Breaking down Pettitte’s statement
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While it’s commendable that Andy Pettitte has admitted to using human growth hormone, his statement leaves a lot to be desired.
Pettitte says:
If what I did was an error in judgment on my part, I apologize. It was a crime. It’s illegal in this country to have HGH without a prescription. That’s an error in judgment.
I wasn’t looking for an edge; I was looking to heal. Healing faster via the use of human growth hormone is certainly an edge. If you’re using HGH, you have an edge over an injured player who isn’t using HGH.
Though it was not against baseball rules … Technically, the use of prescription drugs without a prescription has been illegal in baseball since 1971. Baseball also made it clear in the early 1990s that any sort of performance-enhancing drugs were illegal. HGH wasn’t specifically banned in 2002 because it was new drug in baseball circles, but that’s a poor excuse. If your trainer gives you injections of a drug, you know it’s wrong.
Andy is a good guy who apparently made one mistake. I don’t think he should be suspended. But his “apology” seems like more of an excuse. Better to simply admit guilt, apologize and move on.
That said, Yankee fans love the guy and will love his statement. The criticism of the media and the excuses will play well.
This is bad news for Roger Clemens. The Rocket has denied everything. But if Brian McNamee was injecting Pettitte, it’s hard to believe that the trainer wasn’t doing the same for Clemens.
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Peter Abraham
whatever.
it’s “prescription,” not “perscription.”
Maybe I’m delusional, but it seems to me like Pettitte was attempting to apologize…
Pete.. He apologized the bottom line is you did not like his use of words…Who cares at the end of the day the apology is still there…
How would you like to be embarrassed in from of 200 mill people??? How would you like to be embarasd when the likes of pudge rodriguez, nomah, sosa, mcgwire, luis gonzalez, and about 250 real cheats laguhh there ass off??????
It is like 50 people jaywalk in NY and the cop pulls over 1 guy to give him a ticket>>>>>>It is a joke.. if they had varitek, kapler, nixon, and others on the report and not just mainly mets and yankees then it would appear a little fairer…
Where is the fairness in this report!!!!!!!
Peter,
If Andy wants to put this all to rest he ought to donate his next year’s salary to charity.
I think Andy was entitled to give us his point of view while apologizing. He’s accepting blame, but also letting us know he’s not a terrible guy. No harm in defending himself to some degree from the over-the-top (and largely contrived, in my opinion) media outrage.
Lame. Lame. Lame. Apologies don’t start with the word “IF”.
When my kids try to apologize like that, they’re “given the opportunity” to do it all over again. People who put unambiguous articles about the purity with which they treat their own body on beliefnet.com (2005, sorry no link) need to do a LOT better.
Hendricks boys should be fired for letting their client put out a weak piece of slop like that.
@ “It was a crime” – I would bet any pair of shoes in my closet (I’m a chick, so that’s a strong statement) or any bootleg in my CD collection that the majority of posters on this blog, including myself, have committed more “crimes” than Andy has in his entire life.
“the blaming of the media and the excuses will play well” – Perhaps what Pete meant to say here is, “correctly stating that the media has repeatedly slandered Pettitte by saying he took steroids will play well, because it’s true.”
Where are the excuses?? I don’t see them. And, he IS attempting to apologize. What more do you want him to do or say?
My little brother is so sad, this is why I told him not to look up to anyone, Pettitte is a good man for admitting that the Mitchell Report was accurate, it’s just heartbreaking.
Too much parsing on Andy or his agent’s part in what seems to be an effort to make sure he gets the least amount of punishment from Bud Selig, but I am glad he came clean sooner rather than later.
Greenies were in widespread use in the 50’s & 60’s & 70’s. Maybe Mitchell will out those players as well after this witch hunt.
oh boy Pete I understand what you say but good luck w/ the retracting comments
Pete,
No other player from the report has come forward yet. No matter how we break down this word versus that word, it does not surprise me that the only player thus far with the nuts to come out and say, “this is true. i’m sorry” is Andy Pettitte.
That may be somewhat Pollyannish of me, but it’s what I feel right now.
I agree with exactly what Anthony said. I think Andy was giving his side of the story and also explaining what his thought process was when he made a mistake.
His apology and admission is there, to rip apart words that he didn’t have other people come up with on his behalf is just nit-picking.
Anthony, I left you your answer about Jonathan Lester in the other thread.
Buddy, “greenies” were around baseball in the 20’s and 30’s. So were other stimulants. It’s been in sports from the beginning.
For once I agree (partially) with Peter. The conditional apology was not great, but what to me was most significant was the implications for Clemens. What Pettitte said bolsters Brian McNamee’s credibility. There are no significant discrepancies between McNamee’s and Pettitte account of his HGH use, which is very bad for Clemens. I think Pettitte had to speak out, because the way the media is portraying him is so unfair. My Dad, who follows the news but doesn’t read blogs, had no idea what the Mitchell report actually said about Pettitte, just that he had “cheated.” Obviously Pettitte put his own reputation ahead of loyalty to Roger, because this pretty much destroys the “McNamee was a single, uncorroborated source facing jail” defense.
Marijuana, amphetamines, and a plethora of other drugs are illegal to us without a doctors prescription too.
Don’t hold your breathe waiting for an apolgy from all the MLB’ers who have used them.
I don’t know, Pete. Very few things in life are black and white. I guess I committed a crime two weeks ago when I took penicillan to treat strep throat that was prescribed to my brother over a year ago.
Pettitte certainly didn’t act 100 percent in the right…but I wouldn’t label him a cheater, either.
The bottom line is that Andy screwed up, and he admitted it. If the report is true, and if what Andy’s said is true and it was an isolated incident while he was on the DL in 2002, then he deserves to be forgiven. He’s done great things for the team and the sport, in his accomplishments, his attitude, and his approach to the game, and none of that is tarnished in my eyes.
For all those good people who have ever made a mistake, you should be so lucky that your lapses in judgement are not put under the microscope of the reactionary mass media and the largely uninformed public. You should be so lucky.
Pettitte is a good man, unlike Clemens.
Selig is far worse than both of them.
Peter-
I noticed you “broke down” Pettitte’s statement, then failed to even address or quote the last paragraph, because there was nothing to be obnoxious about in it.
Nice job being thorough. You stink.
What happened, happened.
The Mitchell report is a joke, and I frankly don’t understand what exactly baseball hoped to acomplish by releasing it (other than avoiding possible Congress oversight of baseball).
I say this because the use of steroids, which is widely accepted to have happened in the last 15 to 20 years, has NOT affected MLB’s revenues (which have balooned to US$6BN).
So what if the Celzic’s, Mariotti’s and Lupica’s of the world get on their high-horse?
It’s not like if they’re paying customers anyway….
Tell us how you feel about athletes that use cortisone, Pete. The also allow players to have an edge, because it reduces pain and swelling.
(1)Pettitte seems like a good guy who’s transgressions may well be limited, in type and duration. During the Steroid Era, his behavior falls in the category of “misdemeanor.” I don’t absolve him, but I can’t get apoplectic over his actions.
(2) Clemens has in no way “denied everything.” Clemens’ lawyer has offerred carefully parsed legalese which make two points: (a) that Clamens has been targeted by a dubious witness, and (b) that Clemens has never tested positive for PEDs.
Neither Clemens nor his lawyer have denied the use of PEDs. It is no accident that their statement(s) are in the form of the deliberately confusing “non-denial denial.”
I won’t bother to go through the collateral evidence that Clemens seemed to find a lucrative, career-extending Fountain of Youth ….. one which added 160 wins and ten of millions of dollars to his stash. He had motive, he had opportunity. Clemens won’t deny, and he won’t sue. He’ll look up Mark McGwire and ask his advice on living life in anonymity. Good riddance to a total fraud, who was a serial juicer for almost half of his career.
Charlie-
Peter a great guy but can’t say one bad word about any Yankee even if they “Cheated”.And thats like many people here…he cheated and now let’s get a real “Ace”….the LEGEND…..thats right Sanatana.
If Pettitte really sorry give the money back and go play ball wih your kids we don’t need your 4 Era we already got a overrated “Ace” in Wang.
I don’t know if anyone’s pointed this out, but if Clemens WAS juicing in 1997 and 1998 (and that got him back to All-Time Great status), isn’t the Mitchell report broadcasting the effectiveness of taking steroids?
Pete, go destroy all those Springsteen bootlegs you have, getting your hands on those was a CRIME. I see what you’re saying, but there are all kinds of crimes going on and I personally don’t see the difference between HGH and a Cortisone shot, except the Cortisone shot actually works….
Yeah, I guess I committed a crime a few months ago for taking Tylenol 3 from my girlfriend’s leftover perscription b/c I had a wisdom tooth coming in and couldn’t immediately afford to get it pulled. I was also studying for finals around this time, so I guess I gained a competitive advantage… ?
Though it was not against baseball rules … Technically, the use of perscription drugs without a perscription has been illegal in baseball since 1971.
If MLB had enfored this rule since 1971, there would be no one left to play.
Pettitte was wrong to do what he did, but cortisone is a steriod that players use to get back on the field on the time and their not cheaters?
Hopefully, the judgmental people on this board (ALL OF THEM) that talk about and decide what’s right and wrong, remember this the next time you make a business trip and decide to pad your expense account. Remember that “lap dances” cannot be used as a legitimate entertainment expense.
Andy clearly doesn’t believe that he should have to apologize, and neither do I. Hell, in my softball league, if I have an injury and access to something that’ll make me heal faster, I’m taking it.
It’s already put to rest, except to sanctimonious fools like you.
Andy is a class act and a true man for coming forward the way he did. I’m surprised by the skepticism that is underlying some of the comments here. We have all made mistakes – why be so judgemental?
Considering the dubiousness of the report and its sources, I think we should put these accusations (”innocent until proven guilty!!”) in its proper context. I still question why these players’ reputations had to be compromised by naming names when clearly this report was not a complete representation of what/who was doing what during that time. It strictly represents one side of the story. We should keep that in mind.
Andy, we fans still love and support you!
I imagine when Pettitte comes out to pitch in 08 he will be greeted by a particularly LOUD round of applause…
Not applauding him for taking the HGH, but applauding him for owning up to it and for realizing that doing it twice is far different than doing it over a ten year period…
Couldn’t agree more with you Pete. I commend Andy coming forward but it really did seem more like an excuse than an apology. The “If” was a very poor choice of words because its obvious that it was an error in judgment. Someone earlier mentioned that people take cortisone to deal with swelling but thats prescribed by a doctor for a legitimate purpose not purchased on the black market. If he thought it was so harmless, why apologize at all.
Yankeefan, maybe for the same reason apologised to the team and fans for breaking his wrist in 2006.
Not to mention he completely threw his best friend Clemens under the bus. Thats the way to give credibility to a “disturbed” (as Clemens lawyer described him) individual.
*that Matsui**
One thing to remember about Andy is that since 1996 he has pitched since with an elbow that could required TJ surgery if he so chose. Instead he has gutted it out. That’s what kind of man he is.
Anyone who wants to put him down for this needs to look in the mirror, because in comparison to Pettitte, you’re probably a disingenuous coward.
Andy’s reputation is intact, in my opinion. I don’t hold it against him. Peter, why are you such a little bitch?
Green beret, I agree that Andy is typically a stand up guy but his apology didn’t really seem like an apology at all. He threw all these little justifications in there instead of just owning up to it head on. I think I would have just preferred he say, “I was wrong. I am sorry.” Instead of all these comments regarding it not being against baseball policy and it was only to heal faster.
You guys can’t have it both ways. We all break minor laws in our lives. However I never had a third party obtain prescription drugs for me. That’s not jaywalking or buying a bootleg CD. So if your 17-year-old kid picks up some vicodin from his buddy at school, that’s OK?
I like Andy a lot and I don’t think he should be suspended. But he knew what he was doing was wrong and he did it anyway. Don’t make excuses, just admit it and apologize. He obviously tried to make himself a sympathetic figure.
I know plagerism is wrong. I can’t do just a little bit. I just can’t do it.
The steroids in cortisone are different than the performance-enhancing steroids, An entire class of drugs are classified as steroids. But there are many different types.
Yankeesfan, Pettitte had to do what was best for him. If Clemens used steroids and is lying about it, that’s on him.
Pete,
Like a lot of people, i need to disagree with your assessment of the apology. Perhaps you’re trying to be so impartial to the point that you’re playing devil’s advocate. I think the fans will understand where Pettitte is coming from, I know i do, and what he said acknowledges the fact that there will be people who disagree with him, and he rationalized and more so apologizes for those actions. He provides an excuse but apologizes for it. The poll and what i would call a logical conclusion indicates that Andy had the best intentions.
**that Matsui**
I don’t look at this as Andy throwing Clemens under the bus. He wanted to be honest and get this off his chest and you can’t hold back on something like that because of what it might do to someone else. It’s not like he is revealing any details about Clemens’ PED use. Unlike Frank Thomas he isn’t a snitch. Nor will he be one. Giambi didn’t give up any names in his meeting with Selig and neither will Andy.
Peter,
There is a difference between a minor who uses Vicodin, a mind altering drug, and 30 year old man taking a drug that has no such effect.
One poster had an interesting point …. that Pettitte has given instant credibility to Clemens’ accuser by acknowledging the accuracy of his testimony.
Yankeesfan, how did Pettitte throw Clemens under a bus? What makes you think he didn’t talk to Clemens first about this? You, just like me,have no idea. What is it he said? He only explained why he did it. You don’t like the way it’s worded. Well, topugh crap. At least it didn’t sound like something a lawyer wrote.
So let me get this straight. Pettitte, by telling the truth, is throwing Clemens under the bus, but Clemens, who is likely continuing to lie, didn’t throw himself under the bus.
That’s rather bizarre logic.
Man that Mitchell Report sure was a BS witchhunt, huh?
“So if your 17-year-old kid picks up some vicodin from his buddy at school, that’s OK?”
Apples to oranges. Andy is a grown man, not a 17-year-old kid. I don’t have any kids, but if I found out my 17-y/o cousin was getting Vicodin from the kids at school, yes I’d be upset. However if I found out that one of my ADULT relatives got some Vicodin from a friend for a toothache or whatever, no, I wouldn’t be upset.
“He obviously tried to make himself a sympathetic figure.”
With all due respect Pete, there were “journalists” using his name in the same sentence of Barry Bonds when this report first came out. There were 1,000s of other players who juiced and were not named, yet he is the one being thrown to the wolves despite having way less involvement with PED’s than other players NOT listed in the report. The media said he used steroids when he didn’t. You really don’t think any of this stuff makes him a sympathetic figure? Not even a little bit?
Look Andy’s apology wasn’t perfect, the beginning kills it. However, he did the right thing in coming out and admitting it, otherwise it becomes one lie after the other. Hopefully the lying is now over.
I like Pettitte as a pitcher, but I like him much more as a person.
Whoa, Its not bizarre logic at all. By Clemens continuing to lie, if Pettite kept lying as well, they could deny that the trainer was being truthful. But by Pettite acknowledging the validity of the statements he made in the Mitchell report, he gives credibility to the trainer. Thats why he threw him under the bus. I’m not saying he is wrong for doing it. He is his own man but his excuse/apology for using HGH as the trainer said he did was the nail in Clemens coffin. Now there is no recourse. If Clemens sues for defamation they can use Pettite’s comments to prove the credibility of the trainers comments and therefore Clemens has no cause of action.
Right on, whoa.
Again, I think Pettite was right to step up and admit to doing what he did. However, it did put Clemens in a tougher spot (if that was even possible). And considering that they are best friends, it might make things awkward at the next family bbq.
I am sure if Rudy Giuliani was hired to investigate MLB PED problem it would read totally different than the Mitchell Report.
I just have to agree with Peter. I think I am a rare breed as far as yankee fans go. I am actually IMPARTIAL when it comes to dealing with our own. Saying that a “true yankee” made a mistake is like saying “bomb” on an airplane, apparently.
This whole mess is more of a media circus than anything. Pettitte’s criticism of the media is well founded. They looked like a bunch of rabid dogs prior to the Mitchell report on Wednesday. Following the announcement, reporters grimley revealed the names as if they came from the mouth of God instead of from a clubhouse attendant and a conditioning coach/drug dealer who were strong armed by the Feds. If Andy appologized, that’s good enough for me . What’s he supposed to do, bleed for his indiscretion?
Truth defines reality. The truth is Pettitte used HGH. Being the kind of man he is, he decided that he had to tell the truth. Whether or not that has an incidental impact on Clemens’s veracity is not on Pettitte, it’s on Clemens.
There is no way that Clemens could ever: a) prove the essential elements of defamation (i.e., malice, which is knowledge of falsity or reckless disregard for the truth or falsity of the alleged defamatory statement); or b) would subject himself to pre-trial discovery.
So Clemens’s only recourse has always been to tell the truth or continue to lie.
Tony, Your sarcasm about the source of the information is confusing since Pettite’s admission gives the guy credibility. Your opinion that he was strong armed by the feds or was a drug dealer doesn’t change the fact that he was telling the truth.
Peter, what you said was ridiculous and a way to point a finger at a guy who for all intents and purposes is innocent. Pettitte made an impact-less mistake. 2 doses of HGH did not effect his recovery or how he pitched after he had recovered. If he was looking for an edge, he would have done it more than twice. HGH for the purposes that he (barely) used it for was NOT a performance enhancing supplement. What good is an apology if you don’t explain the circumstances surrounding it. Obviously, what he did was way different from what Clemens or Bonds is accused of. If he apologized vaguely, people would have grouped what he did with what Bonds did, and that isn’t fair. For him to be criticized over this apology is completely absurd.
No hard feelings, but I had to say it. Pettitte’s being slammed here and now and it was just not right.
Whoa, I gotta respect the elements of libel and the legal definition of malice. Did you break out the Black’s Dictionary for that one
. I am a law student so I can appreciate your point. I just feel that being that they have such a strong relationship outside of baseball, its going to make things awkward between them. While there may have been no legal recourse for clemens even if Pettite didnt come forward, it still damned him even further in the public’s eye. Clemens may have still brought a libel suit even if he didn’t have a chance of getting a judgment but now its just frivolous.
Peter,
Your saying a player who gets a cortizone shot is cheating? Those shots are in effect helping a player in getting on the field quicker. I will not debate you on the difference between cortisone and HGH because it is irrelevant in this case. The desired result is the same. If I have an injury and my trainer has access to a drug that will help me heal, I will ask him for it. My understanding is that there are variations of HGH that you can get over the counter. I really do not see this as cheating. This was an attempt to heal as fast as possible not to enhance his on field performance.
PLEASE!!!!!!!
Pete and all the other “haters” need to get off their “High Horse”. What Andy did was the equivalent of a traffic violation in the “Steroid Era”. It’s trying pot but not inhaling….. right Mr. President.
I’m a huge fan of Andy, but I also thought the statement left a lot to be desired. It should have been a much more straightforward apology.
Hey Mr. Whoa,
Sanctimonious fool? I thought this board was for polite discussion. I still say he should make amends.
I find it rather humorous that a writer takes objections to Pettitte’s remarks about the things written in the papers, constantly using steroids in place of HGH…mainly because steroids is sexier to type and sells better. Reporters need to get off their high horses. What about all of the TV reports and the rags, along with news websites that plastered names of players everywhere from phony lists, because they were more worried about being out scooped than being accurate. Wonder how many names, careers and reputations were crushed by the irresponsible jerks that did that? I wonder how many of those “Knights Of The Keyboards†will make personal and public apologies? My guess is NONE.
I apologize, but I think he has already made amends with his honesty, and has demonstrated great character. What do you want, a pound of flesh?
No, I served my time in law school.
Again, I don’t see why you are placing the responsibility on the truth teller rather than the obfuscator.
Whoa, I said Pettite is his own man and can do what he pleases. But you are being too idealistic here. In an ideal world, nobody would ever do anything wrong and when they did, they would come forward without first being outed. However, in reality, people lie, people do what it takes to protect themselves, people will tell each other whatever they think will be best interpreted by the people judging them. If pettite was such a great guy, he would have come out and admitted to doing HGH without being outed. This is damage control. Since his reputation is soiled in most of baseball (excluding Yankee nation of course), he may have been better off just denying the accounts, kept the “drug dealer, disgruntled ex-trainer’s story as being exactly that, a story, and not a fact. I live in the real world where this is what people do. I commend him for coming forward but lets not look at the guy like he is second coming. He only came forward after he was busted.
I think Pettitte’s statement is completely admirable. He’s the first one named in the report to fess up, and he has gone a long way toward putting the matter behind him. Good on him.
Men who live their whole lives in such a way that they don’t have much to apologize for may not be great at making apologies when they have too. That’s probably the case here. Don’t jump on Andy because he used the word “if.” He’s not being evasive. He’s probably embarrassed, he’s certainly angry and no doubt he feels like he’s got to say something . . . Take the man’s words at face value and leave it there.
As I see it, Pettitte’s word are not framed in the language of legal parsing. There’s no attorney here asking him to edit out the conditional “if.” The man is telling us what happened and what his thinking was. That’s the point of his statement.
A fully apology–No. The reason? He probably feels like many of us. The Mitchell report is utter BS and now he’s on the evening news and made to sound like Rasputin. In his mind, all he did was take the stuff twice to get off the DL faster. Is he rationalizing here? Maybe.
But if you are Pettitte, you gotta say something. And because Andy is a man of character, he did.
Thanks Andy!
obfuscator ????? Is that like an elevator or escolator ?
this is a perfect example of how obnoxious and hatable pete abe is.
his blog is useful but pete you are a jerk
Pettitte’s apology is certainly more than you’ll ever see from Bud Selig for allowing this to fester 10 years` after he knew about it, and certainly more than you’ll ever see from any type of reporter who pasted those flase lists of names on the web sites. It’ll be a cold day in Hell when that happens.
**false**
I’m a Sox fan, but I give Pettitte all the kudos in the world for just coming clean and admitting he screwed up. I don’t care about how he phrased it… he’s just fessing up, and that puts it to rest, IMO. He’s just a very conscientious employee-athlete, that let his competitiveness cloud his judgement. He f*cked up. Like we all do.
What would be REALLY refreshing was if other mlb players, who used HGH under similar circumstances, (but who were not caught by the Mitchell net) would stand up and make a similiar confession. Kind of like the “I AM SPARTACUS” scene!
Whether Yankee or Red Sox or Met or Phillie… just stand alongside Pettitte and just fess up, and know that by doing so, most fans will applaud you as well as absolve you and you won’t have to go the rest of your career worrying about some clubhouse boy ratting you out in a tell all book.
And if Roger came out tomorrow and admitted his wrong doing, he’d be elected to the HOF on his first try. If he stays to his Deny! Deny! Deny! routine, he may never get in.
Julio Lugo was in attendance at Ike Turner’s funeral which was a gathering of wife beaters. Lugo brought along chunks of glass from his car windshield. Where did he muster up all that pent up anger ? Could it be ‘roids ?
George Mitchell as a Red Sox director had to remove him from “the list” for fear that another Boston season with a revolving shortstop had to end sometime.
Now that Pettitte admitted that he is a cheater he can be suspended. Clemens is never getting in the HoF. Serves him right. Nice to see the cheaters getting what is coming to them.
Of course Pete had to trash Andy’s apology…had he not, he wouldn’t have gotten nearly as many response posts on his blog!
Yes Pete, Andy’s apology wasn’t perfect, you’re right about that. Unfortunately, i had to listen to Ron Darling of SNY, who’s a great GAME analyst by the way, say to an audience of millions of viewers how Clemens and Pettitte injected themselves with steroids! I was floored!! And nobody on the broadcast corrected him!! Didn’t the report say he allegedly took HGH 2-4 times while on the DL in 2002?! But nobody read that. They just wanted the names. You can bet a lot more people heard Darling’s statement that night than actually read the report. This is just one incident, the NY Tabloids were just as bad!
So yes, there was a bit too much “excusing” in his apology, you are right about that. But after what i have watched, read and listened to the last two days, I think i know why he felt compelled to do so.
Wow, Andy Pettitte! You screwed up by cheating, but it’s all okay now because you apologized! All is forgiven! You’re a Real American Hero, Andy! I proclaim this…Andy Pettitte Day! Hip Hip Hooray!!!
BBB-
what crimes have you committed?
Naughty girls are sexy (ie Thema & Louise).
Mike-
give it a break.
it’s not like Andy traded arms for hostages or outed an undercover CIA agent.
Baseball is entertainment. George Lucas uses special effects, Brittney lip-syncs, and Paris beaches her hair.
hahahahhahah!
Ike, may your “pimp-hand” rest in peace.
Britney lip syncs?!? Can’t wait for that public apology.
But you’re right; Andy didn’t trade arms for hostages or out an undercover CIA agent (that we know of!). So now I shall forgive him! I shall forgive him because he wears pinstripes (he’s just lucky that he’s not playing for the Red Sox or the Mets because then I’d say “he sucks” and would never, ever forgive him).
You’re a Real American Hero, Frosty (if that is your real name)! I proclaim this…Frosty Day! Hip Hip Hooray!!!
It is a Frosty Day – my treat-sack is freezing.
No wonder Pettitte accepted the $16 million re-up last week, instead of this week. He’s a manipulative, cheating dog. His apology was pathetic. Cut him.
Eddie Layton
December 15th, 2007 at 10:53 pm
No wonder Pettitte accepted the $16 million re-up last week, instead of this week. He’s a manipulative, cheating dog. His apology was pathetic. Cut him.
Hey Eddie, I thought you were dead.
Please read pages 215-224 of the Mitchell report it is all about Andy and Roger there is no getting around this information. Roger had the most powerful steriod on the market (anadrol 50) and was advise by Mcnamee not to use it it causes liver damange and other problems.Mcnamee took it from Clemens and gave it to Conseco.It’s all about the details,the devil is in the details.~
I personally love Clemens he always chose the yankees over Boston when given the choice.Maybe duquette the gm quite possibly embittered Roger when they traded him to Toronto after 13 yrs siting he’s in his twilight years.Something sparked in Roger at that time and the report goes into great details on what was going toronto with Clemens and Consecon in 1998.pgs 215-224
Giant fans turned a blind eye to the truth and stoodbehind Bonds. Yankees fans are smart enough to recognize the truth
before it reaches court.I buy Andy’s explaination it sooo closely matches the reoprt. It would be nice if Roger speaks and (not just through a lawyer) about the allegations to the Yankees and their fans.
This is a huge reproach on the Yankees image.The redsucks got the whole baseball commuinity to hate the Yankees,by crying poor redsucks can’t get a break from “the evil empire” and Now this garbage will make hating Yankees ENVOGUE!!!
I was 10 years old when the Yanks won the 96 series. The Yankees from that stretch were my idols and like gods to me. It’s like if Milli Vanilli was your favorite band…
The 2000 World Series had 47 innings pitched by the Yankees. 30.2 of those innings were pitched by players named on the report, with a 3-0 record.
There is no way this ends good. Thursday was baseball’s darkest day since the black sox scandal. Although, it was definetely necessary and I think baseball handled it decently. (I would say they handled it well, but they had essentially a red sox employee doing the whole thing)
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How pathetically typical. Who the hell, Peter, are you to judge ANYONE ????
What a pompous ass.
>>Thursday was baseball’s darkest day since the black sox scandal.
“Maybe I’m delusional, but it seems to me like Pettitte was attempting to apologize…”
No, you’re just a blind yankee homer.
Spike Owen-
oh brother. I’m sure the yankees are they only team who broke the rules.
Who concerns themselves with what other teams are doing?That’s not the standard anyone(especially a Yankee) should use to determine right from wrong.NY Yankee players that thinks this is ok, just because 1)everybody else was doing it.2)It levels the playing field.3)It was wasn’t aganist the rules at the time(so it wasn’t cheating)is lying to himself.We know right from wrong whether there’s a law spelling it out.THERE ARE NO NUTRITION FACTS LISTED ON DRUGS FOR A REASON.
Who says HGH is illegal without a prescription???? I can find pages of HGH products on any site that sells vitamins on the web! What form of HGH did Pettitte take? I think Peter has dramatically overreacted here. Many respectable books have been written extolling the virtues of HGH for older people to take as a regular, continuing therapy to increase muscle mass, reduce the effects of ageing and increase libido. It is not an evil drug. It is a substance that everybody’s body produces naturally. It has many very necessary and important functions in our body and we would quickly age and die without it!!!!
Pete, You are right on.
i am amazed how fans make excuses for these players. How the defend them even when you would have to be a fool to do so…like the folks who stood behind Pete Rose…untill he fessed up..and made those supporters look like fools.
‘I didn’t do it to give me an edge’..Gimme a break…
Why should Pettitte apologize? HGH is not illegal and he did it to heal himself.
Did Tommy John apologize for Tommy John surgery? He certainly use the surgery to heal himself with a “new” ligament. Did that take away an opportunity from another pitcher with an “old” ligament? At the time, the surgery was outside the norm and certainly was not prescribed by any doctor except for Dr. Andrews.
Andy, you are the best. No need to apologize.