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Loretta accepts arbitration from Houston

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 08, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

There is a “Mark Loretta to the Yankees” rumor every year around this time. But that got squashed when he accepted arbitration from the Astros.

Looks like Shelley Duncan, Wilson Betmit, the Big G and a cast of thousands at first base again.

 
 

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117 Responses to “Loretta accepts arbitration from Houston”

  1. RosterRooster December 8th, 2007 at 1:10 pm

    Any chance Juan Miranda gets playing time at some point this season? He’s got a sweet swing, and a good OBP.

  2. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 1:12 pm

    He needs to show he can hit lefties. The Yankees have enough options that can hit righties at 1B.

  3. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 8th, 2007 at 1:13 pm

    Hey, about the big three/three musketeers/trinity, in my most recent blog entry, I’ve got a ‘poll’ up as to what their nickname should be, feel free to participate if it strikes your fancy

    I can perhaps see a Shelley/Wilson tandem…Wilson can’t hit from the right, Shelley can…and any game with Shelley in it is major major smiles.

  4. Jake December 8th, 2007 at 1:18 pm

    I must say, this is an interesting scenario.

    I guess the money-saving option is Duncan or Betemit at first with Giambi DH’ing.

    The other alternative which I believe would be beneficial is to add back Dougie Fresh. I am not a huge fan of his lacking bat, but the dude’s defense is phenomenal.

  5. E-ROC December 8th, 2007 at 1:20 pm

    I think Miranda will make the team out of spring training and be our first baseman platooning with Shelley Duncan.

  6. Irabu's Son December 8th, 2007 at 1:23 pm

    Could be worse.

    Shelley Duncan: 1 HR per 10.6 career AB
    Wilson Betemit: 1 HR per 17.1 career AB
    Jason Giambi: 1 HR per 16.1 career AB

    I repeat: It could be worse.

  7. Jake December 8th, 2007 at 1:25 pm

    I still can’t believe Steinbrenner referred to Irabu as a “Fat Toad”. hahaha

  8. LathamJoe December 8th, 2007 at 1:27 pm

    Not great defensive options at 1B, unless Wilson loses about 50 Lbs!

  9. mel December 8th, 2007 at 1:29 pm

    Rebecca,

    In order of preference:

    1. Three Musketeers (because of their age and how enthusiastially they dress up in costumes) One for All, All for One and all that.

    2. The Big Three (original name from this blog)

    3. Holy Trinity (I want batters swearing when the leave the box. Like “Holy crap, what was that?”

  10. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 1:29 pm

    Well, The Three Amigos have been done to death, but, it fits. If Horne gets into the rotation next year and does well, you could have The Four Horsemen Of The Apocalypse.

  11. jorge jorge December 8th, 2007 at 1:29 pm

    E-Roc-

    what makes you think that miranda will make the team out of spring training and be our first baseman?

  12. murphydog December 8th, 2007 at 1:30 pm

    Wilson, Duncan, Giambi and somebody else? I like Dougie’s glove and Miranda may have talent hidden somewhere, but really, carry 4 1st basemen? It’s time to stop the madness.

  13. Randy Spears December 8th, 2007 at 1:30 pm

    I’m fine having Shelley play against lefties and Betemit vs. righties.

    Work on the bullpen, Cash.

  14. mel December 8th, 2007 at 1:31 pm

    Latham Joe,

    Heard Wilson was not working out as much as the club would like :(

    Saw a headline that Miguel Cabrera was getting into shape. Why any professional athlete would let themself go is beyond me.

  15. VRSCE December 8th, 2007 at 1:32 pm

    Rebecca,
    Huey

    Duey
    and
    Louie

  16. Joeysdadjoe December 8th, 2007 at 1:33 pm

    My choice would be Giambi at first against righties and DH ing or sitting against lefties with Shelley at First.Im not trading Matsui for Noah Lowry.

  17. E-ROC December 8th, 2007 at 1:34 pm

    jorge, jorge–Miranda could make it out of spring training even though he has a really slight chance of doing so. The Yanks may want to push him. It’s not as if Betemit or Duncan is leading the pack by the widest of margins.

  18. murphydog December 8th, 2007 at 1:35 pm

    Run the names together…

    Jobakenehughes? Philjobedy?

  19. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 1:38 pm

    The problem with Miranda playing first base is that he actually makes Giambi look like a Gold Glover.

  20. mel December 8th, 2007 at 1:38 pm

    At this point in Giambi’s career, he and Duncan are really the same player. One’s just younger and 40x cheaper. I want to see Giamgi get his eye back and Duncan could work to improve his.

    You guys were talking outfielders last night? We got 5. Count ‘em 5. Damon, Melky, Bobby, Hideki, and Shelley.

  21. mel December 8th, 2007 at 1:39 pm

    murphydog,

    lol. I think you can actually go to the at&t website to make your own thingamajiggywatchamacallit.

  22. pat December 8th, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    SJ44 said yesterday that A-Rod is paying for an off season trainer for Melky and Robbie. Maybe he’ll put one on the payroll for Wilson too.

  23. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 8th, 2007 at 1:45 pm

    some internal Yankee news from Pinstripe Plus

    1B Raymond Nunez, just turned 17..6’2” 210, it’s being said that he grades as a 75 on the power scale

    Harold Grace, 22yr old, RHP, Dominican Republic…6’3” 190, hitting 98 & 99MPH during his tryouts. He sat 95MPH in a couple of Instruct games towards the end.

    Both signed on December 5th, so yes we add on to minor league depth w/ more high ceiling talent

  24. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 1:47 pm

    “At this point in Giambi’s career, he and Duncan are really the same player. One’s just younger and 40x cheaper.”

    That is just not true. Giambi was top 10 in offensive production in 2006. He had a hot start last year, then he (like every other lefty) went into a funk in May, and then got hurt.

    Jason, if he’s healthy, is a huge impact bat. Duncan could continue to be a useful power threat off the bench/platoon guy against lefties, but he could just as easily be a strikeout machine.

  25. Hillabama December 8th, 2007 at 1:47 pm

    Perhaps someday (soon I hope) we can refer to them as the Three Ultimate Red Sox Killers.

  26. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 8th, 2007 at 1:48 pm

    You guys are hysterical!

    so we’ve got the Three Stooges now, too?

  27. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 1:50 pm

    “SJ44 said yesterday that A-Rod is paying for an off season trainer for Melky and Robbie. Maybe he’ll put one on the payroll for Wilson too.”

    You’d have to convince him to GO to the trainer first:-\

    I wonder if he’s cranky that he has yet to be given a full-time shot with any team. Do the Pirates need a full-time 2B or 3B? Maybe that’d motivate him. The Marlins are looking for a 3B. They must have some interesting parts in the minors these days.

  28. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 1:50 pm

    “so we’ve got the Three Stooges now, too?”

    The Three Tenors?

    Joba can be Pavarotti…

  29. pat December 8th, 2007 at 1:50 pm

    If Matsui is somehow traded and all other position players stay the same, I could see them possibly bringing back Dougie for some starts at 1st and late inning defense.

    Giambi could DH more, Duncan could fill in on corner outfield and Betemit could double as utility infield.

  30. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 1:52 pm

    “Duncan could fill in on corner outfield and Betemit could double as utility infield.”

    I think these things are already in the works. Duncan is, as far as I know, slated to spell bobby in RF against tough lefties.

  31. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 1:55 pm

    Wouldn’t that be “The Three Teners”?

  32. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 1:55 pm

    That would be a Bo Derek 10

  33. Don Capone December 8th, 2007 at 1:56 pm

    I like Duncan, but he’s no first baseman. The Yanks seriously need to get one. This is akin to saying Bubba Crosby was the centerfielder before they went out and got Damon.

    I’m still holding out for Nick Johnson. If he’s healthy he’d be a perfect fit.

  34. LathamJoe December 8th, 2007 at 2:00 pm

    I’d wait for a least one season before nicknaming Joba, Hughes, and IPK . Who knows what will happen between now and October?…Joba could return to the Pen…the Steinbrothers could revisit the Santana trade….
    or the Tri-Borough Trio could win 60 Games for the Yankees!

  35. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 2:02 pm

    “I’m still holding out for Nick Johnson. If he’s healthy he’d be a perfect fit.”

    If he wasn’t a lefty, and I thought he’d be healthy, I’d agree. But I mean…how do you rehab a broken femur? Isn’t that what it was? I thought he was still limping around all last year…

    “I like Duncan, but he’s no first baseman. The Yanks seriously need to get one.”

    Well, depending on the weighting of the platoon, I think they could get fine production out of the position by mixing Betemit, Duncan and Giambi there. That’s plenty of pop from both sides, and a solid OBP from Giambi.

  36. RosterRooster December 8th, 2007 at 2:10 pm

    The problem with all these platoon situations is that Betemit gets the majority of the starts in all of them. I just dont see him producing in this lineup enough to justify his defense. Unless he gets much better at 1st base D, he’s not worth it. We could get similar numbers with someone like, Meincewics, or Andy Phillips, and in addition get the much improved defense.

    When all is said and done, I doubt Betemit will be the starting 1st baseman on openeing day. If he is, he’ll be batting 9th and playing sub-par defense.

  37. Mike R. December 8th, 2007 at 2:12 pm

    “The Three Amigos” or “Young guns”

    I’ve watched too many movies.

  38. Jake December 8th, 2007 at 2:15 pm

    I love it: Metsblog claims Santana prefers to pitch for the Mets and in the NL.

    Problem: what mediocre prospects will the Twins accept in exchange for Santana?

  39. CB December 8th, 2007 at 2:20 pm

    Why do people still think Giambi can play in the field?

    His great OPS doesn’t particularly matter if he’s never healthy.

    He’s shown no evidence of being able to stay on the field if he plays regularly.

    He can’t even stay healthy as a DH.

    I don’t think they can do any rational planning this off season working off the assumption that Giambi will be in the first base mix.

    The risk is too high. The plantar fascia tear he had last year is a very, very serious sports injury. It’s very rare and has a high likelihood to recur. The steroids have ravaged his body and he’ll only be a year older next season.

    You have to plan for next season assuming that whatever you get from Giambi is a pleasant surprise. If they factor him into first base like they did last season they’ll be caught short again once he gets hurt.

  40. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 2:23 pm

    “You have to plan for next season assuming that whatever you get from Giambi is a pleasant surprise. If they factor him into first base like they did last season they’ll be caught short again once he gets hurt.”

    Well, then, you definitely can’t trade Matsui.

    “I just dont see him producing in this lineup enough to justify his defense.”

    Why? His limited ABs in extremely sporadic time last year? He’s actually a very good hitter from the left side. Plenty of power. Good SLG/mediocre OBP is fine from the bottom of your order.

  41. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 2:27 pm

    CB, that’s why it’s insane to trade Matsui, since what the Giants would offer wouldn’t be of equal value. Those that think this trade would bring in Linecum or Cain are fooling themselves. Lowrey and Sanchez doesn’t really instill much faith. The Yanks have plenty of hard pitchers who are still looking for the plate.

  42. CB December 8th, 2007 at 2:34 pm

    “Well, then, you definitely can’t trade Matsui.”

    Yes – I agree with that. I don’t think you can count on Giambi. I do think you have to pencil in Matsui as the everyday DH.

    I’m not opposed to trading Matsui if it were to bring back value equivalent to what he is – a left fielder who puts up a OPS of .825 and above each season and is signed to a reasonable short term contract.

    For instance, it would be nice if they had another right handed bat, especially if they trade Melky. But converting Matsui to an equivalent right handed bat would not be easy.

    Matsui is a very valuable player. All of these proposed trades of him to the giants for guys like Noah Lowery or Jonathan Sanchez aren’t close to this true value.

    Part of Matsui’s value is due to the fact that they can’t count on Giambi for anything next year.

  43. RosterRooster December 8th, 2007 at 2:34 pm

    The guys over at MatsuiFan think that trading him is a good idea for the yankees.

  44. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 8th, 2007 at 2:36 pm

    Gagme is about to sign w/ Milwaukee

  45. Phil December 8th, 2007 at 2:37 pm

    First base remains the least important defensive position on the field.

  46. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    “The guys over at MatsuiFan think that trading him is a good idea for the yankees.”

    Is part of that an assumption that Giambi will rebound? Or another group of people casting him off as little more than an OFer with knee problems…and ignoring that fact that he’s unquestionably an impact bat (OPS over .850 every year!) with a truly epic collection of depraved Japornimation? And, given the current market, actually signed to a reasonable contract.

  47. VRSCE December 8th, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    The Three Caballeros

  48. CB December 8th, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    GB7,

    Agreed. The Giants do not match up with the yankee needs at all. Lincecum and Cain are pipe dreams – that would be like the fans of the pirates thinking they could trade Jason Bay for Phil Hughes or Joba. Lowery and Sanchez will not make the yankees a better team.

    They have too many Sanchez’s already – guys who throw hard but can’t find the plate. No thanks. That was the one very good thing about the guy they got from the Nationals – he doesn’t walk anyone.

  49. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 8th, 2007 at 2:40 pm

    Oh man, we need Pete to do like an official poll, don’t we?!

    I think naming Scooter was easier!

  50. Jones December 8th, 2007 at 2:45 pm

    Pete:

    It’s “quashed” not “squashed.”

  51. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    If Matsui or Melky that goes, I think the Yankees need to look into a good defensive OFer that hammers lefties, like Kielty.

    I wonder if the Fukudome loser will come asking, now that they know the Yankees are at least willing to discuss moving Hideki. If it brings back a righty 1B that can put up .800+ OPS and hold down the position every day and some kind of bullpen arm, I’d do it and sign Kielty to provide lineup balance against lefties and OF depth.

  52. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    CB, Much agreed. If they had enough to offer that NYY could flip to the Mets to fill in the gaps for Santana, and saveHughes or Kennedy…either Gomez or Martinez, sending a package of pitchers, maybe, but, that’s not likely either. Hoping Horne and Marquez comes on this spring, but, even then, they’ll need some AAA starts, at least. Just hate giving up Jackson and Tabata…and Hilligoss…that kid is going to be good.

  53. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 2:53 pm

    So few right handed hitting 1st basemen that a team might think of moving. Maybe depending on what the White Sox would want for Konerko.

  54. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 2:56 pm

    “So few right handed hitting 1st basemen that a team might think of moving. Maybe depending on what the White Sox would want for Konerko.”

    I’m not talking about an elite guy here. I’m talking about a solid guy. A Kevin Millar-esqe player.

  55. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 3:02 pm

    Good God..don’t mention that name. I almost threw up thinking about it. Could always bring in Benji Molina to split the catching with Jose and move Posada to first, or, even better, talk to Mr. Team First into finally moving out of shortstop and moving to first base, or if Cabrera is traded moving to the NYY other glamor position, center field, although first would be better.

  56. Maverick December 8th, 2007 at 3:06 pm

    Jeter would be the worst centerfielder in baseball. What suggest that he could play that position except the fact that he is the captain of this team and thus held to a greater respect by fans. He has none of the physical traits to play the position except that he hustles

  57. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 3:14 pm

    “talk to Mr. Team First into finally moving out of shortstop and moving to first base”

    Then we’d need to turn Matsui into a shortstop who puts up an OPS of .850. That’s a lot harder, especially since we don’t have anyone else to put over there to take ABs and help boost the position totals.

  58. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 3:15 pm

    Jeter tracks flies and goes back on balls as well as any outfielder I’ve seen. He’s got a good, strong and accurate arm, except to first base, and he’s still got the speed to cover the ground. It would only be if Cabrera is traded and only until Jackson is ready. First base would actually be perfect for him. Jeter has the same skill sets that Robin Yount had, and is only a few years older than when Yount moved from shortstop to center, winning Gold Gloves in both spots.

  59. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 3:16 pm

    “Good God..don’t mention that name. I almost threw up thinking about it.”

    He’d actually be about the perfect player for 1B for the Yanks this season. Solid numbers, we know he’s a good clubhouse guy, tolerable D at a position where it barely matters, and isn’t expensive or long-term enough that he’d be blocking a potential Tex acquisition, blossoming of a prospect (Miranda?), or need of another guy to move to 1B (Jeter, Jorge)

  60. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    “Jeter tracks flies and goes back on balls as well as any outfielder I’ve seen.”

    He goes back on high popups over his head, yeah. But he doesn’t have that first-step quickness that you expect of a CFer. And, I really don’t think he has the speed to play there. His knees are getting worse every year.

  61. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    Whozat, Jeter should have been moved from shortstop years ago. The only reason third base wasn’t suggested in 2004 was because yankee scouts didn’t think he moved to his left well enough and his hands were too slow.

  62. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 3:21 pm

    Bernie Williams had the worst first step in baseball, and he survived 13 years, there. As I said, it’s only in case of a trade involving Cabrera, and only temporary. Personally, I’d rather it was 1st base.

  63. mel December 8th, 2007 at 3:24 pm

    You guys are talking about baseball like it’s brain surgery or something. just kidding.

  64. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 3:26 pm

    “Whozat, Jeter should have been moved from shortstop years ago. The only reason third base wasn’t suggested in 2004 was because yankee scouts didn’t think he moved to his left well enough and his hands were too slow.”

    Oh, I know. But who do you have to replace him? He’s a solid bat at 1B, not great, as long as you have a guy to put up an 800 OPS at SS. And we don’t have a Giambi or Duncan over there to help out with the offense. Betemit could add left handed pop at SS, but at the expense of even worse D than Jeter.

  65. Wolf In Pinstripes December 8th, 2007 at 3:27 pm

    Rebecca said: “I think naming Scooter was easier!”

    BTW, Rebecca – I found this looking at some Yankee swag last night and immediately deemed it as perfect for you on my site… LOL

    Check it out -

    http://www.cafepress.com/buy/y....._Xa/c_751/

  66. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 3:29 pm

    “Bernie Williams had the worst first step in baseball, and he survived 13 years, there. ”

    Yeah, but once he got going, he had good speed…until his last few years, when he was awful in the field.

    I don’t think Jeter has that kind of speed, not now. I think he needs to be a 1B, and soon. But then you really need an SS to slot in, and I really don’t see one.

  67. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 8th, 2007 at 3:29 pm

    He goes back on high popups over his head, yeah. But he doesn’t have that first-step quickness that you expect of a CFer. And, I really don’t think he has the speed to play there. His knees are getting worse every year.

    his mobility has been regressing year after year really eversince 2001, but the fans that continue to preech he needs to end his career a SS are in for a rude awakening, I hope it doesn’t come down to that because I see Angelini, Henry and if the Yankees sign Salcedo it’s a wrap, these guys aren’t slowing down to take SS they are very hungry in our system, just look how quick Melky wanted to come up, and noe Austin Jackson, look at THE BIG 3, they came up here to take someone’s job

  68. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 8th, 2007 at 3:32 pm

    Wolf: That is brilliant!

  69. ThatWasMe December 8th, 2007 at 3:33 pm

    60 years ago this month.
    Babe Ruth as Santa Clause – 1947 Newsreel

    Throat cancer, polio in one of his final public appearances before passing away 8 months later….Babe Ruth Santa Clause New York Yankees Christmas Baseball Polio

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Oi26xQTArdM

  70. Jake December 8th, 2007 at 3:33 pm

    Whozat,

    I can buy into the idea that Jeter, within a year or two, will need to shift elsewhere. But 1B? You sure about that?

    I DO NOT advocate a shift for Jeter from SS to CF because I just don’t buy that he’ll be suitable out there. Maybe LF, but any outfield position seems to be compromised because I don’t recall any analysis of his arm being anything special. He could cover ground for sure.

    Who knows, 1B is a possibility, but when you start to consider Posada, its more difficult. Also, you have Cano at 2B…could he ever be an SS? God only knows, I wouldn’t try it.

    This is an interesting topic…

  71. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 3:37 pm

    whozat
    December 8th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
    “Bernie Williams had the worst first step in baseball, and he survived 13 years, there. ”

    Yeah, but once he got going, he had good speed…until his last few years, when he was awful in the field.

    I don’t think Jeter has that kind of speed, not now. I think he needs to be a 1B, and soon. But then you really need an SS to slot in, and I really don’t see one.

    ___________________________________________________
    Did Angel Chavez sign with another team in the last week or so? Decent glove, a little pop, decnt average and some speed.

  72. RosterRooster December 8th, 2007 at 3:39 pm

    I see two do-able possabilites for Derek in a few years.
    1)Move him to corner outfield, preferably left.
    2)Move him to 3rd, and move AROD to first.

    I would vote for number 2.

  73. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 3:42 pm

    Jake, Cano started out as a shortstop, although moving Jeter to 2nd with Cano going to left is an option, but Jeter’s ability to move left would be just as exposed.

  74. mel December 8th, 2007 at 3:47 pm

    Green Beret,

    So by your theory the only place where his range won’t hurt us is 1B. I wonder what Jeter has in mind? I pity the fool reporter who first brings up the question of moving.

  75. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 3:51 pm

    Well, if Pete’s curage is lacking, get me a press card and, I’ll mention it to him. Just explain that he’ll be closer to the hotties and he can put on a show for them, doing splits and stretches. Of course the medical people will be busy in the stands all day, but, what the Hell.

  76. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 3:51 pm

    **courage**

  77. RosterRooster December 8th, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    I really dont see Jeter playing 1st. He is built more to be a 3rd baseman than anything. If ARod wasnt here, there would be talk of moving jeter over next season, or maybe sooner. He has a strong accurate arm, and good reflexes, but he lacks range. Perfect description of a solid 3rd baseman.

    As for AROD, we know he’s gonna be moving to 1st at some point. It won’t not happen until posada leaves though. Once he is gone, or deemed not a good enough 1b, these switches should take place, or, if we can somehow sign Hanley Ramirez. :)

  78. Wolf In Pinstripes December 8th, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    I thought you’d like that, Rebecca. ;)

    Regarding the first base situation, I’d like to see how Miranda shakes down during ST. As much as I think Giambi and Duncan are liabilities at 1B, I don’t want to see us throw money at that position right now. Let’s put that into relief pitching for the time being.

    Betemit may or may not produce if he gets more regular AB’s, but I wasn’t thrilled with how quickly he fell off at the plate after a hot start.

    Personally, I wouldn’t mind seeing Minky back there. Even with the time lost due to injury, his numbers were much, much better than anybody was predicting during ST last year. Apparently the Yankees aren’t sold on the idea though.

  79. mel December 8th, 2007 at 4:04 pm

    lol, green beret. Ever since the other day when we got into a spelling discussion and decided that a lot of our typos were from typing too fast, I’ve had a lot of typos, too. Pete’s not giving us an edit button because the number of posts is higher from all the self-correcting.

  80. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 4:04 pm

    Miranda is a worse 1st baseman than Giambi. Even Delgado is better than Miranda.

  81. mel December 8th, 2007 at 4:05 pm

    LOL, Roster Rooster, your name should be “Roster-Rooter”.

    By the time a significant change is made to the infield, kids that haven’t been drafted with will be filling those spots. :)

  82. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 4:07 pm

    Mel, if there’s no edit button, tell Pete that I’m gone pray the Yanks sign Fukudome and Fukumori.

  83. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 8th, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    Wolf: Mmm, right now I’m debating to buy the shirt on River Ave Blues…

    But I already got and spent my hanukah present, so I’d have to wait for my birthday!

  84. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 4:09 pm

    My typos aren’t from typing too fast, and, you can take that to the bank, Mel.

  85. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 4:10 pm

    “He has a strong accurate arm, and good reflexes, but he lacks range. Perfect description of a solid 3rd baseman.”

    Lack of mobility to his left makes for lots of doubles down the line, I think.

    Jeter’s deal is only 3 more years. I’m sure he and his agent do NOT want him to move to 1B, because his bat is nothing special over there. The team needs to figure it out, though. They need some good middle IF prospects either way.

  86. mel December 8th, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    Ha Ha, GB7

    Reminds me of the scene from the Austin Powers Goldmember movie. Fook Yu & Fook Mi.

  87. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    Rebecca, I’ve already smoked my Hanukkah present from my brother.

  88. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 4:14 pm

    Well, Pete’s been warned. Mike Myers is a funny guy, loved Austin Powers, and not a bad pitcher, regardless of what people thought.

  89. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 4:16 pm

    I’d rather Jeter sacrificed a little average and turn on more pitches. He has outstanding power, but, most of his homers go to the gaps.

  90. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 8th, 2007 at 4:20 pm

    GB: HAH!

  91. Tommy December 8th, 2007 at 4:24 pm

    Does anyone know Betemit’s contract status?

  92. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 4:27 pm

    Still two years from FA. Has an arbitration hearing this season. He’s making a little less than 500,000 a year.

  93. mel December 8th, 2007 at 4:28 pm

    Green Beret,

    I know you took a dig at me the other day when I used the term ‘True Yankee’ to describe one of the players, but if you think about it, the Steinbrenners take it seriously. I don’t know much about how George did things years ago, but it seems like he has a soft spot in his heart for the “true Yankees”.

    That’s why you won’t see Jeter moved until Jeter thinks it’s a good idea. Look how long it took to get Bernie out of center field and that’s only because he had no contract.

    Contrast that with Damon and Matsui. They had no problems scuttling them out of postitions they’ve played their whole careers.

    The same can be said with money. I’m sure that they could’ve offered less to Mo and Jorge, but they gave them great offers with no haggling. A-rod? The greatest thing since sliced bread? See you! (of couse that saves them $300M, but that doesn’t help my argument so let’s ignore that).

    It’ll be interesting to see how they deal with Jeter in the next 3 years.

  94. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 4:41 pm

    “He has a strong accurate arm, and good reflexes, but he lacks range. Perfect description of a solid 3rd baseman.”

    part of that was Joe too, I suspect.

    They need a legit AA SS prospect to push the issue.

  95. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 4:41 pm

    crap.

    I meant to quote the Bernie comment.

  96. Tommy December 8th, 2007 at 4:44 pm

    Thanks GB7.

    I know I should know these things, but the financials turn me off. I tend not to pay attention.
    Cot’s doesn’t have any contract info for him beyond 07.

    I’m just curious if he is definitely in the plans.

  97. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 4:44 pm

    I wasn’t necessarily didgging at anybody…just that some people use it for any player they like, but, if they don’t like ‘em, they’re not “True Yankees”. I’ve heard Maris described as not being a “True Yankee”. The problem is, a lot of people on these boards have no idea what the term means. I agree, George always had his pets and those he didn’t care for. Didn’t really matter whether they were greats or not. He loved Strawberry and Wells. Hardly great Yankees. He was never fond of Mel Stottlemyre or Bobby Murcer when he first bought the team. The reason Stottlemyre took almost 20 years to come back to Old Timer’s Day is because of what happened in 1974 when Mel tore his rotator cuff. George told him to get it fixed and he’d always have a job and when he was ready to pitch to let him know. The next spring, he released him. He hated Guidry, too and called him gutless. The only problem Guidry had was that nobody ever showed him how to throw anything but that big fastball. In the spring off 1977, Sparky Lyle took him to the bullpen and in 5 minutes, taught him the slider. Steinbrenner and Martin wanted him off the team so bad they almost released him until Bob Lemon called and wanted him as a throw-in in a trade, and Lyle told George he was nuts. It’s a great phrase, if you people knew how to apply it.

  98. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 4:45 pm

    **digging**

  99. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 4:45 pm

    “Cot’s doesn’t have any contract info for him beyond 07.”

    technically, he doesn’t have a contract until he either signs one or goes through the arbitration hearing.

  100. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 4:49 pm

    As far as Jeter goes, I’ll bet they extend him for three years. Maybe move him into the front office after that, or, it wouldn’t surprise me to see him become the bench coach if Dony Baseball becomes the manager and start getting Jeter ready if he wants it.

  101. DadinIowa December 8th, 2007 at 4:49 pm

    The 3 kids should be collectively called the Trinity, not holy trinity. They should all be kept for next year.

    Other than needing a lefty specialist for the BP, what else do we need to do for next year?

    We had the best record from the all-star break to the end of the season. The Trinity should all be better. Perhaps one or more of them will become the Ace we need for the playoffs.

    Our deep crop of young throwers in the minors should help the BP.

    I hope Cash doesn’t make a lot of changes. Unless someone blows US away with an offer for Matsui or Damon, I really like our offense (even with a “glut” in the outfield).

  102. Tommy December 8th, 2007 at 4:51 pm

    That is why I think people need to lay off Hank for the time being. He has miles to go before he reaches the public embarassment his Dad often was.

    Can you imagine if the company line on Guidry was acted on?
    Shows how delicate pitching decisions can be.
    Finally gets a shot at 26, learns the slider and blossoms.
    Best Yankee pitcher since Ford imo.

  103. Tommy December 8th, 2007 at 4:57 pm

    Thanks whozat.

    I think I’d rather sign ManK then and let the Gonzalez kid back up the other positions.

    We already have above average offensive production at the other infield positions. Do we absolutely need it at 1b next year?
    Wait till 09 to address it.
    Plus 1B Might need to stay open considering PO down the line.

  104. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 4:59 pm

    Tommy, you’re right. In the spring of 1977, Guidry was warming up and Steinbrenner told Martin to get him out of his sight. They sent Guidry to the pen to hide him and that’s the day Lyle taught him the slider. They were about to ship him of to the White Sox and Martin calls the bullpen to talk to Guidry. He said, Tell me what hitter you think you can get out and I’ll let you pitch to him.” Lyle told Martin that he’d better see this kid’s new pitch before he said anymore. He came in with 6 straight strikeouts. It still took an emergency start at the end of April before Martin let him pitch other than a couple of relief appearances. First start was a complete game shutout. He ended with 16 wins and 5 shutouts in ’77. He should have won twenty if they had used him in April.

  105. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 8th, 2007 at 5:02 pm

    Well guys, there is a poll poll up here:

    http://community.livejournal.c.....#t28177972

    I highly recommend voting!

  106. Kill-Schill(ing) December 8th, 2007 at 5:08 pm

    Hey Rebecca, you can E-mail me at kill.schill@gmail.com.

  107. mel December 8th, 2007 at 5:09 pm

    Thanks Rebecca,

    Reading those choices, the Tres Hombres sounds kind of catchy and I think that Omar would love it.

    “The Trident” would be an accurate desciption (3-pronged spear or weapon), but most people would think “gum”. Although there is definitely marketing tie-in potential there.

  108. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 5:10 pm

    I had another name, but didn’t think it would get past the censors.

  109. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 8th, 2007 at 5:11 pm

    - Aaron Rowand declined the Phillies’ offer of arbitration, a procedural move that changes nothing about the free agent’s status.

    Had he accepted, Rowand would’ve been considered a “signed” player with Philadelphia for at least the 2008 season, and an independent arbitrator would have determined his one-year salary. Since he’s seeking a multiyear deal for at least five years, it made little sense for Rowand to commit to the Phillies.

    OH GOD CASH PLEASE RESIST THE TEMPTATION, THAT’S THE DEVIL IN YOUR EAR

  110. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 5:13 pm

    of course you could go with “The Triple Play” or “The Triple Threat”.

  111. whozat December 8th, 2007 at 5:14 pm

    “We already have above average offensive production at the other infield positions. Do we absolutely need it at 1b next year?
    Wait till 09 to address it.”

    This is a flawed way of thinking. It really shouldn’t cost much to find a millar-esque bat for 1B. It would probably immediately upgrade the team. Why should they NOT do this? Remember the offensive struggles of the team in April and May? A solid righty bat at 1B would have helped a lot.

    Landing a solid guy there would allow them to move Betemit, who has value, for some other parts. Relief help, a prospect with upside, whatever. I’m not saying a young stud to hold down the position for years…I’m saying who’s disposable in a year or two.

  112. Anthony_CA December 8th, 2007 at 5:15 pm

    Where the F has bobcat been?

  113. Tommy December 8th, 2007 at 5:19 pm

    That’s cool Whozat, as long as it is NOT Millar!

  114. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    Just not many right handed 1st baseman that’s available. Tony Clark, Conine, Sexton, try to shake Derek Lee loose. As a left handed bat, Gload would be the perfect home town boy. Hits lefties and righties almost eqally. plays an outstanding 1B and corner outfield. KC is over loaded with 1st base types.

  115. BBB (Good luck to T-Clip in DC) December 8th, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    Mark Loretta? We don’t need no stinkin’ Mark Loretta! I too am fine with a Betemit/Duncan platoon at 1b (no Giambi please; especially if we trade Matsui we are really going to need his bat so there’s no point in risking his health for a position where he’d only cost us runs with his glove anyway.)

    However I do wholeheartedly agree that we should re-sign M to tha Z to serve as the defensive specialist. Betemit and/or Duncan MIGHT be passable defensively, but I’d rather not wait and see on that especially since now Donnie won’t be there to work with them in ST. It would only take a 1-yr deal, he’s good in the clubhouse and even better at handling low throws from Jeter and A-Rod, can go on hot streaks despite being a light hitter, but most importantly, makes contact and won’t strike out a ton. And he could even teach Shelley/WB a thing or two defensively. As far as I’m concerned this is a no-brainer, has anyone heard anything about Cash talking to him….or other teams talking to him?

    Also, my bad if this has been mentioned already but Happy Birthday to the Moose today! 39, he’s gettin up there lol.

    Lastly, in a non-baseball related note, Rest in Peace John Lennon and Darrell “Dimebag” Abbott, today is the anniversary of each of these wonderful musicians being killed. :( December 8th, worst day ever in rock n roll history. I’m a huge Pantera fan and it’s tough to think about how much more greatness we would have seen from Dimebag Darrell were he still alive. But, it is comforting to know that he and Lennon are jamming out in heaven as I write this.

  116. Tommy December 8th, 2007 at 5:49 pm

    BBB:

    well said about Lennon and Dimebag.

  117. Prete Funk Era December 8th, 2007 at 6:39 pm

    Maybe I’m an old Zelda nerd BUT I think the “Triforce” would be an awesome name.

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