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Hot stove mailbag No. 2

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 11, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

mailbox.jpgThe Monday mailbag worked well. So well that a bunch of other people wrote in with more questions. So here we go again:

Ron writes: Does the Matsui/Giants talk really have any life to it, and if so what’s your opinion on the likelihood of something happening? Would it simply be for a bullpen piece like Sanchez and a prospect or is there a possibility someone like Cain could come back. Assuming they did a deal such as this, would it be a pre-cursor to revisiting Santana or would they keep a Sanchez/Cain?

Answer: There is something to it but I doubt the Yankees would part with a productive player for a reliever like Sanchez. They would want Cain. Brian Sabean wants a hitter but he’s not stupid. If a deal gets done with the Giants, I don’t think it would then lead to Santana. They’re against the idea of a long-term deal for any pitcher or trading Phil Hughes.

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Mike writes: Does signing Hawkins make it more or less likely that they Yankees will also go after Ron Mahay? Does Mussina have a full no-trade clause? What about Octavio Dotel? Is there any interest there on either side? What about Doug Mientkiewicz, any chance he comes back?

Answers: Probably less, yes, no, no.

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Fred writes: What are the implications if someone is taken off the 40 man? Is it automatic waivers or can they invoke an option if they have one?

Answer: A player taken off the 40-man is designated for assignment. That means the team has 10 days to trade, release or pass him through waivers. Options don’t apply in this case.

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Gloria writes: Do you have any idea when the contracts for A-Rod and Mariano will be finalized and the announcement made?

Answer: The Yankees move in mysterious ways. The Tigers and Marlins pulled off a six-player deal and announced it the next day. The Yankees agreed to terms with Alex on Nov. 15 and still haven’t announced it. At this point, it has become anti-climatic.

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Tony in St. Louis writes: Since the Yankees are in need of a first baseman and to clear some roster spots why hasn’t anyone suggested a trade with St. Louis that would send the Cardinals Wilson Betemit, Shelley Duncan, Darrell Rasner and either Matt DeSalvo or Jeff Karstens for Scott Rolen. Rolen could certainly make the transition to first and that may keep him from being so injury prone.

Answer: Are you a Cardinals fan, Tony? While I applaud the idea of sending four marginal players for one potentially good one, I doubt the Cardinals would agree. Rolen would be an interesting pickup is only see how a new team would change him. But he’s expensive ($36 million over the next three years) and has a full no-trade clause. So he’d want to get paid to move.

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Peter writes: With the rotation six deep (assuming no trade,) there certainly are no immediate spots there for the Yankees better young arms after Joba, Hughes and Kennedy. Do you see anyone out of the group of Horne, Edwar Ramirez, Ohlendorf, Melancon, Humberto Sanchez or anyone else filling a spot in the bullpen? I know none of them have Joba’s stuff, but it seems like after Hawkins, Farnsworth and perhaps a Mahay signing/deal for Jonathan Sanchez, etc. to find a lefty, the ‘pen is going to be filled internally. Can you handicap who is the most likely to help out there?

Answer: Horne needs more time in the minors. Melancon and Sanchez are still getting over their injuries. I think Ohlendorf will get a serious look in camp. My sleeper is Jose Veras. He’s throwing really well in the Dominican Winter League.

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Chrissa writes: I keep reading that the Yankees will probably cut Carl Pavano but sign to a minor league contract for insurance purposes. What are “insurance purposes”?

Answer: Teams often insure (at high cost) their long-term contracts. They can then recoup some money if the player gets injured. In most cases, the player has to stay on the roster for the team to get compensated. That happened with Mo Vaughn (Mets), Albert Belle (Orioles) and apparently is the case with Pavano. Either that or he has some sort of evidence that Brian Cashman committed a grisly crime.

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Jon writes: I wonder if you could help me out with this one. A friend of mine wondered why the Yankees didn’t just add a bunch of cash to the proposed Santana deal they were working on. I thought MLB had a dollar limit on trades.

Answer: It wasn’t the cash Minnesota wanted, it was the prospects. Teams are flush with revenue, so cash isn’t really a problem. There is no dollar limit in trades but anything over a $1 million has to be approved by the commissioner.

 
 

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132 Responses to “Hot stove mailbag No. 2”

  1. Ben December 11th, 2007 at 3:35 am

    Wow Pete you’re really working hard. Thank you very much.

  2. E-ROC December 11th, 2007 at 3:42 am

    Pete, how many hours of sleep do u get on a daily basis?

  3. DC$ December 11th, 2007 at 4:01 am

    Should be studying for finals… That was a nice distraction HA

  4. darth daddy December 11th, 2007 at 5:08 am

    pete does not sleep at all. just some thought… angels are looking for some protection for vlad. howabout swinging some sort of deal w/ giambi to the california, er, anaheim, er, los angeles angels? the 40 man roster will complicate matters of course, but i would be looking to build the number of prospects the yanks have as well as lop some salary off in order to possibly facilitate some sort of deal for johan (w/o having to sacrifice phil or joba of course). any deal sending matsu to the west coast would be done for the same reason, although i love matsu. he is the epitome of class. he is the strong, stalwart sort of person. he seems to have a nice persona. i would be sad to see him go.

  5. E-ROC December 11th, 2007 at 5:27 am

    darth daddy–While trading Giambi to the Angels is possible, it probably won’t happen. Giambi has said in the past that he doesn’t want to be traded and would use his no-trade clause to make sure that it doesn’t. Plus, Vlad will be the primary DH for the Angels because the injuries are starting to take it’s toll on his body. So I don’t see it happening.

  6. BWH December 11th, 2007 at 5:46 am

    Good Morning, All. I hope that I’m not negatively impacting some form of decorum, but I wanted to continue that Igawa discussion (from the last thread). I’m a big fan of the guy. His issue was not his stuff, it was his head. He’s a great pitcher that was not mentally prepared for the Bronx, so he left all his pitches up in the zone – as he pitched poorly, his pitches kept on getting a bit higher. He’s got great stuff, but he needs support to get his head screwed on straight and to develop the thick skin needed for NY.

    There is a market for him because his stuff is good. Pete’s right – a big park in a smaller market would be great for him (just like it usually is for most pitchers), but I think that he can do well in NY. He’s got a lot to prove this year, let’s give him a chance to do it. Anyway, for us to sell low on him for some sort of reliever would be absolutely insane.

  7. JRVJ December 11th, 2007 at 7:07 am

    Pete,

    Thank you for your previous post.

    I just wanted to comment taht I disagree with your statement that the Yanks are against giving a long term contract to a pitcher (i.e, Santana).

    Yes, I know Cashman got burned with Pavano, but if Santana is available as a FA next off-season, I’m positively convinced that the Yankees will offer him a large, long term contract.

    The way I interpret the Santana discussions, Cashman is against trading most of his young, cheap pitching/players for a pitcher the Yanks will still have to pay dearly.

  8. YankeeBaseball December 11th, 2007 at 7:25 am

    Trade Igawa to San Diego for prospects. The guy will NEVER do well as a Yankee. He has a weak mental makeup; can’t handle the pressure. Further, he lives UP in the zone (always has, always will) and that is a recipe for disaster in the AL. Why the Yankee “Scouts” didn’t see this is mind boggling. ???

  9. Doug December 11th, 2007 at 7:50 am

    No way the Yanks do this deal without getting Cain or the other stud. Matsui has more value then Sanchez. They dont have anything in the minors that should intrest the Yanks

  10. Kill-Schill(ing) December 11th, 2007 at 8:15 am

    If trading Matsui is not a precursor to revisiting a Santana trade and/or the Yankees cannot obtain Cain– Carl Pavano has a better chance of pitching for the Yankees this year than Matt Cain– then I can’t understand why the Yankees would make this deal.

    Another injury to Giambi would leave A-Rod as the only source of power in their line-up. Do the Yankees want to become the Angels?

  11. defense matters December 11th, 2007 at 8:17 am

    screw cain go for lincecum his k/9 and BB/9 are better then cain and he throws harder. lincecum would be my choice

  12. Mitch December 11th, 2007 at 8:30 am

    Igawa should have spent a minimum of 2 weeks in a Fall League to take an interest in solving his strike zone problems. The Yankees should not waste valuable time with Igawa in spring training and taking innings away from a high ceiling prospect.
    Dave Eiland and Nardi Contreras saw enough of him at AAA in ’07 to evaluate quickly whether he should be in plans or cut bait with him altogether.

  13. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 11th, 2007 at 8:35 am

    I think they should just trade him now.

    I wonder if whoever recommended this signing is still with the team? Couldn’t they see that he was getting the hitters out over there with a high fastball, and know that major league hitters would crush him?

  14. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 11th, 2007 at 8:36 am

    This has to go down as one of the most ill conceived signings by the Yankees. It was a panic move to counter the fact that the Red Soxs got Dice K. It was stupid.

  15. TurnTwo December 11th, 2007 at 8:46 am

    If Fukudome doesnt sign with the Padres, SD is going to be in desperate need for a corner OF.

    Just kind of thinking out loud here, but why not try and package together Matsui and Igawa for Chase Headley and a couple of arms (bullpen or minor leaguers).

    Headley, one of the best 3B prospects in the game, could then be the center of a package to send to the Twins for Johan.

  16. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 11th, 2007 at 8:46 am

    The Yankees are expected to officially announce Mariano Rivera’s three-year, $45 million deal today. Alex Rodriguez’s record-setting 10-year, $275 million pact likely will be announced at the end of the week.

    So who will be off the 40 man?

  17. Jax December 11th, 2007 at 9:05 am

    I agree with Pete if some how the Yankees got Cain or Lincecum they would keep them for themselves. Santana doesn’t appear to be going anywhere so he’ll likely become a FA next year. Just sign him then.

  18. MarkK December 11th, 2007 at 9:08 am

    TurnTwo…

    It’s a neat idea, but we’d better talk to the Twins first. The Yanks do not need an extra, expensive, extra-expensive third baseman.

  19. Yankee Trader December 11th, 2007 at 9:26 am

    1. Cain 2. Lincecum 3. Reliever Brian Wilson
    These are the only 3 pitchers, in this order in my opinion, the Giants have that have true upside and should be requested in a Matsui deal. The Giants don’t even have a hitter who had more than 20 homers. They should be desperate for hitters, unless they expect to win all their games 1-0 or 2-1!!

    BWH-Igawa is not a great pitcher. His fastball, even in the tapes I saw of him when in Japan, barely reaches 90, and it’s always high in the strike zone. Now if he could bring it at 95 that’s another story. His only major league pitch is his changeup, and Edwar Ramirez has a better one. I’m sorry, but the only reason we got him was in reaction to losing Dice-K to the Sox.

  20. Flam December 11th, 2007 at 9:32 am

    Pete,

    good job and all on the Hot Stove but seriously, but even answer if you are going to black ball the questions with “Answers: Probably less, yes, no, no”

  21. Yankee Trader December 11th, 2007 at 9:35 am

    If we were able to get Cain, my first choice, and put his 200 innings in the starting rotation with 1.Pettitte 2. Wang. 3.Cain 4.Joba 5.Hughes that would be a solid 5 against any team.

    Then, would Mussina accept a trade back to Baltimore, lets say for a salary dump like Kevin Millar-salary 2.75M for 1st base or even Melvin Mora-salary 7.758M and move him to 1st? I don’t think that Mussina has much left, as most of his wins late in the season came against the KC’s and other lesser teams. Would Angelos take him back?

  22. ray December 11th, 2007 at 9:39 am

    I know you may never see this kind of post on this blog again but this is a Red Sox fan defending Brian Cashman in at least one respect against criticism from Yankee fans. Yes indeed….very strange I know! In regard to Carl Pavano everyone in the universe agrees he has been a disaster, but who could have predicted that. The season before he signed with the Yankees he won 18 games and pitched over 220 innings. I don’t know how many games he won the year before but he again pitched over 200 innings. The Red Sox were competing with the Yankees to sign him and I will be honest in saying that at the time I was disappointed when he signed with the Yankees. I don’t think there was a single person at the time that could have predicted what was going to happen with Pavano, so why would anyone expect Cashman to be able to predict the future.

  23. raymagnetic December 11th, 2007 at 9:41 am

    “Pete,

    good job and all on the Hot Stove but seriously, but even answer if you are going to black ball the questions with “Answers: Probably less, yes, no, no”

    Please translate what you are trying to say into English.

  24. Mauro December 11th, 2007 at 9:50 am

    Anybody worried about which Yankees will appear on the Mitchell Report?

  25. Bennytrader December 11th, 2007 at 9:50 am

    Ray,

    I understood what Pete was saying fine. Your post, on the other hand, could have used translation.

  26. BWH December 11th, 2007 at 9:51 am

    Yankee Trader – You’re right about Igawa’s fastball, but that is not his strength. I watched the guy in Japan – he’s had control issues throughout his career, but when he’s on, he IS great. He’s got a deceptive delivery (which is wasted when he leaves it high and the middle of the strikezone), and his speed varies enough to keep people offbalance.

    He had about .8 strikeouts per inning last year – he also had a huge number of walks (for the number of innings pitched). Other teams are going to try to buy extremely low on him – it really wouldn’t be the smartest thing for us to do.

    Igawa was also, from the beginning, envisioned as a back-of-the-rotation guy. Cashman knew this. Everyone knew this. I think keep him in the bullpen for long relief and spot starts. He’s got talent – we really shouldn’t give up on him yet.

  27. Yankee Trader December 11th, 2007 at 9:52 am

    ray- You’re right. In 2003 Pavano pitched 201 inning with an ERA of 4.30 and a 12-13 record for the Marlins, but in the playoffs that year he was 2-0 with an ERA of 1.40 as a starter pitching 19.1 innings , allowing no homers and striking out 15, with only 3 BB. This playoff record [his only time in the playoffs] plus his 2004 Marlins year looked like his career had turned the corner, and he was still young. The only way to get him was for a 4 year deal, so therefore I don’t criticize Cashman or the Yankees for that one.

  28. Jack December 11th, 2007 at 9:52 am

    How often do people trade cash at $999,999 I wonder.

  29. rodg12 December 11th, 2007 at 9:53 am

    Answering a reader mailbag at 3 A.M. = serious dedication or serious sleeping disorder. Which is it Pete ;) In all seriousness, love the blog, keep up the good work. Now my number 1 source for all things Yankees related.

  30. Yankee Trader December 11th, 2007 at 9:56 am

    BWH- I agree that we should not give him away either since we’ve already invested some 30M in him up to now. San Diego had interest in him, and they do have some very good relief pitchers. I just don’t see Igawa as an effective long or short relief pitcher, as he too often runs the counts to 3-2 even when ahead with 2 strikes.

  31. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 11th, 2007 at 9:57 am

    Ray any rational fan realizes that the “glass ass” Was a good signing at the time. No one could have predicted that he would be afraid to take the mound, and would have zero work ethic (re: trainer in AZ not wanting him back, because of lack of ework ethic). I think 6 teams wanted him, with at least the Tigers offering more, too bad for the Yankees he choose a smaller contract.

    Did you hear that he didn’t realize that his contract was 39.99 million, he fired his agent, he thought he was getting 40 million. Shows that he is a huge idiot.

  32. rodg12 December 11th, 2007 at 9:59 am

    Honestly, I don’t care one iota about the Mitchell Report. Glorified witch hunt if they name any names. There is no way they will be able to accurately describe how pervasive PEDs were (maybe are) in the game at that time. None of the big names talked, they don’t have hard evidence in most cases. I just don’t see the point of stepping back into the past when baseball should have just come out and said “hey, this was a problem, we all had a hand in dropping the ball on this one. But, we’re going to leave it in the past and move forward with our testing program.”

  33. BWH December 11th, 2007 at 9:59 am

    jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge – Wow, that story about Pavano firing his agent isn’t substantiated, is it? I mean, what’s the source for that?

  34. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 11th, 2007 at 10:00 am

    BWH 50 million IS a lot to give to a back of the rotation guy.

  35. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 11th, 2007 at 10:01 am

    BWH I heard and read it last year.

  36. raymagnetic December 11th, 2007 at 10:02 am

    Bennytrader,

    I also understood what Pete was saying. “My Post” is actually a cut and paste of what Flam posted. I have no idea what he is trying to say.

  37. ray December 11th, 2007 at 10:02 am

    Jennifer,
    I did not know that about Pavano’s trainer and his agent! Amazing.

  38. BWH December 11th, 2007 at 10:03 am

    You’re right about the $50 million. I think that the rationale for that was that the posting fee isn’t included in the luxury tax assessment, so it was water under the bridge. Do you remember last year’s market for pitching? Bone dry. Check out Gil Meche’s contract (which almost looks like a wise move on the Royale’s part) for a reminder.

  39. Yankee Trader December 11th, 2007 at 10:04 am

    Our bullpen, save for Rivera, doesn’t throw ahead in the count. What got us into trouble last year that often the 1st batter got on on a walk and the Viz, or Farsworth, or Bruney or Henn, the list goes on and on- the Yankee lead at the time turned into a loss. Rivera even blew 3 games for Pettitte last year, so therefore I hope that we can fix the bullpen, and maybe Joba should stay there, if we can get Cain from the Giants, even though I think he would succeed as a starter, and eventually could be a #1.

  40. whozat December 11th, 2007 at 10:05 am

    “BWH 50 million IS a lot to give to a back of the rotation guy.”

    Yeah, but when half of it is not subject to lux tax, and the result is a 27 year old lefty signed at 4 mil per for five years I think it’s a decent risk to take. If he showed the ability to be that back-of-the-rotation guy, that’s a very valuable commodity.

    It’s not like paying Igawa has kept them from doing other things.

  41. BWH December 11th, 2007 at 10:05 am

    I don’t think that I buy that story about Pavano. I don’t doubt that you read it, but I’d really like to read the source on that. I’d love to believe it, but it just doesn’t sound true to me.

  42. murphydog December 11th, 2007 at 10:15 am

    I also read about Pavano firing his agent over the $39, not $40 mil deal. But not true, maybe, after all. But really… WHO CARES anymore?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03.....ref=slogin

  43. Mike R. December 11th, 2007 at 10:17 am

    “Pavano fired his last agent, Scott Shapiro, after learning that the total value of his Yankees contract was $39.95 million, not $40 million.”

    http://tinyurl.com/33lwnr

  44. pat December 11th, 2007 at 10:17 am

    Article on Pavano firing his agent was in the paper this morning but said nothing about the reason why. Only said that this is the 4th agent he has had and he made the latest change last week.

  45. E-ROC December 11th, 2007 at 10:18 am

    Igawa’s problem was command. He consistently missed up in the zone. Velocity has nothing to do with it. When there were runners on base, Iggy would mess up his mechanics sometimes, then his command would get worse.

    I hope the Yanks trade for Tim Lincecum. He’s more available than Cain.

    Maybe the Yanks can sign continue to sign relievers off the streets like Keith Foulke and Marc Kroon.

  46. Mike R. December 11th, 2007 at 10:20 am

    “Pavano, 31, can’t return to Arizona because his questionable work ethic ticked off fitness guru Brett Fischer last winter.”

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/12.....137818.htm

  47. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 11th, 2007 at 10:24 am

    pat he fired another agent? I read some time last year that he fired his agent, and they said it was because he didn’t get the 40 million contract that he thought he was getting.

  48. E-ROC December 11th, 2007 at 10:32 am

    The Yanks have interest in Corey Patterson. UGH!!

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/12.....822416.htm

    Sign Alexei Ramirez, if you’re looking for another outfielder!!

  49. BWH December 11th, 2007 at 10:34 am

    Wow – I stand corrected on the Pavano report. Thanks for the links to these articles!

  50. E-ROC December 11th, 2007 at 10:34 am

    In that same NY Post article, the Yanks are thinking about sending somebody to watch Kris Benson throw in Arizona. I guess for the bullpen.

  51. whozat December 11th, 2007 at 10:36 am

    “The Yanks have interest in Corey Patterson. UGH!!”

    They “have interest” in a lot of people. It rarely means much. Probably not worth getting upset about.

    Personally, if they flip Melky, I’d like Kielty on a 1-2 year deal. Good D and crushes lefties. Good platoon guy at all OF positions, I think.

  52. SAndMan December 11th, 2007 at 10:36 am

    SAw on rotoworld that last week Kei Igawa was mentioned in the Santana deal.If Kei Igawa is the reason the yankees don’t get a for once 200 strikout,two Cy Youngs,29,200 innings pitchers that BS.

  53. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 11th, 2007 at 10:37 am

    alright Anna to NY :D

  54. BWH December 11th, 2007 at 10:38 am

    I think that if we sign Kris Benson, maybe we could try to flip Anna to Minnesota in the Santana deal.

  55. whozat December 11th, 2007 at 10:41 am

    “SAw on rotoworld that last week Kei Igawa was mentioned in the Santana deal.If Kei Igawa is the reason the yankees don’t get a for once 200 strikout,two Cy Youngs,29,200 innings pitchers that BS.”

    Um…I’m pretty sure that the YANKEES probably mentioned him, the Twins looked at them like they’re nuts, and Cash chuckled and said “yeah, I could barely keep a straight face while asking that…moving on…”

  56. pat December 11th, 2007 at 10:41 am

    Jennifer

    NY Post and Newsday today on Pavano’s new agent. I tried to post link twice but seems to be getting stuck in the Blogs filter.

  57. E-ROC December 11th, 2007 at 10:42 am

    whozat–I know it’s only ”interest,” but still, it’s Corey Patterson.

  58. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 11th, 2007 at 10:42 am

    I’d put a guard on Anna, if I were the Yanks, too many toys, I mean we know Jetes would stay away, but then there is young Joba, Robi, Melky, I have this feeling she would even break up Alex’s marriage w/ Cynthia… on second thought Yanks stay farrrrrrrrrrr away from the Bensons :)

  59. Yanksrule57 December 11th, 2007 at 10:43 am

    Ok so Pavano has gone through 4 agents in 3 years. It must be that these guys are all incompetent, right?
    I mean, it couldn’t be that Pavano is a difficult, or untruthful client, could it?
    We have seem no other objective character traits that could indicate that have we?

    - banned from working out in AZ due to poor work ethic.

    - tried to hide auto accident injury from team.

    - Suffers from either the worst injury luck in sports ever, or has no tolerance for pain, or is a hypochondriac.

  60. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 11th, 2007 at 10:44 am

    whozat it’s Hughes we don’t want to trade he’s the symbol of the rebuilding from within, it all really got restarted w/ him

  61. The Monk December 11th, 2007 at 10:44 am

    The Yanks won’t get Lincecum for Godzilla — who’s thinking that’s a possibility? The Giants value him as highly as the Yanks value Hughes.

    And Mooooooooose’s no-trade, even if he had it in his contract, is also automatic at this point — as part of the Collective Bargaining Agreement all players with 10 years of service and five with their current team have veto rights over any trade. Moooooooooose is a 10-and-5 guy and has been since the ’06 season. He’s going to be wherever he wants to be.

  62. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 11th, 2007 at 10:47 am

    the monk go to yesterday’s post I posted Sabean’s interview in SF, listen to it

  63. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 11th, 2007 at 10:47 am

    Moring all, I miss much? Aside from Pavano being general scum of the earth?

  64. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 11th, 2007 at 10:48 am

    Geez there is someting really wrong with him. His agents probably yelled at him to get his butt in gear, and he couldn’t take it.

  65. Flam December 11th, 2007 at 10:49 am

    Ray:

    If you add an “if” in my post, which i forgot to do, it makes sense.

  66. Phil December 11th, 2007 at 10:49 am

    When they reported that Igawa was mentioned…it just means that Igawa was on the list of available players the Yankees gave the Twins from which they could choose.

  67. J-Dawg December 11th, 2007 at 10:51 am

    Corey Patterson would probably only come if Melky gets traded. Patterson would be yet another lefty bat in the collection. His best outlet is his speed, but he doesn’t get on base enough for it to be a factor. He would be much better served as a reserve and a pinch runner, because he is a very good basestealer.

  68. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 11th, 2007 at 10:51 am

    morning Rebecca apparently we may have Anna Benson in NY and pole/lap dancers in the subway trains :) nah you didn’t miss much

  69. B-D-4 train December 11th, 2007 at 10:52 am

    Enough already with these scrap heap names thrown around. With the exception of lefthanded relievers, all that’s needed is within the organization.

  70. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 11th, 2007 at 10:53 am

    Brandon: sounds lovely! Good thing I don’t have finals today, looks to be an *ahem* interesting discussion =D

  71. randyhater December 11th, 2007 at 10:55 am

    Forget Benson, he’s terrible. I’d look into Freddy Garcia and if his arm is still aattached to his body I’d offer him a Lieber/Dotel type deal. The guy’s a post season lock and having him ready in late August when Joba, Hughes and Kennedy may be wearing out could be key.

    I’d also kick the tires on Chris Capuano. He’s left-handed, still young (28), he’s starting to make some money and is coming off a bad year. A change of scenery might turn him into Oliver Perez.

  72. Rob NY December 11th, 2007 at 10:57 am

    Hey guys not for nothing but you cant really think that Matsui is going to land matt cain. If we all had a hard time swallowing Hughes for Santana do you think Cain would come over for a guy like Matsui? Godzilla is a good player but he isnt on the front part of his carrear… We’d be more likely to get a guy like Lowry.

  73. SAndMan December 11th, 2007 at 10:58 am

    Lowry is a lefty right?Thats not to bad with a couple of other guys.

  74. whozat December 11th, 2007 at 10:59 am

    “whozat it’s Hughes we don’t want to trade he’s the symbol of the rebuilding from within, it all really got restarted w/ him”

    What? What are you responding to? I know that.

  75. E-ROC December 11th, 2007 at 11:01 am

    Isn’t Freddy Garcia suppose to be out until midseason?

  76. MarkK December 11th, 2007 at 11:06 am

    The Yanks are looking at Kris Benson ?!? Gads! Not only is the former first-rounder a bust, so is his wife. Can any of you imagine Anna Benson [link] as a Yankee wife?

  77. Flam December 11th, 2007 at 11:11 am

    who said anything about Kris Benson?

  78. Anthony December 11th, 2007 at 11:15 am

    I think the Post said something about Kris Benson, but it also noted that the Yankees have very little interest, they are just sending someone to watch him throw along with many other teams.

  79. SAndMan December 11th, 2007 at 11:24 am

    Well Kris Benson can at least get to 180 innings something the “Big Three” can’t do.At leasy the Santana rumors won’t die…that deal is still in the bushes.

  80. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 11th, 2007 at 11:26 am

    I think the Post said something about Kris Benson, but it also noted that the Yankees have very little interest, they are just sending someone to watch him throw along with many other teams.

    well duh we have interest in Anna not Kris ;)

  81. ET2012 December 11th, 2007 at 11:27 am

    Pete, why can’t the Yanks package Matsui with a couple of prospects (i.e. Horne + Betemit) and send them to SF for Cain or Lincecum? Is this so unreallistic?

  82. CB December 11th, 2007 at 11:28 am

    “The Yankees are toying with having somebody watch Kris Benson throw in Arizona next week, but their interest in the veteran righty (coming back from shoulder surgery) is minimal.”

    This is all the Post said about the yankee “interest” in Benson. So its nothing

    George King is not very reliable – constantly putting up rumors.

    Freddy Garcia is out until midseason.

  83. MarkK December 11th, 2007 at 11:28 am

    Yeah… I was getting ahead of myself, re: Benson.

    George King wrote in this morning’s Post [link]:

    The Yankees are toying with having somebody watch Kris Benson throw in Arizona next week, but their interest in the veteran righty (coming back from shoulder surgery) is minimal.

    I hadn’t read that and was reacting to another comment earlier.

  84. MS December 11th, 2007 at 11:28 am

    I’d like to see this happen:
    1-Trade Matsui, Betimit (or Duncan), Horne, (maybe 1 more prospect) for Cain or Lincecum. (That’s 50 HR’s for SF between the two)
    2-Put LIncecum in a deal to replace Hughes.—Lincecum, Melky, AJ for Santana.
    3-Trade Giambi for Figgins to play centefield.

    I realize its alot to deal for Santana, but we keep Hughes.
    Lineup
    Damon
    Jeter
    Cano
    ARod
    Abreu
    Posada
    Duncan
    dh-Gardner/Duncan/FA
    Figgins

    Staff
    Santana
    Wang
    Petitte
    Hughes
    Kennedy/Mussina

    Chamberlain in the pen.

  85. E-ROC December 11th, 2007 at 11:29 am

    I don’t know if anyone posted this. If so, my apologies.

    “Yankees sign LaTroy Hawkins to a one-year, $3.75 million deal.

    How much impact will this deal have on the Yankees?

    Geoff Young: Why J.C. Romero gets more money and more years than Hawkins is beyond my comprehension. Hawkins shows up every year and performs well. There’s nothing fancy about him, but he gets the job done, which is more than can be said of some relievers getting multi-year deals.

    Bryan Tsao: I agree. To the Yankees, $3.75 million is chump change, he has as good a chance as anyone of being a useful reliever and he’s not blocking anyone great. He has just enough upside to potentially contribute a win or two if he has a nice season. Signing non-elite relievers to one-year deals is basically like buying a lottery ticket, and the Yankees can afford plenty.

    Jacob Jackson: I’m going to delve into full conspiracy theory mode to try and tackle this one.

    Here’s an important item from Article XX Section B (5) of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, regarding Free Agent Quota:
    “(b) A club shall be able to sign at least as many Type A and Type B players as it may have lost through players having become free agents under this Section at the close of the season just concluded.”

    Unfortunately this piece of the CBA isn’t as specific as one would hope, and that leads it open to a few possible interpretations.

    Looking at the Yankees specifically, they had five Type A or B free agents entering this offseason: Alex Rodriguez (A), Jorge Posada (A), Mariano Rivera (A), Andy Pettitte (A), and Luis Vizcaino (B).

    By one possible interpretation of the CBA stipulation cited above, the Yankees might be limited to signing five Type A or B free agents this offseason. If that’s the case, then they can only add one more “impact” player through free agency this year (after re-signing the aforementioned “Big Four”).

    Which brings us back to the decision to sign LaTroy Hawkins. Sure, he’s not as good as Ron Mahay (Type B) or Vizcaino (also a B). But Hawkins does provide some value, and what makes him more attractive to the Yankees than Mahay or Vizcaino isn’t that he’s cheaper…but that he isn’t a Type A or B. Which means that the Yankees can still bid for one more impact free agent if they want to.

    Who is that player?

    My guess is that the Yankees are stealthily interested in Aaron Rowand. Signing Rowand would allow the Yankees to more comfortably include Melky Cabrera in their rumored Johan Santana dealings, or to trade Hideki Matsui or Johnny Damon to further shore up their relief corps.

    And even if Rowand only provides a slight upgrade over the Yankees’ current projected outfield, that upgrade may yet be critical. The Tigers’ addition of Miguel Cabrera just made the AL playoff chase became even more competitive. The Red Sox, Yankees, Indians and Tigers might be the four best teams in baseball next year – but only three of them will make the playoffs.

    So if I was Brian Cashman, and I had more financial resources than anyone in baseball—but could only sign one more “impact” (A/B) player—I’d probably rather invest in Aaron Rowand than Ron Mahay or Luis Vizcaino.

    And that’s why I think he’s turned to (what he thinks is) the best bet among non A/B free agent relievers: LaTroy Hawkins.”

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....le-part-2/

  86. Buddy Biancalana December 11th, 2007 at 11:29 am

    Considering Benson was out all of 2007 with a torn labrum, 180 innings seems like quite a stretch, more like 100 innings if that, could be a great signing for the Mets. Lol

  87. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 11th, 2007 at 11:29 am

    God forbid I ever become a yankee wife o-o

  88. SAndMan December 11th, 2007 at 11:30 am

    ET2012-

    Cant give up Horne people around here think he’s the next Cy Young winner…and he’s in AA and 25.Can’t do that:)

    It would be good to get Lincecum,I like pitchers that get more stikeouts then innings.Yankees have a hard time getting those pithers.

  89. Jax December 11th, 2007 at 11:30 am

    ET2012 Matsui+prospects can possibly land Cain or Lincecum.

  90. Buddy Biancalana December 11th, 2007 at 11:32 am

    ET2012 Matsui+prospects can possibly land Cain or Lincecum.

    Doubt it, unless the “prospects” are Tabata & Jackson.

  91. rodg12 December 11th, 2007 at 11:33 am

    Come on Rebecca. You’d turn down being Mrs. Jeter??

  92. ET2012 December 11th, 2007 at 11:34 am

    If the Yanks get Lincecum, they would keep him and use him in the pen as set-up for Mo. In the pen, he would be just as untouchable as Mo was in his hey-days, and as good as Joba.

  93. SAndMan December 11th, 2007 at 11:35 am

    Well give up Jackson or Tabatha.Lincecum would be nice…and a lefty Sanchez.

  94. Artie A December 11th, 2007 at 11:35 am

    Check out MLB trade rumors blog today. Boston still talking with Twins as reported by a Minneapolis reporter. Twins prefer Ellsbury over Lester and they are now working on a fourth player in the deal. This doesn’t look good for Yankee fans. I sure hope it’s not true.

  95. CB December 11th, 2007 at 11:35 am

    “By one possible interpretation of the CBA stipulation cited above, the Yankees might be limited to signing five Type A or B free agents this offseason. If that’s the case, then they can only add one more “impact” player through free agency this year (after re-signing the aforementioned “Big Four”).”

    This is not accurate and a very poor job on the part of a guy from the hardball times.

    The limit to the number of class A or class B free agents a team can sign does not apply to resigning your own players.

    So in signing ARod, Posada, Mo and Pettite – none count against the cap of Type A/B players the yankees can sign.

    Because all of their free agent signings besides hawkins were their own maxing out on those caps is a complete non-issue.

  96. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 11th, 2007 at 11:36 am

    Check out MLB trade rumors blog today. Boston still talking with Twins as reported by a Minneapolis reporter. Twins prefer Ellsbury over Lester and they are now working on a fourth player in the deal. This doesn’t look good for Yankee fans. I sure hope it’s not true.

    To Bill Smith

    LIK I GIVE A DAMN !!!

  97. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 11th, 2007 at 11:38 am

    rodg: Yep.

    My basic rule of thumb is that if you’re older than my brother (who’s 27), you’re too old for a long term relationship.

    Which, however, does leave a considerable number still eligible :-D

  98. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 11th, 2007 at 11:38 am

    woops

    I meant

    LIKE I GIVE A DAMN !!!

  99. gayle December 11th, 2007 at 11:39 am

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I believe that Anna Benson is divorced or at least they filed for divorce last year

  100. CB December 11th, 2007 at 11:39 am

    “Check out MLB trade rumors blog today. Boston still talking with Twins as reported by a Minneapolis reporter.”

    The Twins have been continuously leaking rumors to that paper and nothing they’ve said has been accurate.

    This is the same exact non-story being leaked to try to create a market for Santana where none really exists after the yankees pulled out.

    This is just more santana nonsense.

    The twins are stuck with offers they don’t like and the yankees not actively in it.

  101. Buddy Biancalana December 11th, 2007 at 11:40 am

    SAndMan December 11th, 2007 at 11:35 am

    Well give up Jackson or Tabatha.Lincecum would be nice…and a lefty Sanchez.

    Wow, so we may get Anna & could trade Tabatha, I could deal with that.

  102. ET2012 December 11th, 2007 at 11:40 am

    Sandman-

    Give up Tabata, but not Jackson. He is the only other good CF they have ready to come up in the next couple of yrs. Tabata is expendable because he is further down the road (2010-2011).

    Horne is good, but you are getting a very good pitcher in Lincecum. This guy was in the top 10 prospects in Baseball America this year. They compare him with Koufax.

    You have to give up to get!

  103. Doug December 11th, 2007 at 11:41 am

    I would not talk to them if the talks were not about Cain/Lincecum. This leads me to believe that they are talking about them. I hope so

  104. sharp shooter December 11th, 2007 at 11:43 am

    Scott Rolen of the St Louis Cards is injury prone with repeated shoulder problems.After last week, mgr La Russa(the drunk)called him out in the media,(they hate each other) he does want a trade but NY isn’t the place. Will take Pujouls who is at 1st of course.(Hehehe)

  105. Giuseppe Franco December 11th, 2007 at 11:44 am

    If the Yanks get Lincecum, they would keep him and use him in the pen as set-up for Mo. In the pen, he would be just as untouchable as Mo was in his hey-days, and as good as Joba.

    It’s only 11:40EST and this will probably be the most absurd comment of the day. Congratulations.

    I guess if the Yanks got Santana, they would put him in the pen too.

    There’s no chance Lincecum is coming to NY, but if he did, he sure as hell wouldn’t be put in the pen.

  106. CB December 11th, 2007 at 11:46 am

    Before people keep trying to dump Matsui – think about his value this way-

    The cubs are reportedly offering Fukudome a $50 million deal over 3 years.

    He’s never taken an at bat in the majors, he’s coming off elbow surgery on his throwing arm that cut short this past season for him, and didn’t come close to putting up the type of numbers in Japan Hideki did.

    These trade proposals being put up for Cain and Lincecum are ridiculou. They are not going to take a Class A outfielder and Matsui for guys who are top 5 or top 10 young pitching talent.

  107. hmmm December 11th, 2007 at 11:46 am

    how could the experts at Hardball Times think Hawkins was a good signing when all of the experts on this blog thought it was terrible?

    that seems strange to me.

  108. ET2012 December 11th, 2007 at 11:47 am

    Mark this down – The reason you are hearing rumors about Matsui and Moose being traded is #1 to cut the budget down, and #2 to have a couple of more blue chips, so they can enter the Santana Sweepstakes.

  109. mel December 11th, 2007 at 11:50 am

    Pettitte
    Wang
    Joba
    Hughes
    Kennedy
    Moose
    Lincecum

    Someone would have to go the pen or the minors, IF they got Lincecum.

  110. YankeefaninSanDiego December 11th, 2007 at 11:51 am

    Pete:

    Why don’t you research and write an article about how insurance of players works in MLB, along with particular anecdotes where insurance has been used. I’ve never seen such an article, and I think a lot of fans would find it very interesting.

  111. ET2012 December 11th, 2007 at 11:51 am

    Giuseppe Franco-

    Guess you have not read scout reports! This kid is very good, but because of his size and un-orthodox delivery many scouts belive would lead him to suffer injuries. They believe he would do better and last longer in the pen as a closer.

    Research it yourself.

  112. Artie A December 11th, 2007 at 11:52 am

    To CB:

    I think you’re right here..BUT let’s hope the Yankees are given a final shot at this thing before the Twins close a deal with Boston. That’s what’s been reported in the past. Frankly this would make anything else the Yankees could or could not do pale in comparison.Deadline or no deadline. Still hoping the Angels or the Dodgers jump into this thing.I dont want Sanatana here at the expense of the future but most of all, not in Boston.

  113. E-ROC December 11th, 2007 at 11:52 am

    If the Yanks got Lincecum or Cain, the package would start with Matsui and IPK.

  114. CB December 11th, 2007 at 11:54 am

    “You have to give up to get!”

    That’s why these trade proposals are absurd.

    If the Mariners came to the yankees and said, hey here’s a trade proposal for Joba:

    Raul Ibanez, Wladamir Balentein and Phillip Aumont

    What would you say? How fast would you laugh them out of the room.

    That’s what a package of Matsui/Horne/Tabata would roughly be equal to.

    Before you come up with any crazy trade scenarios think of it this way:

    Lincecum = Joba
    Cain = Hughes

    Think about how valuable the Yankees consider Joba and Hughes – how painstaking it was for them to include Hughes for Santana – Santana! Think about how they won’t even consider a Joba trade.

    Then come up with proposals between the yankees and the giants that centers on Matsui for Lincecum or Cain.

  115. E-ROC December 11th, 2007 at 11:54 am

    CB–If the Rockies sign The Viz, what pick would the Yanks get?

  116. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 11th, 2007 at 11:56 am

    YankeefaninSanDiego Email Pete with the suggestion. I would find it interesting.

  117. E-ROC December 11th, 2007 at 11:57 am

    The trade scenarios are not as insane as u might think when u have Brian Sabean as the opposing GM. :)

  118. SAndMan December 11th, 2007 at 11:58 am

    Buddy Biancalana-

    Gonna have Tabatha or Jackson for young pitching is a must.I’ll take pitching anyday.

  119. Giuseppe Franco December 11th, 2007 at 12:00 pm

    Guess you have not read scout reports! This kid is very good, but because of his size and un-orthodox delivery many scouts belive would lead him to suffer injuries. They believe he would do better and last longer in the pen as a closer.

    I’m well aware of Lincecum’s smallish frame and unorthodox delivery. I’ve seen him pitch several times.

    Here’s what you don’t get – he’s a starter who has a high ceiling talent on par with Joba. You don’t put a kid like that in the pen unless he fails as a starter.

    Detroit didn’t put Verlander in the pen. The M’s aren’t going to put King Felix in the pen.

    You simply don’t put that kind of talent in the pen unless he fails as a starter. Otherwise, it’s a complete waste.

  120. CB December 11th, 2007 at 12:04 pm

    E-Roc

    I believe the yankees would get somewhere around the 44th – the 46th overall pick in the draft. I’ve seen a few lists putting the pick there.

    That’s just a projection assuming all of the free agents sign with different teams. So I think they could get a higher pick but not a lower one.

    The sandwich round picks aren’t “taken” from a team – they are sort of inserted between the first and second rounds.

    So the position of the pick does not depend on the record of the team that signs them (unlike for the Type A)

    The way the sandwich round works is that all of the teams that lost type A players are given a pick in the sandwich round according to record – then all of the type B compensation picks are inserted.

    44-46th pick is not bad. They’ll get a talented player there.

  121. SAndMan December 11th, 2007 at 12:05 pm

    Keep Lincecum in as starter until he gets hurt.Just like Humberto Sanchez.

  122. hmmm December 11th, 2007 at 12:08 pm

    “Keep Lincecum in as starter until he gets hurt.Just like Humberto Sanchez.”

    wow, great point.

    every pitcher is exactly the same.

    and if you put Sanchez and Lincecum side by side, you wouldn’t be able to tell them apart. exact same body type. exact same injury concerns.

    rock solid argument.

  123. CB December 11th, 2007 at 12:12 pm

    “The trade scenarios are not as insane as u might think when u have Brian Sabean as the opposing GM. ”

    E-Roc,

    I hear you and I know its impossible to get the Liriano/ Nathan fleecing out of one’s mind….

    Nonetheless – I think he’s learned from that. Going down as the GM who made one of the worst trades in modern sports history will do that.

    Also – not even he can ignore what Lincecum or Cain are.

    Plus, he’s acutally a decent baseball guy. Did a great job when he worked with Stick while he was with the yankees.

    I don’t see him taking any chances with Lincecum or cain – especially dealing with his former employer.

  124. SAndMan December 11th, 2007 at 12:14 pm

    hmmm-

    No moron.Just saying that like Sanchez if Lincecum fails or gets injured as a starter,thats when you decide to put him in the pen not just because of his frame.Just like Joba,if he fails he makes a good set-up guy.

    okay hmmm.Want me to spell it out better maybe draw you a picture.

  125. E-ROC December 11th, 2007 at 12:14 pm

    Fair enough, CB.

  126. hmmm December 11th, 2007 at 12:19 pm

    “okay hmmm.Want me to spell it out better maybe draw you a picture”

    yes, please draw me a picture. i’d love to see the picture that shows me how putting Lincecum or Joba in the bullpen is a good idea.

    and i have to say i feel honored to be called a moron by the guy who typed this drop of wisdom less than 2 hours ago:

    “If Kei Igawa is the reason the yankees don’t get a for once 200 strikout,two Cy Youngs,29,200 innings pitchers that BS.”

    i’ll just go back to being a moron.

  127. CB December 11th, 2007 at 12:21 pm

    E-Roc,

    I’d love to have Cain or Lincecum – Lincecum in particular (though I do worry about him getting hurt).

    I just don’t see how it can happen in any logical world. If Jackson was tearing up the majors as a 1st year player – then perhaps.

    But I think it would take that kind of tremendous position player prospect and then more to get Lincecum. Someone like Justin Upton and then another player. I honestly think that’s the kind of talent level it would take.

    The giants do have some depth in pitching – with an awful minor league system for position players in particulr.

    Rios is a very good player – he wasn’t enough. The yankees don’t have anyone even close to a Rios right now.

  128. sevrox December 11th, 2007 at 12:26 pm

    Wow! When there’s no news, posters start cannabilizing themselves…

  129. MS December 11th, 2007 at 1:03 pm

    How about Matsui, Kennedy, (plus lesser prospect) for Lincecum? Then send Lincecum, Melky, (plus either AJ or Horne) to the Twins for Santana. We clear a little money from Matsui, we keep Hughes, and we keep either AJ or Horne. Most of you say Lincecum is equal to Hughes so he can replace him in the deal. Most of you also say it will take a lot more than Matsui to Lincecum. SO essentially we give up Matsui, Kennedy, Melky, AJ or Horne (plus another prospect) for Santana. I’d do it in a second. Plus, many of us worry about injuries for Lincecum.

  130. Jax December 11th, 2007 at 1:13 pm

    Horne,Marquez,Kennedy and Matsui for Lincecum or Cain. All those pitchers could start for the Giants next year.

  131. SAndMan December 11th, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    sevrox-

    When Pete won’t lie to us about fake rumors like sportswriters and bloggers we tend to have a great imagination.

    Hey anyone here the Kei Igawa,Kyle Fransworth for Eric Bedard trade.

  132. Raul December 11th, 2007 at 4:50 pm

    I wonder..is there a chance Arod and Mariano,terms and contract not final,are not gonna be in a Yankee uniform.
    Please,can someone explain there situation to me.


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