but just like making a trade you have to give up something. I would rather the Yankees give up cash, than more prospects for a lesser player. Especially since we don’t have any everyday 1b prospects coming anytime soon. If we had Tex the lineup could be this in ’09

    Jackson – CF
    Jeter
    Tex
    Arod
    Matsui DH
    Cano
    Posada
    “Leche” – RF/LF
    Tabata – RF/LF

    To me, having Tex changes the line up drastically versus having laroche. By 09 the rooks may be playing a bigger role…just my thoughts.

  253. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2007 at 3:45 pm

    thanks, rodg12. wasn’t aware of Sweeney being gone.

  254. whozat December 5th, 2007 at 3:46 pm

    “Gload’s numbers against lefties are better than against rightie, but pretty close.”

    Well, I’d WANT someone whose numbers are better against lefties than righties. That’s the team’s weakness. Though, I’m suspect about Gload continuing to have backwards splits, as he’s only had 150 or so ABs against lefties.

    Shealey hasn’t hit much in the majors, but he’s had far less of a shot than Gload. His numbers in the minors have always been great – and he spent so long there because he was blocked by Helton, so I don’t hold it against him. I don’t really care if he’s a mediocre fielder…it’s 1B. As long as he can pick throws, he’ll be fine.

    I figure he’s a part the Royals consider pretty much totally expendable, so it shouldn’t cost much to get him, and I think he fits the need better than Gload.

  255. whozat December 5th, 2007 at 3:47 pm

    “Tommy Gregg”

    Isn’t it Kevin Gregg?

  256. yanks December 5th, 2007 at 3:48 pm

    whew

    im sure glad we are outta the Johan running

    doesnt look like we will aquire a big name, or big GAME pitcher this year..

    Yanks Suck

  257. rodg12 December 5th, 2007 at 3:50 pm

    J – do you mean Kevin Gregg, their closer?? And, Olivo made 2 million last year, signed before arb so he’ll probably make more this year. But it’s a rather moot point since Miguel freaking Olivo will be their highest paid player. Ridiculous!!

  258. GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2007 at 3:52 pm

    Understood, Whozat. I like Gload’s batbut mainly the glove. Jeter’s throws are becoming more and more erratic and with Wang, Pettitte and Kennedy, he covers a lot of ground and has a good arm. Glove is a tad less than Mienkiewicz, but, better hitter and faster. Just my preference, though.

  259. Chris NY December 5th, 2007 at 3:53 pm

    Oh, I agree, Doreen. I’m just saying I don’t take him for the type to smile and nod just to keep his job. He seems more the type to argue with the hot-headed boss to keep a rookie kid who he believes in. Which is good for the team and good for us.

  260. SJ44 December 5th, 2007 at 3:53 pm

    Sorry, yes, Kevin Gregg.

  261. SJ44 December 5th, 2007 at 3:54 pm

    Olivo is not going to be with the Marlins this season.

  262. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 5th, 2007 at 3:57 pm

    SJ you need to get a job at a newspaper, and let people see these figures. All these clueless people cry for these small market teams about how they can’t compete yet no one looks at the money handed them. The marlins didn’t deserve all that money. They can’t even get 10,000 people into their stadium on a nightly basis. Yet they get that %+$$. Is there anyway to find the figures of jersey sales, highest to lowest.

  263. Doreen December 5th, 2007 at 3:58 pm

    Chris NY -

    I think the Yankees and their fans are pretty lucky to have someone like Cashman. He’s not perfect, but I do like his style. I’ve actually come to be both amused by and in admiration of his ability to play close to the vest and to fulfill his job duties by meeting with the media, fill a half-hour of time, and yet say nothing! :)

    But I do like that he is excited by the acquisition and development of young talent, and not just to trade away, but to keep.

  264. Rebecca--Optimist Prime December 5th, 2007 at 3:59 pm

    hi guys

    I take it I didn’t miss anything.

  265. S.o.S.27 December 5th, 2007 at 3:59 pm

    Jashell-
    Dont forget we have Miranda in the minors that could be in the majors in a year or two. Also the catcher that starts with an M is supposed to be growing out of that position.

  266. Brian December 5th, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    It *is* Kevin Gregg lol…although somewhere out there there is probably an everyday Joe named Tommy Gregg who isn’t that far off what a Marlin’s player would make :)

  267. Brian December 5th, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    Not at all Rebecca

  268. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 4:01 pm

    Jax,
    I completely agree with your assessment. I dont think this is about money – how can the yanks constantly justify giving a ton of money to mediocre pitchers and not give the money to the best pitcher in the game? This has to be about giving up cashman’s prize prospect. So again, the question must be aked: Why not continue to negotiate with the twins using players other than Chamberlain or Hughes. Im sure they can offer a package that doesnt include those two and still makes the twins very interested. I mean if their listening to the mets proposals and the redsox without buckholz or elsbury in the mix, why do the yankees need to offer hughes or chamberlain. Their is so much talent with the younger guys as well – of course, we have to be willing to give up kennedy, jackson, betances, sanchez, melancon, tabata, horne and others but im sure we can come up with the players to meet the twins demands without our two best. If the sox are doing it, why cant we? I doubt the twins said no hughes no deal to the yanks and then talked to the sox about deals that didnt involve buckholz or elsbury – talk about a double standard. The negotiations should continue tho – there is no reason the yanks should sit idly by in these trade talks. Getting johan has been the yankees and their fans dream for yrs. Remember last yr when everyone said it didnt matter if the sox won out on dicek because we would get johan for sure. Those are the same fans that are cool with Johan going to the sox – i dont get it/

  269. EY December 5th, 2007 at 4:01 pm

    lol we don’t need anymore big game big name pitcher. The last time I saw it, Phil Hughes (whom some of clueless posters were desperately trying to get rid of) was busy shutting down the Cleveland offense in Rocket’s place.

    Hughes, Joba, and probably Kennedy are the big game pitchers we’ll need.

    Cash knows what he’s doing and I’m glad he’s keeping his cool when the Tigers traded away their entire future to “win now.”

    I like the sound of talking to the Pirates about Marte. Let’s give them a big package of B level prospects, maybe they’ll buy into it.

    Fix the bullpen, and we are ready to rock for next year.

  270. CB December 5th, 2007 at 4:02 pm

    SJ44,

    Another question about your neck of the woods –

    What was the reaction to the Garza – Young trade and the Percival signing?

    Are people thinking Tampa is serious about making a run now, over the next 2-3 years?

    A couple of years from now a rotation of Kazmir/ Price/ Garza/ Jacob Mcgee/ and James Shields vs. Wade Davis vs. Jeff Niemann could be fantastic – very big could there because that’s a lot of potential to count on.

    But if you look at how hard the yankees have pushed to get a lefty in the rotation is very impressive that the rays have 3 front line quality young lefties in Kazmir/ Price/ Mcgee.

  271. S.o.S.27 December 5th, 2007 at 4:02 pm

    rodg12-

    Your right Giambi was and will always be more rounded than Tex. What was I thinking.

  272. rb15 December 5th, 2007 at 4:02 pm

    Speaking of catchers, I’ve heard good things about this Cervelli guy. Anyone know anything about him? I think he’s at NYY AA.

    (I have a soft spot for catchers – I was one myself, back in college!)

  273. gayle December 5th, 2007 at 4:05 pm

    rebecca believe it or not you missed intelligent, rational, no name calling broad discussion on baseball today. Nice change of pace lol.

  274. myrtlebeachfan December 5th, 2007 at 4:06 pm

    I am SO GLAD that people are DONE talking about Johan!

    Move on! Bullpen? 1B? Let’s keep talking!

  275. Rob NY December 5th, 2007 at 4:06 pm

    Well gents im glad that its looking like the sox arent in on the santana sweepstakes anymore. I’ve been taking a contracts test today so havent had time to catch back up with the daily rumor mill….. does it look like Bill Smith wised up and decided against the sox offer or did they pull back?

  276. CaptainsCorner December 5th, 2007 at 4:07 pm

    If I was the Yanks I would of told the Twins that Monday was only the deadline for Hughes being in the deal. If they wanted to talk for the next month or whenever then the pitcher in the deal is Kennedy. If Buchholz isn’t on the table then Hughes never should of been. Lester is a nobody and Boston should have to offer a pitcher inbetween the talent of Buchholz and Lester otherwise Hughes is not available. The Yanks package is still better with Kennedy. Kenn/Melky/Horne/Marquez or whatever lower level prospect they want. Honestly If I was the Twins I would rather just keep Santana since they didn’t want Hughes and I wouldn’t take Bostons left over dinner. I would tell them Ellsbury and Lester or nothing. Look at the quality of players that the Marlins got Maybin and Miller while the Twins shop at Walmart with Bostons crap.

  277. jk December 5th, 2007 at 4:07 pm

    Curt Scilling says Boston’s offer for Santana is far superior to the Yankees’ offer.

    http://38pitches.com/2007/12/0.....like-this/

  278. grafxkid December 5th, 2007 at 4:07 pm

    I’m so sick of all the rumors and speculation. I just want the season to start already!!!! :(

  279. ND Yank December 5th, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    Tommy Gregg played back in the late ’80′s early 90′s.

  280. Brian December 5th, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    Who is our backup infielder? Betemit backs up at 3b, ss, & second?

  281. Chris NY December 5th, 2007 at 4:09 pm

    Last time I checked, Andy Pettitte was a big game pitcher as well..

  282. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 4:10 pm

    Cervelli is an excellent defensive catcher who hit pretty well in the pitcher friendly Florida State League this year and, last I checked, was doing well in winter ball (Venezuela, I believe). He hit in the high 200s. The knock on him is that he has not yet developed power, but we’ll see next year at Trenton.

    The best catching prospect is Jesus Monero who just turned 18 a few days ago but did very well in low A ball this year. He has awesome power and hits 450 foot home runs (at age 17). The question is whether he will stay behind the plate given his size already (240 pounds or something and very tall). But he is said to have made great strides defensively this year.

  283. CB December 5th, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    Cerevelli is a good prospect who had a strange season in high A.

    Got off to a torrid start with the bat – was hitting over .360 for a while.

    But then cooled down over the last 2/3 of the season or so. He hit around .270 overall.

    It was sort of a tale of two seasons for him.

    I think the big test for him will be this season in Trenton playing AA. They’ll know much better what they have then.

    He’s supposed to be a good receiver with a decent arm.

    This is a long, long way off – but perhaps the most exciting catching prospect story this year for the yanks was Jesus Montero.

    Had a very good rookie ball season – hit some very long home runs. He absolutely tore the cover off the baseball in winter league (in the dominican or venezeula – forget which). He hit close to .400 as 17 year old in a league where the players are much, much older.

    But the biggest thing with Monter I think is that everyone was impressed with how he looked behind the plat. He’s physically enormous (not fat – just large frame) and there were a lot of questions as to whether he could stay behind the plate. He reportedly did very well as a catcher and made a lot of progress.

    If he stays behind the plate he could be very special. Scouts rate him as having 80 power on the 20-80 scale. Very rare any prospect rates like that. Very, very rare for a catcher.

  284. berra8 December 5th, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    3:30 p.m. ET: A Minnesota official said Wednesday that he is “99 percent sure” that left-hander Johan Santana will still be a Twin when the meetings end Thursday. The Twins still figure to deal Santana sometime before spring training, though it now seems no longer a complete lock that he will be traded to the Red Sox or the Yankees.

    From baseball prospectus. although, we all know how reliable their info is.

  285. Catherine December 5th, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    Everyone keeps saying that Cashman should’ve done the deal because “when you can get the best pitcher in baseball you do it.”

    That’s a ridiculous statement. Just because Santana is the best player NOW doesn’t mean you give him a 7 yr contract while giving Minn some of our strongest young players. I am sorry. I don’t think Santana’s on a decline or anything, its just a philosophy. For instance, Arod is the best player in baseball. Under the argument you would have to say you give up whatever you have to land Arod no matter what the consequence. We saw how many teams did that this year…

    Cashman is a great GM. He’s built up the farm and I think, with full control, can make some great decisions. I am sorry, the Santana deal is not a no brainer.

  286. gayle December 5th, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    Breaking News that Curt Schilling says his team has the better deal. I would defy almost any player to bad mouth their current teams trade potential. For someone who claimed to know almost nothing about the prospects “other then Phil Hughes” and then to say he was undrafted to only later change it to being a #1 pick just shows you that he is clueless in evaluating this deal.

  287. Chris NY December 5th, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    Sorry, hmmmm already said that..

  288. whozat December 5th, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    “Dont forget we have Miranda in the minors that could be in the majors in a year or two.”

    He has REALLY extreme splits, though. He’s another lefty, and he doesn’t hit lefties. It was only one year, though, after taking a long time off from baseball while he worked on defecting from Cuba.

    Could be something, though, in a year or two. I figure that, if he hits, he’ll move up the ladder quickly as well.

  289. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 4:12 pm

    Make that Montero

  290. migames December 5th, 2007 at 4:13 pm

    i started reading Curt Schilling’s blog but then i realized i was reading Curt Schilling’s blog

  291. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 4:14 pm

    rb15
    December 5th, 2007 at 4:02 pm

    Speaking of catchers, I’ve heard good things about this Cervelli guy. Anyone know anything about him? I think he’s at NYY AA.

    (I have a soft spot for catchers – I was one myself, back in college!)

    Cervelli is a venezuelan converted infielder. Based on the opinion of Yankee officials he is MLB ready on the defensive side on the ball, which is the hardest part for catchers, and only need to work on his bat. He put up decent numbers last year, but the reason he grabbed the spotlight is because he started the season on a tear in High A Tampa. He hit .279 with a .387 OBP and a .397 SLG.

    He will start next year at AA. That will probably be a make or break season for him. If he can put up similar numbers he will land himself on the Top prospect lists, if not he could fall under the radar again.

  292. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 4:14 pm

    Yeah, Miranda will come quickly or not at all. Last year was about shaking off the rust. He also played well in the AFL. He is said to be 25, not 23, but who cares if he can hit.

  293. Rebecca--Optimist Prime December 5th, 2007 at 4:15 pm

    Gayle:

    Of course.

    In other news, my thesis proposal was accepted! Yay!

  294. S.o.S.27 December 5th, 2007 at 4:16 pm

    Curt Scilling says Boston’s offer for Santana is far superior to the Yankees’ offer.

    Man what is it with this guy haten on the Yankees all the time. Im starting to believe that since the trade that brought him to the red sox rather than the Yanks, he has been trying to convince himself that it was better going there than comming here. Even though he specifically said he would only go to the Yanks.

    He needs to use some of that 8 million for a shrink.
    GET OVER IT!!!You cant be a Yank.

  295. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 5th, 2007 at 4:17 pm

    Geez it is a good thing I didn’t eat lunch today or I would have lost it. I couldn’t get past the first few paragraphs of that drivel.

  296. Chris NY December 5th, 2007 at 4:17 pm

    Man, what a wind bag schilling is. Is he serious??? tried to read that crap and kept scrolling, and scrolling, and scrolling…… anything online that takes that long to read isn’t worth reading.

  297. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 4:18 pm

    Rebecca, what is your thesis topic?

  298. Doreen December 5th, 2007 at 4:18 pm

    Great news, Rebecca.

  299. JOBA December 5th, 2007 at 4:19 pm

    Do you guys know where I can information regarding Joba’s appearances in the next few days?

    I heard about him being at Penn Station and heard something about him being at circuit city?

  300. gayle December 5th, 2007 at 4:20 pm

    Go back to the thread that Pete wrote about his appearance at modell’s and I think you will find all of the appearances and their locations and times within the comments section

  301. jashell2000 December 5th, 2007 at 4:20 pm

    True S.o.S.27. I’m not ready to buy Miranda stock quite yet, but that is another bat/glove that has to be tested in 08. Point is there will be lots of “trials” in 08. I did like the idea of moving Posada to 1b and let that kid from Venezuela take over behind the plate. He is supposed to be the truth.

  302. whozat December 5th, 2007 at 4:21 pm

    “i started reading Curt Schilling’s blog but then i realized i was reading Curt Schilling’s blog”

    Well, it was still interesting, at least to me.

    When you talk about fans over-valuing their own players, though, Curt clearly overvalues his own guys as well. He talked about how Coco’s glove won them games. Did he also talk about the opportunities Coco wasted with the bat? Didn’t think so.

  303. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 5th, 2007 at 4:22 pm

    He is in Penn Station at 8am
    1pm Modells 42nd between 7-8
    6:30 (i belive) circuit city at 45th? and 5th

    Don’t quote me, but this gives you a rough idea.

  304. Chris NY December 5th, 2007 at 4:23 pm

    “GET OVER IT!!!You cant be a Yank.”

    Let me preface this by saying I hate Curt Schilling as much as any human being I have never met… But, the guy has won 2 world series with them, I would think he’s confident he ended up in the right place.

    Makes me sick to say that, but it’s true…

  305. Motown Yankees Fan December 5th, 2007 at 4:23 pm

    I got as far as Schilling dissing Melky and then had to stop. I hope Melky hits a huge home run off of him the next time he faces him. Either that, or a line shot right back to the pitcher.

  306. Rebecca--Optimist Prime December 5th, 2007 at 4:23 pm

    Reality Check: Henry VII and the restabilization of the English Monarchy!

    (A fancy term for ‘bad ass dude stealing the throne from more bad ass dude).

  307. JOBA December 5th, 2007 at 4:23 pm

    I already posted over there. I want to find the article or spot where they have the info.. not a copy-paste. This is the active thread now, thats why i posted here.

  308. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 5th, 2007 at 4:24 pm

    whozat
    are you suprised? :lol: The guy is an idiot, I can’t stand him.

    Back to the discussion this morning, you said you went to or knew people from Ridgewood. Did you know Maria or Kim, they were joined at the hip?

  309. Drive 4-5 December 5th, 2007 at 4:25 pm

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....s_and.html

    Gotta admit, Cashman has guts. Only time will tell if he’s right or wrong. It’s disappointing to go into the season with the same team that came up short in ’07. And it’s still hard to comprehend a $200mil payroll that doesnt have a legitimate first baseman, #1 starter and has a patchwork bullpen.

  310. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 4:25 pm

    Rebecca – Your thesis is on “Henry VII and the restabilization of the English Monarchy” and you couldn’t think of anything to tell your folks so that they would help pay for a trip to Engalnd?

  311. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 4:26 pm

    History, huh. I thought it was English, Rebecca. Good luck with it.

  312. Chris NY December 5th, 2007 at 4:26 pm

    sorry whozat, I didn’t mean to insult you and I’m sure the part that you’re talking about was interesting, I just can’t be bothered to read that much opinion from one guy (whom I can’t stand)…. Getting a player’s perspective can be cool, Schilling is just so full of himself and thinks he’s such an intellectual, I can’t stand to read his stuff for very long.

    I am going back to find what he says specifically about the deal they’re offering the Twins being superior to the Yanks offer.

  313. Prince December 5th, 2007 at 4:27 pm

    Chris NY– yea Pettite is a big-game pitcher. And the last time we won the WS was? We need help. We are banking a lot on our future.

    Captain’sCorner couldn’t agree with you.

    For one to say they are happy to have Hughes over Santana is asinine. He would help us in our biggest weakness, frontline pitching for the PLAYOFFS. Not the regular season! (he would do that too, but that is a given)

    With this said… I am happy we are not overpaying. I think Hughes/Melky/Horne/Jackson is a fair offer for the best pitcher in the game. Kennedy would be far too much to include when it obvious the Twins/Sox are bluffing with that insulting offer.

    I know everyone wants to root for these kids. It’s great. it’s endearing. But prospects are such a crap shoot, more so than say, acquiring a fairly young ACE.

    For instance, was Austin Jackson on anyone or any team’s radar until his big finish this season? The fact that he has value now is A BONUS. If he struggles at all he will immediately lose a lot of his luster and chances are will never have a whiff of that polluted Bronx air. This goes for all our prospects.

    We will have draft picks every year. Second tier pitchers like Horne and OF like Jackson will come and go. That is why we cannot be attached to anyone besides the big 3.

    Hughes Chamberlain and Kennedy. Are no longer prospects in my eyes or the teams eyes. They are players on our roster for this year. That is why you can’t include 2 in a deal.

    We will not be duped. We will not be bullied. We are lying in the weeds until the Twins come back and realize that Phil Hughes has the best CHANCE to come close to Santana’s production in years down the line. It sucks that we have to give up one of our guys, but hey the return is going to put us over the top.

    I am really proud of our management right now to sift through the BS, be confident and work with out strengths.

  314. Jax December 5th, 2007 at 4:27 pm

    Besides Montero another catcher to keep an eye on is Austin Romine.

  315. Reality Check December 5th, 2007 at 4:27 pm

    Drive 4-5, it is not the same team. We have three new starters who were not there last April.

  316. stuart December 5th, 2007 at 4:27 pm

    Just saw Joe Sheehan of Baseball Prospectus on ESPN news. I thought Sheehan seemed pretty smart.. said the twinkies shoud trade Santana for position guys, mentioned the Dodgers.. Mentioned they still ahve many arms in the minors…

    I change my prediction I do not see Santana in boston next yr..

    Sheehan also said 41% of expenses for baseball now salaries, is 53% in football.

    The way the Marlins run there franchise is a disgrace.. There owner is a parasite…. They should contract that team…

  317. Mike R. December 5th, 2007 at 4:29 pm

    Jax
    December 5th, 2007 at 4:27 pm

    Besides Montero another catcher to keep an eye on is Austin Romine.

    Montero and Romine could both be HUGE. They have all the potential in the world.

  318. Fleas December 5th, 2007 at 4:30 pm

    Am I suppose to be a Tiger fan now too …

    Trading is getting ridiculous. I love the Marlins as my NL favorite, and all-time team always has been the Yanks. But..

    With my favorite Marlins team.. With Beckett, Lowell, Castillo, Pierre, Miggy, D-train..

    Okay so Lowell and Beckett when to my foe.. can’t have that?

    But Sheffield (who I know most of you hate) happens to be one of the players I found really exciting to watch… I still miss him in pinstripes regardless the circumstances..

    So with D-train, Sheff, and Miggy on the Tigers.. do I need to be rooting for them too?

    I guess the point I am trying to make.. trading is totally getting out of hand.. If Arod went to the Angels.. would I want to watch the Angels since I love watching Arod play?

    With some many players I really enjoy watching switching teams that I never liked before, how can I honestly say that I am for one team.. and one team only.

    I can tell you what, who you play for is starting to get less and less meaningful for me..

    I used to hate the bosox, well you know what.. I don’t anymore. They have 2 former marlins that I really liked.. and still do.. and Pedroia is awesome to watch, Youkillis (whole season without an error) is awesome.. and the young kid ellsbury.. played his freaking heart out during the post-season.

    What to do, what to do.. I have wish Johan Santana was on the Yankees for years.. so this trade no happening really was devastating for me (although I love watching PH pitch)…

    If Santana goes to the RedSox.. I will still be a Yankee fan #1, but I would be lying to you.. if I said that I didn’t have plans to watch The redsox games this year.. especially the games Santana pitches.

    hate on me if you want, I am being honest. I am not a band-wagon fan.. I’ve been a Yankee fan since they were on WPIX channel 11 in the 70′s. I have season tickets..

    but I am not buying the “let the red sox have santana” for me.. that is just too much to take..

  319. Drive 4-5 December 5th, 2007 at 4:31 pm

    Just read some of Schilling’s blog and reallly can’t wait to face him next year.

    I wonder how he’d compare Cano to Pedroia. You know Cano dont ya Schil? He’s the guy that took you deep twice in September and set your record at 0-3 against the Yanks.

  320. jashell2000 December 5th, 2007 at 4:31 pm

    Just found a cool write up on Jonathan Albaladejo on MLB. I am very “curious” to find out what he can bring to the table. Seems like he has a power arm… Anyone seen him pitch? Hope he can do something for us in ’08.

    http://www.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=was

  321. gayle December 5th, 2007 at 4:31 pm

    i wasnt trying to be rude to tell you to look in the other thread just thought it would be easier to look there as it was shorter and everything was in one place. Sorry if you took it the wrong way.

  322. hclunited December 5th, 2007 at 4:33 pm

    Cost to start pitchers signed from other teams that didn’t pan out (according to expectations): millions and millions in money and frustration
    Mike Mussina (so-so)
    Jaret Wright
    Javier Vasquez
    Jose Contreras
    Hideki Irabu
    Randy Johnson
    Kevin Brown
    Carl Pavano
    Esteban Loaiza
    Jon Leiber
    Jeff Weaver
    Denny Neagle
    Kenny Rogers

    Cost to let home-grown pitchers get a chance to become dominant lifelong Yankees: PRICELESS (and cheaper too!)
    Andy Pettitte
    Mariano Rivera
    Joba Chamberlain
    Philip Hughes
    Ian Kennedy

  323. Mitchell's Eleven December 5th, 2007 at 4:34 pm

    CB and SJ:

    I’m sure the reaction to the Migs and Dontrelle trade was zilch. I remember the good ‘ol days of when the Marlins drew enough fans to barely cover the 1st and 3rd base line. I once got tickets right behind home plate as a walk-up five minutes before the game started, and I haven’t lived in SF since 2001. Sad.

    I will say this….go Miami fans for sticking by the Dolphins and Canes this year.

  324. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 4:40 pm

    Cash is more worries about the yankees payroll than the owner according to Miller – for a guy that supposefly doesnt worry, that is pretty idiotic. Get over it cash – u already spent a good 400 million on crap in your short GM career. Now ur worried about the money ur giving to the best pitcher in the game. A team with a 200 million dollar payroll if nothing else should have a solid pitching staff with an ace. When was the last time hughes, kennedy or chamberlain pitched more than 170 innings. Oh yea, NEVER. I cant wait until cash is fired – he is the dumbest GM in baseball.

  325. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 4:42 pm

    hclunited – all of those pitchers are crap compared to santana. Moose in his prime wasnt even close. And santana is 29, how many of those pitchers were the best in baseball and in their prime. O yea, none. So shut up

  326. Catherine December 5th, 2007 at 4:44 pm

    Dave-
    Are you serious? You sound deranged. Pettitte was never an ace yet I would never root against him in a playoff game (I have red sox fans friends who agree) Cashman is clearly not a dumb GM, have you been paying attention to the Marlins firesale? Detroit giving up their whole farm? Uh Bill Smith?

  327. Catherine December 5th, 2007 at 4:45 pm

    Pettitte is “crap compared to Santana”

    Find one Yankee fan that would agree with you.

  328. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 4:47 pm

    Catherine i was talking about that FA list of pitchers above. And i didnt say they are all crap pitchers. I said compared to santana and I mean when the yanks acquired them they were crap compared to santana. Pettitte isnt on the list either way.

  329. jashell2000 December 5th, 2007 at 4:48 pm

    hclunited

    True we have had a lot of failure, but don’t forget the success either:

    Cone
    Clemens
    Key
    Duque
    Wells

    All of the aquisitions helped us win. It is a crapshoot, you just don’t know if a players success eleswhere will translate into success in NY.

    PS you forgot Kei Igawa on your list! :)

  330. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 4:49 pm

    Cashman is a dumb GM – he has made some of the worst acquisitions and trades i have ever seen – igawa, farnsy, weaver, brown, contreras, Pavano, loaiza , wright, Moose’s extension, sheff’s trade to name a few.

  331. Catherine December 5th, 2007 at 4:50 pm

    Dave-
    My misunderstanding. When you referenced the post I thought you meant current pitchers we had and the list that was posted of the ones we grew. I would agree with you that I wouldn’t say Santana is a “risky” trade. He’s solid and young. Still wouldn’t have done the trade though. I think Cashman was right. I do agree that comparing Santana and Randy Johnson isn’t fair though.

  332. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 4:52 pm

    jashell how many of those was cash even in the organization for – he came the yr we signed clemens. I think he was here for orlando hernandez. I think thas it. Cash has made almost no good pitching signings in his entire career. And acquiring hitters was usually because we offered the most money. Having hughes, joba and kennedy has nothing to do with cash. Having ohlendorf, alberto gonzalez, humberto sanchez – that crap u can thank cashman for. The scouts build up the farm and nardi contreras – cash did nothing.

  333. Chris NY December 5th, 2007 at 4:52 pm

    Prince, no-one said you could win a world series with only one “big game” pitcher. I’m pretty sure any sane person would also agree you can’t win a WS EVERY year either.

    Nor did anyone that I’ve heard say they’d prefer Hughes over Santana. No-one is talking about a Hughes for Santana deal, they’re talking about Hughes and a couple others and, as you yourself just said, the price was getting too high, so we’re happy Hughes didn’t get moved. Ideally, we’d get Santana AND keep Hughes.

    I don’t think anyone on here would say no to a Hughes for Santana straight up trade. But Minnesota might.

    The bottom line is, if this guy doesn’t get traded, we can have him for nothing more than his salary this time next year and see what we have with Joba, Hughes, and Kennedy.

  334. hclunited December 5th, 2007 at 4:53 pm

    jashell2000-

    hehe, you are right, but then it wouldn’t have supported my argument. I guess we can throw in Dwight Gooden for that year with the no-hitter.

    Duh, how can I forget Igawa! Maybe because he disappeared so quickly!

  335. jashell2000 December 5th, 2007 at 4:53 pm

    It’s interesting that we say Pettitte is not an ace yet no one wants to face him in the playoffs. That’s the difference between an ace and a big game pitcher to me. Our dynasty in the 90′s did not have aces just big game pitchers and I will take that. Just like I would take Pettitte to battle any “ace” in the playoffs, I don’t care who it is. Ever since he beat Smoltz in ’96 I have ’nuff respect for him.

  336. Jax December 5th, 2007 at 4:55 pm

    Why was the Sheffield trade dumb? Last time I checked the Yankees scored the most runs(960)this year, without Sheffield. And they also got couple of prospects who should help the pen next year (Whelan&Sanchez).

  337. jashell2000 December 5th, 2007 at 4:58 pm

    Dave

    I;m not sure I follow your point. The GM’s back then were not responsible for Pettitte, Jeter, Rivera ect. either it was scouting and talent evaluation. That’s what they get paid for. I will give Cash credit for talking the Steins into allowing the farm system to develop and not give it away…that’s what he get’s paid for.

  338. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 5:00 pm

    The sheff trade was dumb because sheff hit 25 homers last yr with a 378 obp and 107 runs while Humberto sanchez sat on the dl the entire season (and it wasnt surprising at all.) Whelan had 42 walks in 54 innings in double A and prolly will never be a major league pitcher with that kind of control. We could have gotten so much more for sheff and why trade him to detroit if that is all we are getting from them? They knocked us out of the playoffs – it was just a bad trade. Didnt help us at all this yr, prolly wont help us next yr. Its a bad trade.

  339. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 5:04 pm

    Cash gets payed for trades and acquiring free agents- not for who we pick in the draft and how they develop in the farm. I will judge cash’s career based on the trades he has made and the free agent he has gotten for us. I dont think that is unreasonable. No i wouldnt credit the previous GM for acquiring jeter, posada and Mo – that is the scouts and the coaches in the minors. Cash hasn traded any of the big three but that doesnt mean he should get the credit for us having them. i swear fans over-rate the GM as much as they over-rate our prospects.

  340. Chris NY December 5th, 2007 at 5:04 pm

    we were never keeping Sheffield. He was about to be a free agent, we weren’t picking up his option. Cash picked up his option once he realized the market value for Sheff was going to be higher than the option.

    We didnt trade sheff for wheelan and sanchez, we got them for free. Sheff was no longer a member of the team, he was a prick who shot off at the mouth for the sake of, shooting off at the mouth. Our offense didn’t miss him, and I’m sure the club house didn’t either.

  341. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 5:05 pm

    melky is an all star centerfielder as much as cash is a quality GM

  342. Chris NY December 5th, 2007 at 5:06 pm

    Dave, if you don’t think Cashman has anything to do with who we draft and getting them signed, you haven’t been paying much attention the last couple years.

  343. Dave December 5th, 2007 at 5:07 pm

    it doesnt matter if the offense missed him – it matters who we recieved for him. If we held out a bit, we would have gotten so many better offers. And sheff was a consistent all star and future hall of famer. Who cares about all the negative things he said about the yanks – he only said that after he was traded. He was a good portion of our offense for the yrs he was on the team.

  344. Catherine December 5th, 2007 at 5:08 pm

    MLBtraderumors

    Just got an incredible rumor from a trusted New York sportswriter. Stay with me, because this one’s crazy. But rest assured that if the source wasn’t good, I wouldn’t post it.

    Minnesota has initiated talks for a three-way blockbuster with the Twins and A’s. Here’s how it would go down:

    Mets send Jose Reyes, Kevin Mulvey, and Hector Pellot to A’s
    A’s send Bobby Crosby and Dan Johnson to Mets
    A’s send Dan Haren to Twins
    Twins send Johan Santana to Mets

    Mets get Johan Santana, Bobby Crosby and Dan Johnson
    A’s get Jose Reyes and Kevin Mulvey
    Twins get Dan Haren and Hector Pellot

    The source says Haren is exactly the type of player the Twins want for Santana, a cheap frontline starter. It’s known the Mets would hate to deal Reyes but they would get some value beyond Santana. Billy Beane is happy because he gets Reyes for one more year than he had Haren plus longtime favorite Mulvey. And, he’s out of Crosby’s contract.

  345. jashell2000 December 5th, 2007 at 5:12 pm

    Dave,
    I agree that he Cash has not made 100% great trades/free agent signings. NO Yankee GM has nor has any other team’s for that matter. I think NOT making a trade can be the best move just like when they did not go for Gagne last year. I think Cashman realizes that signing a FA pitcher to pitch in NY is harder than it looks and he is focusing on staying in house for pitching…and I have to give him props for “finally” seeing that.

  346. Chris NY December 5th, 2007 at 5:20 pm

    “he only said that after he was traded”

    No, he was running off at the mouth for years 2 and 3 of his contract.

    And again, we were never keeping him, weren’t going to pick up his option, so ANYTHING we got in return was a bonus. We got the best package that was out there, no one was offering anything better, so I’m not sure who you think we should have held out for.

  347. pat m in ct December 5th, 2007 at 5:22 pm

    Dave-

    your opinion of Cashman: keep in mind that his influence and power are relatively recent. People forget how the Boss called the shots for years and pushed for certain free agents and trades. Often, his choices were not great and he often ignored his own baseball people. When the moves worked out, guess who took the credit? When the baseball people convinced him of a move, how often did he imply that they were on the hook for it? Cashman, as far as us outsiders know, may have been little more than an order taker.
    I don’t think Johnson was his idea. Pavano, as pointed out by others, was coming off an 18 win season. Who knew he would spend so much time injured? Igawa-can’t argue with that one. Sheff was George’s pick, Cash wanted Vlad. I still like the trade. Shef was a distraction and they didn’t want him anymore.

    There isn’t a GM in the history of the game with a flawless record. I’d wait a few years before passing judgement.

  348. Pat December 5th, 2007 at 5:26 pm

    Nice touch making the headline black to reflect that it’s non Yankees news (I assume lol)

  349. S.o.S.27 December 5th, 2007 at 5:28 pm

    Igawa had a .5 e.r.a. higher than Dice k. did and was a lefty. For half the price as Dice. Who knew he would crap on himself once he hit the bigs.

    Cant blame him if you look at the carreer numbers for both.

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