my best friend robbed a bank = I robbed a bank

Bin Laden = Saddam Hussein

I do hope my life is just this simple.

Clare December 24th, 2007 at 11:56 am

whoa,

I assume you’re kidding about the why do you hate america bit, but regardless, you missed the point of my post. I realize McNamee would go to jail if he lied, but only if they can prove he lied, hence what I was saying about the unprovable nature of his accusations.

And to answer your later post, yes there are many criminals in jail based on the word of other criminals, but in those cases the accused had a right to face the accuser, and cross-examine him under oath to expose his bias. None of those protections were afforded to Clemens in the Mitchell report, and Mitchell glossed over McNamee’s prior inconsistent statemens and omitted entirely the rest of his character flaws (the accusation of rape, for example).

All we have here is McNamee’s word against Clemens’, and you can decide who you want to believe, but I don’t think there’s any objective evidence to support that belief either way.

Here’s the difference between the he said, she said thing.

Unlike Clemens, McNamee’s “word” was obtained by under oath by investigators who are skilled at assessing the truth or falsity of confessions, which means that he was subjected to intense scrutiny, probing questions, as well as fact-checking, and as I said, if he is lying he is faced with the possibility of going to jail.

Clemens, in stark contrast, will not go under oath, he has not been subject to intense questioning by law enforcement personnel, nor will he go to jail if he is lying.

Instead he wants to be interviewed by a 90 year old Mike Wallace, whose own son, Fox News’ Chris Wallace, publicly said last year that his father had lost his intellectual edge and should retire.

As for the ability to confront one’s accuser, the MLBPA never offered to cooperate with an investigation if certain conditions, like that one, were met. Instead, all they have tried to do is obstruct any attempt to uncover the truth about the PED era. So they can’t, on the one hand, decry the process, then on the other hand, not do anything but impede the only fact finding process, and remain credible.

So it’s hardly Clemens’s word v. McNamee’s word in equipoise.

When you balance the costs and benefits, as well as the surrounding circumstances, McNamee appears to be much, much more credible, because he has been tested while facing great jeopardy.

And btw, If Clemens wants to confront McNamee and his character issues, all he has to do is bring him to court.

And if you know anything about steroids, the types of drugs and the injection patterns cited by this guy make little sense and would help Clemens very little if at all.

I assume you’re kidding about the why do you hate america bit, but regardless, you missed the point of my post. I realize McNamee would go to jail if he lied, but only if they can prove he lied, hence what I was saying about the unprovable nature of his accusations.

And to answer your later post, yes there are many criminals in jail based on the word of other criminals, but in those cases the accused had a right to face the accuser, and cross-examine him under oath to expose his bias. None of those protections were afforded to Clemens in the Mitchell report, and Mitchell glossed over McNamee’s prior inconsistent statemens and omitted entirely the rest of his character flaws (the accusation of rape, for example).

All we have here is McNamee’s word against Clemens’, and you can decide who you want to believe, but I don’t think there’s any objective evidence to support that belief either way.

Nud December 24th, 2007 at 10:26 am

Everyone who says that since Pettitte did HGH then OBVIOUSLY Roger did them is a complete fool. That is the worst reason in the world to accuse anyone of doing anything….”since one guy did it the other must have 2…a joke…Clemens is innocent in my eyes. Where is the proof? Where are the checks, receipts etc.?? I know most writers and Yankee fans don’t like Roger and love the fact that he is being brought down with this but it is sad that you guys are taking the word of a rape-artist turned rat over one of the good guys in the game who has had a tremendous career and has done good for the game of baseball.

Hope you all take a look in the mirror and realize you are taking the word of a crimninal who was forced to testify.

Show some guts!!

That’s a pretty comical post.

The reason that Pettitte matters in this case is that his admission lends credibility to McNamee, who was vetted by the most competent assessors of criminal conduct and truth telling in the country.

When you couple that proven credibility with the manifest fact that Pettitte became a workout disciple of Clemens, who he idolized since he was a kid, it doesn’t take much of a leap of logic to reach the very reasonable conclusion that since Pettitte was using Clemens’s trainer, who turned him on to HGH, it’s more likely than not that Clemens did the similar things, especially when you factor in the spike in his stats late in his career after a period when some thought he was done.

The idea that you can’t take the word of a criminal is ridiculous when you consider that a substantial portion of the people in jail right now were put there largely based on the testimony of criminals. That’s the America way of justice.

Why do you hate America?

Hope you all take a look in the mirror and realize you are taking the word of a crimninal who was forced to testify.

Show some guts!!