Selig gets his turn next
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 13, 2007 
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I considered live blogging the Bud Selig press conference. But reporting on the commish prattling on about how steroids are bad could lead to you falling asleep with while driving home in the snow.
I can’t be responsible for that.
Selig’s press conference is at 4:30. The MLBPA has theirs at 6 p.m. Now that will be a show.
Maybe Bud Selig will just come out and finally let everyone know where his heart is: Boston.
Pete some of us can’t leave work early. And people shouldn’t be blogging while driving. Maybe you should say you don’t want people falling asleep at work.
I made my own report…it’s just as valid as George “Super Sox Fan” Mitchell’s “investigation”….what a joke.
Someone send Mad dog a box of diapers, he is wetting his pants since there are so many Yankees named.
I just suggested in another thread that we who participate on Pete Abraham’s blog should list ballplayers we think are taking steroids and hold a news conference to release our list. We’ll prattle about how this is serious and we’ll challenge MLB to do something about it in a forward-looking manner.
Pete
Will you have a HOF vote in 5 years? Would you vote Clemens in?
Mad Dog is the only one being rational right now.
I think I’ll repost this everyone a Sox troll comes on board. Seems The Red Sox were quite interested in someone who they thought was a Roids.
Source – Rob Neyer:
Upon my first skim-through of the Mitchell report, my favorite passage is the one about Eric Gagne. Shortly after the 2006 season, Red Sox GM Theo Epstein e-mailed scout Mark Delpiano, “Have you done any digging on Gagne? I know the Dodgers” — not to mention everybody else in the world — “think he was a steroid guy. Maybe so. What do you hear on his medical?”
Delpiano’s response:
Some digging on Gagne and steroids IS the issue. Has had a checkered medical past throughout career including minor leagues. Lacks the poise and commitment to stay healthy, maintain body and re invent self. What made him a tenacious closer was the max effort plus stuff … Mentality without the plus weapons and without steroid help probably creates a large risk in bounce back durability and ability to throw average while allowing the change-up to play as it once did … Personally, durability (or lack of) will follow Gagne …
Nine months later, the Red Sox traded three young players –two of them pretty good prospects — for Gagne. And four months after, the Brewers gave Gagne $10 million. Gives you a little bit more respect for scouts, huh?
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz — I feel bad for you having to cover all this.
It really is amazing how bitter you Yankees fan’s are. To question George Mitchell’s integrity is absurd. He brokered a peace deal in the Middle East, and Ireland, was nominated to the supreme court and has an ownership tie to the Red Sox. If he named everyone on the team doing roids he would not lose money. You can piss and moan all you want about his ties to the Sox, but the fact of the matter is there are a lot of Yankees on the list, because of the testimony of Radomski who was based in New York.
Right now there are a few past and present Red Sox players who expected to be on the list but were not. I am sure there are more Yankees who belong on the list. If the inquest had the full support of everyone involved the list would be huge. Moan about there not being any Red Sox on the list, no Manny no Ortiz, but the same can be said for A-Rod, Mo and Jeter. Their names were being tossed around all night and all morning but they were not on the list.
Bottom line STFU about the report not being legit. It is or else he wouldn’t have put it in. Blast away I will never get through your tick skulls anyways.
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I would rather be Pete covering this than me taking finals in a @#$@#$ blizzard.
The Pettitte allegations, in my mind, confirm a thought I had about him and retirement. I believed that part of the reason he was contemplating retirement was out of fear about what might come out about him. I think he came to grips with it and realized there was nothing he could do to change it. He couldn’t run from it if it came up, so he might as well keep playing…thus his recent comments about playing till 45.
He’s reached acceptance, no reason to quit playing now then.
Shawn,
Should the fact that Mitchell has ties to the Red Sox, along with the fact that no Red Sox of significance were in the report, while the majority of the names were Yankees, Mets, or Orioles at some point? It seems to ignore something that smells so strange is irresponsible journalism. Would you agree?
You know, this response look VERY much like the Pete Rose apologists response to the Dowd Report -
1) oh how can you trust a bunch of losers/felons testimony?
2) oh there is not enough evidence.
3) oh Bart Giamatti is a Red Sox fan and is out to get Rose because of the 75 World Series.
Spare me people… we have heard it all before, and guess what? Ultimately, the Dowd Report was all true and today’s report will prove to be the same.
So Mitchells report was no comprehensive if he only had two sources both based out of NY. It is total bs. I’d use it to line my birds cage with it.
Sickening, this whole entire show is sickening. Selig should be impeached!
When Giambi opened his mouth last year, he said the truth..
Baseball should take the same approach, BE HONEST FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. They won’t they’ll try and do “damage control” something they have done for years now.. which maybe we don’t get the nitty gritty that way.. but instead we lose our faith in believing any word of it. They are a bunch of scoundrels.. especially Selig, don’t get me started on selling “Extra Innings” to DirectTV’ers only either…
SICK SICK SICK!
Have we stopped this low, really? Yes! Has baseball executives stopped even lower, YES!
“stooped”
Bud Selig is like a trip to the Dentists office.
He’s as boring as the music and as painful as the drilling.
Pettite is likely to get 15 games.
the mitchell reports talks about how the Red Soxs front office knew of players that were juicers and either traded for them and/or signed them. Everyone knew. Everyone knew about it.
Haven’t followed this too closely but has Mitchell named any GM’s that knew? Or Managers? Or is this just a hearsay attack on some players? Mark my words, I bet the first lawsuits will be filed within 24 hours from now.
I happen to think it is not a conspiracy, just irresponsibility by Mitchell in releasing a report based SOLELY on 2 sources from New York.
Clay Bellinger – source?
So Shawn,
do you think that when Paxton Crawford dropped syringes all over the Boston clubhouse floor and the players just laughed, that none of them had ever been stuck with a juice stick themselves? Or that Manny Alexander was the only guy on the Sox to have needles in his glove compartment?
Just like all drug use, some guys are more discreet about it than others.
We all should realize that the players named in the report are just the tip of the iceberg and that there is very likely a huge list of players across MLB over the past 10 years that have used HGH/steroids at some time.
I love the NYTimes, on the website front page there are pix of 5 players with Gagne front and center in his Red Sox cap (roger, miguel, gagne, da luca, andy). HA!
I know it’s a NY media but the Mitchell report itself is biased in epic proportion so there!
Why should Andy get any sort of suspension? HGH wasn’t even banned from MLB until 2005, and according to this stellar report from the Boston Red Sox…I mean, the very respectable Senator Mitchell.. Andy took HGH 2-4 times in 2002 when he wasn’t even competing. He was rehabbing.
Pettitte will not be suspended. There is no proof. It is his word vs. McNamee’s.
Yanks, Mets, Blue Jays, Orioles and Phillies all got hung out. Apparently, the Red Sox were the only clean team on the East Coast. LOL! Trot and Troy where have to gone? Nomar, where are you? Papi how’d you get so big? Manny what did Albert Belle teach you? Varitek, where did the rest of you go?
Gitmo:
The point is that the only real East Coast cooperation came from Radomski and Brian McNamee. If Radomski was based in Boston, you would bet there would be more Red Sox named, but the names that those two gave were mostly tied to players from The Met’s and Yankees because that was the scene they were in at the time.
can i go to the HGH summit? will there be punch and pie?
What really bugs me is that the guy spent a huge amount of money and time to get a handful of real information, most of which was from obvious sources. Radowski gave up one sub-dealer, and the vast majority of the accusations came from them. Why wasn’t he exploring similar guys from other franchises? Why wasn’t he exploring more of the “distribution network”? If that wasn’t the point…why’d he do it at all?
No player will or should get suspended based on heresay evidence by some jackass looking to lessen his jail time.
Dee,
The New York Times is part of the Red Sox ownership group.
booooooooooooooooring
BA
Read my post again, I do think more Sox COULD HAVE BEEN NAMED, but weren’t do to lack of testimony and or evidence. Jesus can’t you people read or are you just waiting to jump down a guys throat?
Why does Bud Selig keep bending down? Is Sen. Mitchell’s ass down there, and he’s licking it? I don’t know, but they both seem to be Red Sox loyalists.
Source is my opinion based on the fact that Selig stated that persons named in the report will be judged on a case by case basis.
Agree with Shawn… In my opinion, all the report really says is that steroid use was rampant in the early part of the decade (shocker). The players named are ONLY those who were mentioned by the very few sources that they could actually get testimony from. The fact that there are more members of certain teams mentioned than others speaks only to the fact that their “sources” were more closely associated with those teams, not that those teams had more players using.
budd go take a nap, you’re not fooling anyone
Love the question from the guy from the American Lawyer.
Do you as commissioner feel you are responsible for this in the game?
Bad attempt at tap dancing by Mr. Selig.
I wish I could count how many times Bud says “move forward”
Then your “source” is wrong. There are no grounds to suspend Pettitte. No paper trail and no proof he took HGH, except for the unsubstaniated testimony of one person. In fact, the person saying he injected Pettitte doesn’t even know how many times he injected him.
There is NOTHING in the report that states Pettitte ever took steroids.
Ask yourself. If you inject a professional athlete, you mean to tell me you will forget how many times you did it?
He isn’t suspending Pettitte off that nonsense.
Why is pettitte likely to get anything? he allegidly did something that wasn’t illegal or banned when he did it?
I don’t think many of us are saying what is included in this report is way off base. It’s likely that much of it is true. What is distasteful about it is how limited the scope seems to be. Mitchell says that the important part isn’t the names, and that those people listed shouldn’t be punished, and that the inquiry into past usage should stop here. If thats the route he wanted to go, then why include any names in the first place? All i can think of is how it reminds me of a little kid throwing mud at another kid, then running to the parents yelling about how the kid who had the mud thrown on them is gunna hit them.
If you want to get to the bottom of it, then find some more sources. if you just want to make a statement, then leave all names out of it. who is he to chose who’s careers and reputations to tarnish? oh, thats right, i forgot, he brokered peace in northern ireland. that gives him the authority to chose who to screw over and who to leave clean.
it’s amazing, you would have thought you’d need at least a G.E.D. level of education to run the MLB, but seligs decisions in this matter prove that isn’t the case.
“Pettitte will not be suspended. There is no proof. It is his word vs. McNamee’s.”
–Have you heard Pettitte deny anything yet?
I might forget who I was injecting how many times too if I was doing it hundreds of times over the course of a year, and petitte getting suspended is a real possibility, that is my opinion, he will come out and deny it, but the fact remains that all signs point to “yes”
so Selig is gonna punish people on a case by case basis? What about people this lovely report missed out on?
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
What a day . . .
Bud is pointing the finger… Kind of like Palmeiro… I wonder if he’s lying too… hmmmmmmmm
Scumbag
This Selig press conference is useless. I’m waiting for the MLBPA one.
Phil, I knew about the NYT but I still love that Gagne is front and center. At this point I’m taking whatever I can get for consolation…I’m furious about the incomprehesiveness and subjectiveness of the report and in denial about Andy.
I can’t say that I find it strange that he doesn’t know the number of times he injected someone. I’m sure it wasn’t only hgh he was injecting, it could have been vitamin shots etc.
I do agree that there is no way that Andy can be suspended based on testimony of one person.
Just spit out the cost Selig
It is in “the best interest of the sport” to “move forward” on a “case by case basis”. Repeat over and over again for about 30 minutes…and nobody dare ask about Mitchell’s ties to the Red Sox and the lack of any current Red Sox in his report.
The whole thing is a sham. I could care less who is in this report. They didn’t even mention Juan Gon, Palmero, Big Mac, Pudge, or Sosa, these guys played at the hieght of the steriod era.
If anyone thinks that these are the only players to do PEDs you are fooling your self. Every team from the mid 80′s until the early 2000′s had players that did them, everyone was doing them.
And for the commish, any team official or high ranking MLB exec, to say they were unaware of any wrong doing they are turning a blind eye. Does anyone remeber when Ken Camonitti passed away, Kevin Towers all but admitted he knew.
To me this is MLB’s (Selig) dog and pony show for congress.
Once again, what does brokering peace in Ireland and the Middle East have to do with baseball?
The last question should have been “as a fan of the Red Sox” instead of “as a fan of baseball” because we all know this “report” was just to make the Yankees look bad.
Anyone with half of a brain will realize that someone who’s getting paid by the Red Sox isn’t going to name Papi, Manny, Beckett, or any of the big named players because what will happen?? Bye bye, Mr. Mitchell; no more job for you.
I think publicly mentioning the names was for PR – it wouldn’t get half as much attention if players weren’t named. If they’re not going to be implicated, then why do it? The want publicity to make it look like MLB is taking steroids use seriously; I just don’t see any other point to this report.
oh man I wish someone would ask him about Mitchell and the Sox
What “signs” point to him using? The testimony of ONE person, in exchange for immunity on a tax charge, is evidence of “signs” he did it?
Sorry, not buyin’ the “signs” because there aren’t any.
I prefer to wait and hear what Pettitte has to say.
Selig is pathetic.
Congress gets their shot at Selig, Fehr and Mitcell next week.
Just a little rhetorical question…
How is this a$$clown the commissioner of baseball?
Ugh.
Mel,
It has to do with integrity. Yankees fans are trying to dismiss the news by saying that Mitchell would have the audacity to be biased because of his connections to the Sox. The point is if you look at this mans track record you will see he is above pandering one way or another.
A report that implies a whole lot that can’t do anything to anyone player or owner in a league that did nothing to stop the practice 10 years ago because people started to get back into baseball again because of “juiced” Sosa vs “juiced” McGuire HR chase. Who cares? Better question – who’s going to care in two months?
How can Selig say that this is a conclusive report when its scope was so limited?
Jimmy,
He isn’t getting paid by the sox he has an ownership share as does the NY Times….are they biased too?
Why doesn’t Bud Selig stand at the edge of a cliff and “move forward”?
McNamee’s own testimony states that he wasn’t injecting people “hundreds of times” a year. His testimony only centered on two people. Clemens and Pettitte.
So, if you are going to believe his testimony, then why is it so tough to believe he can’t remember how many times he injected either player? Especially since, by his own testimony, it wasn’t that often.
He seems to know EXACTLY how many times he injected Clemens. Yet, he can’t remember how many times he injected Pettitte.
Doesn’t pass the smell test.
While I readily acknowledge that I am unhappy about all the Yankees coverage – I would hope the media will continue to report and remind people that the main source for this report was from the NY area and therefore it makes sense that the Yankees took a huge hit. Also, that Brian McNamee was in trouble with the government and therefore gave testimony under duress. I don’t like that just because there is more detailed information on Clemens and Pettitte that that means what they did was more or worse than others — some who haven’t yet even been named.
And yes, if all is true then I hurt for Andy and his family and also, I am sorry Roger is taking such a big hit now when his career is winding down.
These are my personal feelings about 2 players I have come to appreciate – this is not a statement of what is right or wrong.
This loser is representing baseball, and he can’t keep his mouth from moving around, up and down.. He looks extremely uncomfortable up there because he’s hoping no one will ask the question linking this biased investigation to the Red Sox.
I hope someone sues MLB for this crap… no proof, just someone trying to lessen a sentence.
Well, that’s that
Mel
Brokering peace might come in handy the next time Clemens runs into McNamee.
I’m all for waiting to see what he has to say but let’s be real, he was close with the trainer.
“McNamee recalled that he injected Pettitte with human
growth hormone that McNamee obtained from Radomski on two to four occasions. Pettitte paid
McNamee for the trip and his expenses; there was no separate payment for the human growth
hormone”
That’s from the report, I am not going to be naive.
It’s a shame that this report will become the definitive word on who was using PEDs and who was not, considering that the sources of information – both, apparently, from the NY area – were so limited. And it’s difficult to justify the cost of this investigation, beyond the obvious parallels to government investigations.
As for whether there is a basis for punishing anyone named in the report, I’d have to really read the whole thing in context – and I can’t imagine that many people will bother to do that.
It’s much easier to look at the list of people mentioned and assume that each is equally guilty and that the guilt is equally provable. In reality, I doubt that is the case. More likely, the nature and reliability of the evidence probably varies widely from person to person.
But that doesn’t sell papers like a blanket witch hunt, now does it?
Selig is a moron…he said himself he hasnt even read the report
Shawn,
One has nothing to do with the other. Plenty of crooked men have brokered peace before. Thomas Jefferson himself was no saint.
The fact remains, and I’m not questioning Mitchell’s character, that as a Director of an MLB team, there was a conflict of interest.
Before anyone flames me. I am not questioning his integrity. If a member of the Yankee front office was heading the investigation people, including Yankee fans, would question the integrity of the investigation.
Shawn,
He’s a director, he was not paid during the investigation, but he was paid prior to it, and will be paid after this. He doesn’t have any ownership in it. He was also given tickets to games, and also received autographs from players… What makes you think he’s going to rat on one of his own??
Believe me, they could’ve chosen ANYONE else, but Selig knew what he was doing.. He chose a member of the Red Sox; he knew what was going to happen.
The big question from this to me is:
does this report deter guys from using PED’s in the future or does the lack of names listed empower them to do keep doing it because they now know they can get away with it
NH Mike ….. you obviously weren’t around when General William Eckert was Commissioner (1965). Compared to him, Selig can give courses in Charisma.
WHEN ANDY DENIES ALL THIS WHO DO YOU BELIEVE?????
To further my take as a reasonable Yankee fan…
I do not believe there is a Red Sox conspiracy.
I do not believe Mitchell is malicious, underhanded, etc.
I DO believe that the report is irresponsible in its naming of players based on two sources, both of whom are suspect. The report was an exercise in futility, as it was supposed to be comprehensive, yet it is focused on only a handful of teams.
I would feel the same way if the source was a Red Sox clubhouse guy and Papi, Manny, Nomar, Pedro, and Schill were named.
How pissed are you if you are Brian Roberts and a former roommate tells Mitchell that he thinks he remembers you telling him that he injected steroids, but never saw you do it, even though you yourself and your other roommate inject steroids in the house?
The report is disgraceful.
ANDY PETTITTE …..ANDY PETTITTE…CANT WAIT FOR OPENING DAY …ITS ALL AN ESCAPE
GITMO
How pissed is mcwire not on the list
Gitmo, agree with everything except the disgrace part, I agree it is somewhat biased but disgraceful is a bit harsh.
Sorry for the sloppy grammar on that last paragraph.
Fair enough…maybe not disgraceful, but certainly irresponsible.
The poster boy couldnt even make the list
Shawn, please go troll somewhere else.
Mitchell does have a conflict of interest. A person has to be blind or viewing the world through RedSox colored glasses not to see that. He’s on the payroll of the Sox.
That said, he was only able to use the data he recieved from limited sources. Maybe he could have used his contacts with the staff at Fenway to delve deeper into the problem? Who knows? But this entire episode is typical of Selig’s tenure as commish. Lots of talk, little to show for it.
The results of the reports won’t have any effect on the players because there is nothing but limited evidence and they don’t have any positive test results(at least they haven’t reported any)to back it up. HGH wasn’t a banned substance in MLB until recently so why report on it unless you have nothing else to report?
I agree that Mitchell was a nice name to have on the masthead of the report but it would have made sense to use someone that doesn’t have any connection to any team. I’m sure Sox fans would be complaining if it was someone from the Yankees paid staff investigating the Sox and rightfully so.
SJ44 – Thank you for bringing reason to this board.
Shawn – just because Mitchell brokered peace in Northern Ireland doesn’t mean his report on steroids is therefor fair and balanced. I think it is easier to conclude that Mitchell, as a paid member of the Board of Directors and fan of the Red Sox, did not conduct a thorough investigation of Red Sox players. I’m not saying he did, I just want to point out the flaw in your reasoning. And yes, the NYT is biased, in many ways…
how credible is this list? where are the poster boys sosa and mcgwire?
I found this link interesting for those that say they dont have the time to read the port it gives excerpts about specific players incuding David Justice, Mike Stanton, Ron Villone (which i foind most interesting that he tried to contact Rodamski in 2006 after having spoken to him years before)
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/.....1071/rss08
Jimmy,
“What makes you think he’s going to rat on one of his own??”
What makes you think he isn’t? Validity to both sides I would say.
Shawn, are you serious?
There’s more of a reason NOT to rat on one of his own, then to actually rat on one of them…
Everyone knows he would’ve been fired if he ratted on Papi, or Manny, or Beckett.. I was surprised he didn’t just name the loser on the team, Coco Crisp, and let him take the fall for it.. atleast name someone to make it look a little fair. I guess Mitchell wasn’t concerned with making it fair, he was just concerned with trying to knock the Yankees some more.
This “report” the cost over $60 million was worthless..no credibility whatsoever.
Nobody is asking you to be naive.
But, think for a minute. Pettitte paid for the trainers time and expenses but NOT for HGH?
You mean he got free HGH? How many guys on the list were getting free HGH? Nobody.
This was an operation for profit Radomski was running. He wasn’t in the business of obtaining free HGH.
Somebody had to buy the HGH that was supposedly injected into Pettitte by McNamee.
Just think a little. The story seems awfully fishy to me. No athlete was getting free HGH in 2001-2002. They were paying BIG money for it. That’s what put these guys in business.
McNamee is offering completely different, and more detailed testimony, regardling Clemens.
Something doesn’t add up.
It’s good to be skeptical but McNamee only states he didn’t provide Petitte with HGH. That doesn’t mean he didn’t get it on his own. I’m not against Petitte, I love him, I’m just saying where there is smoke there is fire.
I know these have nothing to do with the report, but I have seen erroneous claims about George Mitchell repeated which are just not true. Obviously, George Mitchell did not negotiate peace between Israel and Palestine, though he tried. Obviously, George Mitchell did not negotiate peace in Northern Ireland, though he tried. (He himself admits his failure. [link]. He failed in both instances.
George Mitchell was good in his role as both Senate Majority and Senate Minority Leader, mostly respected on both sides of the aisle.
I’m not sure why Mitchell, an attorney, would convict players of steroid use based on hearsay, but that is exactly what the Mitchell/BoSox Report attempted to do. I think it probable that Selig wasnted something he could call definitive so that he could put this mess behind him and behind the game, so Mitchell threw the report together.
More reporters need to question Mitchell’s tie to the Sox and his objectivity. It’s the elephant in the room.
Jimmy,
That is so insane. You want him just to make up some names and throw them in just because? He was never going to be fired if he named any Sox player, he was assigned to the task and per the report told the Red Sox organization that they would be treated like everyone else. You would not have this argument if no Yankees were named, you need to find an out and light to flee to and you are following a dead end man. Grasping at straws big time here Jimmy, big time.
As for the $60mill?? Do you honestly think that that kind of money is big in baseball terms? Come on you’re joking right? That sum is so feeble in comparison to any kind of number baseball can produce. They make billion of revenue a year a mere 60mill is nothing.
Shawn,
The point is is that nobody needed to spend $60M to type up a 409-page document to tell us what we already knew.
My whole point is, where is the smoke? Anybody can accuse anybody of anything.
Instead of speaking in jingles, examine the evidence. There is NO evidence in the report Andy Pettitte purchased HGH. Not from McNamee, not from anybody.
There is also NOTHING in the report that says he ever took or purchased steroids.
The only mention of Pettitte in the report is the testimony of McNamee, stating he injected Pettitte “2 to 4 times” to help him recover from an injury.
Yet, unlike his Clemens testimony which is more detailed, there are no details in his testimony about Pettitte.
Just his assertion that he injected him. In fact, he doesn’t even know how many times he injected him. Lending further doubt to his testimony.
McNamee has more facts on Clemens. He offers no facts on Pettitte. Just wants the investigators to take his word for it.
Its kind of hard to do that since he offered up more evidence in other cases, yet nothing with Pettitte. Seems to me he was just giving the Mitchell/the Government what he wanted…..another big name in exchange for immunity.
Any lawyer would have a field day destroying his testimony re: Pettitte. He offers no proof, other than he statement, that he injected Andy Pettitte.
Sorry but, at least to me, you have to give me more evidence than that before you destroy somebody’s reputation.
Wait, I missed the story. So Andy gets his own HGH and hires his trainer to inject it?
thought u would repost here an newer page not trying to spam =)
As a mets fan I’am just grateful for two things. One Mike Piazza wasnt on the list.Honestly that would be as crushing for us as it would for you to find out Bernie Williams was using. An second I am glad Paul Loduca is gone I could just see him pushing David wright or Reyes to use an that would be as bad as the gooden strawberry days.
p.s I know its impossible but if Selig ever decided to give the 2000 world series to us I wouldent exactly be against it. seeing as how you had this in the mitchell report…
“According to McNamee, during the middle of the 2000 season Clemens made it clear that he was ready to use steroids again. During the latter part of the regular season, McNamee injected Clemens in the buttocks four to six times with testosterone from a bottle labeled either Sustanon 250 or Deca-Durabolin that McNamee had obtained from Radomski.â€
2000 world series against mets:
1-0 8ip 2h 0r 0bb 9k’s
17 Yanks
Jason Giambi
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde
Hal Morris
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
David Justice
Glenallen Hill
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Todd Williams
Kevin Brown
Jose Canseco
Darren Holmes
3 both for mets and yankees. I am not including Justice since he never played for us.
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Pratt
Mike Stanton
Only three where on the team last season Villone, Rawjah and Pettite.. not a good day to be a yankee fan. But thank the lord Mike Piazza is going into the hall of fame he will send Rawjah a post card on his induction day.
P.P.S Can Peter get any commentary from Susan Waldmen I would very much like to see her reaction right about now.
SJ: was HGH banned at the time that McNamee claims to have injected Pettite?
Mel, you knew about Clemens and Pettitte before today?
Anybody can accuse anybody of anything, you are right, but in this case somebody is accusing Andy Pettitte of using Performance Enhancing Drugs, there is more of a chance that he is guilty then there there is for him being innocent. That’s the stark truth. To turn a blind eye because he is one of your guys, is like I said, naive.
Ellen,
No.
Well said Clay.
As a mets fan I’am just grateful for two things. One Mike Piazza wasnt on the list.Honestly that would be as crushing for us as it would for you to find out Bernie Williams was using. An second I am glad Paul Loduca is gone I could just see him pushing David wright or Reyes to use an that would be as bad as the gooden strawberry days.
p.s I know its impossible but if Selig ever decided to give the 2000 world series to us I wouldent exactly be against it. seeing as how you had this in the mitchell report…
“According to McNamee, during the middle of the 2000 season Clemens made it clear that he was ready to use steroids again. During the latter part of the regular season, McNamee injected Clemens in the buttocks four to six times with testosterone from a bottle labeled either Sustanon 250 or Deca-Durabolin that McNamee had obtained from Radomski.â€
2000 world series against mets:
1-0 8ip 2h 0r 0bb 9k’s
17 Yanks
Jason Giambi
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde
Hal Morris
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
David Justice
Glenallen Hill
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Todd Williams
Kevin Brown
Jose Canseco
Darren Holmes
3 both for mets and yankees. I am not including Justice since he never played for us.
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Pratt
Mike Stanton
Only three where on the team last season Villone, Rawjah and Pettite.. not a good day to be a yankee fan. But thank the lord Mike Piazza is going into the hall of fame he will send Rawjah a post card on his induction day.
P.P.S Can Peter get any commentary from Susan Waldmen I would very much like to see her reaction right about now.
As a mets fan I’am just grateful for two things. One Mike Piazza wasnt on the list.Honestly that would be as crushing for us as it would for you to find out Bernie Williams was using. An second I am glad Paul Loduca is gone I could just see him pushing David wright or Reyes to use an that would be as bad as the gooden strawberry days.
p.s I know its impossible but if Selig ever decided to give the 2000 world series to us I wouldent exactly be against it. seeing as how you had this in the mitchell report…
“According to McNamee, during the middle of the 2000 season Clemens made it clear that he was ready to use steroids again. During the latter part of the regular season, McNamee injected Clemens in the buttocks four to six times with testosterone from a bottle labeled either Sustanon 250 or Deca-Durabolin that McNamee had obtained from Radomski.â€
2000 world series against mets:
1-0 8ip 2h 0r 0bb 9k’s
17 Yanks
Jason Giambi
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde
Hal Morris
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
David Justice
Glenallen Hill
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Todd Williams
Kevin Brown
Jose Canseco
Darren Holmes
3 both for mets and yankees. I am not including Justice since he never played for us.
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Pratt
Mike Stanton
Only three where on the team last season Villone, Rawjah and Pettite.. not a good day to be a yankee fan. But thank the lord Mike Piazza is going into the hall of fame he will send Rawjah a post card on his induction day.
P.P.S Can Peter get any commentary from Susan Waldmen I would very much like to see her reaction right about now.
Shawn,
Please give me objective proof that Andy Pettitte knowingly purchased and used HGH.
Please give me proof that George Mitchell was objective in his investigation and exhausted all possible avenues of evidence with ties to all MLB teams.
I don’t think you can.
I can give you proof that George Mitchell is a paid affiliate of the Boston Red Sox.
Why is there more of a chance Pettitte is guilty because he is accused of using PED’s? What makes you say that?
Suppose McNamee is lying? Suppose, in an effort to reduce his own prison term, he said whatever he felt he had to say in order to stay out of jail?
Do you not think that happens in the world?
Talk about naive.
You are so hung up on the allegation, you don’t even look at evidence. You just decide someone is guilty because of the charge.
Regardless of the charge, there has to be EVIDENCE. There is no evidence Andy Pettitte bought or used PED’s. You have testimony from a government witness who isn’t even sure how many times he injected the guy.
You don’t think that’s shaky testimony?
Thank God you aren’t a prosecutor.
i think its bull yankee fans think theirs a bias against them when their claming a SENATOR would risk hs name and everything hes done to help the Red Sox its just stupidity on the yankee fans part just accept your guys cheated an move on.
In my best Robin Willams voice:
“Dee/Jimmy/Mel, It’s not your fault….It’s not your fault, It’s not your fault, no you don’t know, It’s not your fault…..”
Like I said, there is more of a chance he is guilty than innocent. You make it seem like what ever McNamee said was taken as truth and not backed up by any follow up research. They have reasons for calling him flat out in the report. I would love to hear what he has to say about it.It’s not like he took Andy’s name out of a hat.
“i think its bull yankee fans think theirs a bias against them when their claming a SENATOR would risk hs name and everything hes done to help the Red Sox its just stupidity on the yankee fans part just accept your guys cheated an move on.”
No can do ben. If you dare put anything NY Yankees it will immediately be attacked as a conspiracy and a bias. It’s like the rich kid that always wants to ge their way.
There was a time when this was a proud and classy organization.
Unfortuanatley, that is a long time ago. Old time Yankees fans must be disgusted today.
That’s my point. There is no other evidence. Have you even read the report concerning Pettitte? They don’t have ANYTHING on him other than the word of McNamee.
There is no paper trail, failed drug test, drug purchases, nothing.
That makes him more guilty than innocent? Man, you really need a course in due process.
McNamee was brought into testify because he was facing a jail term for tax evasion and he purchased steroids from Radomski.
That’s how he was brought into the case.
Like I said, show me more EVIDENCE and I will gladly change my position.
There is NO EVIDENCE, other than testimony from a guy facing a jail term that links Andy Pettitte to HGH use. He isn’t linked at all to steroid use.
That makes him guilty? Sorry, it doesn’t.
So much for the idea of being innocent until proven guilty or not.
Not that anything in this “report” would hold up in a court of law.
As for Pettitte…well, if my elbow was in the condition his was in and I was looking at another 40 plus years of pain and discomfort, I’d certainly lean toward a medical substance that would help. If it was allowed under the rules of the game (and it WAS), I’d have no hesitation to take the round of doses, pills, or injections.
There was a photo several years ago (in the Times?) of Andy’s elbow as he was throwing. The ligament looked like a piece of skin about to fly off. It was a disturbing reminder of how much physical force is applied to a somewhat unnatural act that the human body is not well designed for.
If I was the commish, I would want a lot more for my $20 million. In fact I probably could have written a better report for 5. Mitch does this huge investigation and has to rely on two drug dealers for his story. For shame. For Shame. I am not defending anyone of those named but in a country that relies on due process, you cannot just take the words of a snitch without getting evidence. This report is a mockery of all we hold precious in this country. I still cannot get over the $20 million price tag for rumors and no evidence.
BONDS- IS NOT GUILTY TOO, by the same logic you are all applying to Pettitte.
What are you talking about?
You do realize the government has a failed drug test from Bonds, don’t you?
I’m sorry but, do they have that on Andy Pettitte?
The government also has 3 witnesses set to testify they saw Bonds use steroids.
I’m sorry, I must have missed that concerning Pettitte in the Mitchell Report. That’s right, they don’t have that re: Pettitte.
Still want to compare the two cases.
Its ok if you want to troll around. But, at least be semi-intelligent on the facts in this case.
Comparing Bonds and Pettitte is idiotic. Their cases aren’t similar in the slightest.
I heard Clemens’ attorney released a statement for him…does anyoe have it?
bonds and petitte are totally different
heshel,
So the Mets towel boy starts a HGH distribution business and only 3 Mets were on the list? come you but hole get real…This is a joke and the report has no credibility what so ever. To name names with out any evidence is ridiculous and slanderous.
You Redsox Trolls keep having your fun, but the fact that this report was based on NY testimony and had little to do with the Balco stuff in San Francisco is dubious at it’s core. The seventeen Yankees crap is silly because most of them were not Yankees when they were allegedly juicing…
“So much for the idea of being innocent until proven guilty or not.
Not that anything in this “report†would hold up in a court of law.
As for Pettitte…well, if my elbow was in the condition his was in and I was looking at another 40 plus years of pain and discomfort, I’d certainly lean toward a medical substance that would help. If it was allowed under the rules of the game (and it WAS), I’d have no hesitation to take the round of doses, pills, or injections.
There was a photo several years ago (in the Times?) of Andy’s elbow as he was throwing. The ligament looked like a piece of skin about to fly off. It was a disturbing reminder of how much physical force is applied to a somewhat unnatural act that the human body is not well designed for.”
–Well done here pat, you have to be a lawyer.
Initially you deny there’s any wrongdoing by Pettitte, then safety net it by saying IF he did in fact do it, it would be justified.
Again, it’s not your fault.
Isn’t trying to whitewash Mitchell on here Trolling too? Double standard?
heshel,
So the Mets towel boy starts a HGH distribution business and only 3 Mets were on the list? come you but hole get real…This is a joke and the report has no credibility what so ever. To name names with out any evidence is ridiculous and slanderous.
You Redsox Trolls keep having your fun, but the fact that this report was based on NY testimony and had little to do with the Balco stuff in San Francisco is dubious at it’s core. The seventeen Yankees crap is silly because most of them were not Yankees when they were allegedly juicing…
—VOIII, I am confused. If this report is such nonsense, why do you feel the need to explain away whom was or wasn’t a Yankee at the time of the alleged use?
NYPD,
Why do you feel the need to crucify the Yankees with no evidence to back it up? I think this report is a sham, but this is not how the media will portray it, nor how the public will view it. Just ask the Duke University Lacross team…I would expect more respect for the law and some old fashioned common sense coming from a retired member of the greatest Police Department on the planet.
Shawn,
I heard his name in relation after Jason Grimsley was busted. So, yes, it was in the back of my mind.
Gloat all you want, it’s so inconsequential to my life that anything you guys say just rolls off my back.
What a surprise…John Rocker ? Roid Rage. Wouldn’t of thunk it.
“think its bull yankee fans think theirs a bias against them when their claming a SENATOR would risk hs name and everything hes done to help the Red Sox its just stupidity on the yankee fans part just accept your guys cheated an move on.”
Ben:
George Mitchell is a FORMER Senator, retiring around 1995.
And surely, Ben, a lifelong politician and lawyer would NEVER think of favoritism and negotiating side deals to enhance their position or take care of an adversary, right?????
This just in – The World is Flat, Ben!
Hey, I’m not doubting that Clemens and Pettitte used and I mentioned their names along with Bernie Williams & Mike Stanton as potential cheaters last Month. What bothers me is that the “investigation” was conducted in a half-assed manner and only named ( by Mitchell’s own admission) a handful of players. Its totally unfair to put their names out there for them to undergo scrutiny and disciplinary action without including the rest of the cheaters. The name of “Nomar Garciaparra” being left off the Mitchell List is a joke and gives you an idea of how biased this Report really is.
I love it how everyone is bashing the Yanks here. It was a baseball wide thing. And Met’s fan’s, NEWSFLASH, it originated in YOUR TEAMS CLUBHOUSE!!!! I don’t consider Clemens a “Yankee”….Pettitte on the other hand, I do. Very disapointed to see his name on the report. I would like to believe he didn’t do it. About 80 players were named on this report, most of them at some point or another played for the Yanks or Mets….why?? Because it origninated in those two clubhouses. I could see where conspiracy theorists believe it has a New York biased. But, fact is, these players were named because of the two clubhouse guys for the Yanks and Mets. It is a sad day for baseball, not just the Yankees and Mets. I love the game, I am a season ticket holder. I will continue to be. If it were a clubhouse guy for any of the other teams, it would have been more people named from those said teams. Don’t be fooled, more of your hero’s than you think have used and will continue to use. Red Sox, Orioles, Angels, whoever, they have used and will continue. There are guys in the HOF now who have used most likely.