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Hot stove mailbag No. 3

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 17, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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Don writes: Do you think that the Mitchell report, which names prominent Yankees such as Clemens, Justice and Pettitte, tarnishes the validity of the great Yankee championship teams in the era of 1996-2000?

Answer: Not a bit. The Mitchell Report named but a small number of the players who were using PEDs during that time. Mitchell got lucky that Kirk Radomski and Brian McNamee fell into his lap. There are dozens of other players out there who dodged a bullet.

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Michael writes: What do you think about a guy like Mike Mussina (assuming he has been steroid free throughout his career) and making the Hall of Fame? He’s won 250 games during an era when lots were juicing. If the Mitchell Report is, in fact, true, how can a guy like Mike Mussina not make the HOF?

Answer: Wouldn’t it be something if the Moose made Cooperstown ahead of Roger Clemens? As somebody who will have a vote when Mussina is eligible, I’ll take a look at him in that context.

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Kevin writes: It seems like Andy Pettitte has been crucified and from the Mitchell Report it sounds like he only used one cycle when he was on the DL. Isn’t HGH available by prescription by a doctor for faster healing? When was HGH actually banned in the MLB? What are your thoughts because I feel that Andy, while wrong in obtaining HGH in an underhanded method, the label “cheater” might be harsh.

Answer: I’m glad you wrote so I can clear up some popular misconceptions. HGH is not approved for that kind of use and, in fact, doesn’t seem to help heal injuries. It also is banned by MLB, along with the use of any other prescription drugs without a prescription. Andy was flat-out wrong and broke the rules. Whether you consider him a cheater is your call.

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Khoa writes: What’s Steve Swindal been up to these days now that the Steinbrenner boys are running the show? Is he out of the organization? And is there some form of a non-disclosure agreement to protect an MLB team when someone high up in the organization leaves after learning its trade secrets?

Answer: He’s out of the organization and probably spends every day wondering how he lost his grip on a billion-dollar empire. I don’t know that there is any sort of formal non-disclosure agreement but I doubt he would do anything to harm the Yankees.

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Shane writes: Do you think with Joe Girardi at the helm Chien-Ming Wang will throw more complete games a la Brandon Webb? I think he could be a monster if they just let him pitch. I hope to see my question answered in your mail bag!

Answer: I don’t think complete games are that important. Wang’s job is to pitch into the seventh or eighth inning. Unless he’s around 90 pitches and the game is close, what is the point of having him go nine innings? You want a starter to give you 200+ innings and 33 or 34 starts, not get complete games. Often times, going nine innings wears a pitcher out for his next start.

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Jess writes: Since Andy Phillips is gone and Big G isn’t an everyday first baseman, how about getting Tony Clark back for some part-time duty and some pop off the bench?

Answer: I’m not sure the Yankees need another 1B wiith Shelley Duncan and Wilson Betemit around. That said, Tony Clark is one of the best guys in the game and it would be great for the Yankees to have him around. But they don’t need him.

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Jeff writes: Just wondering if the Yanks have considered moving Hideki Matsui to first base? I know that they don’t need yet another option there, but I have heard that he played there before he was on the Giants.

Answer: I don’t see it. Matsui has been an outfielder most of his career and all of his career with the Yankees. I think you’d see Johnny Damon there before Godzilla.

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Steve writes: With the injuries that stole a lot of innings from Phil Hughes 2007 season, do you know why the Yankees didn’t send him to play at least another few weeks in Hawaii or other winter league? It seemed like he was getting back to full strength in September and October, so he could have used the additional innings to build up his arm and work on his change up.

Answer: The Hawaii Winter League is for prospects, not major leaguers. Perhaps Hughes could have used some starts in the Dominican League. But he ended on a good note and the Yankees probably wanted him to work on staying healthy.

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David Chase writes: I have a question about the media perception of Giambi. Every time a reporter mentions the Yankees 1B situation, they seem to trash Giambi’s defense. He makes great scoops on marginal throws, and fields everything hit his way. I know he throws poorly, but as a first-baseman, those opportunities are limited. Why all the hating on Giambi’s D?

Answer: If this is David Chase of Sopranos fame, I have a question for you. Did Tony die? As for The Big G, his range is about a foot either way and he invariably suffers an injury of some sort if he plays in the field on a regular basis. He does have good hands but the ball has to be right in front of him.

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Jamme writes: With the latest Yankee roster issues, why can’t the Yankees send some of their young players who still have options remaining down to the minors to make room for other players?

Answers: Options apply only to how many times a player can be sent from the 25-man roster back to the minors. A player can only be taken off the 40-man roster by release or trade or retirement.

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Howard writes: So why exactly did the Yanks cut Doug Mientkiewicz loose?

Answer: Minkly has had a hard time staying healthy in recent years and is a lefty hitter, something the Yankees are overloaded with. They seem pretty determined to give Shelley Duncan a shot or perhaps Wilson Betemit.

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Jennifer writes: Off-topic, what is the best Springsteen show you have seen?

Answer: Excellent question. July 1, 2000 at Madison Square Garden. It was the final show of the E Street Band Reunion Tour and the last night of a 10-show run at MSG. I attended eight of the shows but the last one was the best. I was in the fifth row from the stage and they did Lost In The Flood for the first time in several decades. The set list was just about perfect. I just got tickets for July 31 at Giants Stadium.

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Eddie writes: Pete, what do baseball writers do in the winter?

Answer: You been paying attention, bro? The Yankees dumped a manager, hired a manager, signed four prominent free agents, engaged in trade talks for Johan Santana and got a bunch of guys mentioned in the Mitchell Report. I’ve been busier than I was during the season. I’ll be on vacation for the next two weeks and then January is sort of a down time unless there is big news. But I’ll update the blog whenever I can.

Thanks to everybody who wrote in.

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76 Responses to “Hot stove mailbag No. 3”

  1. Dewey December 17th, 2007 at 2:03 am

    These are really cool to read, thanks for posting them.

    I think its really cool that you go see the Boss so much. All my friends think I am crazy for the amount of shows I go to when Im not chasing the Yankees in the Northeast.

    Enjoy your 2 weeks!

  2. Travis December 17th, 2007 at 6:56 am

    Am I the only one who remembers how awful Tony Clark looked in clutch situations in the 2003 series where the Yankees led the Red Sox 3-0? He came up time and time again and did nothing. A single here or there would have won the series. I am convinced the Yankees would not have lost that series had John Olerud, playing first, not been injured. But I’m glad Tony Clark, in terms of being a nice guy, is the Wil Nieves of his time.

  3. BBFan December 17th, 2007 at 7:31 am

    “The Yankees dumped a manager”

    Pete,
    your man crush on Torre is unbeleivable.
    At every given opportunity, you unfairly unload on the yankees. Given how politically correct you want to look in the Andy Pettitte case, is it that difficult for you to understand that Torre resigned and he should have been fired long back? Whether you accept it or not Yankees made a fair offer to Torre, given his lack of success in the post season for six years. Jesus… You can not speak from both sides of your mouth as EJ Fagan said and you all worked up against his statement.

  4. Karma December 17th, 2007 at 7:34 am

    Oh, don’t remind me of 2004.

    was that the epitome of a bad team or what.

    Vazquez, Lieber, Brown, Contreras.

    Cairo and Wilson at 2nd!!

    Giambi played 75 games that year.

    Rubin Sierra and Lofton.

    Gawd! Sure we had ARod and Shef, but how did we win 101 games with those starters and those holes in the line-up??

  5. Kevin December 17th, 2007 at 7:34 am

    David Chase is either kidding or insane. I disagree with your response on several counts. His range is zero – not a foot to either side. Good hands? I don’t think he could pick his nose competently. Did you ever see him try to throw. The Earth’s gravitational pull near Jason, sucks everything straight down. The thing I don’t understand is how he can be so bad when this is all he’s done his entire life. I truly believe I could put my pencil and eraser down, run over to the Stadium, and play a better first base than Jason G – and maybe even with the glove on the wrong hand.

  6. Faiaz (Chamberlain & the mound-hunks) December 17th, 2007 at 8:10 am

    Michael Kay ALWAYS tells the story of how since the A’s foul territory was large, Giambi had to get accustomed to make those scoops. I probably heard Kay tell that story like 93 times.

  7. Lamar December 17th, 2007 at 8:15 am

    John Sickels- Yankees top 20 prospects

    http://www.minorleagueball.com...../14218/226

    Joba Chamberlain, RHP, Grade A
    Jose Tabata, OF, Grade B+
    Ian Kennedy, RHP, Grade B+
    Alan Horne, RHP, Grade B
    Austin Jackson, OF, Grade B-
    Bradley Suttle, 3B, Grade B-
    Dellin Betances, RHP, Grade B-
    Austin Romine, C, Grade B- (hate grading guys who haven’t played yet, could be C+)
    Jesus Montero, C, Grade C+ (borderline B-)
    Dan McCutchen, RHP, Grade C+
    Brett Gardner, OF, Grade C+
    Damon Sublett, 2B, Grade C+ (love this guy)
    Andrew Brackman, RHP, Grade C+ (could slot anywhere from 9 to 20 depending on what you want to emphasize)
    Jeffrey Marquez, RHP, Grade C+
    George Kontos, RHP, Grade C+
    Kevin Whelan, RHP, Grade C+ (check those K/IP and H/IP, but command?)
    Frank Cervelli, C, Grade C+ (great glove, bat?)
    David Robertson, RHP, Grade C+ (stunning numbers)
    Jairo Heredia, RHP, Grade C+
    Zach McAllister, RHP, Grade C+

  8. Mo December 17th, 2007 at 8:22 am

    Sickels did a bad job, especially after he overated some Red Sox prospects over anything I have seen from anyone.
    Too Low, Grade-wise – Ian, AJAX, Horne, Montero, Betances, Cervelli, and Heredia. And where are Sanchez and Melancon?
    Too High- Suttle, Romine, Sublett, maybe Gardner.

  9. StandingO'Neil December 17th, 2007 at 8:43 am

    Can anyone answer this question for me, or direct me to where I can find an answer….

    “Do people with season tickets get offered tickets for the all-star game or are they in the same boat as anyone else?”

  10. Mo December 17th, 2007 at 8:54 am

    Same boat as everyone else.

  11. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 17th, 2007 at 8:58 am

    Just to remind everyone there was no world series in 2004 or 2007. For some reason it wasn’t played.

    Faiaz- I think it was probably 10,000 times, just like everytime we see Kevin Meche he mentions that he has the biggest head in baseball.

  12. frankd December 17th, 2007 at 9:14 am

    Pete,
    I was wondering if you liked Springsteen?

  13. james December 17th, 2007 at 9:15 am

    John Sickels must be red sox fan what riduculus grades for the sox and Yankees

  14. frits December 17th, 2007 at 9:25 am

    this guy vacations more than george w. at the ranch.

  15. Jim Clark December 17th, 2007 at 9:27 am

    Question: Why did the Yankees drop Mientkiewicz? Correct answer: He stinks. He went 0 for 6 in the postseason with a walk. A great glove at first can’t compensate for that kind of lousy hitting.

    The Yankees dump their manager??? Abraham lies like a politician here. The Yankees offered him a slightly better deal than he asked for in the spring (read Jon Heyman’s SI web article dated October 23). Torre had enough contacts that he knew Grady Little would get shoved out the door (David wells, my kind of juiced athlete, couldn’t save his job with a 4-1 run down the stretch) and Torre was moving out west to the coast because a 67 year old man can’t live on a one year $5 million offer, plus a $1.8 million advance for a book.

    Choosing great Springsteen shows is like choosing between Witasick, Wohlers, Ramirez, Karsay and Farnsworthless as best Yankee set up pitcher of the 21st century.

    Pettitte broke the rules and lied, that is true. But is HGH
    really ineffective? Why do so many athletes try to use it if it doesn’t help..are they all gullible? Steve Jacobson of “Newsday” once had a story related to him by an Olympic athlete of the early 1970s (Al Oerter, I think). The coaches were lecturing the athletes “don’t use steroids, they are placebos, they don’t do anything for you and can harm you”. The weight lifters in the back were showing pictures to each other of themselves before and after steroids and rolling on the floor with laughter at their coaches stupidity (and those coaches were stupid if you know anything about the 1972 Munich Olympics besides the horror of the terrorists and Olga Korbut).

  16. hmmm December 17th, 2007 at 9:37 am

    “Am I the only one who remembers how awful Tony Clark looked in clutch situations in the 2003 series where the Yankees led the Red Sox 3-0? He came up time and time again and did nothing. A single here or there would have won the series”

    in fairness to Clark, he also would have won the series if his game 5 double doesn’t bounce over the wall in the 9th inning.

  17. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 17th, 2007 at 9:49 am

    And in fairness to him, they should have awarded the runner at second (?) home. I can’t recall did Joe argue that fact? Since the runner def would have scored. :cry:

  18. Jeremy December 17th, 2007 at 9:53 am

    I second that there is no room for him on the Yankees right now, but Tony Clark is one of the last people I would blame for 2004.

  19. gayle December 17th, 2007 at 9:56 am

    STanding O’Neill–

    I have partial season tickets and when I called the ticket office last week to ask if there was anything set up for opportunities to buy All Star tikets thy said thatthey did not know yet with regard to partial season ticket holders. HOWEVER I belive that full season ticket holdersds are offered an opportunity to buy a certain number.

    While I had them on the phone I also asked about the new stadium and asked how they were going to work that as well or the folowing year and again they said that they had not been told how that was going to work for partial holders.

  20. Buddy Biancalana December 17th, 2007 at 9:57 am

    Can anyone answer this question for me, or direct me to where I can find an answer….

    “Do people with season tickets get offered tickets for the all-star game or are they in the same boat as anyone else?”

    ————————————————————-

    It depends on what type of season tickets plan you have, a 13 game plan will most likely not entitle you to tickets, however a half season plan or full plan probably will. Maybe there will be a lottery for people with 26 games or less. Call the Yankees season tickets dept. for specific info.

  21. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 17th, 2007 at 9:57 am

    Jeremy While he isn’t one of the first to be blamed, he certainly isn’t one of the last. He came up empty in a lot of clutch situations.

  22. Rob December 17th, 2007 at 9:58 am

    Pete,

    You forgot to say that Minky can’t hit well enough for a 1b, and his upside is non-existent. I think I would take a flier on a prospect that someone else has given up on, especially in a platoon situation. Playing it safe, you are rarely surprised what you get and are often disappointed(Womack, Clemens 2007, etc.).

  23. Boston Dave December 17th, 2007 at 10:09 am

    from SWB Yanks Blog on idea for Yanks rotation:

    “My idea is to use Chien-Ming Wang, Andy Pettitte and Mike Mussina as fulltime starters, with Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy rotating through the rotation. Chamberlain and Hughes would start the first time through the rotation, then Chamberlain and Kennedy, then Hughes and Kennedy, then back to Chamberlain and Hughes. During the five-game stretches when they aren’t a part of the rotation, Chamberlain, Hughes and Kennedy would be available for use once out of the bullpen, pitching no more than two innings.

    If things went perfectly — no injuries, no setbacks, no spot starters — that rotation would leave Wang, Pettitte and Mussina to start 32 games each. Chamberlain, Hughes and Kennedy would start 22. Figure roughly six innings per start, the veteran guys would pitch 192 innings, the younger guys 132. Add in the two innings of relief the 10 times they’re out of the rotation, Chamberlain, Hughes and Kennedy would finish with roughly 152 innings, a fairly reasonable expectation.”

  24. MarkK December 17th, 2007 at 10:18 am

    Yeah, Pete, the 2000 Springsteen would have been great, as that was before his 80th birthday, though I’m not sure when he had to stop using the walker and begin performing from the wheel chair.

    I’m kidding, and I’m also one to talk. I remember The Boss from the ’80s, when he still had his own knees, and I’m touched that you whippersnappers dig our music.

  25. CLIFTON PARK,NY JEFF December 17th, 2007 at 10:19 am

    Boston Dave,

    that rotation could work. However i don’t think IPK is under as tight of an innings watch as the others as he was somewhere in the 150-160′s range this past year.

  26. vrsce December 17th, 2007 at 10:20 am

    THANK YOU PETER,

    You run a first rate site, as well as providing professional analysis and commentary.
    Merry Christmas

  27. M December 17th, 2007 at 10:21 am

    How do you figure that Andy broke the rules by taking HGH in 2002 when it wasn’t banned until 2005 (a convenient little detail you left out while answering Kevin’s question)?

  28. FYI December 17th, 2007 at 10:24 am

    It’s bad enough that Pettitte used HGH, along with steroid use by other players, but reporters should be precise so not to mislead people. Generalizing is misreporting.
    First, off HGH is not a steroid (a nuance, but important)and Pettitte, based on the evidence we know and his statement, only got two injections. Did it help heal him or not, who knows. If you accept the Mitchell report, don’t then question the number of times.

    Second, Major League Baseball’s collective-bargaining agreement did not prohibit the use of HGH until 2005. It’s wrong for Abraham to write, “It also is banned by MLB, along with the use of any other prescription drugs without a prescription.” HGH wasn’t banned back in 2002, when the Mitchell report says Pettitte took two injections (again don’t accept the findings and add, he could have done it for years cause you don’t know)
    And Pettitte may have broke federal law by using HGH without a prescription; the seller too. You can then say if laws were broken, so were MLB rules, but you should qualify your statements and put them in context. A blanket statement that Pettitte broke MLB rules is wrong.

  29. Doreen December 17th, 2007 at 10:27 am

    M -

    There was a rule in baseball at the time that prohibited the use of prescription medications without a prescription. HGH must be prescribed by a physician for one of only 3 purposes: for children with a growth hormone deficiency; for people with compromised immune systems suchs as AIDS/HIV; and for adults with pituitary problems. In that respect, Andy Pettitte broke a rule. No, HGH itself was not a specifically banned substance at the time, but he could not have gotten a prescription for it based on the intended use.

  30. Eddie Layton December 17th, 2007 at 10:30 am

    M – All prescription drugs taken without a prescription were banned by MLB well before 2002. I don’t think receiving HGH under the table from a clubhouse towelboy counts as getting it by prescription. Pettitte broke the rules.

  31. Karma December 17th, 2007 at 10:31 am

    M-

    Andy broke the rules – Mitchell and Selig say CIA Director Bill Belichick has it on film.

  32. FYI December 17th, 2007 at 10:34 am

    M:
    The quick answer to your question: Lazy reporting.
    Also, HGH is differeniated from performance enhancing drugs (see the use of PED in teh first question). One could say using HGH without a prescription violated federal law, therefore MLB rules. If that’s the argument, say so. Don’t make a blanket statement without context, like Abraham did (does)
    Another point, Pettitte was given HGH twice in 2002. That’s not a lot and whether the two doses did much, I don’t know. If you believe the Mitchell report, you can’t go questioning the number of times now.
    You can argue Pettitte was wrong to take HGH, but those views are wonderful in retrospect. And since he took the drug twice, one also can argue he didn’t like the results and he didn’t do it for enhancement.

  33. Karma December 17th, 2007 at 10:40 am

    You know this excuse about needing a prescriptions is a crock. It’s a cheap back-door excuse.

    You need a prescription for most antibiotics.

    Can you imagine suspending a player for using his wife’s amoxicillin to battle a sinus infection.

    How about suspending a player for possession of viagra – sportswriters would be laughing so “hard” over that one.

  34. Mr. & Mrs. Alka Seltzer December 17th, 2007 at 10:42 am

    This entire towelboy / ‘roids / George “Red Sox” Mitchell thing is enough to give anybody an upset stomach.

  35. Karma December 17th, 2007 at 10:45 am

    do you have a prescription for that antacid ??

    I’m sure glad Babe Ruth never drank during Prohibition.

  36. StandingO'Neil December 17th, 2007 at 10:46 am

    Thanks for your help Gayle and Buddy. I have season tickets or will have for the first time and I’m just not familiar with how this all plays out.

  37. Travis December 17th, 2007 at 10:54 am

    I definitely don’t blame Tony Clark for the Yankees losing that series, I just want to caution anyone who looks back too fondly on his stint with the team. He’s not very good.

  38. Juke Early December 17th, 2007 at 10:58 am

    Hey jennifer— ty for making me laugh! I actually had to blink twice, but I got it ;)

  39. Big Apple Salute December 17th, 2007 at 11:01 am

    Karma :

    Who says Mitchell’s report is biased ? Sources now say that 41 year olds Wakefield, Schilling, and Timlin are banned from using Viagra in the Socks clubhouse or face heavy slaps on the wrist.

  40. Lori December 17th, 2007 at 11:10 am

    Hate beating this Pettitte thing, but: while the FDA approves prescription drugs for certain uses, a physician may prescribe it for ANY reason. This is called off-label use and while drug companies cannot promote their drug for an “off label” (ie non-FDA approved) use, there is nothing illegal about a physician prescribing it. That is why you see anti-psychotics being written for sleep disorders, the ED drugs being given for pediatric pulmonary hypertension, etc. However, as has been said, it does require a prescription from a doctor. So yes, the manner in which Andy acquired the HGH was wrong. But so is taking your friend’s sleeping pill. The illegality is the taking without a doctor’s prescription not the purpose for which he used it.

  41. ORORO December 17th, 2007 at 11:10 am

    Hey Pete………perhaps you missed it…but David Chase is on record that Tony is alive.

  42. vrsce December 17th, 2007 at 11:22 am

    SO is Elvis

  43. yanks61 December 17th, 2007 at 11:27 am

    A couple of threads back some people asked why it was that the Yankees seem to be the most hated team in baseball (if not all of sport.)I thought I’d add my own two cents.

    The Yankees are both the most hated and most LOVED team in all of America (maybe all the world, but I know next to nothing about soccer.)It just goes with the territory. When you’re top gun people come gunning for you. The Red Sox have won two of the last few ’shoot outs,’ but their fan’s inferiority complex is such that they’re STILL gunning for the Yanks. After all, they know how far they have to go to reach 26 championships.

    Only a few years back there was a poll commissioned by somebody (I believe it may have been Baseball Digest)which showed the Yankees as by far and away the most popular team in the U.S. I live in Europe and when you see folks wearing baseball caps, it’s almost always a Yankee hat. I had a few joking words with a guy in France sporting a Yankee cap the other day, and he not only knew who they were but said if he ever gets to the States, it’s his dream to see a Yankee baseball game – just because the Yankees’ name is magical and a well known icon of success. Perhaps only Manchester United can come close to that iconic status.

    The other side of the coin is the hatred manifested by a lot of losers. I think most of us admire success even if we want to beat the team or person that’s successful. I admit I admire Beckett’s performance in 2007, but I want the Yanks to beat his butt good in 2008. Losers tend to simply be jealous of winners. Thus the hatred.

    Sorry, it’s perhaps a simplistic view, but I don’t think this stuff is rocket science!

  44. parafoil December 17th, 2007 at 11:31 am

    “Only a few years back there was a poll commissioned by somebody (I believe it may have been Baseball Digest)which showed the Yankees as by far and away the most popular team in the U.S.”

    Only a few years back the Yankees were coming off 4 championships in 5 years, now that the Sox have won 2 of the last 4 I wouldn’t be surprised if those numbers have changed. Most of the world are bandwagon fans and jump on whatever ship is sailing the fastest.

  45. raymagnetic December 17th, 2007 at 11:42 am

    “I just want to caution anyone who looks back too fondly on his stint with the team. He’s not very good.”

    Travis, have you ever looked at Tony Clark’s numbers for his career? For his career he has an OPS+ of 113. That’s pretty good.

    Even in his short stint with the Yankees he did farely well considering he only had 236 AB’s with the team. He hit 16 HR’s and had 49RBI’s. He may not be Will Clark, but he’s miles ahead better than Wil Nieves.

  46. B-D-4 train December 17th, 2007 at 11:47 am

    Fortunately, the contract of the spineless Bud Selig expires after 2009 …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Selig

  47. Chipper > Matsui December 17th, 2007 at 11:51 am

    Mussina and Betemit to Atlanta for Chipper Jones.

    Mussina and Jones are a wash ($11M each for next year only).
    Atlanta’s rotation would be a division-winning and World Series-contending Smoltz/ Hudson/ Glavine/ Mussina/ Hampton
    w/ James. They could sign Mike Lamb for 3B or to platoon there with Betemit.

    Jones becomes the Yanks 1B and insurance 3B.

    Re-sign Tony Clark to back up Jones.

    Matsui to Anaheim for Ervin Santana.

    Santana is not needed with Lackey/ Escobar/ Weaver/ Saunders/ Moseley or Colon re-signed for the #4 and Saunders or Moseley in the #5. The Angels get the veteran lefthanded DH with power they need, the Yanks get a kid with 3 years of M.L.B. experience who turns only 25 on January 10 and made only $425K this year. Kennedy slides into Mussina’s slot. Trade Hughes, Ervin, and Cabrera for Johann Santana then sign Corey Patterson for CF.

    Here you go folks:

    Damon LF L
    Jeter SS R
    Abreu RF L
    A-Rod 3B R
    Jones 1B S
    Posada C S
    Cano 2B L
    Giambi DH L
    Patterson CF R

    J.Santana/Pettitte/Wang/Chamberlain/Kennedy

    Or they could go with Pettitte/Wang/E.Santana/Chamberlain/
    Kennedy, Cabrera in CF & the #9 slot & sign Johann after ’08 if Minnesota turns down Hughes, Ervin & Cabrera.

  48. Blargh December 17th, 2007 at 12:10 pm

    To Pete: Your thoughts on greenies/amphetamines?
    They have been controlled substances since 1970, after all

  49. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") & dammit SAVE HUGHES !!! December 17th, 2007 at 12:16 pm

    Fortunately, the contract of the spineless Bud Selig expires after 2009 …

    when our new dynasty restarts :lol:

  50. Bob December 17th, 2007 at 12:18 pm

    Does anyone have a link where I can see the whole A-Rod interview on 60 minutes?

    On CBS’s site they only have a couple segments of it.

    Thanks.

  51. Dr. Cox December 17th, 2007 at 12:20 pm

    The interview was completely rehearsed, even Katie’s hard ball questions seemed like like he knew that they were coming.

  52. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") & dammit SAVE HUGHES !!! December 17th, 2007 at 12:25 pm

    no it wasn’t.. he wasn’t prepared for the Bonds question, the steroid he was waiting for it, the 2nd to if he was tempted it’s like in his mind he said f**k no but let me make it more dramatic w/ a little pause, the question about the Mitchell investigation that also wasn’t rehearsed. The only rehearsed thing in this interview was the postseason question. :)

  53. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 17th, 2007 at 12:41 pm

    Chipper > Matsui

    I don’t know why you wasted all your time writing that. Mike will NEVER EVER accept a trade to Atlanta. His family is in Penn. There is no way in hell he would go that far from them.

  54. whozat December 17th, 2007 at 12:50 pm

    Re: Pete, Pettitte and HGH.

    It is against MLB rules to use a prescription drug that was not prescribed to you.

    Andy used HGH (a prescription drug) that was not prescribed to him.

    Thus, Andy broke that rule. To assert that Pete is irresponsible for saying so is ridiculous. The above two statements are true. There’s no getting around it. The argument is NOT that it was against federal law and thus he by proxy broke an MLB rule. The argument is that there IS an MLB rule against using prescription drugs without a prescription, and Andy broke it.

    Given the particular case and the circumstances around it, we can choose to think whether he should be punished, if at all. But it is a fact that Andy did break an MLB rule.

  55. Phil December 17th, 2007 at 12:53 pm

    I don’t know if Mike would never, ever accept a trade to Atlanta. I seriously doubt he would. However, if the choices are 6th starter/long man out of the bullpen with the Yankees vs. being a starter for the Braves and Bobby Cox…who knows?

    After seeing him flee Baltimore after repeatedly saying he’d never play in NYC, I wouldn’t say never.

    That being said, I don’t think Moose is going anywhere.

  56. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 17th, 2007 at 12:57 pm

    Morning all. What have I missed?

  57. Mike R. December 17th, 2007 at 12:58 pm

    I don’t think that Mussina would be the hold up in that deal. How about the fact that there is no way that the Braves are trading Chipper Jones? Even if they did it would probably be for a package of young players, not Matsui and Mussina.

  58. Ranting Guy December 17th, 2007 at 1:21 pm

    Break the rule, Pettitte did. He’s not denying it. To that extend he’s the same as Canseco or Bonds or Clemens. For the sake of argument I’m just assuming Bonds & Clemens are guilty.

    But Pettitte’s not the same as Canseco or Bonds or Clemens (or who knows how many others) when you considering the extent to which those guys made their name (or made themselves into a legend) as a result of using the juice.

    While it’s still breaking the rules or against the law, I hesitate to equally compare someone who got caught having a drink at a party two years before they turn 21 to someone with a stack of moving violations on their driver’s liscense who’s facing their 3rd DWI conviction. Even in the courts, a judge would take things such as intent and degree of guilt into consideration when deciding their penalties.

  59. Yazman December 17th, 2007 at 1:21 pm

    Boston Dave,

    The 192 innings for Mussina may be optimistic, given last year (though I hope he could do 192 effectively).

    Yanks may want to get JC/PH/IPK closer to 175, especially IPK, to continue their progression.

    That said, I LOVE the idea of Joe getting creative with the rotation to give more guys work and keep them fresh for the playoffs. Ideas I’ve seen here include

    -6 man rotation

    -modified 6 man rotation (such as the SWB Yanks Blog)

    -”tag team” starts, e.g, plan for Hughes to start every 5th day for 5 innings/75 pitches max, with Mussina taking the ball for 4 innings — same deal for Joba and another rookie, with Pettite and Wang getting the normal 5 day rotation (but with a fresher bullpen available).

    Do folks here think the Yanks should get creative with the bullpen, or just pick the best 5 (and admit that injuries will probably help figure it out for us).

  60. Ranting Guy December 17th, 2007 at 1:23 pm

    G’morning Rebecca.

    Considering it’s around 1 in the afternoon, you missed the whole morning.

    I miss college.

  61. Tommy December 17th, 2007 at 1:28 pm

    Hey R–OP,
    Hope you had a safe trip back.
    Been off the blog for a few days.

    Looks like my defense of Mitchell may have been a bit off.
    I still think his integrity regarding the whole RS bias issue is safe, but the overall report sure looks shaky.

    Pettite: likeable, so he gets a pass.
    Bonds & Clemens: not likable, so they do not.
    Simple.

  62. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 17th, 2007 at 1:35 pm

    Ranting Guy: I was up at 11! Just didn’t post till one!

    Tommy: Trip back was fine. I think the greater danger was when I tried to get the mail…our driveway is a sheet of ice!

    Anyway, any of you seen Stark’s article?

    It’s worth a read–especially for those like Pete, who are both Pats and Yankees fans

  63. Mike R. December 17th, 2007 at 1:35 pm

    “Yanks may want to get JC/PH/IPK closer to 175, especially IPK, to continue their progression.”

    Actually Kennedy is the only one of the three that should not have an innings cap next seaason. He had 165 IP last year versus 110 and 112 for Hughes and Joba respectively.

  64. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 17th, 2007 at 1:41 pm

    Hey guys, I need some advice.

    Mark Littell, the guy that gave up the 76 Chambliss home run, is a guest on the webcast I cover the Yanks for this week.

    What the heck do I ask him?!

  65. TheGhostOfAlvaroEspinoza December 17th, 2007 at 2:21 pm

    Well there’s some pretty big questions about the current state of the game that you could ask him about, and how they correlate to his days as a player…of course you could ask him the inevitable questions about the home run he gave up, though maybe you’d want to steer clear of those?

    There’s a pretty hilarious section of his wikipedia entry that discusses a protective cup he invented…

    Maybe you could ask him what it was like being a closer in what must have been the formative years of that role in baseball?

    Interesting that his Chambliss HR was only the second he gave up in over 100 innings pitched.

  66. Yazman December 17th, 2007 at 3:09 pm

    Hi Mike R.,

    I think we’re on the same page. The blog post quoted by Boston Dave targeted IPK for 152 innings, and I simply meant to say that, more than PH or JC, the Yanks may want him to have more than that.

  67. The Biz Markie December 17th, 2007 at 3:12 pm

    Pete, the only problem I have with your take on Pettitte’s use of HGH is your insistence on painting this as a black and white issue without taking into account the controversy within the medical community over the use of HGH. I agree with you that it is an unconventional, experimental treatment and has not been demonstrated as a reliable healing aid in any large studies, but there are some respectable doctors that feel it helps with recuperation.

    For example, NYU professor Gary Walder noted in a recent article that although more research is needed, it is generally felt by those who work in the field of physical therapy that HGH, “can be a reasonably effective recovery tool.” Again I’m not saying it’s use has been legitimately established or that it is widely promoted, but by not even acknowledging the differing opinions of HGH, you wrongly imply that Pettitte’s explanation is insincere and unfounded. I’m sorry but he deserves better.

  68. frankd December 17th, 2007 at 3:45 pm

    Maybe I just like Petite and prefer to give him a pass but consider this. We’re back in 2002 I can remember getting emails telling me that HGH would help me age better. HGH would help me recover from various ailments, etc. Legal or not this was going on. I’m thinking that Petite has better things to do then research for medications to help his “elbow” heal and in walks an employee of the team, a trainer who has given you various treatments since you have been with the team. I can imagine him letting this trainer help his recovery without asking if this is legal or if he had a presciption. Five years later were all a lot smarter but as for Andy he took two treatments and quit which is a lot better than someone who was on a career plan.

  69. Yankee Trader December 17th, 2007 at 4:18 pm

    Pettitte is guilty of using HGH without a prescription, but my guess is he will not face a suspension and mentally will be unburdened and ready for the season.

    Clemens ,on the other hand, after hearing the testimony against him, has deliberately cheated, and although innocent till proven guilty, he’d be best to fess up, before it turns into a Barry Bonds saga.

    Doubt Santana will be traded to the Yanks. Why should they give up 2 major league players plus others for Santana and then have to sign him for an extra 6-7 years. That is much more than Oakland received for Haren. None of those players would even start for Minnesota. If the Yankees need to unload 12-13M of salary, Matsui, if he waives his NTC, is the only one who makes sense. Stuck with Mussina and Giambi. There would be a market for Damon, but who leads off-Jeter? Would only see Matsui going to the Mets or a west coast team, and who would be willing to take on his salary, let alone have a need for him?

    Bullpen is their weakness. There’s not a one of them I’d trust to come into the game with RISP and one out, to get out of the inning unscathed. Maybe Rivera, but remember he blew 3 of Pettitte’s games.

  70. Chuck December 17th, 2007 at 4:35 pm

    Pete — Please stop relying on the nuance of the Mitchell report because it has more holes than swiss cheese.

    (1) The MLB Drug Policy SAYS NOTHING about unnamed prescription drugs being used without a prescription violating the drug policy. You keep relying on Mitchell’s reliance on a single 36 year old MLB memo to claim it is the use of prescription drugs without a prescription violated MLB’s drug policy. As you should be aware as a learned baseball reporter, MLB policy in this area is subject to the CBA and does not just get handed down from generation to generation. Indeed, Selig can try to do just about anything in the “best interest of baseball,” but if he uses that to try and discipline players on a subject matter that is specically covered by the collective bargaining agreement and his decisions are challenged in court, he will very likely lose.

    (2) All of what is written about McNamee’s statements about administering or giving steroids or HGH to players is about the period form 2000 through 2002. However, all of the corroborating evidence (from Radinski statements, documents, phone records) about McNamee’s purchase of steroids and HGH appears to be from 2003 and later. Why is there no information in the report about who was given these perfomance enhancers in 2003 and later? Why is there no corroborating evidence for the period prior to 2003? According to the report, McNamee didn’t give Clemens or Pettitte any “stuff” after 2002 and he continued to purchase too much for personal consumption.

    The report is little more than an anecdotal patchwork assembled by a man working under the appearance of a conflict of interest. Among other things, Mitchell should provide ALL of his evidence — including the full transcripts of the conversations his office had with McNamee and Radinski — to the public. There are far too many holes in a report that rambles on for over 400 pages and cost over $20 million.

  71. The Monk December 17th, 2007 at 8:16 pm

    Tony Clark is a nice guy, and the too-high hop in game 5 of the ’04 ALCS is unfortunate. The worst at bat he had, however, was in game 6, bottom of the ninth, two on, Yanks down 4-2 and he took a 90-mph cupcake right down the center of the plate from Keith Foulke. A horrid mistake pitch that should have made Tony into Tony-f’ing-Clark just as Aaron Boone and Bucky Dent had been renamed before in New England.

    Clark looked at it.

    He eventually struck out.

    The Yanks tanked.

    Ugh.

  72. PAT M. December 17th, 2007 at 8:24 pm

    What many forget about the 04 debacle, was the loss of John Olerod……His injury I believe was just as important as the bullpen arms finally hitting empty…..Tony Clark is not and should never be considered as an option for 08…Shame his linedrive didn’t stay in the park..I try to let that series go, but it still haunts me much as that 9th inning in Arizona back in November 2001…..

  73. FYI December 17th, 2007 at 8:47 pm

    Pettitte used HGH twice – so says the Mitchell Report and so says Pettitte. We can agree Pettitte shouldn’t have used HGH. Now can someone tell me what benefit Pettitte got from two injections? I don’t know the answer. Certainly, Pettitte’s two injections can’t be compared to the allegations against Clemens or Bonds or most others.
    Aside from being a NY Yankee and part of the whining from Mets fans about steroid and the 2000 World Series (I remember a couple great plays by Jeter and other Yanks, as well. And Mariano getting Piazza out) Pettitte is a minor figure in all this steroids rage – from what we know.

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