Haren traded, Santana could be next
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Now that Oakland has traded Dan Haren to Arizona, the Johan Santana chase just got more interesting.
The loser(s) no longer have Haren as a backup plan. The only other No. 1 on the market is Erik Bedard and Baltimore probably isn’t going to trade him within the division.
That should expedite the trade talks. Boston’s interest has cooled considerably since the Winter Meetings. The Mets want in, but won’t give up Jose Reyes. Could the Yankees fill the void?
Brian Cashman has gone J.D. Salinger since Nashville. But Hank Steinbrenner admits that no doors have been closed. This could play out like the Randy Johnson trade, when the Yankees walked away in December only to acquire the big lefty in January.
Before you start dreaming of Santana in pinstripes, keep in mind that Oakland got a load of talent for Haren. Based on the Baseball America list, Arizona traded four of its top eight prospects including its top guy, OF Carlos Gonzalez.
Minnesota didn’t think Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera and B-list prospect was enough earlier this month. They certainly aren’t settling for that package now.
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Would Kennedy, Melky, Horne, Marquez and Hilligoss get it done?
with Haren gone and Bedard unavailable the price will have gone up, not down.
Unless you’ve found that wide-rumored missing page in the Mitchell report concerning David Ortiz, don’t bother with the steroid talk anymore.
Posted this on the other thread – didn’t see the new one specific to the trade…
I think the Haren trade makes it much more difficult for the Twins to trade Santana.
Beane got a ton of talent for Haren. Now the market for Haren was probably much larger, but can Smith now take less than what his demands were for a deal and still face the Twins fan base?
Can Smith do a deal without getting back Ellsbury and Lester or Hughes and Kennedy if Beane got Gonzalez and Anderson plus 4 other players for Haren?
I don’t know that the Twins will be able to swallow getting less than what the A’s got. Both the A’s and Yankees offers were significantly less than what the D’Backs traded.
Haren is much more affordable. But Santana is Santana.
I think those comments from Hank are just more posturing given the persistent rumors coming out about the Sox interest.
I don’t see either the Sox or Yankees giving up anwhere close to the package the D’Backs parted with.
Smith is in a very tough spot.
I don’t think the price for Santana will go up. Only 2-4 teams can afford 7 years and $140 million. Only about 3 teams have the prospects to intrigue Minnesota and only 2 of those teams reported interest. Haren has an afforable salary and is signed for a few more years. Santana is a pending FA facing a BOATLOAD of money. That certainly decreases the return Minnesota can get. I think expecting back a package similar to what Oakland got for Haren is optimistic and certainly NOT too little.
Smith has to trade him CB. He definitely will not sign with Minny. Let’s say the Yanks offer Melky, Ian, Horne, Hilligoss and Marquez. How can Bill Smith justify to the fans, taking two draft picks over a starting CF with major-league experience, 2 top pitching prospects and two other mid-level prospects? You are not going to get that out of two draft picks.
Yankees Opening Day Starting Rotation:
Santana ( ON THE MOUND )
Pettitte
Wang
Joba
Hughes
Kennedy / Mussina
Book It, Dano !
I agree that the market for Haren was much larger.
But the Twins need to justify their new publicly financed stadium to their fan base.
While the market for Santana is more limited than the one for Haren, Haren is nowhere near the pitcher that Santana is.
From a public relations standpoint I don’t see the Twins decreasing their asking price. They’ve been very public about what they want. I don’t think they can settle for less. It’s Bill Smith’s first move. The offers he has on the table from the yankees and sox aren’t just a little less than what Beane got – they are considerably less.
At this point he may have to keep Santana and start the season.
Getting back 3 players, even if one is Phil Hughes will be a tough sell in Minnesota after Beane got 6 talented to very talented players for a lesser pitcher than Haren.
sure, they traded 4 of their top 8 prospects, but what actual value do these players have?
from what i understand, more than a couple are years away from really contributing, and just because they are top 8 in the DBacks system, how do they really rank to those arms in the Yankees farm?
the OF, Carlos Gonzalez, who was the centerpiece has potential, but noone in that deal had an upside of a number 1-2 in a staff, or is a lock down all-star, let alone a regular mlb-ready player.
and the dbacks are only on the hook for $16 million over the next 3 years, so they can afford to give up more talent in the deal. the twins shouldnt expect the same type of structure in a deal for johan… the parameters are much different by comparison.
and not for nothing, but with HAren finally gone, it looks like the doors have opened for the fire sale in Oakland. Would it be more valueable for the yankees to trade a couple of pitchers below the holy trinity for Huston Street, instead of trading a Hughes package for Johan at this point in the game? Prior was non-tendered, but in the same respect, why not ask about Harden, who could be considered a classic high risk/high reward type acquisition…
I think CB is on the money on this one, think about it Bill Smith is basically stuck in a bad position the only good thing he can do is get Terry Ryan to resign Johan, because I seriously doubt NYY wants to part w/ Philip Hughes I sure as hell wouldn’t, and there shouldn’t be any 5 or 6 for 1 deals for someone heading into the down slide of his career as it seems, Terry Ryan most likely looks to Smith and wonders how Fla gets a whole house and how Oak gets a whole house yet you want me to settle for a bathroom ?
I’m guessing he resigns Santana to a longterm deal of 20 per and then tries to trade him later on
Save Phil Hughes.
screw the sweepstakes, lets dance. i want wang / pettitte / hughes / joba / moose or ipk. its time to let the trinity rise from the ashes and burn the bronx down. YEA YEA
“How can Bill Smith justify to the fans, taking two draft picks over a starting CF with major-league experience, 2 top pitching prospects and two other mid-level prospects?”
MikeBH,
I agree – two draft picks are an awful return. But what your discounting is the 2008 season.
If Smith says we’re keeping Santana and going to take our shot I don’t think their fan base will think that’s a dumb move. They weren’t screaming bloody murder when hunter left.
At the same time its not unreasonable for them to say, you know what – Liriano is coming back. Let’s go for it. The Detroit trade made it more difficult for them to do it. But I just don’t see how Smith can take a much lesser package even if that’s what the market dictates. How does he sell that to Morneau and Mauer? The fans?
Smith is stuck.
I disagree Brandon. If Smith cannot sign Santna, he HAS to trade him. The fans will CRUCIFY him if Santana walks at the end of next year for two draft picks. The only way Santana remains a Twin is if Pohlad forks over the $$$$$$ to meet johan’s asking price. Doesn’t look like that is going to happen.
I agree I’d rather dance w/ the team I got let Minny dangle w/e we can’t let other teams dictate what our FO should do, this is how we got into this position
I always felt Haren had more value do to his contract.
But CB, so you tell your fans “we’re going for it” in 2008???? Trying to compete with the Indians and the Tigers, not to mention the Angels, Yanks and Sox??? The Twins aren’t going to the World Series. I doubt they are even making the playoffs unless the Tigers and Indians completely fall apart. Unlike the Sox and Yanks, the Twins don;t have the best shot of making the playoffs year in and year out. If they wannted to tell their fans they were going for it this year, THEY would have stepped in and tried to acquire Cabrera and Willis and not let one of their top rivals upgrade so greatly.
MikeinBH here’s what I said :
“Terry Ryan most likely looks to Smith and wonders how Fla gets a whole house and how Oak gets a whole house yet you want me to settle for a bathroom ?
I’m guessing he resigns Santana to a longterm deal of 20 per and then tries to trade him later on”
another words Terry Ryan isn’t poor the Twins most likely dangle Santana around if there is no taker they’d probably resign him to a longterm deal to save face
MikeinBH, if Liriano returns, Santana & Liriano could be a tough combo in the AL
Brandon:
Not if history is precedant. Carl Pohlad has NEVER forked ove the dough to keep his free agents. The only one who ever stayed was Brad Radke and that is because he always took less. Doubt Santana is as generous with Pohlad.
Santana and Liriano would be tough. But Liriano is a big IF right now. Can Santana, Liriano, Mauer and Morneau do it alone against Willis, Verlander, Rogers, Bonderman, Pudge, Sheff, Guillen, Polanco, Renteria, Cabrera, Granderson, and Ordonez or Sabathia, Carmona, Westbrook, Betancourt, Perez, Martinez, Garko, Peralta, Hafner, Sizemore, etc.
right now, the Twins, for as good as Santana is, would be almost in the same position with its staff than the Yankees, in that its young, and has an incredibly high ceiling, but its largely unproven.
right now, i’d imagine you’d have Johan, Liriano, Bonser, Baker, and Slowey, right?
talented? sure, but there is a lot of uncertainty there, even with johan sticking around… who knows what type of pitcher liriano will be for 2008 coming off surgery?
my point being, they arent going to be able to compete, Johan or not… they have to deal him.
assuming Pohlad’s GM doesn’t get what he wants they’re not looking to deal just to deal, I understand wanting him in NY, I understand the packages your proposing but understand that organization whether it’s Mickey Moude or not running it is not taking a just to deal and save face move, if they want to they can resign Santana
“But CB, so you tell your fans “we’re going for it” in 2008???? Trying to compete with the Indians and the Tigers, not to mention the Angels, Yanks and Sox???”
I understand how crazy that sounds. But think of it this way – the Twins are perpetually in this position. Every single year they are huge underdogs to those other teams.
So in that respect the 2008 becomes even more valuable to them – this may be their last chance to win for the next decade because they have Santana and Liriano.
If you’re the Twins I don’t think you can give up the the opportunity the 2008 season represents lightly.
They have to get some minimal return for Santana to give up the “opportunity cost” of foregoing their shot in 2008. The dynamics of them being a small market long shot are never changing unless a hard cap goes into effect (which isn’t happenning).
I agree that getting two picks is the worst long term outcome for them. But as a new GM Smith has to think about how he’s going to sell what he’s doing right now.
If he’s thinking – I make the wild card – short series I have santana and liriano starting and Neshek and Nathan (assuming they keep him to go for it in 2008) to shorten the game.
I think this trade makes it very hard for Smith to accept what’s been offerred. At the worst I think he’ll hold santana if he doesn’t get the two stud prospects he’s looking for and revisit the situation at the trade deadline after he sees how his team is doing.
On the other hand, it may drive the price for Santana up beyond what anybody’s willing to pay. Do you really think that the best pitcher in baseball right now is worth the entire farm system and $120M? I think the smart gamble is to bet that nobody will pay what the Twins will ask and sign him as a FA next year or feel confident that you can beat the Sox if they give up Ellsbury, Lester, ‘Holz, etc. Honestly, I think Cash and Theo will opt for cash next year or wait for the Twins to get desperate. Who else is going to give them what they want, anyway?
You are not understanding me. Pohlad has NEVER paid up. IF he refuses to meet Santana’s asking price, he HAS to then trade him. You keep talking as though the Twins still consider signing him as an option. I don’t believe that IS an option. If it isn’t, then you have 2 choices, deal him or lose him to FA and get two draft picks. If I’m Bill Smith and my owner does NOT give me the ok to fork over $20M a year, then I am making the best trade I can, whether it is settling or not. No fan can criticise a GM for taking the best deal out there when his hands are tied. 2 draft picks are certainly not the best deal.
Hughes > Santana
“On the other hand, it may drive the price for Santana up beyond what anybody’s willing to pay.”
I agree with this. I think this Haren trade makes it more likely Santana doesn’t get traded – or at least not until the trade deadline.
Save Phil Hughes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If Minny was going to pay up, they wouldn’t be shopping him. Even if they wanted to keep him, they know that Santana has one foot out the door. Once the “t” word (trade) comes up that’s it, can’t take it back.
Stay the course, Cashman. It’s just a big chess game and the only two playing are you and Theo.
If the Yankees can somehow get Santana w/o giving up Hughes, it would be an amazing deal.
I think the Yankees shouldn’t give up Phil but Kenndy,Horne,Jackson,Marquiz and B-Prospect.Santana is gonna give you more then what Kennedy and Horne can even project or even dream about.
I thought Abreu’s comments in Newsday were interesting. It could be that Santana has made his desires known to the Twins on where he wants to play. While I can see that he would not put that out publicly, it wouldn’t be that far out there to think he wouldn’t say it privately to his current club.
In a way that is the more fair way of operating – let them know that no matter what this team is offering, I have no intention of signing a long term deal with them.
Does Kennedy, Melky, Tabata, Horne & either Marquez/Hilligoss get it done?
Brandon-
You should trade in your Bernard King jersey for a Monta Ellis jersey.
I’m not even there I see it just like the Yankees said
untouchables: Philip Hughes, Robi Cano, Dellin Betances, Alan Horne, Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy and José Tabata
anyone else by all means talk
Anybody but Hughes. Cash will quit if Hank makes him trade away his favorite action figure. That’s the card Cash holds.
what did Bernard do ?, I’d spit on an Isiah Thomas jersey right now if I saw one…go ahead say I won’t
SAVE PHIL HUGHES
Now with Haren gone, Minnesota’s gonna ask for even more for Santana because they know they can drive the price up. I say no to any package that asks for BOTH Kennedy and Hughes – you know they now have the guts to ask for it. I can see it already: Twinkies asking for Hughes, Melky, and Kennedy.
Hell, I said no to any package that involved Kennedy in the first place.
Even Boston might not be able to afford Santana now. Hank and Cashman should stay put and not get burgled by the Twinkies. We should wait till July then check on Santana again – the chances are he’s not going to get traded in the Winter. Come July, let’s see how Joba and Hughes and Kennedy panned out, then see if we have a need for Santana. No reason to dump our entire farm in a hurry.
What if the Twins never wants Hughs and Kennedy?
What if they want Joba?
Well you go-get-Santana people hand out Joba?
I wonder if the Twins aren’t asking more of the Sox. I can’t imagine Boston holding things up because they don’t want to include both Ellsbury and Lester.
Plus I think team are worried about 7 years-140 mill.
What will be sweet is if the Triplets end up all doing very well, and the Twinkies fans cry that they could have had Hughes.
Jose Tabtha,Alan Horne and Jackson and Kennedy are not untouchable for Santana.Santana on this club will win 20 games at least three times and at least 1 or 2 Cy Youngs.If Santana was on this team and had 4 more wins to his resume he would have won the CY Young because his stats in other areas were better then C.C Sabthia and Beckett.
we won 96 games with more than 10 starts by AA and A ball pitchers last season, we are not that desperate for 20 wins from one SP when we can get 15 from 2 going out. Santana is not a must Sandman especially for those guys you claim aren’t untouchable, we should be focusing on building a new dynasty not building one for another team.
If the Yanks get him, Hughes won’t be in the deal.
Drew, there was a link to the Minny paper in another thread that the pitcher the Twins have their eye on is Laptops. It wasn’t clear if the ransom was Laptops AND Elsbury.
They also stated Johan would want at least 7/$20M. I thought this was to get Boston to move because we know there’s only 1 team that would pay that much.
Hank’s quoted in one of the NY papers that the door is still open for a Santana trade.
I will lose a lot of respect for Hank if he trades Hughes for Santana. Cuz that means that everything that comes out of his mouth is BS and teams will continue to rob us. Cash got the club to the point where the Yankees are in the driver’s seat. Instead Hank can’t keep his hands off the wheel and they’re going to CRASH! O.k. just a little overboard with the analogy.
A person who has spoken to Minnesota management and asked not to be named because he is not authorized to speak for the team said the Yankees told the Twins they would get back into the Santana talks if they can shed the contract of left fielder Hideki Matsui.
http://www.nj.com/yankees/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/1197697119317400.xml&coll=1
I don’t buy it I think the writer invented this person and for what’s worth the Yankees have expressed interest in Prior – a duh ya think
Save Hughes. Save the World!
Conseco said the list was missing many names and then added that A-Rod is not who he appears.
He never used steroids.
Alex Rodriguez denies steroid use, HGH and PEDs
How does the reported Yankee interest in Prior factor into the Santana equation? It was also confirmed that dumping Matsui’s salary was a key requirement in the Santana equation. Too many variables…or just smoke and mirrors?
back bench, little if any at all, Prior is still a big risk w/ high reward if his arm lasts, Santana to NY is not going to be reasoned because of Mark Prior, and if Prior does return it’d be for a minor league deal.
I would give Mark Prior an incentive deal. Big risk with an even bigger reward.
Santana isn’t going to happen. I can’t see Cash Money giving up 4 top 10 Yankee talent for Santana and $140 million like the Haren deal.
The Yanks can trade for Joe Nathan.
Brandon-
Your right we should be looking for a next dynasy but remember this isn’t a rebuilding team we have Joba as our future ACE and Kennedy as a back of the rotation guy and Wang.The late 90’s had there farm players but they also had stars.Yu need to get a guy that can give you 200 inninngs.
Joba,Kennedy and Phl can’t give you 160 each without risking future injuries.I want Hughes but Sanatana can be a domiant pitcher for the next 5 years until Joba,Kenney and other pitchers go through there setbacks.You ain’t beating Beckett and Santana in the Regualr season or Post season no matter how good the “big three” are.Santana is better then the “big three” and Hank knows you won’t get a pitcher like this in his prime on the trade market.
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Actually Kennedy can easily touch 200 IP this year. Joba and Hughes are the ones that definitely won’t clear 175.
OF ALL THE DRAMATICS!
With 6 pitchers the inning limitations won’t be as big a concern unless there are injuries. Kennedy will be able to contribute the full load of work.
GRRRR,
Barring injury of course. Joba said he’s reached 150 in a season so he’s confident he can carry some of the load.
It’ll be interesting to see how they divvy up the innings. If one or more of the six should be injured, then Karstens will probably step in.
Even though it’ll be a flex rotation, hopefully we won’t have what we had last year, auditions in the Bronx for B-Pitchers.
I believe this Haren deal actually helps the Yanks.
Yes, the price for Santana just went up and that’s not good for any potential trade partner.
That said (and I could be wrong about this), I really don’t believe the Yanks were willing to give up Hughes and the other prospects the Twins were asking for in return anyways, so it’s almost a moot point. If the Yanks were unwilling to meet the Twins’ demands two weeks ago, it’s less likely they would meet those demands now that the price has gone up.
This deal helps the Yanks is because it also drives up the price for the Red Sox. After watching Haren get shipped to Arizona for that much beef, does anyone think Bill Smith can now settle for Ellsbury and the rest of the marginal prospects they might have considered two weeks ago from Theo and Co.?
I don’t think so. Bill Smith has to sell this trade to the fans in Minnesota and I don’t believe the Twins’ faithful would be impressed by a deal centering around Ellbury after watching Billy Beane raid the D-Backs farm in exchange for a pitcher not in Santana’s league.
Granted, the one-year left on his current deal and subsequent contract extension is a major difference, but you get the overall point.
Theo and Co. have been unwilling to part with both Ellsbury and Lester from the beginning and you’d have to believe that Smith will up the ante now that Santana’s market value has risen again.
I think the odds of Santana ending up in Beantown this offseason just got longer.
Not sure anyone posted this, A-Rod is to be on 60 Minutes and will discuss the Mitchell report
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spbasenotes1215,0,1291368.story
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If you read any Minn. papers/news, B Smith will make his bones off his handling of the Santana situation. AND like everybody else in MLB, being a Yankee Killer, gets them all puffed up.
Cash needs to get truly creative, persuasive & assertive. He could pry Kazimir out of TB. Yankees need a LHSP in the midst of all those righties. Not to mention, who knows what Pettitte will be doing on or off the field in 2K8.
Newsday has a story out today saying people close to the Rocket say he will pitch in 08. Now I dont see it happening but say he did pitch how much do you think he would make?
At least the Yanks have SOME ‘’interest’’ in Mark Prior.
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/1197697119317400.xml&coll=1
7 years $140 mil for Santana? No thanks.
I disagree with anyone who claims the A’s got the better of the deal. They got one player, Carlos Gonzalez, an outfielder who at 22 “might” be ready to jump to the majors. None of those pitchers are ready, and even if they are some of the Diamondbacks highest rated pitchers, if they were in the Yankee system, they would be no higher than A or AA ball right now. Dana Eveland, a southpaw has been rocked in his short stints with the Brewers and Diamonbacks. Why didn’t Beane ask for a major league ready pitcher off their squad, like Dustin Nippert or Micah Owings, especially since they gave them Danny Haren???
Jose Valverde was a steal for the Astros, with the return of a decent Qualls and the rest were fringe players. Did the Yankees know Valvarde was on the market??
If the Yankees need to unload some salary, and Matsui is the only one they might deal to unload enough salary, where would you see him giving up his NTC to be traded to, and for what?
Therefore with regards to Santana, based on the Haren trade, giving up Hughes plus Cabrera, two major league ready players, plus having to sign Santana to a whopping long term deal, would be a bad decision on the Yankees part. The best scenario is for Santana to hit FA, when large Yankee contracts come off the books, and sign him. Of course if he wins the Cy Young, he’ll get more money, but that’s a gamble worth taking, rather than giving up your starting CF’er and a 21 yo pitcher, who is already a major league starter in Hughes!!
Mark Prior would be worth a look.
Rich Hardin could be a steal if the asking price is right.
Joe Nathan would be terrific, but he will be a FA looking for closer money, and we have a closer paid 15M/year.
Houston Street is overated.
Our bullpen has a lot of ifs. Which Yankee bullpen pitcher do you want in the seventh inning with one out and the bases loaded?? I can’t think of any!!
Trader :
Watch and see in spring training. There’s 4 bullpen spots open for competition and it will shake out from within the organization. The Yankees lack only a lefthander in the bullpen and Cashman WILL get one sooner rather than later.
I am so angry right now, I woke up at 8am listening to espn radio. The moron on the station was going thru the 2000 ws and saying both cheaters Andy Pettitte and Roger Clemens pitched in those games, went on to basically say the Mets probably would have won since we don’t know what Roger and ANdy would have had left at that point. Did the moron even read any of the report? Or did he just read the headlines in the papers and run with it? Andy wasn’t accused in 2000. He supposedly used in to rehab an injury. I tried to call in of course the line was busy. But I shut off that station in dugust, I dont know if anyone called up to correct him.
I will sit down later to write an email to that moron. And I wish I knew a way to get in touch with ANdy and his people so he can sue for slander.
Pete—I respectfully disagree with your surmise that the price for Santana just went up. Perhaps that is what is in Minnesota’s mind, but they don’t control the situation. The clock is ticking against them (not the case with Oakland and Haren), the bid side is below what they “need”, and Santana can veto any trade. For the acquiring team, they have to pay out big bucks now to keep Santana. I think that Smith will be pushed down towards a comparable for the draft choices he’d get plus the value of a one year rental, and that will go down every week once the season starts. Hughes and Kennedy were recent high draft choices, true, but they have panned out—comparing one of them to two draft choices is like comparing a jackpot to a ticket for tomorrow’s lottery—and trading either one for a rental is way overpaying. Smith tried bluffing during the GM meetings, and his bluff was exposed. Now he’s going to be embarassed no matter what.
I don’t know how Arizona’s prospects stack up against ours, but what they gave us for Randy Johnson was definitely overhyped. Viz was really a seventh-inning guy at best, no control and one inning maximum, Ohlendorf may make a useful reliever but he’s a long way from Jeff Nelson, Gonzalez and Jackson have yet to show they are major league material.
Keep up your great blog. It’s a must read for anyone who wants to know what’s really happening. Happy holidays.
Andy’s not going to sue anyone for slander. To do that would put him even more in the spotlight and that it not the type of publicity he wants.
I, too, hate when they lump him in as a steroid user when he allegedly just used HGH during his rehab in a year when it wasn’t illegal.
It makes me even more angry because you have all these people on the radio talking as if they are speaking the truth and what they are saying doesn’t match what was said in the report.
And I was thinking about how suspious it looks that you have mostly east coast players, the Jays, NY teams, and Baltimore, but the team in the middle Bostson, was left off the report, save for a fringe guy. You can’t tell me that he didn’t purposely leave big name soxs off the list.
Jennifer
Is that Warner Wolf yer talking about???
I think so.
Where was Matt Lawtons name on that list.He admitted his use of steroids while he was with the Yankees in 2005.
How about Jamal Strong while he was with Seattle,he finished 2007 in the minors with the Yankees.
Why was Mcgwire left off???
G.Mota was suspended for 50 games!!Where is his name??
Steve Sommers last night on WFAN around 11ish had his usual opening monologue of lightly bashing Clemens and Andy.
That list has no cred at all in my opinion.
Did anyone hear the interview Justice did with Michael Kay yesterday????
No Justice NO piece
What a win-win situation.
Either A) Boston gets the best pitcher in baseball or B) Hanky implodes and over pays for Santana.
David Justice sure did defended himself on ESPN last night.
“G.Mota was suspended for 50 games!!Where is his name??”
you have to ask what the objective of the mitchell report was with so many obvious names missing. it surely couldn’t have been meant to be a comprehensive overview of peds in mlb. so what what the point of it from the owners view (it is a report from the owners)?
i think it was simply a power play to let all players know that any one of them could be next. the response of the players, if this was the purpose of the mitchell report, should be a right back at you lawsuit against the owners.
about every ten years the owners pay out hundreds of millions of dollars in collusion settlements with the players, so this wouldn’t be any different.
the mitchell report is really just another form of collusion against the players in the continuing battle of owners vs. players.
In the trade for Dan Haren, Billy Beane may have got quantity but anyone who thinks he got quality is mistaken.
The centerpiece of the trade just finished up AA Ball and while he had a good year (he is considered a top 25 prospect) he is not Jay Bruce. The other guys the As got back are noway near to contributing to a major league team anytime soon. The pitchers had ok seasons in A ball. I would rank Dan McCutcheon higher than the minor league pitchers the As got.
Some people argued that Beane would get more since Haren had a reasonable contract…they were clearly wrong. As someone already mentioned Beane wasn’t able to get a major league ready pitcher…He couldn’t even get Owens…
Diamondbacks got a great pitcher and only gave up one concensus top 50 prospect.
The Tigers must be suffering from buyers remorse…they gave up 2 top 30 prospects and another 4 good-decent prospects for the excellent Miguel Cabrera and the soon to be wrecked Dontrelle Willis.
Congress should include Jose Canseco in the MLB hearings that have been pushed back to January.
Subpeona him, put him under oath, and tell him to spill all he knows.
I personally don’t believe he has anything on A-Rod or any other player pertaining to PED use that he has not already shared. If he did, it would have been in Juiced because it’s not like he had a 2 book deal.
He’s having a hard time getting a publisher now even after the success of the first book. But by some chance he does know something, make him lay it out there with perjury risks attached.
Finally, a chance to talk about baseball instead of the Salem witch hunt!
The Twins are in a tough spot, as mentioned by several others above. If the A’s got all that for Haren, it kind of forces Bill Smith to raise his price for Santana. (Either that or look like a fool.) If Hughes and Melky weren’t enough two weeks ago, they sure aren’t now. Add that to the premium to actually sign Santana to an extension – Like Cash and Hank said, they don’t want to pay through the nose twice.
Bobby Abreu’s comments are interesting. I’m sure that Cash and Hank are aware of this also, through their backchannels.
From what I’ve seen of Hank, he seems less taken by big names than his father. If that’s truly the case, he may figure why pay twice, in talent AND a big contract, when by waiting you can just pay the money and SAVE the inexpensive talent.
In a way, I hope that the Twins have a good season, and are in the playoff hunt. It will make it that much harder for them to deal Santana at the deadline. And then he comes to NY for 2009, at the ripe old age of 30.
gunther toody
NYPD113th
December 15th, 2007 at 9:36 am
What a win-win situation.
Either A) Boston gets the best pitcher in baseball or B) Hanky implodes and over pays for Santana.
Count your blessings they didn’t get Big Sloppi in the last sweep. Only a matter of time.
TJ Beam signed a deal with the Pirates.
Pittsburg seems to be the Yankees AAAA farm club. Lots of Yankee cast offs seem to land there.
gunther toody-car 54
Another win like getting Gagne? Take your crystal ball out to be calibrated.
Big problem I have with your comparison of prospects is the Arizona playersd have not accomplished nearly as much as the Players the Yankees have in the deal…The top pitching prospect in this trade Brett Anderson had a good year in Low A but did NOT put up good numbers in High A…Gonzalez while Highly rated had an unimpressive season this year and is still in AAA. Those are the best guys so how do they comapre to the number 1 pitching prospect and prospect according to Scouts.com who did well in his first season in the majors while being even more impressive in September and October at a younger age than either of the above? Kennedy moved through High A, AA,AAA and the Majors while performing very well at all 4 levels…and Melky is a proven major league player who was hitting over .300 and playing solid defense before running out of gas in september.
This is why you cannot just put numbers on prospects and say 4 of the top 8 prospects and compare that to the Yankees top prospects because the individual players have accomplished more and higher levels.
IF anything I could see Cashman saying this is proof WHY we shouldnt have to give up all those guys and we can offer a similar deal to what Arizona gave with prospects with similar skill sets and similar imor league accomplishments and still get this deal done without Phil Hughes. The Age factor here is very important…While Gonzalez was number 3 on scouts.com at age 22 and Tabata is 14th at 19 years old the talent levels and accomplishments make them offer similar value…IMO.
“Count your blessings they didn’t get Big Sloppi in the last sweep. Only a matter of time.”
Really? So you are counting on suspensions from these findings?
“gunther toody-car 54
Another win like getting Gagne? Take your crystal ball out to be calibrated.”
—LMAO. Showin your baseball knowledge if you are comparing Gagne and Johan. I think a more appropriate comparison is us landing Beckett.
gunther toody- car 54
Over pay?
You mean like Bronson Arroyo for W. M. Pena?
Cla Meredith and Josh Bard for Doug Mirabelli?
Freddy Sanchez for Jeff Suppan?
Hows Grabbard doing these in Texas days Gunther Toody?
Gunther Toody car 54
Yeah the Sox are real sheep traders.
Recent history over-paying in ever trade.
Ellsberry and 29 laptops a starting point for Santana.
Then the cheapskates will try to sell him on the beauty of playing in Boston for 13. mil. per season, the whole thing will fall apart.
Maybe they can Mitchell involved to mediate Santana’s salary negotiations. LOL
“You mean like Bronson Arroyo for W. M. Pena?
Cla Meredith and Josh Bard for Doug M
Hows Grabbard doing these in Texas days Gunther Toody?irabelli?”
-You mean Bronson Arroyo? The guy whom was 9-15 with a 4.23 era and a WHIP of 1.40??!!!!!!!
– You mean Clay Meredith who had an era of 3.50 and a WHIP of 1.39 as a 7th inning guy?
– Or maybe you mean Kason Gabbard, the guy whom had an era of 5.58 and a WHIP of 1.56 with Texas?!
Again, you really are showing your baseball smarts. You put Bronson Arroyo, Cla Meredith, and Kason Gabbard in the same discussion as Johan Santana.
Gunther Toody car 54
If you think there will not be more names in time when they bust some of these reputed steroid labs around the USA, you’re living in a dream world.
Big Sloppi released outright by Minn. now he’s a star, and all it took was some Red Sox love and a stint in half-stadium. Yeah, ok.
Gunther
How did W. M. Pena work out in a trade for a starting pitcher? Boston could have gotten much more as Arroyo’s value was much higher than Pena at the time.
“Gunther Toody car 54
If you think there will not be more names in time when they bust some of these reputed steroid labs around the USA, you’re living in a dream world.
Big Sloppi released outright by Minn. now he’s a star, and all it took was some Red Sox love and a stint in half-stadium. Yeah, ok.”
– Ummm, ok, but even if he were, what will be done. PEDitte isn’t going to be suspended, neither is anyone else. What would Papi’s or Marioano’s outing do?
The timing would be perfect for Santana to join the NYY. The current roster has most of its key players in the 33-35 year old range, its catcher (37) and closer (38) even older.
3/5s of the starting rotation has less than 16 MLB starts.
That said, I agree that Cashman can’t give up both Hughes AND IPK with 2 other prospects.
If I’m Bill Smith, I keep Santana and make a run at the AL Central until July, then explore trades or give Santana (depending on his 2008 performance up to A.S. break) his due.
It gives the Twins time to further evaluate Hughes or IPK and Ellsbury or Lester during their 2008 MLB performance and attract other trading partners for Santana’s services.
And there will be other interested parties even with Santana’s huge salary demands – unless he gets off to a miserable 2008 start, which is unlikely.
Gunther
The Sox overpaid in all those trades. How did Gagne work out? Oh he’s gone I forgot. What would Grabbard be worth today? Maybe a Minn. chip for Santana.
How’s Josh Bard doing? Is Mirabelli still on the team?
“How did W. M. Pena work out in a trade for a starting pitcher? ”
Lousy.
We only won 1 World Series instead of 2 since his departure.
“Gunther
The Sox overpaid in all those trades. How did Gagne work out? Oh he’s gone I forgot. What would Grabbard be worth today? Maybe a Minn. chip for Santana.”
Again, look at his minor league stats and his major league stats and tell me how big of a chip he would be?
Gunther
Yeah Mariano at 185 lbs looks suspect. He was never a flop like Big Sloppi was in Minn was though. How’s Lowe doing?
“How’s Josh Bard doing? Is Mirabelli still on the team?”
He’s doin OK.
Mirabelli was brought back as a personal catcher and Wake won 17 games.
Do you think having Bard instead of Mirabelli would’ve resulted in playoffs for Boston in 2006? I don’t.
Gunther
Grabbard would be in a real big chip for Santana in a package with Lester, and Coco. For sure. That’s laughable.
“Yeah Mariano at 185 lbs looks suspect. He was never a flop like Big Sloppi was in Minn was though. ”
Look at many of the guys who’ve been suspended for ‘roid use, they aren’t huge.
Again, please do a little research before you post such dreck.
How’d Wake do this year with his personal trainer Dougie boy? Boy wouldn’t be nice having bard on the roster now? But he’s gone.
“Grabbard would be in a real big chip for Santana in a package”
PLLLEEEEAAAASSSSEEEEE explain this.
His minor league stats were very pedestrian just as his major league stats are.
If you had any real baseball knowledge, you would know that Lowrie, Masterson, Kalish, and even Bowden are all bigger chips than Gabbard.
“How’d Wake do this year with his personal trainer Dougie boy?”
-He won 17 games. Bard tried to catch him and was very unsuccessful.
Gunther toody
See any early pictures or baseball cards of your boy David Arias when he was young before HGH?
Looks much different, much smaller except for the big bucket head.
http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/2007/12/this_just_in_1.html
Why are you dodging my question Corky?
Please explain to me why Kason Gabbard is a big prospect.
Gunther Toody
My mistake he was 17-12, I like Wakefield, won’t knock him, but Boston has a habit for overpaying, which you can’t deny. Although you’re very defensive about.
Gunther Toody
I said Grabbard was a possible trading chip, if you had hung onto him but instead wasted on Gagne who is gone. It is the truth. You could have packaged him with those other two lemons Crisp and Lester. What a great package.
Gunther
Take a look at bucket head David Arias as a rookie. Hmmmmm something smells here.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1997-Ultra-David-Arias-Ortiz-Rookie-518-PSA-10_W0QQitemZ270196730290QQihZ017QQcategoryZ55873QQcmdZViewItem
hmmm.. we are back in the johan sweepstakes..
fantastic..
giving up the farm!
” but Boston has a habit for overpaying, which you can’t deny. Although you’re very defensive about.”
No, we haven’t.
I just gave you the numbers for Meredith, Gabbard, and Arroyo since they’ve left, the are lousy.
How about the Varitek + Lowe for Heathcliff Slocumb trade?
How about Lowell and Beckett for Ramirez and Sanchez trade?
How about the Schilling for Lyon, De la Rosa, Fossum, and Goss trade?
How about the Dave Roberts for Henri Staley trade?
Haren is relatively cheap and tied up for a couple of years. A Santana trade would be about getting him for one year and a window to negotiate an enormous extension (7 yr $20 million per). Mn is going to have to come to grips with the notion that they may not get a “Haren” package for Santana.
If I were the Twinkees I’d hold him till the season starts and make a run with Liriano or look to move him as teams get desperate as July 31 approaches. If he leaves as a FA they know the Yankees will be in it hard next year with the Sawx, the Angels, Detroit The Mets and maybe Detroit. They’d get a #1 from any any of those teams and the supplemental pick. There’s just too much explaining they’d have to do if they move him right now to both fans and angry tax payers unless they can get a kings ransom which I don’t think is coming. If they get a huge package fine do it. I think there may be too much going against it however to make that happen
Gunther Toody
David Arias a rookie in 1997 sure got big didn’t he?
Please exaplin why Gabbard is a big prospect.
Gunther Toody
You see the David Arias rookie card? Click on it for full size. What a trim guy, looks different from ten years ago, kind of like Jason Giambi’s rookie card or Barry Bonds.
What a transformation, must be the chowda.
“You mean Bronson Arroyo? The guy whom was 9-15 with a 4.23 era and a WHIP of 1.40??!!!!!!!”
Yeah, NYPD113, that pales in comparision to Dice K who put up such “glorious” numbers: 15-13, with a 4.40 ERA and 1.32 WHIP with a Team that won 96 games!
BTW, any good specials at Dunkin Donuts today?
Look anybody who things Kason Gabbard was a trade chip is a joke. Gabbarad and Murphy were nobodies and still are nobodies. If Minnesota was willing to consider Gabbard as a chip in any Santana trade then the Yankees are in worse shape than we can imagine. Because that would mean that every team baseball believes the Red Sox prospect crap actually is any good. The Yankees are already in enough trouble when the Twins actually think Lester is an equal to Hughes and Crisp in an equal to Melky.
Please explain why Gabbard is a big prospect.
Gunther Toody
All the trades you mention from the previous ownership group. This group is inept.
103 mil for a pitcher who can’t pitch on the road or get past the 5th inning.
This group, 143 mil the most ever spent to buy the WS.
“Yeah, NYPD113, that pales in comparision to Dice K who put up such “glorious” numbers: 15-13, with a 4.40 ERA and 1.32 WHIP with a Team that won 96 games!”
Makes no sense.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
He was saying how bad of a trade the Arroyo for WMP trade was. My argument is that both of these players were disappointments.
Gunther Toody
You have a comprehension problem, not good for a cop, probably why you got let go.
I said Grabbard would be a good trading chip if still board.
Your take on Big Sloppi’s rookie card?
“This group, 143 mil the most ever spent to buy the WS.”
I’d rather have the team with the highest payroll to win the WS thean the SEVEN largest payrolls ever to LOSE the World Series.
Gunther toddy
103 mil for a fat toad. Yeah we know he’ll be better next season.
“I said Grabbard would be a good trading chip if still board.”
And I asked you why. Why would he be a good trading chip? His numbers stink and he’s never been projected any more than a back of the rotation journeyman.
What makes this so appealing to Minny.
Please expalin.
Gunther
I guess 2 in 90 years is a decent record Even is the last was the most expensive of all time.
“I said Grabbard would be a good trading chip if still board.”
And I asked you why? Why would he be a good trading chip? His numbers stink and he’s never been projected any more than a back of the rotation journeyman.
What makes this so appealing to Minny.
Please expalin.
Gunther
Simple, look at the trash they’re being offered now Coco and Lester. Leaky Pete Gammons could throw in a 5th round high schooler with Grabbard to get the trade done.
“I said Grabbard would be a good trading chip if still board.”
And I asked you why? Why would he be a good trading chip? His numbers stink and he’s never been projected any more than a back of the rotation journeyman.
What makes this so appealing to Minny.
Please explain.
Gunther
Did you look at David Arias? Suspect? Got awful big.
Did you look at David Arias? Suspect? Got awful big.
—Not really, about the same. No bigger than Jeter got since his rookie year, or Arod.
So about gabbard being a big prospect, please enlighten me.
Why do you people continue to engage with this NTPD moron?
Ignore him and let him choke on his own vomit. He’s here to get a rise out of Yankee fans and nothing more.
why is everyone talking about gabbard?
lets talk about me taking roids.
“Why do you people continue to engage with this NTPD moron?
Ignore him and let him choke on his own vomit. He’s here to get a rise out of Yankee fans and nothing more.”
SSHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
I’m lovin this.
So ThaWasMe…........tell me why Gabbard is a big prospect?
Giuseppe,
I agree. Just wanted to expose him for the nitwit that he is. I did,I’m done.
So Long Gunther.
“Giuseppe,
I agree. Just wanted to expose him for the nitwit that he is. I did,I’m done.
So Long Gunther.”
LMAO!!!!
Yankee fans, please go back and look at the genius from one of your own….Mr. ThatWas Me!
So I guess you’ll just dodge my question and admit you were wrong.
David Arias/Ortiz rookie card 1997
click photo to enlarge, what a joke.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1997-Ultra-David-Arias-Ortiz-Rookie-518-PSA-10_W0QQitemZ270196730290QQihZ017QQcategoryZ55873QQcmdZViewItem
Do not trade Matsui! This is the guy who took out a newspaper ad to APOLOGIZE to the fans when he hurt his wrist.
He has as much class, respect, and dignity than anyone else in MLB and he WANTS to be a Yankee.
Give him the benefit of the doubt that he is still a solid hitter when healthy. It’s not like he’s on the books for 5 seasons.
The Yankees are a very popular team around the world and certainly in Japan. Trading Matsui could be the first step in giving up some of that ‘international market share’. Whether you like it or not, Matsui is bigger than just ‘one more player’.
http://www.homeruncards.com/rookiecards/derek-jeter-rookie-card.shtml
Post about Yanks regarding Sanatana/Prior. I kinda like the Prior idea for 1-year! Then we could sign Johan as a FA next offseason! ha
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2007/12/15/yanks-still-talking-about-santana-interested-in-prior/
Okay, I have 10 minutes to kill so I’ll play along…
Jeter was 18 years old in the picture on his rookie card, Papi was 22 in the picture on his rookie card.
ThatWasMe
December 15th, 2007 at 9:57 am
gunther toody
NYPD113th
December 15th, 2007 at 9:36 am
What a win-win situation.
Either A) Boston gets the best pitcher in baseball or B) Hanky implodes and over pays for Santana.
Count your blessings they didn’t get Big Sloppi in the last sweep. Only a matter of time.
_
This idiot is more of The Barney Fife Of Manhattan. A glorified jailer. The desk sergeant allows him to take out his bullet once a month to shine it up for parades.
An interesting article:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071214/COL22/712140419/1050/SPORTS
and my comment:
Once again Chosenberg has written a good column.
In fact if you take together the two key points made, namely the obvious conflict of interest in choosing the lying SOB Mitchell and that this is the tip of the iceberg, you come to the conclusion that Selig should be fired or jailed or both.
Hiring an obvious partisan for a so-called impartial investigation almost guaranteed that nothing new would turn up and it didn’t.
The charging of $20 million for what a couple of reporters could do in a few days proves that this was a bribe for a cover up.
By not consulting the union, Selig guaranteed to infuriate the union and the players making it harder to get anything accomplished afterwards, while having someone to blame.
nypd113-
“Amid the furor over steroid use by superstar athletes like baseball’s Jose Canseco and Jason Giambi, another story is quietly unfolding in small towns and big cities across America—cops on steroids.”
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/US/story?id=775659&page=1
since you were an insider as a cop, what’s your position on rampant steroid use among cops?
Varitek baffled
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1050929
NYPD113
“Hindsight is 20/20” has nothing to do with my response to you.
You chose to minimize Bronson Arroyo’s acomplishments saying that he was a “disappointment”. In 2006 Arroyo won 14 games with a medicore Reds Team, put up a solid 3.29 ERA and 1.18 WHIP.
His 2007 ERA of 4.23 is well below the League Average ERA of 4.66. How is this a “disappointment”? I guess the BoSox couldn’t have used him in their starting rotation, huh?
All for Wily Mo Pena, who had 2 miserable seasons in the AL and finally was unloaded to the Nationals for some B-level prospect!
Not a bad trade for Boston? What are you smokin???
The price is too high at this point, lets just keep the kids and go with what we got. Andy isn’t getting suspended on one person’s testimony (I hope).
Andy is accused of using HGH in 2002 which is before MLB even had a policy on it. He’s not getting suspended.
why are people discussing Boston’s trade history on a Yankee blog !!!!
Ignore Sox fans…do not respond to them…they will go away …and we can focus on Yankee business.
Yankee fans actually believe this troll will agree with your arguments…LOL
The difference is that Santana wants a monster contract. That brings down the price! Plus, I don’t think that giving a pitcher 7 years @ $20 million is the way to go. If he wants 4 or 5 years, that’s a different story. We have been burned before in these situations. Brown, Johnson, Vazques, Pavano, and others.
“The difference is that Santana wants a monster contract. That brings down the price! Plus, I don’t think that giving a pitcher 7 years @ $20 million is the way to go. If he wants 4 or 5 years, that’s a different story. We have been burned before in these situations. Brown, Johnson, Vazques, Pavano, and others.”
—The question you have to ask yourself Thomas is….Are the possible accomplishments and success that Johan Santana can bring you in years 1-5 worth the possibility of disappointments for years 6 and 7?
Also, the pitchers you name are no way near the level of a Johan Santana.
“since you were an insider as a cop, what’s your position on rampant steroid use among cops?”
-Those that test positive for them should be suspended. Those in possession of them should be arrested.
“This idiot is more of The Barney Fife Of Manhattan. A glorified jailer. The desk sergeant allows him to take out his bullet once a month to shine it up for parades.”
Ummmmm…....ok? lol
“why are people discussing Boston’s trade history on a Yankee blog !!!!”
Because I’m sick of: (a) repeating the same old Santana trade baloney and (b) discussing, ad nauseum, the foolishness of the Mitchell Report!
Those that test positive for them should be suspended. Those in possession of them should be arrested.” nypd113thso how many of your fellow officers did you arrest for suspected steroid use?
“so how many of your fellow officers did you arrest for suspected steroid use?”
—You cannot arrest someone for “suspected steroid use”.
Latham Joe
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/news/top50/y2008/
here is something for you to talk about. MiLB released the top 50 prospects in baseball. There are 3 yankees on the list. They asked 20 scouts in order to compile the list.
Lets discuss what Yankees are missing from the list…anything is better then getting baited by a Sox fan
NYPD113th
December 15th, 2007 at 11:44 am
“This idiot is more of The Barney Fife Of Manhattan. A glorified jailer. The desk sergeant allows him to take out his bullet once a month to shine it up for parades.”
Ummmmm…….ok? lol
_
Prove that I’m wrong. According to George Mitchell, the only proof needed is an accusation.
“Prove that I’m wrong.”
Prove waht wrong?
I was laughing at your statement.
There’s a hold up in the Bronx,
Brooklyn’s broken out in fights.
There’s a traffic jam in Harlem
That’s backed up to Jackson Heights.
There’s a scout troup short a child,
Kruschev’s due at Idlewild
Car 54, Where Are You?
(musical interlude)
There’s a hold up in the Bronx,
Brooklyn’s broken out in fights.
There’s a traffic jam in Harlem
That’s backed up to Jackson Heights.
There’s a scout troup short a child,
Kruschev’s due at Idlewild
Car 54, Where Are You?
east side yankee
December 15th, 2007 at 11:54 am
Latham Joe
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/news/top50/y2008/
here is something for you to talk about. MiLB released the top 50 prospects in baseball. There are 3 yankees on the list. They asked 20 scouts in order to compile the list.
Lets discuss what Yankees are missing from the list…anything is better then getting baited by a Sox fan
Injuries would keep Tabata, Melancon,Sanchez and Betances off of that list. There could be two or three more when they start adding the signees like Sublett, Montero and Suttle to the lists. None have played above half season rookie ball.
I think we should only refer tp nypd as one of the characters from car 54.
NYPD113
“– You cannot arrest someone for “suspected steroid use”.”
No, but you try and convict them in the court of public opinion, which is what Senator McCarthy… ooops I mean Senator Mitchell’s report does.
Jennifer,call the station house and tell them we’ve found the child. Says his name is NYPD113th. No lasr name given, but, going on the assumption that it’s Idiot.
GreenBeret7
I used to love watching that show, it was on reruns of course. Is it on anywhere now?
If they want more than we offered before then I dont want any part of a Santana deal. Honestly I feel like this deal opens it up more for the Mets who can offer 6 prospects to them.
I think the squad car they used in Car-54 is smarter than this clown.
GreenBeret 7:
I agree but I think that even with the wrist injury Tabata should be on the list. He more than held his own in a league known for pitching.
Once again, I think Beane got nothing in exchange for Haren. It should help any team trying to trade for Santana
“No, but you try and convict them in the court of public opinion, which is what Senator McCarthy… ooops I mean Senator Mitchell’s report does.”
—OK, but that wasn’t the question that was asked.
I just wonder how adamant you’d be about this report if it didn’t implicate so many of your teams’ players.
No to Santana the cost in money and players will be way way to costly..
NO NO NO
yankees have a stacked farm system.
I’ve seen it a couple of time, Jennifer. I used to watch it when it was first broadcast. I’m guessing if TV-Land can acquire all of the kinescopes from CBS or whoever has them, it’ll show up, there. I’m going to do a quick search for it. Two of the characters ended up on the Munsters…Fred Gwynn (Herman/Francis Muldoon) and Al Lewis (Grandpa/not sure of the character name on Car-54).
Gianthinker:
If the Yankees can get away with offering a bunch of A ball prospects like the Diamondbacks gave to the As, they can easily come up with 6 players to give to the twins w/out having to give them Hughes, Jackson, or Chamberlain
“so how many of your fellow officers did you arrest for suspected steroid use?”
– You cannot arrest someone for “suspected steroid use”.-nypd113th
so how many investigations did you initiate on your fellow officers that you suspected of steroid use?
NYPD113
Wanna hear implication?
Associated Press Sports
updated 9:03 p.m. ET, Thurs., Dec. 13, 2007
BOSTON – The Boston Red Sox suspected relievers Brendan Donnelly and Eric Gagne of using performance-enhancing drugs but acquired them anyway, according to the Mitchell Report.
Donnelly, an All-Star in 2003, was acquired in a trade from the Los Angeles Angels last offseason.
“He was a juice guy but his velocity hasn’t changed a lot over the years … If he was a juice guy, he could be a breakdown candidate,’’ Zack Scott of the Red Sox baseball operations staff wrote of Donnelly in a Dec. 13, 2006, e-mail.
Kyle Evans of the baseball operations staff responded: “I haven’t heard many good things about him, w(ith) significant steroid rumors.’’
Boston didn’t sign Gagne as a free agent, but they got the ‘03 NL Cy Young-winner at the midsummer trading deadline.
In a Nov. 1, 2006, e-mail to Red Sox scout Mark Delpiano, general manager Theo Epstein asked, “Have you done any digging on Gagne? I know the Dodgers think he was a steroid guy. Maybe so. What do you hear on his medical?’’
The scout responded, “Some digging on Gagne and steroids IS the issue. Has had a checkered medical past throughout career including minor leagues. ... Mentality without the plus weapons and without steroid help probably creates a large risk in bounce back durability and ability to throw average while allowing the changeup to play as it once did.’’
So in other words, the Red Sox KNEW they were acquiring 2 cheaters, but went ahead and got them anyways. In any of the Yankees World Series are tainted,then so isnt the 2007 Red Roids.
“so how many investigations did you initiate on your fellow officers that you suspected of steroid use?”
Police officers take reports and whatnot, detectives “initiate investigations”. If you catch a person in possession of a controlled substance then you can arrest.
My precinct was a total ghetto, almost no cops live within the confines. CO’s, yes.
To: NYPD113th
Report immediately to Starret City of a psych evaluation.
“So in other words, the Red Sox KNEW they were acquiring 2 cheaters, but went ahead and got them anyways. In any of the Yankees World Series are tainted,then so isnt the 2007 Red Roids.”
Actually it sounds like they acquired two guys that may have cheated.
You seem to deem the Mitchell Report a total fraud because there’s only hearsay against guys on YOUR team.
YET, you deem Donnelly and Gagne cheaters because of not even hearsay of use, but hearsay of concern.
Funny how your opinion is molded by the uniform.
Report immediately to Starret City of a psych evaluation.
Lefrak is closer
Al Lewis (Grandpa on the Munsters) played Officer Leo Schnauser on Car-54.
“so how many investigations did you initiate on your fellow officers that you suspected of steroid use?”
Police officers take reports and whatnot, detectives “initiate investigations”nypd113th
so how many reports on your fellow officers suspected of steroid use did you turn in to detectives?
“so how many reports on your fellow officers suspected of steroid use did you turn in to detectives?”
There is no report to be taken for “suspected steroid use”. You take a report if a crime has been committed.
If you were a real police officer you’d know that the evidence is circumstantial on just every player except the ones who’s names appeared on checks.
Too bad Al Lewis passed on. Even a fellow fake cop,he knew more about the law than you.
Rumor has it there’s a 2 for 1 doughnut sale at the virtual Dunkin Donuts over at Sons of Sam Horn. Please take your phony act over there?
If you were a real police officer you’d know that the evidence is circumstantial on just every player except the ones who’s names appeared on checks.
—-Please tell me where I said the evidence was not “circumstantial”. Again, you are hearing what you want to hear.
Can he tell us where the 113th is?
How about Matsui to the Angels for Ervin Santana then Santana, Hughes, and Cabrera to the Twins for Johann Santana? While Santana went 7-14 with a 5.76 ERA this year in 26 GS, he turns only 25 on January 10, struck out 126 in 150 IP, fell 2 IP shy of averaging 6 innings a start, and made only $425K this year. He also won 16 games the year before and 12 in his rookie season. If that isn’t good enough for Minnesota, see ya and good luck getting any two from Ellsbury, Bucholz, and Lester from Boston (they won’t get 2). Kiss getting anyone for Santana goodbye if he isn’t traded before pitchers and catchers report to camp (I can’t see him allowing a trade once s.t. begins).
The Angels would get a veteran lefthanded DH who could play some LF if needed in Matsui who I can’t see balking at a move to a team that just won 94 games, will win their division again, and is closer to Japan. Their rotation would be Lackey/ Escobar/ (Jerid) Weaver/ Saunders/ Moseley assuming they don’t make a move with it and if they did, it would be even stronger. They could always re-sign Bartolo Colon who’d be a fool to leave a team that just won 94 games. That division outside of the Angels is a joke with Haren gone from the A’s. None of the teams after L.A. are finishing at or above .500 including Seattle who overachieved and got the last good year out of 36-37 year old Miguel Batista who I don’t see repeating or bettering his ‘07. The Angels will win the A.L. West again next year thus will need a hitter (Matsui) more than a #4 starter (Santana) for the postseason. If they kept Colon, their A.L.D.S. rotation would be Lackey/ Escobar/ Weaver/ Colon
(or the front three if they went with just them).
The Twins rotation could be Silva re-signed/ Liriano/ Hughes/ Santana/ Baker, Slowey, or Bonzer. They get their new CF and leadoff hitter (Melky). They could always bring back Eric Milton who had a decent career with them and is a free agent.
“Rumor has it there’s a 2 for 1 doughnut sale at the virtual Dunkin Donuts”
WOW, a donut joke. How hurtful. LOL
“There is no report to be taken for “suspected steroid use”. You take a report if a crime has been committed.”
so when you suspected steroid use of a fellow officer because of all the obvious visual signs, what did you do?
Can he tell us where the 113th is?
—167-02 Baisley Blvd located in BEAUTIFUL South Jamaica, Queens 11434
In between Merrick Blvd and Guy R Brewer Blvd on the south side of the street
Josh Hamilton is on the block, if Cabrera gets traded, he could be acquired to play CF.