Comments on: Mitchell Report due on Thursday http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/ A Yankees Blog by Journal News beat writer Peter Abraham Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:58:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: grepal http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-228242 grepal Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:34:53 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-228242 Sorry yankee fans, but this is a day that should be as dismal for you as the breaking of the BlackSox scandal almost 90 years ago. Tarnished division.leage and World Series Championships over the last dozen years. the list is a veritable who's who of your stars. Petitte, Clemens, Justice, Knoblauch, Sheffield, Giambi, key role players like Stanton and Velardi. The Yankees would likely have won nothing over the past dozen years without these cheaters. I want to print a new tee-shirt and sell it at Fenway. On the front will be a hypo needle through the Yankee logo and on the back will list the 26 championships with asteriks next to the last four. I could be a miilionaire. Sorry yankee fans, but this is a day that should be as dismal for you as the breaking of the BlackSox scandal almost 90 years ago. Tarnished division.leage and World Series Championships over the last dozen years. the list is a veritable who’s who of your stars. Petitte, Clemens, Justice, Knoblauch, Sheffield, Giambi, key role players like Stanton and Velardi. The Yankees would likely have won nothing over the past dozen years without these cheaters. I want to print a new tee-shirt and sell it at Fenway. On the front will be a hypo needle through the Yankee logo and on the back will list the 26 championships with asteriks next to the last four. I could be a miilionaire.

]]> By: Duder http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-226091 Duder Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:44:56 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-226091 Anyone who thinks Mitchell will have been biased in his investigation is a crack smoker. Period. Anyone who thinks Mitchell will have been biased in his investigation is a crack smoker. Period.

]]> By: GMAN http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-225975 GMAN Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:49:44 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-225975 Why did MLB not bring in Jim Bunning to lead this commission? It's such a no brainer that the fact that he was not leading the commission...makes one wonder. All due respect to Senator Mitchell but he is clearly a sub-optimal choice. Frankly, I think the NFL should also be subject to an investigation. For that matter all athletes pro and college...should be subject to a strong PED testing program that is adminstered by an impartial non-political body. The current regime of testing is a joke. Why did MLB not bring in Jim Bunning to lead this commission?
It’s such a no brainer that the fact that he was not leading the commission…makes one wonder.
All due respect to Senator Mitchell but he is clearly a sub-optimal choice.

Frankly, I think the NFL should also be subject to an investigation.

For that matter all athletes pro and college…should be subject to a strong PED testing program that is adminstered by an impartial non-political body.

The current regime of testing is a joke.

]]> By: lil' m http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-225914 lil' m Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:47:16 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-225914 Mitchell's financial interest in and ties to the Red Sox constitute an obvious and undeniable conflict of interest. Even the appearance of conflict fatally compromises the credibility of an investigation, no matter how exalted the reputation, CV, or stated good will of the investigator. That little has been said about this glaring disqualifier is disgraceful, although unfortunately not surprising. Moreover, as Pete points out, flogging the dead horse at a cost of millions does little to deal with the problem now and going forward. Better indeed to spend on development of a reliable test for HGH that can be accepted by all parties concerned (ownership, players union, MLB). Re Jim Bunning: No former players (issues re missing the free agency gravy train), execs (connected to the power structure), or any other such, please. An honest outsider with no ties to any part of the system would have been the wise choice. Mitchell’s financial interest in and ties to the Red Sox constitute an obvious and undeniable conflict of interest. Even the appearance of conflict fatally compromises the credibility of an investigation, no matter how exalted the reputation, CV, or stated good will of the investigator. That little has been said about this glaring disqualifier is disgraceful, although unfortunately not surprising. Moreover, as Pete points out, flogging the dead horse at a cost of millions does little to deal with the problem now and going forward. Better indeed to spend on development of a reliable test for HGH that can be accepted by all parties concerned (ownership, players union, MLB).

Re Jim Bunning: No former players (issues re missing the free agency gravy train), execs (connected to the power structure), or any other such, please. An honest outsider with no ties to any part of the system would have been the wise choice.

]]> By: klev http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-225848 klev Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:57:42 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-225848 I've met George Mitchell a couple of times, and have worked with him and/or his staff on numerous occassions over the years. He may love the Sox, but most of all, he is an honorable man. I have no doubt he'd be fair - the media, more than most anyone, manage the perception. Let's be fair to the Senator. I’ve met George Mitchell a couple of times, and have worked with him and/or his staff on numerous occassions over the years. He may love the Sox, but most of all, he is an honorable man. I have no doubt he’d be fair – the media, more than most anyone, manage the perception. Let’s be fair to the Senator.

]]> By: Hornblower http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-225839 Hornblower Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:53:26 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-225839 Peter, I care, and I care and I care. Peter,
I care, and I care and I care.

]]> By: Mick The Realist http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-225573 Mick The Realist Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:14:41 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-225573 I don't remember any Yankees fans complaining when Giambi hit two home runs in game 7 of the 2003 ALCS. I'll tell you what, you have a right to complain about Mitchell being associated with the Red Sox, if the Red Sox have a right to claim they won the 2003 ALCS. Sound fair? I don’t remember any Yankees fans complaining when Giambi hit two home runs in game 7 of the 2003 ALCS. I’ll tell you what, you have a right to complain about Mitchell being associated with the Red Sox, if the Red Sox have a right to claim they won the 2003 ALCS. Sound fair?

]]> By: NH Mike http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-225531 NH Mike Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:30:26 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-225531 Mitchell has a vested interest in making sure nobody on his team (Boston) is named. He has to go to board meetings and hangs around the owners all the time. How will it effect his ability to hang in the owners box and drink scotch with the front office people if a few Sox players are implicated and have to serve suspensions during a Yankees series? Will he still be getting a WS ring if he names two or three previuosly unnamed Sox players that suddenly have a drop of in production. did he warn a few guys beforehand so they wouldn't get in trouble? Did he give the Sox front office the lowdown on players in the free agent market? The opportunity for impropriety are endless. This entire thing stinks, the man has no incentive to be objective at all. Mitchell has a vested interest in making sure nobody on his team (Boston) is named. He has to go to board meetings and hangs around the owners all the time.
How will it effect his ability to hang in the owners box and drink scotch with the front office people if a few Sox players are implicated and have to serve suspensions during a Yankees series? Will he still be getting a WS ring if he names two or three previuosly unnamed Sox players that suddenly have a drop of in production. did he warn a few guys beforehand so they wouldn’t get in trouble? Did he give the Sox front office the lowdown on players in the free agent market?
The opportunity for impropriety are endless.

This entire thing stinks, the man has no incentive to be objective at all.

]]> By: gianthinker http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-225513 gianthinker Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:09:10 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-225513 As long as Arod's name isnt on the list this wont effect baseball. As long as Arod’s name isnt on the list this wont effect baseball.

]]> By: Off Season http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-225438 Off Season Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:00:39 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/mitchell-report-due-on-thursday/#comment-225438 Lots of great posts on this. For a story that reporters continue to say people don’t care about there certainly seems to be a lot of buzz about it. I think a big reason that this is important is for the young fan; they need to know this is wrong and that an even playing field is important in all areas. I hope parents, counselors, and P.E. teachers take the time to explain to these youngsters that though baseball was late in entering this story that these drugs were illegal (as in against the law) before baseball had a testing/enforcement policy. It is surprising just how many kids don’t understand this entire episode; it is an important learning tool. I agree that there could have been a better choice than Mitchell. As a Yankee Fan, it just doesn’t sit right with me. Having said that, I am told Mitchell is very honest and that his investigative background and other experiences made him a logical choice for the job. We’ll also have to see how many Red Sox are in the report. Selig kissing up to Congress? I think he is just trying to clear his name in history which is what baseball and the records are all about. The proof – either Mitchell will have spent a good amount of time making sure he has covered himself or he has more than we know. Radomski was the lucky part (for him). There must be more or they will still only be allegations – the allegations about players whose size changed significantly while their performance improved - well, that will speak volumes though it may never be proved. These 10 – 15 game suspensions are ridiculous. Punish these guys or just forget it – don’t make more of a joke of this than it already is. I think where the real problem for Selig may be is with the Players Union. This can really hurt some players, think of a player that is getting near the end of his career or on who has recently retired and had the stats to get into the Hall of Fame or a player in pursuit of a baseball record but most of all it should hurt the player with a family that has some self-respect. Yanks – Tigers -- right now, that one scares me a bit ;-). Lots of great posts on this. For a story that reporters continue to say people don’t care about there certainly seems to be a lot of buzz about it. I think a big reason that this is important is for the young fan; they need to know this is wrong and that an even playing field is important in all areas. I hope parents, counselors, and P.E. teachers take the time to explain to these youngsters that though baseball was late in entering this story that these drugs were illegal (as in against the law) before baseball had a testing/enforcement policy. It is surprising just how many kids don’t understand this entire episode; it is an important learning tool.
I agree that there could have been a better choice than Mitchell. As a Yankee Fan, it just doesn’t sit right with me. Having said that, I am told Mitchell is very honest and that his investigative background and other experiences made him a logical choice for the job. We’ll also have to see how many Red Sox are in the report. Selig kissing up to Congress? I think he is just trying to clear his name in history which is what baseball and the records are all about.
The proof – either Mitchell will have spent a good amount of time making sure he has covered himself or he has more than we know. Radomski was the lucky part (for him). There must be more or they will still only be allegations – the allegations about players whose size changed significantly while their performance improved – well, that will speak volumes though it may never be proved. These 10 – 15 game suspensions are ridiculous. Punish these guys or just forget it – don’t make more of a joke of this than it already is. I think where the real problem for Selig may be is with the Players Union.
This can really hurt some players, think of a player that is getting near the end of his career or on who has recently retired and had the stats to get into the Hall of Fame or a player in pursuit of a baseball record but most of all it should hurt the player with a family that has some self-respect.

Yanks – Tigers—right now, that one scares me a bit ;-).

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