Live blogging the Mitchell press conference
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- December
- 13
1:59: It starts a minute early. Mitchell is thanking those who helped him.
2:02: I’ve seen some of the report. Clemens, Pettitte, Ron Villone, Mike Stanton and Rondell White are among those implicated by Kirk Radomski.
2:04: No MLB logos on the backdrop this time. Mitchell is saying a lot of players used steroids. Thanks, Columbo.
2:06: The report is here: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/news/mitchell/index.jsp
2:09: Mitchell is saying Radomski provided “substantial information.” This is a former clubbie who now runs a car wash and was testifying to get a lesser prison sentence. The players will deny, deny, deny on this.
2:10: Brian McNamee ratted out Clemens and Pettitte. I wonder what the Rocket will tell those four sons of his?
2:16: The report says Andy Petttitte used HGH when he had his elbow problem during his first stint with the Yankees. Clemens was using steroids, repeatedly.
2:18: Chuck Knoblauch was implicated through McNamee. … Mitchell is now saying that Selig should not discipline any player implicated. What does that tell you?
2:20: Mitchell says he found no evidence of drug use from within the last two years.
2:21: In looking at the report quickly, it seems that the bulk of the names are tied to Radomski for HGH.
2:24: Miguel Tejada was a Radomski client. Nice timing on that trade.
2:27: Paul Lo Duca, come on down! You’re on the report. Mitchell is droning on. Steroids are bad, look to the future, yada, yada, yada. He’s now inviting some professor to speak.
2:29: Based on a quick review, the Yankees didn’t fare that badly. Clemens was a steroids guy starting in Toronto. Pettitte took HGH in 2002 and Chuck Knoblauch was implicated. Other than Pettitte and Giambi, I can’t find any current Yankees.
2:35: I’m reading through the report. Other than Radomski, there is not much there. There are a lot of canceled checks. I’m sure these guys were buying drugs. But players give clubbies checks all the time.
Selig is getting off easy in this press conference.
2:44: You can get the report on our site: here.
2:49: The press conference is coming to a close soon.
2:51: The press conference is over.
2:53: The highlights:
Mitchell says the players shouldn’t be punished … Clemens used the juice in Toronto with Jose Canseco … Pettitte used HGH to rehab his elbow in 2002. … The only notable current players named are Pettitte and Tejada and that’s for HGH use several years ago.
The MLBPA will savage this report. Savage it.
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Just an early notice. The ESPNews correspondent at the event named some names to the viewers already. I know they’ll come out in minutes but he mentioned Clemens, Tejada, Vina, Segui, Lo Duca and Rondell White.
page 91 of report: Steroids Found in Boston Red Sox Player’s Car, June 2000
I’m downloading the report now. It’s in PDF form and is over 400 pages long!!!
Check out the appendices. Copies of courier receipts fro Kevin Brown, Matt Herges, Lansing. Also pages of cancelled checks.
Canseco gave roids to Roger Clemens!!!!!
Fernando Vina works for ESPN. Will be interesting to here what he has to say.
They have to have more than just the testimony of rats. If they don’t, they are ruining reputations.
It will be interesting to see what exactly is in the report, besides the names. As in, some corraborating evidence.
kevin brown!!! lol
“Just because a player has not tested positive, does not mean they are not a user.”
Sounds suspiciously like Joe McCarthy (the Senator).
migames,
That’s Manny Alexander.
where are all the Red Sox!!!!!!!! give me a break
Kevin Brown roid rage really?
Start with the end.
Gagné
Kevin Brown
McNamee recalled that he injected Pettitte with human
growth hormone that McNamee obtained from Radomski on two to four occasions. page 176
First time was in 2001(2)
David Eckstein, Nelson de la Rosa, Paul Reubens, OMG!!!
Oh, wait, sorry, wrong report.
no red sox players….mitchell will get fired if he includes any of them on the list
WHere’s just the list of players?
pg. 368 is a memo to all MLB players. They could have given info that would remain confidential.
So if someone came forward (ahem, Giambi) they wouldn’t be included?
this one is funny:
Villone first purchased human growth hormone from Radomski during the 2004
season.
migames,
was it 2 or was it 4?
Save you time and energy. Here is the only part you need to read:
Appendix A-1, Item 1
“I have been a consultant to the owners of the Boston Red Sox since that club was acquired in 2002 by an ownership group led by John W. Henry. The club labels that position “director.” I am not and have never been involved in any way in baseball operations, and I have no vote on any decisions by the owners. I do not now hold, nor have I in the past ever held, any ownership or other equity interest in the Red Sox.”
Why would anyone refuse to meet with George Mitchell? He’s such a warm and bubbly guy, it would be a treat to hang out with him. And I bet he would have picked up the tab for the Sam Adams and chowdah!
Radomski met Stanton around 2001 while he was pitching for the Yankees.
Radomski recalled making two sales of human growth hormone to Stanton. The first occurred in
2003, during Stanton’s first season with the Mets.
i searched the entire document and there are NO major red sox players on that list. Mo vaughn is the closest and it appears he got into it after being in boston.
after that, just a bunch of forgettable players…
Seems like almost all of the new names are from Radomski or Mcnamee—this really puts the screws on the New York players. The internet list was bogus.
This thing needs an index!
Kevin Brown? I want to know if the wall that broke his hand was juicing!
When the Boston Red Sox were considering acquiring Gagné, a Red Sox official
made specific inquiries about Gagné’s possible use of steroids. In a November 1, 2006 email to
a Red Sox scout, general manager Theo Epstein asked, “Have you done any digging on Gagne?
I know the Dodgers think he was a steroid guy. Maybe so. What do you hear on his
medical?”425
Pete must be sleeping right now, I mean Mr.Mitchell is just rambling right now
I’m sorry but is there any proof to any of the allegations? Are there any needles out there with Clemens(or anyone else’) dried up DNA on the tip? Otherwise this list is just bogus and speculation.
I want to see proof!
I think we need an asterisk next to all those Yankee Championships…hahahahaha
In an email to vice president of player personnel Ben Charington dated
December 13, 2006, Zack Scott of the Red Sox baseball operations staff wrote of Donnelly: “He
was a juice guy but his velocity hasn’t changed a lot over the years . . . If he was a juice guy, he
could be a breakdown candidate.”
Pettitte took HGH two to four times??? That’s it??
yeah, all they had were new york sources and the grimsley affidavit. no wonder there are a lot of ex-yankees.
No mention of Alex Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera, Derek Jeter or Jorge Posada.
So it could be worse.
you got to be kidding me 13 minutes in you couldn’t even wait an hour, jesus your one greedy basterd
if he doesn’t come up with more than a “he said” and then “he said” I find it hard to trust. Someone speculated earlier that this would be admissible in court. No way. Not to try and prove any of these guys used.
Why not an * on the last twenty years. How stupid is this whole thing.
Man his New England accent is something. I’m just waiting for a “Steroids ah wicked bad” to slip out.
Pettitte, Clemens, Stanton, Glenallen Hill, Justice, Knoblauch, Villone, Kevin Brown, Giambi, Sheffield, Grimsley
Thats what you get when all your sources are from NY. Pretty stupid.
Justice, Knoblauch, Stanton, Grimsley, Clemens, Pettitte- I guess it could have been worse. But no Sox is a bit strange. Really glad that Arod’s numbers remain untainted though!
varitek, not on the list
The Pettitte chronology begin on page 175 of the Mitchell Report—223 of the .pdf file.
Apparently, McNamee injected Pettitte with HGH during his two-month stint of the disabled list in 2002 because “he wanted to speed his recovery and help his team.”
Good for you Andy!!!!!! I admire you even more than I already did!
Anyone know if I can pick up a copy of the report for MLB offices? I don’t want to print it here.
Is there any way for reporters to ask him questions? Is there a Q&A scheduled?
“Pettitte, Clemens, Stanton, Glenallen Hill, Justice, Knoblauch, Villone, Kevin Brown, Giambi, Sheffield, Grimsley”
These are the so-called “prominent” yankees????
this list is filled with o’pee’chee type players, yawn.
He didnt have alot of sources
So no soxs on the list? What a shock.
Yeah, from what I read Clemens sounded hardcore into it whereas Pettitte was using HGH to recover.
I can’t download from that link Peter posted. LoHud keeps asking me to login. I do, then nothing. Is there somewehere else I can download? Or can someone email it to me?
Does this mean we have to wipe out all those clutch wins that Kevin Brown got during his legendary tenure with the team?
This report should be named, Witch hunt of NY players.
Are all those players idiots? You don’t pay for illegal stuff with a check.
MORONS.
Do Crack dealers take checks? How stupid
Well, Mo Vaughn and Gange.
Disgraceful.
Players named with past/present Red Sox affiliation:
Mo Vaughn
Mike Lansing
Kent Mercker
Mike Stanton
Eric Gagne
Brendan Donnelly
Steve Woodard
Jose Canseco
Manny Alexander
Mike Spinelli (minor leaguer)
Paxton Crawford
Jeremy Giambi
Josias Manzanillo (minor leaguer)
Roger Clemens
Just to reiterate a point that I (and many others) made a while back. This report is a joke.
Way to get to the bottom of it, George. Your two most credible sources were an ex-clubhouse guy (who is oin trouble with the law) and a trainer. That’s it? 50 million down the drain and no closure. Great job.
Pete it tells me he isn’t sure all the information he got was 100% accurate.
LOL, he advises Selig to not suspend players unless the seriousness of their PED abuse warrants it.
He basically investigate 2 trainers from NY and an ex-Yankee who sold HGH. 25million doesn’t go as far as it once did.
what are red soz?
Well, I guess that’s a big sigh of relief for baseball. Apparently, the only city in baseball that had access to PEDs was New York. Cut that tentacle off and the problem will disappear.
What’s wrong with running a car wash, Pete?
Yeah, the canceled checks are ALL fakes!
The majority of the names are Yankees players. No Red Sox players on the list. This is a “Red Sox” slanted investigation. I’m not saying the report is completely false, but from an unobjectionable point of view, it looks flimsy.
I knew it..no Sux on the list…
This “report” is just sad. There is very little mention of any Red Sox players. They focus entirely on the Yankees from 2000 through 2001 when the trainer McNamee was working for them. You can tell this is entirely designed to take away from Pettitte and Clemens
Don Capone,
http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf
Mo Vaughn? Guess that stuff doesn’t always help eh?
“I think we need an asterisk next to all those Yankee Championships…hahahahaha”
and an asterisk next to the Report*
does his tea have ped?
Looks like 2 things are happening.
1) Mitchell is saying the PEDs are largely in the past.
2) MLBs latest drug policy worked.
I bet this, combined with MLBs PAC money will get congress off their back. This will all be over by Sunday morning when the NFL talk shows come on TV.
I would like to extend a congrats to Mitchell, you found a way to waste as much money as the government. What a complete joke.
So no major Red Sox player, Wow just shocking and the Red Sox trainers weren’t shaken down either amazing. Those 20 pounds of muscle Pedro put on after his shoulder injury were from Flintstones vitamins and most Superstar’s in baseball knock around as stiffs for 4 or 5 years before suddenly turning into all-stars like Ortiz wow
Where is Sosa, Pudge.. what a joke
26*
jennifer,
he was part of the government. would you expect anything less?
i’m pretty disappointed with the results. nothing earth-shattering, except it looks like they nailed clemens pretty good.
i would have expected mitchell to get more sources. he implicates players from a handful of teams and that’s it. weak.
Apparently, McNamee injected Pettitte with HGH during his two-month stint of the disabled list in 2002 because “he wanted to speed his recovery and help his team.”
Good for you Andy!!!!!! I admire you even more than I already did!
Kill,
I almost spewed my cocoa all over my computer. I can’t tell if you’re serious or not.
Kudos to Frank Thomas for being the one stand up guy from current players to actually talk to Mitchell.
Among current players I asked to interview were five who have spoken publicly about the issue. When I did so, I made clear that there was no suggestion that any of the five had
used performance enhancing substances, and I repeat here that clarifying statement. Four of the five declined. One of them, Frank Thomas of the Toronto Blue Jays, agreed. His comments were informative and helpful.
if mitchell was being graded on this as a thesis presentation, with basically two sources, he would fail.
This thing is bullsh!t.
What a waste of money
this report is like the hot girl, you finally get with her and then you realize there was nothing there and flawed.
Lame
At the beginning of this press conference, this fool said if a player tests negative for PEDs doesn’t necessarily mean he isn’t using any. What?! Granted, that might be possible, but that isn’t something u would want to say while giving a speech on PED abuse. LOL. sighs
A team with a convicted felon owner who was once suspended from baseball for life, and fans who think a season sans ring is an abject failure, has some sleazy folks in the clubhouse willing to do anything to win. No suprise to me
When Pettitte used HGH it was legal.
RE Pete’s 2:21 update:
If it is true that most of these players a re being tied to HGH use, the report is even more of a joke them I previously thought. There are plenty of studies out there that show that HGH usage does not enhance performance. Most of theme are recent and I will dig up some links when I have a minute, but this whole thing still stinks.
why do I continue to think “faithfully submitted by douglas c. niedermeyer, sergeant-at-arms” while I listen to Mitchell?
Well… I’m not gonna sit here and listen to you bad-mouth the United States of America… Gentlemen!
I’d like to point out my prediction yesterday: looks like I was right. IT’S A DOG AND PONY SHOW!!!
MLB wants to show two things.
1) They’re tough on PEDs.
2) The problem was largely in the past.
Don’t expect any of baseball’s young stars to be named. MLB will need all those new stars to rebuild their image.
Go to ESPN, CNN, MSNBC. Members of congress (at least the ones taking the MLB PAC money) are already positioning themselves. They’re all saying something like “Mitchell’s report took a long time, hopefully they’ve learned to police themselves.” Those are the magic words for MLB “Police Themselves”
The reason they chose Mitchell is becasue he’s an ex-Senator, not because it looks good to congress and the public, but the same reason ex-Politicians become lobbyists. ACCESS and INFLUENCE. Mitchell knows exactly what is needed to satisfy congress. Money (the MLB PAC) and good public image (a report that looks comprehensive and tough like the 9/11 Commission and the Iraq Study Group). Done and done. MLB gets to police themselves and the congress men and women get to say they cleaned up drugs in pro sports.
Mitchell says this brings closure to this? Ha that is laughable. Does he not know that ESPN will have 5 channels spinning themselves into the ground on this? Close this Pal!
“2:21: In looking at the report quickly, it seems that the bulk of the names are tied to Radomski for HGH.”
This is one of the major problems here.
There is no test for HGH.
So when people keep asking for proof in a test they are setting a standard which is impossible to meet.
If a test is the level of evidence you need then any player in baseball could use HGH and not worry about any negative repercussions.
The report is very problematic. But to say that without a positive test its meaningless is also problematic.
“December 13th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
I think we need an asterisk next to all those Yankee Championships…hahahahaha”
this is kindof funny knowing Gagne was named.
So the names given barely scratch the surface…. it would be bad for baseball and its fans to perform a witch hunt to go after everyone who’s ever uses PED’s… but we’re going to include these names we DO have, because…...????
What a joke.
Only two key sources, one in NY and one in Florida, what happened to the other states where there are MLB teams!!!
Where is your source in the great state of MASSECHUSSETT????
I’m FURIOUS, this is utter horse crap! I call for an investgation on Senator Mitchell!
““faithfully submitted by douglas c. niedermeyer, sergeant-at-arms” while I listen to Mitchell?
Well… I’m not gonna sit here and listen to you bad-mouth the United States of America… Gentlemen!”
lol. time to put the yankees (delta house) on double secret probation.
migames – on a roll today!
Thanks Mel!
Is this the professor? Not the And1 ball player, lol. Kiddin’. Ok, that was a bad joke, if it was one. Ok, i’m bored.
WHAT A JOKE !!!
You’re all angry because you know your team was ‘roided to the gills during the dynasty*.
Is Bonds on it?
This is one of the most uneventful press conferenece in the history of mankind
Houston scored big on this one…traded for Tejada and now have Roger starting his personal services contract…funny.
In all seriousness though, this really does come off like the big “dog and pony show” it was rumored to be.
So much for Tek’s Captain C standing for cheater
This professor reminds me why I decided to forego more degrees. A true sleep inducer.
“Face It,” first you are too cowardly to use a real name.
Second, you are wrong, based on what the report says.
Third, you appear to be a troll with no life.
Totally serious Mel. I regret that Pettitte felt compelled to take the drugs to speed his recovery, but I applaud the motive that led him to do so.
How can we, on this very blog, decry players who don’t perform as we expect them to and then condemn them for using substances that enhance their ability to do so.
The hypocrisy of it reeks.
Face it
The only “evidence” and I use the word evidence lightly shows that the the PED’s only came during the 2000 season. So how does that put an asterisk during the 96, 98, and 99.
Kevin Brown is in there, page 264
Gotta love Yankee fans.
First, this report was total BS because Mitchell “is a Red Sox”.
Then, the report is legit because current and former Red Sox were allegedly on it.
Now, it’s BS again.
Just remember, your best big game pitcher during the last 15 years of Yankee success is a CHEATER!
*26
WE STILL LOVE YOU, ANDY!!!
This clown starts a press conference and the stock market rises. President DubYa gets on and it goes through the floor…funny!
gagne is in it.
This whole thing is a farce. Seriously.
found a redsox
BRENDAN DONNLEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
“You’re all angry because you know your team was ‘roided to the gills during the dynasty*.”
Use your real name you loser.
This report is such a joke. It names maybe 3 Red Sox players, all of them being losers. What happened to Varitek? Papi? Manny? I guess Sen. Mitchell couldn’t cut his hand to spite his face. This whole report is just focusing directly on the Yankees.. Pathetic scumbag Mitchell is.
This report is a joke. The fact that Varitek and Pudge Rodriquez tells you that it’s flawed. It is not the whole story; just a very small piece, clearly written to tarnish the Yankees. I hope that people ignore this and go on with the business of winning baseball games.
nook logan
‘Cmon, Peter, ask them why they focused on NYC!! No one will accuse you of being biased, you’re from New England.
Seriously, does he put any blame on the Commissioner since this whole thing happened on his watch?
Yay! Stacey responded!!!!! Mission accomplished!!! My name is Albert and I live in New York City where salsa is made!!!!
First this report is a SHAM.
Secondly….if youre reading it….check out Kevin Brown’s section. Nice trade Yanks….UGH!!!!
Oh yeah, No Red Sux…..gee what a coincidence.
26*
They should have broadcasted this on Comedy Central.
The normally stonefaced Varitek will spend 2008 with a grin from ear to ear. He’ll walk away from the batter’s box after striking out just as though he just hit a grand salami.
If someone was to ask me, “What do you think of the Mitchell Report?”
My answer would be…I don’t.
“Yay! Stacey responded!!!!! Mission accomplished!!! My name is Albert and I live in New York City where salsa is made!!!!”
Um okay
Hey guys-I’m reading the report and listing all names of importance-you can read it here:
http://pinstripespa.blogspot.com/2007/12/read-mitchell-report.html
Well at least I was right when I said the Red Sox nose would be clean and their butts cleaner. Apparently Mitchell had his tongue where the sun dont shine. Namely Boston, Massachusetts.
This report seems to be missing a whole bunch of people.
Oh Andy.
the Ron Villone one makes me giggle a bit. You’d think he could throw harder.
Sorry. that was mean. I’m sure he’s a nice guy.
They shouldn’t have broadcasted this at all. This is a complete waste of time. Completely useless. I just wish a reported has the balls to ask the simple question:
“Why were you hired for this job, and why is the report focused just on the Yankees, and nothing on the Red Sox.. and please discuss the conflict of interest involving this investigation.”
Pleaseeeeeeee
well, we should get ready to see the 26* by all the trolls from here on out…sweet
Chad Allen
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Mike Bell
Marvin Benard
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Larry Bigbie
Barry Bonds
Kevin Brown
Paul Byrd
Jose Canseco
Mark Carreon
Jason Christiansen
Howie Clark
Roger Clemens
Jack Cust
Brendan Donnelly
Chris Donnels
Lenny Dykstra
Bobby Estalella
Matt Franco
Ryan Franklin
Eric Gagné
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Matt Herges
Phil Hiatt
Glenallen Hill
Darren Holmes
Todd Hundley
Mike Judd
David Justice
Matt Karchner
Chuck Knoblauch
Tim Laker
Mike Lansing
Paul Lo Duca
Exavier “Nook” Logan
Josias Manzanillo
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Bart Miadich
Hal Morris
Daniel Naulty
Denny Neagle
Jim Parque
Andy Pettitte
Adam Piatt
Todd Pratt
Stephen Randolph
Adam Riggs
Brian Roberts
John Rocker
F.P. Santangelo
Benito Santiago
Scott Schoeneweis
David Segui
Gary Sheffield
Mike Stanton
Ricky Stone
Miguel Tejada
Ismael Valdez
Mo Vaughn
Randy Velarde
Ron Villone
Fernando Viña
Rondell White
Jeff Williams
Matt Williams
Todd Williams
Steve Woodard
Kevin Young
Gregg Zaun
I think most Red Sox fans would love to have 26* World Championships.
I think the big surprise is Paul O’Neil isn’t on the list.
So you mean he got the angry after an out naturally? God bless Paulie. Imagine if he took roid’s. He’d have killed an ump.
As for Clemens, if it’s true, I’m not surprised. That whole bat throwing incident with Piazza in the WS always had me wondering.
It’s one thing to be charged up. It’s another to be that charged up where you’re chucking broken bats at players.
I’m a troll and I was hungry and you fed me. I would have gone away, but this is too much fun!!!! Roids, roids, roids, roids!! How do you spell NY dynasty? S-T-E-R-O-I-D-S!!!
Actually NYPD, HGH wasn’t illegal when Pettitte allegedly used them, so no cheating involved. Now go troll somewhere else, please?
Gee, you guys and gals are quick to find there are few red sox players, have you done any research into let’s see… the Royals, Devil Rays?
Clemens is the fraud we told you he was.
*26
the following are redsox or past redsox mentioned in the report
Chris Donnels
Mike Lansing
Kent Mercker
Stanton
Gagne
Donnley
Steve Woodard
nook logan took roids. that struck me as the funniest one of all.
But hey, what do I know, right?
I’m a cheater too. Every time I have a date with a woman under 25, I use performance-enhancing drugs.
Tomorrow, I plan to confess to Congress. Bob Dole even invited me to appear with him in that commercial in which he promotes the drug.
I wonder if Liddy Dole thinks of him as a cheater.
This is pretty much the list:
Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estalella
Both Giambis
Benito Santiago
Sheffield
Velarde
Dykstra
Segui
Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Clemens
Pettitte
Knoblauch
Grimsley
Greg Zaun
David Justice
FP Santangello
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnells
Todd Williams
Nook Logan
Howie Clark
Jeff Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Tejada
Jason Christianson
Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
LoDuca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
For whatever it means,
the word “Yankees” shows up 43 times in the report,
“Red Sox”, 37 times,
“Mets”, 64 times,
“Dodgers”, 54 times,
“Tigers”, 10 times,
“Athletics”, 23 times,
“steroids”, 706 times
“human growth hormone”, 317 times, plus 26 more for “HGH”
“Radomski”, 577
“BALCO”, 74
“Bonds”, 103
“McGwire”, 46
“Canseco”, 105
“Giambi”, 63
“Jeter”, 0, Hehe, had to throw this one in there!
Thanks Becca-much better than my list
pathetic. this effing report is a bunch of bs. selig gets no blame, they come up with no real names, esp. red sox. what a joke.
Frank Thomas is not in the report? Did he come forward and was granted immunity? I think he did them. The man looks like the folk hero John Henry.
the report does state that theo and company knew that players were juicers (gagne and donley) and they still signed them.
“Just remember, your best big game pitcher during the last 15 years of Yankee success is a CHEATER!”
Are you referring to Rivera or Orlando Hernandez?
I don’t see either on the list.
Ahhh the beauty that comes from creating the illusion of due dilligence.
Oh, and Troy Glaus
That is NY Dynasty’s, more than one, plural. At least get it right.
“Gee, you guys and gals are quick to find there are few red sox players, have you done any research into let’s see… the Royals, Devil Rays?
Clemens is the fraud we told you he was.
*26”
Actually, shouldn’t it be 26*? the way you put it doesn’t make any sense. just trying to help you out there “red sox fan.” i also wasn’t aware that red sox fans told us clemens was a fraud. when did that happen?
Howie Clark is on the list, well I guess that performance enhancers are unable to help players catch pop-ups either. Ha!
But in all seriousness, this doesn’t change my views of the Yankees or Andy Pettitte. I’m still a Yankee fan until the day that I die and I admire Andy Pettitte for giving his all when he is on the mound, nothing changes.
Face it
Well at least you admit it. The first step to fixing a sickness is admitting it.
no David Ortiz!!!???
Guys, is it possible, maybe, that Ortiz/Varitek/Ramirez are clean?
Jeez, I’m sounding like a Boston fan. But really, isn’t it possible that the reason no prominent Sox player is named is that they’re…um, clean?
any report on steroids that does not include the likes of Sosa and Pudge Rodriquez is a complete joke… Also no Red Sox on the list makes it a complete sham
Man, this is boring. Bad sources, few surprises. At least I can laugh at Lo Duca next year here in DC.
I’m Clean
26*
Why the hell did they hype this thing up so much? There are no bombshells in this report.
Pete,
Think the Mitchell report looks pretty solid in it’s allegations against a LOTTA Yankee players. And MLB knows that.
Sure the rat may be contemplating less jail time. As I’m sure many would. The fact that he is a lowly “clubbie” doesn’t mean much in the face of the cancelled checks and other records presented in the report.
Finally, I doubt that MLB legal would risk hundreds of millions in libel/slander lawsuits by publishing information that they didn’t think they could support in a courtroom. MLB must recognize that someone like Eric Gagne probably won’t sue because that would mean more public scrutiny. But I’m sure they recognize anybody who was truly innocent would litigate in a hurry.
This report is such a sham.. wow. Nice dog-n-pony show.. obviously, they are making these guys fall guys, this is how our government works now too
I am completely disgusted!
“The public knows.. someone has to fall.. let’s put abunch of nobody’s on the list.. and will salt it with a few somebody’s.”
Nice job MLB .. how long did it take you to put this together… your a disgrace.
Why is Pettitte’s name included based completely on hearsay but guys like Bonds (who could have been included under those same flimsy guidelines) are not?
Stephen… Umm…maybe it’s because you are… um, a Red Sox fan?
Come on, put two and two together..
Red Sox Employee——the report he made is mainly focusing on the… YANKEES?!
The funny thing is that Sawx management put together a video tape to get Clemens back to beantown and almost every Sawx fan was on board.
Mitchell has paid for his last hot dog at the Green Sardine Can. Filet Mignon with imported Cognac in Peter Gammons’ suite from here on out.
They finally asked the question of his biased opinions.
Boy, I thought the $$ spent on Farnsworth was a waste.
Read the report, alot of it is hearsay. IE Roberts is implicated because Bigbie says Roberts admitted it to him. They have nothing else.
This is a load. This guy is just looking for publicity or something. He keeps going on and on about the same thing. He must have said the same thing 76 different ways by now. This was such a waste of time.
Mitchell is such a loser; all he’s doing is side-stepping the real question.. Explain why your report is focusing on New York, and nothing about Boston.
“Guys, is it possible, maybe, that Ortiz/Varitek/Ramirez are clean?”
Varitek is as clean as Richard Simmons is straight. Please.
Did anyone reach the bit about David Justice. He apparently talked to the investigators and named many he “suspected” were taking PEDs.
FINALLY A REPORTER ASKED ABOUT HIS TIE TO THE SOX…HE’S DODGING THE QUESTION AND NOT ADDRESSING HIS ROLE…HE’S TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE WENT TO IRELAND
“IN THIS REPORT, YOU WILL NOT FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF BIASE OR SPECIAL TREATMENT TO THE RED SOX OR TO ANYONE ELSE….” AND THEN HE CONCLUDED THE PRESS CONFERENCE!!!!
THIS HAS BS WRITTEN ALL OVER IT!!!
Hey, all these New Englanders giving us a hard time should look at there football team. I guess Rodney Harrison’s HGH use is a non issue.
What a complete joke this report is. Two sources??? Make the comment that the important thing is to not focus on the names, but the message….why include the names then??? Just complete bunk!!!! And, on top of that, cost 25 million dollars. Great work MLB, great work!!!
We didn’t want to know anything more than you knew or anything less than you knew, only the truth???
Did you see Mitchell practically run from the podium after saying the New York players played with other teams, including the Red Sox.
What I want to know is whether any of the guys listed in this report are “now or have ever been member of the communist party.”
If I find out even one Yankee is a Communist, how can I ever take my son to Yankee Stadium. If he sees Communists playing on the field, he’ll want to run out and join the Communist Party too. And it won’t be my fault. No, it’ll be all these Commie Baseball Players.
I mean I’ve always taught my son not to look at his father or his mother as a role model, or our pastor, or his teacher, or his President.
“No, son,” I say, “Look to human beings born with innate athletic ability.”
That’s why we have to rid baseball of all these commie SOBs.
No Red Sox named and Byrd’s name is leaked during the ALCS. It is nice to have your own boy doing the investigation.
So Brian Roberts makes the report because Larry Bigbie said he heard Roberts talk about steroids? I hope MLB & Mitchell get their butts sued into the poor house.
HAHAHA…..........look at all the whining and excuse-making going on.
Kevin Brown was in there too.
So that means that 3/5’s of the Yankee starting rotation was cheating in 2003.
Bet all future transactions with clubhouse guys will be cash only.
I like how around half the “high profile” names are either currently yankees or former yankees.
Mitchell’s a fag.
OUTSTANDING post Kill-Schill(ing). Just outstanding!!
Yawn. Nothing new. Next subject, please.
where are all of the red sox players???
i know mitchell said he questioned trainers who worked mostly with players in new york, well then, why didnt he ask some boston trainers?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
How much was spent on this report again.
“And now Senator Mitchell would like to invite Mr. Mackey of South Park Elementary school to give a report on his findings. Mr. Mackey, please.”
Mr. Mackey: “Uh….drugs are bad….mmmmkay? Steroids…are bad….mmmkay?”
The NY Yankees…......a once proud organization is now a shell of its former self. Shame.
*26
I don’t recall Kevin Brown on the 2003 team. Are you 10 or dumb?
BEFORE I GO I’D LIKE TO LEAVE US W/ ONE HAPPY THOUGHT
one good thing
later peoples
and Ortiz got off lucky today !!!
Pride, Power, Pathetic
Whats the point if there is gonna be no circumstances?
A question for the lawyers here….would the Steinbrenner’s have any grounds on which to sue Mitchell and the commission for using only New York sources and then releasing the names, naturally slanting the report to make the Yanks look worse? Any grounds at all??
Oh I can’t go out on the street with all this shame!!!!
Why are they still burying Clemens?
MLB continues to make an fool of itself.
“NYPD113th
December 13th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
Pride, Power, Pathetic”
Shut the F up already. We get it. You hate the Yankees. Now go play in some traffic.
NYPD,
Can you explain your handle to me?
NYPD113th
Do you have a life?
Some links for those interested in HGH research:
via Sabernomics:
http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/04/i-dont-worry-about-hgh-in-baseball-and-neither-should-you
Via slate.com
http://www.slate.com/id/2162473/nav/tap1/
I advise you put aside your acrimony and read up. Enjoy.
Please do this correctly. The asterick * goes after the 26
Yeah, NYPD Kevin Brown was in LA in 03. Nice work.
“Can you explain your handle to me?”
Sure, I was a cop in the 113 PCT
One of these days, Selig is going to be successful in his attempts to drive all the fans away from the games. He’s tried everything possible to make the game look bad….not address the steroid issue till it’s too late, allow a tie in the all-star game in his home stadium, the whole black-out debacle for extra innings, now this sham of a report being released. Does Selig have noone running PR for baseball?? Idiot!!
This was a witch hunt from the start, and the fact that someone under the employ of the Redsox headed up a report that is clearly anti Yankees, destroys any sense of credibilty.
To even list Petitte, who even if he did have four shots to speed up a recovery while on the DL is sham and is slanderous. The use of these PEDs to speed up one’s recovery is in no way cheating, it is called medicine. Getting 4 shots would not improve one’s performance on the field only get you there quicker.
I am amazed that Mitchell did not even try not to look biased. This would be like Rush Limbauh heading up an investigation of Hilary Clinton…
this report is more reflective of laziness than bias. he relied entirely on information mcnamee and radomski, both with ties to the new york clubs. it shouldn’t be surprising that many new york players are named. i think it’s crap that he didn’t try to find another source.
there are entire divisions of baseball teams that aren’t touched in here.
Well, from what I can tell, Roger used steroids four times while he was in Toronto (aka not NY) and Andy used it up to four times to heal his elbow. From the sounds of it they were done after those isolated instances. Not that I’m condoning it, but they don’t appear to be perpetual users such as say, bonds?
“This was a witch hunt from the start, and the fact that someone under the employ of the Redsox headed up a report that is clearly anti Yankees, destroys any sense of credibilty.”
So the other dozens of names of players on other teams was just collateral damage?
Did Steve Phillips just say he can’t ask for the world series ring because in all likelihood some of his guys were doing it, too? Geez.
Jeters Cheaters—Spell ‘’asterisk’’ correctly, please.
Are there more Yankees or Red Sox in this?
The two main sources were a former trainer for the Yankees and a Mets towel boy. If a similarly situated trainer in another clubhouse talked to Mitchell, who knows what would have come out about those clubs…
“Sure, I was a cop in the 113 PCT”
Have you always been a loser, or did that just happen since you retired?
NYPD,
So why do you hate the Yankees so much?
NYPD
What a nitwit. Vaporizes when the leaked list mentioned Varitek, now he’s back. Punk.
Maybe this is not such a big deal. I mean, sure, drugs and steroids ideally have no place in the game. But these guys were all looking for that extra edge.
Just like many of our favorite rock bands and musicians used LSD and other drugs in the 60’s, 70’s, etc. Many of those bands and musicians are in the Rock n’ Roll Hall of Fame.
It’s a new era for baseball. Sure, they know there is a problem and now they can really take steps to regulate and enforce laws against usage.
But, I am sorry, McGwire’s got to go into the Hall, same for Bonds and anyone else.
Using the rock analogy, could you imagine if they only let in people who were totally clean?
And if you’re gonna use the whole “well McGwire lied under oath” argument, save it. Truth means nothing these days, especially considering the illegal government we are living under and the trumped up war our nation is embroiled in.
“Are there more Yankees or Red Sox in this?”
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha.
bphill – There are at least 14 present or former Yankees named by my count… I didn’t count the Saux, but I would assume there are far fewer. Maybe Hank and Hal should write the follow up report?
The problem, Red Sox trolls, is no matter how many asterisks you’d like to place after 26, they all will STILL COUNT and that means you’re still GOT 19 TO GO!
26 > 19 (World Series)
39 > 12 (AL Pennants)
15 > 7 (AL East titles)
Here’s your FAVORTIE HIT LIST Red Sox fans!
2000 • 1999 • 1998 • 1996
1978 • 1977 • 1962 • 1961
1958 • 1956 • 1953 • 1952
1951 • 1950 • 1949 • 1947
1943 • 1941 • 1939 • 1938
1937 • 1936 • 1932 • 1928
1927 • 1923
Steve Phillips is smoking that good stuff. Ummm…..puff puff pass, homie!
Giambi is the only active player who used steroids and has the BALLS to admit it.
He hates the Yankees because his team has spanked by them over his entire sorry life.
E-ROC,
Because he thinks that ass-da-risk is a disease.
7*
Of course Gammons thinks this report is a “good thing” He’s practically on the Red Sox payroll like Mitchell…”a tremendous job in the way he (Mitchell) presented it”....yeah right, he bored the heck out of us.
The question is will this report make any difference in “cleaning up the game”. From what I’ve heard this is all just a bunch of hearsay and now all the media outlets will begin to spin this to their liking.
Mel what did you’re last post mean?
Sounds like I’d get more from the SI Flashback of Verducci’s article on Caminiti than from the Mitchell report
“Yeah, NYPD Kevin Brown was in LA in 03. Nice work.”
Correct, I misspoke. Pettitte was on the team though, right? Roger?
*26
Man, I hate everyone. Especially anyone associated with the Red Sox in any way. Can’t help it.
The problem, Red Sox trolls, is no matter how many asterisks you’d like to place after 26, they all will STILL COUNT and that means you’re still GOT 19 TO GO!
26 > 19 (World Series)
39 > 12 (AL Pennants)
15 > 7 (AL East titles)
“Here’s your FAVORTIE HIT LIST Red Sox fans!
2000 • 1999 • 1998 • 1996
1978 • 1977 • 1962 • 1961
1958 • 1956 • 1953 • 1952
1951 • 1950 • 1949 • 1947
1943 • 1941 • 1939 • 1938
1937 • 1936 • 1932 • 1928
1927 • 1923”
—Can you give me the list for this century?
“December 13th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
“Yeah, NYPD Kevin Brown was in LA in 03. Nice work.”
Correct, I misspoke. Pettitte was on the team though, right? Roger?
*26”
Did the Yankees beat the Marlins in 2003? Am I not remembering things correctly?
I can’t think of any actionable tort, rodg12. (Thanks for the kudos by the way.)
But if Mitchell and/or investigators assumed the legal prerogatives of lawyers—and I don’t know that they have—the Yankees could complain to state ethic commissions that Mitchell violate ethical canons advising lawyers to withdraw from cases in which they have a conflict of interest.
I don’t think Mitchell was operating under any state or Congressional mandate.
The answer to your question, in a rather prolix fashion, is a no. The Yankees have little recourse, other than to argue these points in the court of public opinion. And knowing how much the Steinbrenners love Clemens and Pettitte, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear them pursue precisely such a tact. In the end however the disparity in the names listed really stems from the sources, not the investigators bias.
If you were a former cop, you aren’t doing your former profession any favors posting such nonsense.
Now, go have another donut and go away.
Peter-
I don’t think MLBPA will savage this report and I’ll tell you why:
This is their way out too. If MLBPA disputes the validity of this report, they’re inviting more attention, more reports, a real witch hunt. MLBPA wants this to go away as much as MLB does; THEY BOTH want to show that drug abuse was in the past, and that the new testing is woking. It’s a Win Win for both. This will be an easy hit for them to take. I bet they defend current players and let Clemens and the other retired players take the hits. This will be over by monday.
NYPD113th,
The funny thing is.. even if you take away the five championships of the 90s, we still have what.. like 4x more than the Red Sox have?
Seriously man, do yourself a favor. Don’t try to compare championships with the Yankee organization. You fellas have a loooooooong way to go. A looooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way.
“He hates the Yankees because his team has spanked by them over his entire sorry life.”
God I love this! Today is a great day in sports.
i knew this list wouldnt tell us much if anything. Wow pettitte took them once and clemens did repeatedly. It isnt all that shocking as they were already implicated yrs ago. And who cared about knobby. Turthfully, i wouldnt care no matter what the report said but im glad its a bunch of garbage. Another example of a great use of a government officials time and the taxpayers money. This is a perfect example why the government should stay out of baseball
Vader,
My 3:07 post was a joke.
113 PCT = Queens = Mets
Lots of tasty troll food in the cafeteria here today!!! I am PIGGING out at this buffet of ‘roided Yankeeness!!! OF ALL THE DRAMATIC!!! OH, GEEZ!! RAWJAH IS IN A STALL!!! THERE’S A NEEDLE HANGING OUT OF HIS BEAUTIFUL BUTTOCKS!!! JOE TORRE IS MY FRIEND!!!! OF ALL THE DRAMATIC YANKEENESS!!!
NYPD113th
i never realized you weren’t a yankee fan. now there’s 2 reason’s you’re a waste of life.
LOL, “can u give me the list for this century?”
If not sooner.
NYPD113th,
By the way, this is a Yankee blog. Don’t you Sox trolls have somewhere better to be?
I really want to say much much worse things to you, but unfortunately, I respect the NYPD, so I’ll hold back. Oh if only you were a Boston cop.
“Now, go have another donut and go away.”
Ooooooooooooo….a donut joke, quite original. Sad how when people get frustrated they revert to personal attacks.
Don’t get mad at me, I didn’t put the needle into Roger and Andy’s ass.
Thanks Mel
NYPD – are there many Boston fans in the 113? You should try to spend some time in the 46, they’d love you there.
rodg12: I can’t see a cause of action there, but I’m a prosecutor at heart.
Isn’t Arod telling the media that he pretty much told Boras to take a hike a bigger story than the Mitchell Report?
Ya know that this MacNamee guy was a city cop for 3 years?
Hey 113th Precinct, ever knock a suspect upside the head? Ever take a freebie meal while on the job? Ever take a drink on the job? What about a few “benes” to stay awake? Ever forget to read someone his Miranda rights and have your partner cover for you? Ever embellish probable cause or the veracity of an informant to obtain a search warrant? Ever forget the search warrant and testify the evidence was in plain view? Ever coerce a confession?
Please. Spare us the sanctimony. Will ya!
When the Pope nominates you for sainthood, then come back and give all us Yankee fans a morality lesson.
Howdy folks,
per my earlier promise, i attempted to post some links on the dubious performance enhancing abilities of HGH. They are currently being held up in the spam filter as my comment is ‘awaiting moderation.” Hopefully, they will make it through the spam filter, but if not I will try and repost them later.
For those interested, you can go to sabernomics.com and slate.com and search for ‘HGH’ and you should be able to find the articles I have previously found.
Enjoy.
Sounds like the classiness of the Yankees organization carries over to the clubhouse attendants!!! Classy all the way!!!
“NYPD – are there many Boston fans in the 113? You should try to spend some time in the 46, they’d love you there.”
Not at all ellen, actually, mostly Knicks fans.;)
The truth is hard for a cop, I mean don’t they plant evidence all the time.
Cops are paid to lie and instigate and its proven once again
I love statements like this, as if last century never counted. It is one of the most idiotic statement a person can make.
I forget I’m talking about a Sox fan…..
Mitchell made a dog and pony show at MSG look like it was the Kentucky Derby.
Exactly what did he prove other than being a clone of Peter Gammons ?
“Hey 113th Precinct, ever knock a suspect upside the head? Ever take a freebie meal while on the job? Ever take a drink on the job? What about a few “benes” to stay awake? Ever forget to read someone his Miranda rights and have your partner cover for you? Ever embellish probable cause or the veracity of an informant to obtain a search warrant? Ever forget the search warrant and testify the evidence was in plain view? Ever coerce a confession?
Please. Spare us the sanctimony. Will ya!”
And if I got caught doing any of these, there’d be consequences. Ridicule from the public is a consequence that Andy, Roger, and everyone else on the list will pay.
Easy, Vader. I’m no fan of what NYPD113 is saying, but let’s not get out of hand.
– Can you give me the list for this century?
here you go:
04*
07*
this is a toothless report with little substantial evidence. Bud and MLB should be embarrassed by this but they’ve got to sell it.
I Love That Dirty Water!!! And Hate those Dirty cheating Yankees!
26*
Actually no, its not original 113th. Nor was it meant to be.
Your pathetic ramblings aren’t too original either.
Spoken like a true ex-cop. A bitter guy, with no understanding of the law, prone to believe anything that comes out of the mouth of a rat.
I’m more interested in hearing what the players have to say than reading from a loser ex-cop has to say in a blog.
If you had any real understanding of the law you would realize its a pretty incomplete report.
A big reason why Mitchell doesn’t want any further punishments to the players.
Probably because he knows these witnesses probably wouldn’t hold up well under cross-examination.
“The MLBPA will savage this report. Savage it.”
I wonder, Pete, if you’d be writing this if David Ortiz were named…
So, anybody want to throw some odds out there of Selig successfully sweeping the ‘steroid era’ under the rug and let business go on as usual?
Anybody that’s as pathetic as NYPD113th that he has to troll a sports board, must lead the most dispicable and miserable life in existance. Makes you wonder just how much graft and corruption he was involved in.
It was a joke, lighten up. I mean isn’t that what people do around here. Do you really think NYPD113th believes what he says and or he really is?
The MLBPA should savage this report, Peter. It is a total joke based on uncorroborated evidence by a hopelessly biased and conflicted “investigator”. Guess the fact that Ortiz went from 11 hrs in his last season in the “Homerdom e” to being the fenway monster was of no interest to the bosux director. And it leaves the impression that these were the only guys. Pathetic. And no drugs in the last 2 years? Is he going to sell us a bridge to Brooklyn? This is just to deliver the Selig (aka Ratso) message that everything is fine now. Listening Congress?
“The truth is hard for a cop, I mean don’t they plant evidence all the time.”
“Cops are paid to lie and instigate and its proven once again”
—- At least you folks aren’t getting upset by all this. This really is humorous. Are you two havin a little ‘roid rage or something??
For all of you a$$ holes who want 26*, Where does the report implicate any Yankee pre-2000? which is the last year the Yankees won the series… if anything I’ll give you the 2000 series and your asterisk would look like this…
25 plus 1*
Oh and ah NYPD, yes this was a witch hunt from the start with nothing more than hearsay for evidence and slanted against the Yankees…Yes the other names were collateral damage as they were all insignificant.
Canseco denied! Didn’t have the proper credentials so they wouldn