Yankees may be close to deal with Hawkins
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Not bad. I’d rather sign a middle reliever for one year than for three.
OMG, Yanks can do better than that…
This guy isn’t terrible but not great either. Better one year than 4+.
Please, give the Hornes, Marquezs and the Whites of the world a bleeping chance…
Roche you can only get whats available. besides hawkins had pretty good numbers last season.
Hawkins is better than Viz, and a one year contract is perfect.
I can stomach one year.
i remember i got excited when we signed felix rodriguez…
Think of this as a one-year insurance policy. And if the youngsters work out, then there should be a pretty good market mid-season.
It’s tough getting excited about Hawkins. He’s usually pretty bad when it counts. I guess one year of Hawkins is better than three years of Viz. Plus, Viz signing elsewhere will net a draft pick. So it could be worse…
Idk how good he’ll be, but at 1-year $3.75 mill. you can’t really complain. I’m sure the kids will still get their chance as there are still many holes in the pen. I wouldn’t say he’s better than Viz, but since viz wants 3-4 years this is definitely the better way to go.
LaTroy Hawkins’ career record: 56-76, 4.68
Ugh.
As Forrest Gump said:
“And that’s all I gots to say about that … “
I also would tell people remember Girardi was watching the playoffs he saw this guy and maybe even recommended him too.
I am glad that this is a one year contract and not a three year, he should be solid,Girardi should help the situation, plus he canalways get the help of Mo.
yay?
One year deal, so not a bad gamble. If he ends up stinking up the joint, he will be released by August.
Hey Pete, can’t wait to see what kind of nicknames you can come up with for him…if only to piss off Steve!
Overall, his numbers aren’t that different from those the Viz has put up.
Last year Hawkins – ERA+ 140 WHIP 1.2
the Viz – ERA+ 104 WHIP 1.4
Year before: Hawkins – ERA+ 102 1.45
the Viz – ERA+ 132 1.45.
In 2006 the Viz was in the NL West and the Hawkins AL East
In 2007 they switched – Viz in AL East and Hawkins NL West.
One difference between them – walks.
Last year Viz – bb/9 – 5 (wow that’s bad) and career 3.8
Hawkins – bb/9 – 2.6 and career 3
Interestingly, Colorado is supposedly looking into signing the Viz if they lose hawkins.
Hawkins on a one year deal will be a decent value.
Essentially the yankees will be “trading” the Viz and his 3 year $12 million contract demand for hawkins at 1 year $3.75 million and a supplemental round draft pick.
The Viz is a type B free agent and the yankees will get a supplemental round pick. They will get a talented player who falls through because of signability at that pick.
(Claws skin off)
Ugh….
Look at his #’s the last time he pitched in the AL East(Bal).
Scary!
“Look at his #’s the last time he pitched in the AL East(Bal).
Scary!”
Hawkins numbers from 2006 when he was in the AL East on Baltimore are basically the same as the numbers the Viz put up this year in the AL East with the yanks.
Major difference – the Viz struck out more people but also walked a lot more.
I think the Viz is a better pitcher but he’s not that much better than Hawkins.
Caveat Emptor ……”Let the buyer beware”.
ben:
you have to relize that the last time he pitched in the al east he was pitching against the east minus baltimore. this time it will be against the east minus the yankees. big difference there.
Farnsworth, Hawkins, Bruney, Britton, Ramirez, Vera, & etc…..If you throw enought S…t against the wall, something is bound to stick…..I firmly believe that Cashman is just trying to make it thru this season, or just 1/2 way….Hopefully by July someone from Trenton will emerge and make his prescence felt….It’s not as bleak as it has been in seasons past, there’s help on the way……The key is going to be The Farns whether we like it or not….That’s if the bullpen stays this way come April……
Ben,
Hawkins was in the NL last season, for crying out loud!!!
and he sported a sub-3.70 ERA!!!
Maybe the only value Hawkins provides is an ability to at least give us innings.
I can see Cashman’s thinking since Vizcaino was going to take 3 or 4 years, but I doubt Hawkins will do jack $hit for us.
Miles:
No they can’t. Regarding the FA market for relievers, here is who is considered better: Kaz Fukomori, Mahay, Dotel, Wickman (if he doesn’t retire). That’s basically it.
Regarding his career ERA. That is distorted by the three bad years he had as a starter for the Twins. Check his relief record only.
I’m not saying he is great. Just saying he’s basically the among the best of what was left on the market. The lack of K’s is a concern.
Hey….and least it’s not ANDY Hawkins….
Hawkins would be a servicable arm who can eat up some of the middle innings. One year contracts are few and far between these days…Cashman did good considering the climate for middle relievers. They’ll have Mo, Farnsworth, Hawkins and the kids. With maybe the signing of a veteran lefty to come.
Hawkins at 3.75 mil for one season will at least equal Vizcaino. The fact that he was in the NL and pitching in Colorado is a wash. The big plus is that, esentially, NYY get an extra mid-to-late 1st round draft pick that will fall through. This also buys time to get the kids like Sanchez, Melancon, Cox and others ready to go in the second half. The low cost makes him easy to move if NYY has better replacements coming in from the farm. They can deal him to an NL contender for a prospect or two at mid-season. That makes for a good rental.
SDC
Hopefully Pete can restrain himself from coming up with something insulting. I would mind “The Hawk” though. That seems pretty harmless.
By the way, this is an excellent deal. Getting a 35 year old reliever to take a 1 year deal is a pretty big upset and it gives us some flexibility if the move doesnt work out.
If he sucks. he’ll become “The Sparrow”.
Hawkins @ 1 year > Viz @ 3 years.
I believe that Mark Melancon and Humberto Sanchez can be late season factors in the bullpen. They need to be worked in slowly to build up arm strength.
Maybe taking classes at Mo University will put him on the right path.
Plus it keep us from hearing about how Torre ruined Vizcaino last year. I would rather forget Torre’s last 6 or so years.
Just checked. His ERA last year was 3.42.
which should blow up to 4.50 – or somewhere in that range – in the AL East.
……that is assuming his IQ is not below Farnworth’s .
I think Kyle can be helpful to us this year. I think not having to worry about becoming of the “trusted few” of Torre’s will help a lot because he will be allowed to make a few mistakes and still see important innings. With Toree, if Kyle messed up once, he was relegated to mop up role for the rest of the month.
It’s a smart move. He won’t block any kids. He’ll just keep a spot warm for one.
Who cares? He’s not blocking anyone (except perhaps for one middling rookie, a bunch of whom in the Yankees system are overly inflated by some fans). He has experience, and has at times been a good pitcher. He’s only around for a year, costs nothing, and, in case next year is a bust for the Yanks, can be dealt at the deadline for a prospect or two. I don’t really see a downside to this, so long as your expectations for Hawkins are commensurate with his average stats. On paper he’s a much better bet than a guy with no experience.
cashman should be fired for this move.
One reason the NL is looked at as weaker than the AL pitching wise is because of the DH. Relievers don’t usually face the DH (at least good ones who pitch the 8th and 9th) so you can’t really say he sucks b/c he pitched in the NL with that ERA b/c he usually probably faced 3 real batters.
The Yanks still have plenty of spots open so there is plenty of room for the young guys. You guys didn’t honestly want 5 young rookies in the pen did you??? You can have 3 or 4 and get rid of them as they don’t pan out and bring up new guys but you have to have a little experience. Plus we can beat up on Hawk’s arm and then dump him at the end of the year
Replace DH with pitcher in my first comment. Sorry, long day
SIDEBAR….As much as I dislike the Patriots, and this goes back to the Joe Willie days when they played in Fenway…It’s hard not to like and admire Tom Brady…..I’ll never like or forgive Belechek for what he did to the Jets…..They do look like the best team I’ve ever seen….I always felt that the Steelers of the late 70′s were the best ever, but hell these guys are real good…..
I like it. Low risk, decent reward.
One thing to keep in mind too, of course his numbers are gonna jump with the NL to AL transition, but it may not be as high as you might expect given the fact that that he’s coming from Coors Field, possibly the best hitters park in the league. I could hit .330 in that place!
Pat M
The Patriots look like the best team ever to get handed a game against the Ravens by the refs. The remind me a lot of the 2005 Colts: suspect defense (with aging linebackers), no running game, explosive offense, and unreliable kicking game. We will see how that works out for them in the playoffs.
Look up Hawkins situational stats at cbssportsline.com
Hope they don’t plan on bringing him in with RISP and certainly not with the bases loaded. Looked at his year with Colorado and the Orioles. Looks like he’s become more of a groundball pitcher as his strikeouts have been declining since his Minnesota days.
The Rockies declined his 3.25M option and gave him a $250,000 buyout, so essentially he’s getting a 4M salary with the Yankees!!
Did pitch well in the playoffs this year.
All said-don’t expect much at all from him and maybe, keep my fingers crossed, we’ll be pleasantly surprised.
Mike: No, you couldn’t.
My only question is in the year of the reliever why can’t he find a GM that will give him 2 years?
whyyyyyyyyyyyyy – if they are not going to sign someone good just stay in-house. Dont give a contract to this guy.
There are many, many things I would do for a Patriots loss.
However, not as many as I would do for a Yankees’ bullpen that can, you know, do its job…
It doesn’t surprise me that LaTroy Hawkins would take a one year deal to come here as he is a huge Yankee fan and has always wanted to be here.
Getting a supplemental pick for Viz is nice, it’s no reason to sign Hawkins who I think will be terrible in the AL East. I was always happy when the other team brought him in to face us.
I don’t care if Mo is the only veteran in the bullpen, trade Kyle Farnsworth and go with the SWB Yankees and Trenton Thunder in the Pen next year.
Here is my starting rotation next year….
My Projected 2008 Starting Rotation
* Chien-Ming Wang
* Andy Pettite
* Phil Hughes
* Joba Chamberlain
* Ian Kennedy
Here is my bullpen next year….
* Mike Mussina
* Kyle Farnsworth
* Ross Ohlendorf
* Jonathan Albaladejo*
* Mark Melancon*
* J. Brent Cox*
* LaTroy Hawkins
* Mariano Rivera
I have the Big Three with Wang and Pettite as the 5 man rotation but I also have Mussina coming in as a spot starter/long reliever to eat up innings for the “Big Two”– Joba and Phil. My bullpen has Melancon and Cox coming in at some point during the season to help out and it is anchored by Farnsie, Ohlendorf, Albaladejo, and Hawkins plus someone that is yet to be traded for(someone on the same level as Albaladejo or Hawkins). I think that would be a very interesting pitching staff–I don’t know if it would work but I think I like it….
This is a good move.
The kids are not going to be ready for the start of the season. The likes of Sanchez and Melancon need some innings in the minors to get their control and strength back after their medical coditions. The likes of Horne need to get some experience as releivers at AAA.
Hawkins fills the gap until a couple of these kids prove they can hanndle ML.
So, really, there is no downside to this deal. If he does not turnout to be good, it is only one year deal, they are not going to be stuck long term with the the likes of Mahay etc,.
This is a much better move than signing Viz.
1. we get a supplemental draft pick from not signing Viz
2. Its only 1 year
3. we can easily trade him mid season
4. If he does well, we can get a draft pick for him at the end of the season
Mark- Where’s your lefty in the bullpen? Is Cox a lefty?
Who do they bring in do get out Ortiz?
Steve….Even the great teams get the lucky breaks now & then….Immaculate Reception, Jeffery Maher, and so on…..Yes they have some flaws as you pointed out…But for right here & now, none of that really matters….They’re offense even surpasses the great 49′ERS Teams of the 80′s…..They make you play catch up, and it just plays into their defensive strengths….They do have some major defensive injuries, it’s just their system and style is so damn good…..Please I dispise them, however I do have to respect them….I look for them every week to stub a toe, but they just know how not only to win, they punish you while they’re going about winning……Maybe a first round loss, at home in the snow….To avenge the BS call vs. Oakland that started this run of theirs…..NO MORE FOOTBALL….My season ended a long time ago when it was apparent that the Jets sucked this season…..
Say it ain’t so Mr. Cashman!
Latroy’s career ERAs against the AL East:
Baltimore – 6.45
Boston – 5.79
Toronto – 4.53
Tampa Bay – 4.43
His WHIP is around 1.55 against these Teams.
Yankee trade:
JB Cox is another righty. Cash still needs to sign a good lefty RP. Hopefully the Pirates’ Marte can be acquired.
Yankee Trader-
I had visions of Kei Igawa being a big lefty arm out of the bullpen. But to be quite honest with you I don’t know what role Igawa will play for the Yankees in 2008. If we can’t get Igawa to be worth anything….
Here is a little blurb on JB Cox from Pinstripe Potentials:
Cox wouldn’t be #7 if he wasn’t so far along. He is going to be at least a good major league reliever very soon, and could very well be a great one. His ability to get left handed batters out just as well as right handed ones thanks to the hard slider coming in will make him better than a middle reliever. He is such a certain product that there is not much more to say about him. There is no doubt in my mind that Cox could perform better than Kyle Farnsworth or Scott Proctor next year if sent immediately to the Yankees.
Great guarantee by the Steelers! LOL
if you take away Latroy’s horrid april where he gave up 7 runs in 7 innings…his era for the rest of the year was 2.70…i like that Cash is taking a calculated risk, kind of win-win. I wonder how much input does the new pitching coach have in reccomending guys, maybe he saw something he can work with?
BBfan & JT-
You guys are right on the money about LaTroy.
Merry Chrismas LaTroy
Boo Giuliani
Yankee Trader-
In addition…
Cox has a plus slider, on par with T.J. Beam’s. He throws it at about 85 mph, with excellent control. It breaks hard and in to left handed batters, getting him a decent amount of swings and misses. He is by no means a strikeout pitcher, but his slider is certainly a strikeout weapon. He doesn’t use the pitch to get strikes, but it certainly looks like a strike when he is throwing it. The weird arm slot that he throws from makes it even more deceptive.
Maybe he could be successful against Ortiz???
Hawkins is an acceptable stopgap until the young arms prove they’re ready: Sanchez, Melancon, Horne and Cox.
The only thing left to do is to get Marte so this way we’re not depending on a reclamation project (Farnsworth) as our setup guy.
JB Cox on Youtube.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN2W9jC1KG4
The Mets are monitoring Jeff Fassero’s comeback try. Fassero last had a good year in 1997 when he went 16-9 last time he won double digits was 1998 13-12 and the last time he had a winning record was 2002 8-6.
Let’s here all the mets fans sing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
Check that: Sanchez, Melancon, Horne, Cox and Marquez
If they do move Horne to the bullpen that would be GREAT for this team. He has 4 pretty good pitches and being in the bullpen would maximize his effectiveness since he probably won’t be seeing much time in the rotation since there are already 6 guys penciled in. Melancon pitched this fall so he should be ready at least by May if not April. Sanchez will be later in the year than him but should still be ready by May and Cox didn’t have anything surgically repaired if I remember right so I think he should be back to. If they don’t trade for Marte I think they sign Mahey but 3 years is way to long unless you get him for what Myers made somwhere around 1.25
Mark Melancon has thrown 8 innings in professional baseball.
All 8 of those innings were in the NY Penn League.
JB Cox has thrown around 100 minor league innings. None above AA.
They’re both talented but the idea that either of them is going to be counted on to get any major leaguer out this season, never mind Big Papi in a big spot, is really stretching things.
The Yankees have no idea how those guys are going to pitch this season.
Melancon reportedly looked good in winter ball. But who knows if he’s going to have the command needed to get hitters out even if he’s throwing hard. He had full blown TJ.
Cox – less serious surgery – but there is still no way you write him into the pen for this year.
They yankees are going to have to patchwork a bullpen together this year.
Far from ideal and it will probably be bad. But you hope one guy from the minors come through.
Alan Horne and Dan McCutcheon are better shots to be successful in the pen this year than any of the guys who are coming back from TJ surgery.
Off topic,,,,here’s to the Patriots continuing throwing like 95% of the time, no matter WHAT the game situation is. A nice season ending knee injury for pretty boy Brady will be a nice Christmas present for that A-Hole coach of theirs. OUT !
the you tube clip led me to a humberto sanchez interview from spring training last year and I was so happy to see that he grew up just 5 blocks from the stadium…
If he has a chance throw some fire , maybe successor to Mariano, he could be a true home town fave hero. We haven’t had any of those in a looong time have we??
I mean i love joba and everyone else, but they are all from somewhere else, I naively assumed Humberto was latin american prospect.
Have we had anyone born and bred in the 5 boroughs??
Butch-
Watch out for the next true hometown hero–Dellin Betances.
Brilliant post 180 degrees!
Patriots passing as much as they do just has not been very effective as it? You are just jealous 180.
I want the Patriots to lose to the Dolphins.
Irony is bliss.
If young pitchers don’t pitch well you send them down and bring up a fresh crop up until you find something that works. If Hawkins pitchers poorly and he will, he’s going to keep getting the ball until his failure reaches a saturation point and they finally decide to just cut him. They’ll be semi open to doing this cuz its a one year deal. Farnsworth gets a longer leash cuz Cashman will wait all year to try to justify the mistake in signing him in the first place.
People liked Vizcaino because relative to the other garbage out their he looked good. He wasn’t good. We shouldn’t stop bringing relievers from the minors until they can prove to be at least an improvement over him.
Sorry Rebecca! I really appreciate your posts and like your blog but the Patriots will not be losing to the Dolphins this year and Adam Smith of the Steelers guarantees it.
i’d like to see that, too, Rebecca. And yes, irony is ironic.
I want the Patriots to lose to the Yankees.
Ray–I’m sure you’re right, but it doesn’t hurt to say it =D
(I mean, I want World Peace, but c’mon now…)
Farnsworth-Hawkins…….now thats the bridge to MO we’ve been looking for. UGH.
The Yankees as a football team:
Derek Jeter- Quarterback
Running Back- Alex Rodriguez
Full Back- Bobby Abreu
Wide Receivers- Johnny Damon, Robinson Cano, Melky Cabrera
Center- Colter Bean
“If young pitchers don’t pitch well you send them down and bring up a fresh crop up until you find something that works.”
This isn’t the way you develop young pitchers.
They are going to have difficulties you have to ride those rough time out if you believe in their talent. Experience does matter – there is a learning curve at the major league level. And all prospects have to be allowed to fail otherwise they’ll never go through that learning curve.
If you send them down in waves all you’ll have is young arms with no confidence and no experience because they were sent down too soon.
Also – this is pretty much what they had to do this year with the starters – Wright, Clippard, DeSalvo, Karstens, Rasner, etc.
They brought up crop after crop. It wasn’t very pretty.
I like your spirit Rebecca! Go world peace.
CB sure it is
I’m just glad that it’s only a 1 year deal, given the market
Note to Cashman: Go get Kosuke Fukudome
cb and if Wright, Clippard, DeSalvo, Karstens and Rasner were the next round of Yankee prospects i would say sign every free agents you can get your hands on cuz Wright, Clippard, DeSalvo, Karstens and Rasner suck but we knew that before they came up
I’d take Farnsworthless over Hawkins
Note to Cashman: Go get Kosuke Fukudome
couldn’t agree more, we know Hawkins stinks
Fukudome is interted in the padres, rangers and yankees and would be ideal if we trade Matsui.
Ray:
Nothing wrong with hoping.
Sure you’d know that by now
I though Fukudome was the reliever but he signed somewhere already
Fukudome has a flare for the dramatice – one of the greatest moments in baseball history is when he pinch-hit a two-run home run off Byung-Hyun Kim in the semi-finals against Korea in the 2006 World Baseball Classic. So yes i agree, go get him cash!!
Fukudome has not signed, but it was rumored cubs were in the lead for him. Guess not.
Fukudome is Japan’s version of Manny.
Fukedome is a centerfielder right?
Fukudome would give the Yankees versitility and power.
Wright was barely out of A Ball and Clippard and DeSalvo were barely into AAA Ball, and had it not been an emergency, they would not have been brought up like that. As what you will, but the minor league kids fought to a .500 record dispite being 1 and 2 levels above where they should have been. People seem to forget that Wright was in his second ML start and had a no hitter going into the 4th inning in Boston. Those four hitters weren’t exactly ham and eggers out there. I still think he’s got a future. Karstens will probably a spot starter and long relief this year and could be fairly decent. DeSalvo and Rasner are better suited to big parks like the NL West.
They said Matsui had a flair for the dramatic and threw the alcs in 03 he did. Ffter that he had a flair for grounding into the DP
Fukudome and Arod in the same line up is sick!
Minnesota is missing a great marketing possibility with the closing of the Homer Dome by not signing Fukudome and using him in the advertising.
Ship matsui is san fran.
James, is Matsui as good as Jeter is at that?
I saw Fukudome last season and he will easily be top 5 players in MLB if he comes over.
Forget Wright Rasner Karstens Clippard experience, its irrelevant, its their stuff. Its not good enough to dominate. The Yankees have a plethora of arms with dominating stuff. Don’t get in their way. Give them the opportunity. If their getting their teeth kicked in send them down let them get their bearings and bring them back up, repeat. Before you know it the Yankees will have a dominate bullpen
“cb and if Wright, Clippard, DeSalvo, Karstens and Rasner were the next round of Yankee prospects i would say sign every free agents you can get your hands on…”
Here’s the next “crop” of near ready minor leaguers in the yankee system who are not coming off surgery:
Ohlendorf, Veras, Steve White, Horne, McCutcheon, Marquez, Dave Robertson, Karstens and Rasner.
All of them have major question. Most of them are starters, particularly the most talented of this bunch – Horne and McCutcheon. You don’t know how they will physically react to being a reliever or coming in mid-game.
Ohlendorf is still trying to settle into a relief role. He has talent but his performance hasn’t been very good. Look at this numbers last year or even in the Arizona Fall Leauge. Not pretty. He’s still working on a second pitch and is now trying to develop a split finger. Generally it takes at least one full season before pitchers get comfortable with throwing a split finger because of the finger stretching it requires.
Veras – his command his still rocky and as he had TJ two years ago you don’t know when or if it will come back.
White – also a starter. Has been in the minors a long time. Karstens and Rasners – marginal talents.
Robertson – one professional season. Still not ready. Maybe in June. But not know. Also, doesn’t throw hard so its tough to project his stuff.
This is the crop – they are going to have growing pains.
People often like the idea of going with younger players until they actually see them try to adjust to the big leagues.
Many yankee fans wanted to trade Cano when he got off to that terrible first half. And watching people jump off the Phil Hughes bandwagon as he came back from injury was also something.
If people didn’t have patience with Cano and Hughes it’ll be interesting to see how they feel about Ohlendorf or Horne. take his lumps in the bigs.
GreenBeret7-
But Jeter should know better because of his average regular season numbers and post season numbers is all that Jeter has left over A-Rod but sadly Jeter can’t even do that anymore.
Where’s the source for Fukudome interested in the Yanks?
To me Matsui is worse cuz he’s always trying to pull the ball away and rolling it over to second. Jeter’s always hitting to the right side anyway and he hard hits into a Lotta DP. So Jeter’s a little bit more defensible. Bernie hit into a lot of DP too on account of how hard he hit the ball.
Horne is ready right now
GreenBeret7 – go back to rooting for the sox. How dare you question Jeter. Jeter was playing on one knee for most of the season and playoffs last year.
Oh, you are so knowledgeable sitting in front of your computer, stuffing your face with poptarts, and typing with your pudgy fingers venom against the greatest player of our lifetime. Knock it off.
You want the prospects to jump through your hoops but just becuase the haven’t been at triple a doesn’t mean there not ready
Veras might be great you keep giving him chances until he his
White is a starter if they need one otherwise hes what they need him to be
YAY more mediocre relievers in the bullpen. GOOD WORK CASHMAN!!
Right on Doug. Anyone that questions Jeter is not a true fan.
DJ is king!
Jeter and fukodome will be awesome together.
Horne has never thrown an inning above AA. He’s hasn’t pitched in relief.
He also pitched very poorly at the end of the season last year in Trenton. Probably a tired arm but he didn’t end the year with a strong note.
His problem has always been control. He still walks a lot of hitters – even last year he was walking 3.3/9.
That is a big question regarding how he will do in the pen – there were games last year, particularly in the first inning when he didn’t have the feel for the ball at all. He walked a bunch of hitters before settling in.
That lack of sharpness is a problem for a starter. It’s a very big problem for a reliever coming in with men on base.
I like Horne a lot. I hope be becomes their 8th inning guy. But I don’t think you can assume he’s ready to pitch in the major leagues, never mind as a relief pitcher – a role that will be new to him.
Could be worse.
ESPN reports that they agreed to a 1 year deal.
Doug
December 9th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
GreenBeret7 – go back to rooting for the sox. How dare you question Jeter. Jeter was playing on one knee for most of the season and playoffs last year.
Oh, you are so knowledgeable sitting in front of your computer, stuffing your face with poptarts, and typing with your pudgy fingers venom against the greatest player of our lifetime. Knock it off.
__________________________________________________
Dougie, this has to be a joke. How many knee operations did Jeter and Matsui have? This wasn’t a knock on Jeter, but, more on the clowns that insist that Matsui is a detriment to the Yankees. Try looking up the stats.
And, James, that was a pathetic attempt at building up the reasons Jeter is so much better. Explain why he went almost 2 months (46 games) and only knocked in 12 runs? I think Jeter’s been a Hell of a HOF player these past 12 years, but, trust me, he’s far from perfect, nor, does he have any business being the Yankees Team Captain. Jeter is the captain of Team Jeter…his friends.
Hawkins is in.
Now we need a lefty…
Mahay?
Marte?
Sanchez?
You know, Okajima was the throw in in the Matsusaka deal…
Things have a way of working out.
good deal Cash, low risk high reward type deal
That Proctor-Betemit trade is looking worse and worse to me. He’s nothing special, but he is an innings eater and put up an ERA+ of 128 in 2006 and 124 in 2007. The Yankees could use a guy like that.
Nettles vs. Lee
Proctor was highly overrated at times and over used, his arm isn’t going to last anymore Torre or no Torre
A deal with Pittsburgh to get Marte is better than bringing Mahay is…a soft tossing lefty or a wild, inexperienced left hander like Sanchez? The Yanks have one of those named Henn.
Nevertheless, Proctor was still the second best pitcher in the Yankees pen (before Joba arrived). With the bullpen that the Yankees have, you can’t afford to be picky.
I didn’t read what GreenBeret said so I can’t agree or disagree, but I definitely disagree with Mike saying that anyone questioning Jeter is not a true fan. It’s unfair to be on every player’s ass for their poor performance, meanwhile Jeter hit into SO MANY double plays this post season, 2 of which were absolutely rally killing, and no one said a word about it. Makes me mad.
oh boy …I’m not even going to post stats on this one
Let’s assume that they can’t get Marte from the Pirates -
Do you overpay for Mahay or are you ok with no lefties in teh pen/ trolling through the scrap heap for a villone type?
I don’t know people are expecting. Hawkins costs us nothing except money to sign. He’s had some success in the AL, and he’s coming off of a pretty good season at Coors. Plus, you have to like how he’s a power arm. No one is going to be a Joba-type set-up man that we can get in FA, so stop acting like it! If he flops…he flops…we’ve made many worse signings then signing Hawkins for 3.75 million.
Cheaters, I mean Patriots, will definitely lose very soon,,,and IF they continue to pass so much AND run up the scores on teams, it WILL come back to bite them in he @$$ ! Nancy boys…ALL OF THEM !
I agree with you, 180. When they need a running game in the playoffs, they will find not a thing to fall back on.
Jesus..wonder what some of you people think about the pitching numbers of Gossage, Dick Raditz or Mike Marshall. Marshall had a high of 106 games and two others of over 90…innings of 215 and 179 and 142. Raditz had numbers nearly as high. Gossage had the same types of workloads, fewer games but 5 years over 100 innings as a closer. Strangely. Torre never managed these guys.
The Colts will take out the Pats. Book it.
Brandon-
Like your comment last night, pretty funny.
I’ll say this about Jeter if he was going to give Arod the cold shoulder and be such a baby about Alex in general he should have told the Yankees no when they asked him if it was okay to bring him in. Once he said yes he should actually embraced him as a member of the team and just pretended to.
If you want to get on a player for hitting the ball hard and making an out your watching the wrong sport. Thats baseball you do everything right as a hitter and its right at someone you do everything right as a pitcher and the ball is blooped over the infield. But Year after Year of trying to yank the ball off the corner into the seats and weakly grounding to second is a tradition I wish Matsui would give up.
Buddy Biancalana -
The Knicks inspired me
and just pretended to. I mean NOT just pretended to.
Andrea, the only thing that was sais was that Jeter hit into more than his share of DPs, in fact, lead the Yanks this year. I guess the worshippers are trying to erase that from the box scores.
Jonathon Sanchez is the next Felix Heredia. Definitely pass on that guy. I live in the Bay Area and watch Giants games all the time. There is good reason why SF is willing to trade him.
Another from the Bay Area, lots of us here now.
good point Nettles vs. Lee but didn’t SF give up Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano and Boof Bonser in a same trade…just saying that all
GreenBeret: yeah. I had issues with Jeter this year. I mean, he’s still an above average hitter and an above average SS. I get the “no range to his left” thing, but I’d still take him over Lugo, and I’d still take him over most shortstops in the game. And he’s still a great hitter. But if you’re going to fault A-Rod for choking the playoffs, which he really didn’t do much of this post-season, you have to also recognize that Jeter wasn’t so good.
Just bugs me.
Mr. GoodKat
December 9th, 2007 at 10:08 pm
The Colts will take out the Pats. Book it.
Just like the Colts did at Indianapolis this year during the regular season right??????
Brandon, I’ve seen Sanchez pitch. Lowrey and Sanchez are not worth Matsui. Sanchez has as much skill at throwing strikes as Bruney and Henn. Lowrey would be chew up in the AL. Sanchez has a 5.50 ERA in a pitchers park in the NL West. Not much impressive about that. I’d rather see Matsui and sit Giambi for the season…which will likely be the case anyway. He can’t stay healthy DHing. The only possible way I’d consider a deal like that is getting Dan Ortmeier added to the deal and find a place to flip Lowrey to…Mets or Atlanta for prospects. He’s strictly an NL pitcher.
Nettles-
How much does is suck that another year & the Yanks visit the Coliseum only once again, like the last couple years.
Andrea, I can list more than a handful of HOFers that had bad PS numbers, Ty Cobb, Ted Williams, Willie Mays. Mantle from the ’61 World Series thru the ’63 World Series had a 6-46 streak with 1 RBI and a .140 batting average. Look familiar?
The Patriots are an awesome team, give credit where credit is due.
Anyone who thinks that you can’t question Jeter has major issues…
Hey ray,
Last time I checked, the regular season is the….regular season. The playoffs are entirely different and the Colts were a play or two from winnning that game despite missing their star WR, their LT, two of their starting LB’s, etc.
“I had issues with Jeter this year. I mean, he’s still an above average hitter and an above average SS”
Jeter’s still an above average hitter for an SS, true. He’s a tolerable SS, he’s definitely not above average defensively.
This wasn’t intended to be a Jeter bash. My apologies that it seemed that way. Just clearing up the thought that Matsui is a DP machine. Only pointing to the team leader and #2 in the AL in that department, and, using the excuse that it was only because hit the ball hard is laughable at best.
I still question Jetes as a leader everyday
I’ll question him whenever the hell I want to, so there are now certain players we can’t question ?, it’s going to be a sad day when people watch Carmen Angelini take that SS position away from him.
GB7-
I hear you, I didn’t get that as a Jeter bashing from your comment at all.
Fox is reporting the LaTroy Hawkins deal has been completed.
Goodkat,
Very true that the playoffs are different from the regular season. Granted the Colts won the Superbowl last year, but in the last six or seven years who has performed better in the playoffs as a whole….the Colts or the Patriots. The Colts were missing some players when they played the Patriots but it was still at Indy. Playoffs will be at New England.
Colts will destroy the Patriots come playoff time.
You hear that Pete Abe???
1) You have no running game. That’s usually nice to have when the weather starts acting up in Foxboro.
2) You can’t defend the run.
The Patriots have turned into the Pre-SB Colts!
the Betemit trade was made to make sure the yankees were not left with a replacement level 3Bman in the case that A-Rod left.
it looks unnecessary now, but unfortunately the Yankees did not have the gift of hindsight we all now enjoy.
there was absolutely nothing on the market in terms of 3Bman after Mike Lowell, and the Yankees were being pro-active.
watch this ….(IMAGINE)
SF told you right now, I’ll give Cain, Brian Wilson and Tim Lincecum for Derek Jeter, would you do it ?
SIMPLE YES OR NO
GB: that’s my point. You can still like Jeter and want him on the team, yet acknowledge that he screwed up this season. It just annoys me that he gets a by from the fans and the media just for being Jeter. Unfortunately, some people will look at anything other than “OMG I love Jeter so much Captain Clutch hooray” as bashing Jeter.
whozat: throw stats at me if you want. I’ll take Jeter on my team than most Shortstops out there. I’ll admit he’s on a decline though, and he’ll have to be replaced soon. Unlike many people on this board.
Ray, and once again…I’ll point out how reversal of stadiums means nothing with the reversal of roles. The Pats have not shown they can run the ball, the Colts have. When it’s mud and snow in Foxborough who’s going to fare worse?
People who think that you can’t question Jeter are really saying that he is bigger than the team. That’s practically un-American.
Brandon
yesssssssssss
This is a terrible signing. Ive seen this guy blow more saves than girls on Hookers on the Point.2…
“This is a terrible signing. Ive seen this guy blow more saves than girls on Hookers on the Point.2…”
luckily he won’t be the closer.
it’s not a great signing, but its not terrible at all. it’s fine.
this is what the yankees should be doing with relievers: taking 1 year gambles on anyone with some upside.
Hawkins can be released mid-year and the yankees won’t blink.
1 year deals are great.
and no, they won’t keep running him out there if he stinks just b/c he makes decent money. Girardi is going to use the guys that perform.
have faith.
this is a fine signing. Hawkins is about as good as the Viz, but is cheaper. plus the Yankees get a sandwich pick from the Viz.
nice little maneuvering by the Yankees.
Thank you Doug about damn time some one said something !, see this is how I can tell who really gives a damn about the team, if I were to say Johan Santana, Francisco Liriano and Joe Nathan people still wait to answer it, or Justin Verlander,Joel Zumaya and Jeremy Bonderman for Jeter they still would take a week to answer it, not me at late 30′s, mid 20′s I’d still pack his bags
call me w/e the hell you want you don’t take this long to answer that question and don’t tell me you didn’t see it either LoHud posters
“it’s going to be a sad day when people watch Carmen Angelini take that SS position away from him.”
Carmen Angelini was not good enough to start for the Rice baseball team this upcoming season.
They had another recruit who was better than Angelini who was penciled in as the starter.
That’s part of the reason why Angelini signed with the yankees.
But now we can be sure that this 18 year old is going to make Jeter an afterthought?
The notion that you can’t question Jeter is ridiculous.
That said yankee fans who love to point out Jeter’s limited range and say things like he’s a “tolerable” shortstop must be watching another game.
Jeter had the 2nd highest OPS of any shortstop in the american league this past year despite playing on a bad knee.
The guy ahead of him – Carlos Guillen – an awful defensive shortstop. So bad they are moving his to first base.
Well Mr. Goodkat, those who have made predictions and guarantees about the Patriots losing have not fared very well this year so I guess we will just have to wait and see when the playoffs arrive. I grant you that Colts are looking good right now against the Ravens.
I’m not sure that given everything he means to the team and his all around play and hustle, if I’d take another shortstop over Jeter, but, everyone knows who the real team captains on that team would be and that’s Rivera and Posada. Jeter is no longer (player wise) the class of major league baseball. Right now, that has to go to Ramirez of Florida and Rollins, with Tulowitski moving up fast. Not sure if Reyes will ever get there, because he seems to interested in putting up numbers like steals, even when they mean nothing. He seems too immature even at age 24. He needs to start learning to play instead of just running on his talent. I think that was one of the things about Alex Rodriguez in his early years..his numbers were just pure talent. He’s lost a little of the pure talent edge and is getting smarter, which could make him as good as there has ever been.
CB: was Guillen one of the ones suspended for HGH use?
I don’t think we can’t really say much about Jeter and his captain-ness. I mean, I’m sure we’d all like him to be more outspoken, but we don’t know what happens in the lockerroom. We don’t know what he does when we can’t see what’s going on. Posada did get very captainy this season, though, especially since 78% of the roster was pitchers.
mlb.com reports the deal w/ Hawkins is done
Andrea,
No he wasn’t. You may be thinking of Jose Guillen? He’s the mediocre, malcontent outfielder the Royals just signed as a free agent to a 3 yr $30 million + deal.
He’s tested positive and will be suspended for the first 15 games of 2008.
Andrea it’s not even because of the pitchers, case in point Melky Cabrera and Robi Cano didn’t take off until Alex Rodriguez took them under his wing, for a captain like Jeter I would think he would do more in practices to help there cause instead of echo “THIS ISN’T THE SAME TEAM” loss after loss, it’s things like that w/ him that urks me
Andrea, I keep going back to a game a couple of years ago on a play at third on a pop up to third. Rodriguez is 10 feet from third ready to catch it, and Jeter bumps into him, causing the ball to fall out of Rodriguez’ glove. At know time should the team captain stand there with his hands on his hips glaring at a player, especially since he caused it. Naturaly, Rodriguez got the error, and everyone boos. At the end of the inning, Jeter walks past Rodriguez tossing out another glare. The first time I’ve ever seen Jeter start at the press box was late in the game when they changed the error from Rodriguez to Jeter. That’s when I realized just how petty and phoney Jeter can be, also. A team captain would have ended this crap years ago. As much as Munson disliked Jackson, it really wasn’t so much the remarks in the papers as it was the lack of effort and showboating that got to Munson. The one thing rthat can never be said was that Rodriguez didn’t go full out on every play of every game. That’s all I care about in a player. Effort.
If you neutralize Hawkins’s statistics last year, his WHIP was 1.105 and his ERA was mid-2.0′s. Not a bad gamble.
GB7 what’s your take on SFG Henry Sosa or Sergio Romo ?
“case in point Melky Cabrera and Robi Cano didn’t take off until Alex Rodriguez took them under his wing, ”
He also didn’t bother to even tell either one of them he was opting out of his contract before he did.
Jeter may not be the type of rah rah captain people want but, please, let’s not make ARod out into some major team player.
The deal with Rodriguez working with the kids like cabrera and cano would never have been known if not for them mentioning it. He’s the one that those two look up to. Rodriguez and Abreu.
By the way..was anybody aware that Cano’s wather signed his first contract with the Yankees as a pitcher in 1980. Makes Cano a legacy.
just wait till you hear that whole story you’ll see
that’s **father** not wather.
Hawkins is horrible and the only way signing him is a good move is if the alternative was Jose Mesa or Arthur Rhodes.
For those with short memories, our bullpen last year before Joba came up was horrible. As of right now, next year’s is worse.
But at least Cashman is saving the team money. Knowing Hank and Hal have a few extra mil socked away will make me feel a whole lot better in August while I’m drinking piss warm $8 beers and watching Ohlendorf and Veras flush away the season.
To those of you who are not spending this week in the hell of finals, umm, consider yourself lucky.
Very lucky.
*information overload*
Julio Mateo anyone?
I guess Jetes diving head first into the stands when A-Rod stood by and watched is not effort enough. You guys are full of it.
Rebekka, i hear you. law school finals suck
“just wait till you hear that whole story you’ll see”
Please no! How many more ARod stories do we need to hear.
Part of what makes being Yankee captain such a challenge right now is that ARod is one of the most melodramatic athletes in modern sports history.
No more hand wringing, psycho-analyzing ARod monologues.
He opted out in the 4th game of the world series without telling any of his teammates who he kept claiming he loved so much during the year.
He is who he is. The best player in baseball and an utter phoney as a person who is always going to create a media circus around himself.
LOL @ the Jeter bashing. Let it go, people.
Oneil called jeter the best teamate he ever had. I bet all you foolios know Jeter better than oneil.
Its finally time to clear up the 40 man roster:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=342kERaP2y0
GB7 yeh I know SP Joselito Cano but he debuted in Houston, you know his father’s last naame is Soriano
so it really should have been Robinson Cano Soriano instead of Robinson Jose Cano
Oh great another mediocre middle reliever 35+ just what we need .. 10 RP’s to blow leads after Pettite holds the opposition to -2 runs.
Great Job Yanks, keep the trades coming..
Brandon, I don’t know enough about the Giants farm kids to make a judement. I only know the ones that have come up during the season anmd watched them. If this ill-advised Matsui trade goes down, I hope they hold out to get Ortmeier added to the deal. As long as they can at least move Lowery to another team and get young prospects for him, they, that’s better than keeping him.
What kind of contract is Mateo looking for?
All of these middle relievers seem like the same player.
Jeter has made a number of great plays. Isn’t that what he gets paid to do? He also has limitations. If you can’t see that, you’re running on empty.
what the hell is that ?
I don’t know what type of contract Mateo’s looking for. Just saw his name on the free agent list. Had some good years with the Seattle before he got with the Phillies. Maybe a minor league deal. IDK.
People like E-Roc and hert need to realize that this isn’t a Jeter hate. Just stating that he isn’t God. And, he’s certaily not an innocent bystander. A stupid, ill’advised article from 7 years ago should be dropped . They’d better look at a common goal…winning.
Hi
I am Matsui.
I have full no trade clause.
Trade me to SFG and get Tim Lincecum from there.
LOL
E-Roc,
It’s not a bad idea. This pen is going to be all about maximizing options and seeing what shakes out.
All of this Santana drama and the team’s biggest single problem is the same this year as it was all last year – the pen.
The starting rotation will be stronger if only because all of that igawa/ clippard/wright/desalvo nonsense that made up like 20% of their starts won’t be the case this year.
The pen right now looks worse.
Jeter never had to be a leader in any clubhouse O’Neil was in. He may have been named Captain but he was still a rookie in a room full of veterans who needed no “captaining”.
IMO, how he deals with the kids and the new comers is a better indication of how good a captain he is and from everything written, it sounds like Mo is the guy who fills that role the best.
E-ROC you do know Julio Mateo is wife beater and choked her out too, I doubt NY embraces that
Let’s the Yanks sign LaTroy Hawkins then Ron Mahay to complement Rivera and Farnsworth. They have these 20 candidates to fill only 3 slots (assuming a likely 7-man bullpen): Ohlendorf, Ramirez, Albaladejo, DeSalvo, Karstens,
Rasner, Henn, Sanchez, Cox, Melancon, Igawa, Bruney, Veras,
Horne, Marquez, Patterson, Britton, Beam, Wright, and White
PLUS whoever they sign to minor-league contracts. I would think/ hope the Yanks don’t need to bring anyone from the outside via trade to fill the 3 slots after Rivera, Hawkins, Mahay, and Farnsworth, but if they have to, they have plenty to trade.
…Ok, this is way too depressing for me.
Could their ethnicity have anything to do with this?
I mean when you don’t speak the same language as a person it is really kind of hard to communicate with them.
And please stop acting as though Jeter campaigned to be the captain.
“E-ROC you do know Julio Mateo is wife beater and choked her out too, I doubt NY embraces that”
On second thought, let’s drop that Mateo idea. That’s awful.
raymagnetic, they know enough english don’t be fooled
You do realize that Jeter was named captain in 2003 right? O’neil was already retired.
No on Julio Mateo. NYY doesn’t need the added BS of a hot head like Mateo. About 2 years ago he was suspended by the Mariners for 10 games and demoted for beating up his wife and putting her in the hospital in NY. The first bad game and the fans would crucify him…especially Yankee and Red sox fans.
Brandon I’m sure they know enough English. However I’m sure they’re more comfortable around their latino brethren.
Yeh my guess is he will never wear a Yankee uni
I’m waiting for another idiot come up with “The Yankees haven’t won since Rodriguez has been on the Yankees”.
yup.. for some reason I don’t see it in the crystal ball
“Jeter had the 2nd highest OPS of any shortstop in the american league this past year despite playing on a bad knee.”
What does any of that have to do with his play at SS? Like I said…defensively, a team can tolerate him at SS – because his bat is so good.
There will come a time in the not too distant future where his bat will no longer outweigh his poor range at SS and they’ll need to figure out what to do. Hopefully, it won’t take them two years to bite the bullet like it did with Bernie.
“Brandon I’m sure they know enough English. However I’m sure they’re more comfortable around their latino brethren.”
Seriously…I mean, if you need to go to someone for advice or something…wouldn’t you go to someone to whom you can explain yourself in your native tongue?
There’s a bunch of kids in my lab that are from other countries. They know plenty of english, plenty enough to carry on conversations, discuss their work, etc etc. But…they still gravitate into little communities that all speak the same language.
Whoa,
I’m not discounting A-Rod’s leadership qualities. What I’m saying is that Cano/Melky look up to A-Rod/Abreu and I think it’s partly because of their ethnicity. I think it’s great that A-Rod has taken them under his wing.
I don’t think it’s fair to Jeter how people question his leadership skills simply because all of the younger players don’t look up to him and they look up to A-Rod or someone else.
Julio Mateo reminds me of good ‘ol Luis Polonia, who had not one, not two, but three tours of duty with Yankees.
From wiki:
Sex with minor
On August 16, 1989, Polonia was arrested in his Milwaukee hotel room for having sexual intercourse with a 15-year-old girl. In October 1989, he pleaded no contest to a charge of having sexual intercourse with a minor and was sentenced to 60 days in jail
whozat, it’s not about language here, this is more to do w/ him as a contributer to the team, actually taking 2 -3 seconds of your day to help someone along, unfortunately he didn’t, and I’m sorry I’ve seen this alot in baseball, Cliff Floyd took Jose Reyes and David Wright under his wing, Griffey took Alex, Jetes had Darryl , Melky, Robi had no one until one day in midseason when Alex took them under his wing, it was Bobby but even Bobby’s work ethic was in question at the beginning of the season, there are things that if you knew would shock you, Mariano took Viz and Proctor and Ramirez and Joba, there is really no excuse here..it’s about giving a damn to help while you can
Buddy Biancalana he must have thought he was in D.R. that’s the only excuse I can make
“t was Bobby but even Bobby’s work ethic was in question at the beginning of the season, there are things that if you knew would shock you,”
Um…and you know these things, I assume?
Sure.
Brandon-
Bernie had Mell Hall, he really helped him out.
I don’t know if Jeter interacts well with the young players or not. I hope he does, because that’s the direction the team is going in, and it seems pretty clear that most players look up to him.
My problem with Jeter’s leadership is that he wasn’t as supportive of A-Rod when he was being harassed by some fans, some Sox players, and the media as he was of Giambi when he had the ‘roid issues.
I hate it when things come down to Jeter vs A-Rod. This isn’t 2000 where Yankee fans have to defend Jeter’s honor and stats against Nomar and A-Rod for who’s the best player.
They both play for the team you all like to root for now so just appreciate them for the skill set they can bring to the stadium everyday to make the team better. There’s no need to villify one to pump up the other.
Alex Rodriguez is the face of the Yankees, not Derek Jeter. Anyone who thinks otherwise is blinded by the past.
that classless S.O.B.
Can’t you all just be happy for once?
I mean, dude, Pavano is OFF the roster.
That’s sheer joy enough to make me completely not worried about finals tomorrow.
A-Rod vs Jeter. When will it end?
Ah, Those were the days, cramming for finals and , pulling all nighters……..I have a feeling you’ll do quite well
GreenBeret7 it’s not laughable a good ab is one in which the player hits the ball hard. Jeter has good ab’s, he does this consistently. Matsui has terrible ab’s. He hits slop consistently and has a two week period here and there were he hits 9 homers and drives in 35.
Pat: I’ve got a 3.5…so well, yes, but as good as I should be doing? Not quite.
forget GB7 I don’t even know how to respond to this one
Rebecca – this too shall pass!
I had to bust my rump just to achieve a 3.2 when it was all said and done……Oh by the way, I was on the 5 year plan…..
College is a dim memory, and most of law school is a blur . . . I guess that’s what parenthood will do to a person.
Rebecca-
Bill Gates doesn’t even have a college degree.
Yanks sign RHP Dan Giese, just read it on Chad Jennings’ blog. Theres another RHP to throw in to the mix to try and make the bullpen.
That and the drugs. (j/k)
Brandon (Proud supporter of “ALEX BEING ALEX”)
December 10th, 2007 at 12:35 am
Matsui has terrible ab’s. He hits slop consistently and has a two week period here and there were he hits 9 homers and drives in 35.
forget GB7 I don’t even know how to respond to this one
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I’m not going to worry about this one-track mind one Jimmy Boy’s. Maybe I should just agree that there’s never been a player greater than Jeter and worse than Matsui, just so he’ll shut up and go jump into his Jeter Jammies. I can see him pattering down the hallway, now Little Jeter slippers on..the ones with the little Jeter heads on them, like the bunny slippers.
*giggles* My parents will disown me if I don’t finish…and possibly even if I don’t finish cum laude. (I need a 3.4 for that…most of my friends have 3.6 or 3.8 GPAs and I pale in comparison)
The part I hate most about finals is the awful times they schedule them…
tomorrow i have one at 2.45 and one at 5, and then Friday I have one at 7.15 (but none in between)!
Am going to sleep, last one to leave, please turn out the light. Y’all left it on last night.
Rebecca these finals sure taking a toll on you
My hatred for you is growing, Brian Cashman.
Another horrible move. Is this the best you could do? LaTroy Freaking Hawkins? OK, maybe 10 years ago on a 1-year deal.
I’m tellin’ you guys … we’ll be lucky to be .500 with this Motley Crew!
I am NOT liking what I am seeing with this roster!
overreacting again
Latroy Hawkins 1 yr keyword: (1 YR)
plus Girardi knows him and probably asked for him, remember Girardi was calling those FOXS pregames and had an eye on Colorado’s pitchers for awhile.
Hawkins signing reported on ESPN. Two more guys need to come off the 40 Man.
Plus Hawkins at one year is better than the Viz at 3years.
RosterRooster-
Man I was gonna post that Dan Giese guy.At least some news.
Hawkins will rediscover his 2005 mojo when he arrives in Tampa in feb. rolls around, when catchers & pitchers report….All 50 of them…..
is anyone at all concerned with the fact this is the same roster that washed out last year, and the year before with the exception of the kid pitchers who are on limited innings ?
I see these kids being the core of the rotation at just about the time Jeter, Matsui, Posada, Damon,Mo etc….are all on their way over the hill….old position roster with young pitchers
GB7 I actually don’t like Jeter. When the Yankees became thee thing in 1996 all the girls in NYC started to pretend to be Yankee fans and the only player they knew was Jeter it made me not like him. The fact that he got to much credit for them winning (not his fault) made me hate him. I stopped hating him a few years ago but I still don’t like him. I do recognize that he’s great and he’s better than Matsui who I do like and don’t want traded to SF. I just want Hideki to be more consistent and take the ball away and go the other way with it. Bernie Williams led the League in Double Plays a lot. He did so becuase he hit the ball so hard that when it was at someone he had no chance to beat it out. Bernie was even more what Jeter is reported to be and that is a clutch hitter. The fact that he hit into a lot of Double Plays doesn’t take away from that. Matsui is not Bernie or Jeter, He’s not as good and He’s frustrating when he kills rallies with weak toppers to second. When Jeter hits a bullet to second the game itself is frustrating not the player who did his job. Now I know you don’t understand this, Ive read what you wrote and your not capable of grasping it so in your frustration you lash out and try to put others down. So for Christmas Ive written the wisdom above for you to memorize. Then at parties you can repeat it to your friends who will be impressed. Then stand close enough from that you can hear the whisper “wow gb7 really knows his baseball now, he used to be so stupid”
Are you all drinking the same Kool-Aid as Cashman?
Hawkins was just in the AL East in 2006 and finished with a 4.48 ERA and 27 strikeouts in 60 1/3 innings for Baltimore. Last season, he fanned 29 in 55 1/3 innings for the Rockies. In his career, he has ERAs of 6.45 versus Baltimore, 5.79 versus Boston, 4.53 versus Toronto and 4.43 versus Tampa Bay. His best WHIP against any of the four teams is a 1.47 mark.
Cashman
The Yankees have made moves that you weren’t sure if Cashman made until last year. Steinbrenner either interfered or went around Brian and signed players himself. 2 examples. He signed fat David Wells behind Cashman’s back. Which gave the team 6 high salaried starters, you can have 6 or more starters but High salaried ones demand playing time, something has to give and it kind of doomed Jose Contreras and after a bad game against the Mets he demanded that the left handed, Red Sox killing pitcher Ted Lilly be traded. He was for intergalactic stiff Jeff Weaver. Brian’s been blamed for the Weaver trade but he never would have shopped Lilly in the first place had George not forced him too.
Which gets to my next point. Even if Cashman seemed responsible for a move or stood in front of the press and portrayed that he and the rest of the organization were 100 percent behind a decision we knew that this was his pr aspect of the job. We never knew what decisions he was responsible for or what decisions he disagreed with.
Hawkins is his decision. And what a terrible one it is. For the first time we can see what we’ve suspected and feared. Brian Cashman is a very dangerous man. He doesn’t know pitching and he can’t put a pitching staff together. We need a pitching Tsar. Cashman will be allowed to do everything else but someone else needs to be making the decisions on the pitching.
Yeah, Jimmy Boy. Nothing like the inconsistencies of a .285-.300 BA, 20-25 homer 100 RBI 100 Run Scored bum to annoy a true fan. 4 out of 5 years…the gall of that bum…why not 7 years out of 5. That’s consistency.
Stop overreacting to the LaTroy Hawkins deal. It’s a one year deal for $3.75 million. He isn’t an a-hole like Farnsdearth and doesn’t show up his team in a middle of a game like Farnsdearth and Bruney.
I didn’t know that it is Jeter’s fault that the media gives him too much credit. What a concept.
Hawkins sucks
I wish this blog had polling functionality. How many here would rate the 2007 regular season as a disaster? I’m surprised when I see that characterization here.
I saw:
-a horrible April/May (injuries, slumpls, etc.)
-best team in baseball more than half the year
-Wang (twice) and Clemens pitching poorly in ADS, with no one hitting (except maybe Cano and Damon).
So what should you do if you’re Cashman?
-maintain the core
-get younger/better in SP and RP with lots of backup options.
Do you think that the SP we’d bring to the playoffs has a good chance to be better than 2007?
I think Pettitte, Joba, Hughes, Wang could be a dominant foursome if managed right (i.e., not burned out, Wang pitches playoffs in YS, etc.).
Thoughts?
On Hawkins, I think Mike and others have it right: it’s a low risk/high reward signing.
Hawkins throws ~a straight fastball~ like Farnsworth,do we need another,I’d rather have the Viz.