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Let’s hug it out, A-Rod

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 18, 2007 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

ari_gold1.jpgThere’s a story in Variety that Alex Rodriguez has dumped Scott Boras and hired a Hollywood dude as his agent. The story is not entirely true, I’ve been told. Boras remains Alex’s baseball agent. This latest move is for other ventures.

But Boras used to handle everything for Alex. The winter of discontent continues for him.

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Brian Roberts has come out and apologized for using steroids once. Amazing how many of these guys used PEDs just once or twice, isn’t it?

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It always seems to work out for Joe Torre. The Dodgers have signed Andruw Jones and the best Japanese pitcher on the market, Hiroki Kuroda. The Dodgers were 82-80 last season and eight games out of first in the NL West. Adding Torre, a cleanup hitter and a good starter puts them right back in contention.

Yanks-Dodgers World Series. How great would that be?

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Loyal reader Nick from San Francisco traveled to Taiwan and sent a link to his Flickr photo album from the trip.

The photos show how incredibly popular Chien-Ming Wang is in Taiwan. Thanks for sharing the photos, Nick.

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All is quiet on the Johan Santana front says the Boston Globe.

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I picked up my niece at school yesterday. Leah is 7 and in second grade. As the kids streamed out the door at 3:15 I noticed that one thing hasn’t changed: the boys still jump in snow as soon as possible.

But what struck me is that every single kid had a backpack. I may be dating myself here, but I didn’t have a backpack until college. What could a 7-year-old need to carry around? One kid had a bag on wheels like he was a lawyer.

So I checked. There were 4 books, her journal, extra mittens, a water bottle (we didn’t have those either when I was a kid), a Webkinz, tissues, her lunch bag, a folder of homework and assorted Hannah Montana pins.

I asked Leah if she really needed a backpack. She looked at me like I was insane. “I had one in kindergarten Uncle Pete,” she said with disdain for my idiocy. “You have to have one.”

Yeah, I’m old. Damn it.

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494 Responses to “Let’s hug it out, A-Rod”

  1. whozat December 18th, 2007 at 1:03 pm

    “but I didn’t have a backpack until college”

    In high school, I had a sports duffel to carry all my books to and from school. And I didn’t have any athletic gear in it…just books. In college I got to downgrade BACK to a backpack because I had less stuff to carry around.

  2. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") & dammit SAVE HUGHES !!! December 18th, 2007 at 1:05 pm

    let’s hug it out :lol: CLASSIC

  3. murphydog December 18th, 2007 at 1:05 pm

    “The photos show how incredibly popular Chien-Ming Wang is in Taiwan.”

    So, Mr. Wang is picking up quite a few endorsement contracts. Is it fair to assume it’s big dollars (yen?) or is it less rewarding to shill for, say, Mickie D’s in Taiwan?

  4. Johnny B December 18th, 2007 at 1:06 pm

    Back in the day if you carried a backpack to school you were mocked. It was a sign of pride to carry as many books possible without the use of one.

  5. Tommy December 18th, 2007 at 1:09 pm

    A Yankee-Dodger WS could be disastrous.
    How would Pettite, MO, PO, Jeter and others concentrate and give their all when facing St. Joe?

  6. the todd December 18th, 2007 at 1:09 pm

    whozat, i posted this on the last thread …

    whozat-

    this is from the baseball america minor league baseball transaction blog

    ( http://www.baseballamerica.com.....cts/?p=697 )

    New York Yankees
    Signed: RHP Darrell Rasner

  7. murphydog December 18th, 2007 at 1:10 pm

    At different times in my educational career it was a matter of pride not to be seen carrying any books.

  8. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") & dammit SAVE HUGHES !!! December 18th, 2007 at 1:10 pm

    my first backpack was in 1st grade, by 3rd grade I was walking like a chain gang slave, especially w/ the blue reading textbook they start you out with :lol:

  9. the todd December 18th, 2007 at 1:11 pm

    I can’t see the dodgers winning the NL West, not with the dbacks there. Maybe the WC but, the NL WC is always a huge race, it would be a nice match up but I don’t see it happening.

  10. Doreen December 18th, 2007 at 1:12 pm

    I had a bookstrap. Most of the time it didn’t fit around the books I carried to and from high school (walked) and jr. high (bus). College was easy cuz I kept the books in my car and got them as I needed them. (St. Johns Staten Island).

    Bu, my daughters had packbacks since pre-school!

  11. Doreen December 18th, 2007 at 1:13 pm

    **Uh, make thata backpacks, not packbacks. Edit button, please!

  12. MarkK December 18th, 2007 at 1:15 pm

    I hope Dodgers management allow Torre his nap time, every game between the 3rd and 5th innings and the 7th through the 9th.

  13. Jeremy December 18th, 2007 at 1:16 pm

    I was going to write that Torre won’t help the Dodgers win any more games than they did last year, but then I remembered who their last manager was and reconsidered.

  14. mel December 18th, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    Pete,

    Now I really know that you don’t have kids. “Backpack” is on every school supply list.

    When you’re ready to settle down, please let us know. You’re blog base is quite knowledgable and would probably have some great advice for you. lol.

    Hint #1: Your wife probably won’t like Springsteen as much as you, so that vintage tour tee that you thought she’d really like for Christmas? Ehhh, not so much.

  15. Global Warming December 18th, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    In other news the Yankees raised Ticket Prices again.

    Where are those guys who say “It’s not your money so who cares about players salaries”– Mariano getting 15 Mil per?

    I care.

  16. murphydog December 18th, 2007 at 1:19 pm

    “Brian Roberts has come out and apologized for using steroids once. Amazing how many of these guys used PEDs just once or twice, isn’t it? ”

    Question: When someone is stopped for DUI, how many beers do they almost always say they had?

    Answer: Two.

  17. mel December 18th, 2007 at 1:20 pm

    Doreen,

    You’re kidding, right? OMG. We had Quicksilver duffle bags to throw all our books and athletic stuff inside.

    I’ve always pictured you the June Cleaver of our times, and now you’ve confirmed it. j/k.

  18. Fred Vincy December 18th, 2007 at 1:21 pm

    Pete,

    You truly are a reporter — you interview the second graders!

    My fifth grader has a wheely bag — he’s a small kid and they load him down with a lot of books. Don’t want him hurting his shoulder with a backpack….

    Fred

  19. Joe Monte December 18th, 2007 at 1:21 pm

    With Girardi taking over as the manager, it’s more than possible to see the Yankees start the season with a rookie or two in the bullpen. So far, we only have three locks for the rotation (Mo, Hawkins, & Farnsworth) and four spots open for the pen. If Moose starts off in the rotation b/c of his salary and experience and we don’t make a deal for Johan, would Girardi put some starters in the bullpen like Horne and Kennedy? I think we need to have a lefty in the bullpen, who is effective in the AL like Ron Mahay.

    1. Mo Rivera
    2. Latroy Hawkins
    3. Farnsworth
    4. Veras
    5. Mahay
    6. Horne
    7. Kennedy

    Other potential bullpen arms: Bruney, Steven White, David Robertson, Jeff Marquez.

  20. pat December 18th, 2007 at 1:22 pm

    Pete
    Thanks for the info on the agent thing.

    Only Boy Scouts had backpacks when I was in elementary school and they were canvas with a flap and a buckle. I had a bookstrap too.

    I still smile when I think about my daughter at 2 or 3 years old stuffing up her 1st “knapsnack” with everything she could fit in it, putting it on and tipping over backwards. LOL

  21. hmmm December 18th, 2007 at 1:23 pm

    “Where are those guys who say “It’s not your money so who cares about players salaries”– Mariano getting 15 Mil per?”

    do you really think the Yankees would not have raised ticket prices without the increase in salaries?

    every year they raise ticket prices and every year they sell more tickets.

    what does that tell you?

    i agree that the prices suck. but the yankees don’t differentiate between WHO is buying the tickets, whether it is corporations or “real fans”. all they know is that they can charge whatever they want and still sell 4 million seats.

    this has nothing to do with Mariano’s contract.

  22. raymagnetic December 18th, 2007 at 1:25 pm

    “In other news the Yankees raised Ticket Prices again.

    Where are those guys who say “It’s not your money so who cares about players salaries”– Mariano getting 15 Mil per?

    I care.”

    Believe me when I say this, this is the last year of the old Yankee Stadium. The demand for tickets is outrageous I’m sure. Ticket prices were going up regardless. The Yankees will probably have the same payroll they had last year. The rising salaries have nothing, nothing at all to do with the rise in ticket prices.

    There’s this other little thing called inflation as well that pretty much raises the price of everything on a yearly basis in this great country of ours.

  23. raymagnetic December 18th, 2007 at 1:25 pm

    Whozat you beat me to it.

  24. mel December 18th, 2007 at 1:26 pm

    Since 1997, Dukes has been arrested at least three times for battery and once for assault, faced multiple paternity suits and admitted using marijuana.

    I don’t care what a kid’s upside is, these kind of players aren’t worth the trouble. Elijah Dukes is being accused of threatening yet another woman.

  25. Blargh December 18th, 2007 at 1:27 pm

    I used a backpack all the time for school… (I’m 22)

    Wow, that figurine cost approximately 1139$, going by today’s conversation rate

    Nick in SF: If you get to see this question, managed to see any stuff about Hong-Chih Kuo, Chin-Hui Tsao, or Chin-lung Hu while you were in Taiwan? Or does Wang get all the attention there? xP

  26. TheGhostOfAlvaroEspinoza December 18th, 2007 at 1:27 pm

    I love how that Boston Globe article refers to “certain-to-improve Daisuke Matsuzaka”. Nothing like rosie-colored optimism, is there?

  27. Chris in MA December 18th, 2007 at 1:28 pm

    Entourage is hands down the best show ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  28. whozat December 18th, 2007 at 1:29 pm

    “Where are those guys who say “It’s not your money so who cares about players salaries”– Mariano getting 15 Mil per?”

    Well…that sort of assumes they wouldn’t have raised ticket prices anyway. Which, frankly, I doubt. They know it’s the last year of the park, they know people will come anyway…The demand is high enough that they can raise the price without impacting the bottom line.

  29. GreenBeret7 December 18th, 2007 at 1:29 pm

    Doreen, I didn’t have any of that stuff. No way would I have used a book strap. I saw no reason to give the teachers or my dad any ideas.

  30. Travis December 18th, 2007 at 1:31 pm

    As the father of children in kindergarten and second grade, I loved the sidebar abut backpacks. Today, one of the kids had so much stuff to transport to school that she had TWO backpacks!

  31. raymagnetic December 18th, 2007 at 1:34 pm

    Actually hmmmmm you beat me to it.

  32. Chuck December 18th, 2007 at 1:34 pm

    Irrational Torre love continues… the real question is whether Andruw and Hiroki can make up for all of Torre’s in-game inevitable management mistakes. I would wager that the Dodgers will win no more than 82 games this year… they have three other quality teams in their division… Torre has an option that could improve his team — bring McNamee in as assistant trainer.

    Backpacks on seven year olds: http://youtube.com/watch?v=1cNDSPutas8

  33. dadofjft December 18th, 2007 at 1:34 pm

    The same Brian Roberts that so many were aghast to see in Mitchell’s report based on the “flimsy” evidence against him? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you, to hear it’s true. It’s almost as if the report named people actually using PEDs, not just non-Red Sox.

  34. Jordan December 18th, 2007 at 1:34 pm

    Pete, you are dating yourself.

    I’m a junior in college and I, like your niece, had a backpack in kindergarten. Ironically enough I haven’t used one since freshman year in high school. But none-the-less, a majority of people I know still have one if only to carry on the tradition of having one since the beginning of their academic careers.

    And your niece probably does need one, because teachers make students carry around their lives in backpacks to be “prepared”.

  35. Brandon (Proud supporter of "ALEX BEING ALEX") & dammit SAVE HUGHES !!! December 18th, 2007 at 1:37 pm

    1. Mo Rivera
    2. Latroy Hawkins
    3. Farnsworth
    4. Veras
    5. Mahay
    6. Horne
    7. Kennedy

    Kennedy is a SP

    Mahay ? we’re not giving up draft picks for Ron Mahay

  36. hmmm December 18th, 2007 at 1:39 pm

    “The same Brian Roberts that so many were aghast to see in Mitchell’s report based on the “flimsy” evidence against him?”

    right, b/c this now means the evidence in the report was somehow not flimsy.

    it is almost as if some people are willfully opposed to critical thinking.

  37. GreenBeret7 December 18th, 2007 at 1:39 pm

    Horne will be a starter in Scranton, as will Marquez. And it all depends on White shows in ST.

  38. Drew December 18th, 2007 at 1:39 pm

    Did you tell your niece how you walked to school- uphill both ways?

  39. whozat December 18th, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    “Mahay ? we’re not giving up draft picks for Ron Mahay”

    He’s not a type A. They wouldn’t have to give up picks for him.

    Regardless, if he’s actually looking for a 3 year deal, fuhgeddaboudit. One? Sure. Two…maybe. If it’s cheap.

  40. hmmm December 18th, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    “Mahay ? we’re not giving up draft picks for Ron Mahay”

    they wouldn’t have to give up draft picks for Mahay.

  41. whozat December 18th, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    “Kennedy is a SP”

    Not if Moose, Joba and Hughes are in the rotation he’s not. Unless they send him back to Scranton in that event. Which they might.

  42. Mike S. December 18th, 2007 at 1:41 pm

    My money is still with the D-Backs, now that Haren joins Webb and Owings got his feet wet last year.

  43. cupaJOBA December 18th, 2007 at 1:42 pm

    Damn Pete, you are old! I had a backpack in first grade and im only 24 now..

    Anyone have issues buying tickets on yankees.com?

  44. Ed December 18th, 2007 at 1:45 pm

    Speaking as a 26 year old, everyone had a backpack at school starting from 1st grade. You needed it at the very least for bringing your books back and forth for homework.

    As for Brian Roberts, I’d say there’s a good chance he’s telling the truth. We have nothing to suggest he did it more than once. All we’ve got on him is a brief locker room exchange “Have you ever done steroids?” “I tried them once.”

    It’s not uncommon for teenagers to try cigarettes or pot once or twice and then realize its a bad idea. HGH & steroids seem to be the locker room equivalent. With amphetamines being the equivalent of alcohol – lots of people doing it even though they shouldn’t.

  45. Dave in WPL December 18th, 2007 at 1:46 pm

    I know for sure even in a certain third world country most kids started having backpacks since the 1950′s. I guess you’re really much, much older than I had thought.

    On another note, nice to see that J. Alba is doing well in the winter league.

  46. GreenBeret7 December 18th, 2007 at 1:47 pm

    Joba, Pete’s so old that the first picture of him was cut into one of the pyramids.

  47. saucy December 18th, 2007 at 1:49 pm

    i’ve always had some sort of bag for my books since 1st grade, i think. don’t remember when, but at some age (i’m thinking middle school) they all changed to backpacks and nobody “carried” any sort of bag with a handle…

  48. Blargh December 18th, 2007 at 1:49 pm

    Yea, and there’s no media frenzy over amphetamines
    Even if they are in the same legal category as anabolic steroids
    Or that they would ‘enhance’ ‘performance’ (as stimulants, of course they would)

  49. Nick in SF December 18th, 2007 at 1:54 pm

    “Nick in SF: If you get to see this question, managed to see any stuff about Hong-Chih Kuo, Chin-Hui Tsao, or Chin-lung Hu while you were in Taiwan? Or does Wang get all the attention there? xP”

    Wang and the Yankees get the overwhelming majority of attention, as far as I could see. I did see people every now and then with caps from other teams (Dodgers, Red Sox), but no posters or paraphernalia for any individual players besides Wang. Some of those other players did come up in conversation with baseball fans there, but Wang and the Yankees get all the mass adulation for sure.

  50. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 18th, 2007 at 1:55 pm

    Umm, Pete, I had a backpack back in second grade.

    And all throughout high school, until I realized that backpacks actually hurt, and made the switch to messenger bags.

  51. GreenBeret7 December 18th, 2007 at 1:56 pm

    It’s sad to look back at lost innocence. When I was growing up, Ana Bolic was this month’s Playboy centerfold and Speed was the first name of a cartoon charactet (Speed Racer).

  52. GreenBeret7 December 18th, 2007 at 1:58 pm

    **character**

  53. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 1:59 pm

    Dodgers vs. Yankees world series

    Wow. What drama. The biggest question would be will Jeter let Torre hold his bat between at bats?

    My answer to that is only in Yankee stadium. Just for old times sake.

  54. Doreen December 18th, 2007 at 1:59 pm

    Mel -

    Thanks for the huge, huge laugh! June Cleaver, indeed! I promise, no pearls when I clean the house (though, I don’t think June ever cleaned – just baked those layer cakes!).

    The content in the report on Brian Roberts is flimsy, and his admission doesn’t make it any less flimsy. But there has to be some distinction between those who tried and something and then thought better of it, and those that ignored their misgivings and kept on keeping on. What it goes to show is you can’t trust anyone, even a friend/teammate that you confide in. Maybe especially.

  55. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 18th, 2007 at 1:59 pm

    I don’t recall when I started to carry a backpack. I don’t think I had homework until the 2nd or 3rd grade, so I assume I didn’t carry one till than.

  56. Doreen December 18th, 2007 at 2:00 pm

    *tried something*

  57. Tom December 18th, 2007 at 2:01 pm

    I’m 33, I’m pretty sure I had a backpack throughout most of my educational career. Used it to carry books into school, then it stayed in the locker.

    Rebecca, tighten your straps and carry the backpack higher; it won’t hurt so much. It’s much better to carry a heavy load on both shoulders then one, ala a messager bag.

  58. Abe's Odd World December 18th, 2007 at 2:01 pm

    John Sickels MiLB Yankee Prospect Rankings:

    http://www.minorleagueball.com...../14218/226

    1. Joba Chamberlain, RHP, Grade A

    2. Jose Tabata, OF, Grade B+

    3. Ian Kennedy, RHP, Grade B+

    4. Alan Horne, RHP, Grade B

    5. Austin Jackson, OF, Grade B-

    6. Bradley Suttle, 3B, Grade B-

    7. Dellin Betances, RHP, Grade B-

    8. Austin Romine, C, Grade B- (hate grading guys who haven’t played yet, could be C+)

    9. Jesus Montero, C, Grade C+ (borderline B-)

    10. Dan McCutchen, RHP, Grade C+

    11. Brett Gardner, OF, Grade C+

    12. Damon Sublett, 2B, Grade C+ (love this guy)

    13. Andrew Brackman, RHP, Grade C+ (could slot anywhere from 9 to 20 depending on what you want to emphasize)

    14. Jeffrey Marquez, RHP, Grade C+

    15. George Kontos, RHP, Grade C+

    16. Kevin Whelan, RHP, Grade C+ (check those K/IP and H/IP, but command?)

    17. Frank Cervelli, C, Grade C+ (great glove, bat?)

    18. David Robertson, RHP, Grade C+ (stunning numbers)

    19. Jairo Heredia, RHP, Grade C+

    20. Zach McAllister, RHP, Grade C+

  59. saucy December 18th, 2007 at 2:01 pm

    imagine the statement it would make if Roberts’ statement started out with, “despite the flimsy evidence…..”

  60. George December 18th, 2007 at 2:03 pm

    In HS, the text books were HUGE. I actually stole two copies of each so I wouldn’t have to lug them back and forth from school to home. Still needed a backpack to go to class though…

  61. GreenBeret7 December 18th, 2007 at 2:03 pm

    Talking about June Cleaver and that show could make for some very funny/dirty one liners.

  62. mel December 18th, 2007 at 2:04 pm

    Are people still talking about the Mitchell Report? lol.

    I’m glad Andy was the first to use “I used it only twice” line.

    Vina said HGH only, never steroids.

    Roberts used steroids once.

    A retired player was “relieved” that his name came out.

    It seems that the Mitchell Report is accurate in what it reported, but in my oppinion it’s still inaccurate because of its omissions.

    Sadly, it SEEMS to only verify what has been whispered for years. That Clemens used some sort of PEDs. Did it hurt you guys to hear Andy reported more than it hurt to hear Clemens reported? Does that mean that Andy’s more beloved to the average Yankee fan?

  63. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 18th, 2007 at 2:04 pm

    Have I told everyone how much I hate Hampton inn? They have a 3 night minimum for when the Yankees play the o’s (same for the soxs). I only need one night. He gave me some bs how people want to book for the entire weekend. Well how does that come to 3 nights. If you see Friday, Sat, Sun game. You only need 2 nights leaving Sunday after the game. I was able to find another hotel anyway, but it is a further walk. :(

  64. Abe's Odd World December 18th, 2007 at 2:06 pm

    J.P. Schwartz’s 2008 Yankees Prospects Top 10

    http://www.topprospectalert.co.....spects.htm

    #1 Joba Chamberlain
    (MLB) 2-0, 0.38ERA, 24IP, 6BB, 34K, .145BAA
    (AAA) 1-0, 0.00ERA, 8IP, 1BB, 18K, .179BAA
    (AA) 4-2, 3.35ERA, 40.1IP, 15BB, 66K, .218ERA
    (High-A) 4-0, 2.03ERA, 40IP, 11BB, 51K, .181BAA

    #2 Ian Kennedy
    (MLB) 1-0, 1.89ERA, 19IP, 9BB, 15K, .191BAA
    (AAA) 1-1, 2.08ERA, 34.2IP, 11BB, 34K, .205BAA
    (AA) 5-1, 2.59ERA, 48.2IP, 17BB, 57K, .163BAA
    (High-A) 6-1, 1.29ERA, 63IP, 22BB, 72K, .183BAA

    #3 Jose Tabata
    (High-A) 103G .307, 16(2B), 2(3B), 5HR, 54RBI, 33BB, 70K, 15SB

    #4 Austin Jackson
    (AAA) 1G .333, 1(2B), 2BB, 2K, 1SB
    (High-A) 67G .345, 15(2B), 6(3B), 10HR, 34RBI, 22BB, 48K, 13SB
    (Low-A) 60G .260, 16(2B), 1(3B), 3HR, 25RBI, 24BB, 59K, 19SB

    #5 Dellin Betances
    (Short-A) 1-2, 3.60ERA, 25IP, 17BB, 29K, .255BAA

    #6 Humberto Sanchez
    Injured Did Not Play In 2007

    #7 Andrew Brackman
    1st Round Pick; Did Not Play Pro Ball In 2007

    #8-A Alan Horne
    (AA) 12-4, 3.11ERA, 153.1IP, 57BB, 165K, .256BAA

    #8-B Chase Wright
    (MLB) 2-0, 7.20ERA, 10IP, 6BB, 8K, .293BAA
    (AAA) 8-3, 4.01ERA, 85.1IP, 42BB, 40K, .248BAA
    (AA) 5-2, 3.62ERA, 59.2IP, 21BB, 41K, .249BAA

    #8-C Jeff Marquez
    (AA) 15-9, 3.65ERA, 155.1IP, 44BB, 94K, .270BAA

    #9 Jesus Montero
    (Rk) 33G .280, 6(2B), 3HR, 19RBI, 12BB, 18K

    #10 Brandon Laird
    (Rk) 45G .339, 14(2B), 1(3B), 8HR, 29RBI, 6BB, 26K

  65. Will December 18th, 2007 at 2:06 pm

    Hopefully Hiroki Kuroda works out better for Joe than Kei Igawa did. With the D-Backs adding Haren, I am not sure the Dodgers have exactly kept up.

  66. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 2:08 pm

    On another note, nice to see that J. Alba is doing well in the winter league.

    Wow talk about multi talented. That puts her obove Beil on my list.I love Jessica now more than ever!! Who’s with me.

  67. GreenBeret7 December 18th, 2007 at 2:09 pm

    Mel, I think the feeling about Pettitte was more like your son was caught, and, regardless of how he was brought up, the mistake still hurts and is disappointing. With Clemens, most thought he was talented, but, still a carpet bagger…more of the Eddie Haskill than wally Cleaver.

  68. G. Love December 18th, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    I remember when I actually was the cool kid in high school because I had an LL Bean backpack.

    I picked up the habit from my preppy friends I met at summer camp.

    I was there in the transition from kids carrying books by hand (which was the preferred way as someone said earlier) into backpacks.

    The kids in my school used to carry all your books loose in no bag. I guess that meant if you were able to carry all your books without a bag, you didn’t have a lot of books, so you weren’t a nerd. It was very much a “I don’t need to study/take school seriously so I only carry one book” sort of thing.

    Of course I had about 10 books, so carrying them at the end of the day to the bus or to my car when I got one, was ludicrous without a backpack.

    By the time I left high school, everyone was sporting backpacks, usually slung low over one shoulder causing great distress to rotator cuffs everywhere.

    I blame the backpack for why I’m currently not a part of the Yankee rotation.

  69. mel December 18th, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    GB7,

    And of course your son would’ve never done those things without Eddie’s influence, right?!

    So, can we agree, that despite Clemens’ contributions to the Yankees, that he’s not a True Yankee, but that we’d still like to see him go into the HOF with a Yankee cap? Whew! I’m out of breath, typing that run-on sentence.

  70. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 18th, 2007 at 2:20 pm

    By the time I was a junior/senior in high school I didn’t carry a book bag. I was taking softball classes espically my senior year. Pottery was the best, plus it was the last class of the day. Ah the good ole’ days.

  71. rb15 December 18th, 2007 at 2:21 pm

    I’m 27, and I had a backpack since maybe third grade. The LL Bean monrgammed ones, and then a North Face in high school (in Westchester). I started using a messenger bag in college, and then I switched back to a backpack in law school (too much stuff for a messenger bag – law school’s not kidding around with all those thick hardcover casebooks!).

  72. mel December 18th, 2007 at 2:21 pm

    Once upon a time, guys carried books for girls…

  73. chris December 18th, 2007 at 2:22 pm

    Wow, you must be gettin old Pete…i’m 24 and I had a backpack since 1st grade…

  74. Joe Monte December 18th, 2007 at 2:23 pm

    Regardless of Kennedy and Horne’s history as starting pitchers, they should be considered for the bullpen. I believe Girardi will take the best available arms for the bullpen. Who would you rather give the ball to in the 6th inning with a 3 run lead, Bruney or Kennedy? If the guy can get the hitter out as a starter, there’s no reason he can not be successful in the pen for a season. A lot of clubs break in players in the bullpen before moving them into the rotation.

    I forgot to mention Ohlendorf is a candidate for the pen next season.

  75. mel December 18th, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    The evidence is piling up, here. It’s obvious that there were backpacks when Pete was in school. He just didn’t notice because he was hanging out behind the gym. Just kidding, Pete.

    Who knew that backpacks would be more interesting than steroids?

  76. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    I read that Boston doesnt want to give up Elsbury for Santana and that talks have cooled off. Has anyone heard anything about the Yankees possition at this time? Will they now take Kennedy and Melky rather than Hughes being that the doors are closing on them? Dodgers landed a pitcher,Boston wont give up their stud and Angels well their the Angels(never likes giving up their young players).

  77. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 18th, 2007 at 2:26 pm

    Mel :lol:

  78. mel December 18th, 2007 at 2:27 pm

    Joe Monte,

    I think the reason why you’re being met with resistance on Kennedy, is that he’s the only one of the Big-3 that can even approach 200 innings.

    Also, Kennedy’s a very good, smart pitcher. He’ll be an asset to the Twins Yankees.

  79. whozat December 18th, 2007 at 2:28 pm

    “If the guy can get the hitter out as a starter, there’s no reason he can not be successful in the pen for a season”

    There are a variety of reasons. I don’t know if any of them would apply to Kennedy, but there are a lot of reasons a successful starter might fail as a bullpen guy. His physique might not be suited to pitching on back-to-back days, so he might lose velocity on the second day. He might lose the feel for his breaking pitches if he gets sporadic work. The lack of a structured throwing regimen might cause his mechanics to get out of whack (see: many of the rookie starters from last year who did not continue their programs with the big club).

  80. Guy Incognito December 18th, 2007 at 2:29 pm

    I actually didn’t have a backpack at all. I’m 27. In middle school few people carried around a backpack, and if you wore it on both shoulders you were terminally uncool. Most people carried their books loose under their arm, or with both arms for the girls. This got a little ridiculous when you needed to carry a lot of books, but what price coolness?

    In high school, everyone realised that this model wasn’t going to work anymore, but instead of buying a backpack (EVERYONE had a Jansport or LL Bean with the initials on it), I carried one of my uncle’s old bike messenger bags from Manhattan Portage–that was seriously old-school at the time but I didn’t know it. That bag lasted years–it was at least three years old when I started using it in 1993 and expired my senior year in college which was 2001.

  81. mel December 18th, 2007 at 2:29 pm

    And how were you going to conveniently drop your books so that the stud jock could pick them up for you, if they’re stashed in a backpack?

  82. Bob December 18th, 2007 at 2:32 pm

    I had never seen the rolling backpacks until a month or so ago. I was at my sister’s house one day when the kids got home from school and they came into the house wheeling those things behind them. I was hysterical.

    The even funnier thing was, my sister asked them if they had any homework and both said no. What the heck do they need the luggage for then?

  83. whozat December 18th, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    “Angels well their the Angels(never likes giving up their young players).”

    They also have six starters already. I don’t think that they’d give up the youngest and cheapest for the right to pay Santana a gajillion dollars. And then they’d still need to make another move to create a rotation slot.

  84. Grant December 18th, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    Don’t feel bad Pete, I had pockets.

    I really believe that some one came to Mitchell and gave him a bunch of info, that he couldn’t go on record with but that nailed a lot of people. I believe this is why he was comfortable using a “different burden of proof”. all he had on Roberts was hear say, but Roberts didn’t even fight it. Some one had a Donald Sutherland in the movie JFK with Mitchell.

  85. mel December 18th, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    O.K. so looking at espn’s picks for NFL awards. They have Bill Belichick. I think that spygate was not a big deal, but I find it hard to believe that he’d get an COY award.

    And I have a hard time stomaching Alfred Hainsworth getting any kind of award. Wasn’t he the guy who stomped on someone’s face?

    Also, anyone else here think that Tony Romo falls apart when playing in front of his girl (Underwood AND Jessica Simpson)? It’s almost juvenile.

  86. SJ44 December 18th, 2007 at 2:40 pm

    Payroll has zero to do with ticket price increases. Its all about supply and demand.

    They are selling over 4 million tickets a year at these prices. If people weren’t buying them, they wouldn’t keep raising ticket prices.

    The bottom line is, payroll doesn’t move ticket prices. It never has and it never will.

  87. mel December 18th, 2007 at 2:42 pm

    SJ44,

    You’re such a killjoy, lol. But while you’re at it, can you explain to people that revenue sharing and luxury tax are two different things?

  88. SJ44 December 18th, 2007 at 2:45 pm

    Mel,

    You are asking me to do the impossible this holiday season! lol

  89. DVB December 18th, 2007 at 2:45 pm

    you are NOT old….Have a Merry Christmas to all of you…

  90. Say it ain't so December 18th, 2007 at 2:45 pm

    In regards to the Yanks-Dodgers WS comments and how it would be difficult for DJ, Andy, Jorge, Mo, etc.. if you’re competitive, you’d be surprised how much more adrenalin is pumping through you when you play against friends, family, and even your idol’s. You want so badly to show them what you can do and you can really crank it up a notch.

  91. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 18th, 2007 at 2:48 pm

    SJ: But holidays are meant for the impossible…aren’t they?

  92. SJ44 December 18th, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    Good point, Rebecca. lol

  93. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    One think iv noticed that has changed during time is lunch pails. Im 33 and when i was in school they were aluminum(hard),now they are plastic/vinyl,with a matching thermus inside them. I just noticed it last year when my son was shopping for a new one.Call me old school,but i still like the old ones better.

  94. mel December 18th, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    Yes, Rebecca, that would truly be a Miracle on East 161st Street.

  95. Tex Antoine December 18th, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    You say “adding Torre” as if that helps the Dodgers somehow.

  96. mel December 18th, 2007 at 2:53 pm

    S.o.S.

    Now the lunchbags are insulated collapsible “boxes” with straps. Like little coolers.

  97. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 2:55 pm

    You say “adding Torre” as if that helps the Dodgers somehow.

    Now that they have Torre and knowing how he prefers his veterans over his young players. Maybe we can pull of a trade for one of their young major league studs.

  98. Clare December 18th, 2007 at 2:55 pm

    Grant,

    That’s an interesting theory. Maybe he was given access to the supposedly confidential “survey” testing?

    SJ,

    Any insight on whether ARod’s new agent signing means Boras is out completely?

  99. Blargh December 18th, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    SJ44: Can you tell us where the hell luxury tax money ends up at? xP

  100. rb15 December 18th, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    SoS, when I was in maybe second grade I think they stopped selling metal lunchboxes (c. 1987 or so) and moved to plastic. Kids were hitting each other with them, and apparently some of them developed sharp dangerous edges.

    Does anyone in my age bracket remember the slap bracelets? They also got banned because the finish came off and exposed a sharp metal edge, also. But man, were those a craze back in the late 1980s.

  101. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    Now the lunchbags are insulated collapsible “boxes” with straps. Like little coolers.

    Yes.Exactly. What happened to taking your lunch in a brown bag? Or buying lunch from school,as i did.

  102. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    Now the lunchbags are insulated collapsible “boxes” with straps. Like little coolers.

    Yes.Exactly. What happened to taking your lunch in a brown bag? Or buying lunch from school like I did.

  103. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 18th, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    rb15

    Yep I remember slap bracelets. I also had the metal lunch boxes with the thremous. Than it became “cool” to carry your lunch in a brown bag.

  104. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 3:01 pm

    My bad.

  105. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 18th, 2007 at 3:01 pm

    I remember slap bracelets a little bit, but the thing I really remember are Pogs.

    Pogs were IT when I was in third grade. EVERYONE collected them, EVERYONE.

  106. Bob December 18th, 2007 at 3:01 pm

    Lunch boxes?

    That was a brown paper bag for me.

  107. Skippy December 18th, 2007 at 3:01 pm

    Just to clarify the A-Rod thing, a manager isn’t the same as an agent. A lot of actors have both managers and agents.
    Here’s the story from Variety.
    http://www.variety.com/article.....&cs=1

    And I write textbooks, so sorry if I’ve contributed to many cases of backpack-induced scoliosis. Oh forget it, I’m not that sorry.

  108. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 18th, 2007 at 3:04 pm

    Skippy: Which ones? Maybe I’ve read it :-P

    When I did have lunch boxes, our school had us all buy reusable ones.

  109. SJ44 December 18th, 2007 at 3:05 pm

    Boras will still collect his commission on Arod’s deal. Unless, of course, Arod challenges it and I think that’s unlikely.

    Technically, Boras is still his agent for baseball matters. However, since Arod is not signing another contract, its kind of a shallow title. Except for the commission, of course. lol

    Everything else will go through Guy’s office. At least that’s what is being said around business circles.

  110. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 3:05 pm

    And while were at it. What happened to #2 pensils that need to be sharpened? Now they take the ones that you press and more lead comes out. They always seem to break on me.

    Bring back the old. If I had to walk bare footed in snow(in So.Cal)barefooted then why shouldnt they?

  111. saucy December 18th, 2007 at 3:06 pm

    i remember slap bracelets being banned. along with those little jars of bubble soap girls would wear around their necks.

  112. mel December 18th, 2007 at 3:06 pm

    Skippy,

    Can you guys move towards the CD-rom textbooks? My son’s physics CD-text had two options for each chapter. You could choose traditional “textbook” or an interactive lesson. Trés cool!

  113. Say it ain't so December 18th, 2007 at 3:07 pm

    Haha, Rebecca I’m right there with you. Pogs and Slammers, and I still can’t believe how much money I wasted on little cardboard circles with pictures on them!

  114. Guy Incognito December 18th, 2007 at 3:07 pm

    Heck YES I remember slap bracelets. Rebecca, you must be a few years younger than I, as Pogs were more popular with my brother, who’s 23 now.

    Slap bracelets, Vision Street Wear, Swatches, tons of neon, Cavariccis, Cross Colours, Hypercolour t-shirts (everyone running around blowing on each other, how would that go over today??). I was more of the “flannel shirt and Doc Marten” crowd though, once I got to high school.

    And I had an Alf metal lunchbox with matching thermos. Melmac FTW!

  115. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 3:08 pm

    Everything else will go through Guy’s office. At least that’s what is being said around business circles.

    What will the job of his Manager/wife then be? That is who helped him negotiate his deal right?

  116. mel December 18th, 2007 at 3:09 pm

    Anybody remember mood rings? lol.

    I vaguely remember pet rocks.

  117. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 18th, 2007 at 3:09 pm

    Say it Ain’t So: Oh yeah, you know it!

    Guy Incognito: Yeah, I’m 21 (22 in April)

    man, I remember those days so well…all those *in* toys and whatnot…when Gameboy was first invented and it was this HUGE thing…

  118. saucy December 18th, 2007 at 3:10 pm

    skidz

  119. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 3:10 pm

    All my money went to Garbage Pail Kids. Second addition. First addition was too expensive.

  120. Say it ain't so December 18th, 2007 at 3:10 pm

    How about Beanie Babies? Many a war was started in my school over stolen Beanie Babies.

  121. Clare December 18th, 2007 at 3:11 pm

    SJ,

    Do you know how Guy got ARod as a client? Variety implied ARod was the first MLBer to sign a Hollywood agent.

  122. mel December 18th, 2007 at 3:11 pm

    Bermudas and docksiders. What were we thinking?
    I still like the preppy look though. My daughter puts up huge resistance when I suggest it while shopping, though.

  123. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 3:12 pm

    Guy-You forgot Bugle Boy pants that you rolled up on the bottoms or parachute pants.

  124. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 18th, 2007 at 3:12 pm

    Guy Incognito

    Are you 28-29!! I remember all those things!! For the ladies do you remember the plastic chains with the charms on them! My cousins and I would go to the flea market and buy tons of them!!

  125. Clare December 18th, 2007 at 3:12 pm

    mel,

    I think I’m in your age-bracket. Most of the things mentioned today I’ve never heard of. But I do remember pet rocks.

  126. saucy December 18th, 2007 at 3:13 pm

    All my money went to Garbage Pail Kids. Second addition. First addition was too expensive.

    YES. i think the few first edition ones i had were due to trading like 8 from the 2nd edition… i still have a few somewhere…

  127. Guy Incognito December 18th, 2007 at 3:13 pm

    rebecca–yes, my dad would steal my Game Boy all the time and play Tetris during dinner.

    I also have a vague memory of wearing overalls with the front panel hanging down, so cool at the time…but so heinous now.

  128. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 18th, 2007 at 3:13 pm

    S.o.S.27

    I hated those! My brother always shoved them in my face!

  129. rb15 December 18th, 2007 at 3:15 pm

    jennifer, i remember that charm craze. also, umbros. guy, i definitely remember hypercolor – crazy. what were we thinking? also, samba sneakers.

  130. mel December 18th, 2007 at 3:15 pm

    Clare,

    I think that Pete needs to put up a demographic poll.

    There are a surprising number of “girls” here.

    Seems to be a lot of 20-40 yr. olds.

    But alas, I’m moving into another age bracket very soon. But it’s not a big deal. I can deal with it…

  131. SJ44 December 18th, 2007 at 3:16 pm

    The manager’s job will be to seek off the field opportunities for Arod. Endorsements, entertainment opportunities, etc.

    I believe he still has a deal with Steiner Sports as his exclusive memorbilia dealer. So, presumbably, the new manager/agent won’t need to find a new memorabilia dealer for him.

    I haven’t been in town much the last week so, everything I heard has been second hand info. Last I heard, Arod sought advice from a few people and was given a few names and he interviewed a couple of people for the job. Evidently, Guy was the winner.

    Athletes in other sports have signed with entertainment agents in the past. Most notably, individual athletes such as Pete Sampras and Serena Williams. I don’t remember a MLB player signing with an entertainment agency in the past. It wouldn’t surprise me if Arod is indeed the first baseball player to do so.

  132. rb15 December 18th, 2007 at 3:16 pm

    garbage pail kids, yes, definitely.

    and then all of a sudden, the east coast found out about nirvana, and all my neon turned into flannel and my sneakers turned into docs.

  133. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 3:16 pm

    saucy or Jennifer,

    My 9 year old boy collected Pokeman and i was telling him that we had something better. Can you guys remember some of the names of those card. I just remember ADAM BOMB,OOZIE SUZIE.

  134. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 18th, 2007 at 3:16 pm

    rb15

    I only wonder what the heck was in theose hyper color shirts to make them change color!

  135. J-Dawg December 18th, 2007 at 3:17 pm

    I stopped carrying a backpack in 8th Grade. I remember my mother always made me wear a dorky one that had my name on it in Kindergarten through 2nd Grade! And it’s nice that things have calmed down on the Santana front.

    P.S. To Rebecca and all of the Jets fans, my Titans will stomp ‘em on Sunday! Nothing personal at all, but we HAVE to win!! :P

  136. Bob December 18th, 2007 at 3:17 pm

    Guy-You forgot Bugle Boy pants that you rolled up on the bottoms or parachute pants.

    LOL

    Those were cool!

  137. mel December 18th, 2007 at 3:17 pm

    Guy,

    That is so sad. There weren’t any Gameboys when I was growing up. But we had, get this, arcades! PacMan, Centipede, and Galaga. Many a quarters were wasted.

  138. Clare December 18th, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    Mel,

    Hey, getting older sure as hell beats the alternative. :)

  139. Guy Incognito December 18th, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    SOS- In my school we called parachute pants “cavariccis” even though most weren’t the “real thing”–like calling all tissues Kleenex. YMMV :) Also in the “pants fad” arena…I rocked a few pairs of Jams in my day. Not quite shorts, not quite pants…JAMS!

    Jennifer, I’m 27 but I was a year younger than everyone in school. (Thanks, Canadian education!) Yeah, charm bracelets were actually banned in my school, I think. People were stealing them…and a few years later they banned Magic:The Gathering for the same reason.

  140. mel December 18th, 2007 at 3:20 pm

    Guy,

    Do you remember those “Jams” hats? They were like painter caps with a rectangular flap that covered the back of your neck?

    Guess jeans were big in my time.

  141. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 3:21 pm

    mel,

    Didnt you have ATARI? Donkey Kong,Joust,Mega Mania,Galaga,pitfall etc. You always got a free game that was crappy.

  142. Guy Incognito December 18th, 2007 at 3:22 pm

    Mel, I also spent tons of quarters and hours at the arcade…my dad had my Game Boy, remember :) There was a Pac-Man and Galaga but most of us were playing Mortal Kombat (the original), Streetfighter II, and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

    This arcade was in a decreipt bowling alley that everyone later found out was one of the biggest underground cocaine market on the Eastern Seaboard…good times.

  143. mel December 18th, 2007 at 3:23 pm

    sos,

    It was around, but I didn’t have it. Too busy skateboarding. lol.

  144. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 3:23 pm

    Guy. Yes, I now know what your talking about. I had multi colored Jams to go with a multi colored shirt that never matched. Keep in mind i was still one of the cool kids at school. No. really.

  145. Clare December 18th, 2007 at 3:23 pm

    Thanks a lot SJ.

    I haven’t seen many ARod ads in recent years – (just the Nike billboard, and I think a Pepsi one a while back – plus the degree one mentioned earlier). I bet he doesn’t do a whole lot of ads until he wins his first WS. After that, I think he’ll be everywhere.

  146. saucy December 18th, 2007 at 3:24 pm

    SOS,

    http://www.gpkworld.com/US_2nd_Art.htm

  147. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 18th, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    J-Dawg: Okay by me. We held our own against the Pats, and now we’re just playing for the draft pick!

  148. pat December 18th, 2007 at 3:27 pm

    Progress is amazing.

    I had to explain to a 7 year old the other day what a pay phone was and only then noticed there aren’t that many of them around anymore.

  149. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 18th, 2007 at 3:28 pm

    I always wanted a pair of cavariccis. Everyone who was “cool” wore them. My mother wouldn’t buy me a pair because they were too expensive. Meanwhile I had a cousin who had a few pairs. I look back and think how ugly they were. :lol:

  150. SJ44 December 18th, 2007 at 3:29 pm

    Clare,

    Madison Avenue is staying away from just about every baseball on the planet at this time.

    With the exception of the launch of Jeter’s cologne, and a few isolated ads (Clemens cellphone ad for example), companies are just too uneasy about saddling up with baseball players, given the current controversies.

    I think Madison Avenue will stay take a wait and see view on Arod and just about every baseball player until they are convinced the player they sign to an endorsement deal doesn’t have a past with PED’s.

  151. J-Dawg December 18th, 2007 at 3:29 pm

    Rebecca- One more loss and Tennessee is out. :(

  152. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 3:29 pm

    saucy,

    lol. Radd!! I mean really cool. Thanks alot. Im going to show it to my boy and maybe try to find some for him to show his freinds.

  153. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 3:32 pm

    PAT-Progress is amazing.

    I had to explain to a 7 year old the other day what a pay phone was and only then noticed there aren’t that many of them around anymore.

    I had to explain to mine what a cassette was. Had to dig into some boxes to find some.

  154. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 18th, 2007 at 3:32 pm

    Pat:

    I remember having to use pay phones to contact my parents before cell phones…it was so nice when I got my first cell phone, big monstrous thing that it was…

    I’m now in the process of trying to convince my dad to get me a new phone, but his argument is that I can’t get a new phone unless mine breaks…but my phone is at least two-three years obsolete–I don’t even have internet on it!

  155. mel December 18th, 2007 at 3:34 pm

    Rebecca,

    That’s absolute child abuse. What college student does not have phone with internet? How are you going to blog during the Hot Stove season?

  156. J-Dawg December 18th, 2007 at 3:36 pm

    My mother taught Headstart children a couple of years ago. They had a record player and she brought some old records to show to the kids and they had no idea what they were. The kids said, “look at those big CDs!” That reminds me of another generation gap, does anyone remember using BETA instead of VHS and DVDs? My parents always talk about BETA.

  157. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 18th, 2007 at 3:37 pm

    mel: Hah, I doubt my parents see my phone (which, for its faults, is free) as child abuse!

    Anyway, laptop’s excellent for blogging. I just can’t blog anything while I’m in class (most of my classes are small enough that taking my laptop to them would attract considerable notice), so I’m usually “late” on the best stories.

    It’s why I always ask ‘what’d I miss?’

  158. Motown Yankees Fan December 18th, 2007 at 3:39 pm

    Pete – your niece sounds just like my daughters, right down to Hannah Montana and Webkinz. Too funny.

    And I had a “book bag” when I was her age, sort of like a duffle for my spelling workbooks, etc. I think the idea of back packs on wheels is a good one because it saves all the wear and tear on the back.

  159. rb15 December 18th, 2007 at 3:39 pm

    Rebecca, my phone contract is up in April, and I’m excited. (I have an old clunky non-internet one like yours now). If the service was any good in Boston, I’d even go for an IPhone, but At&T is horrible here. Verizon has the only good coverage, so I might just get a Blackberry.

    What I’m drooling over for Christmas, though, is one of those Ipod touches. I should have told my fiance that a little more explicitly, though, as judging by the shopping bags in the trash I’m getting something from Banana.

  160. SAndMan December 18th, 2007 at 3:40 pm

    Al is quiet on the SAntana front for the Boston Globe because Santana coming to the Yankees.

  161. gayle December 18th, 2007 at 3:40 pm

    FYI Derek Jeter’s agent Casey Close is with CAA which is probably the largest entertainment agency in the world an I know of a few major athletes ie Dwayne Wade that are with William Morris another entertainment focused agency. MOre and more athletes are seeing that entertainment agencies provide broader opportunities then the standard sports only agencies. IN fact agencies like CAA re doing more than movie and music deals these days much of their business is endorsement, marketing etc. CAA is hte company that is dealing with corporate sponsorships/opportunities for the new stadium

  162. mel December 18th, 2007 at 3:41 pm

    rb,

    You should definitely ask around about the Ipod touches. I’ve heard that the phones are fine, but the touches can be glitchy.

  163. Clare December 18th, 2007 at 3:42 pm

    SJ,

    Interesting point. Is that just baseball players, or all athletes that make Madison Ave nervous?

    I realize the media cares a lot more if baseball players “cheat”. I suspect with other sports advertisers are more concerned with other off-field problems.

  164. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 18th, 2007 at 3:42 pm

    rb: My older brother got an iphone when it first came out, I think it was his manager got him one or something, and I was really jealous and all, but right now I’ll settle for a phone with internet and whatchamacallit, and no, I don’t need anything fancy like a blackberry…

    It’s so annoying though. Everyone in my family has a fancier phone than I do!

  165. gayle December 18th, 2007 at 3:43 pm

    on the backpack discussion we had “bookbags”

    FYI I have now tried numerous times to get online for the Holiday Packs and each time have been in the never ending searching mode. I guess if you have hours to sit in front of your computer and wait it might be worth it. I had too many things to do today to deal with it.

  166. Guy Incognito December 18th, 2007 at 3:43 pm

    J DAWG yeah we had the old Betamax player until it gave out and we bought a VHS player–I remember it was 1986 and my dad recorded Game Six on the new VHS.

    I don’t remember the difference between Beta and VHS, other than that the Betamax player was a freakin’ behemoth and had about sixty different buttons I was absolutely forbidden to touch. Come on, what five year old kid faced with a big machine with all those buttons isn’t going to touch them ALL at some point?

    RB15–I have to decide between a Mac mini to replace my wheezy 4-year old Dell or an iPod touch to replace my 2nd gen Shuffle. Any recommendations?

  167. rb15 December 18th, 2007 at 3:43 pm

    ooh, thanks mel. I’ll ask around. I figure that if the Touch is any good, I can just save a few hundred dollars, get that, and then deal with whatever junky phone is free from Verizon with my next contract.

    I knew that sounded too easy… :)

  168. Abe's Odd World December 18th, 2007 at 3:43 pm

    Clemens: “I did not take steroids.”

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7580456

  169. GreenBeret7 December 18th, 2007 at 3:44 pm

    mel
    December 18th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
    And how were you going to conveniently drop your books so that the stud jock could pick them up for you, if they’re stashed in a backpack?

    __________________________________________________
    Mel, what makes you this us stud jocks even knew what a book was? How would we know that it was just a female trick?
    Everybody knows that you can’t think without a ball in one hand and cleats on your feet. It’s a scientific fact. And women are supposed to be smart. hrrruupmfff.

  170. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 3:45 pm

    Sandman-Al is quiet on the SAntana front for the Boston Globe because Santana coming to the Yankees.

    Where are you getting this info from? Or is it just your gut feeling?

  171. Clare December 18th, 2007 at 3:46 pm

    Gayle,

    I got through a couple of time (after trying all day), but there weren’t any good tickets left for the packs I wanted. And by good I mean I was looking for Tier Reserved MVP – I think sitting behind homeplate in the upperdeck is the best place to be in the stadium (besides the $400 tickets, of course).

  172. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 18th, 2007 at 3:48 pm

    How many of us honestly think Clemens is clean?

    Really, now?

  173. rb15 December 18th, 2007 at 3:48 pm

    Oh my gosh, Guy, I would switch out the PC for a Mac. I had a Dell Inspiron laptop in law school because the exam-taking software we used was only PC-compatible. I’m usually a Mac person (not a Mac expert, but a laywoman who likes Macs better than PCs). I bought the Inspiron a week before law school, and three years later when I was about to graduate, it was ready to die on me. And, the customer service was horrible the entire time. I used it all day, every day, but still – I was really unmipressed by its durability in the end.

  174. mel December 18th, 2007 at 3:48 pm

    GB7,

    You’re right. Chivalry is supposed to be in the DNA, but IQ is powerful enough to override it sometimes. lol.

    Don’t laugh guys, but I’m ashamed to say that my parents had, gasp, 8-track tapes.

  175. saucy December 18th, 2007 at 3:50 pm

    i remember a friend of mine’s dad (manager of a Crazy Eddie’s) had both VHS and Beta.

    They would “backup” any video they rented onto a Beta tape and eventually had several bookcases full of them.

  176. SJ44 December 18th, 2007 at 3:52 pm

    CAA is a little different because they created a sports division from an offshoot of the old IMG.

    Two former IMG agents, Tom Condon (football), and Casey Close (baseball) had clauses in their contracts that stated if IMG was sold (which it was), they can leave and take their clients with them.

    Peter Johnson, who was formerly #3 in command at IMG, took over a newly created sports division at CAA, and Condon and Close following him to CAA.

    So, technically, while CAA is a large entertaiment agency, they created a seperate sports agency when Johnson arrived on the scene.

    Dwayne Wade did sign with WMA, but only for off the court opportunities. Henry Thomas remains his basketball agent.

  177. RangerRob December 18th, 2007 at 3:55 pm

    if Clemens is clean then I have a foot long….well you get the idea

  178. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 18th, 2007 at 3:55 pm

    I made the switch from PC to Mac in May 2006.

    My previous PC laptops had not lasted more than a year; my mac laptop has lasted one year and seven months.

  179. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 18th, 2007 at 3:56 pm

    Rangerrob: And what sort of clown hair to go along with it? ;)

  180. Clare December 18th, 2007 at 3:57 pm

    Rebecca,

    I don’t know about Clemens. Here’s his statement:

    “I want to state clearly and without qualification: I did not take steroids, human growth hormone or any other banned substances at any time in my baseball career or, in fact, my entire life,” Clemens said Tuesday in a statement issued through his agent, Randy Hendricks. “Those substances represent a dangerous and destructive shortcut that no athlete should ever take.

    “I am disappointed that my 25 years in public life have apparently not earned me the benefit of the doubt, but I understand that Senator Mitchell’s report has raised many serious questions. I plan to publicly answer all of those questions at the appropriate time in the appropriate way. I only ask that in the meantime people not rush to judgment.”

    That’s pretty definitive. If he did take them, then maybe he thinks he can just brazen it out – his word against the sleazy McNamee’s. He must be pretty confident that there’s no supporting evidence in that case.

    Maybe I’m naive, but I certainly WANT to believe him.

  181. String Beanfellow December 18th, 2007 at 3:58 pm

    Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Save the Three Musketeers!
    December 18th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
    How many of us honestly think Clemens is clean?

    Really, now?

    Why not? While it does seem to point that Clemens is guilty because of the Mitchell Report and all that has come out since, Clemens has stated twice now that he is clean.

    Tell me this, Why is it impossible for him to have had a long career without PEDs? I knew a man in his eighties that moved refridgerators for a living. He would strap them on his back and carry them up stairs. I know plenty of people in the 60′s and 70′s who have through hiked the Appalacian Trail.

    The above is the second strongly stated words from Clemens regarding his denying his use of PEDs. Even Canseco said he didn’t think Clemens used, and Jose accuses everyone.

  182. saucy December 18th, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    i had an IBM Thinkpad last me almost 5 years. and i bought the thing 2nd hand. replaced it with a sony vaio and have no complaints so far. macs confuse me.

  183. Guy Incognito December 18th, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    rb15–my Dell is a workhorse and I have (knock wood) never had a problem, but I think I am going to bite the bullet and forgo the iPod Touch for a Mac mini…I really only wanted the Touch for the wi-fi anyway.

    Any of you Mac gurus think I should get an external HD for data storage, or is the mini fast enough to handle programs plus data plus OS?

  184. mel December 18th, 2007 at 4:01 pm

    Never tried Mac.

    Stay away from VAIO they’re vile.

  185. String Beanfellow December 18th, 2007 at 4:02 pm

    Clare, to me, the only way Clemens can be sure that there is no evidence is if he is telling the truth.

    He may be just doing a big protest with the idea that there is nothing to lose, or maybe he is telling the truth.

    One thing is certain, people who are lied about will get pretty steamed up. Rocket is steamed. The two statements show that.

    I bet the next we hear will be about a law suit.

  186. whozat December 18th, 2007 at 4:03 pm

    “does anyone remember using BETA instead of VHS and DVDs? My parents always talk about BETA.”

    What about laserdiscs? Who remembers those?

    “Where are you getting this info from? Or is it just your gut feeling?”

    There is no info, or gut feeling. Sandman always posts whining Santana and how he’s the only thing that matters, that the Yankees should give up anything, pay anything to get him. Yesterday he said he hoped that Andy retires from the shame to free up money and create a hole in the rotation, so Hank will force Cash to deal Hughes and Kennedy for Johan.

  187. String Beanfellow December 18th, 2007 at 4:05 pm

    What? No loving for 8 tracks?

  188. SAndMan December 18th, 2007 at 4:07 pm

    If Andy Pettitte were to lie Clemens maybe people would have believed him.But Clemens and Pettitte joined at the hip with the same trainer who is being convicted and Pettitte did admit taking HGH and who else would have given them the HGH but their trainer.

    THe amount of evidence is a lot on Clemens but with his best bud who also uses the same regiment as he does c’mon.

    It’s sad that alot of other non-New York team players are getting away with murder.Like Ortiz and maybe Posada who I had doubts of a .277 hitter hitting over .330 the last two years at the age of 35.

  189. String Beanfellow December 18th, 2007 at 4:07 pm

    Beta was a better system than VHS, but the marketing decided the matter and Beta went Bye Bye.

    RangerBob, so sorry to hear about your “shortcomings then”.

  190. Bob December 18th, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    He has to know that if he comes out with these strong denials and then definitive proof he did use comes out later, he’ll be tarnished beyond repair, right?

    Or is he just taking the deny deny deny approach and keeping his fingers crossed?

  191. whozat December 18th, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    “Any of you Mac gurus think I should get an external HD for data storage, or is the mini fast enough to handle programs plus data plus OS?”

    What are you planning to do with it? For normal applications, the HDD should be plenty fast. Personally, I keep my media on an external drive just because I have a lot of TV shows recorded and that’d fill up my laptop drive pretty quickly.

  192. GreenBeret7 December 18th, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    mel
    December 18th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
    GB7,

    You’re right. Chivalry is supposed to be in the DNA, but IQ is powerful enough to override it sometimes. lol.

    Don’t laugh guys, but I’m ashamed to say that my parents had, gasp, 8-track tapes.

    ___________________________________________________
    According to my ex-wife, somebody drained the gene pool before I got there. She had such a great way of turning a phrase.

    I still listen to vinyl records and ’78s. But, then, some are worth 5-600 dollars each.

  193. mel December 18th, 2007 at 4:09 pm

    185 posts on this thread. We’ve talked about lunchboxes, fads, backpacks, sports agents, and computers. Nary a post about A-rod. Guess it’s not all about A-rod. :)

  194. mommy December 18th, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    Get with the program Uncle Pete! They need a place to carry their cell phones, Nintendo DS and IPods! And I guess 7 yr olds are the same everywhere…mine loves Hannah Montana too! My kids have had backpacks since Pre-school! (of course back then it was for a change of clothes in case of accidents!)
    Thanks for a great year Pete! Happy Holidays to you and yours!

  195. gayle December 18th, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    Ok finally got the Holiday Pack #7 which includes OPening Day and Old Timers Day (which is NOT included in my regular Saturday package) Went for Bleacher seats figured might as well experience the bleachers before the end of the stadium. Not a drinker so that doesnt bother me and last year I sat a few games way up lat row of the stadium above i think I will enjoy the bleachers more than the climb to the top of the stadium. My regular seats are left field field level so I am ready for the season to start.

  196. String Beanfellow December 18th, 2007 at 4:12 pm

    I still have tons of the old vinyl records. 8 Tracks weren’t a bad way to go for that time period, in some ways better than cassettes that you had to fast forward through the hold tape to get to the song you wanted, with 8 tracks you could go to the grouping, then FF to the song. A lot faster.

  197. whozat December 18th, 2007 at 4:13 pm

    “maybe Posada who I had doubts of a .277 hitter hitting over .330 the last two years at the age of 35.”

    It was fair amount of luck. He had an astronomical average on balls put in play. His isolated power numbers were in line with his norms.

  198. Doreen December 18th, 2007 at 4:14 pm

    Jeter’s got Movado watches, too. A huge billboard on the NJ turnpike not far from my exit. One day I hope to own a Movado – maybe when I “retire” from my job (SAHM). Ha! but it’s true, you don’t see all that many athletes aside from Tiger Woods advertising too much via billboards. I guess it’s easier to pull a commercial off the air than to unpaint a building in Times Square. Remember the Dwight Gooden ad?

    When I went to the lower grades, the metal lunch boxes were in, but in the upper grades, you wouldn’t be caught dead with one. High School? Well, since carried your books, the lunch was either squished in your oversized shoulderbag or you bought lunch. Actually, anyone who was anyone bought lunch almost every day. Whether you ate it or not was another story altogether!

    And when I was in high school, the big thing for girls was wearing construction shoes/boots and levi’s. A lot of kids would shop at the Army/Navy Surplus store and khakis were really big, too. But nothing beat wearing your boyfriend’s team jacket. And ankle bracelets worn with a second chain around your neck – it was a serious steady relationship if you got one of those – very status for a lot of girls.

    My brothers, who were a couple of years younger than I, had a hand-held football game. They were fun and I guess a precursor to Gameboy. Atari was big while I was in college – Space Invaders (which generated into Galaga, maybe?), Donkey Kong and Pac-Man and Lady Pac-Man. Also, disco. But I wasn’t a disco girl. Used to laugh at the ones who were.

  199. the todd December 18th, 2007 at 4:14 pm

    Guy Incognito –

    two things, one, they are replacing the mac mini with the mac nano
    http://www.xyhd.tv/2007/10/ind.....-mac-mini/

    when ? i have no idea, but its something to consider.

    two, external HD are so cheap you might as well buy one.

  200. saucy December 18th, 2007 at 4:14 pm

    i remember having a toy robot that played 8 track tapes and asked trivia questions (2XL)

  201. Skippy December 18th, 2007 at 4:15 pm

    Re: textbooks

    Rebecca, if you have any relatives who’ve been K-12 in the 2000s, they may well have suffered through a book I worked on. I apologize for any annoying activities their parents had to help with. I just write the books, I don’t design them. I also have written plenty state tests, so if any kids have panicked due to those, I apologize again. But the adults are the ones who create the stress around them, not me (here’s a tip: we don’t write trick questions).

    Mel, lots of programs come with optional interactive components, but it’s more often a link to a website from the publisher. CDs are cheap to manufacture, but they just require another piece of equipment that may or may not be available. We generally are instructed to write the material with financially challenged students and classrooms in mind, i.e., don’t create an activity that has to be done on a computer or if you do, offer an alternative. Be careful about craft activities that require lots of materials. Sometimes we can’t even assume that a classroom has a dictionary. And the sad part is that I’ve met teachers from schools where they have those kinds of problems.

  202. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 18th, 2007 at 4:15 pm

    Clare:

    Clemens took Cortisone, right?

    Isn’t cortisone a steriod? Albeit a legal one?

    I would love it if Clemens was clean and it would make me insanely happy, but unfortunatley, with the way the Mitchell Report came out, it’s more like Clemens will have to prove his innocence than someone else try to prove him guilty.

    I mean, I dunno, I’m all for long careers, but 45? You’re on something, at least, that’s my instinct.

    I would love it if Clemens can show he’s innocent, but maybe I’m a bit jaded.

    As wrong as it might sound, it’s not the use of steroids itself that bothers me–I mean, I don’t like it and they should be banned, but if an athlete knows what he or she is doing to his or her body and still does it, it’s their choice–what gets me is when they lie about it.

    Have the cojones to admit it if you cheat.

  203. Guy Incognito December 18th, 2007 at 4:15 pm

    whozat, thanks. That’s what I expected to hear…I’m not a gamer or anything, nor do I torrent or whatever but I heard that the mini could be pokey if too much stuff is on the hard drive. I suppose I could always add an external HD in after the fact.

    Mel: Alex Rodriguez is a possible cyborg. Discuss.

  204. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 18th, 2007 at 4:16 pm

    Skippy: That would be my brother and myself.

    I graduated high school in 04 and my brother in 07.

  205. Doreen December 18th, 2007 at 4:16 pm

    String Beanfellow –

    I just saw your post for 8 Trax. What a misbegotten product. Awful. Awful. Awful. and HUGE. :roll:

  206. whozat December 18th, 2007 at 4:17 pm

    “Personally, I keep my media on an external drive just because I have a lot of TV shows recorded and that’d fill up my laptop drive pretty quickly.”

    And I use the external for audio editing too, for data rate reasons, but that’s not “normal usage”

  207. jennifer- Hip Hip Jorge December 18th, 2007 at 4:17 pm

    You didn’t hear Alex just announced he had a metal Alf lunch box, wore cavareecies (sp) with a hypercolor shirt.

  208. migames December 18th, 2007 at 4:22 pm

    Whats not to say that Nolan Ryan did roids. Look at his 1991 season when he was 44 years old, pitched 172 innings and posted a 2.91 ERA

    Im sorry, everyone needs to fall under the same light now

  209. mel December 18th, 2007 at 4:22 pm

    Doreen,

    What’s SAHM? I wonder if I’m a little younger than you. We had the “Flashdance” look.

    I’ve tried to explain to my kids that Bill & Ted’s Excellent Adventure, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, and Valley Girl were revolutionary movies, but they look at me like I’m from another planet. They think that Sean Penn is some washed up actor, Keanu Reeves has only done the Matrix trilogy, and Nicolas Cage is that bald dude.

  210. rbizzler December 18th, 2007 at 4:22 pm

    Whoa, gotta admire Clemens for that type of statement, but I guess he is damned anyway so he might as well fight to the death. It will be interesting to see what he has to say in defense of the allegations (especially considering Andy has corroborated the trainer’s assertions about his use).

    Roger has got a lot to lose by being linked with PED’s including his legacy and a spot in the hall. If his defense comes off as transparent or contrived he will have effectively killed the slim chance he had at induction.

    Can’t wait to see how this pans out…

  211. Doreen December 18th, 2007 at 4:23 pm

    The thing about Roger Clemens, is whether or not he used the stuff, he did the work. Not saying he didn’t cheat or did cheat. Just that his workouts were for real. Now, whether he could have the stamina to do those workouts without help, maybe one day we’ll know for sure. And I know, it is still cutting corners; but no one can say the guy took PEDs to get out of working hard. (Unlike Lenny Dyskstra, say, who once said he took them so he didn’t have to work out during the season.)

    So, is cheating cheating or are there acceptable degrees of cheating, and what actually defines cheating? The answers should be simple, black and white; but they’re not necessarily.

  212. Say it ain't so December 18th, 2007 at 4:23 pm

    Saucy, you just gave me such a flashback with that, haha. I had that robot, too.

  213. whozat December 18th, 2007 at 4:24 pm

    “I’m not a gamer or anything, nor do I torrent or whatever but I heard that the mini could be pokey if too much stuff is on the hard drive. I suppose I could always add an external HD in after the fact.”

    The thing that most often boosts responsiveness in computers is RAM. Put an extra gig of RAM in whatever you get, and it’ll probably stay nice and snappy for a good long time.

  214. FYI December 18th, 2007 at 4:26 pm

    Yanks should roll the dice with Mark Prior, if the price is right. At one time, Prior was the best – even better than Johan.
    I rather see Prior than Kris Benson. It seems 9 teams watched Benson throw: Yankees, Mets, Astros, and Phillies, Cardinals, among them.
    The major problem with Benson is the access baggage he brings named Anna. Imagine putting Anna near A-Rod.. the body posing and the egos would clash lol

  215. ThatWasMe December 18th, 2007 at 4:26 pm

    migames
    Look at Nolan Ryan at age 42, 239 innings 301 strikeouts and a power pitcher to the end, 27 year career 3.19 era.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ryanno01.shtml

  216. Blargh December 18th, 2007 at 4:27 pm

    Lessee, I’m a 22 year old with an expired cell phone plan…and I just don’t care enough to sign up for another

    The lack of pay phones will eventually be the death of me in the future ;)

  217. migames December 18th, 2007 at 4:30 pm

    “Look at Nolan Ryan at age 42, 239 innings 301 strikeouts and a power pitcher to the end, 27 year career 3.19 era.”

    Yes, i know. What was he on? Advil? Come on

  218. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! December 18th, 2007 at 4:32 pm

    It really does kind of suck the way baseball is tainted as it is right now, where really no one playing after, say, 1986, can be given a completely clean slate. There are names we want to hallow and we just don’t know if we can.

    What frustrates me is that this is ONLY in baseball. In football it’s not a big deal. In basketball, it’s not a big deal. In the NHL, it’s “not a problem”.

    What makes baseball so different?

  219. ThatWasMe December 18th, 2007 at 4:36 pm

    Rebecca
    Without regular proper testing of steroids and HGH of every player, this is the age we live in. Every performance every record is suspect. Actually not fair to the “clean” players.

  220. mel December 18th, 2007 at 4:39 pm

    Rebecca,

    Absolutely correct!! The baseball purists make it a big deal. And what makes it worse, is that baseball isn’t even a contact sport. NFL guys are getting bigger and stronger and could cause serious bodily harm. Tell me that someone who stomps on the calf or the face of a player is not on ‘roids?

    I’m not saying doing steroids is right, but it only really matters in baseball. Golf is another game where honor is a big deal, but I don’t think people would get bent out of shape like with baseball. If Bonds didn’t sniff the HR record, people wouldn’t care what he did. It’s all about baseball records.

  221. Blargh December 18th, 2007 at 4:39 pm

    American Football: I think that deep down, we just care about the violence part of it. Besides, crime-related news show up more often than drug busts
    Basketball: Too busy with the refereeing and thug image to care about performance enhancing drugs
    Hockey: I’m sorry Hockey, I think highly of you as a sport, but I’ll admit that frankly, America as a whole still doesn’t really care about you

    Baseball suffers from being the ‘national pasttime’, thus having this mysterious aura of being the clean one of the major sports
    IMO, it’s all BS. Once money/fame entered the equation, you know players will always look for an edge, regardless of the sport.
    That, and there’s still that greenies/amphetamines, illegal without a prescription since 1970, thing…
    Or prohibition era, but then again, everybody broke the law during that ;)

  222. saucy December 18th, 2007 at 4:40 pm

    Say it ain’t so – my “memory bank” never fails!

  223. Yazman December 18th, 2007 at 4:42 pm

    SJ44: “Payroll has zero to do with ticket price increases. Its all about supply and demand.”

    I agree, but there IS an indirect impact. Higher payroll (usually) means better players and a better team. That drives demand.

    Bottom line: I prefer to have a better team :)

  224. pat December 18th, 2007 at 4:42 pm

    Will John Sterling have to change his Posada homerun call from “Georgie Juiced One”?

  225. GreenBeret7 December 18th, 2007 at 4:43 pm

    SAndMan, you mike want to look at some of Carlton Fisk’s numbers from age 35 through age 43. If you don’t think catchers can put up big numbers late in their careers, you may wish to rethink. Career high in homers and RBIs at age 37. a 70 point rise in batting average from age 38 to age 40. Bench had his only .300 average at age 33.

    It’s difficult to say anything about Clemens, but, what’s more likely to be believed…that Pettitte used HGH 2-4 times and Clemens didn’t or that Clemens had been using for years and Pettitte only a couple of times. The investigators wanted a name…they wanted THE NAME. Clemens is an easier name to sell. I’ll wait to see what happens. Right now, there’s only one person that’s selling a friend down the river to stay out of jail. Rodamski had no friends, only clients.

  226. migames December 18th, 2007 at 4:45 pm

    if the question of HGH is that its illegal without presciption, then its time to kick out all the players that took drugs and are in the hof, im looking at you paul molitor.

    if the question is players that are good despite of age, i want nolan ryan kicked out of the hall of fame and hank aaron’s record gone.

    if the question is players that recieved an advantage due to a drugs or abnormal events, anyone that has ever had tommy john surgery or taken a cortisone shot, then out.

  227. Blargh December 18th, 2007 at 4:47 pm

    And Gaylord Perry, for using an illegal pitch throughout his career!
    Don Sutton, for doctoring the ball, as well?

  228. YankeeInMichigan December 18th, 2007 at 4:48 pm

    “It’s amazing how many people used PEDs once or twice.”

    Why? They have readily available through clubhouse connections and, from a pro athlete’s perspective, relatively affordable. An athlete may tried it once and then think about whether he wants to make it part of his routine.

    Is it amazing how many people who have attended college in the past 30 years have used cocaine once or twice?

  229. rb15 December 18th, 2007 at 4:49 pm

    Rebecca, because baseball personifies the American dream. Deep down, we all have this image of a corn-fed farmboy of modest means from Iowa or Oklahoma figuring out in his formative years that he’s pretty gosh-darn good at hitting a baseball, and humbly working his way all the way to the show, where he finally gets the money, fame and place in the American conscience that we all learn to desire and work towards from an early age. Baseball is the best parts of American history taking place right in front of us – or, at least, we like to think it is. No other sport has that romantic element associated with it, and no other sport illustrates our national conscience more than baseball.

    I think this is mainly because baseball combines the team element and the individual element in a way that most sports dont. We read about how a team did, but then we focus in on a particular pitcher’s numbers or a particular batter’s stats. I think that mirrors the American ideal: we survive by working together, but we excel as individuals.

  230. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 5:03 pm

    Mel,
    Was Breakdance and beat streat revolutionary as well?

    Do they know who Al Pacino is?

    You forgot the Breakfast Club.

    Movies kids these days need to see from the 80′s
    E.T.
    STAR WARS
    RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK
    BREAKFAST CLUB
    KARATE KID

    Any others?

    Cartoons from the 80′s
    VOLTRON
    THUNDERCATS
    WHEELED WARRIORS
    TRANSFORMERS
    GO BOTS
    G-FORCE
    FOR GIRLS STRAWBERRY SHORTCAKE AND CARE BEARS

    Any more?

  231. S.o.S.27 December 18th, 2007 at 5:05 pm

    I bet if you ask Robin Ventura he’ll tell you Nolan was on steroids. How else could he explain being whooped on the mound like that.

  232. saucy December 18th, 2007 at 5:29 pm

    speaking of 80′s movies, i watched “Johnny be Good” on Yogi and a Movie recently. When Johnny visits UCC, the gym has a pharmacy in the front with neon lights advertising ‘steroids’ and ‘pain killers’….

  233. jerryd December 18th, 2007 at 5:43 pm

    What’s a webkinz?

  234. Jim Clark December 18th, 2007 at 7:15 pm

    “It all seems to work out for Joe Torre”. Yes, especially when you make sure you sign with a big market cash machine like the Dodgers and avoid the Reds and Pirates like the plague. St Joe is only clueless when it comes to running a bullpen.

  235. Peter Abraham December 18th, 2007 at 7:27 pm

    Jim Clark:

    Um, why was Torre obligated to apply for the jobs with the Pirates or Reds? Assuming you have a job, do you look for the worse places to work?

    The Torre hatred is so irrational sometimes. The guy managed the team as well as he could, won a bunch of titles and formed a charity to help domestic violence victims. Never once did he do anything to embarass the organization. Yet people just rip him for no reason.

  236. Chuck December 18th, 2007 at 7:55 pm

    Come on, Pete.

    Torre was a nice guy and his charitable efforts are admirable. But the fact is that his in-game managing skills were questionable in the later years. The Yankees made Torre the highest made manager in baseball history and, contrary to your belief, it was Torre who insulted the Yankees by walking away from a generous offer. The fact that you think he will be a significant improvement over Grady Little in a very tough and balanced division is mildly amusing.

  237. ryanloghry December 18th, 2007 at 8:02 pm

    For the first time in 22 years I have purchased an mlb cap that is not the Yankees. Proud owner of a Dodgers cap to be worn on non-Yankee game days. The last such aberation was a Mariners cap. Congrats to Joe. I’d love to see a Yanks-Dodgers series, Yankees in 4.

  238. Roger December 18th, 2007 at 8:36 pm

    BAHAHAHAHAHHA……..Your niece is so cute! doesn’t she? :p
    I think you really need to have a backpack, or your niece might edge you out. LOL.

  239. Erik December 19th, 2007 at 12:56 am

    “Movies kids these days need to see from the 80’s
    E.T.
    STAR WARS”

    The original Star Wars came out in ’77 — and I’m slightly more than a decade younger than that. Catch up! :P

    Also, Pete — I’ve owned a backpack since kindergarten; I’m in my sophomore year of college and haven’t carried one to class all semester — I just broke the one I’ve been using for the last seven years today, though, trying to bring stuff home from school. I believe I’m getting a new one for Christmas, though; they’re extraordinarily useful for trips elsewhere to see friends of mine and things like that.

    I’m also somewhat surprised to see you’re down on Roberts. I don’t think he’s a particularly big guy, nor remember him thickening out. He has had an upswing in power from that one season, but I also believe that coincides with the age most people associate with hitting one’s power streak.

  240. saucy December 19th, 2007 at 10:31 am

    80′s movie list? where can we start?

    weird science may be my personal pick though.

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