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Rule 5 Draft next: Yanks could lose players

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 06, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Winter Meetings end with the annual Rule 5 Draft.

Simple explanation of the draft: Older minor league players not on a 40-man roster are eligible to be selected. The team taking them must keep them in the majors for the entire season or offer them back to their original club. There are roughly 800 of those players.

The Yankees, who finally have some prospects, had to leave some decent players unprotected. They include RHPs Steven Jackson and Brett Smith.

Smith is a former second-round pick who has never really made the jump. But he was 7-4, 2.97 for Trenton last season. He has control issues. Jackson is one of the kids the Yankees got back for Randy Johnson last year around this time. He had an inconsistent season then got belted around in the Arizona Fall League.

The Yankees also left former first-round pick Eric Duncan unprotected. He has been a bust since being selected out of Seton Hall Prep in New Jersey. He was .241/.323/.389 for Scranton last season.

The Yankees have a full 40-man roster and cannot select anybody. They took Hall of Famer Josh Phelps last season.

 
 

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123 Responses to “Rule 5 Draft next: Yanks could lose players”

  1. Rebecca--Optimist Prime December 6th, 2007 at 12:23 am

    The ragging on Phelps is unbelievable. It’d be awesome to actually see him make it to the HoF, just because I have a soft spot for irony.

  2. Ed December 6th, 2007 at 12:25 am

    I missed the joke on Phelps… I’m sure its funny though.

  3. Andrew December 6th, 2007 at 12:25 am

    You cant blame Pete the Phelps lovers were out in la la land last year.

  4. Nettles vs. Lee December 6th, 2007 at 12:26 am

    Phelps had a 1.112 OPS for the Pirates.

    He can hit. It looks like he could stick in the NL as a pinch hitter, back up 1B, emergency catcher.

  5. Andrew December 6th, 2007 at 12:27 am

    “He can hit. It looks like he could stick in the NL as a pinch hitter, back up 1B, emergency catcher.”

    Yea exatcly

  6. Mike December 6th, 2007 at 12:28 am

    Can someone fill me in on the Hall of fame and Josh Phelps joke?

  7. EY December 6th, 2007 at 12:28 am

    And in NL he belongs, not in pinstripes,

  8. ellen December 6th, 2007 at 12:29 am

    Ok, enough for tonight. Good night all.

  9. Nettles vs. Lee December 6th, 2007 at 12:29 am

    Can someone fill me in on the Hall of fame and Josh Phelps joke?

    He had a good spring training. Some fans were really high on him going into the season – then he sucked badly. Pete is just making fun of those fans.

  10. Matt (In Toronto) December 6th, 2007 at 12:34 am

    LOL JOSH PHELPS!

  11. Nettles vs. Lee December 6th, 2007 at 12:35 am

    By the way, I would be shocked if anybody took Duncan, Jackson or Smith.

  12. whoa December 6th, 2007 at 12:36 am

    Career OPS+

    Josh Phelps: 112
    Doug Mientkiewicz: 100

  13. GMAN December 6th, 2007 at 12:40 am

    The reason Smith didn’t trade Johann is because Johann controls the process because Johann has a full no trade clause in his contract.

    I guess Johann does not want to live in BeanTown or the Bosox don’t want to pay Johann…the Zito type money.

    Smith tried to roll the Yanks with Epstein’s help and the canival call of Gammon’s over the top hyping of Boston’s steal of the deal was the give away.

    The Minn/Bos Ploy didn’t work…
    maybe everyone in baseball already knows that Johann really only wants to wake up in the City that never sleeps…a brand new start of…A number One…King of the Hill…Top of the Heap…New York…New York!!!

  14. J-Dawg December 6th, 2007 at 12:41 am

    Jackson ended up being just a bit of a misfire, but the return so far on the Randy Johnson trade has been very good when you consider the Viz and Ross Ohlendorf. Two out of three ain’t bad. :)

  15. CaptainsCorner December 6th, 2007 at 12:43 am

    Epstein also re-signed World Series MVP Mike Lowell and right-hander Curt Schilling before the winter meetings. Both players might have gotten more money if they waited for a market to develop.

    “I’m thrilled,” Francona said. “I think that’s the first time Schilling ever left anything on the table.”

    Is Francona referring to money or food??!

  16. Reality Check December 6th, 2007 at 12:47 am

    J-Dawg– and the Attorney General as well.

  17. Travis G. December 6th, 2007 at 12:51 am

    never miss a chance to stick it to borderline MLers. that’s a lesson of sportswriting i’ve learned here.

  18. Rebecca--Optimist Prime December 6th, 2007 at 12:51 am

    CaptainsCorner: Is it mean of me for laughing at that?

  19. Ryan December 6th, 2007 at 12:51 am

    Andruw Jones to the Dodgers, 2 years, $36 million. Front page of MLB.com

  20. Bleacher Creature PJ December 6th, 2007 at 12:52 am

    I need your opinions,

    Is it just me or do all Yankee fans realize how much of a phony Michael Kay is? He is so repetative with everything he says. For example, how many times is he going to talk about the “fake to first throw to third move” as the “Jeff Nelson move.” C’mon! And he is always complaining about the length of the games. “Michael, you do are a broadcaster for the NEW YORK F*kin YANKEES!” Its almost as bad as when he used descride the yankee uniforms over the radio broadcasts with his loser “no name on the back of the jersey, of course” line. I would be perfectly happy with Kenmy Singleton, Johnny Flar, Bobby Mercer, Lieter, and however else. Let Bob Larenz to get out of the studio and get him to the stadium. I would even go as far as to say bring Kimberly Jones up to the booth.

    Let me know what you guys think.

    BC PJ

    P.S. Mel – I’m trying to figure out which one is his wife. LOL.

  21. William December 6th, 2007 at 12:53 am

    josh phelps > tony womack

  22. S December 6th, 2007 at 12:53 am

    Very informative preview of this year’s Rule 5 Draft at The Baseball Analysts website by Marc Hulet:

    http://www.baseballanalysts.co.....he_minors/

  23. mel December 6th, 2007 at 12:56 am

    Bleacher Creature,

    Oh, I’m sure underneath that jersey is a body to rival the infamous Laura Posada.

  24. J-Dawg December 6th, 2007 at 12:57 am

    Reality Check- Thanks, I somehow forgot about him!

  25. james December 6th, 2007 at 12:58 am

    So the Tigers are now the best in baseball becuase they added a cleanup hitter who’s not as good as ours and a pitcher who hasn’t been good since 2005 season and has added about 50 pounds. Lets look at the line ups
    Damon Granderson edge Detroit
    Jeter Polanco edge Yankees
    Abrue Sheffield edge Yankees
    Arod Cabrera edge Yankees
    Matsui Ordonez edge Detroit
    Posada Guillen edge Detroit
    Cano Rodriguez edge Yankees
    Who’s on first Rentaria edge Detroit
    Melkey J. Jones edge Yankees
    Yankees win 5-4 in match up and overall the Yankees hold a slight edge. You can expect at least decent production from first (not necessarily for a first baseman but for an 8 hitter). With Wilson B. Shelly D. Jason G. and maybe even Andy Phillips you’ll have talent and someone will take the opportunity to step up and play well. That someone might be different people through out the year but besides Andy they all have power and you can expect 30 homers from first and I did gave the edge to Detroit. and Yes Melkey’s better than Jacque Jones. That said for both teams a lot will be decided by health but in December it goes to the Yankees. Sorry Buster Olney and Steve Phillips who said this was a great move for the Tiger because it sent a message to their fans. That message is don’t expect any help from the farm system for 3 years.

    Bullpen
    Yankees Detroit edge edge Both Bad
    Closer
    Greatest ever vs Complete Bum edge Hmmm
    The Yankees are stacked with Power arms that will make up the bullpen and weather you like it or not Joba (probably) and Detroit is praying for a Christmas miracle to cure Zumaya’s shoulder. The Yankees will hold a huge edge here.

    Starters
    Wang Verlander Awesome
    Pettite Bonderman 11-9 era over 5
    Hughes Willis 10-15 era over 5 in the National League
    Mussina Rogers 3-4 era over 4 he’s Kenny Rogers
    Kennedy Robertson 9-13 era 4.73

    Why Joba will be in the Bullpen – They will let Mussina pitch himself out of the Rotation while limiting Joba’s innings allowing other young guns to establish themselves as relievers and then they’ll put Joba in the rotation after the All Star break. The Twins did this with both Johan and Liarano to great success (don’t bother me with Liarano getting hurt, pitchers get hurt and this had nothing to do with it) it was in 2003 that Johan went into the season as a reliever before being moved to the rotation and getting the Twins to the playoffs. Still even with out Joba and even with Verlander’s awesomenesses this is joke. Edge Yankees

    Overall
    The Yankees go 3 for 3 but the Tigers did improve their team last and sent a message to the fans. so they got that go for them which is nice.

  26. CB December 6th, 2007 at 12:58 am

    If that deal for Jones is accurate on mlb.com its a great one for the Dodgers.

    They really need another bat and with Cabrera traded there wasn’t much to be had.

    Jones is a risk given his awful year but at $36 million he’s worth it. Compare that to Torii Hunter for $90 million. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if Jones has a considerably better year than Hunter. With them both in LA that comparison will get made a lot.

    You know Boras is not happy. He was claiming that they had a $100 million dollar offer in hand for Jones, which of course no one believed.

    The Dodgers will be able to hang onto their kids instead of trading for another bat.

  27. bartap December 6th, 2007 at 12:59 am

    I still don’t understand why Pavano continues to occupy a spot on the Yankees’ 40 man roster.

    And yes, for all the reasons posters gave above, the continuing cheap shots at Josh Phelps, are a little pathetic. He proved at the end of last season that he was perfectly capable of being a useful platoon/bench guy. Seriously Pete, did he call you a name or refuse an interview? That “joke” seems seriously unprofessional.

  28. CaptainsCorner December 6th, 2007 at 1:00 am

    Rebecca, Ofcourse not we can always laugh at our “friends” in Boston. Especially the ones with the big mouths.

  29. Bleacher Creature PJ December 6th, 2007 at 1:00 am

    Yes but no woman will compare with Jean Zimmer. “Smokin.”

  30. CB December 6th, 2007 at 1:00 am

    “I still don’t understand why Pavano continues to occupy a spot on the Yankees’ 40 man roster. ”

    If he stays on the 40 man the yankees get insurance money to cover his $10 million.

  31. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 6th, 2007 at 1:01 am

    Andruw Jones to the Dodgers, 2 years, $36 million. Front page of MLB.com

    :chokes on Pepsi after reading this:

  32. mel December 6th, 2007 at 1:04 am

    james,

    Now the talking heads on espn radio shows are talking Boston, Angels, and Detroit to be the best. Not one mention of the Yankees. Which is fine by most of us.

    As the great Theodore Roosevelt once said, “Speak softly and carry a big stick”. Now if he can just but a muzzle on Hank. He’s such a braggart. Check out his quotes:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12.....f=baseball

    I will lose any and all respect for Hank if he’s patient with the new manager and new pitchers, but not with Cashman. Cash-god’s plan will bear fruit soon.

  33. gianthinker December 6th, 2007 at 1:06 am

    Why not drop Pavano to protect Jackson?

  34. Rebecca--Optimist Prime December 6th, 2007 at 1:06 am

    Easiest job in the world:

    Back up goalie for NJ Devils

    or

    Carl Pavano?

  35. Dave December 6th, 2007 at 1:06 am

    We traded Johnson for a half a yr of Viz so far. Ohlendorf has not done enuff to consider him worth anything. All in all it was a decent trade – johnson sucked and we recieved a half a yr of a decent reliever out of it. Sheff’s trade on the other hand sucked.

    mY posts a while back werent saying i wont trade ANYTHING for santana. It was saying i wont trsde anything that the twins want for him. It was a respone to a previous post and completelty misread by people as usual. Ppl read the comment my comment is responding to so you get the sentences in context. Otherwise you completely misunderstand things.

  36. mel December 6th, 2007 at 1:07 am

    Bleacher Creature,

    LOL. I’m not into women, just going by what every red-blooded male here says.

  37. Peter Abraham December 6th, 2007 at 1:09 am

    Nothing makes me laugh harder than the nitwits who get all indignant when I call Josh Phelps a Hall of Famer.

  38. myrtlebeachfan December 6th, 2007 at 1:11 am

    This player is going to be a huge surprise and earn his second comeback player of the year award…

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....statType=1

    just saying..

  39. CaptainsCorner December 6th, 2007 at 1:11 am

    Wow!! About the Jones signing. It is amazing what a bad contract year can do for you. If he was a free agent after the 05 or 06 seasons he would of had a $100m contract. I do not think that he is finished like some people are saying, it is possible to just have a bad year. It’s not a bad deal for the Dodgers at all. Only 2 years and $18m a year is a lot but it is better then signing Guillen like the Royals.

  40. E-ROC December 6th, 2007 at 1:11 am

    I thought the Yankees were going to release Pavano to have a spot open. Get rid of that fool. I would protect Steven Jackson. I’d protect Brett Smith…….or Eric Duncan.

  41. Save Phil Hughes December 6th, 2007 at 1:11 am

    Where is Pavano? Is his butt still sore?

  42. J-Dawg December 6th, 2007 at 1:12 am

    The MLB.com article says that the Dodgers will put Andruw in center while moving Juan Pierre to left. That’s actually a pretty good deal for the Dodgers, they needed some extra pop in the lineup.

  43. Kirk Herbstreit December 6th, 2007 at 1:12 am

    sheff’s trade sucked how?!

    it’ll be too funny when sanchez is mowing them down in the 8th inning next year.

  44. CB December 6th, 2007 at 1:15 am

    mel,

    Hank does like to talk. But I think he knows what he’s doing or at least is smart enough to listen to Cash and buy into Cash’s plan for the future:

    “Our goal is to be self-sufficient,” Steinbrenner continued, repeating a theme, “like the Yankees used to be, and do it through the draft and Latin America. Our guys are the best scouts in baseball, and they’ve proven that over the last few years. It’s unbelievable the job Damon Oppenheimer and his scouts have done. That’s what’s got to continue.”

    Yeah, there’s a lot of bluster. But I do think he is serious about internal development. If they continue to stick with what they’ve been doing the team will be unbelievable (or at least until major league baseball changes the draft so they can’t keep getting talent)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12.....ref=slogin

  45. Dan December 6th, 2007 at 1:16 am

    How about making fun of every player who doesn’t meet fans’ expectations? The Yanks have plenty of them, why pick just Phelps?

  46. bartap December 6th, 2007 at 1:18 am

    Calling readers who disagree with you names? That’s really the best you can do in response. Frankly, Pete, I expected more from you.

  47. mel December 6th, 2007 at 1:19 am

    CB,

    I think he’s smart enough to defer to Cashman and the baseball people.

    But when you were growing up, didn’t you hate the kid that was always bragging?

    He’s our “boss” (lol) so it’s all good, but once he gets a head of steam, there’s no stopping him!

  48. CB December 6th, 2007 at 1:21 am

    E-Roc,

    Its the issue of the insurance money. As long as Pavano stays on the 40 man the yankees get the insurance to pick up his $10 million dollars.

    I think eventually once all the free agents are signed they will cut him. I don’ think his salary is worth DFA’ing someone from the 40 man.

    Brett Smith got sent back down to tampa last year. Duncan isn’t close to being major league ready.

    I don’t think they’ll get taken because they can’t stick on a 25 man pro roster for the whole season.

    Maybe a bad team takes a flier on Steven Jackson – but even he struggled in AA and in the Arizona fall league.

    This is one of the reason’s giving Brackman and Miranda major league deals was a problem. That’s a wast of 2 spots for no particularly good reason.

    They may need to cut a guy like TJ Beam because of that.

  49. mel December 6th, 2007 at 1:25 am

    Pete,

    I think that you’d better turn in your press credentials and BBWAA card. It’s obvious that you’re less than professional, and that your personal opinions do not allow you to be unbiased at all. You should take notes and try to emulate the Hall of Famer Peter Gammons. Now there’s a journalist who knows how to keep his personal bias out of his reporting.

    In fact, since so many people here don’t like how you report on the Yankees, why don’t you turn it into a Patriots blog?

  50. CB December 6th, 2007 at 1:27 am

    mel,

    I agree. He’s really too much. You get the sense he bided his time and now that time has arrived.

    But as a counter argument – I really do think he believes that other teams and players try to take advantage of the yankees either in terms of talent and money. And I do think that’s true.

    The other thing to remember – I get the sense that all of baseball thinks he’ll be just like his father – impatient and willing to do rash things to “win.”

    Just today I heard Gammons say that Bill Smith’s thinking on Santana is to hold him because eventually Hank will force Cash to throw Kennedy into the trade (Gammons also of course said the Sox will never put Lester and Ellsbury in the same deal and that’s final but that’s another story…)

    I think the same thing happened with Boras. He assumed that either George would panic and give ARod $400 million guaranteed after he opted out or Hank would be the same way.

    I think part of this is Hank feeling he needs to put his stamp on the team, show its his team and not his dad’s, and show people he’s not going to make the same type of rash decisions.

  51. Nettles vs. Lee December 6th, 2007 at 1:29 am

    Would the Yankees really suffer if they had to cut Henn, Beam, or DeSalvo?

  52. mel December 6th, 2007 at 1:30 am

    CB,

    I LOVED how Hank called out baseball for trying to fleece the Yankees. Brownie points. ummm.

  53. CaptainsCorner December 6th, 2007 at 1:31 am

    I am curious how much of Pavano’s $40m the Yanks actually got back. Does anyone know of a website where it would say how it works or is it too hard to figure out?

  54. Nettles vs. Lee December 6th, 2007 at 1:34 am

    Henn – 27 next season – career 7.53 ERA
    Beam – 27 next season – career 8.50 ERA
    DeSalvo – 27 next season – career 6.18 ERA

    Why should the Yankees give any of these guys another chance next season?

  55. CB December 6th, 2007 at 1:34 am

    That’s the thing Mel. I do like the way he’s making it clear that the old way of doing business is finished. Now I hope he follows through with it.

    He’s made ARod come back to him; was definite that Mariano was not getting a 4th year; and now called the Red Sox bluff and didn’t cave in to Smith.

    I hope he continues making those kind of well thought out moves. He’s not panicking or acting rashly.

    And I hope he stops being so vocal.

  56. Ethan December 6th, 2007 at 1:34 am

    I used to not mind Gammons, but the last few weeks he’s been really getting on my nerves.

    When it looked like the Yankees were going to get Santana, he was talking amount Hank and the Yankees with their AmEx card and how the destruction of small market teams.

    But when Red Sox looked like they were going to get Santana, Gammons was talking about “Theo’s integrity” and “intelligence.” I didn’t hear him mention how the Red Sox would be destroying the dreams of many small market teams’ fans. I also haven’t heard him going after Detroit for their pillaging of a small market team’s stars (though I’ve been trying to avoid ESPN recently).

  57. E-ROC December 6th, 2007 at 1:37 am

    CB–I’m probably the only here who still believes in Eric Duncan. I would’ve protected him, but I’m not working for the Yankees. That’s probably a good thing. Juan Miranda might be our first baseman on opening day, if makes the team out of spring training.

  58. CB December 6th, 2007 at 1:37 am

    “Would the Yankees really suffer if they had to cut Henn, Beam, or DeSalvo?”

    Would it hurt them to keep cheap layers as insurance against disaster?

    Having them on the 40 man doesn’t mean they need to call them up or play them.

    Its really no skin off their back – they’re a problem only because the roster is tight with all of the young talent they have.

    Also – Beam’s never been given a real shot in the majors. In a number of organizations he’d be considered a pretty good prospect and would’ve gotten more of a chance.

  59. matteo December 6th, 2007 at 1:41 am

    I’m guessing the yankees haven’t officially signed rivera, posada, arod and pettitte so they can protect more guys from the rule 5 draft by putting them on the 40 man roster. Watch all those guys’ contracts become official a week after the draft, and 3 people get booted from the 40 man.

  60. CB December 6th, 2007 at 1:41 am

    E-Roc,

    I haven’t totally given up on him. Who knows? I really don’t mind exposing him though because I cannot see any major league team making any kind of commitment to keeping him on a 25 man roster for a whole year. He’s not even close to ready.

    Agreed on Miranda, though with Giambi still on the team spots will be tight. I think he’ll be able to be at least a platoon player. I still hear such strange things about his “fielding.” A lot of people who saw him in Trenton say he’s past awful with the glove.

  61. mel December 6th, 2007 at 1:42 am

    Not to be mean, but if baseball doesn’t work out for Beam he could be a body double for Rowan Atkinson of Mr. Bean fame.

    http://www.knowledgebase-scrip.....kinson.gif

  62. Born in da Bronx December 6th, 2007 at 1:45 am

    “Nothing makes me laugh harder than the nitwits who get all indignant when I call Josh Phelps a Hall of Famer.”

    not at all indignant. just seems inappropriate. the guy played hard for us and he seems like a good guy. why make the wise cracks. i don’t understand the purpose of it.

    i was just wondering – perhaps peter did not write that…

  63. berra8 December 6th, 2007 at 1:46 am

    i think that is a great deal for the dodgers. i expect a substantial bounce-back from andruw this year, considering how much of an aberration his numbers were this year.

  64. james December 6th, 2007 at 1:46 am

    Welcome Carnac the Magnificent here is the envelope

    Holds envelope to forehead and says

    “Carl Pavano, Kei Igawa, Jeff Karstens, Matt Desalvo, Tyler Clippard, Darell Rasner, Chase Wright”

    A fat drunk slowly repeats

    “Carl Pavano, Kei Igawa, Jeff Karstens ,Matt Desalvo,Tyler Clippard, Darell Rasner aaand Chase Wright”

    Carnac rips open envelope blows and pulls out paper and reads “What are seven ways to say s*#t”

    Johnny’s dead and still funnier than me
    Since that collection of stiffs will never make another start for us again were already about 10 games better than last year.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  65. mel December 6th, 2007 at 1:48 am

    james,

    I fondly remember the Carnac the Magnificent gag. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t that originally done by someone else? I somehow remember that he wasn’t the first to do that.

    p.s. I’ve still got hopes that Farnsworth and Igawa will be good.

  66. CB December 6th, 2007 at 1:50 am

    you know what makes that jones deal even better – he’s technically a Type B player.

    Hard to believe but true. Rowand is a type A player.

    The Dodgers don’t even lose their first round draft pick. They’ve done very well in the draft and that pick is valuable to them.

  67. Rebecca--Optimist Prime December 6th, 2007 at 1:53 am

    I’m off to catch up on some non-existent beauty sleep.

    Maybe there’ll be a blizzard and they’ll cancel class tomorrow.

    Only not. This is Syracuse. Who am I kidding?

  68. james December 6th, 2007 at 2:01 am

    Carson invented Carnac the Magnificent maybe you mean hosting the Tonight Show which was first Steve Allen then Jack Parr before Carson. But Carson did the bit first.

    As far as hoping Farnsworth and Igawa will be good, well its the Christmas season its a time for hope.

    But more seriously the Yankees are so stalked with talent if their not good their gonna be gone quick.

  69. Mr. GoodKat December 6th, 2007 at 2:06 am

    Other than that, the latest buzz is no buzz. The Bay/Snell/Marte deal to the Yankees was overheard in the suite area by my source and he thought it was legit. He still thinks they are talking, but for who or what he doesn’t know.

    http://buccoblog.mlblogs.com/my_weblog/

    Same site that kept us updated on the Melky-Mike Gonzalez rumors of last offseason. Snell and Marte make some sense, but why Bay? Our OF would be awful defensively (assuming Melky is dealt in such a deal).

  70. james December 6th, 2007 at 2:08 am

    One of the funniest things ever on Carson. Bob Hope and Dean Martin do a surprise walk on before scheduled guest George Goble comes on and realizes no one cares about him and makes a few jokes about it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX1zLYO9ycQ

  71. mel December 6th, 2007 at 2:11 am

    It’s so sad that Carson wasn’t the happy-go-lucky guy he portrayed on t.v. I heard that he suffered quite a bit in his personal life.

  72. Dan December 6th, 2007 at 2:11 am

    Goodkat-

    Perhaps the Yankees are planning on keeping Chamberlain in the pen? A bullpen of Mo,Joba,Marte,Farnsworth,Britton,Ohlendorf and Mussina would be pretty strong. Especially with a rotation of Wang,Pettitte,Snell,Kennedy,Hughes.

    That being said, I think this deal is total BS.

    While I could see them moving Grabow and (or) Marte, moving Snell makes zero sense for them. He’s not making much money and he is the closest thing the Pirates have to an ace. Plus, he is going to be pricey. I don’t think he’d be a bad fit, but it just does not make sense.

    and is your name a reference to lucky number slevin? great film.

  73. darth daddy December 6th, 2007 at 2:11 am

    you guys should really check out http://www.enough-lupica.com! awesome site. will have you LOL. i was LMAO earlier today. since you probably interact w/ lupica Pete, you would get a good chuckle out of it. i am sure he really is this pompous midget. sorry, i meant to say little person.

  74. E-ROC December 6th, 2007 at 2:20 am

    Darth Daddy–Good find.

  75. DadinIowa December 6th, 2007 at 2:27 am

    No, on Carson….the BEST sketch was the copper clappers caper. Makes me laugh out loud EVERY time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpVjW30I-YU

  76. Mr. GoodKat December 6th, 2007 at 2:28 am

    Well, we know the Pirates probably like Melky (M. Gonzo trade talks last offseason), maybe a package of Melky+Kennedy+Another higher prospect lands Snell, Bay, and Marte.

    Marte obviously makes a lot of sense, but I think Snell makes a bit of sense for the Yankees too. He’s not going to be nearly expensive as Santana or Haren, but he is has some pretty good stuff. I don’t think he’s an ace….but he’s a bonafide #2 or #3. Help take some pressure off the rest of the youngsters in the rotation.

    “Pittsburgh’s Ian Snell. Teams that have talked to the Pirates say they’re in the midst of a monstrous internal debate about whether they’d be willing to at least dangle Snell, a major 26-year-old talent who had more quality starts this year (22) than Santana or Roy Oswalt and a better strikeout rate (7.66 per 9 innings) than Carlos Zambrano or Ben Sheets.” — Jason Stark, ESPN, Nov 21

  77. Phil December 6th, 2007 at 2:28 am

    back in the `80′s Lupica used to be terrified that News readers would discover he was a lifelong Red Sox fan. Little nitwit used to wear Sox cap to play softball in L.I. He sucked. He and Mitch Albom seem to take turns wishing they were each other.

  78. james December 6th, 2007 at 2:29 am

    I hate Mike Lupica with a burning passion. When we win the Series in 08 (with 09 10 11 12 13 ect ect to fallow) the first thing that talentless midget is gonna do is count up every penny the Yankees spent on payroll and luxury tax since 2001 add about 200 million (cuz hes a lying little s*#t) and golf clap an article for us about all it took to win your championship was blah blah blah blah.

    My Christmas wish is for Lil Luppy to be forced to read his drivel, all of it those lousy books too, or use a shut gun and his big toe to put him out of my misery. I think you know what he would choose, what would any one choose confronted with a fate worse than death Bammm!

  79. Mr. GoodKat December 6th, 2007 at 2:29 am

    Dan,

    Yes my name is a reference to Lucky Number Slevin. It’s a great movie, I mean how can you not like Mr. GoodKat? He’s all business.

  80. Dan December 6th, 2007 at 2:43 am

    Goodkat

    God, how awesome is retro-goodkat? mind bending.

    Nice find with Stark’s comments on Snell. I’d be a fan of a Marte/Snell deal for sure-especially if it involved Melky Cabrera-but I’d be reluctant to give up Kennedy.

    If the Yankees could get their hands on Marte/Snell for a package of Karstens, Tabata, Gonzalez and Marquez, I’d be all for it. I think keeping the “big three” intact is very important, and by adding the very competitive and firey Snell to the mix, the Yankees would have a great rotation for years to come-and with Joba in the pen-they’d be an even stronger team.

  81. The Shmoo December 6th, 2007 at 2:45 am

    I love lucky number sleven

  82. Mr. GoodKat December 6th, 2007 at 2:51 am

    Melky+Horne+Tabata for Snell, Marte, and Bay

  83. james December 6th, 2007 at 2:52 am

    off to bed

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNR0V8qjhIY

  84. Dan December 6th, 2007 at 3:03 am

    Too much goodkat, and Bay would be a waste. I’d rather save a prospect and only acquire Snell/Marte.

    I mean, what would we do with Abreu,Matsui, Damon and Bay?

    Plus Bay is an icon over there.

  85. Mr. GoodKat December 6th, 2007 at 3:06 am

    It’s true, but I’m speculating that the Pirates want Melky. Well, the Yankees simply aren’t going to move Melky without adding someone that can play the OF, that could be Bay. That’s the only reason I see us having interest. Unless Bay can pick up a 1B Glove.

  86. Dan December 6th, 2007 at 3:12 am

    If the Yankees trade Melky, it will be because they know they can sign Aaron Rowand to a 4/5 year deal. Most scouts speculate that Rowand’s declining defense will relegate him to LF within in the next two seasons-when Johnny Damon’s contract is up and Austin Jackson is ready to take over a full time job in CF. Just a thought.

    Alright, I’m headed to bed.

  87. E-ROC December 6th, 2007 at 3:35 am

    I would rather have the Yankees sign Kosuke Fukudome. He’s only asking for 3 years on his contract, starting around $30 million.

  88. 12345 December 6th, 2007 at 3:54 am

    another josh phelps joke. how original.

  89. lisa_trevor December 6th, 2007 at 4:14 am

    “Nothing makes me laugh harder than the nitwits who get all indignant when I call Josh Phelps a Hall of Famer.”

    I agree that it is funny, but there are plenty of things that should make you laugh harder. Like Late Night with Conan O’Brien. Or that Justin Timberlake Christmas Box thing from SNL. Or watching Kei Igawa pitch. Those are just a few examples.

  90. Giuseppe Franco December 6th, 2007 at 5:10 am

    Conan O’Brien is funny?

    Who knew?

  91. rover December 6th, 2007 at 5:35 am

    its ok pete. i totally got the phelps joke. frankly you could have picked any non hof and the joke is still good. those who didn’t get it are the same as those with the ridiculous trade phillosophy. like getting santana for 4 dudes still in highschool or something. sheesh.

  92. east side yankee December 6th, 2007 at 6:39 am

    The one issue that remains for me is the nefarious , over the top behavior of Boston and whether they just used Gammons, Olney at. al or if they were in on it.

    Every minute you kepy hearing something new. They’ve traded medical reports, Boston is going to start the extension talks with 20 million at 5 years, Boston has booked the a room for a 2pm conference to announce te deal.

    All of it designed to make the Yankees panic.

    Anyone who knows anything about Bill Madden knows he had one of two stories to go with. If that Yankees had gotten Santana he would have ripped them for the over the top spending. Because they didn’t get Santana he went with the other story.

    Remember Madden is the hack who in June wrote an article detailing how the Yankees were finished and they were going to stink for the forseeable future since their farm system stank as well.

    When the Yankees made a comeback and someone clued him in to the Farm system I don’t think he wrote another column on the Yankees till Arod get together happened.

    My guess is the Twins leaked that trade proposal to him in an effort to get the Yanks back to the table.

    I used to joke about how the media hates the Yanks but I’m beginning to think its true

  93. E-ROC December 6th, 2007 at 6:59 am

    east side yankee–I agree with you. The Twins probably wanted to trade with Yankees all along, but screwed up the negotiations. Now, the Mets of all teams might get Santana. I chuckled when I saw that report.

  94. murphydog December 6th, 2007 at 7:27 am

    Why does everybody bash Lupica?

    He’s just a blue collar guy like us; with a press pass; with a genuine middle class sensibility to go along with it; he knows how hard it is to make a buck; he gets his hands dirty at work; like us fans; he feels what we feel and just has a better way of saying it than we do; he’s smarter than we sheep; that’s why he can use a semi-colon a lot; it’s a punctuation; the idiosyncratic use of which clearly signifies someone of enormous literary talent; think about it; any idiot can use it correctly and sparingly; only a genius uses it a lot; so what if Loopy is to semi-colons what Joel Seinberg was to Hedda Nussbaum?

    But back to him being so smart; he even understands politics; a guy really has to be pretty cool and smart to have a political opinion; most people don’t even have a political view on Bush or Clinton; so reading his political stuff is: really illuminating. (There. I used a colon).

    But above all he’s never forgotten where he came from; he’s not a different guy now just because he hangs in the Hamptons and stomps the divots during and after celebrity polo matches; or because he’s written a children’s book; (and let me tell you; it’s rare for anyone with a little notoriety to be able to sell a children’s book to a publisher); who cares if he’s predictable and laborious and repetitive and so clearly biased against the Yankees no matter what they do; his consistency proves he’s no phony, right? That’s right.

    Most people just probably dislike Loopy Lupica because he speaks truth to power; (right on, brother Mike; fight the power!); I think Loopy should run for office; we need someone with his voice; his vision; his love of mom; apple pie; taxes and creating a new national health insurance bureaucracy; Wait; I’ve got a great idea for a campaign poster; a picture of Loopy on a polo pony, leaning over to kiss Christie Brinkley as he accepts his trophy; his slogan would be: People; Passion; Punctuation.

    Why can’t we all just get along;

  95. Vader December 6th, 2007 at 7:30 am

    Something just occured to me with the Santana talks seeming to have simmered, both the Yankees and Sawx think that five young pitchers (Joba, Hughes, IPK, Bucholtz, and Lester) are going to be the real deal. Those are some large odds.

    I am all for keeping Hughes, because for some reason I think he is going to be the best out of all of them, I don’t know why it is just a feeling. I think it has something to do with his 13K 7 inning performance in the AA playoffs against Portland (Sawx affiliate) two years ago at the age of 19-20 and what I saw in Texas, as well as September and October.

    Now I could be totally wrong, what do I know, I just some dumb fan on a blog at 7:30AM, when I should be getting ready for work.

  96. Vader December 6th, 2007 at 7:32 am

    Murphydog, or maybe the fact that he is a BC grad and his old man lives in RSN?

  97. murphydog December 6th, 2007 at 7:38 am

    Vader:

    That certainly could be a factor;

  98. Angel December 6th, 2007 at 7:52 am

    Do we have any updates on The Yankees looking into Ron Mahay and bringing Viz back?

  99. Doreen December 6th, 2007 at 7:56 am

    Too funny; murphydog.

  100. TurnTwo December 6th, 2007 at 7:57 am

    Marte, Snell and Bay for Melky, Horne, Marquez and Tabata? I’d make that move in a heartbeat.

    Snell fits as well in the 3 spot in the rotation as Marte does in the bullpen. Buying Jason Bay off the season he had last year now would be a steal. His numbers last season dont reflect the kind of player he really is. The guy can run a little bit, play a solid LF, and he adds a little punch in the lineup from the right side. I dont love the idea of converting players to new positions, but I’d imagine he could transition to 1B if need be.

  101. murphydog December 6th, 2007 at 8:01 am

    Doreen;

    Excellent use of the semi;

    Remember: “People; Passion; Punctuation;”

  102. Joeysdadjoe December 6th, 2007 at 8:06 am

    Phelps is still a better player than Andy Phillips or Eye Chart.Torre didnt like him plain and simple.

  103. Mike S. December 6th, 2007 at 8:06 am

    I’ve been saying for 2 years that Eric Duncan won’t make it.

    As for Brett Smith, he was 7-4, 2.97 at Trenton, was sent down to Tampa and was horrible at Tampa, going 0-6, 7.41

  104. randy l. December 6th, 2007 at 8:07 am

    “We have to get back people that are going to help us win in the major leagues. Everybody thinks we’re just launching people. That’s not the case, or Santana would have been traded,” Twins manager Ron Gardenhire said. “We’ve had good offers from people on Santana, but it has to be a package that we’re comfortable with.”

    “Everyone knows who is out there,” Mets manager Willie Randolph said. “The big fish are out there. Santana is still out there. I don’t think that we’re necessarily out of the picture even though I think Boston and the Yankees get most of the play on that. Depends on what Minnesota wants, if they have what we like, that’s something that might happen.”

    not sure what it means, but you don’t see yankee managers talking about trades like this.
    randolph and gardenhire seem like they are involved in the trading process making statements that reflect team positions while yankee managers seem to just say they’ll work with what they have and that acquisitions are not in their job description.

    should girardi be more involved in trades in a similar fashion? he will after all be the one managing the players traded for.

  105. Doreen December 6th, 2007 at 8:15 am

    randy l.

    I think just because Girardi wasn’t vocal to the media doesn’t mean he isn’t vocal internally. After all, he’s been to the GM meetings, the Winter meetings and the Dominican so far. So I would guess he’s pretty involved.

  106. Ed FL December 6th, 2007 at 8:28 am

    Peter, sleepy head, wake up. It’s 8 am. Time to let’s us know at what time is the Rule 5 Draft.

  107. DMan December 6th, 2007 at 8:28 am

    I don’t think anybody that could be taken from us on the Rule 5 draft is ready or good enough to play a full season in the majors for any team..

    I know everybodys always looking for pitchers, but I don’t think Jackson or Smith are ready to play a full season in the majors..

    So, maybe they get drafted, but I think chances are at somepoint in the season they’re offered back to the Yankees.

  108. randy l. December 6th, 2007 at 9:00 am

    doreen-
    you would think girardi would be involved, but the yankees make some odd management decisions sometimes. the yankee have so much specialization that sometimes i wonder if the ball is dropped sometimes when it’s passed from one managment level to another. for instance,i doubt anyone asked torre last winter about hiring marty miller and that decision certainly affected things on the field. i have no doubt that gardenhire would be involved with who his performance coach would be in the more spartan twins management.

    now that i think of it, who is the yankees conditioning coach? i don’t think they ever replaced miller. dana cavalea, the assistant coach, who doesn’t even have a masters degree, took over for miller when he was fired. it ‘d be nice if the yankees had a world class conditioning coach this year.

  109. Mitch December 6th, 2007 at 9:10 am

    The Rule V draft won’t make or break anything the Yankees do in 2008.
    Let’s get Marte in a deal, sign Ron Mahay and leave Nashville with 2 good bullpen lefthanders. Call it a successful time in Nashville.
    The Santana talks will re-kindle after a cooling off period.
    Gammons goes back to Boston disappointed that he couldn’t pull off a Santana deal for his team.

  110. ThatWasMe December 6th, 2007 at 9:12 am

    I guess if you agree with Lupica’s leftwing political ideology the insulting analogies he draws in his sports columns that offend independents and conservatives would not necessarily effect you.
    Not to mention he is a card carrying full time Yankee basher.

  111. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 6th, 2007 at 9:14 am

    The rule when following the Yankees is simple: They’re the Yankees, so anything is possible. But from all indications, the Yankees are out of the bidding for Johan Santana, and they seem happy to be forging ahead with their platoon of young pitchers intact.

    It was wrenching enough for the Yankees to even offer Phil Hughes to the Twins for Santana, and General Manager Brian Cashman was never too enthusiastic. Hank Steinbrenner, the senior vice president, said he had heard that fans were glad the Yankees pulled out of the Santana chase.

    “I don’t base what I do on other people’s opinions,” Steinbrenner said. “You can’t take opinion polls every day. But I’m really pleased at the fan reaction to keeping Hughes, and the fans do matter. Their opinion does matter.

    “They’re the ones that buy tickets and watch the YES Network. I like the way they get attached to homegrown Yankee players, just like the rest of us do in ownership and the front office. I was actually kind of surprised. But the fans seem to be in favor of keeping Hughes, and that’s a good thing.”

    A rotation of Chien-Ming Wang, Andy Pettitte, Joba Chamberlain, Mike Mussina and Hughes – with Ian Kennedy also in the mix – has the potential to be very good. If the Yankees truly stay away from Santana, the rest of their off-season may center on bolstering the bullpen.

    The free-agent market is thin, so the Yankees seem prepared to build from within. At this point, it will be a free-for-all in spring training, with Jonathan Albaladejo, Chris Britton, Brian Bruney, Ross Ohlendorf and José Veras among the right-handed candidates, and Sean Henn, Kei Igawa and Chase Wright from the left side.

    And that is not even counting the starters Cashman plans to try in relief: Alan Horne, Jeff Marquez and Steven White.

    “We’re going to have a good team,” Cashman said. “We have a lot of work to do. There are areas of need that still need to be addressed, and we’ll stay focused on that.”

    bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/fans-have-spoken-phil-hughes-stays-with-yanks/

  112. Patrick Bateman December 6th, 2007 at 9:27 am

    Josh Phelps and Andy Phillips will be on the same Hall of Fame Ballot.

    Although during his Hall of Fame introduction, nobody will mention Phillips stats. All we’ll hear is how he’s the nicest guy in baseball.

    I’d be a nice guy too if I had a job making 400+ grand and had no business playing the game.

  113. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 6th, 2007 at 9:31 am

    And has made 650,000 over his career. A nice piece of change, but he is by no means set up for life. So don’t diss him!

  114. Hooog December 6th, 2007 at 9:50 am

    James:

    Buster didn’t say that Detroit is the best team in the AL. He said they improved and could challenge other teams, but also added that he thinks the Indians are the solid leader in the central because of pitching. Phillips on the other hand cut Buster off and said that Detroit is now the BEST team in the AL, but we all know how credible Steve is.

    They did both say that Detroit does have a powerful lineup that could rival any in baseball which is true. Alot of it will depend on how healthy Sheffield is and stays as well as how J Jones adapts to that pitchers park. Pudge is on the decline but still a formidle hitter.

    I am not a big fan of Willis and think he will struggle in the AL just as he has in the NL the past few years. It seems alot of his succes, much like Hideo Nomo, was in the deception in his delivery. So, he could have some success early, but I wouldn’t expect it to hold up long term. There was also talk they could spin him off in a seperate trade, perhaps for bullpen help. The Mets have always been interested.

  115. Patrick Bateman December 6th, 2007 at 9:55 am

    I agree jennifer, 600 grand doesnt make him set for life.

    But if I told you that tomorrow you’d be the GM of the Yankees for 3 years, wouldn’t you be like a ray of sunshine around everyone since you just got a job that you weren’t qualified for?

  116. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 6th, 2007 at 10:02 am

    Why the hating on Andy? He did pretty good for us last year.

  117. hmmm December 6th, 2007 at 10:16 am

    of course the irony of Pete still mocking Phelps is b/c he was one of the Andy Phillips fan club and the Yankees just cut Phillips. we’ll see if any other team offers him a job. i doubt they will.

    Andy Phillips couldn’t hold Josh Phelps’ jockstrap. Phelps probably would have started hitting for the yankees if Torre had actually played him regularly. the guy can hit. the yankees could STILL use him as a right handed bat off the bench. Phelps has a better track record than Shelley Duncan, although i like Duncan too.

    i can’t tell you how happy i am to see a manager here who is going to play guys based on performance on not by who are his favorites.

    but hey, Andy Phillips was a nice guy. so everyone pretended that he was actually a major leaguer for a year. that how far being nice to the press can get you.

    whatever. the Phelps’ bashing is ridiculous and is based on the biggest strawman ever: the people that wanted him to play more NEVER THOUGHT HE WAS AN ALL-STAR. so stop implying that they thought that. all they thought was that he could make one good half of a platoon. that’s all.

    it’s so obvious that you never forgave him for making the team over everyone’s favorite son Andy Phillips in spring training, and everyone held that against him.

    i am so tired of this argument, yet Pete feels the need to just keep bringing it up over and over even though he KNOWS it pisses people off. i don’t get it.

  118. saucy December 6th, 2007 at 10:46 am

    S
    December 6th, 2007 at 12:53 am

    thanks for the link!

  119. saucy December 6th, 2007 at 10:59 am

    Hmmm, I hear you on Phelps. But defensively he was a liability. Any borderline throw seemed like he couldn’t catch it and the error always went to the guy throwing the ball, when it was clearly a throw an average 1B would catch.

    Maybe i’m overreacting cause those plays stick in my mind the most, but that was my biggest memory of Phelps. Guy that couldn’t catch anything in the dirt.

  120. Patrick Bateman December 6th, 2007 at 11:07 am

    I don’t hate Phillips, but lets be honest about what he is, a career minor leaguer.

    He doesn’t belong on a major league roster, which is why every time the Yankees DFA him nobody touches him. In the major leagues you can’t have a 1B who hits worse than a shortstop or catcher.

    Everytime this guy is waived we hear about how much of a class act he was when he packed up his locker and how he tipped the clubhouse attendant 10 bucks.

    I don’t care about how nice any player is. I want to see a guy rake. I don’t care if ARod steals an 8 year old’s lunch money, as long as he hits 40 HRs a year.

  121. hmmm December 6th, 2007 at 11:17 am

    “Hmmm, I hear you on Phelps. But defensively he was a liability. Any borderline throw seemed like he couldn’t catch it and the error always went to the guy throwing the ball, when it was clearly a throw an average 1B would catch. ”

    absolutely. which is why i object to Pete’s characterization of the Phelps supporters as being some group of delusional morons who think Phelps is Albert Pujols.

    no one thought that. but he was a good right handed bat, and Torre should have given him more ABs. that’s really all anyone was saying.

    and after Giambi went down, Phelps wouldn’t have been a bad DH option against LHP. but Torre wouldn’t play him and then Torre told Cashman he didn’t want Morgan Ensberg either, so we could have Andy Phillips. it was absurd.

    this was in the star ledger in July:

    “And there are also many in the organization who worry that manager Joe Torre could stand in the way of the improvements they try to make. Torre was opposed to the team’s efforts to acquire outfielder Milton Bradley when the A’s put him on waivers, and he opposed a possible deal for Houston infielder Morgan Ensberg. “

  122. Patrick Bateman December 6th, 2007 at 11:22 am

    Yankees All-Nice Guy Team Batting Order

    1. Miguel Cairo- SS
    2. Andy Phillips- 1B
    3. Clay Bellinger- 3B
    4. Bubba Crosby- CF
    5. Kevin Thompson- RF
    6. Sal Fasano- C
    7. Homer Bush- 2B
    8. Melky Cabrera- LF
    9. Luis Sojo- DH

  123. Anthony December 6th, 2007 at 12:58 pm

    Where’s Enrique Wilson in that line-up?


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