The Mitchell rumors, they be flying
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- December
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At last count, 22 people have forwarded me the list of players supposedly on the Mitchell Reports that is going around the interweb.
While I appreciate the interest, it would be irresponsible of me to post a list of names that is floatintg around there. The report will drop in 90 minutes and we’ll know then.
Most of the names seem to be players who have been tied to PEDs one way or another over the years. If the Mitchell Report is a fancy version of what somebody could have done with Google, it will be a sham.
Please, Senator, tell us that 20 months of work didn’t hinge on the testimony of a former Mets clubbie who was trying to reduce his jail time.
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Peter Abraham
Mitchell should have never allowed his integrity to come into question in the first place. If he is so honorable why doesnt he go into a hotel with a hooker and some cocaine? Then he can come out and say “I would never risk my reputation just to have sex with a hooker and do some blow.” Just because it is illogical that someone would risk their reputation does not make it impossible.
I hope this results in a player suing Mitchell or MLB or both.
Steve, but, but, he brokered peace in Northern Ireland!
LOL Thank you mel. At least somebody sees my point of view.
PLEASE EMAIL ME THE RUMORED LIST AT WJHORSTMANN@GMAIL.COM I HAVE NO ROOM FOR PATIENCE!
I saw the “list” and no big 200 percent boost in homers papi. What. A. Dis. Grace.
It’s an excellent point Steve. I agree 100%. People have thrown away much more for much less.
There is one Cardinals player that made me gasp, no other name did, but his name just made me go… oh no… (hand up to forehead)
I saw a list earlier on cnbc.omc but they have since pulled it down. i saw 4 yanks on the list. no mets of any sifnificance
I don’t get it. Even if the report and the investigation are flawed, how can there be fines and/or suspensions for using something that wasn’t banned at the time?
really 5 yankees if you consider one great moment in team history
Please Pete, post the official list as soon as possible.
Mike R
Exactly and more to my point, Mitchell has been flaunting his conflict of interest. If he wanted everyone to give him the benefit of the doubt, he should never have shown up at a Red Sox game using tickets given to him by the team asking for autographs from Red Sox players. He invited this criticism on himself.
today will be nuts
FYI my fellow NYC’ers it is a mess outside. It raining ice pellts and the sidewalks are slippery.
Heh, talk about impatience…I actually have a final to study for!
Boccaccio and Petrarch!
And instead I’m…umm…well…here…
William,
Here is a link to the list at Deadspin.
http://deadspin.com/sports/is-this-the-list%3F/is-this-the-list-of-players-mentioned-333479.php
Varitek and Pujols are on it.. The capt. Jason, what is up with that reduced production el capitan???????
NYC has nothing on us
It’s been snowing since I woke up, and it’s so white you can’t tell the road from the sidewalk or grass.
And I’m supposed to drive home tomorrow!
Generally, though, it helps to plow the @$#@$ street!
For what it’s worth, look back into Mitchell’s biography. He was a trial attorney in the Department of Justice, a U.S. Attorney (chief federal prosecutor) for Maine, and a federal district court judge. These are extremely prestigious positions that require impartiality and respect for due process. It is very rare and distinguished to have served in all of these positions. If any resume deserves some benefit of the doubt in terms of handling conflicts, his resume does.
the list being floated around has been refuted by MLB so don’t go 100 % by that rumored list
if this is in fact the list I would imagine that the Yankees mentioned with the exception of Clemens, Pettite and Heredia (gosh it is hard just to type his name as it was to watch him) all happened BEFORE they were Yankees ie Damon and Farnsworth as wouldnt they have tested positive as the new policy has been in effect since they have become Yankees??
jennifer- yeah, it’s really rough out there. I was in heels. Not fun.
Anyway, regarding the list, I wasn’t surprised by many of the alleged names other than Pujols. That’s unfortunate if it’s true.
Ava I have heels for the office, and wellies for outside.
Again, NYC has nothing on Syracuse.
Pete, nice A Few Good Men reference.
Here in Boston it’s been snowing for about an hour. And I’m also wearing heels. Aii.
Mel…
George Mitchell’s attempt to broker peace in Northern Ireland failed miserably, and he admitted it [link].
When the report comes out, Pete, you should say something like “Truth? You want the truth? Can we handle the truth?”
haha take take that varitek. I geuss now we know he was able to beat up AROD
i don’t know what you’re all complaining about, up there. we’ve aready had 37 inches of sunshine today, and it’s not even mitchell time yet! gotta love tampa weather
Very, very good thinking Jennifer.
Is anyone watching this Sportscenter special? I’m debating whether or not it’s worth it, seeing as right now it’s just a bunch of speculation.
“wouldnt they have tested positive as the new policy has been in effect since they have become Yankees?”
Not necessarily. The testing policy baseball has put into place is a joke.
It is much, much less rigorous than the one in the olympics for example.
It also doesn’t test for as many substances as other programs do.
And a major problem for all sports - there is currently no good test for detecting human growth hormone. They could easily have used HGH and it would not be possible to detect it by any kind of test.
If you hold up a positive test as the only legitimate evidence then no one who used human growth hormone could be identified.
“If any resume deserves some benefit of the doubt in terms of handling conflicts, his resume does.”
You left out the part of the resume that says, “Paid stooge for Red Sox”. I’m sure it’s on there somewhere. Look again.
It will be interesting to see how the leaked list matches up with the Mitchell Report. I suspect that it will corroborate pretty well. There are some pretty reputable nontraditional news sources with it, as well as some not so reputable.
All of those names aren’t too out of the realm of possibilities and there are no blatant guesses involved, so I am thinking there is a good chance that it is legit. Makes for some interesting emails with my Red Sox fan friends though (We are soooo disappointed in Tek….blah, blah, blah)
Gotta love someone sticking it to Andy and the Yankees by reading his bit to ESPN. You know they loved that hook up. Yankee-hating is indeed good for business.
jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge
December 13th, 2007 at 12:52 pm
FYI my fellow NYC’ers it is a mess outside. It raining ice pellts and the sidewalks are slippery.
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I know what you mean about the weather, Jennifer. It’s dropped all the way down to just above freezing here in savannah, Georgia. I’m not used to this 78 defree weather.
Felix Heredia used PED’s? Wow they didnt do a damn thing for him.
Stanton, Grimsley Knoublauch are on the list via M&MD
stanton and Knoblauch!!! ouch
Mike and Dod said Stanton and Knoblach will be on the list
78 degrees?
*goes to sharpen pick ax*
GreenBeret7 That is shorts and tank top weather for me.
glad it’s only snow here. though there seems to be a lot of it.
and i’m glad i just got a new ice scraper for my windshield.
i’m not glad i bought a new snow shovel though. i have a cold and can’t use the “don’t have a snowshovel” as an excuse…
I’m glad clemens name came up on the report..
all i can think about is him mowing down the twins and getting win 350.. i was very excited for him and the yanks..
but now, i view clemens as an absolute joke.
as for pettite.. its pathetic..
clemens is not a hall of famer
Yeah here comes on ESPN the king of conflict of interest….PETER GAMMONS!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Felix Heredia used PED’s? Wow they didnt do a damn thing for him.”
Because PED’s do not make you a better baseball player. If they did you would see 800 names on the list.
Knoblock?
I knew there was a reason why he couldnt find first base on his throws anymore.
I cant believe Ortiz is not on the list. What a joke.
Pettitte?
A
disgrace, Mr Family man, Mr Religion.
FRAUD
“Felix Heredia used PED’s? Wow they didnt do a damn thing for him.”
he already tested positive and was suspended, while on the Mets.
I realize that wasn’t a very Yankee thing to do, to ya’ll. It was something like a Red Sox fan would do. I just won’t mention it again. I’ll go say 3 Hail Marys in Yiddish for punishment.
I don’t know what you people are talking about. PEDs did help Felix Heredia. He threw the ball straight down the middle.
I have a question, is basketball the only major sport where the athletes do not use performance enhancers? Has there ever been an NBA player that tested positive for anything other than marijuana?
There’s a list on Wikipedia… Evetything on Wikipedia is true…Isn’t it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Report_%28baseball%29
GB: Three hail marys in Yiddish?
That’s…uh…odd.
Wow gone already…It was there 2 minutes ago
I still don’t see more than McNamee’s training and Grimsley’s plea for reduced punishment that implicates Pettitte. Was surprised that Leyritz’ name wasn’t on there, unless I missed it.
jeez that whole 98 team is goign to be on the list, heh.
i just hope paul o’neill jeter and rivera aren’t on the list. other than that, i dont really care.
Three Hail Mariahs
Three Hail Rebeccas
Rebecca, I had very mixed up parents…one catholic, one jewish
Fernando Tatis??? NOOOOOOOOOOO not Fernando!!!!
Anyone watching M & MD? You can tell Mad Dog will be extra annoying today. You get the feeling it’s not about who is on the list, it’s about him getting back t everyone who needled him about Bonds.
Mel: Hail Rebecca? How exactly does that go?
GB: Aha! My best friend’s got the same deal
I wonder how the press conference is going to go. I would love it if he just sat there rattling off names to make it sound even more like a watch hunt.
Also, how was Schilling not on that rumored list??
GB7 - Leyritz said in an interview today that he never used because he is a high risk for prostate cancer and that increases your probablities of developing it.
Take it for what it’s worth.
George Mitchell can be trusted both Mike and Chris agree, how can anyone argue then. Clemens should have gone back to Boston, his name would be no where near the
Mitchell Report/toilet paper
the todd,
It’s karma. New York fans were positively giddy when the Patriots got busted for Spygate, even though it turns out that the Jets did it, too. Everyone questioned the Patriots Superbowl wins.
Won’t feel so good if it happens to the Yankees and people question the dynasty of the late ’90’s.
crap David Justice is in this too ? so much for YES
a href=”http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/12/13/mitchell.news/index.html?bcnn=yes”>SI
crap David Justice is in this too ? so much for YES
SI
Mike R
High risk for prostate cancer??? Mike Lowell anybody?
Mehdi, It’s rather insensitive of you to mention Bonds and needles in the same sentence. He doesn’t do that. He only rubs flax seed oil on his legs. Somehow, it got on his head.
Stop it steve you know Mike Lowell is a red sox player
Guys, please, this is all speculation. Nothing has been leaked, just a bunch of nonsense until officially announced.
Steve Phillips defending Mitchell. lol.
It’s not like Red Sox don’t have crucial players named.
Varitek, Damon,
Manny!
Alexander.
Can Steve Phillips shut up please?? The bias is annoying!
i think this whole thing is a farce and what mitchell is doing to be completely irresponsible.
i’m sure that any names in the text are completely caveated (i.e., the guy who fed us this total heresay about your favorite player juicing is a total loser who got his jail sentence reduced), but it doesn’t matter, because once you put someone’s name in a “official” report like this, it becomes gospel in the eyes of much of the press and the public. what kind of fair hearing is that?
The Mitchell report does NOT simply hinge on the testimony of an ex-Mets clubhouse employee. There are electronic and paper trails to back it up. Further, all players were invited in to explain away this evidence that the investigators had. None would do so.
Further, Clemens and Pettitte, two of the biggest fish caught in this investigation, were turned in by their own trainer.
No natter how much some try to belittle the evidence in this report, it is admissable in a court of law. And if any player feels Radomski or Clemens’ trainer lied, then sue them. They won’t dare.
SI.com has confirmed that Miguel Tejada, Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte are named in the Mitchell Report.
SI.com also says Brian Roberts is there, as are former Yankees Mike Stanton, Jason Grimsley and Chuck Knoblauch. Apparently, steroids don’t help you throw to first base.
HAHAHA - I love rotoworld.
Steve - Hadn’t thought of that, but yes. Like Mike Lowell.
Dr. Cox, what’s a “watch hunt”? Is that a search for timepieces?
If Lenny Dykstra is on the list (as I hear he is), what is it going to do for his career as a financial commentator for TheStreet.com??? In all seriousness, he is on the list I saw, but no Kevin Mitchell. Maybe Mitchell blew out of the league too soon.
I know NYY has a few names supposedly on the list, but nothing makes me smile more than hearing Varitek rumored to be on the list.
For years, I’ve cringed when idiot Sox fans have posted that picture of ‘Tek fighting A-Rod (with his mask on!)….as if that is something to be proud of!
Grab this photo and have it ready when the news is official:
http://tenstarmusic.com/images/VaritekCheater.jpg
Is it Hail Rebecca ala Hail Ceasar or it it Hail Rebecca ala Hail Mary?
my only concern is will pettite be suspended, and if so.. for how long..
**”…steroids don’t help you throw to first base.”**
Haha. Too funny.
This Mitchell report will be a bigger let down than finding out there really is no Santa Claus.
mel
I dont believe anyone will actually find the Yankees World Series victories tainted and if they do then so do the Red Sox since Damon played such a big part in 04 and Varitek in both 04 and 07.
Lowell had testicular cancer. Wonder if they’ll release the years that all this took place? Obviously a lot of them stopped using it before they bevame Yankees. How did Hard Hittin’ Mark whitten and Glen Allen Hill stay off of this?
Mitchell Report = Bird droppings
ESPN doesn’t pay him enough
“my only concern is will pettite be suspended, and if so.. for how long..”
They’re not going to suspend people for things that happened years ago. I don’t think they can. And what proof do they have? If they don’t have positive test results in their possession, it’s all hearsay.
The inclusion of Varitek (and to a lesser extent Trot Nixon) on list is absolutely devastating to Red Sox fans. Why do I think that when the list is released Varitek’s name will have disappeared.
Poor Knoblauch - first he couldn’t throw the ball to first base, and now this.
Stacey
jay gibbons and jose guillen..
i think they both got suspended..
Remember guys, they can only suspend players if they used steroids after 2003.
gargoyle….i fear you are right, but i certainly hope not!
http://tenstarmusic.com/images/VaritekCheater.jpg
Knoblauch, thought PED’s would help his yips.
I wish that McNamee was as loyal as Greg Anderson.
NYY: Personally, I’m more fond of Hail Caeser, seeing as I have no (and don’t really plan to have any) ‘fruit of thy womb’
Bill: Agreed. Poor Knobby!
“This Mitchell report will be a bigger let down than finding out there really is no Santa Claus.”
WHAT?!?!?!
Mitchell is a redsox fan
“Stacey
jay gibbons and jose guillen..
i think they both got suspended..”
Well, that case a lot of people are going to be suspended. Bud Selig should resign. He turned a blind eye to this for years. Screw him.
Is anybody watching ESPN? They are just burying Clemens and Pettitte. They even put a video from ESPN’s visit to Clemens’ house in 2002 with Clemens and Pettitte working out with their trainer.
Uh Oh, they were suspended because it took place before this change in penalties took place in ‘05, but, under the older rules of ‘03 or 04.
I know that most people (Pete included) don’t want to say anything about the list that’s going around right now. That’s the right way though, right now there is nothing to that list and Pete and others would be lowering themselves by posting it. However, I feel like they wouldn’t completely make up a list of players that are very believeable to be on the list just for the sake of having it. 23 minutes and counting
I guess the giant, obnoxious “C” on Varitek’s jersey stands for cheater.
halfz - Im not saying rasner is great but he does have pretty good numbers in the majors and he has pretty solid control unlike the majority of our current bullpen. I just think the pen is going to have so many flaws this yr, we really need all the help we can get. And rasner would add to the diversity of a pen that is full of hard-throwing righties with no control. Additionally, i think the hawkins acquisition isnt enough and if that deal does help, it certainly doesnt make a significant impact on the bullpen next yr. A compilation of mediocre players, decent players and those with high cielings of ramirez, veras, ohlendorf, britton, hawkins, farnsoworth, henn, whright, Igawa, karstens, bruney, albedejo and the late editions of horne, melancon, cox and sanchez possibly does not mean the bullpen will be solid next yr. I dont think one can just accumulate a massive amount of righties and horrible lefty relief arms and past starters and expect to have a number of them rise up out of the garbage and give us effective relief. More likely it will be similar to the pen before joba where we will struggle to find a decent arm that can get us through an inning every single game. I hope i am wrong but i feel a trade must be made in which we acquire someone who can act as our eighth inning guy and the rock of our pen like joba last yr and gordon of old and what farnsworthless was signed on to do but failed miserably.
And whats with everyone saying the yanks will be hit hard by the mitchell report - could that possibly be because a redsox employee ran the investigation or is that crazy talk. And i really cant think of anyone besides giambi and possibly pettitte who are currently on our 40 man roster and have ever even been linked to steroids in the past.
It all depends on when it happened and whether it was drugs, steroids or HGH.
bphill, Mitchell is not a sox fan, he is an employee of the team!
look at redsox.com - George Mitchell is listed as a “team officer”, right below Larry Lucchino’s name!!!
http://tenstarmusic.com/images/VaritekCheater.jpg
GB
ahh i get it..
well good.. then pettite shouldnt be suspended..
ill keep hoping so
“Is anybody watching ESPN? They are just burying Clemens and Pettitte. They even put a video from ESPN’s visit to Clemens’ house in 2002 with Clemens and Pettitte working out with their trainer.”
That’s shocking. Not. If one of their beloved Red Sox players were implicated there would be purple and black bunting on the news desks at ESPN. I hate them so much.
Mitchell would take offense to being called a Red Sox fan.
Once again he’s a director of the Red Sox.
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/team/front_office.jsp?c_id=bos
Yeah I am watching ESPN too. They are making Pettitte and Roger look terrible. You would think this report is called the Roger and Andy Report the way ESPN makes it out to be.
Baseball puts too much emphasis on the records and legacy, instead of the actually game.
Mel,
What?! I love Pettitte too, but if he’s a cheat, then he’s a cheat. You can’t blame McNamee for Pettitte’s transgressions.
Chris “crazy puppy” Russo, may be one of the biggest idiots I’ve ever listened to in my life.
Did Mitchell purposely forget to include his friend Ortiz on the list?
i wonder how the relationship of Clemens and Pettitte will now be viewed. Before today it was viewed in such a positive light, i think, the tide has turned on that.
“Chris “crazy puppy” Russo, may be one of the biggest idiots I’ve ever listened to in my life.”
You’re just realizing this…
The official list going to be release 1:45pm per Mike n’ Maddog.
Steve Phillips makes me naseous.
“Chris “crazy puppy” Russo, may be one of the biggest idiots I’ve ever listened to in my life.”
You’re just realizing this now?
Am I the only person that really doesn’t care who is on this list. My life isn’t going stop once this report is released.
Stephen,
Whatever. I think in this day and age, it’s cool to see that Anderson was willing to sit in jail for Barry Bonds.
Of course cheating is wrong. But there is no honor anymore. Everyone is a rat. Silly POV? Yeah, but I’m such a romantic.
Vader–I agree with you. I don’t care who is on the list.
One more minute….
Wonder how many public apologies will be coming out in the next few weeks, and how many flat out denials?
migames,
You’re kidding, right? I love Pettitte, but that relationship has been weird. For years.
I’m sure Greg Anderson has an overseas bank account that’s been getting monthly deposits. He’s not doing this because he’s a nice guy.
Canseco’s in the house. There for his hero’s welcome as the catalyst for the whole investigation. Gag.
but that relationship has been weird. For years.
hhahahaha
i guess
What’s pathetic is no one will actually mention that Mitchell is employed be the Red Sox. Selig is a pathetic loser, and anyone who actually believes some of the names that will be on the list are retarded.
GB7,
Like I said, I’m a romantic.
Amazing how many former San Francisco Giants are expected to be on this list. One thing is for sure, taking steroids doesn’t help you win ball games.
The video on ESPN showed two guys doing a very intense workout. It did not show them taking steroids.
I think it’s awful that the only two names splashed on the screen are Clemens & Pettitte, though I do reaize Clemens is a big fish.
I’m really having more trouble with this than I thought I would. I want just one of these people to answer, Why?
From mlb.com, 39 of the 70 names that’s floating around are wrong.
Ha LoDuca is on the list.
Has it started?
I find it hard to believe that so much of the information coming from the Mets clubbie and only 2-3 Mets are on the lists.
Doreen — Why would either Clemens or Pettitte or anyone else for that matter use steroids? That’s simple. They work.
After downloading and reading the report it seems to me that (1) these guys were stupid for not knowing to use cash instead of checks, and (2) that it is very likely that steroid use has been running rampant in MLB for years. If basically a couple guys ratted out this many players than it is very likely that many many many more have also used the drugs and just did it more discreetly. I believe that this report uncovers just the tip of the iceberg and that there is still a huge amount hidden below the surface that we may never know about.