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Yankees and Giants chat it up

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 06, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

ph_425686.jpgIt remains to be seen whether a match can be made. But we can confirm that the Giants and Yankees are talking and Hideki Matsui was mentioned.

It makes sense in some ways. He would be a popular draw for the city’s vast Japanese population, no small factor with Barry Bonds off the roster. Matsui also would become San Francisco’s best power threat.

This was a team that scored 683 runs last season with Bonds.

Lowry was 14-8, 3.92, which doesn’t seem so bad. But he had only 87 strikeouts and 87 walks in 156 innings while allowing 155 hits. Maybe the Yankees are looking at some of their relievers. Maybe Rich Aurilia to play first base? Matsui for Lowry and Aurilia? Lowry and Kevin Correia? Matt Cain?

Like we said at the top, it remains to be seen whether there’s a match. But I believe blogs were invented to speculate about baseball trades.

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Heard from the Dodgers that Joe Torre has knee replacement surgery yesterday. It must have been all those trips to bring Scott Proctor into the game.

Seriously, if you watched any game last season you probably noticed how badly Joe was limping. There were a few days when he could barely move. So good luck to him getting back up and around.

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463 Responses to “Yankees and Giants chat it up”

  1. Drew December 6th, 2007 at 2:08 pm

    Lowry will stink in the AL…on another note..

    790 AM in Houston is reporting that the Astros are close to acquiring Miguel Tejada from the Orioles for Adam Everett, Chris Burke and a pitcher.

  2. Mike R. December 6th, 2007 at 2:09 pm

    I don’t think this deal will get done. I can’t see a match.

  3. harrs21 December 6th, 2007 at 2:09 pm

    Rim shot for Pete.

  4. JFud26 December 6th, 2007 at 2:10 pm

    You need to get more than Noah Lowry for Matsui. With the immortal Jose Guillen getting 36 million, it definitely boosts Matsui’s value. The Giants don’t have much to offer.

  5. ben December 6th, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    No less than lincecum…I would hope.

  6. DP From Texas December 6th, 2007 at 2:12 pm

    Bad deals – every one of them.

  7. DMan December 6th, 2007 at 2:12 pm

    I would miss his bat no doubt..

    But the lineup and even the rotation are less important in my mind than the bullpen.

    If they can pull a solid reliever or even 2, then I’d be willing to do it..

    Really really doubtfull, but maybe Rudy Seánez.

    I’d love their lefty Joe Beimel, but uh, thats a pipe dream..

  8. Global Warming December 6th, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    Eww, Lowry is just terrible.

    People underestimate Matsuis value to this team. Unless you can offer a package that would bring back Cain, it’s not worth it all for the Yankees to make this move.

    I’d rather move Damon.

  9. ~Adam. December 6th, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    LOL, Soctt Procter’s legend will live forever. Good luck with that new Knee JOE!!

  10. CB December 6th, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    Noah Lowry is unacceptable. He’ll get torched in the AL East

    The Giants have only two players worth getting – Lincecum and Cain – neither of which they are going to let go of for Matsui.

    Otherwise their roster is barren. Their minor league system is terrible. They ignored it for years. The past 2 seasons or so they’ve focused on it more but the guys they have that are talented are far far away.

  11. myrtlebeachfan December 6th, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    I hope to god we don’t trade him.

    On a side note.. If the Red Sox don’t get Santana, the Yankees easily have the best team in baseball yet again. Look at the second half of last season with a lesser team than we will have going into next season. We had a far superior offense to anyone in baseball. Our pitching is better than Detroit’s and Boston has not improved their pitching enough to compete with us. The only time Boston could beat us last year is when we were putting the likes of Karstens, Rasner, and Wright out there against them. When we had our roster intact, we destroyed all of baseball. There was no competition.

    I understand we choked in Cleveland in the playoffs, but I’m talking the regular season. Anyone who puts another team above the Yankees going into next year needs to seriously analyze their position.

    The only way a team is better is if Dontrelle pitches wonderfully for Detroit because their offense still is not superior.

  12. mel December 6th, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    I’d rather pay Jason to go away than trade away Matsui.

  13. berra8 December 6th, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    i love matt cain. if they could package alan horne and matsui for matt cain, i would jump at that in a minute. i’d even throw another prospect in the mix.

  14. RangerRob December 6th, 2007 at 2:15 pm

    Matsui and Igawa for Lincecum and a reliever

  15. Mitchell's Eleven December 6th, 2007 at 2:15 pm

    No way. Still a solid, tough-as-nails veteran. You keep him until the wheels fall off, unless completely blown away by an offer.

    My wife would be crushed as well, as she’s already not taken well to Melky rumors and Matsui’s her favorite. Cashman has to take that into consideration. ;)

  16. Will December 6th, 2007 at 2:16 pm

    I realize you are throwing out idle speculation, but the package you suggested are pitiful. Do you really think Cashman would give away Matsui for nothing? Hidecki is still a very valuable bat…not something you give a way for a 5th starter and washed up player like Aurilia. Speculation is fun, but it should make some sense.

  17. stuart December 6th, 2007 at 2:16 pm

    if that hosuton baltimore trade is true, baltimore are morons……

    rudy saenez is like 38 yr old journeyman, be real guys.

    Matsui is a borderline all star guys…

    He can play and is worth a lot and who’s contract is not bad…….

  18. Nud December 6th, 2007 at 2:17 pm

    NO WAY the Yanks trade Matsui who puts up a consistent line ever year and can hit in the clutch and last year he was still pretty good albeit streaky with a bum knee for Noah Lowry (avg pitcher at best) and a few middle tier bullpen pitchers. That is a dumb rumor

  19. Grant December 6th, 2007 at 2:18 pm

    I don’tlike it, Matsui is CLUTCH.

  20. mel December 6th, 2007 at 2:18 pm

    If Matsui’s knees didn’t go bad this year, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.

  21. CB December 6th, 2007 at 2:19 pm

    The Jays tried to sell the Giants on trading Rios for Cain.

    The Giants said no for Cain. Then they said no for Lincecum

    I like Matsui. But rios is much, much better player and younger.

    So many of yankee fans were incensed about hughes getting traded for santana.

    come on – if you were a giants fan how would you feel about matsui for lincecum/ cano even if the yankees did throw in a good minor leaguer not named hughes or joba.

  22. Mister Delaware December 6th, 2007 at 2:19 pm

    How long before people realize “The Big 3″ is really “The Big 2 plus a nice pitcher who happened to come up at the same time as two guys who project as #1s and therefore gets lumped in with them”?

  23. Prince December 6th, 2007 at 2:20 pm

    Matsui was Clutch then he got hurt. He hasn’t been the same since and had one big month where he festered on bad pitching.

    He cannot hit any top of rotation caliber pitching it’s sad but true.

    I gotta agree with the good doctor, Dr. Cox with this one.

  24. DMan December 6th, 2007 at 2:20 pm

    Really, the Yankees have to be looking at his deal for a reliever.. We’re so crowded at SP already, not to mention the kids waiting to come up..

    This deal has got to be for the bullpen.

  25. Mr. GoodKat December 6th, 2007 at 2:20 pm

    The Pittsburgh Rumors about Jason Bay make more sense now:

    Yankees Trade:

    Tabata, Other mid-high prospects, Matsui

    Receive:

    Marte. Bay, and Snell

    Pirates Trade:

    Marte, Bay, Snell

    Receive:

    Lowry, SF Prospects, NYY Prospects

    Giants Trade:

    Lowry and other prospects

    Receive:

    Matsui

  26. SJ44 December 6th, 2007 at 2:20 pm

    Its not that Baltimore are morons stuart. That’s the market for Tejada right now.

    Between fears he is in the Mitchell Report, his attitude, his diminished range and his contract, not a lot of teams want to take him on.

    At this point in his career, his name is bigger than his game.

    As far as the Giants-Yankees are concerned, if the name(s) coming back to the Yankees aren’t Lincecum, Cain or Sanchez, i’d pass.

    Everybody in baseball is asking for the moon in trades. Its why no deals get done.

    The Yankees might as well enjoy the parade in that end.

    If the Giants want Matsui, let them overpay to get him.

  27. stuart December 6th, 2007 at 2:21 pm

    Pete look up matsui’s stats man you are totally undervalueing him….

    Matsui is 33 not 39…

    295 avg,371 OBP, 4 out of 5 yrs. 100 rbis…

  28. Mike December 6th, 2007 at 2:22 pm

    Matsui and Kennedy for Cain.

    One can dream, no?

  29. Derek Jeter for President December 6th, 2007 at 2:22 pm

    Yeah but its different if the yanks arent going for anyone named Cain or Lincecum unlike the bluejays, And i dont think they will go after either of them.

  30. migames December 6th, 2007 at 2:22 pm

    didnt cashman say that the yankees wont be involved in any big trades?

  31. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 6th, 2007 at 2:22 pm

    yes we would Mel because he’s regressed even before the knee injury, like I said in October moving Matsui while you still can is not a dumb thing to do especially w/ Austin Jackson and Jose Tabata not to far away.

    Pete, I’m thinking more along the lines of Jonathon Sanchez and Noah Lowry, I’m praying Matt Cain or Lincecum +Sanchez.. hey you never know. Why not also force SF to up the offer by getting the Dodgers in the mix ?

  32. mel December 6th, 2007 at 2:23 pm

    Mr. Delaware,

    It’s actually “The Big One with a Flamethrower Who Came Down from the Heavens and a Really Good College Pitcher.”

    Other teams can disparage our guys and ridicule us for wanting to keep them intact. But they’d kill to have the Big 3.

  33. Waltzing Mathilda December 6th, 2007 at 2:23 pm

    Good God, Peter, you are TERRIBLE at proposing trades. Stick to your typical alarmist nonsense.

  34. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 6th, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    Mr. GoodKat, they aren’t trading Tabata

  35. stuart December 6th, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    SJ I know Tejada is down but adam everett is terrible..burke is nothing….again it still is a joke trade…

  36. VOIII December 6th, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    For all of you Hughes bashers from the previous thread…Which stats below (from their last 10 starts) are Hughes and which stats are Lincecum’s ?

    W L ERA SV IP H ER BB SO
    4 2 4.08 0 57.1 50 26 23 42

    W L ERA SV IP H ER BB SO
    2 3 4.05 0 60.0 58 27 27 55

  37. Dr. Cox December 6th, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    THANK GOD!!!

    PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN!!! I DONT CARE WHO MATSUI GETS TRADED FOR.

    HE CAN GET TRADED FOR 5 NEW FANS FOR ALL I CARE!!!

  38. Ed in SF December 6th, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    The Yankees have no use for Lowry.

    Jonathan Sanchez, on the other hand, could be interesting

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....atsId=7777

    Also, if the Yankees drop Matsui’s $13mm from the payroll, and if the Twins come to their senses and ask for Kennedy, Melky, and Horne…..

  39. Derek Jeter for President December 6th, 2007 at 2:26 pm

    Dr. Cox,

    give Matsui alittle more credit, he is atleast worth 7-10 fans and maybe a hotdog vender.

  40. Mister Delaware December 6th, 2007 at 2:26 pm

    Fair enough, Mel. You make the t-shirts, I’ll set up the website.

  41. Scooter December 6th, 2007 at 2:27 pm

    Migames -

    It’s Cashman’s usual M.O. – on all his big deals, he flies well below radar level in stealth mode

    Was there any warning on the ARod/Soriano deal? Even the Abreu deal was a pretty well-kept secret if I recall

    If we can somehow turn Matsui in Jonathan Sanchez, that would be a HUGE win – he’s a 25-year-old lefty with great lefty-righty splits who brings heat.

    SF would be incredibly stupid to trade Sanchez. We’d have to send some serious talent back – Marquez and Horne?

    Correia would be a nice pickup – a solid reliever.

    If we picked up Lowry, we could spin him off to a NL team. I don’t think he’d fly in the AL

  42. kunaldo December 6th, 2007 at 2:27 pm

    mr delaware, if you’re talking about kennedy, realize that he may end up being better than both hughes and joba…everyone underestimates him b/c of his lack of a power arm, but bottom line is he gets guys out, very efficiently at that…

  43. Mister Delaware December 6th, 2007 at 2:28 pm

    Sanchez is the only guy on S.F. that makes sense at this point but he’s pretty erratic. Not sure its a fit at this point.

  44. Nick in SF December 6th, 2007 at 2:28 pm

    re-post from the bottom of the previous thread:

    There is zero chance the Giants will trade Matt Cain, they are tremendously impressed with his stuff, his potential, and with his poise (he’s actually younger than Lincecum). I heard on the SF sports talk station (which I can’t produce or explain or back up) that Cain was statistically the unluckiest pitcher in 40+ years, maybe even more than that. I’m guessing that by that they meant some combination of poor run support, blown saves, unearned runs, etc. He pitched very well all of last year for a sad, sad team.

    As for Lincecum, he came up partly out of desperation and showed flashes of real brilliance. He also got beat up several times, just like every fresh prospect (un, not counting Jaba of course) does. I don’t think you can extrapolate anything either way from his 2006 performance. If the Giants trade him, it will really be a panic move (unless they get a lot back), but they just don’t have any bats at all right now. They still have an amazing ballpark, but that won’t mean much on a foggy Tuesday night in July with the Nationals in town. It’s going to be a bleak season by the Bay. As an SF resident, I hope they keep Lincecum, because I don’t see a realistic way the Yanks get him. Now would he be the answer to the 2008 needs.

    New to this thread:

    The SF Bay Area does have a vast ASIAN population, yes, but I don’t think the not-as-vast JAPANESE population will make a huge difference in my Tuesday-vs-Nationals example. And Matsui would have no protection in the Giants’ lineup, I think his numbers would fall off a lot here even with no drop-off in actual talent. Of course the Giants do have a recent history of liking left fielders with diminishing fielding skills and suspect knees.

  45. Uwe Blab December 6th, 2007 at 2:28 pm

    Lowry? Peter, please stop suggesting trades.

  46. Vito December 6th, 2007 at 2:29 pm

    1. Matsui and maybe others to Giants for pitching depth

    2. Deal with Twins for Santana with Melky and some pitchers not named Hughes – maybe Giants arms? going to Twins

    3. Matsui’s 13 million a year salary freed up to get Rowand for CF

    add: Santana, Rowand
    subtract: Melky, Matsui, some arms not named Hughes

    hey, you never know…

  47. Blargh December 6th, 2007 at 2:30 pm

    If you’re gonna give away a source of millions in marketing, then you better get something back; not spare parts

  48. Jake December 6th, 2007 at 2:30 pm

    First of all, trading Matsui for Lowry would be ridiculous. Why would we want Noah Lowry? He is not an upgrade in our rotation in any way. the only thing he’d provide is innings and since we have 6 starters, i don’t see that as an issue.

    Dave Roberts? My god.

    I’m sorry, but Matsui hasn’t done jack $hit for the Yankees the past two years. In terms of power hitters, that is hte least of our concern, especially from the left side.

    In terms of “dishonoring” Matsui, baseball is a business and if Matsui feels “dishonored,” he needs to grow a sack. SF would be a fine place for him.

    You all seem to forget that in a trade that ISN’T for Johan Santana, we don’t have to pay $150 million on top of giving up prospects, so giving up three guys for Cain isn’t that big of a deal for me. Its like going after Haren but at a lesser price in prospects.

  49. Jake December 6th, 2007 at 2:31 pm

    Having said that, I like Matsui as much as the next guy, he is a stand up player, works hard, and of Japanese appeal. This makes him good trade bait.

    Do the Yankees really need the marketing appeal? Are they so dependent on that? Doubt it. They’re the Yankees.

  50. yankee21 December 6th, 2007 at 2:31 pm

    Vito,,, plausible exc for Rowand, I really think the Yankees will shy away from him because of # years he’s asking.

  51. Brian December 6th, 2007 at 2:31 pm

    Lowry and Aurilia are just pieces, not worth it. If Lowry was any good, Yanks would have traded Melky for him last year when they were desperate for pitching (according to Gammons, they turned down that offer).

    What about Matsui and Kennedy for Lincecum?

    Lincecum would move to the ‘pen for a year where Joba was. Some baseball people (like Keith Law) think Lincecum’s future is as a shutdown closer.

  52. me December 6th, 2007 at 2:32 pm

    BARRY ZITO! BARRY ZITO!

  53. Mister Delaware December 6th, 2007 at 2:32 pm

    I’m not concerned that Kennedy could be a consistently decent, 105 ERA+ pitcher while the other two flame out at this point. All about the upside.

    (Also, I said “at this point” twice in two sentences before. That’s a demerit for me.)

  54. Vito December 6th, 2007 at 2:32 pm

    Yanks21,

    I think Rowand will come down to 3 years since ANdruw Jones kind of set the market

  55. me December 6th, 2007 at 2:32 pm

    Would the Giants be willing to pay the expense of Matsui’s travelling collection of pornography? I am not making this up – google it.

  56. Mauro December 6th, 2007 at 2:33 pm

    the only way Giambi and Damon are going to be worthwhile next year is if their egos get enough playing time. Taking Matsui out of the mix gives them that scenerio. I say trade him… but play the market a little. Now that the word is out that he’s expendable maybe other teams will chime in

  57. VOIII December 6th, 2007 at 2:33 pm

    Soft tossing lefties have always done pretty well in Yankee Stadium.
    Jimmy Key
    Tommy John
    Whitey Ford
    I know it’s a different era but when you have pitchers with different looks and different speeds pitching in the same series it helps throw the opponent of balance and messes with their timing.

  58. Mister Delaware December 6th, 2007 at 2:34 pm

    “Would the Giants be willing to pay the expense of Matsui’s travelling collection of pornography? I am not making this up – google it.”

    What makes it even funnier is I think its a Time magazine article.

  59. Dr. Cox December 6th, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    If there is a god up in heaven, please let this Matsui trade go down.

    Please God. Please Jesus. Please Muhammad. Please Vishnu. Please Buhdda. Please L. Ron Hubbard.

  60. gayle December 6th, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    If Rowand doescome down in years i think there will be a MUCH bigger market for him.From everything I have read and heard the main issue with him is the years he is asking and teams not wanting to give him all that money for 5 years, especially coming of a career year in the band box known as Citizens Bank. I dont think anyone can say he is not a really good outfielder defensively but offense??

  61. nate c. December 6th, 2007 at 2:36 pm

    Nick in SF -

    Very good analysis of the Matsui to SF idea.

    I live in the bay area as well and agree with pretty much everything you said.

  62. whozat December 6th, 2007 at 2:36 pm

    I can’t seriously believe that people are talking about trading a guy who always puts up an OPS of .850 or better, drives in 100 runs and can still play the field for ONE relief pitcher. With a WHIP of 1.6 or so in the majors. He’s got great minor league numbers, sure. But Matsui is a legitimate bat. He had an off year last season, and still hit 25 homers. Malcontent bums who don’t hit as well are getting paid as much or more than him right now (Guillen).

    Matsui is a darn good trade chip. It’s ridiculous to think he’s worth nothing but some spare parts.

  63. CB December 6th, 2007 at 2:36 pm

    Why would SF ever trade Matt Cain? Or Lincecum?

    Matsui, no matsui – either way they are going to stink. They are going to be a terrible team for years.

    Brian Sabean and McGowan finally admitted this year they need to rebuild.

    They’ve done a very good job in the past two drafts and even in the international signings market.

    They waited on Cain to develop for 4 years. Now they are going to give him up for Matsui?

    The Yanks trade Hughes and the sky is falling but Cain for Matsui and a some minor leaguers is fine?

  64. Jack H. December 6th, 2007 at 2:37 pm

    No way on Lowry, unless he’s then flipped to another team who wants him as part of a bigger deal.

    I think the only way that this makes sense for the Yankees is to target Cain or Linceum. That would require Matsui and…what? Kennedy? Horne? More? Less?

    Matsui is still a clutch, dangerous bat. He kills the Red Sox. I feel no need to give him away, so let’s see what they can give us that we actually need. Do we trade him for the remaining pieces the Twins need for Santana??

  65. Mister Delaware December 6th, 2007 at 2:37 pm

    Sanchez is hardly a spare part. Check the K/9, babe.

  66. hmmm December 6th, 2007 at 2:37 pm

    “SJ I know Tejada is down but adam everett is terrible”

    everett is a terrible hitter, but his glove is so awesome that he is not a bad player.

  67. Jake December 6th, 2007 at 2:37 pm

    nate c.,

    Thank you. Matsui would do great in SF as it relates to any adjustments.

    Its just about making it worthwhile from the Yankees’s perspective. Any legit bat the Giants get makes it legit for them.

  68. Jeff Z December 6th, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    Personally, I think Noah Lowry would get ripped apart in the American League, but what do I know? In my mind, the move makes more sense if Melky Cabrera is on his way to Minnesota, and the Yanks are looking for a replacement such as Randy Winn or Dave Roberts. Johnny Damon’s eroding defensive skills proved a major stumbling point for the Bombers in the early months of the ‘07 season, and they can’t be anxious to throw him back in that role for 2008.

  69. saw boggs strike out the side December 6th, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    if they make this deal it means they have no confidence at all in igawa or mussina
    they’re gonna trade 90 ribbies for a #3 or 4 when they have 8 starters available?
    not against using mastui to bring a set up man or some r/h power, but i wouldnt make this trade

  70. Dr. Cox December 6th, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    Oh Im getting excited!@

  71. Nud December 6th, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    Who was bashing Hughes?? Just saying Lincecum has as much value as of right now if not more, then Phil Hughes. They are both going to be great. Only reason Lincecum gets a bit of a bump right now is that he pitched 146 innings on the ML level and has done very well. Struck out 150, only allowed 122 hits and 12 HR. His downside right now is walks but he has great, great stuff. Hughes and Lincecum are pretty much a wash right now, Hughes just needs a full season under his belt

  72. CB December 6th, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    Sanchez is not enough for Matsui.

    I don’t see the other players you’d include with Sanchez. Their talent is at the lower minors.

  73. Nettles vs. Lee December 6th, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    Good God NO do not trade Matsui for Noah frickin Lowry or any of the other garbage players on the Giants (excluding Cain and Lincecum). Matsui has a lot more value for the Yankees than any garbage pitchers they could get from the Giants.

    Sanchez is a lefty Kyle Farnsworth. He throws hard and has no idea how to pitch, gets hit hard or walks a ton of guys. No thanks.

  74. ET2012 December 6th, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    If the Yanks trade Matsui to SF, they should focus on LINCECUM, ans sweeten the pot with other players to make this happen. I will tell you why…

    The Yanks do not want Lincecum for a SP, (they do not need another starter, they have plenty) but are looking to groom him to be their closer when Mariano retires in 3 yrs.
    For now, he could Rivera’s set-up man.

    SF needs some bat power right? Well the Yanks have plenty of that. I say give them Giambi, Matsui, Horne, Bruney and Britton for Lincecum and Cain, with the Yanks throwing some money in there to sweeten the pot.

    Matsui would end-up in a place he would fit nicely, Giambi would get to go back to his stomping grounds.

    If these guys waive their No Trade, this could do it.

  75. Vito December 6th, 2007 at 2:40 pm

    Only reason I put that Rowand scenario out there is that I can’t see why else the Yanks would do this. Giants pitching is not great and no way they are giving up Cain or Linecum for Matsui. Seems like Matsui would be a semi salary dump to make another deal or two possible and free up a logjam in the OF/1B/DH spots. If Rowand is swapped out for Matsui you would get a right handed bat to even the lineup a bit, a big upgrade in defense, and probably 3/4 of Matsui’s production (15 HR 75 RBI?) for the same money.

  76. hmmm December 6th, 2007 at 2:41 pm

    “If we can somehow turn Matsui in Jonathan Sanchez, that would be a HUGE win – he’s a 25-year-old lefty with great lefty-righty splits who brings heat.

    SF would be incredibly stupid to trade Sanchez. We’d have to send some serious talent back – Marquez and Horne?”

    holy crap.

    Marquez, Horne, and Matsui for a RELIEVER???

    a reliever who has a 5.48 career ERA in the NATIONAL LEAGUE?

    what am i missing here?

  77. Brad December 6th, 2007 at 2:42 pm

    They are probably talking about LHRP Jonathan Sanchez. He makes the most sense for the Yankees, and could probably be had.

  78. Jake December 6th, 2007 at 2:42 pm

    CB,

    What would be the point of trading Matsui unless we are getting something useful in return.

    Everyone knows the Giants are at least listening on Cain and Lincecum…so obviously they are entertaining the idea. Its not going to be Matsui for Cain and Sabaen will want a fair return.

    Its definitely something that could benefit both sides if it is a fair trade, which it could be.

  79. hmmm December 6th, 2007 at 2:43 pm

    “SF needs some bat power right? Well the Yanks have plenty of that. I say give them Giambi, Matsui, Horne, Bruney and Britton for Lincecum and Cain, with the Yanks throwing some money in there to sweeten the pot.”

    wow. please stop.

    please?

  80. Joey Vegas December 6th, 2007 at 2:43 pm

    if money really was the deciding factor in halting the Santana talks, would moving Matsui create enough room to do the Hughes, Melky, Marquez, Dellicoss deal?

    Or maybe the Yanks are trying to make a 3-team deal out of it – spin Lowry or prospects over to Minn? Giants had been mentioned for re-acquiring Nathan, maybe he gets in the mix?

  81. #9 December 6th, 2007 at 2:43 pm

    “Heard from the Dodgers that Joe Torre has knee replacement surgery yesterday. It must have been all those trips to bring Scott Proctor into the game.”

    He’ll need a good knee. something tells me he’ll be making a lot of walks to the mound for next couple of years.

  82. G. Love December 6th, 2007 at 2:44 pm

    I also had a shudder of a thought that this could potentially be a Zito/Matsui trade.

    The Yankees dump Matsui’s 26 million on the Giants and pick up the tab for the rest of the awful Zito SF deal.

    I really hope that doesn’t happen though. I have to believe the Yankees wouldn’t do it.

    That said, the Giants have absolutely zero need for Zito. They are the epitome of a rebuilding club. They have no positional talent on the team at all.

    Seriously, look at their team. They are barren. They don’t even have one impact player on the major league team right now.

    All they have is pitching and not a ton of it, I might add.

    They’re in the position to trade nothing since all they will be doing is creating more holes with any deal they make.

    What a mess that team is.

  83. whozat December 6th, 2007 at 2:44 pm

    “Sanchez is a lefty Kyle Farnsworth. He throws hard and has no idea how to pitch, gets hit hard or walks a ton of guys. No thanks.”

    BINGO.

    Maybe he’s no Kyle (who I think was sporting a 1:1 K:BB ratio for a while), but he’s a lefty version of Bruney and Veras etc etc. Get guys who throw strikes. We don’t need any more guys who don’t know where the ball is going.

  84. Dan December 6th, 2007 at 2:44 pm

    Matsui and Kennedy (and someone else if necessary) for Cain!

    Make it happen Cashmannn

  85. Jake December 6th, 2007 at 2:45 pm

    ET2012,

    You’re joking right?

    I get the concept of trading for Lincecum or Cain, but both? Sabaen might be the worst GM in baseball, but he isn’t Steve Phillips.

    That is an awful trade for SF.

  86. yanks December 6th, 2007 at 2:45 pm

    #9 December 6th, 2007 at 2:43 pm

    “Heard from the Dodgers that Joe Torre has knee replacement surgery yesterday. It must have been all those trips to bring Scott Proctor into the game.”

    He’ll need a good knee. something tells me he’ll be making a lot of walks to the mound for next couple of years.

    AGREED!.. and So will the Yanks Current Manager!

  87. Nettles vs. Lee December 6th, 2007 at 2:45 pm

    Take a look at Sanchez’s numbers. They are bad. He’s not that young anymore. Do we really want a lefty version of Farnsworth in the bullpen next year who is actually worse than Farnsworth?

  88. Mister Delaware December 6th, 2007 at 2:45 pm

    Yanks would have to listen on Zito if San Fran knocked his deal down to $12-$14MM per year or so, wouldn’t they?

  89. Mike R. December 6th, 2007 at 2:45 pm

    “Please L Ron Hubbard.” LMAO

  90. Doreen December 6th, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    What really stinks is the one who needs to go is Giambi and he’s not going anywhere for various reasons. I like Matsui and I’d hate to see him go, unless the deal is then spun to get Santana somehow.

    I have enjoyed perusing the Great Grammar/Spelling Debate. My quick two cents: the faster I want to get my thoughts down, the more likely I am to make typos and mis-use words like they’re/there/their. It’s as if my fingers go where they are most used to going (for example, I certainly type there more than they’re).

    What gets me most is the misuse of common phrases like, “I could care less” instead of the correct “I COULDN’T care less.”

    It always cracked me up in classes when kids would ask me if spelling counted. To me it does and always will, which is why I tend to have a really difficult time IM-ing and texting, because it’s very difficult for me to not type out an entire word. But I do love emoticons! :D

  91. CB December 6th, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    “what am i missing here?”

    Sanchez’ awful WHIP of 1.6 and his 5 walks/ 9 innings.

  92. Jake December 6th, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    G Love,

    The Yankees are not trading for Barry Zito.

  93. Mister Delaware December 6th, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    Just 25 isn’t young anymore?

  94. Nick in SF December 6th, 2007 at 2:47 pm

    Thanks nate c. Typo correction, I meant to say, re: Lincecum, “NOR would be the the answer to [the Yanks'] 2008 needs.” Not that he wouldn’t be a great pickup.

    I should also say that a bad attendance night at AT&T Park will still beat most nights at the old Candlestick.

    I have no idea what the Giants are actually thinking or will do, this is, after all, the team that brought in Armondo Benitez as its closer just a couple years ago. Not to mention other ridiculous signings (see: Dave Roberts). It’s a whole new world here post-Barry/post-755/post All-Star-Game. At least the Giants have a dynamic young manager who promises to inject energy into the lineup every night…. oh wait.

  95. Vito December 6th, 2007 at 2:47 pm

    What puzzles me is why are the Giants even thinking about this? They are old and the farm system is bare. They need a youth movement desperately and have a bloated payroll because of the Zito salary plus other over the hill vets. So why would they add a 34 year old OFer with a bad knee for 13 million a year? This makes no sense on the surface unless the Giants are just doing their usual stupid patch job to try to appear to be actually fielding a competitive team. If the are continuing their “Orioles of the NL” approach then adding Matsui makes sense in that context.

  96. yanks December 6th, 2007 at 2:47 pm

    matsui and kennedy for cain?

    so that means domon in left? or damon DH’s?

    hmm.. hard to figure why the yanks would trade away a .300 hitter for a young pitcher..

    dont the yankees have enough young pitching? now they want to trade away matsui/kennedy for cain?

    wonder when hank will say the deadline is for this trade

  97. RosterRooster December 6th, 2007 at 2:47 pm

    I could care less about emoticons.

  98. whozat December 6th, 2007 at 2:48 pm

    “if money really was the deciding factor in halting the Santana talks”

    It wasn’t. It was how Cash convinced Hank not to force him to trade Hughes, who Cash believes is the real deal. So do I, frankly.

    People are saying Lincecum is just as valuable as Hughes…that he “just needs to stop walking people” and he’s an ace. History is replete with guys like that who bust. Hughes DOES NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM. Maybe his “stuff” is a bit lesser than a guy like Lincecum, but he knows where the ball is going. That, in addition to his incredible mound presence, makes me think that Phil is a much more projectable guy. Also, Phil’s body seems more up to the challenge of pitching 200 innings year in and year out.

  99. CB December 6th, 2007 at 2:48 pm

    “Its definitely something that could benefit both sides if it is a fair trade, which it could be.”

    I have yet to hear anything remotely “fair.”

    They listened and said no for Alex Rios. The Jays initiated those talks not the giants.

  100. Doreen December 6th, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    RosterRooster -

    :lol:

  101. hmmm December 6th, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    “Yanks would have to listen on Zito if San Fran knocked his deal down to $12-$14MM per year or so, wouldn’t they?”

    i think they’d still pass. the contract is just too long.

  102. Mike December 6th, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    Personally, I think Hideki is very expandable. The Yankees already have a log jam of “DH” type position players. Every time a ball is hit to him, I shudder.

  103. Jax December 6th, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    Pettitte,Wang,Joba,Kennedy,Lincecum,Hughes……………..I wouldn’t mind.

  104. Jake December 6th, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    Yanks,

    Pitching is extremely valuable right now.

    The production the Yankees get from Matsui (not so much in the past two years) is expendable.

    Our lineup is ridden with left-handed hitters.

    Yes, you keep Damon in left, Melky in CF, and Abreu in right and DH Giambi primarily.

    This is all probably just chatter, but we’ll see.

  105. Big Stein December 6th, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    I like Matsui, I would hate to see him go, but we do have an outfield surplus and Cash seems more focused on the future than the present which I love. I think that the Yankees could get Jonathan Sanchez, and a couple of low minor leaguers, they have some really good ones.

  106. Blargh December 6th, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    I don’t think that ‘expandable’ was the word that you wanted to use there

  107. CB December 6th, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    “Sanchez is a lefty Kyle Farnsworth. He throws hard and has no idea how to pitch, gets hit hard or walks a ton of guys. No thanks.”

    BINGO.

    Sanchez – WHIP 1.6; BB/9 – 5

    Farnsworth – WHIP 1.45; BB/9 – 4

    Jonathan Sanchez is no Kyle Farnsworth.

  108. migames December 6th, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    matsui, jeter, giambi, cano, arod, melky, abreu and posada for omar vizquel. Omar has a glove that I envy

  109. Jane December 6th, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    Wondering if anyone was tuned in to ESPN 1050 a few minutes ago, and someone (Marchand, I think) mentioned something about Pavano and the Yanks trying to sign him to a minor league contract. I don’t know if I heard it right. Doesn’t really make much sense. Pete?

  110. hmmm December 6th, 2007 at 2:52 pm

    “I don’t think that ‘expandable’ was the word that you wanted to use there”

    he was talking about Britton

  111. SAndMan December 6th, 2007 at 2:52 pm

    You can never have enough pitching.I like Matsui but we don’t need any more 30 year old outfielders.

  112. Andrew December 6th, 2007 at 2:52 pm

    Jonathan Sanchez has been awful. He has little value right now. Everyone would be absolutely, positively insane to trade for him.

  113. Mister Delaware December 6th, 2007 at 2:52 pm

    “i think they’d still pass. the contract is just too long.”

    I think I agree. But it certainly would be an interesting way to pick up 200 league average IPs per season.

  114. ET2012 December 6th, 2007 at 2:53 pm

    Jake,

    My proposal is more creative than all the ridiculous proposals that I have been reading on this blog… Ha!!

    Bottom line, if this trade of Matsui going to SF happens, it better be for a good pitcher, either Cain or Lincecum, not for all of these other pitchers who can’t pitch in the NL, let alone the AL East. THEY WOULD BE DEVOURED!

  115. Jay December 6th, 2007 at 2:53 pm

    The Blue Jays are talking to the Giants about Lincecum for Rios. So obviously the Yankees should be talking about Lincecum, too. You trade Matsui plus a prospect plus cash and see if that gets it done. It’s certainly worth a try. Lincecum at worst is a future closer. At best he’s a strikeout starter to put behind Joba and Hughes. He could also be shipped off to the Twins for Johan (you wouldn’t have to give up Hughes in that scenario). Getting Lincecum — even if it meant giving up Tabata or Horne as well — would be a great move for the Yanks and give them incredible flexibility.

  116. Blargh December 6th, 2007 at 2:53 pm

    hmmm: Touché

  117. Mister Delaware December 6th, 2007 at 2:54 pm

    Andrew (and everyone else like Andrew): You know when looking at young guys like Sanchez you don’t just look at what they have done, you look at what they could do, right? In time, Sanchez has the stuff to be a very nice pitcher who happens to throw with the better arm. Perhaps he doesn’t make sense at this point, but almost every team would love him.

  118. Mister Delaware December 6th, 2007 at 2:55 pm

    PETERLIKESBURGERS_ALOT: Your name doesn’t annoy me. At all.

  119. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 6th, 2007 at 2:55 pm

    I think the most reasonable haul for Matsui would be

    Noah Lowry
    Jonathon Sanchez
    Brad Hennessey

    & if he’s in it fine, if not don’t really care but Fred Lewis

    Hank did say Cash is working on getting MRP this could be the haul while getting a young COF as a throwin

  120. Nick in SF December 6th, 2007 at 2:56 pm

    I really love the suggested trade that will send Cain AND Lincecum to the Yanks. I think the Giants will also include their ballpark if we give them Melky….

    Regarding Giambi…. a guy who can’t stay healthy enough to DH for a whole season to the National League? Yeah. Makes sense.

  121. Andrew December 6th, 2007 at 2:56 pm

    You do look at what they’ve done, though. And what Sanchez has done for the past two seasons, even in the bullpen where good pitchers should post BETTER numbers, is nothing short of horrendous. Sanchez sucks, and 5 of him is not worth what Matsui is worth to the Yankees.

  122. CB December 6th, 2007 at 2:56 pm

    “Andrew (and everyone else like Andrew): You know when looking at young guys like Sanchez you don’t just look at what they have done, you look at what they could do, right?”

    Not if you need bull pen help now. You don’t trade a high OPS outfielder for a hard throwing 25 year old project who doesn’t have the command to be in the major leagues and would probably wind up in Scranton.

    The only reason Sanchez is in the majors right no instead of the minors is because the Giants are awful.

  123. migames December 6th, 2007 at 2:56 pm

    my omar vizquel thing was a joke, but i just looked at his stats, he is a better hitter than ozzie smith and has only gone to the All Star game 3 times…thats what happens when nomar/jeter/arod play your same position. Regardless, very off topic but omar should be in the HOF

  124. gianthinker December 6th, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    If Lincecum and Cain have both been rumored to be put up for Rios then we could definitely get one of them for Matsui.

  125. Nettles vs. Lee December 6th, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    Almost every team already has players like Sanchez in their system – guys who throw hard and cannot pitch. He is a project at best.

  126. Ed in SF December 6th, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    CB – Jonathan Sanchez is 25 years old. What’s Farnsworth’s excuse?

  127. Mike R. December 6th, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    Jane
    December 6th, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    Wondering if anyone was tuned in to ESPN 1050 a few minutes ago, and someone (Marchand, I think) mentioned something about Pavano and the Yanks trying to sign him to a minor league contract. I don’t know if I heard it right. Doesn’t really make much sense. Pete?

    The reasoning behind it is that Pavano would not need to be on the 40 man roster, but the Yankees can still collect the insurance on his contract. If they cut him that is lost money.

  128. Mister Delaware December 6th, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    Andrew: You keep relying only on track record for pitchers who just turned 24 and I’m sure you’ll be just fine. Offers flooding in any day now.

  129. Mister Delaware December 6th, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    (just turned 25)

  130. Drew December 6th, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    Andy McPhail said he’s not close to trading Tejada to anyone. Believe who you want.

  131. tim c. December 6th, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    Does anybody think this could be part of a bigger trade. Cain and Lincecum could be pitchers minny wants. Throw in Kennedy and Melky and you could have Santana.

  132. Jane December 6th, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    Thanks, Mike R. Carry-on.

  133. giambi's sweat stain December 6th, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    Doreen —

    some others that infuriate me:

    “random applause”
    “should of”
    “mine as well”

  134. Yanksrule57 December 6th, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    This potential deal does not surprise me.

    Recently there was an interview with Damon who met with Girardi in (Orlando?) Anyway, when asked how it went, he said Girardi told him he was starting in left field and would occasionally DH. My thought at the time was, what about Matsui? Was his knee that bad? Was he now relegated to DH only?
    I hope the Yankees make the Giants pay big for him because I think he has a couple of good years left. He has been a very valuable player, a good team mate and well worth what he is paid.

  135. bkight December 6th, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    Trade Matsui and Giambi($52M/2 yrs) for Zito($100m/6yrs).

    We get a another SP and a lefty and get younger and more flexible. Damon plays LF. 1b and DH are easy to fill imo.

    I could live with Joba in the pen for a couple seasons, he is only 22.

  136. Dr. Cox December 6th, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    I am the only one who is ecstatic about the possibility of Matsui leaving???

  137. CB December 6th, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    “CB – Jonathan Sanchez is 25 years old. What’s Farnsworth’s excuse?”

    My point is that they both have no control whatsoever.

    Think about it – how much does everyone hate Farnsworth and the way he walks people for now reason?

    How would yankee fans like watching someone who has worse control than Farns?

    And people want to trade Matsui for him?

    Sure if he didn’t cost matsui I’d much rather have him than Farns – but I’d send him to scranton to see if he can figure things out.

  138. GreenBeret7 December 6th, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    Vizquel doesn’t belong in the HOF and neither does Ozzie Smith and about 20 others.

  139. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 6th, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    are you kidding me Zito is done !!! NO THANKS !

  140. Mister Delaware December 6th, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    I actually wasn’t complaining about the ALOT vs. A_LOT, just really enjoyed the name.

  141. Yanks23 December 6th, 2007 at 3:01 pm

    Living in the Bay Area I’ve seen Lowry pitch many times and he’s not a good fit for the Yankees. Last year he had a WHIP of 1.55 in the light hitting NL west. His best pitch is the change-up however he has command issues with his fastball (misses up in the zone).
    I’d wouldn’t mind packaging Matsui & Kennedy for Matt Cain.

  142. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 6th, 2007 at 3:01 pm

    I am the only one who is ecstatic about the possibility of Matsui leaving???

    count me in as well :)

  143. Edgar December 6th, 2007 at 3:01 pm

    Ranger Rob, are you serious? Why on earth would the Giants do that?

  144. Nettles vs. Lee December 6th, 2007 at 3:02 pm

    The Yankees are not getting Cain or Lincecum. Just stop it. Those two are the only good players SF has left. They are young stud pitchers with a ton of upside, are cheap, and have already proven they can pitch in the majors. The Giants would be stupid to trade either one unless they were blown away by the deal.

  145. CB December 6th, 2007 at 3:02 pm

    Mike R,

    That is actually good news on Pavano. That’s a creative solution to a waste of a roster spot.

    Watch carl screw this up too.

  146. Jax December 6th, 2007 at 3:02 pm

    LOL Zito against the AL East? Pass!

  147. ghlu December 6th, 2007 at 3:02 pm

    why get Lowry when we already have Igawa? Unless we bring more in return I’d say we keep Matusi.

  148. Big Stein December 6th, 2007 at 3:03 pm

    Sanchez kills lefties, and he is younger than Damaso Marte. Whoever said you have to look at what they can do is correct. Sanchez has power stuff and is a LEFTY who can get out lefties, .220 career batting average against him, not to mention his walks are alot lower to lefties than to righties. I think he could be easily attainable because he was not good last year. Dave Eiland has worked wonders with our minor leaguers, I’m sure he could find away to use Sanchez’s talent.

  149. Blargh December 6th, 2007 at 3:04 pm

    New post from the Pete, this time about free stuff from trade shows

  150. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 6th, 2007 at 3:05 pm

    Can You guys keep it down, I am trying to watch M*A*S*Hblockquote>

    SHUT UP AND STAY IN YOUR BUBBLE :evil:

  151. hmmm December 6th, 2007 at 3:05 pm

    “If Lincecum and Cain have both been rumored to be put up for Rios then we could definitely get one of them for Matsui.”

    come on, it would be one or the other. not both.

  152. hmmm December 6th, 2007 at 3:07 pm

    “Dave Eiland has worked wonders with our minor leaguers, I’m sure he could find away to use Sanchez’s talent.”

    sure, the Yankees would take him. but they aren’t going to trade Matsui for him.

  153. phillips December 6th, 2007 at 3:07 pm

    I on the other hand, am not that excited about Matsui leaving, I say a deal must start with Cain or Lincecum, however, other yankees players can be involved in the deal it is not limited to Matsui.

  154. Nettles vs. Lee December 6th, 2007 at 3:08 pm

    Jonathan Sanchez is the next Felix Heredia.

  155. hmmm December 6th, 2007 at 3:08 pm

    “I am the only one who is ecstatic about the possibility of Matsui leaving???”

    yes.

    if they could improve the team, i’d have no problem trading him.

    but you seem to want to trade him just to get rid of him. i doubt anyone here agrees with that.

  156. CB December 6th, 2007 at 3:08 pm

    Matsui had the second highest OPS for a left fielder in the AMerican League Last year.

    Think about that – in an off season in which he played on a bad knee only Manny had a higher OPS than any left fielder other than an all time great.

    Why do people always think the answer is to get rid of people especially after a down year when you’re selling low.

  157. Nettles vs. Lee December 6th, 2007 at 3:10 pm

    Guess what Heredia’s career BAA was against lefties? .221.

  158. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 6th, 2007 at 3:11 pm

    CB I get what your saying but he stinks in the OF, he’s pulling off balls now and that’s just a habit, he takes bad routes in LF I mean com’on you know you need to trade him before he turns into Giambi

  159. Vinny 5743 December 6th, 2007 at 3:11 pm

    There is no benefit in moving Matsui to the NL for Matsui.

    He would veto a trade since he has a full no trade clause in his contract. He will benefit going to an AL team where he can be at the very least a quality DH.

    He is only 33 years old and he can still play the game. It will only help him that his knee has been repaired. It was only a cleaning the inside of his knee, not anything major or re-constructive surgery.

    I don’t see this happening and will be very surprised if it did.

  160. Ralph December 6th, 2007 at 3:14 pm

    Where is the stats in the postseason the past four years saying Matsui was clutch????

    Where’s his power in Oct? He left about 20 men on the Anahei series alone in 05!!

  161. hmmm December 6th, 2007 at 3:14 pm

    “Trade Matsui and Giambi($52M/2 yrs) for Zito($100m/6yrs).

    We get a another SP and a lefty and get younger and more flexible. Damon plays LF. 1b and DH are easy to fill imo.”

    acquiring Zito’s contract is the exact opposite of getting more “flexible”.

  162. Chris NY December 6th, 2007 at 3:15 pm

    Why exactly would Matsui, an aging veteran with a no-trade clause, want to waive it to go to….. San Fran???

    Why exactly would he want to finish his career on a bad team when he can stay here?

    Like SJ said, just because he said he’d waive it “if asked,” doesn’t mean he’d waive it if asked to go to a terrible team.

  163. CB December 6th, 2007 at 3:16 pm

    Brandon,

    He’s not a great defensive player. But what left fielders besides Carl Crawford and Matt Holliday are good defensive players and can hit?

    There are very, very few. Left field is not a high profile position. Its generally where you put your worst fielder.

    And a lot of the reason he was so bad last year was his knees. He’ll be better after the arthroscopic surgery.

    You can’t just throw away productive players. They are reallly not easy to find.

    And at his offensive production his contract is actually a good one.

  164. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 6th, 2007 at 3:16 pm

    Carl Pavano
    December 6th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
    That “Bubble” comment was uncalled for, everyone knows I am allergic to plastic (as well as other things) I just broke my finger typing this >:(

    and you couldn’t even have the decency to break it before signing in the morning !!!

  165. Ralph December 6th, 2007 at 3:16 pm

    Please look up Matsui’s 05, 06 & 07 October Numbers and post them here…what’s his SLG%??
    The stats are horrible! He has value left so I would move him absolutely..but only for a deccent player because he is consistent from April to September…

  166. Chris NY December 6th, 2007 at 3:17 pm

    what I mean to reference is what SJ said in another thread about “saying” he’d waive his no-trade and actually “doing” it being two different things…

  167. The Bronx Stop December 6th, 2007 at 3:17 pm

    Hahaha its even fun to laugh at people who pretend to be Carl Pavano…..

  168. Paulie December 6th, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    I’m sensing a Matsui and Betemit pacakge – Giants are in need of a 3b badly.

  169. Drive 4-5 December 6th, 2007 at 3:21 pm

    I hope all those on this blog that bashed “the highest paid manager in baseball” for not attending the Winter Meetings are deservedly embarrassed now.

  170. Big V December 6th, 2007 at 3:26 pm

    This trade would be a no-brainer for the Yanks. Matsui for AA or A advanced position players makes the most sense.

    Matsui won’t be able to play the field consistently next year – his legs are going fast. NOW is the time to trade him for if anything to reduce salary. Otherwise there is a very good chance we end up with a 2008 version of Giambi. A declining inconsistent power hitter with no position.

    Besides they already signed Posada, and ARod how much power does this team need.

    Additionally, this could be an excellent time to bring up our little speedster centerfielder(Brett Gardener) from AAA and perhaps rotate him in the outfield mix – ala Cabrera. Just a thought. And on Cabrera I can definitely see this guy growing into a 20 HR a year guy and hit better than 300. I tell you people forget how young this kid is. WE make every excuse for Eric Duncan being young but he can’t get -passed AA pitching.

    Finally – off topic I get this bad feeling in my stomach that Clippard was traded for someone that won’t make the roster in essence given away for free. He would have been good to package later in the year in 3 or 4 for one trade.

    BigV

  171. G. Love December 6th, 2007 at 3:27 pm

    Matsui and Giambi for Zito is just the kind of wonderful trade Isiah Thomas would make!

  172. G. Love December 6th, 2007 at 3:31 pm

    Actually, if the Yankees went Matsui, Betemit and a good minor leaguer (maybe even Igawa who NL scouts seem to think has value in the NL) for Liceneum (whatever the spelling is), that kind of beats straight up for Rios.

    I’m serious, look at the Giants. They have nobody. I think Bengie Molina is the cleanup hitter and Omar Vizquel is hitting 3rd as presently constituted.

    Matsui would be the face of their franchise!

  173. Mike in SF December 6th, 2007 at 3:32 pm

    If I’m Girardi, I get creative with the pitching makeup for 2008.

    5 man rotation

    Day 1- Wang, 6+ innings, Farnsworth one inning relief day
    Day 2- Pettitte, 6+ innings, Viz one inning day
    Day 3- Hughes and Joba split game, bullpen rest day
    Day 4- IPK with Farnsworth inning
    Day 5- Moose and Viz inning

    Karstens and Igawa are long men.

  174. Greg December 6th, 2007 at 3:33 pm

    Matsui, Kennedy, and Betemit for Cain. That might not be enough to get him, but I’d be willing to add a B prospect and eat some money if need be. Cain is a stud.

  175. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 6th, 2007 at 3:33 pm

    If I trade, I not make rice for team nomore, why you make talks to trade me? I no deserve this! I leave now

    :lol:

  176. sunny615 December 6th, 2007 at 3:35 pm

    funny one:

    Krasovic has a note on Andruw Jones. Apparently the only other concrete offer outside of the Dodgers was a two-year, $22MM one from the Royals.

    Go Royals.

  177. Mister Delaware December 6th, 2007 at 3:38 pm

    Doesn’t that sort of indicate that either Boras jumped too soon or Moore is awful at valuation? Even after a down year, Andruw is a better bet than Jose Guillen so I’m guessing that wouldn’t be the final K.C. offer.

  178. sunny615 December 6th, 2007 at 3:43 pm

    My guess is that Boras realized that’s the best deal he’s going to get for Jones and took it while it was still on the table. Too bad Bill Smith didn’t do the same.

  179. CBay December 6th, 2007 at 3:51 pm

    Matsui’s .280+ BA, 25-30 HR and 100-110 RBI have value, if hes a LF. As a DH, those numbers aren’t really that great. We have a guy in a contract year sitting on the bench who could produce like that.
    By trading him, we are essentially cutting 2yr/26 million from our payroll and picking up some good young players in return, and also opening up the DH spot to rest guys like Damon, Jeter, etc.

    I’d be interested in LHP Jonothan Sanchez- low 90′s FB, really good change-up- who probably needs more minor league time to develop his control/breaking ball.
    CF Fred Lewis-great athlete, could replace Melky if he is traded.
    and LHP Clayton Tanner- high ceiling, raw left handed starter.

  180. Mattpat11 December 6th, 2007 at 4:03 pm

    Matsui for Lowry and Aurilia would go down as one of the epically bad Yankee trades.

  181. Mariel December 6th, 2007 at 4:06 pm

    Don’t trade Matsui! : [

  182. Parson Brown December 6th, 2007 at 4:09 pm

    L. Ron Hubbard’s mother was Old Mother Hubbard. That said, Matsui is going nowhere.

  183. Farwell Joe December 6th, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    I don’t see the Yankees getting Cain or Lincecum unless its a big package of prospects. The Giants were even willing to trade one of them for the Jays’ Rios. Maybe the we can get Lowry/Sanchez/Correia/Hennessey for Matsui and them package some of them for Santana? Sanchez actually has potential upside considering he was ranked #59 overall prospect by Baseball America 2 years ago.

  184. Keith December 6th, 2007 at 4:15 pm

    With Matsui the centerpiece, add Farnswoth and Igawa for Cain and see if ‘Frisco bites.

  185. vince December 6th, 2007 at 4:16 pm

    If Matsui is the face of a franchise, that’s one rough face. I mean, we’re not talking Pitt, Clooney or even Ichiro.

  186. KirkRueter December 6th, 2007 at 4:17 pm

    hold on to young talent!…bad contracts and trades are the reason the Giants are at the bottom of the NL West. The upside of Cain, Lincecum, and Lowry far exceeds anything Matsui would ever do in a Giants uniform. Accardo, Liriano, Nathan…enough said

  187. Chris Serico December 6th, 2007 at 4:18 pm

    There is absolutely no one on the Giants I am interested in. Certainly not for Matsui.

    Where’s Howie Mandel? I want to scream “NO DEAL!” while slamming down a small lucite box that protects a shiny red button.

  188. joe December 6th, 2007 at 4:37 pm

    we can’t get rid of Matsui. He may have stumbled a bit at the end of the season last year but he still had good numbers at the end. he still had something like 25 homeruns and over 100 rbi’s. and don’t forget…this is the guy that hit 13 homeruns in july.

  189. Dan December 6th, 2007 at 4:40 pm

    “There is absolutely no one on the Giants I am interested in. Certainly not for Matsui.”

    If you wouldn’t be interested in Cain or Lincecum, then you’re really smart and should definitely be posting on baseball-related message boards.

  190. The Forum @ Hot Stove New York December 6th, 2007 at 4:48 pm

    Mike and the Mad Dog just discussed a hypothetical deal that would send Matsui and Shelly Duncan to the Giants in exchange for 27-year-old lefty starter Noah Lowry and 25-year-old lefty reliever Jonathan Sanchez.

    Dog, a Giants fan, was intrigued by the idea of adding significant pop to his anemic lineup, while Mike, a Yankees fan, thinks Matsui needs to be moved so that Damon can play full-time in left, and likes the idea of getting two young lefty arms in return. He’s not thrilled with the idea of giving up Duncan, but he doesn’t think he can play every day on the Yankees and is willing to pull the trigger.

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  191. kei igawa's sunglasses December 6th, 2007 at 4:59 pm

    Matsui and the Energizer bunny for Lowry and Sanchez. I’d pass.

    Lowry stinks IMO, he’ll be Chase Wright for the Yankees. Sanchez I love but a reliever isn’t worth Matsui. Matsui is one of the top offensive outfielders in baseball. Not TOP TOP but he’s up there. 2nd tier after the studs.

    Whose going to replace Matsui’s RBI’s? Whose going to protect A-Rod. Get real this trade is stupid.

  192. Jesse December 6th, 2007 at 5:08 pm

    Hey Yankee fans – As a Giants fan I’d be sad to see Lowry go.. however, we DO need some pop in our bats (don’t laugh, we can’t go out and buy everyone we want!) but I don’t think that Matsui is the one for us. He’s getting old, and we’re trying to get young here. If the Giants really want a Japanese player to attract more fans (HUGE population of Japanese here in Bay area) I’d be MUCH MUCH happier if the Giants signed Kusoke Fukudome from the Chunichi Dragons.. sigh… another bonehead move by Brian Sabean.

  193. Mark December 6th, 2007 at 5:34 pm

    I understand Hideke Matsui possibly being happy in San Francisco with the big Japanese population and relative nearness to Japan, BUT –

    Hideke’s a major RBI guy every year especially with men on, and now with his knee fixed he’ll be an even more reliable Mr. Clutch. Lowry is awful. If Matsui is traded, it better be for real quality — a GOOD reliever, or a GOOD starter. In other words, NOT Lowry.

  194. Jason December 6th, 2007 at 5:38 pm

    Assuming that Cain and Lincecum are included in a Matsui deal, where do they fit in the rotation? The Yanks have 6 starters already…

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  196. Eric December 6th, 2007 at 6:24 pm

    Ask anyone who owned Matsui in a fantasy league if this deal is idiotic. Matsui played good ball the second half of last season

  197. Hughes... December 6th, 2007 at 7:27 pm

    Unless Cain/Lincecum or a young 1B is coming the yankees’ way, they should stay put.

    Matsui + cash + prospects for Lincecum would be insane. Cashman should get an extension if he can pull that off.

  198. Master Wangkee December 6th, 2007 at 7:34 pm

    With the return of Arod/Posada/Abreu, the emergence of Cano’s pop, Shelly Duncan’s surprising slugging ability and the possible health of Giambi, I don’t think we’d feel the loss of Matsui. He’s earning 13 million to split time at DH and LF. He can’t field near as well as Damon which means he’s a 13 million dollar DH sharing most of his time with a 25 million dollar DH. That’s a waste.

    I would do the deal for Noah Lowery if the Yanks have a plan to spin him. I don’t think the Yankees would have a use for Lowery in our starting rotation but it’s not like Lowery’s unmoveable. Most teams need cheap starting pitchers. I know Lowery can’t hack it in the AL East but perhaps he’s viable in an NL rotation. It’s possible that an NL team likes Lowery and has something the Yankees need, like bullpen arms.

    Take the Pirates for instance. They need more innings from SP’s and have Marte. I’d love to spin Lowery for Marte and dump Matsui’s salary in the process. I think that makes us a better team.

  199. The mighty C's December 6th, 2007 at 8:06 pm

    Matsui is more beloved in Japan than even Ichiro. He is THE icon of Japanese baseball players in the States. All the revenues from signage in the Yanks outfield and behind home plate will be gone if Matsui is traded. Instead of the Yes network, the Japanese will also start licensing New England cable instead.
    The japanese pretty much pay for Matsui and a couple of players’ salaries on the team. Trading Matsui will be one of the biggest business mistakes by Cashman.

    Oh, Matsui’s also the best hitting OF the Yanks have on the team so far.

  200. Chris December 6th, 2007 at 9:18 pm

    I obviously couldn’t read every post on this page, but most of them seem to not offer the Giants enough in return. If we want Cain or Lincecum we’ll have to offer something a little more legit than a raw prospect with Matsui. How about Matsui and Kennedy for Cain? I’d do this, and maybe even throw in a guy like SS Alberto Gonzalez – Cain has big-time stuff.

  201. Jim December 6th, 2007 at 10:07 pm

    Could the Yanks be thinking of getting a good young arm for Matsui to then use to clinch the Santana deal?

  202. Mark December 6th, 2007 at 11:10 pm

    I believe the Yanks want to empty their crowded outfield in order to get either Lincecum or Cai. Of course it would cost more than just Matsui to make the deal happen, say a Horne and a raw talent prospect. The reason for this trade is to get a great pitching prospect in case one or more of the Big 3 are a bust. You can never have too much pitching talent, and a Lincecum or Cain would be a great deal for the Yanks.

  203. matt December 7th, 2007 at 12:35 am

    why is sanchez interesting? 5.88 era? .284 baa?

  204. Jared December 7th, 2007 at 12:48 am

    Please dump Chopsui..I love having Damon in left fielder. It makes our outfield have an incredibly different look than with Chopsui. Chopsui would be spending most of his time between DH and LF but already with Giambi there is too much salary sitting on the bench. If we could spin a deal such as Chopsui, Kennedy, and another prospect i think we could have a good shot at aquiring a Lincecum or Cain. Who by the way would look gorgeous in pinstripes

  205. Ludacris December 7th, 2007 at 12:57 am

    They need a third baseman and an outfielder. What do you guys think about Matsui, Betemit, Kennedy, Marquez for Lincecum and Sanchez?

  206. Hiyooodoin December 7th, 2007 at 2:33 am

    I agree somewhat with Master Wangkee. I keep reading on here that we have 6 starters on the Yanks but the reality is that there only 3 proven starters in Pettitte, Mussina, and Wang. After that you have 3 kids Joba, Hughes, Kennedy who for the most part are unproven over the length of a season.

    The biggest relief that the Yanks could have is that {ettitte was returning, that took pressue off of having to over sacrifice for Santana. Otherwise the Yankees would have had to sacrifice Hughes & Kennedy.

    Lowery would/could be a given a shot on the Yanks staff as insurance becuase 1) you can never have too much pitching 2) injuries are inevitable 3)Uncertainity of the 3 kids 4)Declining abilities of Mussina.

    Lowery isn’t great we all know that, but as a lefty if he pitched in Yankee Stadium only, that would take some pressure off of the kids. He could also, be like a Ramiro Mendoza type that could be llong relief.Best case scenario he goes 8-7 4.60 ERA pitching in the AL East.. that’s not too bad. This can help to minimize the dead arm phases of the kids during the late dog day summer heat.

  207. Hiyooodoin December 7th, 2007 at 2:46 am

    I went to a few games and witnessed the decline of Matsui’s fielding abilities and the liability that it posed. In contrast, I saw Damon out there and it was like night and day. Damon gets such a great read of the ball in CF, but in LF he does even better. He gets to probably 55% more balls for outs than does Matsui. This He has extremely limited range, and now with the knee surgery, he is sure to be even more limited.

    Yanks are fully aware of this, and are trying to get some value in return. A shrewd move if you ask me, his numbers will continue to decline as his best days are waaaay behind him, he is relegated to a fulltime DH. Already have one of those in Giambi & Duncan. We got rid of Andy Phillips and he had a damn good year last year on the field and at the plate.

    The Yanks second half resurgence was due mainly to Matsui (incredible July), Cano, Abreu & Melky waking up and realizing that Spring training was over 3 mo prior.. but it was the improved defense in LF as well. Melky could then play a ‘lil more shallow in CF, and knowing that speedy LF was Damon, he could veer over to RF more to help close the gap there. This can not be understated.

  208. rover December 7th, 2007 at 6:02 am

    ok, matsui is not the most mobile dude, got it. however if you have three ofs with the offensive numbers matsui has, then that outfield is called devastating. his knee was cleaned up not rebuilt, huge difference. my guess is he is a better player this year than last, and last though not up to norm was not all that bad. trade him if you will, but you better get quality and not prospects. you are giving up one of the better run producers in the game. thats all.

  209. Jared December 7th, 2007 at 9:49 am

    Anyone have the latest scoop on Matsui? Will the Giants actually be willing to part with Lincecum or Cain? They have said over the past few days that Lincecum in “untouchable” but if the real deal comes to them i think that could change. Matsui, Kennedy(I know he is overhyped but a man w. good control and a surplus of pitches), Betemit, and even another mid-tier prospect for Lincecum. Matsui would play left field, and hit for power. Kennedy would make an impact by joining the rotation and probably being a #3,#4 type pitcher. Betemit would play 3rd. 3 major league ready players…What more to ask?

  210. YanksFan412 December 8th, 2007 at 7:11 pm

    if the yankees could trade matsui and igawa for lincecum, i would crap my pants. the yankees would potentially have the best rotation in baseball for many years, wang, chamberlain, hughes, lincecum, kennedy…FILTHY, and even possibly santana, wang, chamberlain, kennedy, lincecum… i better stop, dont want to set myself up for a big letdown if all doesnt fall as planned, but wow, wut possibilities

  211. Chaz December 10th, 2007 at 11:08 am

    Vast Japanese population? The 2000 U.S. Census counted 11,410 people of Japanese descent in San Francisco. Nice try.

  212. Jesse December 11th, 2007 at 7:18 pm

    Yeah in San Francisco, what about the nearby cities? Trust me there is a huge asian population here. Matsui and Fukudome come on over to the bay.

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