Bruney stays; Beam, DeSalvo and Rasner go
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Brian Bruney can afford another tattoo, the Yankees decided to keep him. Bruney, Wilson Betemit, Robinson Cano and Chien-Ming Wang were all offered arbitration tonight.
The Yankees did not offer deals to RHPs T.J. Beam, Matt DeSalvo and Darrell Rasner. They now become free agents.
Once they officially add Alex Rodriguez, LaTroy Hawkins and Mariano Rivera, the Yankees will have 40 players on the 40-man roster.
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I guess out of those four, Bruney is the one that should stay.
Hopefully he gets his head on right.
They’re probably all AAAA pitchers.
hope Bruney doesn’t turn firestarter on us
If I was Bruney, I’d be scared of Girardi.
Peter North-
Didn’t you use to hangout with Harry Reems?
Wasn’t Beam recovering from TJ surgery ??
Good luck to all the non-tendereds. I appreciated their efforts as Yankees.
For the longest time, I never followed the Yankees 40-man roster because usually it was no-names that were left off or removed. Now that the farm system is stacked, I can’t believe they now have to cut some players we’ve become familiar with.
I can’t believe Pavano is still taking one of those valuable slots.
Maybe Rasner will join Clip in Washington
Didn’t Rasner start out with the Nats?
sign prior to a minor league deal now!!!
20 years? David Wells perhaps, or El Duque?
Someone explain the rules again.
Is this a 10 days to trade them or they become free agents?
Can they sign them to minor league deals if they get no other nibbles?
Taiwan media report that NYY only offer 0.5M to Wang…
Chi that was last year and when refused to sign it they gave him 450,000 dollar deal. They’ll go to at least a million this year.
Chi-
Don’t believe that offer, probably closer to $4M or $5M.
Can you imagine Prior, Pavano, and Wood together in one rotation. Instead of the Big 3, they’d be the Big Hurt.
Chucklehead?
I think it’s bedtime D-Sal Vo.
Buddy- Reems is a pal, yes.
Sooo. What’s new, Buddy Biancala?
Where is Beckett on this list, I can’t seem to find him?
Wins
Rank Player W IP
1. John Smoltz 15 207.0
2. Tom Glavine 14 218.3
Andy Pettitte 14 218.3
4. Roger Clemens 12 199.0
5. Greg Maddux 11 194.0
Curt Schilling 11 133.3
7. Whitey Ford 10 146.0
Dave Stewart 10 133.0
David Wells 10 125.0
10. Orlando Hernandez 9 106.0
Catfish Hunter 9 132.3
Not much Mel & you?
The list I posted is the all time career Win leaders in the postseason D Sal Vo.
Nothing much here either. Just CHILLIN’ and trying to block out the NOISE in here.
hcl,
Pavano taking a spot is a joke. Desalvo was taken off the 40 man once before and signed a minor league deal. I would assume all three could do that again, assuming the Yankees wanted to
If Bruney is willing to grow up and stop trying to throw the ball through a wall, he can be a definite asset for the pen much like he was in ‘06. Good luck to the players who were let go. DeSalvo could have been kept around just to start against the Mariners, since his two starts against them were very good performances. I’m sure that Andrea will really miss him, since that’s her guy!
MLB.com is reporting that the Dodgers are expected to sign pitcher Hiroki Kuroda, but GM Ned Colletti refuses to confirm that. It’s basically down to the Dodgers and Mariners, with the D-Backs having an outside chance of signing him.
D-Sal Vo is the anti-Peter North.
I can live with keeping Bruney, if he’d grow up. What I can not live with is the thought of us actually using Ramirez. Maybe he’ll show up in Mitchell’s report. lol.
Mel-
Most of the NOISE usually disappears, it’s never even occurred to me to go troll on a Red Sox blog. There are some angry people out there with nothing better to do.
What does Ramirez weigh, like 120?.
These are the same people who chant “Yankees suck” during the Super Bowl. The bar has been set very low indeed.
pete~do you have any detail about the contract?How much money does yankees offer for each person?
I really don’t like Bruney’s attitude. He can probably be a decent asset in the pen if he starts listening and improving his weaknesses. Hopefully Eiland and Girardi can straighten him up.
Those 3 plus Melky “But he’s our starting CF” Cabrera of course
Dumbass,
I don’t think anyone is arguing that Beckett isn’t a great pitcher. He’s damned good. He’s a red sock, so here at Yankee central, we’re not gonna be singing his praises. This is generally a place for reasonably intelligent baseball talk.
Find other people to use your caps on.
De Sal Vo, is your first name Albert?
With that in mind tell me again that Santana wont be worth Phil Hughes.
Or
Tell me again that Phil (WHO HAS THREE PITCHES BUT ONLY THROWS TWO FOR STRIKES?) Should be kept and by forfeit allow the Redsox to gain an even more disgusting advantage over us?
Oh I forgot “The Wanger” will be better and Joba is the new Rocket or was it Phil??
D Sal Vo-
You said:
WHO HAS A BETTER POST SEASON RECORD IN THE PAST 20 YRS THAN JOSH “FIST PUMPING-SOUL PATCH REVOLTING†BECKETT??
I just gave you the stats of the 10 all time post season leaders , take out Whitey b/c he isn’t valid to the argument.
So now you are backtracking into a smaller sample size at his age?
PERHAPS your statement was retarded?
Mel, where on God’s green earth could Edwar Ramirez hide steroids? unless you’re talking about Manny Ramirez. If it’s him, his hair at least is on steroids.
D Sal Vo-
It’s ok that you are a Red Sox fan, there are a few here that post. We can handle your kind.
well, well, well ..I tell you what Josh we’ll sign you to a minor league deal if you let Tony Pena kick you in the nuts 3 times
Once and for all, Beckett is not a “Great” pitcher. He’s been good twice in his career and very good once. Let him have 9 more very goods before even thinking great.
holy crap Miguel Olivo was non tendered by FLA, a RH power hitting C that can field and throw and run
De Sal Vo, you need to correct that last statement. Perhaps doesn’t fit.
Sounds like D-Sal Vo is really just pissed cause he wasn’t offered arbitration.
Perhaps he is a Yankee fan, but he just like the Red Socks players better.
I’m interested in getting Santana, he’d be a great addition, but i’m not sure he’s worth giving up two guys that play for us regularly, plus a couple more. He might be, but i’m just not completely convinced.
(and of course i’m a homer. i’m a fan. fan is short for fanatic, which kinda implies a lack of rationality).
I am suprised about Rasner he is border line major leaguers and I thought he can come out of the pen.. Yeah Bruney fits in with Kyle(hard thrower with no control) I hope they all catch on somewhere the Yanks kept Henn on the 40 man roster…
Really surprised that Rasner wasn’t kept or at least traded. He’d be a pretty solid NL West pitcher.
Blunkness, he’s closer to being Albert DeSalvo than Matt DeSalvo. Albert was a psychotic mass murderer (The Boston Strangler).
I am not a redsox fan.
I am though very tired of my fellow yankee fan who refuses to see what is so clearly obvious.
They have a shiny new ring.
Wang is a number 2.
Mo is a year older AGAIN
They are THE ONLY players in the Santana deal.
Beckett may return to 06 form…BECKETT MAY ALSO BUILD OFF OF 07s FORM
Add Santana to that Rotation and tell me why we had to hold on to PHIL HUGHES NEXT SEPT 12
THE KID DOESN’T YET HAVE A THIRD PITCH
And I don’t want to hear about the Hamstring.
I’m sorry but I watched EVERY pitch last season and even in the Texas No Hitter that could’ve been He was blowing everybody away with a fastball/curve combo exclusively.
Otsuka was non-tendered in Texas. May be worth a look.
Look for the Dodgers to invite them to spring training. I heard Colletti is still trying to get in contact with Quantrill to invite him also so Torre can have all of his buddies there. I would of thought the Yanks would keep Rasner. He really wasn’t that bad and is a good guy to have in the minors just in case they need some extra starters this season. But I guess there wasn’t enough room, since Pavano still has to take up space. Why don’t they put him to work at the stadium make him sell food or something, instead of doing nothing!!
Chi, that offer came out when Wang’s former agent answered in an interview, he even came up a theory how the team will offer…
for good players: a slightly higher than preious year’s salary…
for “ok†players: a slightly lower than perious year’s salary….
for “not good or not bad†players: no number on at that offer….
But I don’t buy that, because this guy is somehow kind of likes to “show up†and “show offâ€, he even once told the media that one day when he wanted talk to Wang, found out that he and his girlfriend were “doing the thing you likeâ€, something that is their privacy, Wang cut the working relationship with him later….
Now Wang with other agency, he still received interviews as Wang’s former agent talking issues regards Wang with reporters….
The Twins have no rings with Santana. It’s not about Santana you keep young players as talented Hughes, Joba, Horne, IPK and all the rest precisely becuase you don”t know what they will be. Keep them all and the cream will rise to the top and the Yankees will rise with them.
D-Sal Vo
Hey moron, try following what he did in the minors, and figure out why the entire baseball community (not just Yankee fans) are so high on him. There is a reason every single team tries to pry him away from the Yankees.
But you’re right. Let’s trade Hughes, because he is obviously done developing. Hell, when was the last time a pitcher developed past the age of 21, right?
So just for comparison, let’s see what Josh “OMG HE IS TEH WICKED” Beckett did in his age 22 season (his first real season in the majors).
As a 22 year old, he went 107 innings with a 4.10 ERA (98 ERA+) in the NL.
Meanwhile, Phil Hughes, at the age of 21, put up a line of 4.46 (100 ERA+) in the AL EAST. Look at their peripherals, and then tell me the kid sucks.
Yeah, but you’re right. Let’s just trade away every good young pitcher we have, and do exactly what the Sox are doing.
Have you ever wondered why the Sox aren’t pulling the gun on a Santana deal? They ALSO don’t want to give up their stud pitcher (Buchholz), and they damn sure don’t want to sign Santana to a long term contract.
But yeah, you’re the GM.. let’s jump the gun because we’re afraid of Boston and give up the farm to sign Santana to a 25mm/yr contract. You know.. even though it looks as though the Twins are planning on keeping Santana, let’s just give them Hughes for the hell of it.
He aint Joba.
He does not have a 98 mph fastball and no ONE has that Slider.
I understand why Joba is untouchable.
I even understand why Hughes+Kennedy was not acceptable.
HOWEVER
Short of a Hughes + Kennedy deal how can Cashman not make that deal with the prospect of the Redsox getting him for basically Jacoby Elsbury?
Last I heard the deal that the twins wanted was broken by including..
NOT A JAX
NOT KENNEDY
NOT EVEN JOSE TABATA OR JESUS
NO
IT WAS HALTED OVER HORNE!!!! -Projected 5th Starter?
AND HILLIGOSS???? -BTW HE PLAYS THIRD BASE
Thought we had a third baseman.
Well maybe Hilligoss is only 6 years old?
Then I guess he should too be untouchable.
Oh forget it PERHAPS I need to think about our 2020 corner infield….
hey d-sal vo.
go get laid man. you’re one uptight sob. and stop yelling a people. it’s kinda pathetic. seriously, what are you over-compensating for with all this??
If by number 2, you mean number 2 in the cy young voting, then yes wang is a number 2.
Idiot D-Sal Vo,
It was a false rumor that Cashman turned down a package of Hughes, Cabrera, Marquez, Hilligoss. The Daily News reported it wrong. It was later confirmed that the Yankees proposed the deal and the Twins shot it down.
Learn to read.
HORNE!!!! -Projected 5th Starter? by who Jon Heyman do you have any idea how much that guys spends on Hot Dogs
PK
I respect and agree with everything you’ve said but only to a point.
For every Josh Beckett there are 5 “nameless former number 1 prospects” who fail miserably.
SANTANA IS NOT RANDY JOHNSON OR KEVIN BROWN
PK December 13th, 2007 at 1:42 am
D-Sal Vo
Hey moron, try following what he did in the minors, and figure out why the entire baseball community (not just Yankee fans) are so high on him. There is a reason every single team tries to pry him away from the Yankees.
But you’re right. Let’s trade Hughes, because he is obviously done developing. Hell, when was the last time a pitcher developed past the age of 21, right?
So just for comparison, let’s see what Josh “OMG HE IS TEH WICKED†Beckett did in his age 22 season (his first real season in the majors).
As a 22 year old, he went 107 innings with a 4.10 ERA (98 ERA+) in the NL.
Meanwhile, Phil Hughes, at the age of 21, put up a line of 4.46 (100 ERA+) in the AL EAST. Look at their peripherals, and then tell me the kid sucks.
Yeah, but you’re right. Let’s just trade away every good young pitcher we have, and do exactly what the Sox are doing.
Have you ever wondered why the Sox aren’t pulling the gun on a Santana deal? They ALSO don’t want to give up their stud pitcher (Buchholz), and they damn sure don’t want to sign Santana to a long term contract.
But yeah, you’re the GM.. let’s jump the gun because we’re afraid of Boston and give up the farm to sign Santana to a 25mm/yr contract. You know.. even though it looks as though the Twins are planning on keeping Santana, let’s just give them Hughes for the hell of it.
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Well said PK. D-Sal Vo will obviously not respond to it though, as it might make too much sense for him.
A nd Santana isn’t Sandy Koufax, nor is he worth 40% of this team’s rotation, plus the two top center fielders in the organization, plus what ever other want they come back with…or, they threaten to make a trade with Boston. Smith played that game at least 6 times in Nashville.
Nah.
You’re right.
Beckett will have another 5+ ERA next year.
Joba 20 Wins with no bullpen.
Phil 18 Wins with 2 pitches and no bullpen
Ian Dont care. He’s better than Mussina
Chien 19 That’s the way he rolls.
Andy 16 With no bullpen
Santana plus Beckett will suck.
Verlander plus Bonderman SUCK
Sabbathia plus Carmona they’ll lose their special bugspray.
Yes we are right
Jim
I hope you are.
Bullpen? We don’t need no stinkin’ bullpen!
Pavano and Beckett sleep with the fishes.
We need to try to sign Akinori Otsuka.
The player NYY needs to look at is Brad Eldred, a 1st baseman/outfielder with big power and right handed bat of Pittsburgh, who was non-tendered.
the price– prospects plus money– is just too much. yankees cant afford the santana contract when they can see the number one pitching prospect in baseball develop for cheap
SIGN Otsuka !!!
I’m not so sure about Otsuka. Why would the rangers be willing to just give him up? It’s not like they can’t afford whatever he might get in arbitration. He had a serious injury and missed half the season last year. And later in the season when he tried to throw off of flat ground he always felt sharp pain. I don’t think Texas would just get rid of him unless they had reason to doubt his ability to come back from that injury.
Also, he is a Type A player. That means the Yankees would lose their first round draft pick if they sign him. Is it worth giving up the potential next Hughes/Joba/Kennedy/Brackman to get a reliever who will only throw 65 IP and has huge injury concerns? I don’t think so.
d-sal-vo,
shut up!
I will be the bullpen next year.
I’m not so sure about Otsuka. Why would the rangers be willing to just give him up? It’s not like they can’t afford whatever he might get in arbitration. ……….
Also, he is a Type A player. That means the Yankees would lose their first round draft pick if they sign him.
That can’t be right, if a player’s current team doesn’t offer them arbitration, and they sign with another team that second team can still lose draft picks? How is that fair to a player looking for a new job?
From MLBTR:
“The big story of today will undoubtedly be the Mitchell Report this afternoon. Dozens of current and former players are expected to be named, and they won’t all be scrubs.
As you know, the focus of MLBTR is trades and free agent signings, hot stove stuff. I don’t consider steroid rumors a big part of it. So I’ll probably cover a little of it, focusing how the current hot stove landscape may be altered.
I did receive one tip on this topic – my guy says the Yankees are in for a bad day (but Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera are not in the report).”
That last line isn’t too promising for today’s announcement.
I don’t put too much stock into this anyway. It should be expected that a bunch of Yankees get exposed; look who is in charge of it. I still don’t understand how they can give this job to someone on the board of directors for the Red Sox. If a bunch of Yankees players come out of it, and only a few no-namers for the Red Sox, the report is not reliable.
I agree. I mean, I really want to hear the answer for not interviewing the former Sox player, Canseco. How can you go through this entire investigation and not go to one of the most regarded sources in this? Wouldn’t really surprise me to hear Yankee names, its just going to be annoying to deal with since everybody is going to jump down our Organization’s throats for about a month. I’m already prejudging this whole report and delcaring it unreliable. I feel like it has done nothing and will do nothing but taint names. As other people and reporters have said, they should work on the future of drug policies, not worry about who has done what in the MLB.
It will be a good news, bad news for the Yankees.
The bad news is that they signed Giambi, the 2d biggest juicer still in the game, to a huge deal and there’s been a rumor (not denied as far as I recall) that they took out a steroids clause from proposed contract language. Why would they have even considered such a clause unless they knew something?
The Good News? The Big Dope told the truth in the Grand Jury as opposed to Bonds, who lied. Moreover, props to Jason for speaking the truth, saying that everybody knew and everybody is to blame. That statement got Giambi in trouble, forced Selig to make Giambi speak to Mitchell. And, surprise, surprise, you will see that statement again, this time coming from Mitchell in today’s report.
So, is Giambi getting a “contributor” credit in this report for writing the summary statement and headline? Mitchell: Everyone Knew.
Think about it. If Mitchell blames everyone, he blames no one. That allows them to move on. He got stonewalled and was toothless from the start.
I wouldn’t sweat the names too much but I could be surprised. There are some easy ones: Canseco and Caminiti were All-Stars and MVPs. Giambi was an MVP. Mitchell also has Canseco’s book plus The Game of Shadows plus Bond’s indictment, plus the Albany DA’s big splashes plus the Mets clubbie. Isn’t that enough to fill 90% of the report along with appendices and exhibits?
“I am not a redsox fan.
I am though very tired of my fellow yankee fan who refuses to see what is so clearly obvious.
They have a shiny new ring.
Wang is a number 2.
Mo is a year older AGAIN
They are THE ONLY players in the Santana deal.
Beckett may return to 06 form…BECKETT MAY ALSO BUILD OFF OF 07s FORM
Add Santana to that Rotation and tell me why we had to hold on to PHIL HUGHES NEXT SEPT 12
THE KID DOESN’T YET HAVE A THIRD PITCH
And I don’t want to hear about the Hamstring.
I’m sorry but I watched EVERY pitch last season and even in the Texas No Hitter that could’ve been He was blowing everybody away with a fastball/curve combo exclusively.”
I don’t know what game you were watching that night in Texas, but I am pretty sure if you ask Mark Texieria, he would tell you that Phil had plus-plus change that night.
The night the Yankees traded for A-Rod, I thought the Yankees were going to win at least two or three rings in four years.
When the Yankees traded for RJ, I thought they were going to win it all that year.
No one knows what the will happen, so everyone needs to take a step back and let things play out. All of these media types, that tell everyone what a player will be like in the future (i.e #3 or #5) or who will win the WS, are just blowing smoke up your A$$. They do not know anything, but what some un-named source (scout, team exec) tells them or what they believe. What they do know is how to right an article and gather information.
I mean ESPN has created a monster; they have all these former reporters, yeah reporters, and call them experts, I mean “insiders”.
All I know is that the sun will come up in the morning, you’re going to have to pay taxes, and we will all eventually die.
So please everyone relax.
D Sal Vo’s another one of those guys who acts like we should only care about what one other team in baseball does. News flash, buddy: There are 28 other teams we should care equally about. Don’t buy this rivalry nonsense.
Surprised by Rasner being non-tendered. Would have thought he’d be given another chance. Then again, I don’t think we just let a FHOFer go either.
I suspect Clemens and Pettitte’s names will be in there because of Grimsley. As much as people cite the story retracting the redacted names in Grimsley’s affidavit, its been well known in baseball circles Grimsley named names. I’m sure Clemens and Pettitte were two of the names he named.
Doesn’t mean they did anything. Just means they were “named”.
I suspect Arod will be in because Canseco has been yapping for two years he has “dirt” on Arod. Mainly, because he is ticked off Arod wouldn’t loan him money so this is his “payback”.
The names aren’t the issue, IMO. Its the context in which they are used.
If its coming from rats, I would take the names with a grain of salt.
However, if there is hard evidence (ie: proof certain players knowingly purchased and took steroids) that’s different from a perception standpoint.
I do agree with murphs original premise. If you name everybody you really name nobody.
Its the context in how the names are being used that interest me because, naming names the wrong way ruins someone’s reputation.
Hopefully, Mitchell is smarter than that.
I bet Johnny Damon’s name is on the report. You know that Mitchell went out of his way to expose any former member of the Sux.
Per Pete’s newspaper story: Yankees to make A-Rod official today.
Interesting timing. Are the Yanks trying to divert attention from the Mitchell Report or trying to get A-Rod official on a day that unless he’s on the Mitchell Report, no one will give a darn about anything he has to say.
rasners dad says he will return to yanks
http://www.nevadaappeal.com/ar...../112130110
I just love immediate, firm scouting reports on 21 year kids.
How someone “knows” conclusively what a player will be at 21 for the rest of his career.
How someone “knows” conclusively how a Red Sox player will ALWAYS improve. Yet, Yankee players? Whatever they did last year (see Wang) is how they will do FOREVER.
How someone “knows” conclusively the results of the next five years of baseball simply because the Yankees don’t acquire a certain player.
Vader is right. Too much ESPN and WFAN worship and not enough thinking for yourself.
Its producing generations of idiotic sports discussions.
The spineless Selig will hold a press conference and put on his smug face and bellow away about the integrity of the game. Bullshyt !!!!
The very height of ‘roids was during HIS watch. He looked the other way after the ‘94 strike knowing the game needed rumps in seats and the long ball could contribute greatly.
In the great home run chase of ‘98 featuring Sosa & McGwire, the glowing Commissioner grinned from ear to ear for the entire season knowing full well they and others were juiced to the hilt. Hypocrisy ???
I don’t think George Mitchell is that transparent.
This is a very accomplished man. When you can broker peace in Northern Ireland, you aren’t going to blow up your reputation over baseball.
While we all love baseball, its nothing compared to serving in the US Senate, brokering peace talks in Northern Ireland, etc.
Should he have recused himself from his directors post with the Red Sox? Yes. Does that mean he is out to get the Yankees and protect the Red Sox? No.
Think about it. Why would a guy with his credentials ruin them over this?
I don’t think he’s that foolish to do such a thing, even though he erred in not recusing himself from his directors spot with the Sox when appointed to do this job.
Vince, I couldn’t agree more. He also will say how the MLB testing process is the best in professional sports about 100 times…
SJ, Yes, he is very accomplished, but he works for the Sox. You know that no matter what at the end of the day he would love nothing more than to try to make the Yankees look bad. I guess we all could sit here and speculate all day long, but the proof in his integrity will be how many current Sox are on the report, as opposed to Yankees.
He doesn’t “work” for the Red Sox. He sits on their Board of Directors.
I sit on a couple of boards. Honestly, those of us who sit on boards, and take them seriously, actually hold the companies to a higher standard than you would if you didn’t sit on the board.
If anything, he may hold the Red Sox to a higher standard.
Its not accurate to say he “works” for the Red Sox. When you sit on a board, you aren’t an employee of that company.
You are a watchdog more than an employee of a company as a board member.
Having a running tally of Yankees/Red Sox isn’t the indicator to his fairness. What if he got more cooperation from certain witnesses, who named more Yankees than Red Sox? Doesn’t that play into it.
Its the problem with the reporting on this issue. Folks are more interested in the names than they are with the issue (steroid use).
Yeah, you make a great point, but I find it hard to believe that he would name a current big name Sox player. Who knows. All I can say is that NO name will shock me, maybe disappoint me, but not shock.
Darrell Rasner being non-tendered indicates that Jeff Karstens will get a long look in spring training as a long reliever / spot starter role.
Until getting hurt, he was on his way last spring to winning that very same role. He didn’t hurt his chances with what he showed in the World games several weeks ago.
i think the problem with the mitchell report isnt that he sits on the board of the red soxs, i agree with SJ on that, i think the main problem falls on the fact that one of the main sources of the report is a man with a questionable past.
Nice guy that Pavano, just the kind of guy I want to marry. Caring and an upstanding citizen.
migames,
That’s the problem with reports like these. They are relying on the testimony, in many cases, of less than savory people.
Its what law enforcement does everyday in criminal cases.
Its why I have never understood what the goals were with the Mitchell Report.
Are we actually looking to find out if there was steroid use in baseball? Duh, I don’t think MLB needed to spend millions of dollars to figure that out.
Is MLB just interested in outing players who used PED’s? That leads me to asking, why not go after the owners? The Commissioner?
Do we actually believe that the owners in the sport, AND the commissioner, had no idea PED use was rampant in the sport?
I just don’t understand what has lead us to today. A bunch of names will come out, talk radio will brand them as “cheaters” and there is absolutely no context to any of it.
I’m hoping its more of a benign report because if this is just a typical, “its the players fault” type of thing, with zero blame placed on the owners or Commissioner, then I think the entire thing was a sham. It was just a “get the players” thing and nothing more.
Hopefully, the Report places blame where it belongs. On EVERYBODY in the sport, not just the players.
Just heard on the radio that players are not being warned that their names will be released!!
SJ44 – You have essentially taken the words out of my mouth. Good posts.
And ESPN is reporting that Mitchell is blaming players and owners…
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3152573
there better be some prominant Red Sox on this report
Lowell, Big Papi I’m just saying because all I hear is we’re set to have a very bad day, alright we’ll see where today goes.
The real question is, of the names named, how many will be active players?
a lot of otsuka talk, but how about taking a shot on kiko calero? his downward trend is frightening, but if there is an outside shot he can regain form i’m sure he’d be a top bargain.
Fay Vincent’s legacy as Baseball Commissioner will be forever centered around the Pete Rose gambling scandal.
Bud Selig’s legacy as Baseball Commissioner will be forever centered around great financial heights of the game through the use of the “back door” and “closed eyes” approaches and never to be accused as a great decision maker.
GreenBeret7 -
Just a detour from the topic of the moment back to something you posted last night about Nolan Ryan.
I started out as a Mets fan and so I saw Ryan pitch as a kid in the NL. He could not be hit but the other side of that was, unfortunately, if you were lucky enough not to strike out, you walked! He walked a lot of hitters. He pitched high in the strike zone.
At the time, if you recall, the NL and AL umpires were uniformed differently. The NL had moved to the smaller chest protectors worn under the uniform, while the AL still retained the outer chest protector.
When Ryan was traded from the Mets to the Angels (I’m pretty sure it was the Cal Angels, anyway, it was to the AL), he very much benefitted from what in the day was accepted as a higher strike zone in the AL. He got many more called strikes in the AL that were balls in the NL. The reason for the difference was the obstructed vision of the umpires behind the outer chester protector. So, I believe Ryan was able to develop and mature as a pitcher in an environment that was more conducive to the way he was pitching at a young age. I know as he matured, he got better and better at controlling his pitches, and of course, he was became the Nolan Ryan of legend.
Back to the topic of the moment.
Believe it or not, the Mitchell report is NOT just another chapter in the daily saga of the Yankees vs. Red Sox rivalry.
in light of today’s leaks…
GM
Buster Olney on Mike and Mike just said an agent told him that one of his players was called by the Mitchell Investigation with allegations and he met with them.
When he got there, he was handed a check he had written to Radomski and asked to explain it.
The player said he couldn’t remember what he had written a check to Radomski for- could have been a pizza delivery, could have been a personal errand, could have been a clubhouse tip but it definitely wasn’t for any drug purchase.
The Mitchell investigation went back to Radomski and then let the agent know that the player was cleared.
The same agent then had a second player contacted by the investigation.
The second guy said he would not meet with them unless he was told what they were going to ask about so he could defend himself properly.
Mitchell investigators told him they could not tell him so the player declined the interview.
If they had a check from that player, without refuting it, that player might appear in the report for nothing more than a pizza delivery or personal errand.
Don’t just get caught up in a name that shows up, look at the evidence behind it that got it included too.
I hope that Ortiz is on the mitchell report
Several prominant Yankees will be named, no Mets from the current 40 man will be named. This is from a “source”.
I hope this is not true. If it is, I want to know the source, what they are accused of taking, if it was illegal at the time of use.
The Mitchell Report Is Coming
The big story of today will undoubtedly be the Mitchell Report this afternoon. Dozens of current and former players are expected to be named, and they won’t all be scrubs.
As you know, the focus of MLBTR is trades and free agent signings, hot stove stuff. I don’t consider steroid rumors a big part of it. So I’ll probably cover a little of it, focusing how the current hot stove landscape may be altered.
I did receive one tip on this topic – my guy says the Yankees are in for a bad day (but Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera are not in the report).
Wow, they make it sound like we have a team of cheaters!
giambi
clemens
pettite
arod
sheffield is on it! he gotta be
farnsworth
hmmm..
I don’t know how much I am going to buy into this report, the more I am hearing, the less I will believe it. I don’t think the evidence against the players will be strong enough. So Mitchell will have flushed 50-60 million down the toliet.
If they are going to use a check written to the Met clubhouse guy as evidence, I mean come on, that is total crap!!
Exactly, Pat.
Names being on the list means nothing. Its how they got on the list.
If a guy writes a check to Radomski, with no proof that check went to purchasing steroids, and he is implicated because he won’t talk about it, that’s a bunch of crap.
It will make a mockery of the report.
These are reputations we are talking about here.
I sure as hell hope baseball understand that because, if Buster’s reporting is true (I have no reason to question its validity because he is an honest guy), then the Mitchell investigators will have a lot of explaining to do if they wrongly point the finger at a player because he didn’t cooperate with the investigation.
Mike Greenberg just read a report from the Bergen Record which reported that several Yankees and no Mets would be in the Mitchell Report. If Mitchell doesn’t have a positive test and concrete evidence, then he has very little. The risk is ruining a player’s reputation over hearsay evidence. There will be some people who buy 100 percent into the Mitchell Report, but until I see some positive tests and some hard evidence, I won’t buy it.
it just amazing to me because the guy heading the search is a former Red Sox employee and I have yet to see a headline say the Red Sox will be hit by this report, if it was fair and impartial you’d think the RS would have several players on this list. Again here we go..
Exactly Brian, if we see big name Yankees, and no Red Soxs, or just Nomar, Jeremy Giambi(since he admitted it) and Gabe Kapler (since everyone thinks he did it). I will have even less faith in it. It would look like a witch hunt against the Yankees.
I just want to know the names already! I can’t stand waiting!!
BREAKING NEWS: Mitchell is blaming Global Warming.
SJ44:
There are some widely used professional standards for auditors and investigators in doing their field work and in stating their findings and recommendations in resulting reports. There are standards in the GAO Yellow Book, the IIA Red Book and the President’s Council on Integrity and Efficiency (PCIE) in investigations
http://www.ignet.gov/pande/standards1.html.
The link above is to the PCIE standards. Have a look at some of the standards if you have the time. It will raise numerous questions about how this report and investigation were done. I doubt that any independent, outside review of the report would conclude that Mitchell generally followed any of these standards; he probably would have failed the “independence” or lack of personal impairments test before he even passed “Go.”
When did the MLB institute their drug policy?
I think it was 2003.
this place is going to be disaster when that report comes out.
The comparison of baseball cards showing David Ortiz as a slim Twin versus a beefy Boston player will be passed off with his long love of cheeseburgers catching up to him as he aged.
Legally this document is worth about $0.50 if you recycle it, but The problem is that it will manipulate public opinion and tarnish reputations forever(with the help of the “media”).
Implications of steroid use will be tied to this report for years to come.
how can there be no current Mets on the list when Scott Schoenweiss has already been implicated?
hmmm:
This place will merely be a microcosm of the real world reaction. There will be plenty of ink spilled and very little light shed. Most of the articles are already written, waiting only for the list of names to be included. The coverage will be like TMZ meets Perez Hilton.
Murph,
The link doesn’t work.
I have always had my doubts with this investigation. I was in Tampa this summer when the Mitchell Investigators descended on the Rays and Yankees training staff.
Without divulging any private conversations, let’s just say, from what I was told, I was troubled by the line of questioning.
As I have said in other posts, I just don’t understand the end game here. Most fans don’t understand how a clubhouse works.
Clubhouse attendants are tipped by the players. Often, they are given cash. But, there are some instances where they are given checks.
Now, ask yourself something. If you are interested in purchasing PED’s, why are you (the player) doing it by check? It makes no sense.
Its why this entire thing is upsetting to me. It just seems like a players witchhunt to protect the legacy of a Commissioner whose letter of resignation should be have demanded once this stuff hit the fan.
If any current Yankees are named, hopefully the rest of the team will give those players the support that they will need at a time like this. It would also be a good time for the fans to rally around the players. When you’re an athlete and you are going through a tough time, I imagine that it would mean a great deal to have the support of your teammates and of the fans.
If the drug policy was in effect since 2003, what’s the point of the report? It shouldn’t even matter what a player was taken if the league didn’t have a drug policy until 4 years ago.
“This place will merely be a microcosm of the real world reaction. ”
plus dozens of fake handles from gloating Sox trolls.
Why does everyone want Oritz on this list? He seems like a decent, genuine guy. Team allegiences aside, I hope the seemingly good guys (Ortiz, David Wright, Vlad, Maddux, etc.) are clean.
“this place is going to be disaster when that report comes out.”
hahhahaha
thats great
yeah, we know what yankee is going to be on it: Giambi. Thats no big news. Everyone after that, its going to be people that came and went ala terrance longs of the world.. thats what i think
I think jorge is going to be on it.
Pete needs to make sure someone is here to monitor the blog if the reports are true re: Yankees. It will be unreadable with all the morons coming to post.
Lets just hope for the best until the list comes out.
“yeah, we know what yankee is going to be on it: Giambi. Thats no big news. Everyone after that, its going to be people that came and went ala terrance longs of the world.. thats what i think”
i don’t think so migames.
from everything we are hearing, there are going to be some yankees on that list that will shock and dismay us.
i really think there will be someone near and dear to our hearts named, someone like (just examples, not accusations) Tino, O’Neill, Posada, Bernie, or Pettitte.
You’re right about the differences in the strike zones and why, Doreen. And the chest protector styles were the main reason. But, around 1979-80, his walks started dropping dramatically. He was still throwing hard, but, learned to back off a couple of miles and that really helped. He could still throw 100+ if he wanted to, but, he found out he was getting as many strikeouts on his curve as on his fastball. When you’re still hiting 97-98 on the gun, 2-4 MPH really doesn’t matter. Few will hit it any way, That was the very same thing with Koufax, who threw almost as hard as Ryan. Nobody could touch him, but, he couldn’t find the plate. Norm Sherry told him to quit throwing so hard and it mde all of the difference in the world. I’ve been lucky enough to watch both of them pitch live, and, I swear, you could hear the ball hiss Sam McDowll had the same fastball, but, Sudden Sam also drank and never did get control of the ball or himself. Total waste of an amazing pitcher. Ryan was still clocking out at 94-96 at the age of 46. His last year he could hit 94-95, but, found out he was pitching with a torn tendon in his arm. That’s the only reason he stopped then. A year and a half of rehab would have made him 49. Those guys were fun to watch, though.
Is this report really going to amount to anything more than people pointing fingers at each other.
IMO, Bud did this to get congress off his back and make himself look like a good guy. To me he will always be remembered as being the commish overseeing the “Steriod Era” and there is no report that will change that.
Also, who paid for the Mitchell report; MLB, PA, Tax payers???
I hope you are wrong hmmm. I will still love and support them if that is the case.
The trolls are going to have a field day with this report. Get ready for all the “Breaking News” and “It’s official” posts.
So the Mets are 100% clean? lol Give me a break! There’s players cheating on every team.
Vadar I emailed Pete to ask that. I want to know as well. Who layed out the 50-60 million this investiagtion cost? Couldn’t that money have been better spent instead of soiling peoples reputations?
“If the drug policy was in effect since 2003, what’s the point of the report? ”
well, steroids have been ILLEGAL since before 2003. the point of the report is to document the fact that this was a very well-known “secret” for more than a decade and MLB did nothing about it. i think that is a worthy goal.
what is not a worthy goal is listing specific players’ names based on very shaky evidence.
“i really think there will be someone near and dear to our hearts named, someone like (just examples, not accusations) Tino, O’Neill, Posada, Bernie, or Pettitte.”
well then, makes you wanna go hmmmmm
The info about several prominate Yankees being named was told thru a third party. You know it is kind of like telephone you played as a kid. The information got changed as it went thru more people.
hmm it isn’t necessarly just players who “took” steroids who will be named it will be supliments.
“I hope you are wrong hmmm. I will still love and support them if that is the case.”
well, this isn’t my prediction. this is what’s being leaked: that there are several “prominent” yankees on the list. it’s also been leaked that Jeter and Rivera are not on the list. there are only so many “prominent” yankees left, right?
take the leaks with the appropriate grain of salt, of course.
but i believe them, since there were only 3 sources that this report was based on, and one of them worked in NY. so the report is going to be skewed towards NY players.
what time is the report suppose to go public?
my guess sometime before 2 PM
ESPN says Clemens is in.
Roger Clemens first name to break via Sean Sallsbury
Why is baseball held to this golden standard while football players get caught with steroids at a higher rate than baseball?
Its kinda a hypocrisy
Former Yankee trainer said that he gave Roger Clemens steriods before and while he was a Yankee.
If the Mitchell Report hurts reputations with false implications, then Mitchell is in for a lot of legal action against him. While he is a former Senator, this investigation is not being done as a Senator.
I won’t be surprised to see the players union taking legal action against Mitchell and possibly even the commissioner. All it takes is one name on the list to be proven incorrect and Mitchell will be a very poor man.
Not surprised…
Just read on MLBTR “the yanks are in for a bad day.”
Great. I really hope Alex Rodriguez isnt on the list. Dealing with his drama for the next 10 years will be painful enough if he’s clean. If he is a “steriods guy,” I dont think I can watch nationally televised yankees games for the next 10 years.
I heard Mitchell will not and cannot be subject to legal action.
I want to know how many players will file law suits. The fall-out of this report is going to get ugly.
SJ44 :
Unfortunately, the Commissioner will get through this latest fiasco unscathed with his constant references to how he’s called for strict testing (for just enough years to show an attempt has been made).
Again using integrity of the game, he’ll call for yet another independent testing source and raise his voice is a slightly higher decibel.
Jennifer my understanding is that he can be sued bu that part of the deal was the MLB would indemnify him meaning they would cover him legally
If his report is found to be faulty then he will be subject to legal action. If he is responsible for ruining a person’s reputation, costing them potential millions, and its based on evidence that can’t stand up in court, then Mitchell goes on the hook for it.
So he can call out players but he doesn’t have to face the fire if it not true.
Clemens not surprising. If it was a former Yankee trainer giving him steroids than that means he was supplying it to other Yankee players. Oh boy!
Who can be suprised that Roger Clemens is named in the report? I can’t. The guy is a freak.
Selig had his villain in Bonds…should have just moved on. Now, this thing will only serve to exonerate him a bit, especially with the inclusion of Clemens. Sh*t.
Too bad about Rasner…a gutty kid who has twice the character of Pavano. Might see him land in Baltimore.
Vader
Email Pete and ask him. I’m curious as well. There has to be some kind of legal recourse for players if they aren’t guilty but were accused.
IMO this whole thing is a witch hunt, some times it is better to let somthings left unsaid.
All baseball had to do was impliment a drug testing policy and go forward.
Now we know why Anthony McCarren of the Daily News asked Pettitte about Brian McNamee in the conference call yesterday.
It was a setup question due to McNamee’s testimony to the Mitchell People.
John, someone posted an article. The Yankees have already made Rasner and offer. They want him to stay a Yankee, but needed the roster spot. He will be back.
Wang may be a ‘roid head, seems like every other Yankee is.
You know what really doesn’t make sense to me is why Selig wants this report to be his legacy in baseball which is a pretty weak thing to be remembered for.
If anything he’ll be remembered for chasing fans away by constanly bringing up the memories of the ex he is bitter about.
Selig’s legacy will be the game reaching all time highs in revenue and the introduction of the Wild Card.
ESPN is reporting Clemens is on the list and his trainer admitted to giving him illegal drugs… while ON THE YANKEES. EEI is also reporting this.
MLB Trade Rumors.com says it is going to be a bad day for the Yankees – suggesting their “guy” thinks their are a bunch of Yankees on the list. Pettitte, Clemens, ? Oh damn.
Quick question, does anyone think this will make the players less likely to do interviews and public appearances?
Also, what do you think the players think about Selig?
I can’t wait for the day when a player pulls the rug out from inder some high ranking official, like say Sandy Alderson and say he knew along and did nothing about it.
Does eveyone remeber 1994? It took about 3-5 years to recover and now MLB is probably at its peak in terms of revenue and Selig needed to open Pandora’s Box.
He may go down as the dumbest commish ever.
I think Edwar Ramirez must be on the list. Nobody could get that big without a little help.
IMO this whole thing is a witch hunt, some times it is better to let somthings left unsaid.
Ha. Yeah, especially when it comes to tarnishing that Yankee name.
1. Clubhouse attendants will now be listed on team directories as just plain go-fers. Car washes, dry cleaners, pizza, etc. will be main functions as shown on job descriptions. A new position will be created and termed ” Player uniform preparer “.
2. Fallout from the Mitchell Report will NOT equal the Santana banter of recent weeks on this and other boards.
GreenBeret7 mentioned a guy named Brad Eldred who was just non-tendered by the mighty Pittsburgh Pirates. The kid hit a tone of home runs — at a record rate — in AA. If he were used properly, he might pay off for the Yanks.
“ESPN is reporting Clemens is on the list and his trainer admitted to giving him illegal drugs… while ON THE YANKEES.”
yes, it said “while on the yankees AND EARLIER”.
you must be a Blue Jays fan.
If Arod is on it, I really want to see a law suit filed by him and Boras. Selig is a freaking moron if he thinks this report will in any way help the game. This whole situation reeks of stupidity.
So, we’re expecting to hear Pettitte’s name at 2pm as well?
As others have said, steroids have been rampant in the NFL for YEARS. I’m sure MLB is no different.
I may not be surprised that Clemens has been named, but I can say I’m surprised a 45 year old’s body can hold up for this long without the side effects younger guys like Giambi have experienced. Maybe it’s a matter of the levels used and a dozen other things, but seems odd a guy can do steroids as long as Clemens supposedly has and not have his body fall apart like Giambi’s.
SJ when I posted that yesterday and while listening I knew right away it had to be why he asked it as it came out of left field in terms of the other questions being asked.
Clemens comes asno surpie as his name has been mentioned before for me the interesting thing will be the NEW names that come out as well as what info they have ie the threshold used
Again, Mitchell’s report is invalid if it does not list Manny Ramirez as the number one violater in the major leagues.
It has nothing to do about the Yankees and all to do about Baseball. If you like baseball this a bad day.
Alos, if some Sawx players on it you will turn a blind eye. It is like NE fans with Randy Moss, when he was on the Raiders and Vikings, EEI trashed him now that he wears a Patriot uniform, he is a model citizen.
now cnn.com is reporting the news in big bold letters. geesh, the report hasnt come out yet and it has begun.
They should have given this responsibilty to Cashman, nobody would know there was a report coming and then one day we wake up and boom, cashman releases his reports with all the names.
Is anybody to imagine WEEI as a credible source ? Just another NYC wannabe trying to emulate big brother in the city that never sleeps. What’s next ? Curt “table-for-one” Schilling’s blog is viewed like none other ?
Does anyone here find it annoying that we had to give up 3 instead of 2 because Pavano wouldnt take a minor league contract? I do. Rasner and DeSalvo showed some potential even if not star quality
so much for the dynasty years
“now cnn.com is reporting the news in big bold letters. geesh, the report hasnt come out yet and it has begun.”
this kindof makes me think A-Rod will not be named.
i mean, Clemens is a JUICY JUICY leak, but no one would be juicier than A-Rod.
i would guess there would be no way to contain the leak if A-Rod was named.
but i have been wrong many times before.
alright
so we got giambi and clemens so far..
no surprise there..
and yea. that means pettite as well..
perhaps oswalt will get named..
It’s going to be a loooooong day.
And why the bloody hell is it snowing?! I have to drive home tomorrow and at this rate they won’t plow my road till tomorrow evening!
I hope that Clemens is the beloved Yankee that’s supposed to be in the report, because, well, he’s not so beloved after going to Texas the first time.
Not likely, but still hoping.
The stupid part is if it’s true, it won’t affect his HOF chances while the pearly gates will be shut for Bonds. Not a Bonds fan, but it’s just funny how one guy’s going to be villified when it’s becoming increasingly obvious that the steroid culture existed in every clubhouse in MLB.
SJ44, that link works if you remove the period at the end.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3153129
Bud ACTUALLY said (BLEEP)IT ? as in F**K It ?
“so we got giambi and clemens so far..”
………….don’t forget Sheff.
Anyone want to bet that Curt will do an emergency spot on WEEI, to talk about this?
So…many Yankees are on the list and now everything thinks this report is the height of biased stupidity. Would everyone feel the same way if we had heard that today would be a bad day for the Mets and Sox?
I’m a huge Yankee fan, but c’mon. Be fair. Surely there were better ways this could have been done, but it DOES deserve some respect.
“I hope that Clemens is the beloved Yankee that’s supposed to be in the report, because, well, he’s not so beloved after going to Texas the first time.”
that depends if Pettitte is along for the ride…
do you think clemens will be the biggest name then?
This is going to be an absolutely devastating day. Long time Yankee fan, the Mitchell report matters a lot to me. I will never view players who are on there the same again. Also, if a lot of players from any of the Championship teams show up on the list, will have to questions the validity of the championship.
Are we all supposed to believe that owners, executives and other team officials didn’t know this was going on?
snowing..hah! here in georgia the high is a cool 77 today
“Does anyone here find it annoying that we had to give up 3 instead of 2 because Pavano wouldnt take a minor league contract? I do. Rasner and DeSalvo showed some potential even if not star quality”
yes, it’s annoying. but Rasner is going to be back.
Again, Mitchell’s report is invalid if it does not list Manny Ramirez as the number one violater in the major leagues.
yeah, the most consistent player in all of baseball. I’d assume he’s been on it forever too, especially if I were on the Yankee fan bus. You wish, guy. Manny doesn’t care enough to risk his own body harm.
ok who wants to bet the next name leaked is a Yankee
If A-Rod were on the list the Mitchell would have made sure that a copy of the report was left on his desk “accidentally” when one of his Red Sox buddies came around.
I think Ortiz juiced, and remember his comment earlier in the year that he said he didn’t really know, he was given things to drink and so on?
The big story of the next week will be about the record number of law suits being brought up against Mitchell and Selig.
But why release Rasner instead of Ramirez?
If Clemens is the only Yankee to be named, I will say that the Yanks actually got off light…
SJ:
Sorry about the link. I clipped it from the PCIE website so it’s “findable.” Just Google PCIE if you are interested.
It’s a shame the investigators didn’t know the terrain better. But that’s what happens, especially when there are no informants to provide the insider info needed to crack a secretive (criminal) enterprise. In the law enforcement world it’s called the Blue Wall of Silence for cops and Omerta for the Wise Guys. Here it was Omerta in jockstraps and stirrup socks.
The real downside is that investigators who know they are being shut out sometimes take their frustrations out on the “targets” and fire scattershot instead of with precision.
So much for the dynasty years? Are you kidding?
Please, stop with the childish nonsense. We will have enough of that in here today.
“Would everyone feel the same way if we had heard that today would be a bad day for the Mets and Sox?”
yes.
a flawed process is a flawed process no matter what the outcome.
I heard Mitchell will not and cannot be subject to legal action.
How is that possible, if he implicates someone based on receipts without evidence that could be considered slander (and could affect the person’s career/reputation), why wouldn’t that individual have the right to sue? I can’t see the Union or players agreeing to that.
“But why release Rasner instead of Ramirez?”
i would imagine b/c they spoke to him and he was willing to accept a minor league deal.
it’s a non-issue. Rasner will be in ST competing for the long-man role in the bullpen.
“If A-Rod were on the list the Mitchell would have made sure that a copy of the report was left on his desk “accidentally†when one of his Red Sox buddies came around.
I think Ortiz juiced, and remember his comment earlier in the year that he said he didn’t really know, he was given things to drink and so on?
The big story of the next week will be about the record number of law suits being brought up against Mitchell and Selig.”
HAHA, way to think rationally!
Save this mindless drivel, deal with the fact that your team may very well be chock-full of cheaters.
When the CDC investigates the outbreak, be sure to tell them that the first sign of infection appeared at 10:22 a.m. EST
This is not going to be a “devastating” day for me. The conflict of interest is blatent. I wonder what the fall out will be. If someone smeared my name without concrete evidence, I would sue for libel.
why is everyone so nervous? Are we gonna stop going to yankees games? I mean come on, clemens was a freak that pitched till he was 45 years old…
I;m guessing David Ortiz will get away scott free today
“The source said McNamee told investigators he supplied Clemens with steroids while Clemens was with the Yankees, and prior to Clemens joining the team.”
“So…many Yankees are on the list and now everything thinks this report is the height of biased stupidity. Would everyone feel the same way if we had heard that today would be a bad day for the Mets and Sox?
I’m a huge Yankee fan, but c’mon. Be fair. Surely there were better ways this could have been done, but it DOES deserve some respect.”
No it doesn’t. The manner in which it was done and the sources it is using are complete bulls***. I don’t care that Yanks are named. I realize up to 30-40% of players were using at the height of the steroid era. I’m not naive enough to think none of those are Yankees. The problem I have is that they aren’t going to be able to name that full 30-40%, instead they’ll name about 80 people and those people will bear the brunt of the criticism when it was an industry-wide problem, all the way from the top down. I have absolutely no respect for any type of report that names names in this scenario, none at all. What good comes from doing that?
i’m sorry but i don’t feel it will be a devastating day for us. I root for the laundry not the players. this is a biased report that will attempt to get Congress of baseballs back. these 80 or so guys are just collateral damage. in a couple of weeks we will all be talking about starting lineups and rotations. Baseball can’t be killed by grandstanding politicions. 63 days till Pitchers and catchers
think Ortiz juiced, and remember his comment earlier in the year that he said he didn’t really know, he was given things to drink and so on
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So, a guy who put up ALL of his numbers right in the middle of the testing era, when scrutiny is at it’s peak is on the list?
Jesus, people. Stop wishing so hard.
who cares about david ortiz, if the guy never took roids, why do you want him on this list?
“I;m guessing David Ortiz will get away scott free today”
- So then Jeter is also, right?
Anyone notice the veteran relievers that were non-tendered yesterday? Kiko Calero, Akinori Otsuka, Brendan Donnelly, Matt Wise, etc… I’d love to see the Yankees take a flyer on Otsuka & Calero.
tough day:
And if players on the teams the Yankee faced in the Championship years show up on the list too, what say ye then?
You cannot suppose only the Yankees juiced. If it’s true that it was so widespread, the logical answer to this whole problem is that since everybody did it, PEDs had an equal (if inappropriate) effect across the game. The juicers canceled each other out and the result was that the game was played on a level, albeit illegally elevated, plane.
I hate the leaks. It’s like water torture. Drip. Drip. Drip.
Rebecca -
I’d almost – almost – rather have snow than the stuff we’re getting here in central NJ – kind of a sleet/rain/ice mixture. I always worry because my younger daughter takes the bus home from school, about 25 minutes away, and I don’t relax until she’s home. There are times school is open but I choose not to send her if the weather’s bad.
Mel that is a good one.
And anyone who buys into this report hook line and sinker without reading it and taking into account the evidence is stupid.
I don’t know – I just think I might go buy a crash helmet over my lunch break.
I’ll reserve comment until we see all the names on the list.
People want to think the world is pure and good, but I’m sorry to break it to everyone, but it is not.
“I;m guessing David Ortiz will get away scott free today”
-As scott free as Jeter.
Anyone notice the veteran relievers that were non-tendered yesterday? Kiko Calero, Akinori Otsuka, Brendan Donnelly, Matt Wise, etc… I’d love to see the Yankees take a flyer on Otsuka & Calero.
It’s probably because they’re on that list, man. Think logically!
Yankee Diva
“I heard Mitchell will not and cannot be subject to legal action.”
MLB probably gave him indemnification against any legal judgments related to his service to MLB, but that is not the same as being immune from being sued. MLB may also be paying his legal costs of defense.
UGh it is starting already. He idiots, go join the other idiots on the mlb message boards, you’ll get along with them just fine. You are not wanted here.
???
I think most of the non tendered players will end up re-signing with their original clubs either with ST invites or Minor league deals. They are just giving their teams more flexibility with their 40 man roster.
It seems like more than any other years that there are some really good players being non-tendered.
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You oull a name like Ortiz out of the air because you don’t like the guy or his team, yet you question when someone does the same to a guy you root for.
Way to look at it fairly.
if anything, this report will show that steroids was all around. And what does that mean? It created more or less level playing field. Hence, nobody will care. When the names McGwire and Sosa broke, we thought they were the only ones, then more names started to leak and then we saw that random minor leaguer and journeymen were implicated. In the end of the day, i think of it as a level playing field. Everything always evens out.
Anyone think the Yankees should take a flyer on Mark Prior?
Okay, guys, we need a healthy dose of optimism in here, so here’s what I propose:
No matter what happens today, we hold fast. We don’t let it affect our fandom, we ARE Yankee fans, it runs in our blood.
We have overcome obstacles before, we will overcome this one. This is what the greatest franchise in history does–accepts truth as truth, and moves on.
Im sure ESPiN is enjoying every minute of this. Their anti-Yankee bias has been obvious for years and years.
Vader–They should get Mark Prior. Hopefully, they do.
How many people thought Canseco was a fool, a guy looking to get his name in the lights one last time, when he came out with his book?
He must be sitting back and laughing right now.
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You oull a name like Ortiz out of the air because you don’t like the guy or his team, yet you question when someone does the same to a guy you root for.
Way to look at it fairly.
NYPD113th
Agreed – you have to look at this fairly.
Arod
Damon
Posada
Giambi
Farnsworth
Pettite
Clemens
I dont get the “Jeter Scott free” theme by NYPD. Is this a Sox guy obsessed with Jeter? Get over it.
maybe it’s a crush
Look at it “fairly”?
Do you think its “fair” only Yankee names/rumors are being bantied about right now?
Please, can the “fair” crap. If this was actual fairness, then they wouldn’t be ANY leaks prior to the release of the document.
The pollyanna stuff is as annoying as the leaks in this case.
With the win or else culture that pervades the Bronx, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if prominent Yankees took performance-enhancing drugs.
But guess what? I don’t care. I even applaud the drive that led them to do so. And I thank them for the results the drugs may or may not have abetted. I only regret they may have inflicted lasting damage to their bodies in the process.
(Heck, if there was a performance enhancing drug I could take that would allow me to be twice as productive in my work, I can’t say I wouldn’t use it.)
If Mitchell’s report does include all the Yankees, however, and is devoid of Red Sux player, it will only further taint its objectivity. Mitchell should know better. The ethical canon requires a lawyer to recuse himself at the mere appearance of a conflict of interest, regardless of whether one exists or not.
What about Mark Hendrickson for the ‘pen?
SJ I thought you liked the optimism
NYPD113th – Brandon has stated on this board before that the rumors of Ortiz’s steroid use are rampant in the DR. I can confirm this. I travel to the Dominican Republic constantly and it is a somewhat poorly kept secret.
It’s not about not liking the guy, because I must admit that no matter how hard I try I can’t bring myself to dislike him. If it were about hating someone I would spread Manny Ramirez rumors.
The one guy i dont want to see in it is arod for the simple fact of there goes bringing the “clean” hr record back.
Look at it “fairly�
“Do you think its “fair†only Yankee names/rumors are being bantied about right now?
Please, can the “fair†crap. If this was actual fairness, then they wouldn’t be ANY leaks prior to the release of the document.
The pollyanna stuff is as annoying as the leaks in this case.”
-One name has been leaked-Clemens. What other names are you hearing?
The other Yanks have admitted cheating- Sheff and Giambi
When someone talks like that it should raise more questions.
oh you picked the wrong poster, first off I’m not exactly Jeter’s biggest fan, 2nd no genius I mentioned Ortiz because I’m part latino and have been to Dominican ABCD camps in La Capital and baseball camps in San Pedro de Macoris, David Ortiz is looked as high as Sosa up there, but the leaks are he is not natural and has even admitted to not knowing if he used an illegal substances check on it yourself I don’t BS when it come to this type of stuff
nypd why don’t you go talk on a red sox blog and talk about how dirty the yankees are. all you are doing on here is trying to be combative.
Interesting that his initials are BB……
“When someone talks like that it should raise more questions.”
Keep those fingers crossed Bean.
Okay guys, I’m gonna hop off for a bit to get clean. Hope nothing too huge happens in the meanwhile.
Keep your chin ups. What’s done can’t be undone, but we can move on.
Hey, anyone know if the Yankees would have an interest in Mark Prior. Anyone know what kind of contract Prior would expect? I would think the Yankees could afford a $3-5 million dollar gamble.
I just finished reading Three Days in August. Man, I forgot how dominating Prior once was.
“nypd why don’t you go talk on a red sox blog and talk about how dirty the yankees are. all you are doing on here is trying to be combative.”
Good work jen, stay off the topic, it’s safer.
Bean Stringfellow-
But he is from Boston nothing gonna happen.I bet you there is not one Major League Boston Baseball player.Especially not more then the Yankees.
Why is Steve Phillips talking about this? Isn’t he just as guilty as anyone else, he was afterall a gm.
Consider the source. Mitchell previously worked in the Red Sox organization. After this report is complete, he will regain his previous position in the Red sox organization
Who writes a check for pizza delivery? More important, who writes checks for hundreds or thousands of dollars for pizza? LOL, you Yankee fans are funny. And sooo naive. And so much in denial.
Late to the thread today.
SJ44:
Thanks for earlier shedding some light on Mitchell’s position in the Red Sox organization.
Hopefully, it will reassure some of the commenters who believe the Red Sox will get an automatic pass because of his affiliation.
“Consider the source. Mitchell previously worked in the Red Sox organization. After this report is complete, he will regain his previous position in the Red sox organization”
“But he is from Boston nothing gonna happen.I bet you there is not one Major League Boston Baseball player.Especially not more then the Yankees.”
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
What is funny is how many fans from other teams come to Yankees blog. I mean I know I waste alot of time following a team that I like, not one that I don’t like.
NYPD113th – You keep picking on the posts that are easiest for you to do so buddy. I’m pretty sure everyone here is on to you.
Good bye.
see me being part Dominican I read this comment and say “close one” anyone else should have been like GTFO what a bunch of BS ! unless David Ortiz is the most retarded Dominican this comment lets me further no and I think this comment is from the summer because I remember when he said it, but not one 12 yr. old or 14 yr. old kid in D.R. is given something by a baseball trainer w/o knowing what it is.
We all know the Red Sox are all as pure as the freshly fallen snow, why should there be any doubts?
Except for of course for 29 laptops and Ike Turner at SS.
Heard on radio that Petitte has now been named.
NYPD113th – Please dispute Brandon’s post or quit YOUR crying. Typical. Picks on the little ones and can’t dance with the big boys. BOUNCE BACK TO THE BOSOX TRASH!!!!!
so it looks like this is not going to be the place to follow this stuff today.
have fun guys.
“NYPD113th – You keep picking on the posts that are easiest for you to do so buddy. I’m pretty sure everyone here is on to you.
Good bye.”
Just because I am not whining like others about how there’s a worldwide conspiracy against everything Yankees?
Give it a rest.
I am quite sure that there will be Red Sox, Brewers, and Dbacks on the list.
However, the Yankee organization sure does seem to have a track record with this stuff.
*no (I was pissed reading that)
New post.
Add Pettitte
Arod officially signed and finalized
I don’t think Sheff ever admitted anything – publicly, anyway. He was implicated in BALCO, but Giambi’s the only one I know who ever intimated what he actually did.
Didn’t Sheffield say unless you injected it, it was not steroids and he didn’t inject “nothin” ?
I really can’t believe people are sitting here writing they “hope” someone’s name turns up on the list. I find it hard to wish hardship on anyone, even if in the end, the person brought his own suffering on himself.
The PEDs were accepted. They were accepted by the players – even the players who chose not to dabble themselves did not call out those who did; they were accepted by coaches/managerstrainers who either knew of and ignored or actively or passively encouraged their use; they were accepted by ownership, who surely welcomed the financial gain that was the side dish; they were accepted by MLB and the Players Association because the bottom line was, is and always will be MONEY.
There are many good things about free agency; but I think the unfortunate collateral damage was the competition for the money to be had out there if you could hit more homeruns, stay healthy, pitch more innings, throw harder. The sky was the limit. And if a player knew that player A was cheating (using PEDs) and being paid handsomely as a result, then that player certainly would be tempted to do the same. For the life of me, I do not and will not ever, ever understand why non-cheating players condoned the whole thing.
Anyway, it’s a sad day. And the sour taste will remain in baseball for a long time.
I really don’t know why names have to be named. If you want to solve things going forward, then go forward. The focus is not going to be on making the necessary testing changes; the focus is going to be on the players who are rightly or wrongly accused here. And my gut feeling is the guys who people like, who are perceived as having been good teammates and “good guys” will get a pass, while those that were never liked anyway will bear the brunt of the storm.
Kill-Schill:
“The ethical canon requires a lawyer to recuse himself at the mere appearance of a conflict of interest, regardless of whether one exists or not.”
I’m not saying that there isn’t some type of conflict given Mitchell’s connection to the Sox, but I’m not sure it’s governed by the Canons of Legal Ethics.
Lawyers are directed to “avoid” even the appearance of impropriety, and, separately to avoid real or potential conflicts of interest. The word “avoid” leaves open many paths. Most, not all, legal conflicts of interest can be waived by a client after disclosure.
Assuming Mitchell is acting as a lawyer in this engagement, who is the client? Not the Yankees or Sox, but more likely MLB, an entity with a separate legal identity and existence from any of the individual teams and whose decision-maker is the Commissioner, Bud Selig. Thus, Mitchell’s connection to the Sox may be a conflict from the Yankees’ perspective, but neither they nor the Sox are Mitchell’s clients.
Selig, the client, doesn’t think his lawyer has a conflict of interest that might lead Mitchell to do other than zealously champion the rights of his client, MLB, and ethically do his job. For all we know Selig has explicitly waived any disclosed conflict in a document he gave to Mitchell.
But maybe Mitchell isn’t acting as a lawyer in this case at all, and not giving any legal advice or rendering any legal opinions. Rather he is working as an investigator hired to make findings and recommendations to MLB. A conflict under those circumstances is not as easily defined or remedied.
It doesn’t seem to occur to a slug like NYPD113th that the players being pointed out are players that came over from other teams, including the Red Sox. Strange that he hasn’t mentioned that. If the come to the Yankees with a problem, it’s not reasonable to assume that the uniform is going to make them stop. Again, you’re a slug. I assume that you fancy yourself as a police officer, huh?
Here is a link that answers a question about Mitchell’s chances of being sued and the ramifications. I think Sj may have answered it already.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3142722
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What if Mitchell is wrong and names a player who never used drugs?
If a player, with some help from the union, could show that Mitchell was wrong, it would be a legal and public relations disaster for Mitchell and Major League Baseball. A single blunder would cast doubt on the entire report. Even the most egregious evidence of drug use would become dubious. And the player would be in court seeking money damages for the defaming of his character and integrity. His lawsuit would be embarrassing and expensive. It would be embarrassing for Mitchell and expensive for MLB. Selig has promised Mitchell that MLB would pay liabilities that result from Mitchell’s work. It’s called an “indemnification” agreement, and it would require MLB to pay lawyers to defend Mitchell’s work and pay judgments that result from mistakes.
“I assume that you fancy yourself as a police officer, huh?”
– I “fancy” myself? LMAO, wow, OK.
Great job with the name calling by the way. It hurts more that it’s coming from a guy named after a woman’s hair accessory.
DARREL RASNER deserved better(nothing against the Yanks) but he will find a home somewhere as a 4th or 5th starter. He is a quality pitcher and I wish him the best.
It will be interesting to see what happens to Karstens, he falls into the same company. Perhaps he will take his game to another level this year after the Olympics.
I amn’t dumb enough to think that we could have traded fringe guys for stars, but I think that given the lack of quality starting pitching in the league. we could have gotten something for our AAA pitcher of the Year DeSalvo or Rasner.
Both guys could well find themselves on an opening day roster somewhere. Or provide solid injury cover. Which has a value and could have gotten us a decent lower level minor leaguer at least.