Comments on: Pettitte: Yanks don’t need Santana http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:06:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Felix http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/comment-page-9/#comment-226336 Felix Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:13:28 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/#comment-226336 ey! my dear Andy We love you but you need respect a little bit a Johan he is Great and of course we need him! ey! my dear Andy We love you but you need respect a little bit a Johan he is Great and of course we need him!

]]> By: jashell2000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/comment-page-9/#comment-225831 jashell2000 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:37:36 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/#comment-225831 Got this from the site referred to earlier about Joba: "It's tough to imagine the #5 prospect according to MiLB being "just" a reliever, but that's where I think Joba should be in '08. He is as dominant as it gets out of the bullpen and that has been proven at the Major League level. And I don't want to read too much into minor league numbers, but he was human in AA, where he gave up 4 HRs over 7 starts with a 3.35 ERA, not to mention 15 walks over 40 IP. Personally, I think the Yankees will ultimately reach the same conclusion (and may already have, there's just no reason to announce it publicly). One final point as to why I feel this is how it will all play out is the number of innings that Joba pitched last year: roughly 90. As a result of that, the Yankees would never extend him to anywhere more than 150 IP in '08. As a starter he would reach that plateau no later than mid-August and would be done for the year; as a reliever he could mirror Mariano's 1996 season, pitch 110 regular season innings and then pile on another 20 IP in the postseason, before making the transition to 180 IP as a starter in '09, if need be. Working backwards, with Mariano pitching the 9th with a lead, Joba pitching the 8th (and often some or all of the 7th) in close games, and Farnsworth/Hawkins and a TBD lefty specialist bridging the gap in the 6th and 7th, I believe our '08 bullpen can actually be one of our strengths. Take Joba and his 110 relief innings out of that equation though and it is a recipe for disaster. I completely see this guy's point.... (if Joba was deemed a starter why not put him in the rotation to begin with anyway in 07?) It's not like we could not have used a starter last year too. Hmmm....it's such a GREAT problem to have. Can't wait for 08 to start. Got this from the site referred to earlier about Joba:

“It’s tough to imagine the #5 prospect according to MiLB being “just” a reliever, but that’s where I think Joba should be in ’08. He is as dominant as it gets out of the bullpen and that has been proven at the Major League level. And I don’t want to read too much into minor league numbers, but he was human in AA, where he gave up 4 HRs over 7 starts with a 3.35 ERA, not to mention 15 walks over 40 IP.

Personally, I think the Yankees will ultimately reach the same conclusion (and may already have, there’s just no reason to announce it publicly). One final point as to why I feel this is how it will all play out is the number of innings that Joba pitched last year: roughly 90. As a result of that, the Yankees would never extend him to anywhere more than 150 IP in ’08. As a starter he would reach that plateau no later than mid-August and would be done for the year; as a reliever he could mirror Mariano’s 1996 season, pitch 110 regular season innings and then pile on another 20 IP in the postseason, before making the transition to 180 IP as a starter in ’09, if need be.

Working backwards, with Mariano pitching the 9th with a lead, Joba pitching the 8th (and often some or all of the 7th) in close games, and Farnsworth/Hawkins and a TBD lefty specialist bridging the gap in the 6th and 7th, I believe our ’08 bullpen can actually be one of our strengths. Take Joba and his 110 relief innings out of that equation though and it is a recipe for disaster.

I completely see this guy’s point…. (if Joba was deemed a starter why not put him in the rotation to begin with anyway in 07?) It’s not like we could not have used a starter last year too. Hmmm….it’s such a GREAT problem to have. Can’t wait for 08 to start.

]]> By: Yankee Trader http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/comment-page-9/#comment-225814 Yankee Trader Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:21:57 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/#comment-225814 Green Beret7- No for Grabow, Marte a yes, but no rumors that Pirates want to make a deal for him now. Please list the 6-7 or even 8 bullpen pitchers assuming these 5 starters: Wang Pettitte Chamberlain Mussina Hughes Green Beret7-
No for Grabow, Marte a yes, but no rumors that Pirates want to make a deal for him now.
Please list the 6-7 or even 8 bullpen pitchers assuming these 5 starters:
Wang
Pettitte
Chamberlain
Mussina
Hughes

]]> By: Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/comment-page-9/#comment-225806 Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:16:24 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/#comment-225806 Umm. Uranium for sale on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000796XXM/ref=cm_rdp_product Umm.

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]]> By: S.o.S.27 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/comment-page-9/#comment-225804 S.o.S.27 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:15:45 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/#comment-225804 <blockquote>mel December 12th, 2007 at 4:18 pm Flam, What’s your job? Can’t be worse than: -Mets clubhouse guy -Pavano’s personal trainer -Giambi’s laundry guy -Youkilis’s waxer -Bartolo Colon’s barber -Big Papi’s glove holder -Jorge’s bat holder</blockquote> Classic post!! Can I add a few names as well? Moises Alou-bat holder Arods-shrink Pedro and Manny's-barber Schillings-laundry guy Sosa's-batboy Whatya think?Any?

mel
December 12th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
Flam,

What’s your job?

Can’t be worse than:

-Mets clubhouse guy
-Pavano’s personal trainer
-Giambi’s laundry guy
-Youkilis’s waxer
-Bartolo Colon’s barber
-Big Papi’s glove holder
-Jorge’s bat holder

Classic post!!
Can I add a few names as well?

Moises Alou-bat holder
Arods-shrink
Pedro and Manny’s-barber
Schillings-laundry guy
Sosa’s-batboy

Whatya think?Any?

]]> By: GreenBeret7 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/comment-page-9/#comment-225803 GreenBeret7 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:14:59 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/#comment-225803 Trader, putting Chamberlain in the pen won't help him build his steps to increased innings, though. He's not somebody you want to keep switching back and forth in the middle of the season two years in a row. It would take two more years to get his innings up high enough to cut him lose for 200 innings and 34-35 starts a year. It would make it 2010. Trader, putting Chamberlain in the pen won’t help him build his steps to increased innings, though. He’s not somebody you want to keep switching back and forth in the middle of the season two years in a row. It would take two more years to get his innings up high enough to cut him lose for 200 innings and 34-35 starts a year. It would make it 2010.

]]> By: Yankee Trader http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/comment-page-8/#comment-225798 Yankee Trader Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:14:30 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/#comment-225798 G Love- Even with Rowand, the Giants still need power threats as their leading HR hitter, not named Bonds, was Molina at 19 homers. Yankees, if the Giants still want Matsui, should put a package together to net them Cain or Lincecum, but I prefer Cain, based on concerns about Lincecum and his pitching mechanics and small frame.There is absolutely no one else on that Giant roster worth giving up Matsui for, even if they throw us 5 players ala the Tejada deal. G Love-
Even with Rowand, the Giants still need power threats as their leading HR hitter, not named Bonds, was Molina at 19 homers.
Yankees, if the Giants still want Matsui, should put a package together to net them Cain or Lincecum, but I prefer Cain, based on concerns about Lincecum and his pitching mechanics and small frame.There is absolutely no one else on that Giant roster worth giving up Matsui for, even if they throw us 5 players ala the Tejada deal.

]]> By: ----- http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/comment-page-8/#comment-225790 ----- Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:10:43 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/#comment-225790 Pete's chiming in on Wang v. Beckett...new post Pete’s chiming in on Wang v. Beckett…new post

]]> By: GreenBeret7 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/comment-page-8/#comment-225787 GreenBeret7 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:10:08 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/#comment-225787 Trader, the Yankee bullpen could go from same as last year or, if the three in front of Rivera are good, not great, the bullpen will miles ahead of last year. I don't think Farnsworth will be on the team, especialy if they can get somebody like Marte or Grabow. Not to say trading Farnsworth for one of them, though. Trader, the Yankee bullpen could go from same as last year or, if the three in front of Rivera are good, not great, the bullpen will miles ahead of last year. I don’t think Farnsworth will be on the team, especialy if they can get somebody like Marte or Grabow. Not to say trading Farnsworth for one of them, though.

]]> By: mel http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/comment-page-8/#comment-225784 mel Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:08:40 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/12/pettitte-yanks-dont-need-santana/#comment-225784 One "expert", Neyer doesn't think that Santana's going anywhere at this point. Which kind of makes sense. If you believe Bill Smith botched the deal, then he may just keep Santana and pretend that was the plan all along. Best-case, Santana hits free agency. One “expert”, Neyer doesn’t think that Santana’s going anywhere at this point.

Which kind of makes sense. If you believe Bill Smith botched the deal, then he may just keep Santana and pretend that was the plan all along.

Best-case, Santana hits free agency.

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