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Yankees offer Pavano a parachute

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 11, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The saga of Carl Pavano has taken another comic turn.

As was reported last week, the Yankees want to release Pavano, pay off the remainder of his contract and re-sign him to a minor-league deal. The belief is that the Yankees need Pavano in the organization for insurance purposes.

Here is what Pavano was offered on Monday: We’ll cut you a check for $12.95 million to pay you off, you stay with the organization and can rehab your elbow injury in Tampa.

Here is what Pavano told The Hartford Courant: “I’d be giving up a lot of options if I signed a minor league deal.”

There is little chance that Pavano will pitch in 2008 as he won’t be ready to return from Tommy John Surgery until sometime in the summer. The odds that he gets himself ready to pitch in the majors are off the charts.

The Yankees need the roster space now and appealed to Pavano to do the right thing. That he is balking somes as no surprise given his history. Pavano is now with his fourth agent, a nice guy named Tom O’Connell. Perhaps he can convince The Rajah of Rehab to help the Yankees out.

He never helped them on the field. At least now he can take a dive and allow them to keep some young player who could actually amount to something.

It’s still hard to believe this clown was the Opening Day starter.

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243 Responses to “Yankees offer Pavano a parachute”

  1. NJ December 11th, 2007 at 11:47 am

    What options would you be passing up Carl? Old mans softball? You’d probably get hurt doing that too.

  2. Todd December 11th, 2007 at 11:50 am

    Seriously, does anyone know what options would be given up should he agree to a minor league contract?

  3. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 11th, 2007 at 11:52 am

    This guy makes A-Rod look like a philanthropist.

  4. ellen December 11th, 2007 at 11:52 am

    Could he possibly be more of a jerk?

  5. ItalianGreco December 11th, 2007 at 11:53 am

    Maybe he will get hit by a bus or something

  6. Global Warming December 11th, 2007 at 11:53 am

    Oh great!

    I just threw up while having lunch.

  7. mel December 11th, 2007 at 11:54 am

    How much would it cost to just make him disappear? *giggle*

  8. whozat December 11th, 2007 at 11:55 am

    Wow. By being a jerk, he’s limited his options to franchises that take jerkwads on the cheap, like the Nationals and maybe the A’s and Royals.

  9. jw December 11th, 2007 at 11:56 am

    i hope pavano dies. really.
    ungrateful brat

  10. saucy December 11th, 2007 at 11:57 am

    “Maybe he will get hit by a bus or something”

    anyone have a bus i can borrow?

  11. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 11th, 2007 at 12:00 pm

    …o-o

    and I thought I was mean. Apparently not.

  12. Ashley December 11th, 2007 at 12:03 pm

    “It’s still hard to believe this clown was the Opening Day starter.”

    Thats too funny!!

    Mel…humm I wonder, that would be nice!!

  13. Mike R. December 11th, 2007 at 12:03 pm

    NJ
    December 11th, 2007 at 11:47 am

    What options would you be passing up Carl? Old mans softball? You’d probably get hurt doing that too.

    He’d be giving up a number of opportunities.

    1- Judging the Miss Hooters Beauty Pageant.
    2- The Apprentice: Celebrity Edition
    3- Siging “I’m sorry I suck” on baseballs and selling them for $20 a pop to Yankee fans.
    4- Being the opening day pitcher in the “Professional Tee ball tour”

    The guy is in the prime of his life. Does anyone know if The Surreal Life is still on the air?

  14. CB December 11th, 2007 at 12:08 pm

    They should cut him and leave him with no place to rehab his elbow.

    On his own he won’t do it.

    Him and his insurance money is not worth DFA’ing a useful player off the 40 man.

  15. rb15 December 11th, 2007 at 12:10 pm

    What’s his problem, anyway? If I was a (quickly aging) major league pitcher who was on his fourth agent, had literally no future, and who was despised and hated by my entire organization, I would take 13 million dollars to get out of my contract and go sit in the sun while “rehabbing” in Tampa, Florida.

    I think when they painted over his parking spot at the Stadium and gave it to Clemens, Pavano should have just called a spade a spade, and been happy with his millions and his (relative) youth. If he would just go buy a car dealership in Arizona or something, I’d be happy.

  16. batty December 11th, 2007 at 12:10 pm

    Someone really needs to break his arms then release him.

  17. mel December 11th, 2007 at 12:10 pm

    So how many spots do we need to open up?

  18. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 11th, 2007 at 12:11 pm

    You guys are so full of the holiday spirit, y’know? :-P

  19. mel December 11th, 2007 at 12:12 pm

    Joan Rivers in a GEICO commercial, “Am I smiling? I can’t tell if I’m smiling!” in a hysterical voice while grabbing her face. LOL.

  20. #9 December 11th, 2007 at 12:13 pm

    “Someone really needs to break his arms then release him.”

    Give him time and he’ll break it himself.

  21. DESMOND JONES December 11th, 2007 at 12:14 pm

    The Yanks probably have a life insurance policy on the fool.

    He’s worth more dead than alive, George Bailey.

  22. will December 11th, 2007 at 12:15 pm

    Can they bar him from all team facilities? If he’s going to play that card, why should they pay his rehab bills? Screw him. Leave him on the roster, collect insurance, make him pay his own damn bills. or is there some clause in the pa or contracts that state that if a player’s on the roster, the team has to pay for this stuff.

  23. CB December 11th, 2007 at 12:16 pm

    mel,

    the yanks still need a spot for ARod, Mo and I think Pettite – none have officially signed. Then one for Hawkins.

    So i think they need 4 spots. It may only be 3 but its 3-4.

    Given the depth in the organization, the 40 man roster is starting to become an issue.

    There aren’t too many Colter Beans left that you can DFA without thinking about.

    In the near future they are probably going to lose a good player to the rule 5 draft and/ or someone getting cut because of roster spots.

  24. will December 11th, 2007 at 12:17 pm

    I know it doesn’t help anything, but i’d rather leave him on the roster, just so he can’t sign with someone else and basically double bill for sitting on the dl.

  25. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 11th, 2007 at 12:17 pm

    LOL at #9

  26. Mike in SF December 11th, 2007 at 12:17 pm

    Is there any way we can mail this guy a letter/ send him a letter imploring him to do the right thing?

  27. Mike in SF December 11th, 2007 at 12:18 pm

    *send an email

  28. Joe Go (Cano Fan) December 11th, 2007 at 12:19 pm

    Pavano would be doing everybody something good (oops I’m talking about Pavano) anyway I got A question
    How much salary arbitration you think Cano and Wang will get for next year. Plus what year will Joba be eligable for arbitration (he pitched less than 50 innings this season
    I’ll be very thankful for the answers
    Thank You All
    (1 more thing I can’t blog here when i’m on a cell maybe you’ve got solutions)

  29. mel December 11th, 2007 at 12:20 pm

    Mike,

    The only thing that can be done in this case is to pay someone to get the “message” to him. j/k

  30. E-ROC December 11th, 2007 at 12:20 pm

    This guy is a real piece of work. CashMoney has stood by him throughout Pavano’s troubles and this clown can’t return the favor. Somebody give him a big phat “F U and have nice day.”

  31. batty December 11th, 2007 at 12:20 pm

    Actually – here’s a prediction. He rehabs in the minor league and is lights out. They bring him up and he winds up being the lynchpin in the rotation for the postseason. Cashman, with his affinity for injury ridden old pitchers signs him on for another 3 years. After signing he slips down a flight of stairs and dislocates his toe. Repeat.

  32. Phil December 11th, 2007 at 12:21 pm

    Pavano doesn’t think like a normal person. He is way too self-centered to think of anyone other than himself. You know you have serious problems when the nice guys in the clubhouse (Andy Phillips, Andy Pettitte and Mo Rivera) didn’t want anything to do with you.

  33. Pollyanna "Porkchop" Pough December 11th, 2007 at 12:22 pm

    Pavano will bang his buttocks!

  34. rb15 December 11th, 2007 at 12:22 pm

    Ha, Mike in SF – like for Andy?

    Let’s start a P45 letter-writing campaign.

    I’ll start:

    Dear Carl Pavano,

    Sadly, I had to look up your number on the Yankees website to know which letter-writing campaign to submit this to. That’s because you pitched 11 innings last year (and notched a 4.76 ERA, I should add). Please, for the love of all things pinstriped, take the money, give us back our roster spot, and retire with your millions, thinking of what could have been had you not bruised your butt.

    Thanks, and Happy Holidays,

    rb15

  35. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 11th, 2007 at 12:23 pm

    Batty:

    The sad thing is that if that happened, it wouldn’t surprise me, at all. Hell, Kei Igawa was on the mound the night we could have clinched…and if it wasn’t for the blow-pen we would have done it, as well.

  36. Tommy December 11th, 2007 at 12:23 pm

    Someone call Pepitone and his boys.

  37. kd December 11th, 2007 at 12:24 pm

    I honestly don’t understand what options he would be missing out on, he’s injured. He will not pitch this year and then he’s not a Yankee anyway. Some chump of a team will give him a one year deal, and regret it. The fact that he can’t keep an agent says a lot about the man.

  38. Kill-Schill(ing) December 11th, 2007 at 12:24 pm

    Hey it’s also worth mentioning the same article quotes Pavano as follows:

    “I appreciate Brian giving me the heads-up, telling me this was coming,” Pavano said. “It shows you what kind of stand-up guy he is. … I want to stay with the Yankees.”

    The one in the context of the other leaves a much more qualified impression.

  39. Don Capone December 11th, 2007 at 12:24 pm

    The options he’s giving up? It’s easier for him to date hot models if he can say “I am a major league pitcher for the Yankees,” than “I am a minor leaguer.” They should just cut this clown loose.

  40. ItalianGreco December 11th, 2007 at 12:26 pm

    How about this one

    Dear Carl Pavano,

    Please, for the sake of the Yankees, die.

    Have a great Holiday Season!
    ItalianGreco

  41. Joe Go (Cano Fan) December 11th, 2007 at 12:28 pm

    I believe Kennedy would be a Great Starter next year (if the Yanks give him the shot he earned september (look at his ERA in September he’s pretty good) would of been good for long relief in the playoffs (something we needed badly) might get 12-15 wins outta him wouldn’t trade him and hughes for one pitcher (i don’t care who that would be)
    Huge-Job-Ken b great
    AND this is our year to win with our great farm
    (Cano,Wang,Cabrera,Duncan,Hughes,Joba,IPK,)-in the majors and many more coming

  42. gayle December 11th, 2007 at 12:28 pm

    How about this little paragrapgh from the basic agreement:

    If a Player’s Contract is terminated by a Club by reason of the Player’s failure to render his services due to a disability resulting directly from injury sustained in the course and within the scope of his employment under the Contract, and notice is received by the Club in accordance
    with Regulation 2 of the Uniform Player’s Contract, the Player shall be entitled to receive from the Club the unpaid balance of the full salary for the year in which the injury was sustained, less all workers’ compensation
    payments received by the Player as compensation for loss of
    income for the specific period for which the Club is compensating him in full.

    And here is the answer to the paying for rehab facility question
    H. Location of Rehabilitation Facilities
    A Club may direct a disabled Player to perform prescribed rehabilitation work for an injury at a rehabilitation facility at one of the following three sites: (a) in the Club’s home city; (b) on the road with the Club; or (c) if the Player has less than five years of Major League service,
    at the Club’s spring training facility; provided, however, that a Club may not direct that a Player perform prescribed rehabilitation work for an injury at its spring training facility for a period of more than 20 days without the Player’s written consent. Regardless of the site of the rehabilitation facility, each Club shall provide first-class
    rehabilitation facilities and care to all disabled Players.

  43. hmmm December 11th, 2007 at 12:28 pm

    “The one in the context of the other leaves a much more qualified impression.”

    quiet, you’re bothering the angry mob!

  44. raymagnetic December 11th, 2007 at 12:28 pm

    It shows you what kind of stand-up guy he is. … I want to stay with the Yankees.”

    Now all Pavano needs is 14 more minutes of material and he can book himself at Caroline’s.

    He wants to stay with the Yankees. Hell I want to win a date with Halle Berry.

  45. Mister Delaware December 11th, 2007 at 12:29 pm

    I’m thinking its time to get rid of my Pavano #45 t-shirt.

  46. #9 December 11th, 2007 at 12:29 pm

    “…I want to stay with the Yankees.”

    Of course he does – if I was getting paid millions to sit around watching “The View” & “Judge Judy” – I’d want to ride that deal a litte longer…

  47. Juke Early December 11th, 2007 at 12:30 pm

    I once, okay, three times gave Pavano the benefit of the doubt: i.e. he wanted to pitch, he just had some epic bad luck. Now, I think we all must consider the real thought, he is mentally ill. Is he from Boston?

  48. Joe Go (Cano Fan) December 11th, 2007 at 12:30 pm

    also Jeter and Posada and Mariano but their Major Leaguers for years

  49. stuart December 11th, 2007 at 12:30 pm

    Pavano is like most pro athletes. they live in a bubble, are delusional, and all about themselves..

    Pavano is one of the biggest jerks I have ever seen..

  50. mel December 11th, 2007 at 12:30 pm

    Thanks CB (CatBob maybe?)

    I don’t know the rules about taking players off the 40-man, like where do they go? But if you had to go with the guys you’d miss the least I’d go Beam, Henn, Bruney. The choices are getting more and more difficult.

  51. hmmm December 11th, 2007 at 12:31 pm

    “Of course he does – if I was getting paid millions to sit around watching “The View” & “Judge Judy” – I’d want to ride that deal a litte longer…”

    i realize you are joking, but he’s going to get the same amount of money no matter what happens. sad but true.

  52. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 11th, 2007 at 12:32 pm

    Could this “guy” be the biggest jerk on the face of the earth? His teamates already hate his guts, and if they hear he won’t help the team clear a roster spot, I’m sure they’ll hate him even more.

    And what options is he passing up? Some team will be stupid enough to sign him in 2009. The Yankees should bar him from using or attending any games, play hard ball with him. I know they took away his spot, did they take away his locker as well? They should file a law suit against him for fraud.

    I am so sick of him!!

  53. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 11th, 2007 at 12:34 pm

    Mister Delaware you mean you haven’t burnt it yet? Wow you have a lot of faith in him.

  54. mel December 11th, 2007 at 12:35 pm

    Pete,

    New thread, please? Pretty please?

  55. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 11th, 2007 at 12:36 pm

    Did Brian ever persue action against him for hiding the car accident? Maybe somehow they can void the contract if they can connect the car accident with his tj surgery?

  56. #9 December 11th, 2007 at 12:36 pm

    You know it’s a slow day on this blog when we spend this much time on Pavano…

  57. CB December 11th, 2007 at 12:37 pm

    mel,

    pete actually just got a question about the forty man roster in his last mail bag:

    “player taken off the 40-man is designated for assignment. That means the team has 10 days to trade, release or pass him through waivers. Options don’t apply in this case.”

    Usually the players are put through waivers – if another team doesn’t claim that player then they can resign with the original team or chose free agency.

    This is what just happened with andy phillips. He cleared waivers (no one claimed him) and then elected to free agency instead of resigning with the yankees.

    I think your guess of Beam, Henn, Bruney is a pretty good one, though I do think they are going to try to get rid of Pavano.

    This is one of the reasons why giving Juan Miranda and Andrew Brackman major league deals was a problem.

    CatBob – I am not! I had this handle before his appearance.

  58. Phil December 11th, 2007 at 12:37 pm

    Bullpen options for next year (from the Bronx Block):

    Chris Britton: Career BB/9 in Minors – 2.84. Career in majors – 2.85. Last year at AAA – 2.20. Career K/9 – 9.44. Last year at AAA – 9.10

    Jon Albaladejo: Career BB/9 in Minors – 1.73. Career in majors (14 innings) – 1.26. Last year at AAA/AA – 3.24. Career K/9 – 7.37. Last year at AAA – 8.26

    Dan Giese: Career BB/9 in Minors – 1.64 (!). Career in majors (9 innings) – 1.93. Last year at AAA – 1.23 (!). Career K/9 – 8.25. Last year at AAA – 9.33.

    Scott Patterson: Career BB/9 in Minors – 2.0. Last year at AA – 1.82. Career K/9 – 9.33. Last year at AA – 11.02. (1.09 ERA, just 1 HR allowed in 77 innings)

    All throw hard with low walks.

  59. batty December 11th, 2007 at 12:38 pm

    Better solution – have him try out in Spring Training as a catcher with Bruney pitching. That should finish him off.

  60. Kyle From CT December 11th, 2007 at 12:41 pm

    I am ashamed that he is from CT. If I were the governor I would seriously consider forcing him out of the state of CT for life.

  61. saucy December 11th, 2007 at 12:41 pm

    does he honestly think he can make more money pitching this year? does he think rehabs go quicker when you have a lot of experience rehabbing?

  62. mel December 11th, 2007 at 12:42 pm

    Thanks CB, so the DFAs are not a big deal for those three. They either find a team which is good for them because the shadow of the Big 3 looms so large anyway. Or they come back. Watch out furniture.

  63. CB December 11th, 2007 at 12:43 pm

    Phil,

    I think you’re making a really good point. After the debacle of this past year with the pen not being able to throw strikes, I also got the sense that Cashman is choosing relief options based on low walk rates.

    That’s what all of these guys – including Hawkins – have in common. They throw strikes.

  64. Wood Is Good December 11th, 2007 at 12:44 pm

    You all need to lay off dissing Carl. He’s a decent guy who’s just trying to get healthy so he can be a productive baseball player. I’m sure he’s really a nice guy.

    PSYCH!! Wah-waaaah!

    He’s an asswad if he doesn’t help the Yankees by taking the deal. Oh, wait–it won’t matter. He IS an asswad anyway.

    Is it any surprise he’s coppin’ this attitude? WORST Yankee signing EVER.

  65. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") December 11th, 2007 at 12:45 pm

    good job Phil and CB finally people thinking the right way when it comes to Hawkins and the rest

  66. Wiggum Fan December 11th, 2007 at 12:46 pm

    The “option” is service time. The longer her serves on the 40 man MLB roster, the better his pension/benefits will be. That’s my guess.

  67. Kill-Schill(ing) December 11th, 2007 at 12:46 pm

    I no longer can defend Pavano. But before sending him to the gallows, it might be worth considering a few extenuating circumstances.

    1) Pavano didn’t fabricate his injuries. Doctors confirmed every diagnosis.
    2) He evidently chose the Yankees to please his parents, who are avid Yankee fans
    3) He’s terrified of failing here, disappointing his parents and embarassing himself before his friends.

    Pavano might be a malingerer. Then again, anyone who has had Italian, Jewish, or Asian parents– I can boast two out of three– heap tremendous expectations on them knows how heavily those expectations can weigh and how often the children who inherit those expectations can buckle under the weight.

    Is Pavano the worst signing in Yankees’ history? Hey, I still remember Don Gullet, Britt Burns, and Pascual Perez; to say nothing of Ed Whitson and Andy Hawkins.

    Don’t worry there’s a whole pantheon of them.

  68. tony December 11th, 2007 at 12:46 pm

    what a joke Pavano is

  69. S.o.S.27 December 11th, 2007 at 12:47 pm

    Does this mean he wont be opening day starter in 08?

    In all seriousness can we just send Farnsworth to make him an offer he cant refuse.

  70. SAS December 11th, 2007 at 12:49 pm

    Hey I surprisingly bumped into Carl Pavano just the other day. Now he’s out for the season.

  71. Wiggum Fan December 11th, 2007 at 12:50 pm

    Kill-Schill(ing), by far and away the worst signing.

    At least everyone else gave them something. Britt Burns was bad (good memory also) but at least he tried to play through an arthritic hip (it’s sad I remember that).

  72. mel December 11th, 2007 at 12:51 pm

    S.o.S.

    Haha Great minds think alike. What would Tony do?

  73. S.o.S.27 December 11th, 2007 at 12:55 pm

    mel,
    Id think a horses head in his bed would be more like it.

  74. Save Phil Hughes December 11th, 2007 at 12:55 pm

    Pavano sucks

  75. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 11th, 2007 at 12:58 pm

    pavano wouldn’t play with a hang nail.

    S.o.S.27 – I was going to say the same thing. :lol:

  76. murphydog December 11th, 2007 at 12:58 pm

    Kill-Schill(ing):

    “Pavano might be a malingerer. Then again, anyone who has had Italian, Jewish, or Asian parents– I can boast two out of three– heap tremendous expectations on them knows how heavily those expectations can weigh and how often the children who inherit those expectations can buckle under the weight.”

    Kill-Schill… Get a hold of yourself, man. This is no time to be going to pieces.

  77. Kill-Schill(ing) December 11th, 2007 at 1:02 pm

    All is good, murph, but thanks for worrying ’bout me.

    Acutally, of greater concern is Buster “Brown” Olney’s blog today about how the Red Sux and Twins’ progress in agreeing on a Santana deal.

    Man, can’t Omar come up with a better offer?

  78. MarkK December 11th, 2007 at 1:03 pm

    Of Pavano, “Kill-Schill(ing)” wrote [link]:

    He’s terrified of failing here, disappointing his parents and embarassing himself before his friends.

    He has failed here.

    His mother probably has to remind his father that Carl is his son, but no doubt the father denies it anyway.

    What friends? He’ll have the money even if the Yanks throw him away, so those people will still hang around him, at least ’til it runs out.

  79. murphydog December 11th, 2007 at 1:05 pm

    Wait, if Kill Schill is right, maybe the Yankees should start telling King Carl that he’s the key to their rotation. Yeah, that’s the ticket…. Tell Carl he’s the reason they didn’t sign Santana and that everything is riding on that right arm of his. Let him know he’s going to be the anchor of that rotation and …

    Wait… did you hear that giant “thud”? Carl? Carl? Are you OK?

  80. murphydog December 11th, 2007 at 1:08 pm

    Kill-Shill:

    Let them have Santana. Nothing’s ever as good as people think it’s going to be. (Ask Melissa Milano about Carl).

    We don’t need no stinkin’ pitchers. We are the Yankees.

  81. Mr. GoodKat December 11th, 2007 at 1:08 pm

    This guy is such a tool. The Yankees have given him a free 40 million, and he is unwilling to rehab with them for one season because he’d be “turning down options”. What options? It’s going to take a year anyways to recover! Seriously, start acting like a professional and less like a money hungry cry baby.

  82. S.o.S.27 December 11th, 2007 at 1:09 pm

    Changing subjects for a second. I cant believe that Matsui cant give us better players than the Giants are offering. Why not try to pry Adrian Gonzalez(1b)from san diego for Matsui and Igawa. They would get a guy with similiar numbers as Gonzalez. They need outfield help and they also get Igawa who they wanted this August.

    If not, lets go the cheap route and do an igawa + prospect for Kouzmanoff at first. They have a third baseman waiting in the wings.

  83. Mike R. December 11th, 2007 at 1:11 pm

    S.o.S.27
    December 11th, 2007 at 1:09 pm

    Changing subjects for a second. I cant believe that Matsui cant give us better players than the Giants are offering. Why not try to pry Adrian Gonzalez(1b)from san diego for Matsui and Igawa. They would get a guy with similiar numbers as Gonzalez. They need outfield help and they also get Igawa who they wanted this August.

    If not, lets go the cheap route and do an igawa + prospect for Kouzmanoff at first. They have a third baseman waiting in the wings.

    I think you would get a resounding no from the Padres on both those proposals.

  84. jk December 11th, 2007 at 1:12 pm

    Its a slow news day if Pavano is the lead story. Below is the link to the Courant story. The story says Pavano is considering his options regarding going to the minors. He met with the players union to sort it out. He has not made a decision one way or the other. He also plans to train in Arizona with his existing trainer. Reports of his trainer “firing” Pavano are false.

    Nice job by Pete throwing a little Pavano red meat in the hot stove to stir things up.

    http://www.courant.com/sports/.....3398.story

  85. S.o.S.27 December 11th, 2007 at 1:13 pm

    Folks,my biggest nightmare is that after milking us for 40 mil. Pavano signs with another team next year and pitches lights out,wins 18 games. That would be the worst final chapter in this horror flict for Yankee fans.

  86. MarkK December 11th, 2007 at 1:13 pm

    On another note, the Minnesota sports press is still wailing about a Santana deal.

    The Minneapolis Star-Tribune reports [link] that the Sox are still after Santana but that the Twinkies want four players including Ellsbury.

    Meanwhile, the Twins’ talks with the Yankees remained dormant. According to a person close to the talks, Yankees lefthander Kei Igawa was one of several players the sides discussed last week, along with righthander Phil Hughes and center fielder Melky Cabrera.

    Maybe that’s what killed it for the Yanks: the mere mention of Igawa sent the Twinkies running away as fast as possible.

  87. Kill-Schill(ing) December 11th, 2007 at 1:14 pm

    Mark K., I’m afraid had the misfortune of examining your blog and inferring your political allegiances from it.

    Alas, I’m afraid the social,cultural, political chasm that separates us is so great I won’t waste both our times in trying to persuade you otherwise about Pavanao.

    But hey, different strokes for different folks, but Yankees fans to the end. Ain’t baseball grand?

  88. S.o.S.27 December 11th, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    MIKE R-I think you would get a resounding no from the Padres on both those proposals.

    Plan b sounds more duable than a. They claimed Igawa last year from waivers,so they are interested in him. Plus they need to make room for their third base stud in the minors.

  89. CB December 11th, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    I don’t see the yankees simply trading matsui for Sanchez/ Lowry and parts.

    I don’t know how much you can put into these rumors – they’re probably doing their due diligence to see if something makes sense but I can’t put too much stock in a George King/Jason Stark story.

    You get the sense that the giants are desperate for bats and exploring every option.

    After Farnsworth and Brueny would they want another guy like sanchez who can’t throw strikes?

    Cashman must realize matsui’s value. The pitching may not be very good this year. They may need to outscore teams to win. Giambi is far from certain even as a DH.

  90. Ranting Guy December 11th, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    I would think that Pavano would think that taking the minor league deal to rehab his elbow towards the end of next season would actually enhance his options.

    He’s got very very little chance/hope of climbing back to the Yanks rotation before his contract’s up, so he’d likely (if not definitely) pitch in the minors anyways.

    If he’s worried about what a minor league deal would do to the value of any future contract he’d be offered elsewhere, he’s got to be kidding. With the last 2 1/2 seasons (and most of next season) as a clearly established track record of being on the DL, it won’t matter if he’s on a major league, minor league or little league roster while he’s rehabbing in the minors.

    And, isn’t $12+ million more than the balance on the final year of a $39.95M/4yr contract? Carl, take the deal and help the team for once … you’ll rehab in the minors anyways so it won’t hurt your opportunities in any way.

  91. MarkK December 11th, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    Kill-Schill(ing)…

    Exactly. We’re Yankees fans.

    :)

  92. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 11th, 2007 at 1:20 pm

    S.o.S.27 That is my fear as well. And I’m sure the Yankees in the back of their minds are worried about it. But I think at this point they are ready to cut all ties with him.

  93. batty December 11th, 2007 at 1:22 pm

    I was upset of the timeline of the recovery from last year. I always thought they should have forced him to rehab and then do Tommy Johns if that didn’t work later in the offseason to make sure he wouldn’t be ready to pitch before the end of the contract.

  94. Mike R. December 11th, 2007 at 1:22 pm

    S.o.S.27
    December 11th, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    MIKE R-I think you would get a resounding no from the Padres on both those proposals.

    Plan b sounds more duable than a. They claimed Igawa last year from waivers,so they are interested in him. Plus they need to make room for their third base stud in the minors.

    I agree on their interest in Igawa, but not at the cost of Kouzmanoff. I know that they have Chase Headley knocking at the doorr, but they could easily move Kouzmanoff to LF (his 3B defense is horrible anyway). I just think he is too young and has to much potential to trade him for Igawa and a prospect.

  95. whozat December 11th, 2007 at 1:23 pm

    “And, isn’t $12+ million more than the balance on the final year of a $39.95M/4yr contract?”

    No, it’s the remaining money. It was a little back-loaded, and I think there’s a buyout for an 09 team option.

  96. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 11th, 2007 at 1:26 pm

    This is the funnest line.

    05:$9M, 06:$8M, 07:$10M, 08:$11M, 09:$13M club option
    ($1.95M buyout)
    no-trade clause
    Pavano may void option by reaching appearance levels (200 IP in 2008 or 400 IP 2007-08), but no buyout is paid

    He pitched 111 innings over 3 years.

  97. Mike December 11th, 2007 at 1:27 pm

    Why does PA always personally attack players who underperform?

    Funny how we don’t hear about what a jerk A-rod is after he came back to the yankees. Yet when he opted out every other post was about what a terrible person he is.

  98. Carmine December 11th, 2007 at 1:28 pm

    I haven’t posted on here in a while, but I still read regularly. I’ve actually been working on getting my own blog off the ground. I’m not the greatest writer in the world, but I just felt it was a positive outlet to focus some of the ramblings that occur in my head. I’d appreciate if anyone read and provided some feedback. Also, if you have your own Yankee blog, feel free to provide the link and I’ll gladly add you.

  99. joe monte December 11th, 2007 at 1:28 pm

    U know cashman wants to unload giambi but that’s like getting rid of g a from the white house: impossible. Sanchez n vinnie chunk n a as prospect would be a good package for matsui. Its not great, but w matsui’s no trade claus a factor cashman is limited a his choice of teams to work with. Its a shame to move matsui bc of giambi clotting up the dh spot, however, it will help the yankees in 2008, 2009 and beyond is another question.

  100. hmmm December 11th, 2007 at 1:34 pm

    Carmine, congrats on starting your own blog. i clicked on it for a second, and i have to say i disagree with this:

    “For those not in the know, Mr. Pavano had TJ surgery earlier this spring for an elbow ouchie(apparently there was no structural damage and the surgery was not required, the trooper that he is) and the recovery of TJ for a pitcher is usually 12-18 months.”

    i am not one to defend Carl Pavano, and this latest bit about the minor league deal makes him seem pretty hard to defend, but saying that Pavano had “no structural damage” in his elbow is simply not true.

    there is already plenty to criticize Pavano for without resorting to hyperbole or misstating facts.

    best of luck, keep blogging.

  101. john December 11th, 2007 at 1:35 pm

    even assuming he takes the minor league deal, carl will have been paid over $350,000 per inning pitched.

    what other dud contract can even compare for a pitcher? how much did roger end up collecting for his 99 innings when it was all said and done?

  102. the todd December 11th, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    john. i know the neagle and mike hampton contracts are up there for terrible contracts to pitchers, but pavano might take the cake.

  103. Joba the Great December 11th, 2007 at 1:43 pm

    I actually covered Carl when he was in high school, and he was a decent enough kid. Whatever happened to turn him into a d-bag I don’t know, but wow, it sure happened, huh?

  104. Fernando Alejandro December 11th, 2007 at 1:49 pm

    I don’t know. Hampton signed a $121 million dollar deal over 8 years in 2001. He hasn’t pitched since 2005, and he made $15 million last season. His most recent come back attempt this last November ended in one inning with a hamstring tear.

  105. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 11th, 2007 at 1:50 pm

    Carmine–Best of luck!

  106. G. Love December 11th, 2007 at 1:50 pm

    After seeing his response, I think the Yankees should tell Pavano they are not going to release him and he has been assigned to be Hank’s piss boy like in Mel Brooks’ History of the World.

    Pavano can just follow Hank around during the day carrying the copper pot in his left hand, since his right hand could not handle anything this difficult.

  107. kd December 11th, 2007 at 1:51 pm

    I think that there’s one thing to remember, that the Red Sox, Tigers, and Mariners all really wanted this guy. People actually thought that his power sinker was one of the best pitches in the league. I was happy when we ‘won’ and signed him. If you believe the reports, other teams offered more. My point is that it’s hard to blame Cashman for the Pavano signing, just like the Contreras signing. We bid more and won.

    Carl just can’t handle New York. He wanted out the moment he got to the Yankee clubhouse. Let’s put the blame squarely on him.

  108. the todd December 11th, 2007 at 1:55 pm

    kd:

    I completely agree, people put pavano down under cashmans bad signings but he was a good signing at the time. it just didn’t work out. cashman has learned his lesson and wants to “grow” his pitchers now.

  109. B-D-4 train December 11th, 2007 at 1:58 pm

    They’ll be 10 cent subway rides again before Pavano will ever pitch on Old Timer’s Day at the Stadium. Kevin Brown or Ed Whitson stand a better chance.

  110. ~Adam. December 11th, 2007 at 2:06 pm

    I’d take $13million to rehab in Tampa for a year. What a jackass.

  111. Artie A December 11th, 2007 at 2:07 pm

    Message to Cash:

    Why don’t you give Carl Pavano a new role for 2008, “Strength and Conditioning Coach”

  112. Fernando Alejandro December 11th, 2007 at 2:09 pm

    Could you imagine if Marty Miller was Pavano’s strength and conditioning coach? He’d probably be dead.

  113. Dave December 11th, 2007 at 2:09 pm

    Worst signing in the history of baseball! I hate you carl. They should hire someone to take care of him – if their a yankee fan they would prolly give the organization a discount.

  114. Dave December 11th, 2007 at 2:10 pm

    Pavano couldnt do any worse than the conditioning coach the yanks had at the beginning of last season – Ive never seen so many hamstring injuries in my life.

  115. Dave December 11th, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    Pavano couldnt do any worse than the conditioning coach the yanks had at the beginning of last season – Ive never seen so many hamstring injuries in my life

  116. Chris NY December 11th, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    ok, so NOW Pavano shows some balls?

    So now he:

    1) is injury prone
    2) has no heart
    3) has no class
    4) has no common decency
    5) has no loyalty
    6) is a difficult personality
    7) has no heart
    8) is injury prone
    9) has no heart
    10) is injury prone
    11) is a moron who’s making himself that much less attractive to clubs desperate for pitching.

    Good decision Carla.

  117. Chris NY December 11th, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    that smiley face thing was not intentional…

  118. Chris NY December 11th, 2007 at 2:26 pm

    that smiley face thing was not inentional…

  119. Chris NY December 11th, 2007 at 2:26 pm

    nor was the duplicate post.

  120. saucy December 11th, 2007 at 2:28 pm

    i always laugh at unintentional smileys in lists…

    good times

  121. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 11th, 2007 at 2:30 pm

    Smileys make the world a better place.

    Hence, I put them on my finals. There is a correlation between smileys and good grades. :-D

  122. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 11th, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    crap, I killed the thread again, didn’t I?

  123. Al December 11th, 2007 at 2:40 pm

    Pavano could do himself a lot of good if he takes the minor league deal. He still gets paid and by doing the right thing he saves face accross baseball. The entire league knows he’s a joke teammate, too soft, and pretty much stole 40M from the Yankees.

    If he doesn’t take the deal – I hope he gets blacklisted or “Cansecoed”

  124. Roy Hobbs December 11th, 2007 at 2:47 pm

    Can we offer Pavano a REAL parachute? How about a defective one? Oh wait… he’d injure himself strapping it on and never make it aboard the plane.

    Carl had better hope MLB never raises the height of the mound back to where it used to be… he’d fall off and hurt himself.

  125. SAndMan December 11th, 2007 at 2:47 pm

    Funny how everybody wants to go into the season with the rotation as is yet Pete can’t believe Pavano was the opening day starter last year.

    Maybe because Chien-Ming went back to back years in the DL and Andy Pettitte also went on the DL to statrt the season.But hey it’s the starting rotation not the Bullpen which is way important right.We don’t need Santana.

    Please get Santana CASH.

  126. Mike R. December 11th, 2007 at 2:47 pm

    Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Save the Three Musketeers!
    December 11th, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    crap, I killed the thread again, didn’t I?

    Pavano killed the thread. There really isn’t much to say after “He sucks. ___________ should happen to him.”.

  127. Scooter December 11th, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    OK maybe I’m naive, but I really thought he’d accept the minor-league assignment, work to rebuild his reputation, and then try to sign an incentive-laden contract with some team in 2009

    Instead, he’s decided on a scorched-earth policy – he obviously doesn’t want to repair relationships to people in the Yankee organization. He’s going to take the money and run

    If you’re Cashman, you talk to him once more. If he still refuses to sign a minor league contract, do whatever you have to do to get the insurance money, but cut him at the first possible moment, and ban him from using any Yankee rehab facilities.

    By the way – Pete – boy was I wrong way back when. (FYI – I questioned Pete a couple of times two years ago concerning what seemed like harsh headlines aimed at Pavano. Obviously to know him is to ‘love’ him.)

  128. Mike R. December 11th, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    I read that Pavano was going to announce he will accept the minor league deal, but he sprained his tongue and will be out for 3 months. Surgery could be required.

  129. the todd December 11th, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    sandman, the yankees have more pitching depth this year then they did last year. they have joba kennedy and hughes in the mix for the rotation, unlike last year. no need for santana

  130. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 11th, 2007 at 2:52 pm

    So. Umm. How bout something more cheerful?

    Like, that whole Mitchell Report thing that’s supposed to be coming out this week…

    or something.

  131. Artie A December 11th, 2007 at 2:53 pm

    Here is Carl’s defense:

    “I’m a nice guy…really I am”
    “I triedtoo hard and got hurt”
    “I was to busy thinking about the Yankees when I slammed into that truck”.
    “My family has a medical histroy of weak buttocks”
    “I was working on my yo-yo too long in order to improve my curve when I hurt my elbow last year.
    “I didn’t spend the Yankee money yet, am rehabing and waiting on my yacht until I return to good health.

  132. whozat December 11th, 2007 at 2:53 pm

    “Maybe because Chien-Ming went back to back years in the DL and Andy Pettitte also went on the DL to statrt the season.But hey it’s the starting rotation not the Bullpen which is way important right.We don’t need Santana.”

    Mussina, not Pettitte.

    Also…you DO realize that the deal you want done would require TWO of the starters? Increasing the likelihood that we’d be a pitcher short? And why is Santana suddenly immune to getting hurt?

    And, given the bizarre similarity of the injuries suffered by a variety of Yankees last spring…don’t you think MAYBE there was some common (and now resolved) thread there?

    Oh, wait…I forgot who I’m talking to.

  133. Motown Yankees Fan December 11th, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    I think from now on, in addition to passing a physical, all new members of the team must be required to pass some kind of phsychological testing to establish their work ethic and general lack of horribleness.

    Pavano makes Schilling look like a stand up guy. And I shudder to even type those words.

  134. raymagnetic December 11th, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    Maybe because Chien-Ming went back to back years in the DL and Andy Pettitte also went on the DL to statrt the season.But hey it’s the starting rotation not the Bullpen which is way important right.We don’t need Santana.

    Please get Santana CASH.

    I love how Santana is the only sports player alive that is immune to injury. He is Legend!

  135. darth daddy December 11th, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    pavano? fuggedaboutit. why waste your breath. kind of interesting w/ the yanks needing to shed 4 players. how many players were they thinking of trading to minny? there was a recent article in the minneapolis press indicating that the twins were sweet on ellsbury. we shall see. do not discount the yanks just yet. matsu to sf? shed 13 mill. beg giambi to go along w/ maybe half his salary to offset the 21-22 mill he is due, perhaps to sweet old southern cali for an AL team let’s say. i know, i know, i mentioned this much earlier today and E-roc reminded me that giambi really wants to stay. money is a strange thing. so 11 + 11 = 22 mill = santanna’s salary. and as far as the mutts are concerned re: johan? puh-lease. can u say no farm system boys and girls? say what u will re: $$$$man, but he and oppenheimer have done a good job using yankees greenbacks to rebuild the system by going after picks w/ over the slot money. 3 years ago we were barely able to consummate the johnson deal b/c of the paucity of prospects at the minor league level. enough about the killer line up the yanks have. much good it did them in the playoffs where pitching, defense and clutch hitting are what matter. the nucleus is almost there. one or two moves and they are on the way. who is to say that the yanks could not try a prospect or two from the california, er, anaheim, er, los angeles angels to package to minny? we shall see. good old hot stove baseball.

  136. Blargh December 11th, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    Will Smith?

  137. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 11th, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    Motown: Ycch! The idea of Schilling as a stand up guy makes me die a little inside.

    Haha

    Johan Santana: I AM LEGEND!

  138. Mike R. December 11th, 2007 at 3:04 pm

    Stop killing the thread Rebecca.
    :D

  139. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 11th, 2007 at 3:11 pm

    Um Andy wasn’t on the dl. He wasn’t inturn to open the season, otherwise he would have.

  140. SAndMan December 11th, 2007 at 3:12 pm

    SAntana is a risk but he is a hall of famer in his prime thats avaiable to you.This doesn’t happen all the time whozat.Do you know the chances of all or if any of the “Big Three” will even win a CY Young.Just because Santana had two bad months when he was pissed off his team traded away good players and put up the white flag last year doesn’t mean he can’t be great.

    If overrated Chien-Ming can win 19 games even if Santana not as good as before he will win 20 games at least 4 times.The “Big Three” can’t even promise to give you 160 innings next year.

  141. Yanksrule57 December 11th, 2007 at 3:14 pm

    Reposted from previous thread…..

    Ok so Pavano has gone through 4 agents in 3 years. It must be that these guys are all incompetent, right?
    I mean, it couldn’t be that Pavano is a difficult, or untruthful client, could it?
    We have seem no other objective character traits that could indicate that have we?

    - banned from working out in AZ due to poor work ethic.

    - tried to hide auto accident injury from team.

    - Suffers from either the worst injury luck in sports ever, or has no tolerance for pain, or is a hypochondriac.

    Added after reading PA’s new entry:

    - is a self-centered jerk who should be saying thank you for paying me $40 million to sit on my buttock (one side was hurt too much to sit on).

  142. JoeT YANKEES December 11th, 2007 at 3:21 pm

    Pavano should do what ever the organization tells him to do and next year should sign a contract for the league minimum and MAYBE some incentives – he owe’s them at least that much. what options is he even talking about?

  143. Chuck December 11th, 2007 at 3:26 pm

    Pavano’s contract has a no-pitch clause.

  144. Ed December 11th, 2007 at 3:27 pm

    Sandman, Pettitte pitched the second game of the season this year and made 34 starts. He had a minor back tweak in spring training, but that’s the extent of his injuries.

    Wang’s issue was the hamstring, which Hughes and several others had issues with, hence the firing of the conditioning coach.

    Mussina is the big question mark, as he doesn’t seem able to withstand a full season anymore. Followed by Hughes and Joba, who don’t have the arm strength to come near 200 innings.

  145. Yanksrule57 December 11th, 2007 at 3:29 pm

    Pavano’s options for 2008:

    -Study kinesiology to find a muscle or group of muscles he hasn’t already sprained, twisted, or pulled. …And then injure said muscle or group.

    - Find out if the Yanks will let him rehab at the world renowned Rehab Center in the Palms Hotel in Las Vegas.

    -Think about throwing, “ouch”, …nevermind.

  146. Yanksrule57 December 11th, 2007 at 3:33 pm

    Joe Morgan,

    Who is that, a new Yankee prospect from the Dominican?

  147. Yanksrule57 December 11th, 2007 at 3:41 pm

    I killed the thread, shoot.

  148. Casey from Oakland December 11th, 2007 at 4:04 pm

    American Idle

  149. Jeremy December 11th, 2007 at 6:24 pm

    Pavano is the second worst Yankee signing of the modern era.

    The worst, of course, is Josh Phelps.

  150. Dee December 11th, 2007 at 7:41 pm

    What an a$$

  151. youngtimer December 11th, 2007 at 7:44 pm

    Pavano makes me sick.

  152. sharp shooter December 11th, 2007 at 8:15 pm

    That openining day starter ~Pavano~ shaped our season ~a dud.~

  153. Dan December 11th, 2007 at 8:33 pm

    Wow…. Im from Boston, and have always thought the least intellingent of all sport fans are the stereotypical Red Sox Fans, those of “Red Sox Nation” if you will. I think after reading these responses I am now moving yankee fans to the bottom of the list.
    Carl can be a nice guy and do the right thing by accepting the minor league contract, but if he doesnt that does not make him a Jerk or whatever other obscenity you want to use to describe him. The yankees signed him to a guarenteed major league contract (which despite common belief, not all baseball contracts are guarenteed), and therefore if they drop him to make room on the roster, they have no claim to him.

  154. righty December 11th, 2007 at 9:04 pm

    SAndMan

    For your information, Wang did not go back to back years in the DL, he went to DL in 2005 and 2007, not missing one start in 2006.

  155. Mike December 11th, 2007 at 9:50 pm

    a true p.o.s. As if Yankees fans needed more reasons to hate this guy.

  156. Prete Funk Era December 12th, 2007 at 1:58 am

    john December 11th, 2007 at 1:35 pm

    what other dud contract can even compare for a pitcher? how much did roger end up collecting for his 99 innings when it was all said and done?

    18,000,000 / 99 innings after 2008 pro-rated contract = $181,818 per inning

  157. youngtimer December 12th, 2007 at 8:58 am

    Yo Dan: Tyler Kepner of the NY Times:

    “In theory, Pavano can sign a major league deal with another team as soon as he is released. But he seems likely to take the Yankees’ minor league offer. The remaining $12.95 million on his contract is guaranteed either way.”

    Note his money is guaranteed either way. Considering his history with the Yankees, yes basically he’s being a jerk taking up a roster space, when no one knows if he’ll ever pitch again at a major league level. He’s 5-6 with the Yankees. That’s over THREE YEARS — a mediocre pitcher can rack that up in one year! And you think we don’t have a right to be pissed?

    Kepner continues, “O’Connell said Pavano was concerned because he was only 11 days from accruing 10 years’ service time in the majors and thus a full pension.”

    Oh HO, so now the truth comes out!

    btw we wouldn’t mind if you kept your uninformed opinions in Boston.

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